📚lore_discussion

[split night]

xd

[frozen turtle]

the enviorment is just the magic around them

im pretty sure

[split night]

it's just different sources of mana

[weary sigil]

us = focus/our own mana
manaweavers = mana from the weave

[slim belfry]

^

[split night]

you literally said that manaweaver don't use mana

[dim plover]

If manaweavers don't use mana then why are they called manaweavers lol

[slim belfry]

you dont always need a focus to use your own mana

[weary sigil]

they don't use their own mana

forgot to make that clarification

[split night]

here

oh thanks

actually hold on

[frozen turtle]

what if manaweavers arent real and two is just messing with us

[weary sigil]

i mean the Weave is def real

[slim belfry]

hmmmm

two lied about everything

she's the dern beast

[spring kernel]

Orphion is actually good guys, two lied

[weary sigil]

saphanis is the good guy in the story actually everyones lying

[split night]

this should be the clear-cut catergorization

example
we are a focus user and most soldier from wynn are
Theorick and the Twain familly are Nonfocus users
while Sui is a natural born manaweaver

sorry for my bad hand writing, i write this with my mouse

[weary sigil]

focus user needs focus to draw their own mana
nonfocus does not not need a focus to draw their own mana
manaweaver does not draw their own mana, they use the weave

[split night]

we could have three category of magic users

[slim belfry]

tasim is also non-focus

[split night]

i solve magic user debate

[weary sigil]

me when there was no debate

[frozen turtle]

considering Theorick also has his staff, i think non-focus users like tasim just use foci to make it easier

[split night]

🥺

[slim belfry]

I noticed that this was something the player says too

[split night]

Manaweaver using focus would be OP as hell

[frozen turtle]

well focus helps then tap into their own mana or smth

[split night]

they can essentially cast spell more fluently

[frozen turtle]

Manaweavers dont even do that

so would it even help

[weary sigil]

manaweaver can already kinda do that though

it just takes skill

[split night]

What if they focus the ocean to the focus to make casting spell more fluent

[slim belfry]

it's already like that tho

sui doesnt ever get tired mana weaving

[weary sigil]

the reason sui, at the start, was getting tired and stuff is because she was inadvertently drawing on her own mana

[split night]

i mean like fluent spell casting

[whole river]

Yeah manaweavers don’t get tired according to sui in hyloch

[spring kernel]

They can already do that a focus wouldn't do anything

[split night]

using a tool at something is always better than your hands right?

[whole river]

Not necessarily

[weary sigil]

not always

[frozen turtle]

foci help you tap into your own mana is the thing, so i think it would probably hinder manaweaver

s

[weary sigil]

take holding a pencil for writing

you don't use a grabber claw to do that

you use your hand

[split night]

this is a bad example because you are saying i use a wand to hold another wand

but i get what you mean

xD

[paper wyvern]

the two issues we see with manaweaver is that they can only control so much at once (so no infinite power as seen at the damn) and they are dependent on environmental mana which can be drained temporarily

[frozen turtle]

also i dont think foci could even weave mana

there is still probably an energy cost for manaweaving like doing anything else

[split night]

it's like they temporally create a vacuum of mana around them when they draw too much of the ocean without aid

[spring kernel]

That knowledge was lost to the old world after all

[split night]

like in Apotheosis

[frozen turtle]

all the old world people were Sui level power confirmed

[slim belfry]

yes thank you two for that info

[slim belfry]

why are all the ancient people so powerful

[frozen turtle]

in fiction all ancient people are like OP

[slim belfry]

seems like in every province the old people did big things

[split night]

can we just use a flintflock or whatever it is the aelumia soldier are holding to shoot them

[whole river]

Back then Orphion and saphanis had stronger connections

[weary sigil]

yeah basically

[split night]

they are powerful sure but they are not invincible yeah

[whole river]

So I assume there was a lot more of a magical golden age in the world

[weary sigil]

you don't use a fork to eat an oreo

[slim belfry]

hmmm

[paper wyvern]

doesnt matter how powerful the magic system is, if they cant have a shield all the time they are weak to gun

[split night]

...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1135348779877404869/1402455625816084580/1277048160359026770.gif

[frozen turtle]

i mean some people do actually eat forks with oreos

[whole river]

As strong as Sui was she can still get stabbed from behind and die

[frozen turtle]

i mean

eat oreos with forks

[split night]

what

[paper wyvern]

who is eating forks with oreos

[frozen turtle]

there are people who like

[weary sigil]

i love eating forks with my oreos

[frozen turtle]

use a fork to dip it with milk its freaky

[whole river]

So yeah manaweavers are destructive but they still bleed

[frozen turtle]

only freaks do that though

if u do see someone dip their oreos in milk with a fork, dont talk to them ever again

[split night]

i kinda want to do that in public but like
wiht chopstick

one day

[paper wyvern]

ok but how though oreos are hard they crumble you cant pierce them with a fork to pick them up

[split night]

soften them with moisture and then use the fork

[frozen turtle]

like through the cream part

[paper wyvern]

why would I want soggy oreos

[split night]

why not

you are gonna dip them in milk

might as well

[weary sigil]

why are we discussing war crimes

[frozen turtle]

i've seen so many people eat food so weirdly

[paper wyvern]

I mean I dont

[frozen turtle]

im surronded by freaks

[paper wyvern]

so idk how fast oreos absorb liquid

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121844531155976222/1399761329375543306/aouwee.gif

[split night]

they are like bread so i assume, fast enough?

[regal spire]

Oh, wow, how amazing, and interesting, too! But, in this “Digital World… What can we do?”

[frozen turtle]

i dont know if it even absorbs

i think it just coats it

[paper wyvern]

yeah but like how quickly does it soften

[split night]

one way to know

[paper wyvern]

I dont have any oreos on me and im not going to the store today

[mossy badge]

Kai cenat

[frozen turtle]

OMG KAI CENAT!?!?

[split night]

another lost soul

[mossy badge]

Where's mrbeast

😠

[frozen turtle]

can we ping moderators if its not mr beast

[split night]

where is the moderation teme

[paper wyvern]

Where Mr. Beast

[frozen turtle]

like i feel like its legit

[mossy badge]

Nah

[mossy badge]

It is

[frozen turtle]

NOO mods deleted it

[mossy badge]

RIP my money

[frozen turtle]

i was about to get 300 dollars

[mossy badge]

👿

[frozen turtle]

Kai Cenat was about to give me $300 and the mods ruined it

[frozen turtle]

set a reminder for tomorrow then

[mellow bone]

The worst part of Mr.Beast is the actual owner didn't try to scam us or post anything related to it. Their accounts are stolen and forced to send that pictures as much as possible to everyone in friendlists and every server

Imagine you got your account back but your banned from all servers

[spring kernel]

yeah that's how most discord scams work

[split night]

Corrupted in real life:

except you can be revived

[frozen turtle]

its not a scam wdym

[slim belfry]

would that make people that scam with their own account fallen

[full jackal]

Oh, good question, but it’s up to you! In this digital world, there are three things to do.

[full jackal]

That would… suck so bad

You could appeal it though, right?

[split night]

i wish i was more talented, i kinda want to do something fun for wynnswap like make an actual battle animation for the battle system concept art i made

[full jackal]

I wonder if some people could be decorrupted

[split night]

if they are like, at the stage where corruption already go to their brain?

it's too far gone

getting rid of the corruption would kill them

because corruption is what keep them alive at this point

they are considered dead

[full jackal]

I mean, even if you don’t have talent, neglecting your actual work to do doodles will improve your art skills surprisingly quickly

[full jackal]

But what if it was a stronger person

[split night]

im talking in music and coding

[full jackal]

With a strong will

[split night]

xd

im good with drawing i think

[full jackal]

Ohhh. Yea that shit uhh…

I tried GarageBand and I did not understand half of it

[regal spire]

-Wow, look: Wynn_builder!
-Silver Bull Sub!
-Wynncraft has 5 raids… Hey, this is fun!

[full jackal]

Coding is…

Oof

[split night]

probably??
Fallen archetype seem to be able to withstand corruption without going insane, but it's not really canon

[shut mist]

Imagine if closing the corruption portal removes the anni workd event

[full jackal]

I studied web design for a bit, it is really difficult

[shut mist]

Would we do it

[split night]

yes

server lag finally gone

[full jackal]

Noooo

[regal spire]

Now, it just moves it to WTP

[full jackal]

I still haven’t done Annihalation yet

[split night]

im going to university under a programmer xD

[shut mist]

True

[slim belfry]

is my second favorite thing

[slim belfry]

what computer science?

[split night]

probably yeah, it's in vietnamese so idk how to translate it properly

i mean if i fail that i have two other university options

so im safe

[full jackal]

You know how in Ultrakill levels there’ll be a calm (-ish???) version of the song and an intense version of a song that switches between the two depending on whether you’re engaged in combat or not?

What if we had that but for lootruns

But how come Annihalation is the only one coming out of the portal

[shut mist]

Wdym

[full jackal]

Like, there are multiple devils of war things

Greater devils

[shut mist]

Yes

[full jackal]

So why is it only Annie coming out

[shut mist]

Theres some near portal

In nesaak

[spring kernel]

do you know how lootrun music works

[full jackal]

Nope

No clue

[spring kernel]

lootrun music already does that

except with more than two versions

[full jackal]

Yeah I know I mean like in the interlude

Honestly now that I think about it it’s a bad idea that doesn’t seem worth it

[shut mist]

Right theres also devils in the mesa

[spring kernel]

there's devils everywhere it's not just annie coming out

[sharp mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374194720699322412/1493294662541250691/son.gif

[spring kernel]

annie is just big enough to be significant

[full jackal]

I… think I mispoke I meant like the big devils native to the realm of war

I mean if I remember correctly

[slender copper]

Why are there words sliding across the screen? lol

[full jackal]

Annie is like one of the weakest ones from the RoW

I’m probably misremembering it

[full jackal]

Is that the Corpse of King Minos?

Wait is Annihalation like a species of devil

cuz the wiki.gg says “AnnihalationS” emerge from the portal

[spring kernel]

no they're just big ones

[full jackal]

Okayyyyy thanks

[spring kernel]

doesn't mean they're not special though

[full jackal]

Got it

Also it’s kinda weird that this part of the border is built

This is the only border region we can see from this perspective of the map that is built from the outside

[upper dust]

they’re just chillin

[nocturne nimbus]

I’m sure this has massive lore implications

[digital swan]

this is part of bloomi

[full jackal]

That’s what I was thinking

Bloomi is canon

Confirmed

Ignore the fact that the rest of the ocean border from the outside perspective isn’t done

[pearl osprey]

hello my lore friends

Do we know yet what Bob's been doing after he left Wynn

like he went to fight in Dern right

But it doesnt seem like anything came of it? did he just die for nothin

[full jackal]

We… aren’t sure

He left and didn’t come back

Perhaps we’ll see him in the DERN expansion

[young dock]

Finding new kinds of cigarettes

[full jackal]

Where did the concept of Bloomi come from though

[pearl osprey]

joke suggestions

[full jackal]

Oh ok

[pearl osprey]

Corkus Bloomi and Morgor

Ever since Corkus became real people have been meming about Bloomi and Morgor coming out one day as well

[full jackal]

Corkus was the only one canonised?

[pearl osprey]

I am a Morgor truther

So far yes

[full jackal]

Morgor is probably just DERN

[pearl osprey]

there is no mention of Morgor/Bloomi anywhere ingame afaik

[full jackal]

Bloomi is like… Fruma

[solid ibex]

slaying smth is implied that threatens wynn

then uh he practically disappears for 20-30 years

[full jackal]

It says it’s the origin of humans

So Fruma

So if you stretch it a bit all 3 are canon

[solid ibex]

implied he was at dern, and he is probably still roaming dern just not making progress

[young dock]

Bob probs chilling somewhere rn

[solid ibex]

or is dead af

[full jackal]

I hope not

It’d be cool to meet him in real form

Though the fact that there’s a quest called “reincarnation” about him does not really bode well

But maybe that’s not canon anymore

[solid ibex]

i think meeting bob is one of the better decisions to make

he is quite popular, built up (needs more build up and reworks)

Lari and Bob team up

FUCKING IMAGINE

that would be insane

[full jackal]

True

Actually speaking of reincarnation

Bob: I am Bob, master of the arts of Wynn.
Bob: Let me explain why you are here.
Bob: My animals, were my greatest allies in my travels through the world.
Bob: I travelled too far, mined too deep, and of course challenged what should not be challenged. My time in Wynn was coming to an end.
Bob: I knew so, too. But I refused to leave without giving the power i had attained to those worthy of it.
Bob: Using what ability I had left to me, I transferred my power to my animals, in three pieces. In the hope that those worthy to harness it will seek them out.
Bob: The spell I placed on the door to this realm will only break to the one who collects my power. But it cannot have escaped your notice, you do not have my power.
Bob: The truth is, you must pass a test, the ultimate test. Hone your skills you have learnt throughout your travels, and face me. Face me, and earn your place amongst soldiers of Wynn.

First of all

Does he think we’re dumbasses

[pearl osprey]

I mean I hope all of late game wynn gets reworked

[full jackal]

Of course we know who he is

[pearl osprey]

Reincarnation, Tower of Ascension, WynnExcavation

[full jackal]

Second of all

[pearl osprey]

Temple of Legends!!!

[full jackal]

Why would he explain why I’m here

I already know why I’m here it’s to challenge him why did he think I went through all that effort

[uneven basin]

wait f he means mined too deep

the age of this dialogue shows

[hybrid gazelle]

These definitely get remake down the line

cause no way they keeping recincarnation

ToA

or espically fucking Wynnex

[full jackal]

Third, “My animals were my greatest allies”

Tf do you mean

Your animals are bumass frauds who do nothing

[pearl osprey]

Is ToA just a cosmic meteor fell down and a person went mad and called herself death

[hybrid gazelle]

0 idea

IDK where the ygoing with this

I like the direction they going for her in Festival of the spirit

[full jackal]

They literally only exist for Bob

[hybrid gazelle]

but other than that Fake Death is like nothing burger

which is a shame

[uneven basin]

also "door to this realm" ?? realm of bob confirmed ? :O

[hybrid gazelle]

because you could play a lot with the idea of Corruption shifting the view of Death in Wynn province

and maybe how Fake Death herself finding a way to archieve true death in Wynn province

[solid ibex]

reincarnation lore wise is fuckin bullshit

[hybrid gazelle]

in order to give people the peaceful afterlife

[full jackal]

Fourth, “earn your place amongst soldiers of Wynn”

As if we aren’t already soldiers???

[solid ibex]

this is such a stupid line

[full jackal]

Like are you implying

[solid ibex]

does that mean soldiers of wynn are able to beat bob?

[full jackal]

That to earn your place you have to beat FUCKING BOB

[young dock]

Bob says we ain’t shit

[pearl osprey]

Bob in Reincarnation is also definitely not as strong as he was in life right

[young dock]

We gotta check them

[full jackal]

Nope

Bob canon can solo Annihalation

[pearl osprey]

not even close

yea

so can I tho

not a big feat

maybe he soloed a 10 player anni

[solid ibex]

player does it with a group of soldiers but isnt it technically soloable

whats the lore canon

[full jackal]

Fifth: “Travelled too far, mined too deep” What the fuck are you talking about I thought you made a heroic sacrifice to try and challenge Saphanis

[hybrid gazelle]

• Bob's tomb that in nowhere(not even location that important to his life)
• People believe Bob to be killed by pack of wolves(this is fine because Bob being demigod is not really conceptualize in the time of this quest)
• 3 animals companion
• Who the fuck is Batelu

[pearl osprey]

yeah it's hard but I've soloed anni multiple times

[full jackal]

Player likely has quite a bit of the Detlas military with them in canon

[young dock]

Bruh just nuke maro peaks, that place genuinely needs a complete make over

[hybrid gazelle]

canonically

as comfirm by Fruma ARG

player character got help by Wynn Army

[full jackal]

Batelu… how did he even get inside the tomb

Like he’s just… there

Why

[slender copper]

Tbf, we see in a secret discovery that the Bob in Reincarnation is not the Bob who defended Wynn.

[hybrid gazelle]

so despite seemingly just couple of people present in annie fight

itwas actually the entire army

[full jackal]

How did he get there

[pearl osprey]

whar

[full jackal]

Why don’t we just interact with the tomb

[solid ibex]

okay so scaling wise
the player is powerful enough to "handle" the queen, powerful enough to solo the sovereigns
still isnt quite powerful enough canon to handle anathema alone, so it makes sense they need help with anni

[slender copper]

Yeah, Nilrem's Sealed Letter SD.

[hybrid gazelle]

"solo" soverigns are very dependent on the soverigns

[pearl osprey]

isnt that just about faking his death

[hybrid gazelle]

because for one like Majin

his ego got better of him more than the player LOL

[full jackal]

Sixth: “Hone your skills you have learnt throughout your travels” mf we’re already here do you expect us to do another boring fetch quest to train up for the fight against you?

[hybrid gazelle]

we just endure enough that he draw enohg cosmo to fucking implode himself

[solid ibex]

i guess

[hybrid gazelle]

Gikyo fight the player to a stand still and then get pop by Sui

Zhiraok all get help

First fight from entire leaves

[solid ibex]

wait okay when i think about it

[hybrid gazelle]

and second fight from Sui and Yusanu(I dont think they much of a help but something to consider)

[pearl osprey]

For gikyo to instantly die to some icicles... I think we basically killed him

[slender copper]

Yeah, so the tomb that has "Bob" in it isn't actually Robert.

[hybrid gazelle]

Them

[pearl osprey]

It

[hybrid gazelle]

Them

[pearl osprey]

I am Changelincist

[solid ibex]

First fight Zhiraok had entire leaves, Second had 2 others, Gikyo had Sui to finish him off, Majin was overconfident, never saw Soosu fight, couldnt defeat Tasim with Rex, but inflicts enough damage on queen for Rex to deal with the final hit

[hybrid gazelle]

I would say second zhiraok fight is almost as close to player solo

because Sui and Yusano is not much of a help

tbh

[slender copper]

*them.

[solid ibex]

lmfao its just instinct atp

[zenith coral]

so with that said we are below sovereign level?

[slender copper]

lol

[pearl osprey]

Okay so technically we never fully kill the sovereigns on their own but we deal 95% of the damage and then they are defeated by one attack from the npc

[full jackal]

Seventh: “The spell I placed on the door to this realm will only break to the one who collects my power” okay let’s just be generous and say that the place where we fight Bob is his own pocket realm… cuz he can just do that I guess. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT KILLING YOUR PETS IS SOMEHOW COLLECTING YOUR POWER????

[solid ibex]

i know gikyo a they/them but looking at the guy will always have me say its a he/him

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui was not just one attack

Gikyo got like

[pearl osprey]

Most importantly, the sovereigns are unable to kill us

[hybrid gazelle]

couple of attack in by Sui until the impale

[full jackal]

Well it’s only respectful that you use the correct pronouns imo

[solid ibex]

Gikyo got hit by a bunch of powerful attacks from Sui, the impalement was the final nail in the coffin

[hybrid gazelle]

canonically they meant to have more androynous apperance

according to Croquin

[zenith coral]

or maybe he also assumes the pronouns of whoever he transformed into but thats just a silly hc

[pearl osprey]

In every case except for the Queen's shell, we would've been able to kill the sovereign given more time

Only the Queen directly overpowers us in a cutscene

[solid ibex]

ts what got lots of people jumped in the lgbt community

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think player can beta Majin

[solid ibex]

i will make mistakes with pronouns

[hybrid gazelle]

as again his power come from infinite sources

[full jackal]

Ughhh please don’t let this devolve into a Kris pronouns argument

[solid ibex]

if im ever to be attacked cause of that, you gotta rethink that shit

[hybrid gazelle]

it just the nature of cosmic magic itself that did him in

[full jackal]

We’re stopping this here

[pearl osprey]

Well we literally did defeat majin

[full jackal]

STOP

[hybrid gazelle]

we did by outlast him

[pearl osprey]

If we push him to overload on his power that counts as defeating him

[hybrid gazelle]

if he was not a human

then we are cooked

[solid ibex]

player endurance is pretty crazy tho

[pearl osprey]

...If we werent human then majin was cooked...

if we were the dark beast

we would win

[full jackal]

Eighth: Why did he even make this ultimate test anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

player endurance is crazy until it come to back of their skull

[full jackal]

Like… why

[pearl osprey]

if i was playing as the canyon colossus I would probably defeat the Queen's shell

[zenith coral]

what a thing to say when i played through fruma getting clobbered bc my air canon zephra uppershredder build got killed in 2 attacks by every boss

[full jackal]

The seal of approval gives you a weapon that you’ll keep for maybe 10 levels max

It’s not even that good

[solid ibex]

cause think about it, fought through palace, then fought guards before Majin, then went to dam to fight Tasim, then queen and only then was when the fatigue caught up

[hybrid gazelle]

you heard of Archille heel but have you heard of Wynn Player's back skull

[full jackal]

True

[solid ibex]

🤯🤯🤯

[ashen salmon]

why am i face tanking tcc’s michigan sword but folding to a shovel to the head

make it make sense

[solid ibex]

wow bro lets not consider canon

[hybrid gazelle]

I will be real

I still

[zenith coral]

it was a build from before the fruma update

[hybrid gazelle]

I still not understand how Tasim have trouble with Rex

[zenith coral]

and it was great before then

[hybrid gazelle]

but whatever girlbossing

[solid ibex]

i took it as Rex being more tricky to fight

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I think it also just his blessing is not more about fighting as we though

[zenith coral]

or like someone said to me we just beat his ass so he is fatigued, but they could shot it better if thats the case

[hybrid gazelle]

consider it meant to help him navigate Dern

[zenith coral]

wai wha

[pearl osprey]

Player feats:

• defeated Corrupter of Worlds
• killed the Nameless Anomaly
• Defeated the Eye
• Killed 2 sovereigns and the War beast

Player anti feats:

• That one guard in Queen's Recruit that manhandles you
• Krolton
• The pirate from the colossal rat quest

[zenith coral]

run that back

[hybrid gazelle]

they got shoved by 2 constables

like not even a competition one

[ashen salmon]

forbidden prison opening

[zenith coral]

where does this lore come from

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

and Ardulf

4 orcs from all Road to Peace

[solid ibex]

reminds me, he like redirected an attack from Sui which is like magic ofc
BUT, i think the issue with Rex is that she isnt really using magic at all, pure bow skills which would be a hard counter if by how his blessing works has to counter or boost magic, whatever that is

[ashen salmon]

that one gert

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

[full jackal]

Ninth: He is not the ultimate test, this quest has 0 plot relevance whatsoever, and the fight is boring. Rymek Luke is harder than him on level

[pearl osprey]

Isn't Tasim's blessing some kind of clairvoyance adjacent thing

[solid ibex]

theres so much player feats

and the anti feats are so fucking hilarious

[zenith coral]

well rymek luke is a boss altar and they arent meant to be soloed or so ive heard

[hybrid gazelle]

Krolton is the most powerful character in wynncraft

[solid ibex]

player gets knocked out so much

[hybrid gazelle]

Reminder

[pearl osprey]

Boss altars are meant to be hard solo bosses

[hybrid gazelle]

player literally cant do anything against harvin and Maruey

despite responsible for fort torann massarce where many of the casuality are constables

[zenith coral]

well ive heard they are meant to be fought by multiple people. maybe its changed

[full jackal]

+1 anti-feat: has 0 communication skills pre-Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

so either Harvin and Maurey are that powerful

or player somehow get intitmate by the 2 worst constables in the divison

[zenith coral]

or we went with it

[solid ibex]

player is a very quiet fellow

[ashen salmon]

whos harvin and maurey again

[whole river]

I mean he doesn’t

[solid ibex]

off the rails constables

[hybrid gazelle]

constables from off the rail

[pearl osprey]

arguably has 0 communication skills in fruma too. Why cant we just talk with the queen

[zenith coral]

no vocal cords

[pearl osprey]

i guess thats more on queen than us tho

[solid ibex]

they talk

[zenith coral]

tom and jerry

[whole river]

Rex is goated but she is not close to tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

there never any oppurnity for us to speak with the queen in person

[solid ibex]

they choose to be insanely quiet so much times

[hybrid gazelle]

until Tasim told us that the queen request an audiences

[full jackal]

There’s a difference between being quiet and being completely silent when someone crashes out against you because you wouldn’t explain shit (RoL IV)

[pearl osprey]

yeah at that point the queen and player should've talked it out

[ashen salmon]

i really wanna be able to mog that guy in mixed feeings

[full jackal]

About what?

[zenith coral]

who knows, her social skills are questionable

[pearl osprey]

about how shit of a ruler she is

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Her Majesty rather fucking kill herself than let a child worker from Roughwork have a single day break

[uneven basin]

when do we even get the occasion 😭

[ashen salmon]

“do you know the name of your true enemy-“ bak’al mext question

[pearl osprey]

exactly lmaoo

[zenith coral]

i will reiterate that i think how queen rules comes atleast partially from how realm beasts rule their realms

[solid ibex]

thats why the player starts talking more after that stuff

[zenith coral]

which isnt applicable

[hybrid gazelle]

the funniest thing about Her Majesty is that

the only reason the rebel keep appearing and beginning from Auburn Forest

[uneven basin]

she's just playing simcity

[hybrid gazelle]

is because she never spread her influence enough in that region

[full jackal]

I think the bartender in that quest is actually such an ass. He says that we’re his favourite customer yet we completely ruined his shop (granted it was not our fault) and have been there a total of 1 time

[solid ibex]

like cmon if you observe from the player's shenanigans, they start to talk more as quests progress, especially after realm of light

[hybrid gazelle]

she always just let it exist

[pearl osprey]

what

she flooded the entire region

[full jackal]

I… guess I didn’t notice that

Good observation

[ashen salmon]

i mean he does get that big ass cave thanks to the player

[hybrid gazelle]

not talking about that

[pearl osprey]

that is uh

[hybrid gazelle]

normally the crown control in Auburn is weaker than the rest of district

[pearl osprey]

🐘

[uneven basin]

aren't mistwoods the delegated rebelion district ?

[hybrid gazelle]

not counting mistwood

[zenith coral]

like realm beasts rule what is basically an extension of their body (its the other way around but ynow) so putting one in charge of a nation in the material plane would always lead to disaster

[hybrid gazelle]

but you get what I mean

[pearl osprey]

that leaves TWO other districts

[sick quest]

Its like a fraction of a fraction of bobs soul

[pearl osprey]

and the roughworks also has the steel feather

[hybrid gazelle]

Steel Feather are not aggressive compare to the Leaves

they just refuge those who getk ick out of their home

[ashen salmon]

steel feather is a glorified homeless shelter

[hybrid gazelle]

the leaves actually do some small scale operation

the most aggressive one is the canopy

[zenith coral]

the steel feather storyline is an allegory to unionbusting obvs

[full jackal]

Tenth: “You do not have my power” Wdym “your power”, is that like an item or ability that only you have that you’re gonna pass onto me or is it like a powerscaling level thing? And if I don’t have your power then would that not mean that there is no way I could’ve entered your realm?

[hybrid gazelle]

but they limited to Mistwood

[slender copper]

I interpret this that the player character will refuse to attempt violent acts on NPCs if they do not directly instigate a fight... and... another thing... the player was on a train, in a closed space, with other NPCs they probably don't want to harm around them.

[full jackal]

Like you’re saying that only people who have your power can come in

But I don’t have your power

But I’m still here

[slender copper]

Kind of, I guess?

[zenith coral]

they prolly just went along with it

[full jackal]

And you don’t explain that

And you just say some bullshit like “now you have to face me”

[zenith coral]

the damage test citizens you put in the grave will disagree

[full jackal]

LIKE DID YOU NOT THINK THAT THROUGH ONE SLIGHTEST BIT

[sick quest]

Mistwoods is the wilderness/the untamed area; Auburn is the rural area/small town/OG fruma (think Appalachia); Aelumia is the urban center; Hyloch is the mansion, wealth area; Roughworks is agriculture and industry

Wastelands is Alcatraz/Rykers

[slender copper]

What??? People damage the citizens, nooo why :(.

[zenith coral]

mistwoods comes across as more og than auburn imo

[solid ibex]

i wonder what style the wastelands would take

[zenith coral]

nuclear wasteland

[pearl osprey]

alkatraz...?

[ashen salmon]

phoenix arizona

[sick quest]

each time the queen talks abt her fondness for auburn i assume she arrived into fruma there

[hybrid gazelle]

in attempt to keep Auburn Forest beauty

[pearl osprey]

tierstack??!?

[sick quest]

?

[zenith coral]

the wastelands will be made by todd howard

[pearl osprey]

fallen!?!?! knucklebones!?!?!? 6 tier leggings?!!?!?!/

[full jackal]

…

What

[sick quest]

bro r u tripping

[hybrid gazelle]

the queen just allow Auburn Forest to be spawning pool for rebels

[sick quest]

i mean its an emotional weak spot for her

[full jackal]

I mean…

I guess

[sick quest]

i think she mustve arrived into fruma via auburn and that will be the auburn ult discovery

[hybrid gazelle]

cause I dont know if Auburn Forest actually contribute much in term beneifting the crown beside being tourist spot

yeah

[solid ibex]

wasnt the original plan of the player to just enjoy the trip in off the rails

[hybrid gazelle]

I just think she really fond of Auburn Forest

[solid ibex]

they hate that business guy and managed to snatch bro's ticket

[hybrid gazelle]

it would be really funny if Bak'al born in Auburn Forest

[ashen salmon]

likely also lumber and a bit of agriculture

[solid ibex]

and basically gets a free train ride

[sick quest]

true

i think auburn is just appalachia

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah

[sick quest]

roughworks is New Jersey

[zenith coral]

nah he grew up in the digested remnants of his mothers body in a monsters stomach

[sick quest]

Hyloch is Long Island

Aelumia is nYC

[solid ibex]

makes sense anyways, there is a train from roughworks going to lumber

[hybrid gazelle]

but I feel like if the queen truly do not give a shit about auburn forest, she would have turn it into another industiral district but for wood

[slender copper]

If the player was able to make the character actually kill any NPC we come across, regardless of they are an ally/random quest giver/general who do not want to harm us... then the statement I made would be very false.

[sick quest]

Oh yeah for sure

[hybrid gazelle]

so i feel like

it either she is self aware enough to know if she try to bring full control over Auburn Forest
it would not turn out beautiful like it is

[sick quest]

Auburn was a very dangerous thing to maintain as a dictator

Like the first thing dictators do is quell provincial/local loyalties

[full jackal]

I mean I wanna argue against it but like I actually can’t

[sick quest]

And auburn had a lot of that

[hybrid gazelle]

Mistwood at least isolated enough to the point any source of rebellion is out of reach of the main population

[zenith coral]

you guys think anathema saw herself as frumas realm beast?

[hybrid gazelle]

and can easily be demonize

[sick quest]

Plus auburn can be self-sustaining in a way that no other district can

[ashen salmon]

honestly she probably thought controlling the water was enough

[sick quest]

Yeah

[pearl osprey]

damn I just watched the nesaak final discovery again and lowkey it looks better than the timasca fight scene? am i crazy to say that? maybe it was tps

[sick quest]

That and the propaganda

[hybrid gazelle]

I have a feeling that the only reason she control water is to keep Auburn Forest in its autumn season

[solid ibex]

thats the twains right?

[pearl osprey]

yea

[slender copper]

Yeah, I can see controversy with it... especially with the amount of killing the player character goes through... lol.

[solid ibex]

yea its geniunely really good for like

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider how much of a control freak the queen is

[solid ibex]

old content

[pearl osprey]

its a really good fight

[zenith coral]

no its mael exorcisizing bak'al

[hybrid gazelle]

I would not put it pass her that she try to control Auburn Forest season to always stay at Autumn

[sick quest]

If the queen didnt have an emotional weakspot for Auburn and a strong distaste for Soosu she would have placed Zhiraok in Roughworks and levelled Auburn

[solid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240662452652347452/1326238400101089290/attachment.gif

[pearl osprey]

no......

stop spreading disinfo

[sick quest]

no ur wrong

[zenith coral]

never

[sick quest]

also do we know what happened to the other two twains

Not mael or theorick the other two

Dwendle and the fire dude

[pearl osprey]

rickeo died at the great bridge

[uneven basin]

technically she already leveled auburn once

[pearl osprey]

immo lore describes his fate

Dwendle idk

[zenith coral]

rickeo you battle in the bridge thing

[hybrid gazelle]

I actually wanna place a bet that Bak'al also born in Auburn Forest which is why the queen fond of it
cause as much as she fucking hate Bak'al the way she speak of him do make it sound like she still remember the bond they have

but tbh

[sick quest]

OH SHIT THATS HIM

[hybrid gazelle]

the idea of Bak'al being like

[zenith coral]

dwendle prolly started the bantisu monks in my hc

[solid ibex]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

a guy who give a shit about someone

[solid ibex]

that is him

[hybrid gazelle]

feel impossible to me

[sick quest]

thats so cool

[hybrid gazelle]

but like sure

[solid ibex]

when you fight him, his corpse is similar to a certain twain

so boom connect the dots and you get rickeo

[sick quest]

bak'al is a narcissist

Hence his manipulation of Ana

And his abandonment of her

[hybrid gazelle]

I always theory that bak'al just using the queen

[sick quest]

Bak'al is a nihilistic narcissist

[hybrid gazelle]

and when the queen reveal that she want to bring order

[sick quest]

Anathema is not which is part of her tragedy

[hybrid gazelle]

he throwing fit and join Saphanis instead

[sick quest]

Anathema would have been a good person if it werent for bak'al

[zenith coral]

maybe he was 100% genuine with her but hes already so fucked up he just dragged her down with him

[hybrid gazelle]

ehhhhh

nahhh

I think Anathema issue is not stem from Bak'al

[sick quest]

I mean we can see her capacity for love and mercy

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al just give her the tool to become a problem

Anathema issue is literally stem from her origin

[sick quest]

She definitely had a lot of hatred and rage from Saphanis and Orphion but Bak'al definitely pushed her in all the wrong ways

[zenith coral]

would she tho? her inherent realm-beast qualities would always make her 'odd' so at minimum she needed a guide to teach her how to be more human

[hybrid gazelle]

the worst i can see Bak'al done that leave mark for the queen

[zenith coral]

without one she would be more neutral imo

[sick quest]

Anathema arrived in Fruma and fell in love with it but Bak'al told her to take over

[pearl osprey]

Doesnt she know bakal from before she even entered fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

is now she paranoid and constantly demand of loyalty

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

but we dont know when Bak'al left her

[pearl osprey]

It would mean Bak'al originally came from Fruma, migrated to Wynn, and immediately went into the portal

[sick quest]

I just adore the fact that Anathema wants us to give the next War Realm Beast a better life and to treat it kindly so it may also be kind

[hybrid gazelle]

he could just be with her until she take throne in Fruma

[sick quest]

I want us to adopt the next War

[hybrid gazelle]

well he seems to hold grudge against Fruma

[zenith coral]

did he tell her to take it over? wheres that stated

[hybrid gazelle]

but again

it could be anything

but his hate is so strong

[sick quest]

in the wtp end dialogue doesnt she say smthn abt him guiding her rage against fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

it allow him to survive his ascension

[sick quest]

Could be wrong

[sharp mango]

bak’al “if” villain

[zenith coral]

sounds vague

[hybrid gazelle]

so I go for the theory that he came from Fruma and been lock out by it when they close the border

[full jackal]

Wait the bane of the great bridge is Rickeo???

[sick quest]

Bak'al a potential villain

[hybrid gazelle]

which tbh I think that would justify his hatred for Fruma

[zenith coral]

for all we know her 'realm-beastness' made her 'integrate' fruma as an act of love

[full jackal]

Bane of the Great Bridge
(Redirected from Rickeo)

Holy shit

[hybrid gazelle]

so my theory is that
Bak'al was fruman soldier who been sent to WYnn to fight the Corruption, Fruma then lock the border and everyone left in Wynn for dead

[pearl osprey]

and instead he kills everyone outside of fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

this cause Bak'al to hold massive grudge

[sick quest]

I wonder if we'll ever understand what Theorick saw on the other side of the portal

[pearl osprey]

this was something that The Queen did tho

[hybrid gazelle]

the raid that he did in Wynn are for collecting tomes and materials needed for resoance weaver

[sick quest]

/What the Corruption really is

[zenith coral]

we probably need an insight to bak'als psychology

[pearl osprey]

Didnt fruma close their gates

[sick quest]

Because we know its of Anathema but she cant control it

[hybrid gazelle]

queen take throne in 200 AP

fruma queen border in 0 AP

[sick quest]

Its beyond her power

[zenith coral]

maybe this was an anathema thing

[hybrid gazelle]

it been comfirm that the council responsible for the closing

[sick quest]

I really feel like Bak'al alone can control the corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

as people manage to decipher one of the scroll that ocntain old fruman text

[sick quest]

Especially since we know Bak'al went to realm of war before the queen left it

[zenith coral]

anathema cant do it

bak'al probably guides it

never control it

[weary sigil]

she can control some of it

[solid ibex]

more so commands them anyways

[pearl osprey]

bak'al got all his power from anathema

[solid ibex]

got massive progress before big boi Bob kicked his ass

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al seem to only control undead and corruption spread

but not devil

[weary sigil]

bak'al can't control corruption either, but he can command it

[hybrid gazelle]

if Anathema cant control the devils

I dont think Bak'al can

[weary sigil]

i think the same might be true of the queen, but she does not associate herself with corruption

[sick quest]

My theory is that bak’al has taken over the corruption and is using it to buff saphanis

[pearl osprey]

would be weird if bak'al could do things that anathema couldnt

when she is the sourceo f his power

[sick quest]

And thats why saphanis got his power boost

[sick quest]

I mean not anymore

He left her but still has a ton of power

[hybrid gazelle]

he still War's scion

[solid ibex]

prob smth else

[pearl osprey]

Wait but Anathema doesnt know why Saphanis is more powerful does she? And she would know if the reason was Bak'al

[sick quest]

Not anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

he ois

[pearl osprey]

She'd probably figure it out

[hybrid gazelle]

he still being called War's lost scion

[zenith coral]

so with bak'al being the closest thing to a leader of the corruption now that its beast is gone and we dont know how the 'successor' is borne what are the chances that bak'al is 'selected' as the next beast due to being the most fitting

[hybrid gazelle]

and defacting does not cause the mark to be gone

[sick quest]

Emphasis on lost

[hybrid gazelle]

the mark will stay on you

yes but he still has the mark

[sick quest]

Lost can mean former

[hybrid gazelle]

we see this with Two aNd Tasim

he still bare the mark of War

therefore its power

Soosu even still barely the mark

[sick quest]

If he still had the mark wouldnt she still be able to communicate with him/find him

[hybrid gazelle]

apperantly not

[full jackal]

Type shit Queen says to Tasim about Bak’al

[sick quest]

Epic the Peak

[hybrid gazelle]

because the queen tasked Majin to find Zhiraok an deal with him

[full jackal]

Bak’al would not see this the same way

[hybrid gazelle]

so having mark does not mean she know where you are

[full jackal]

True

[sick quest]

U right

[full jackal]

Honestly somehow Athena in some moments reminds me of Her Majesty

Like not always

[spring kernel]

Anathena

[zenith coral]

or maybe she couldnt be bothered to tell him because he was obviously in auburn and majin can just start dropping meteors and zhiraok would rush to him

[sick quest]

My Goodbye is very Anathema-coded

[full jackal]

True

[full jackal]

Wait like

[sick quest]

Someone should do an Anathema animatic of My Goodbye on top of the Auburn dam

[full jackal]

Like I was JUST drawing this thing based on “My Goodbye”

[hybrid gazelle]

Also in 800 ish AP

we still see Bak'al still using corruption

[sick quest]

Yooo thats great

[hybrid gazelle]

even tho by that time he likely would defact from the queen

[full jackal]

Thanks lmao’

[hybrid gazelle]

consider how it imply that the siege on Ragni was done on behalf of Saphanis

[zenith coral]

make her shadow have moth wings

[full jackal]

I’ll get to drawing Bak’al soon i guess

[sick quest]

Do u think the corruption is bak’al’s blessing?

[full jackal]

Wow if only I could draw shadows

[hybrid gazelle]

just like Lari with the light yes

it seems that when you recieve blessing from the beast directly

your soul connected with the force

rather than the Weave

[full jackal]

Cool idea though

[hybrid gazelle]

at least that how it appear

[zenith coral]

or maybe the queen is so enraged by bak'al leaving that a part of her 'disguise' fails and for a moment she mutates before getting it back under control

[full jackal]

I mean I imagine Lari is eventually going to betray Orphion down the questline

[zenith coral]

maybe too much tho

[hybrid gazelle]

my theory is that Realm Beast use part of themselves as a bridge to attach indivudal to their singular point

which is their respective for e

so in Queen's case where she has her shell

instead of connecting soverigns into War with parto f herself

she connect part of herself with the Weave

hence why soverigns have power that are more "normal"

compare to Bak'al and Lari

because they were not attach to War

they attatch to the Weave

[zenith coral]

or maybe cuz war breeds innovation there are lots of powers but who knows

[sick quest]

Saphanis’s buff theories: Bak’al/Corruption, using Bob as a power battery, space/void power (TNA)

[hybrid gazelle]

and also

The queen's blessing in her shell

seems to be more about the indvidaul themselves

but then again we know nothing about Bak'al and Lari character

so maybe it simply that their chararistic just happen to compatiable with their respective force

[zenith coral]

honestly this makes me think that anathemas blessings are fundamentally different to the other beasts cuz lari got lots of light powers

maybe she is tapping into a more general 'awakening'

[pearl osprey]

it's not parasite because anathema explicitly states that

[sick quest]

So bob bak’al or void

[pearl osprey]

i guess it might be bak'al? But that would be a bummer since we know he's been serving Dern since 2019

but it's in a secret discovery so for the main quest it'd be a big revelation

[tropic locust]

saphanis extracts the vacuum energy 💯

[full jackal]

Wait so is The Eye literally Saphanis’s eye or like a metaphorical eye

So like when we meet Saphanis they’ll be missing an eye or smth

[tropic locust]

in a sd we see saphanis literally tear out his own eye and give it to bakal

[sick quest]

Lowkey Ive been meaning to play a Wynncraft inspired character in a dnd campaign

[sick quest]

Saphanis wearing a banger eyepatch

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH

Saphanis design entirely hinge on the idea if they want to change the tone of Aledar's death

[pearl osprey]

btw did someone say it was possible to find Tasim in SE?

[full jackal]

Finding Tasim in Silent Expanse?

[pearl osprey]

yea

[full jackal]

I don’t think that ever happens

Like the whole point is that Tasim doesn’t know about Aledar

Dying

[pearl osprey]

man

i mena

mean

post final quest he knows regardless

i guess i have been baited

this

[mossy badge]

That

[pearl osprey]

how do you get that

i finished twp and the final quest

but he is not here

:(

[full jackal]

Did you go to the leaves in the wind base?

[mossy badge]

Maybe u alr did it and forgot it, dementia gaming 🔥

[full jackal]

Wait does Tasim not appear if you tell him to kill himself

[pearl osprey]

no

[mossy badge]

That is where the grave is

Not in SE lol

[pearl osprey]

oh

lol

i thought he'd show up in SE for funsies

[full jackal]

I mean how would he even get there

[weary sigil]

SE's open

[full jackal]

But like would he know that SE is open

[weary sigil]

you can theoretically just walk

[full jackal]

I guess

[pearl osprey]

wait thats in auburn forest right

the original spot

[full jackal]

Yes

[pearl osprey]

i cant find him

[full jackal]

?

[pearl osprey]

nvm

[full jackal]

I mean like at the grave

[full jackal]

Okay

[pearl osprey]

oh that was a short interaction

[mossy badge]

W epilogue

[full jackal]

Did you see his letter?

[pearl osprey]

yea

so

is this the end of Aledar and Tasim?

We'll go the rest of the way alone?

man i wish the other characters wouldnt just disappear

like where are Sui, Zeph and Rex post raid?

[upper dust]

true

[mossy badge]

Good question

I'd lowk rather waited +1 year for the epilogue to be included in fruma

😔

[whole river]

Wdym

[pearl osprey]

It's just that we've been with these two from the start and now it looks like we'll have to continue without them

idk it seems to me like Tasim will stay in Fruma

[full jackal]

Tasim’s story most likely isn’t over

He has a lot of redeeming to do

Aledar is gone

And the leaves… not sure

[whole river]

Tasim isn’t done yet and honestly I don’t see him staying

[sick quest]

Fr

Tasim needs to do a LOT to redeem himself

Send that piece of shit to dern

[sick quest]

Nah no way

I would be surprised if the Fruman Revolutionary Government allows Tasim to stay in Fruma at all

Zhiraok Soosu yes

Tasim no fuckin wayyyy

They've just liberated their country from an oppressive genocidal monarchy theres no way they allow the queens newest golden boy and the man who was going to protect her as she wiped out a whole district/city to remain in their country without tossing him in prison

Not to mention that Rex is positioned to be a revolutionary hero and Tasim chopped off her arm

Likely any new gov will involve Zeph, Zhiraok, Soosu, Rex, that one person from Blossom who was going to help, and Quill

The best system they can probably do is some sort of representative democracy for now and slowly turn it over to a absolute democracy

Orrrrr they could institute a revolutionary council entirely made from steel feather, leaves, and canopy figures

[uneven basin]

ain't no way soosu isn't gonna explore the world

[sick quest]

A rep democracy would be very dangerous regarding hyloch

[sick quest]

I mean I could see Soosu working with the Corkians

But the people of the roughworks and the revolution will want soosu to remain

They will probably need to work out diplomatic relations w ragni and corkus but w the pc involved that wouldnt be too problematic

[full jackal]

I mean I agree with everything except for the blossom guy

Vro doesn’t even have a portrait

[sick quest]

Some sort of stable trade relations w a pretty favorable deal for the corkians as the revolutionary gov learns abt the oppression of corkus

[sick quest]

Yeah I just see running hyloch being a big problem for the revolutionaries

Highlands was the most loyal to the queen

And the wealthiest

Fuck i did a whole big college essay on this i forget the term for it

[full jackal]

Would they be fine on their own though?

[sick quest]

When a revolutionary gov has to compromise with loyalists

[sick quest]

Wdym

[full jackal]

A concession?

[full jackal]

I mean like the highlanders

Are rich

They have everything

[sick quest]

Theres a specific term

[full jackal]

They have stockpiles of food

[sick quest]

Yeah but the revolutionary gov wont want to give them significant power

And wont leave a large powerful loyalist faction

[full jackal]

What are they even loyal to?

[sick quest]

Hence the seizing of wealth

[sick quest]

The old gov

[full jackal]

Like you’re not bringing Queen back

[full jackal]

What old government?

[sick quest]

Even w the queen being dead loyalists will want to maintain status quo

Sovereigns, maintenance of wealth, oppression of roughworks, quarantine of mistwoods

[full jackal]

Oh yea no that would be bad

[sick quest]

Loyalists also often try to institute a new figure into an old gov structure

There are multiple noble houses that would likely vie for some seat in a new monarchy

[full jackal]

Honestly I have 1 criticism of Apotheosis

It is that the highlanders just decide to rebel

[sick quest]

Oh yeah for sure

It makes no sense

[full jackal]

Like of course some people would try and do something

[sick quest]

The highlanders have the most vested interest in the continuation of the queens gov

[full jackal]

But like I feel like highlands would be kinda split

[sick quest]

Moreso than the military thats for sure

[full jackal]

Look just like for example: America in 2026

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Yeah the blossom itself was already pretty ridden with loyalists

Also class conscious is consistently something most present within an educated elite

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Like I just feel that the crowd would be split between loyalists and non-loyalists

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Moreso than labor, hence the difficulties with organized labor

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Yeah

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And they’d end up fighting each other instead of actually doing anything productive

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Probably a split favoring loyalists too

Think of the revolutionary war

The british loyalists were often the landed elite

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And then the non-loyalists would be split between those who actually want to help NOW or just let the leaves do their thing

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The highlands was the landed elite

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Yeah

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Like the highlanders don’t really know or care about how the roughworkers are doing

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The revolutionary government will have to seize the estates of the nobility at the very least

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True

I mean I think the player can solo the houses though

Like we already did in the lootruns

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The worst case scenario for any revolution is the elite maintaining power

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Yeah but the pc is presumably not going to remain within the fruman gov

If the pc did it would probably be a much more stable system anyways

But without the PC, itll be up to Zhiraok, Soosu, Canopy, Steel Feather, and Leaves

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I mean the problem is you can’t really solve systematic issues by killing people until no one can take power

That’s kinda also a dictatorship

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Sui probably wont join the new fruman gov

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Oh yeah

Hence negotiation with the old elite and the loyalists

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My goat would never get into politics like that

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But you also need to prosecute war criminals and the like

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But like seriously I don’t think the leaves are very suited for politics

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Like the gendarme and the wings commanders will have to be prosecuted

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I think Zeph could

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Zeph, Rex and Sui are like 20-30ish

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Zeph is an idealist

Idealists do great in revolutionary govs

Sui def no

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Okay I really do like Zeph, I do.

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Rex i can go either way but she has that war hero thing abt her

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But he has negative charisma

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For sure

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I could see him making up a lot of plans in the back-end of the government though

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Ah yeah i could see that

I think Rex or Rurie would be good gov faces

Zhiraok maybe but only for Auburn

Honestly the highlands would be a very difficult situation to navigate

U could do the foreign interventionist route and institute your own figure

U could negotiate with a more amenable highlander but you run the risks of loyalists slowly claiming power in the highlands once again

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I mean like the thing is it’s just so frustrating cuz there’s always that one group of people blocking any positive change from happening because it’d marginally affect them negatively

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Aelumia wont be too much of a problem as urban centers and university students tend to amenable to revolutionary sentiment

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Yeah

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Like I mean the new gov would have to probably work with less loyalist houses to try and get them to replace the old ones

Cuz abolishing the house system would genuinely be so tricky

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I mean think abt the robber barons in the U.S.

It was so difficult to reclaim power from them

Teddy Roosevelt only rly succeeded because of populist sentiment

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Yea cuz why would they ever give up their power?

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Oh yeah

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Some people would obviously agree out of the goodness of their heart

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Lesser houses in overthrowing monarchies tend to be a good tool

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But then you’d have to deal with the ones who won’t (the big houses)

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Because the temporary-embarassed millionaire only really works against an elite if they are part of a middle class

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True

Also Zhiraok is a highlander himself

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Oh yeah Zhiraok could be very helpful here

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I mean like if the highlanders still look at him favourably

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Depends on how many Majin fans there are in the highlands (of which it seems like there are many)

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Then I guess they could listen to him

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Yeah

Majin is a big problem because hes also a highlands celebrity

Hence his execution will be very unpopular

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I mean though who is even gonna be willing to work with the new government realistically

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The creation of a gov after a revolution is a very difficult thing

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Like the roughworkers would be on-board probably as long as they promise to improve their standard of living

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I mean I imagine Roughworks Auburn and Mistwoods will fully rally behind a new gov

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Auburn is gonna be on-board because Zhiraok

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And the attempted genocide

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Mistwoods… if they get benefits from not being isolated sure!

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The big problem will be the military and the elite

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I mean anti-queen sentiment is very common in the mistwoods

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Yeah no I meant like in highlands other than some kind-hearted people who really wanna help

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Plus a large part of the ground forces of the revolution was from the mistwoods

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Who is gonna work with the terrorists who executed the sovereign celebrity, queen, plunged the province into chaos and murdered hundreds of soldiers

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Yeah

You will need to give some concessions to lower nobility and seize assets from upper nobility

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True

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Roughworks will be able to be turned with some convincing
Mistwoods is like already convinced 90% apart from the like 50%+ of them that are instantly going rogue
Auburn... yeah the attempted genocide + Zhiraok's reassurance means they'll be easy to convince
Highlands will be hell to deal with, as will Aelumia

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Take over the blossom and use their propaganda infrastructure

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I dont think Aelumia will actually be that hard to deal with

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I… actually good idea

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Aelumia will be easy to deal with if they're all already dead yes

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I just could def see a few quests post apotheosis in highlands

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Im just talking abt the fact that aelumias population seems to mostly be university students, laborers, and military

Military will be the hardest part but the others wont be hard

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I mean like the thing about the military is that

They have families too y’know

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labourers ok I see it
University students will be more of a mixed bag I think

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Kinda gonna be hard convincing the highlanders whose children/siblings who were killed that the new revolution is good, cuz it affected them personally

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Yeah

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Yeah w University Students it depends on how good fruman propaganda is

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And like even if its good for everyone humans tend to focus a whole lot more when people they know are dead

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Which is indeed pretty good

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Fr

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All the guards drop crumpled propaganda

It’s clearly very widespread

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Hmmm yeah

I could see the capital being moved to espren

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Also what is Sovereign Oru even gonna do now

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we still don't even know Oru's whole deal either

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We dont rly know shit abt him yet

Plus the inquisitors seem based out of the wastelands

They will be a big problem

They are essentially the regimes secret police

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I mean there aren’t really any good options for capital. Hyloch is disloyal, Aldwell is disconnected, Timasca is filthy and polluted, and Espren is quite poor

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oh yeah Deraj is likely their HQ isn't it

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Aelumnia is infested with loyal military

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I assumed it was Aelumia or Highlands somewhere but the Deraj also makes a lot of sense

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I mean investing in espren wont be that hard

It has good bones

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True

I mean it is imo the prettiest city in Fruma

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Timasca and aldwell are bad ideas

And its always a good idea for revolutionary govs to shift a capital

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Timasca will 99% have gang rule incoming unless some Mistwoods clan invades or Zhiraok takes control quickly

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I think if Soosu sticks around and is helped by Zhiraok itll be fine

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and I do think that some of the Mistwoods clans will be a problem, they're already rogues effectively

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Soosu was an inventor, never a competent leader

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Roughworks arent facing a full collapse the way the others are