📚lore_discussion

[regal spire]

How am I supposed to know it’s you when you’re not you. You’re your digital you.

[drifting aurora]

its crazy that hes like doing a pretty good job

[digital swan]

these are the purple emerald's text boxes? Theft much?

[manic kraken]

bro can we genuinely get schlatt to voice some people in the new wynncraft textboxes stuff

[full jackal]

Virtually real, but controlled by real you. But if he’s not quite real, then I’m not real too! And you’re not real you, is inside the real you!

[hardy rose]

guys in universe is annie stronger than war

im guessing not but im curious

[full jackal]

No

Annie is a creature of war

While Anathema is the Beast of War itself

So Anathema is canonically stronger than Annihalation

https://youtu.be/w0haC4QkPO0?si=02pxJERPew0QVR6i

Speaking of Annihalation this is what played when Bob beat Annihalation’s ass you can’t say otherwise

[drifting aurora]

holy crap. its homestuck

[hybrid gazelle]

War is the force that Annie came from

So this is like asking coukd a man beat his creator

[hybrid gazelle]

Thst would mean vow need to contact with him

[full jackal]

It’s still not dead lmao

I started reading like 9 years after it ended

[drifting aurora]

cast him as commander takan

[manic kraken]

nah we casting him as bob

[manic kraken]

holy shit nvm

BALDSCHLATT

[drifting aurora]

LOL yeah

[manic kraken]

SCHLALD

[full jackal]

That is literally Jschlatt

What

I actually think Zeph would sound like Andrew Horowitz from Tally Hall

But with more stuttering of course

[hybrid gazelle]

I keep forgetting about how old Takan is like

is he still share the same motive as the curent takan?

or is he just evil guy that just being evil

[full jackal]

Not really sure, before you just kill him and he’s just like a generic rebel guy

He calls the Wynnic people “aristocrats” though

Honestly I really wish we ended up killing him, and then across the potential Desert storyline we would reflect on our previous actions and realize how maybe he really had a point

And we sorta see that Central Wynn is ruled by an oligarchy that decides everything for the poor people

Hmm… sorta like a place in real life but I can’t seem to remember its name

[dim plover]

I mean it’s schlatt
I ain’t even mad him having the funny mic is like his thing

Here’s a video where they basically filtered Kaboodle’s voice through the jschlatt funny mic
https://youtu.be/e0NdYr_518c?si=s9FqkloyX4pxF24L

[drifting aurora]

sorta

his brother being executed was in the old version

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

I guess i did not read back in the day

[dim plover]

Wynncraft should rename Takan back to Ba’al just to be funny

(And change Bak’al to Takan)

[hybrid gazelle]

it weird how we only get named human villain and main big spider villain in early game

with barely actual notable corrupted that is not outdated

[dim plover]

Why are they even called Ba’al and Bak’al anyway

I would be really surprised if they both weren’t named by the same CT member

[drifting aurora]

i like takan as a name better anyway

[dim plover]

Are there people on Earth with an apostrophe in the middle of their name
I’m sure there is but I can’t remember if it’s a specific ethnicity or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

bak'al believed to be a name base on ba'al

[digital swan]

ba'al is an ancient ass name

something in the semitic family of languages

uhhh

ugaritic

[full jackal]

Isn’t Ba’al a literal demon

[digital swan]

nah he was actually kinda chill

[hardy rose]

true i figured as much but thought it was interesting because ||If we beat anathema I feel like the realm of war isn't a super menacing threat. Why don't we just like hunt down all the annies?||

[cinder cedar]

There’s a big chance we might become corrupted and if that happens, everyone dies.

And War is just going to keep on pumping more Annies anyways.

[hybrid gazelle]

because the annie we fought not only occupy having its ass stuck to the portal frame

it not fully rown

and also prolong exposure to realm of war will have you like Theorick

and also we beaten Anathema because she was weaken

and we got 1 scion and 1 manaweaver with us

and Zeph

this is important

espically the last part

also imagine walking on foot just to find annie to kill them

that like

very fucking ineffecient

[frozen turtle]

we also fought Anathema in that tower which was bleached of corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

consider how realm of war is a constant hostile zone with boiling river and all kind of dangerous lifeform

[frozen turtle]

which probably helped

[cinder cedar]

Zeph was important for moral support

[hybrid gazelle]

you gonna die before you get to your second annie or out of resource

or first if you are lucky

[frozen turtle]

Zeph actually soloed anathema

cuz assassin class is too OP

[cinder cedar]

I’ve seen more mages and paladins than assassins in Wartorn

[hardy rose]

we should just make ODM gear lwky

[hardy rose]

palamonk is like free brainrot gameplay in wtp

[hybrid gazelle]

xwhat

also annie in WE take entire wynn millitary to tale down

so trying to kill Annie in the RoW would not only need entire army to mobilize in RoW

which would be impossible

[full jackal]

I mean try fighting 5 annihalations at once

That shit would destroy you

[dim plover]

I can take five annihilations

in a fight

[cinder cedar]

You can take annie with mythics but the entire wynn army does not have access to them

[pine flower]

omw to solo anni using only crafteds then ig

[zenith coral]

ive gad a lot of fun imagining a nol orphion fight that is basically orphion making a last stand (actually it is the parasite controlling it but yknow) against effectiveley 1000 players (not players in-lore but yknow) while saddles with debuffs (the parasite isnt able to command orphion to pull out his big moves, it inherently isnt able to understand the light powers so it uses with no refinement at all [just pure power], it isnt able to withstand orphions top speed so orphion cant go hyperspeed, it isnt able to command the realm so no passive wonder of u among other things, orphion is activeley fighting back, etc,) and just being a dbz character in this last fight who gets rid of liek 75% of players (despite buffs and healers) before the parasite is knocked loose.

the battlefield is the entire rol

does it sound badass?

[zenith coral]

except no all of the ragni guys use... drumroll please... normal items

and no buffs

crafted buffs i mean

[rustic nexus]

this would suck

[zenith coral]

more of an anime battle not a gameplay thing

imagine the cinematic tho

[manic kraken]

cap

annihilations don group up

[rustic nexus]

still would kind of suck given the only good area where you could have a fight scene is either in front of nol or at the entrance of the realm

[manic kraken]

unless they led by the founder annihilation

[rustic nexus]

or the path to nol which I guess works

[zenith coral]

also orphion at this described weakest point is still faster than light and we really cant display stuff like this in his tiny arena (which has no reason to exist in lore along with the raid builing)

[manic kraken]

in which someone needs to be an annihilation transformer

they need to inherit the founder annihilation which is usually joined with the attack annihilation

trust this all true smh

[zenith coral]

well in the battle orphion is getting jumped by what is effectiveley 1000 COORDINATED players with plans and teams, while orphion is zipping through the entire realm at Faster than light speed

[pine flower]

you sure? i can definitely buy them using crafted items on par with normal items, but how do you know they dont have crafteds

[full jackal]

Ragni Guys probably use Epics-Legendaries

No Fableds

Or Mythics

[zenith coral]

x

[zenith coral]

legendaries are in-lore most of them prolly one-of a kind

[dim plover]

Viewed a Replay Recording of Anathema that used an older version of the resource pack while I was using the latest version of the Resource Pack and the shuffled model has Queen parts in it which is pretty funny

[full jackal]

Then how about Fableds?

[zenith coral]

no shot they have stuff like that

[pine flower]

ah now it makes sense thanks for clarifying

[zenith coral]

even rarer

what are you talking about

[full jackal]

Then Mythics might as well not exist X_X

[zenith coral]

well in-lore that is defeniteley right

[full jackal]

I mean Mythics I imagine

Are like once every 80 years or so

Fableds are like once every 20 years

[dim plover]

Wait are mythics not canon

[zenith coral]

they are all one of a kind, of course random mooks dont have these

[full jackal]

Legendaries are maybe once every 4

Epics are once every 1 year

[zenith coral]

they are all singular existences ofc

[full jackal]

Uniques are once every 3 months

[zenith coral]

epics dont exist

[dim plover]

Oh wait you mean gameplay-wise

[full jackal]

Commons are…

[full jackal]

Aren’t the purple ones called epics?

[zenith coral]

rares

[full jackal]

I mean magenta

[dim plover]

The Mythic items exist I'm sure but I don't think that rarity tiers are a thing in-universe

[full jackal]

Oh okay

[dim plover]

Have you played the game

[full jackal]

I misremember constantly T_T

[zenith coral]

i meant in-lore yknow

[full jackal]

I mean yea but I don’t look at the magenta ones

Because they’re usually pretty bad

Except for sizzling shawl

[dim plover]

Rarity tiers probs aren't a thing in-lore

[zenith coral]

i thought you were talking about how ragni soldiers have legendary gear in-lore and i of-course laughed at you

[dim plover]

The items still exist though I feel like

[zenith coral]

more of an indicator

but they defeniteley dont have legendary stuff

they arent the type to go around and get their own gear

[dim plover]

Guard armor is probably mass-manufactured

[zenith coral]

we just deserted frame 1

[zenith coral]

yeah my point

[dim plover]

Not to say that it can't be legendary tier though

[pine flower]

crafteds in question

[dim plover]

It could be legendary tier if they were an in-game obtainable gear but like, a low level legendary

[zenith coral]

depends on what we mean by this cuz legendary lore can vary alot and they defeniteley dont reach some the powerlevel here

[full jackal]

I mean aren’t all items technically crafteds

How do you think they were made

[dim plover]

Just because items are legendary doesn't mean that they're good

[dim plover]

I took legendary as in the item tier

[zenith coral]

would that be given out to random soldiers tho

[dim plover]

We could find it in the wild in chests maybe

Aren't loot chests like the stand-in for players finding stuff on the ground

[zenith coral]

according to lore some are more natural formations but ig

[dim plover]

Maybe it's like a dead soldier's armor

[full jackal]

So it’s crafted by nature then

[zenith coral]

some of them

[dim plover]

Almost all the gear and weapons are crafted in some fashion wdym

[full jackal]

There are a few that are natural formations

[dim plover]

Like, there's some of them that's naturally formed but that's like barely any of them

[full jackal]

But like that’s still technically crafting, just that it’s crafted by nature

[zenith coral]

well i thought because some of the lore of legendaries is really nutty and is not the stuff anyone would use (or give to random soldiers)

[pine flower]

i dont think thats how nature works

[dim plover]

We can't generalize all legendary items what

[full jackal]

I mean like sizzling shawl deserves to be a legendary though

[zenith coral]

well ofc not but i wanted to make it clear that alot of legendaries is probably worn by higher-ranked people (some arent used at all like lunar spine i think)

your common ragni lvl 1soldier in lore wears mass-produced armor

[dim plover]

Lmao I just found this in the search

[zenith coral]

and he isnt picking up stuff and putting it on mid-battle

[dim plover]

level 5 chestplate

[full jackal]

Like barely any requirements and you pretty much get +50% damage if you’re on a spell-based fire/water build

[zenith coral]

this is the stuff that would cause an incident at some point

noone would wear this unless theyre stupid

[full jackal]

True

[dim plover]

It literally says Guard's Garment

[zenith coral]

i meant in-lore

[full jackal]

Yeah I know

[dim plover]

Maybe it's like

just a standard Ragni guard piece idk

[zenith coral]

well its corrupted now so it certainly isnt like the original

is it a guard garment ? not anymore

who knows what it was orignally

[pine flower]

youre right

we dont know

we dont know if it was crafted, legendary, or normal

[zenith coral]

does this mean that we should toss items throught the nether portal to make them stronger? nether portal crafting station when

its just afree boost

[slim belfry]

what's a nether portal

[zenith coral]

corruption portal

[pine flower]

are you making the assumption its a normal item turned legendary again?

[zenith coral]

this idea may even be relevant in-lore, maybe corrupted items work greatly against light and dark

[zenith coral]

well alot of corrupted items seem to be things touched by corruption that got stronger

so if you finished crafting your item you let it get corrupted for free stats

[pine flower]

any specific examples of corrupted items?

[zenith coral]

i think lunar spine is one

[pine flower]

last i checked lunar spine has cosmic insanity

not corruption

[zenith coral]

yeah maybe

in-lore getting corrupted weapons against the coming dern arc seems like a promising idea tho

what if we bring the corruption there?

maybe itd help

the same way directing two natural disasters into eachother helps

[rustic nexus]

id love to see how the border between roughworks and mistwoods looked like before quill designed the wall that stands between them now

surely it was also some other kind of defensive structure

[hybrid gazelle]

random ass roughworkers getting snatch by korviraptor

[rustic nexus]

timasca is right nextdoor to mistwoods as well

imagine if you're the poor soul that had to live closest to the border

you go to bed one night and then never wake up because some random saurian decided to have a midnight snack

[hybrid gazelle]

actual jurassic park

one thing to note

despite the teaser

I dont think mistwood have fox

[rustic nexus]

yep

foxes are just an auburn thing

maybe the fox clan formed while the regions weren't as locked as before

[dim plover]

Isn't the gate usually guarded

If stuff can get out that easily we would have more Changeling breakout cases by now

[rustic nexus]

the current gate yeah but we know nothing about how it used to be before it was made

[dim plover]

So far we only know 1

[dim plover]

Oh yeah I guess so

Why is it even misty anyway

What causes it

[rustic nexus]

idk

[full jackal]

… I mean…

[dim plover]

There's a whole lot of open space in all directions for the mist to like, escape out of

Where is it coming from and how is it not being drained out

[full jackal]

Not sure honestly

Better question

How can the wastelands be next to Mistwoods

[rustic nexus]

mined out

[full jackal]

The wasteland is a desert-esque area

[dim plover]

It's a mesa

[full jackal]

And right next to it is the most humid region in Frum

[rustic nexus]

wastelands probably didn't look like that originally
also I think they've said that current style of wastelands isn't final

[frozen turtle]

the dam like has so much water it like turns into mist and makes mistwoods misty

[dim plover]

The dam is closer to Auburn

[rustic nexus]

the mist is actually a changeling

[dim plover]

the mist is actually the remiains of changelings

[drifting aurora]

Hmmmm

I Wonder

[dim plover]

There is a reason for it.

[drifting aurora]

there is!

it just might not be one you have access to yet

[hybrid gazelle]

lexnt what your opinion on wooly rhino

[rustic nexus]

that one rurie task description

[slim belfry]

the reason is that the mistwoods and wastelands are

[drifting aurora]

im not sure how much info on the wastelands exists

[dim plover]

Why is there even a snowy area in Highlands

[hybrid gazelle]

because

it's highland

[frozen turtle]

mountains

[dim plover]

I get that's it's the High Lands but

[drifting aurora]

they should make it woolier

[hybrid gazelle]

that true

[dim plover]

Are the Highlands in canon the width of Mount Everest or smth what is this

[hybrid gazelle]

I love Fruma fauana

I wish they go back and remake gavel fuana

[dim plover]

That being said we need more snowy areas

[drifting aurora]

yessss this exists

[hybrid gazelle]

because fruma one is more intresting and that weird because fruma meant to be more grounded

[dim plover]

The Highlands place is probably the first and only natural snow region in the entire game

[slim belfry]

now we know why mistwoods is so small

[hybrid gazelle]

if this meant to read as Rurie send hug to the reader

[drifting aurora]

kind of true

[hybrid gazelle]

like it's online message

[slim belfry]

it was actually much larger

[rustic nexus]

that little tidbit makes me think the wastelands weren't like how they are rn

[hybrid gazelle]

he is grown ass man

[dim plover]

You guys have the massive display entity tech now

You can make auroras

[hybrid gazelle]

with chest and hair

[drifting aurora]

Love, Rurie
Kisses, Rurie
Hugs, Rurie

[rustic nexus]

mining was so bad it turned the land to waste

[hybrid gazelle]

grown ass man

[drifting aurora]

hes so funny

[full jackal]

oh cool!

[rustic nexus]

rurie is so good

we had a lot of him but I wish we had more still

[slim belfry]

CANON LORE of prof impact on the environment

[hybrid gazelle]

the fact that sohso is there imply there also some cosmic meteor going on

i swear to fucking god

if he become a gert

I would go insane

[rustic nexus]

😭 😭 😭

[slim belfry]

I mean

[hybrid gazelle]

I would end it all if gert get even a glimpse of content

[slim belfry]

do we know for sure it's cosmic stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

I WILL LET 500 WYNNCRAFT PLAYERS DIE BEFORE GERTS GET A CONTENT

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean why else woul dSohso be brought in here

LOL

they said it's similar madness

[slim belfry]

to treat changeling insanity

[hybrid gazelle]

so something along that line

[slim belfry]

wait

are changelings aliens

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

probably

[rustic nexus]

ok but imagine
you find an abandoned structure in the wastelands
it looks like a laboratory
you find a key to the basement and find a single aggressive Gert lv75

[slim belfry]

[hybrid gazelle]

demolish the entire wasteland

[rustic nexus]

LMAO

[hybrid gazelle]

if gerts got a new content it mean they are here to stay

FUCKKKK

[rustic nexus]

ok but wait

wasn't turning into a Gert only a thing for the gylia meteors

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK

that all they talk about

like

oh you expose to meteor

and you go insane!!!!

and mutate

for some reason

cosmic radiation

[slim belfry]

wait does that mean humans would turn into the hulk or something

[hybrid gazelle]

probably

I mean

nothing say otherwise

[dim plover]

Hubert lore

[slim belfry]

🤔

[rustic nexus]

we must mine the order and chaos meteors and grind them into dust to make wynnic supersoldiers to fight the corruption

[dim plover]

Actually do we know if those two are definitively Order and Chaos

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruman after being expose to meteor that make them straight

[dim plover]

It was like a theory one of the research notes had right

[rustic nexus]

gavelexcavation discovery says so

[dim plover]

But do we actually know what they are

[hybrid gazelle]

order and chaos meteor

[dim plover]

Yeah but wasn't that just like an assumption

[hybrid gazelle]

Order
and
Chaos

[rustic nexus]

we don't have enough info on Wynn cosmology to make definitive guesses

[dim plover]

I do still want to make that Gylia Weird Boss Altar btw

You reminded me of that

[rustic nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-minos-prime-gif-14327003816146677228

[dim plover]

I need to find a sprite artist that's good with effect animation

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe if I close my eyes

every single meteor will disappera from wynncraft

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HCyXH_oXIAA9P1F.mp4

[rustic nexus]

so real

it's okay trashie

there's totally not a meteor under the forgery as well

[hybrid gazelle]

OMG GUYS THERE SOMETHING WEIRD GOING ON HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THIS

Dont worry writer number 1! We just gonna fucking use the same meteor shit fuck for 100th times!!!!

[rustic nexus]

meet potential province

[dim plover]

I don't have a lot of stuff concrete yet but what I do know is that I absolutely want the Weird Bosses to be able to do the Doctor Who regeneration visuals for an attack or two

[hybrid gazelle]

Wow geez are not we writing fantasy world? Cant we use high fantasy element to explain all the wacky and supernatrual in this world

dude shut up I fucking hate writing fantasy, I want to write sci fi

[dim plover]

Like, I want bright trails of light to eject out of the bosses and either trail away or loop back into other parts of their bodies

I 100% want that as an attack

[slim belfry]

eh we got corkus for that

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but for corkus they also have to include steampunk asthetic

and we all know only people who liek steampunk asthetic are redditors

[dim plover]

I think I finally figured out why you hate a lot of stuff in Wynncraft

[dim plover]

(This is sarcasm)

[wise thorn]

More bakal slander because it's low hanging fruit

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al reputation is so low

[full jackal]

mf can’t even do ragni and that place is full of lv.60 guards

[hybrid gazelle]

that Anathema hating him loop back being glazing him

such power that is Bak'al

[drifting aurora]

i looove the corrupter of worlds

[rustic nexus]

lv20 guards

[hybrid gazelle]

he is green for a good reason

[drifting aurora]

it really is old wynnlore that has never been adjusted

[dim plover]

Nobody's interested in Weirds :(

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al at least have some feat
CoW Got fucking nothing LMAOOO

[slim belfry]

I wanna put a weird in my house

[drifting aurora]

weirds are cool i guess

[hybrid gazelle]

The only info we can go off about CoW to clear its power

is literally just in AHC

[rustic nexus]

CoW is green because it can be placed in the troms cave

[dim plover]

I think Weirds are probably just too abstract and incomprehensible of a concept for the average player to be interested in them

[hybrid gazelle]

where it fight Bak'al and his army once

and that it

[dim plover]

That and the game explains nothing about their existence

[hybrid gazelle]

man it start getting a bit weird in here

[dim plover]

But once I get my mob system fully done, the first functional boss I'm making is absolutely going to be the Gylia Boss Altar

Like, I've had this as a concept planned for ages now

Gylia (Or at least its level range) needs a boss altar

I conceptualized a duo boss of Mega-Weirds that each formed from the two Gylia Meteors respectively

"formed" isn't the right word to use when it comes to Weirds specifically but like

You know what I mean

[drifting aurora]

i do enjoy wynncraft lore

[dim plover]

They occured from the two meteors

One Purple, one Blue

And they have like, really strong duo mechanics that I want to implement in

It'll be so cool

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt if you were force to save only ONE couple

would you save Yuman and Zeph or Maxie and Rhay

[drifting aurora]

oh no

[dim plover]

Lari x Ava no hesi

oh there's choices

nvm

[drifting aurora]

thats hard.

[hybrid gazelle]

do you want to save asian gay couple or british gay couple

or american

[dim plover]

wait asian and british?

[drifting aurora]

well when you put it like that

[hybrid gazelle]

whatever ockrusi s

[drifting aurora]

what happens to the couple i dont pick

[hybrid gazelle]

sent to Dern

[dim plover]

They go to the farm where they can frolick in the fields forever

uh I mean death

[drifting aurora]

Well zeph has a darkness within him so he'll fit right in

[hybrid gazelle]

that true actually

fuckkk

[slim belfry]

sooooo
inside a light monolith

[hybrid gazelle]

Zeph is Saphanis' shell theory

OMG I think of something I could draw

[dim plover]

I am really tempted to make a joke right now regarding that sentence but I can't because I would get banned from every single Wynncraft Discord and then the Minecraft server itself

I'm kinda afraid someone would figure it out if I gave any more elaboration or specified what sentence I am talking about so I'm just going to leave it there

[drifting aurora]

ok

[dim plover]

What

Is there a farm in the light monolith

[slim belfry]

not yet

[dim plover]

Oh btw Zhiraok's necklace should appear earlier in the questline

So his claim of "the murderer has seen me use this" in Apotheosis actually makes sense

[drifting aurora]

what

[dim plover]

Because like, no lol that's the first time ever I've seen that thing what is that Terraria Sharktooth Necklace looking ass

[drifting aurora]

you literally see him use it in echoes

Oh the model

[dim plover]

Yeah

[drifting aurora]

we could probably add it in there

[dim plover]

Because before then the player would reasonably assume (and kinda supported by Syndra's wording) that the reviving ability is like, part of Zhiraok's blessing

Instead of like an external object

[signal bough]

there was a horse ranch

[dim plover]

huh?

[drifting aurora]

what is a wynncraft lore topic i can spark discussion about

Hm

[signal bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1321707116351848498/monumentofhorse.gif

[dim plover]

oh lol right that

[drifting aurora]

LOL true

quit horsing around!

[signal bough]

god damn you can see me in the gif!

[dim plover]

Blo-

-od color of Changelings

If their blood is purple shouldn't it be like

Kinda easy to check

[drifting aurora]

yk theres some very minor dialogue details in fruma ive not seen anyone pick up on

[dim plover]

Just force people to slab themselves

[drifting aurora]

which is interesting

[dim plover]

Actually if anything I'm surprised that Adwell people don't like

Use that as a check

Because wow that is a very distinctive unmodifiable difference between Changelings and Humans

[slim belfry]

maybe they don't know about blood idk

[signal bough]

the canopy would...

[dim plover]

Have they not killed a single Changeling before

Like

Why medallions

[signal bough]

and the canopy is kinda aldwell

[dim plover]

Why isn't the practice of literally slitting arms a thing

Like, a small cut even

[drifting aurora]

we can say it doesnt work

[signal bough]

all you would need to check blood is a sewing needle and to make a tiny incision

[dim plover]

Ok yeah but the game hasn't said it so

[drifting aurora]

shrug

[dim plover]

Why is it specifically a non-human color anyway
to make them more alien or something

[hybrid gazelle]

@drifting aurora

[drifting aurora]

um

[dim plover]

It kinda brings the problem of it being a really good indicator of who is and isn't a Changeling

[dim plover]

Is that supposed to be DB

[drifting aurora]

insert there is a reason for it gif

[dim plover]

Figured it could be like a Changling or an Obsessor or smth

[full jackal]

i mean can changelings change into objects?

[drifting aurora]

no but really thats like. In The Text

[hybrid gazelle]

yes that is Saphanis

because we all know it canon that Zeph is Saphanis

Lexnt comfirm it

she told me in a dream

[dim plover]

Zephanis

[slim belfry]

holy shoot it all makes sense now 🤯

[dim plover]

Oh wait I just realized that Zeph is short for Zephyr

[drifting aurora]

i kind of hate just directly saying things about the lore though

sigh

[dim plover]

I'm kidding my subconscious realized that when I first met him
I just consciously acknowledged it though

I was sort of like "oh I get it his name is an air joke" while my brain was too busy to take two seconds to explain why it was

[hybrid gazelle]

also

wait

[drifting aurora]

eh whatever

[hybrid gazelle]

I have personal hc about medallion

so basically I have hc that medallion is pratice first invent by soverign caetal

[dim plover]

best to add them in-game

[hybrid gazelle]

this is heavy hc territory

[drifting aurora]

it is in game!!!!!!!

[hybrid gazelle]

I do think that back then soverign caetal do have the task of training changeling

[drifting aurora]

thats the point im making!!!!!!!

[hybrid gazelle]

but due not being changeling himself

his method of trainning is more of making example of failure than anything

so what the medallion system is for

[drifting aurora]

"oh why do they have purple blood" the answer to that is in the game!!!!!!!!!

explodes

[dim plover]

(Slightly offtopic but I kinda do find a weird sense of humor whenever I witness a CT witnessing another player misinterpreting a piece of game content horribly)

[hybrid gazelle]

is that it encourage cahngeling to be quick with their kill

[dim plover]

Like, for some reason I enjoy when that happens
Like mildly funny

[hybrid gazelle]

because if they are too slow, they will be unable to get the medallion and thus failed in trainning

[dim plover]

Does that make me a bad person

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah this is just my hc about medallion system

[slim belfry]

hmm interesting

[drifting aurora]

we can add it to the list of your crimes

[hybrid gazelle]

cause I dont think caetal is that good of a person??

like there gotta be something fucked up about him as soverign

[signal bough]

do we know anything about him

[dim plover]

If I join the CT and make Bloomi canon is that also a crime

[hybrid gazelle]

and I feel like him inventing these kind of system for "safety" of Aldwell people

is just something there to train changeling

[drifting aurora]

youre never going to do that so its a moot point

[hybrid gazelle]

and I think Caetal leave too much of a mark on Aldwell culture

[drifting aurora]

i should leave

[dim plover]

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where I join the CT, lock in and somehow beside my regular CT duties also solo-develop a full scale Bloomi

[hybrid gazelle]

that it continue to presist despite him being gone

[drifting aurora]

goodbye chat

[hybrid gazelle]

bye

[dim plover]

Like mobs, quests and all

Bye

[slim belfry]

aw cya

[signal bough]

no please I just want to know the political status of selchar 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

sel

[dim plover]

No you will now learn about the policical status of Bloomi

(It is none there are no people there)

Well actually I think the original Bloomi posts do have villages
Lemme go check

[signal bough]

there are bloomi posts?

[dim plover]

How do you think it's this well-known lol

[signal bough]

I remember the wynncraft 2 map post

[dim plover]

(I'm pretending that I don't already know that there are)

[dim plover]

Link it

I've only ever seen 1 map

[dim plover]

oh that

I thought you meant like, a map of Bloomi itself

Btw is there any updated 2D maps of Wynncraft anywhere

I can't seem to find any asides from like, Wynntils

[signal bough]

yeah just wynntils

[dim plover]

But honestly if I were to make Bloomi and put it on the main map then yeah this would be a really accurate region I would choose

The problem is that I would kinda want Bloomi to be pretty remote compared to the other landmasses though

But like, the main map also can't extend too far to the left

Because then it'll be Bloomi but too much ocean

I guess it leaves way to add new islands but

[signal bough]

a little ocean, as a treat

[dim plover]

Let's assume that Bloomi is like

Fruma-sized

Or slightly smaller than Fruma

Being generous here

And is an island surrounded by ocean on all sides

No putting it in the corner or side of the map

Which leaves a dillema

[signal bough]

easy

Far Western Gavel and Fr2ma

[dim plover]

No but like

Which NorthSouth location though

Left of the map is kinda an obvious spot to put it but

urrrgh I need a full 2D map to visualize this

[signal bough]

extend gavel and fruma and put bloomi in the ocean between them smh

[dim plover]

Too close to Corkus though

Hold on I'll take Wynntils assets and make a full map there

I'll just have to shrink it by like x4 to prevent too big of a filesize

[signal bough]

yeah

don't forget to do nearest neighbor

[zenith coral]

nobody cares about morgor :C

[frozen turtle]

there are so many better ways to identify a changeling that i wouldnt be suprised in the medallion thing was created by the crown

[limber swan]

cya

[frozen turtle]

like, what if they have actual changelings who infilirated because they just created the medallions but send it basically "fake spies" to make them believe they know how to identify them

[dim plover]

Ok hi sorry I had to restart like twice because I realized I was using old tiles

Here did it

I ditched the 4x shrinking this is the full map

I'll draw up an estimate on what a perfectly square map looks like then I'll see from there

Oh wow that's a lot more space than I thought it was

Okay yeah sure a theoretical perfect square map can absolutely house Bloomi lmao

[pine flower]

But could it house the kings valley to its right side

[dim plover]

Damn ok that's a lot of space

[split night]

bloomy

[earnest prairie]

good enough space for a walmart

[mossy badge]

Celsian isles ahh map

[dim plover]

Hey who cut my perfectly rectangular and whole landmass into two

You made a mess look at all those fragments in the middle

[pine flower]

When will we be getting steelmeld

[mossy badge]

Ocean update 2067

[earnest prairie]

are tectonic plates canon to wynncraft?

[hybrid gazelle]

Sure

[mellow bone]

Bro did Aledar really die

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

he die

[pine flower]

Worse than dead even

[mellow bone]

FAWWKK

[mystic fulcrum]

probably not

because gavel and wynn are tiny, hard to tell

[lethal hill]

we have to collect aledar's soul shard across the world to revive him

in turn, we would know aledar's backstory + what he been doing in gavel

[mystic fulcrum]

but we need two to see through his memory

otherwise we can't do anything

[lethal hill]

future quest frfr

[frozen turtle]

Pretty sure the Dern has these soul shards or at least a few

Sadly

I want a time valley quest where we visit a memory of alert

Aledar

Also couldn’t the fruma recruits put their starting weapon in the time valley to learn some history of fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

Lego collectible

If we collect them all

We will unlock Aledar as second playable character

[zenith coral]

i will once again reiterate that the ocean is apparentley extremeley important to the war of the realms story and if our next arc isnt dern the ocean is a good contender

[mellow bone]

How come Bob died? Bro has 5 classes with all archetypes wtf

[hybrid gazelle]

Fake his death

Go to Dern

Never seen again

[mystic fulcrum]

maybe he did not die?

Bob wear morph set?

[full jackal]

*4

He did not learn shaman

[full jackal]

Yea I think the temple of time either needs a huge rework or just needs to be removed

Cuz like you sorta realize…

A lot of things could be figured out early with it

[mystic fulcrum]

olm got some dark magic to prevent fruma queen to realize the usage of the temple of time

[tired fulcrum]

Fruma queen is digging a transmutation circle under all of the other provinces

She is possessed by something in dern

[tired fulcrum]

He was wearing the bob set, next expansion we'll get it

[mystic fulcrum]

Dern is a lot more powerful than realm of light

[mellow bone]

Can Tasim beat Bob

[silk venture]

At lvl 120 maybe

[mellow bone]

Like who or what is the strongest thing ever in Wynncraft

Player?

[full jackal]

Orphion and Saphanis

But player has the potential to overtake them with enough experience I’d say

and a lot of luck

[split night]

Tasim is about below <Character>'s strenght
while Bob is near or above Scion level
<Character> is below or near equal to a scion level
by logical deduction, Tasim cannot beat Bob

[split night]

Orphion and Saphanis yeah, they are god

[spring kernel]

they are realms

whole ass dimensions

[split night]

in term of strongest human then Bob
althought you could say that Bob don't count cuz Bob is half-human

we could be the strongest human ever

[mellow bone]

Who are we

Who is The Player

Like what is our past

[split night]

yeah the term god definitely capture that

[split night]

Up to interpretation

your <Character> is your story to write about, it's basically your OC

you can decide what make your <Character> strong however you like and have full creative freedom over it

[mellow bone]

Someoen told me that Theorick lost against corrupted bc he didn't invest in riftwalker

[split night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777590827237113906/1096569083547357285/guh_-_Copy_-_Copy.gif

true

[frozen turtle]

player is the most powerful cuz of plot armour

[split night]

<Character> is definitely the most powerful human yeah

if we don't count scion like Two or Bak'al

[mellow bone]

Is there a way to bring aledar back

[split night]

No

it would be weird for the story

to revive a character

[frozen turtle]

especially one who died like that

[split night]

yeah

he died sacrificing himself

[frozen turtle]

like rex ig makes sense

kinda

[split night]

reviving him defeat the purpose xd

[frozen turtle]

i dont really like it but its not that bad

[split night]

I guess Rex is fair??
i don't like it either

but like

she die and then got revive just about 1-2 minute so

[frozen turtle]

Zhiraok dying right after 🔥

[split night]

it didn't leave any impact

[split night]

and then got revived again

[frozen turtle]

Aledar's death is meant to be impactful

[split night]

CT please kill off a character for good don't be indecisive

😭

[frozen turtle]

even if we "could" technically i just think it would make the story feel less impactful

[split night]

just kill them and revive them doesn't feel impactful

[spring kernel]

Aledar's soul got shattered

[split night]

yeah that as well

Aledar literally cannot live at this point of story, for this universe maybe

hey at least we love him enough that there are two AU that have him be alive after SE

[frozen turtle]

we collect the aledar soul fragments so he can die peacefully for sure

i would be fine that with

not him reviving

[split night]

honestly, i think collect his soul fragment and then release him would be a really good send off for him

let him rest

[frozen turtle]

yeah, like it gives closure but doesnt like, just undo the entire death

[split night]

that would make me emotional for sure

xD

[frozen turtle]

zhiraok isj ust gonna chuck his amulet and Aledar will be back for sure

actually

[split night]

Didn't the amulet shatter at the end of apotheosis

[frozen turtle]

use a shattered amulet to revive a shattered soul 🤔

[mellow bone]

Who is Tasim why the hell did he so strong

What is his past

[frozen turtle]

Tasim is magically gifted (like he didnt need a foci) so probably part of the reason why

and he got blessing which made him stronger, other than that he's not that strong

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I feel like you get these question by just playing the game

[split night]

he is literally an antisocial nobody that is pretty much a gifted person like the Twain or Sui

within Fruma story he became MUCH stronger becuase he got blessed and become a Sovereign ( and Scion )

[split night]

yeah idk why people even ask these

xd

it's not that missable as well

[mellow bone]

Damn yk

Like I get curious

And I need answers before I find out

[frozen turtle]

how far into the questline are you

and tbf the thing about Tasim past is only really in recovered past which i havent really played in a while either

[compact agate]

Tasim and aledar forced Yaoi

[frozen turtle]

its fictional everythings "forced"

[mellow bone]

YEAH SOMEONE TOLD ME YESTERDAY

THAT ALEDAR AND TASIM ARE GAY

[frozen turtle]

well

Tasim is

[mellow bone]

TASIM GONE MAD AND BECAME LAST BOSS BC ALEDAR DIED

[frozen turtle]

Aledar unknown

[mellow bone]

Bro I believed that-

That dude prob made things up

[frozen turtle]

The Tasim side of it is pretty obvious, Aledar might be but like

[mellow bone]

I asked him why did Tasim get butterfly wing bc Aledar's love

[frozen turtle]

what

[mellow bone]

So Tasim is Gay?

[frozen turtle]

what is that dude making up

yeah

[mellow bone]

Wtf

[frozen turtle]

I think its uh

Linton which brings it up

[mellow bone]

Why would people make good characters gay

I don't understand

[split night]

does that make the character bad for you

xd

[mellow bone]

Its just make me feel like seeing Aledar and Tasim dating all the time

[split night]

it's just a trait a character posess

[mellow bone]

Instead of focusing on the main story

[split night]

like

[frozen turtle]

Linton: ...d'you like guys?
Tasim: ...

Tasim and Aledar thing is very non-focused imo

[split night]

There is literally no actual direct interaction of Tasim and Aledar gayness in game
we only get hints 😭

what kind of WynnCraft have you been playing

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont see how this affect the story

[mellow bone]

Maybe it is a joke?

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim and Aledar just character who happen to be gay and have feeling with each other

[split night]

Yeah like

how does this impair the story

[hybrid gazelle]

and it epxlain why Tasim are so close to Aledar compare to us

[frozen turtle]

Is it confirmed Aledar is gay too idk if i missed that part

[hybrid gazelle]

even if we are from the same caravan

[mellow bone]

Sigh

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure the writers have intent to make it more clear

[mellow bone]

They should have made the player gay too

[hybrid gazelle]

but overall Aledar talk about Tasim as much as Tasim talk about Aledar

[mellow bone]

So it is 3 gays in one caravan

I feel like it makes sense yk

[hybrid gazelle]

i mean sure

[frozen turtle]

have the player pick a gender so they can be g ay

[mellow bone]

No they should force

Player is 100% Gay

Aledar Gay

Tasim Gay

Player Gay

3 Gays in 1 Caravan

Makes Sense

Peak

[hybrid gazelle]

sure

[mellow bone]

Right?

[split night]

you can, i literally said <Character> is up to your interpretation and is your to decide upon

[hybrid gazelle]

you can see it that way so like

sure

[mellow bone]

I hope they add this as soon as possible next patch

[split night]

you can make your character gay sure

[frozen turtle]

fair, i think just cuz we dont see aledar i might've missed that part

[split night]

mine is yuri

[frozen turtle]

nah i think it should be forced, everything else can be an interperation

120%

[mellow bone]

Ok another question

[split night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777590827237113906/1096569083547357285/guh_-_Copy_-_Copy.gif

[mellow bone]

Why would Bob's mom tryna kill us after we exploded poop that blocked Ragni's sewer

[frozen turtle]

she liked the poop ig

[mellow bone]

It doesn't make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

corrupted tend to be aggressive

[mellow bone]

WTD

[split night]

she just killing anyone come close to her in general

it's corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

corrupted undead are all mindless aggressive

they are zombie

[mellow bone]

Also there are many corrupted poop

[hybrid gazelle]

because corruption can corrupt everything

[frozen turtle]

corruption made her attack you or did she really like the sewage?

[hybrid gazelle]

including the inaimate

[mellow bone]

So currupt will affect non living things too?

[frozen turtle]

who will ever know

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

corruption can aniamte the inanimate

[mellow bone]

So if The Player poop and throw it into corrupt area

Our poop become

[split night]

have you seen the poop in the decrepit sewer introduction quest attack you

[mellow bone]

Yes

[hybrid gazelle]

under certain condition probably

[mellow bone]

Damnn

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know the extact process

[mellow bone]

So if everyone in Ragni poop

[frozen turtle]

what is this

[mellow bone]

And throw it into currupt area

[frozen turtle]

talk

[mellow bone]

They can destroy the world

[hybrid gazelle]

sure

[slim belfry]

this is not the first time corrupted sewage was discussed

[frozen turtle]

they could also throw their nail clippings

[split night]

I always just interpret it as like, the corruption "Corrupt" the very bacteria in the poop, which animate the poop in the process
similar to a fungus taking the bacteria as like, a gateway to control seemingly inanimate thing

[mellow bone]

Damn wtf

[mellow bone]

Ohhhhh yeah it makes sense

So it was bacteria

In the form of poop

[split night]

this does mean that the Golem should be able to be corrupted as well

because there is something living in them

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

Golem should be corruptable

but so far the game never show us

but in theory, they can be

[frozen turtle]

what causes creatures to be corrupted

actually

like, we can stand over corruption and be fine

[hybrid gazelle]

well

from what we see from quest

[frozen turtle]

do we have to die or be inside the realm

[hybrid gazelle]

there are process to being corrupted

so first

it seems that there are stage

[slim belfry]

it's probably like radiation

[hybrid gazelle]

as we see in Angry Village quest

where people under the influence of spike are enrage

[mellow bone]

Because our past is Player's past and we live in the world of corruption so we have resistance of corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

these can be the sign of first stage of corruption

[mellow bone]

It makes sense yk

[hybrid gazelle]

but consider the ending of that quest

it seems that this early stage is reversable once the source of influence been removed

however it seems that at some point

if the victims die in these highly corrupted area

their corpse will be reanimate and at that point they are effectively dead

[split night]

I think I really like the idea that corruption can only infect living things, no MATTER the scale

So anything that is highly contaminated by bacteria can be reanimated just because it is "living" at the microscopic level
Like a skeleton seemingly have nothing left of the person to animate or be aggressive, but it could just be that the corruption is sprouting out from bacteria around and inside the bones to reanimate them

[frozen turtle]

im assuming that if the victims die or are inside the realm the corruption will be easier to corrupt them

[hybrid gazelle]

so far according to grookwart

that appear to be so

[mellow bone]

What happen if we eat something that is corrupted

[hybrid gazelle]

likely will affect us badly

but should not outright kill us

dependent on the corrupted level

probably

[mellow bone]

Will we become corrupt

[frozen turtle]

yeah it seems like

[hybrid gazelle]

well it seems that

you only become truly corrupted when you die

[frozen turtle]

near and in the portal, corruption power is very very strong

[hybrid gazelle]

so if you die by eating the said corrupted food

[split night]

yeah it should be
Corruption is stated to be something that start off healing the person first ( replace their dead cells )

when you die, there is literally nothing of you left so it replace you entirely

[hybrid gazelle]

you likely will be reanimated

[dim plover]

I still have no idea how some people forget that Corruption can also corrupt inanimate objects

[frozen turtle]

i also like the idea that when you're alive as well, you're able to resist corruption a bit, however again if there is too much you would get corrupted

[frozen turtle]

Corruption is weird

[dim plover]

Whenever CFF is mentioned people always go "Can the mechs be corrupted though? They're not living"

Like bro Corruption has corrupted literal ore

[split night]

Does this mean people with like, physical brain problem get corrupted and control easier?

[frozen turtle]

more like y ou're body is able to defend it like a virus

or disease

[mellow bone]

Okay so

1. People in Ragni's poop and stack inside Ragni's sewer

2. Force guilty people to eat Corrupted poop

3. They become corrupted

4. This can be very dangerous bc someone who has power to do this can create the whole corrupted army inside Ragni's sewer and if army becomes too big, Whole Ragni will be ruined and corrupted

[split night]

it's more fungus to me but yeah i agree

[split night]

why are you just talking about poop

[hybrid gazelle]

Auree

that graveyard is for dead ct

[split night]

corruption can infect normal food too

[split night]

oh-

[mellow bone]

Because it is very easy to make and it is free

[split night]

i didn't know that

[mellow bone]

If you get food, it costs you money

I'm talking about the easiest way

[hybrid gazelle]

I do not know the extact detail

[mellow bone]

That costs nothing

[hybrid gazelle]

but that graveyard is a mark of respect to one of the CT from what I recall

either from depression or cancer

though maybe CT would give better answer

[split night]

okay i removed the thing

sorry

[split night]

that does not answer my question

xd

[mellow bone]

Also I have another question

We have seen Theorick magic

And other magic that related to classes in game

[solid ibex]

edible

[frozen turtle]

is corruption seperate from just the war's influence or is it one in the same

[mellow bone]

But how are those magic different than what we can obtain

[split night]

no not really

it's just very mastered water element control

[hybrid gazelle]

the same

[frozen turtle]

ok yeah that makes sense why it can influence objects

[split night]

it's basically just cancer cells growing out of war

[frozen turtle]

Theorick/Most twain magic are able to control elements

Player uses foci to use spells, kinda controlling elements but not exactly idk how to describe it

is Theorick a manaweaver debate

[slim belfry]

if he talked about threads or something similar then he is

[split night]

Theorick is a manaweaver yeah, the debate is about whether or not he is a natural born one or the trained one

[slim belfry]

if not then just focus-less caster

[frozen turtle]

is he?

we dont know anything about manaweavers

[dim plover]

I wonder if Marius is an Earth Mage

Since the four Twain brothers take up the other four elements

[frozen turtle]

and I think the only connection is Sui's magic seems similar to Theoricks

[split night]

well we know for certain that they can cast spell without a focus

[frozen turtle]

is Tasim a manaweaver then?

I dont think so

[split night]

he hold a weapon to cast spell

[frozen turtle]

did he in recover the past or am i

[slim belfry]

nope

tasim uses his own mana

[frozen turtle]

yeah and we dont know how theorick uses his mana

[split night]

also manaweaver can be trained to become one

[dim plover]

With Zhiraok and Gale having Air powers I swear to god if we get some plot reveal that Sui is a descendant of Theorick's family in Fruma or smth

[frozen turtle]

.. source?

[split night]

Theorick could either be trained to become a manaweaver or born being one

[split night]

Two's last lines of dialog at the end of Apotheosis

[whole river]

Wouldn’t that straight up be impossible

Fruma closed its borders long ago

[dim plover]

No as in if Theorick actually came from Fruma and whatever family he was from eventually led to Sui

[dim plover]

Ok yeah but that didn't stop the Corkians

[whole river]

He didn’t though

[frozen turtle]

ah yeah A naturally-born manaweaver

[whole river]

He was raised as a Twain

[split night]

not direct decendents but COULD be related
since he is adopted by the Twain

[frozen turtle]

tho we dont really know what manaweaving is so hard to say if Theorick was one

[whole river]

They were leaving Fruma though, Theorick or an ancestor would’ve had to enter Fruma

[dim plover]

Yeah

[spring kernel]

A lot of people are making assumptions about manaweavers without any sources of info about manaweavers

[split night]

we have no information related to Theorick biological familly tree

[dim plover]

No as in if Theorick or an ancestor originated from Fruma

[whole river]

Yeah like technically Theorick is not a mana weaver until we actually get confirmation

[frozen turtle]

we got like 2 lines okay thats plenty

[whole river]

But again Theorick was an orphan so there’s no chance

[slim belfry]

the gist we have about mana weavers is that they see threads and can pull mana from a source outside themselves

[split night]

i'm gonna just punch the sandbag and call him one base on the evidence we have
otherwise we would literally have to invent a new category of magic user to categorize him

[dim plover]

Wacky theory though so I didn't really take it seriously

[whole river]

And saying “an ancestor” is so lazy cuz ancestry works in that we’re all distantly related

[dim plover]

Wait why does Theorick being an orphan disprove this

[frozen turtle]

I dont think element powers are biological

[whole river]

Fruma doesn’t send out orphan boys

[split night]

someone have to give birth to theorick

😭

[dim plover]

Yeah this^

[split night]

as if he just literally pop out of existent

chat are we cooked

😭

[frozen turtle]

fruma sent out someone, they had theorick, parent died at war

[whole river]

That’s a schizo theory that has no basis in anything though

[frozen turtle]

there is no basis tho yeah

[dim plover]

If we are delving into wacky unfounded fanfiction territory here, someone who had natural ice powers could have escaped from Fruma, birthed Theorick and sent him away to be adopted

[whole river]

Saying Theorick came from Orphion is just as valid lmao

[frozen turtle]

there are like 5 elements, i dont think everyone who uses 1 element is biologically related

[dim plover]

And then their family back home could have branched out to eventually having Sui in the modern age

[whole river]

Like the only connection is 0 connection

[split night]

it's a fun theory with no basis yeah, but like no need to beat it down i don't think anyone seriously believe this like the <character>-just-pop-into-existent-in-the-caravan-one-day theory

[whole river]

Because Theorick isn’t even a proven manaweaver

[dim plover]

We don't even know what a manaweaver is tbh

[whole river]

I’ve heard it like four times now that’s why I had to ask if I missed a CT comment

[dim plover]

We could be a manaweaver for all we know

[whole river]

We aren’t

[dim plover]

I guess Two never pointed us out when talking to Sui

[split night]

we actually don't know that btw

[weary sigil]

we know for certain we aren't

[whole river]

Yeah Two would’ve commented if so

[weary sigil]

we use mana

manaweavers do not

[split night]

we don't know what type of magic we are

[dim plover]

If we were I feel like Two would have said it

[whole river]

and we do need a weapon

[weary sigil]

we need a focus

[whole river]

Fruma quests proved hat

[weary sigil]

manaweavers do not

[dim plover]

we use mana
manaweavers weave it

[split night]

gameplay

?

[whole river]

No quest lore

[frozen turtle]

fair, i mean we know manaweavers can use magic with no training which also does sound like the Twains

he potentially is, though i think the only thing is the amount of manaweavers in Wynn then would be weird if it was apparently rare

[dim plover]

The Fruma quests established this

We need a weapon

[weary sigil]

manaweavers don't use their own mana, they use the mana from the weave

[whole river]

The player grabs his weapon in prison because he has no focus

[dim plover]

They even introduced the term focus

[weary sigil]

we use our own mana

[split night]

neat

[whole river]

Even Sui learned early on she didn’t need mana

So it’s impossible that we’re too dumb to figure it out

[split night]

why are you categorizing these two as if mana and magic are two different thing

[whole river]

especially after a year

[split night]

they are the same thing, it's just their source is different

manaweaver's source is their environment

[weary sigil]

?

[frozen turtle]

manaweaver is shaman?

[split night]

while a focus type person generally require their own mana

[weary sigil]

im describing different sources lol

[split night]

the ocean around Sui

[split night]

they are both mana