📚lore_discussion

[frozen turtle]

yeah cuz if she suddenly knew how to use all her magic in a combat sense

she'd win yeah but she doesnt

[whole river]

I meant the wynnverse

[shut mist]

Fair enough

[rustic nexus]

we need a name for the world of Wynn

[clear scaffold]

to be fair as well in the bak'al fight people are saying she's not trained but a lot of her pacifist skills really translate to lethal pretty well

[digital swan]

John Wynnplanet

[whole river]

Funny thing about healers is they know exactly where it hurts the most

[clear scaffold]

like lari was always fighting to weaken, she's now dropped the weakening and gone just for kills

[frozen turtle]

powerscaling is just stupid

[rustic nexus]

bak'al needs actual presence in quests before rol 5 bruh 😭 😭

[clear scaffold]

And you know what, i bet lari would be completely with us if we told her the truth about orphion

[digital swan]

ig it just really doesn't come off that well at all
They either have to superbuff the bossfight or just have a cutscene where she melts the player

[clear scaffold]

she has so many reasons to hate orphion

[frozen turtle]

also yeah, if they showed Bak'al as someone whose strong before RoL it would make her fight even cooler

[clear scaffold]

fruma did it for the queen so...

[young dock]

orphion can catch this smoke too

[whole river]

It’s not even like power scaling either cuz the thing is. IF the player was comparable to lari and Bakal, why would he stand around and watch his new friend fight Bakal?

[clear scaffold]

could happen in more story quests

[frozen turtle]

RoL needs a rework anyways

[rustic nexus]

he left her on read.....

[clear scaffold]

for 1000 years. And then jumped to us immediately like a fangirl

[whole river]

The player from what we know cares about his friends enough to not watch her fight this obvious evil ass dude

[digital swan]

the player is a he?

[clear scaffold]

but if the player joined the fight probably wouldn't of gone great

[rustic nexus]

no

the player is they them

[frozen turtle]

would Lari of also had a power boost because she was in the RoL

[digital swan]

I always thought she
cuz like either the skyraiders are blind as shit or

[rustic nexus]

she does

[frozen turtle]

i feel like that would've helped

[whole river]

I just use he for me the player is whatever the person playin wants em to be

[rustic nexus]

it's literally stated

[frozen turtle]

yeah so

[rustic nexus]

when you enter rol

[whole river]

Ok tbf that’s part of the joke of that quest lol

[clear scaffold]

that quest is just weird

[rustic nexus]

the skyraiders get fooled by your disguise

so yes

they are blind

[digital swan]

IT'S A HAT THO

[frozen turtle]

her triumph over Bak'al still yk cool but not exactly the battle it actually was

[rustic nexus]

yes.

[digital swan]

player she/they compromise?

[whole river]

Technically light was weakened with the parasite there and they mentioned it wasn’t in full power

[frozen turtle]

still, being like in the realm, basically right next to Orphion would def help a scion

[whole river]

Agenda posting is bad

[clear scaffold]

i do wonder how lari would react when we tell lari

[whole river]

Same Orphion already captured?

😭

[clear scaffold]

because i could see her wanting to ally with the player who she has more reasons to like

[whole river]

Plus there’s nothing indicating that a scion gets a boost next to their beast

[frozen turtle]

unproductive conversation lowkey

[whole river]

Let’s stop the larp

[rustic nexus]

I can see lari reacting positively and negatively to what we wish to do to both beasts ngl

[whole river]

She probably will either not like that decision or get fed up with Orphion

[main dust]

Orphion is selfish beyond measures and only cares effectively about getting more territory control but I don't believe he was morally reqiured to fix Lari.
Pacifism is what warded Orphion off from helping and maintaining Lari as a fixture in the protection of Light and I don't want to spent twenty years of my life trying to fix someone who is a certain way - Orphion is incredibly selfish about it, yes but also he truly wants someone who will just solve the problem for him (which he chose palyer for).

I don't want to spend my time helping someone who needs me every day to help improve their own mentally-secured solidified beliefs in the morality of killing and hurting when I could be helping people that actively are hoping to grow, like people that go to therapy hoping to help their worst problems.

[clear scaffold]

i think it really depends, the entire ignored for 1000 years might actually leave a sour taste enough, especially with the entire dullahan debacle.

[main dust]

No one deserves to be stuck their whole life with someone that needs a vent partner 24/7 or to be fixed 24/7

[whole river]

Lari realizing that Orphion watched dullahan turn evil for the lols

[main dust]

You all have lives too.

[clear scaffold]

then don't give them powers.

[digital swan]

what are you guys opinion on
when we recover Lari from Realm of Dern (probably in a straitjacket, even a Lari is probably going insane in Dern [we will not go insane because we lack the brains to go insane, we are too stupid to comprehend the horrors]), should we deliver her to Dullahan so he can get revenge by sending her to the Dullacastle Torture Machines

[main dust]

Well yes, but that's Orphion's problemm

Not enough options, too much haste.

He wants that magic little minion

Selfish prick

[rustic nexus]

I do also see the possibility of lari siding with us and being like "yeah you know what, screw that dog*

[main dust]

Bak'al is just Saphanis' Lari and at least that one just follows orders like an idiot (but the specific ones like 'Kill this city!')

[clear scaffold]

to be fair as well, lari is actually kinda more caring for the player

she doesn't even argue with the player in Rol V to her credit.

[main dust]

Orphion is legitimately a terrible person

Actively.

[clear scaffold]

like she's just protecting them, helping them out gladly.

[rustic nexus]

we don't know that exactly

[digital swan]

or would this be considered rude by Lari fans

[rustic nexus]

we know bakal is a scion of war

but we dont know if he became a proper scion of dark

[clear scaffold]

i wonder if bak'al was always an idiot or if that was just being corrupted

[whole river]

Also that he’s the real deal, not just a sovereign

[rustic nexus]

if anything there's proof to suggest the opposite

[main dust]

Oh, I apologize - I'm speaking more on the narrative of his role, he's playing the Lari equilavant even if he's not literally apart of that

At the minute our scenes are things like him in front of Saphanis' throne and shit

[slender copper]

the player being too dumb to go insane instead of having a source of strength within them is really funny.

[frozen turtle]

He plays the role of Darks scion but is just wars scion

[rustic nexus]

yeah narratively he serves somewhat the same role

[digital swan]

I'm not even wrong btw

[whole river]

It’s so funny because the lore devs have to balance Bakal having to be strong af and also acknowledging that Bob beat that man into the concrete

[clear scaffold]

they really need to redo the bob vs bak'al lore

make it more like two powerful forces.

[rustic nexus]

they need to redo the bob lore period

[whole river]

The fact it wasn’t even close is so bad for Bakal fans like me

[clear scaffold]

Old bob lore tbf

like the ragni stuff

[frozen turtle]

Redo bob bakal and lari lore please

[clear scaffold]

i think the letters are fine

[digital swan]

what about removing Bob and replacing him with the military strength of a true autocratic regime

[rustic nexus]

so just fruma

[digital swan]

(Kingdom of Ragni

[clear scaffold]

issue is, game seems to be possibly implying bob is central to the power for dern beast

which kinda makes things weird if that is actually the case

Unless we're getting a scion of darkness.. oh god bob as that would somehow be the most ok then moment

[digital swan]

Scion of Darkness's real name is Jimmy, but he's never told us that so we just know him as Black Sans from the Dern Portal

[slender copper]

o_o wait was that explained canonically?

[clear scaffold]

ok i'll be honest, in new lore the player isn't that dumb

like new content just makes the player reasonable, old content the player is very.... weird?

[digital swan]

The player is ALWAYS dumb they just like got smarter by 2 iq point

now they are high enough iq to function properly

still dumb tho

[clear scaffold]

i kinda hope older content gets remade so the player isn't stupid to the point it's questionable if they're actually murderous or not

[digital swan]

WHAT

I saw a ping get deleted

who.

[main dust]

Filter

I'll rewrite lmao

[digital swan]

get filter'd idiot ig

[main dust]

I don't think Dullahan should just get to Crazy 'I'm gonna kill everyone' Disorder kill Lari for what she did to him - he's going to continue being the person he became if he was still in his mortal body but she sorely needs to mend the damage she actually had a direct hand (but not having a hand) in causing.
LARI was the most powerful of the two, she caused a passionate protector to die.

You need to mend relationships, not kill out of the hatred.

Filter hates to see someone wanting to reply to someone - I didn't want you to get ignored is all

😔

[digital swan]

@rustic nexus filter hates you I think

[slender copper]

Those two iq points brought the player to defeating a lesser beast, imagine if they get three 💀.

[main dust]

Well curse that filter!
I'm still going to reply to you - no one should just get bombarded and missed when they asked a genuine question.

You are a person like anyone else here and I hardly know you and shouldn't just treat you like shit because you what; asked a question? Also you're being pretty real.

As in I like the shit you say

[digital swan]

So like
opinion on Black Sans being Scion of Darkness?

[main dust]

Unfortunately not everything.
But you can curse me and get the filter to delete me forever for that one

I don't think we're getting that lmao

Prove it can hapepn

[digital swan]

I need more Black Sans content rn

[main dust]

😔 May you get what you want, 2005

Gotta cook some curry now but it was nice typing

[digital swan]

I hope they move AHC to like level 122, and add a level 103 quest from Black Sans where he shows you Black Papyrus Greg

Realm of Darkness I, the Void Holes :bartek:

and then Black Sans becomes Realm of Darkness Questline version of Lari idfk

[split night]

what

[digital swan]

we All love him

[split night]

you mean Nightmare Sans?

what the hell

[digital swan]

nah he's chill Nightmare is too extreme

[rustic nexus]

wtf

[split night]

who is black sans??

[digital swan]

??? from AHC

[rustic nexus]

that's such a crackpot theory

[split night]

oh you mean the drug dealer

[rustic nexus]

I think it's more likely that saphanis has no scion

[digital swan]

HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF MY THEORIES?????

[split night]

i just refer to him as drug dealer

[digital swan]

this is also kinda true

guy got insane hallucinogens

[rustic nexus]

I'm on that corrupted soul token pack

[digital swan]

nah but like ??? from AHC and Greg

Black Sans and Black Papyrus

fight me

[rustic nexus]

yes

that's an ancient community meme

[digital swan]

@split night ye it is in fact Black Sans

[rustic nexus]

holy moly

[limber swan]

of course it doesn't have a scion but wtf is the source of it's power? only explanation I can come up with is that for the better part of two decades it's been using Bob's power

cause Bob went into the realm of darkness 16 years ago

[digital swan]

@sleek carbon gm yyojer

[limber swan]

thats the better part of two decades

that shit is linked

[digital swan]

what the fuck

just searched up "yyojer" in full server and did you guys never know yy as yyojer until like a year ago?

[narrow kestrel]

kander quests are pmo

i dont get the whole monarchy vs cult vs villagers thing

😭

[digital swan]

Basically the cults are monarchists

I think

[narrow kestrel]

talor is apparently not part of the whole parasite cult shit

and they're associated with the monarchy

??

how does that work

[digital swan]

which makes a lot of sense if you think about it

remember how

the villagers are expansionists and anti-elf, and are known to have some disdain for elvish religion, and so it's not a huge leap to guess that the gavellian monarchy has probably tried to attack the Guardian of the Forest, and likely some material gained from raids would be brought back to the Gavellian palace
And we know that Guardian of the Forest material results in immortality, as seen in Aldorei
so most likely the Gavellian Monarchy would be associated with immortality, and if the monarchists want to make their candidate for the monarchy have ANY legitimacy at ALL that candidate needs to be immortal
and you know what dabbling in the occult to get immortality results in
so eventually that group became a cult and tried to use the parasite for immortality

and the monarchist cult is going to be anti-Gavellian government

they want to overthrow the current Gavellian democracy

[narrow kestrel]

yes but why would the talor mages be after them

if talor is supposedly pro-monarchy as well

[digital swan]

talor is pro-monarchy?

[narrow kestrel]

i mean they were running from them in Ways of the Wicked no?

[digital swan]

I thought talor's whole thing was just for peace and protection

for Dark Forest residents

[narrow kestrel]

the pastor is

but the quest involving the church got removed so might have been retconned 🤷‍♂️

[digital swan]

I thought he was just anti-current Gavellian govt

because they're neglecting Dark Forest

and would like the next democratically elected leader to give more representation and attention to it

[digital swan]

oh in the Naragath quest? I think he was pro monarchist there but that quest is gone and is also ass so idc what it says :/

[narrow kestrel]

present day SDs are so weird lmfao

girl you are in DERN

lock in

[formal bridge]

I find it hilarious that a journey beyond doesn't require The Mercenary to be done

So you can go through all of Fruma and return to Almuj to find Aledar just hanging out

[brittle prism]

a few days ago i was doing queen's recruit on my archer profile for fun and on my way to ragni tasim jumpscared me about getting herbs for ope

[narrow kestrel]

dark forest

UD

is so fucking lame

😭

[rustic nexus]

it's okay

the light forest ultimate discovery makes up for it

it's hype

[exotic bough]

yeah but on the topic of bad ult discs

cotl **needs **a rework

runner-up in the most pointless ults (i think we all know which one adds the least lore to the game)

[light zealot]

Even its name sounds awesome.

Ne du Valeos du Ellach

[hybrid gazelle]

I love how the biggest action thst the parasite been building up

Is in ult discovery

Not even part of rol

This fucking story is so backward man

[light zealot]

I know. Most of Gavel needs a lot of story work

[rustic nexus]

if I had a nickel for each character secret discoveries had to carry hard as fuck, I'd have two nickels

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft writing philosophy back then literally shoving most of the cool thing that important story into fucking sd

Like

Why

[light zealot]

Dwarves and Doguns should really factor into the War of the Realms in my opinion since it is basically the big level 90-100 questline

[rustic nexus]

I like how fruma has cutscenes outside of the player's pov at the end of quests

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma if it was made back in these day probably gonna have Gikyo entirely exist in sd

[rustic nexus]

I mean....

it's like

half of them

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah exactly

And 60% of the queen appearance is in sd

Like

God I fucking hate gavel

@rustic nexus Hear me out

[rustic nexus]

what is it

get it quick cuz anni is starting

in less than a minute

[hybrid gazelle]

Province the size of fruma
Content of Gavel
Dead space of Wynn
Biome planning of Corkus
Level distribution of Ocean

The blue print for the next expansion

[rustic nexus]

lmfao

[hybrid gazelle]

Also on top of sd

Like god this make me appreciate fruma more

Fruma sd aftually feel like extra tid bit that expand on existing concept

That enchance the story than entirely hinge on it

Gavel sd introduce random shit like canyon crystal and it like

This is never important or cool for world building

The closet thing Ike this in fruma is the raccoon sd but at least tell us aboht the abandoned underground system

And it pretty cute so it got a pass

[exotic bough]

doing shrouded in mist and i found this in the checklist

implies wastelands were originally like the mistwoods or smth like that

[mystic remnant]

is his name hugs rurie

[exotic bough]

also kisses rurie and smth else rurie

[regal spire]

Wastelands

[inland violet]

I just did the missing piece for the first time and i can't get over how beautifully tragic the story is

[low ether]

The dipshit was doing the xoxo thing with actual words LOL

Which on the one hand why tho
but on the other yeah that tracks for his character ngl

last thing was Love iirc

[restive yacht]

Ok so is Tasim alt route completely dead?

[low ether]

Unfinished from what I gather

[restive yacht]

Didn't know minecraft could make me cry ngl

[restive yacht]

I left off with: "we didn't make it in time, we gave it too much hype on beta. "

[hybrid gazelle]

That a region so no

[restive yacht]

Asking cause tasim got into some looksmaxing

[low ether]

Updated portraits go brrr, but yeahhhh, that alt route? not finished yet, so all you get is railroaded

[restive yacht]

My second playthrough can wait a little longer

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim alt route will be add in patch note

For now it unfinished cause of the burnout

[drifting aurora]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

but is Tasim himself dead?

[digital swan]

will it release before or after BLOOMI

[signal bough]

is Rurie's first name Hugs?

[frozen turtle]

I am kinda liking that the alt route isn’t implemented because I think most people would pick to tell Tasim so kinda making us pick thst one first is cool

[digital swan]

I think alt route should be paid access

salted needs a new yacht sometime

[low ether]

Negative, he's doing the xoxo thing but with words

His name, as far as we're aware anyway, is Rurie

[clever quartz]

How will wasteland affect lore

Like new sovereign and prison place and such

[hybrid gazelle]

just expand on existing lore

such as cosmic stuff

possibilty

we dont know what the main focus on wasteland story yet

[low ether]

Gods im hoping we help break into the prison instead of it happening off screen

[hybrid gazelle]

so cant say for sure

[frozen turtle]

for apothesis they should've just had the queen knock out the player and we wake up and just get a 65 page dialogue from Tasim explaining what happened

[low ether]

..So the wynn province special?

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean

[low ether]

Constantly hit upside the head and waking up elsewhere, dialogue optional

[hybrid gazelle]

huh wait

can you elborate more

[low ether]

Yeahah early quests were rather...concussion happy as a method of taking you to whatever location the quest requires

Not even were, they still are. Least in Fruma you get KO'd once and transported, but ig that one makes sense considering how dangerous the player is

[mystic fulcrum]

Should allow player to knock out Tasim and bring him back to wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly

as much as I wish there deeper writing in this frequent occurence

[dim plover]

I mean we did knock put a bunch of people in the bread factory

[hybrid gazelle]

it probably just the writers using knock out as a crunch to get where they want the player t ogo but in organic way

we odnt see much in later quest

because the writers actually get better

[low ether]

Yeh yeh, early quests are concussion happy, later ones not as much

[hybrid gazelle]

so they relying less of crutch

[low ether]

Fruma has it happen once and again, that one makes sense

Still made me mad cause that's another TBI for the wynncraftian/player LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

player skull weak

[low ether]

Strong skull, squishy brain

[mystic fulcrum]

Another alternative story is player go on a killing spree and wipe out all fruman soldiers

[winged narwhal]

Beyond the Grave rework where instead of Krolton killing the player a guy trying to knock them out and bring them to the next quest location accidentally just cracks their skull open

[formal bridge]

200 wave world event to wipe out the entirety of the fruman military to end the questline early

[low ether]

Every copy of wynncraft is personalized, so this can happen if someone wants it to happen, story-wise

[young dock]

Wave fifty is like 80 snipers from the weapons factory

[formal bridge]

wave 100 is 80 more snipers

[young dock]

We just get ten waves of pest controllers

[winged narwhal]

Next April fools update should just put snipers and pest controllers in the raid

[young dock]

Foolish paladin who accidentally used provoke on all the snipers

[mystic fulcrum]

Should add landmines in wartorn palace raid

[granite gate]

i am guilty of this

in my defense it was a horror quest

[hybrid gazelle]

The funny side effect of this is due to how often it used

This imply backside of the player head is their archille heel

The queen should have use that Ngl

If only she know

[granite gate]

tbf if i had to revisit hollow serenity i would have made it a running sequence where you fail to escape garvan and get slammed against the floor instead of just walking out and getting immediately knocked out

[hybrid gazelle]

It fine for what it is but yeah that would be better

There still far worse crutch to use in story

Like teleport

[slender copper]

Just thinking of the queen accidently bumping the player's head when passing by and immediately knocks them cold.

[hybrid gazelle]

Notice how the player getting brutally beat down by the queen but they still standing

Rhat befause the backside of their head is untouch

[slender copper]

I just realized, the player is the embodiment of that one quote from Thanos.

[low ether]

Least Gikyo knew that going for the back of our head would work! Then again they probably do that for future torture victims

[tepid blade]

which one?

[hybrid gazelle]

And that why Gikyo is dead

They are too dangerous

[slender copper]

"You should have aimed for the neck."

[hybrid gazelle]

They know of player’s weak point

[granite gate]

i wish i had the motivation to work on wynn last year i would have pumped out some gas
i was 15-16 when i did the vast majority of my content

[low ether]

They're dangerous but so are we

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah can relate

[granite gate]

i had a draft of a quest that got shot down in 2020 that i found the doc for (cuz it was mid) and then i rewrote it for fun and god damn if i could have ever implemented this it genuinely would have blown my best work out of the water

[hybrid gazelle]

Damn

[granite gate]

took adult me 4 hours of thinking to outclass my crown jewel 💔

[hybrid gazelle]

Wait you wrote hollow serenity right?

[granite gate]

i designed and scripted it finn wrote the story

[hybrid gazelle]

Ah I see

[granite gate]

i fine tuned the story a bit but 90% of the backstory was him

[dim plover]

I hope this isn’t taken as harsh criticism or anything but Hollow Serenity feels like a really good quest that also doesn’t feel like it belongs in the current iteration of Wynncraft

Maybe it’s specifically my own tastes though

It feels like a completely different “theme” compared to all the whimsical albeit occasionally violent and dark other Wynnquests

Although if Wynncraft had more quests like Hollow Serenity that’ll fix it

Keep up the cool content

[astral void]

I kinda agree with this

But at the same time I kinda adore how in one quest we could be helping a woc obsessed man

And the other we're uncovering the most twisted cult mystery case ever

[formal bridge]

I think hollow serenity works way better in the theoretical kander forest rework

It just hasn't hapened yet lmao

[limber swan]

Hollow Serenity is fucking awesome

lowkey though

we need a horror quest

in Fruma

it should be in the wastelands

[hasty beacon]

yea horror quests are cool

dern better have a shit ton of them

i want to be afraid to do dern quests

[hybrid gazelle]

Hollow serenity is fit for what Dark Forest meant to be

and decay for that matter

beside more variety of quests better

Wynncraft is a big world

many stories can take place and some of them can be funny or serious

[formal bridge]

It feels a lot like one of the fruma side quests actually

Getting you in the vibe of the region you're in really well

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah extactly

that what quest meant to be LOL

[formal bridge]

It just sticks out like a sore thumb cause the rest of the dark and kander forests aren't that lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

utilize the region to its fullest to tell a story

and not

whatever the fuck most gavel quests are most of hte itme

Shrek moment

[formal bridge]

I was just about to mention the shrek quest lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

it weird cause most of the quest in decay area to tackle on people desperation

but it just

[formal bridge]

Or the random modern prison with a CCTV system

[limber swan]

I fucking hate that quest

[hybrid gazelle]

did not come across quite well compare to Hollow serenity

[hybrid gazelle]

forbidden prison could be so much better if you detatch dulalhan from it

becuase it literally like

it go nowhere lOL

there is no reason for Dullahan to be involve at all

it do nothing for Dullahan character

because you know damn well beyond ROL, Dullahan character lost his flame

[hasty beacon]

the prison one was fun tho

[hybrid gazelle]

decay area would be so nice as a way to show how villager government neglect their people

and m,aybe even take advantage of them like Urelix company

[hasty beacon]

gavel reborn 2🥹

[hybrid gazelle]

god

most of these quests are so forgettable

let me take a look for some memory jolt

death whistle is fine

like

fine as in it try nothing

so it not that remarkable, it could stay as what it is but also would be nice if it change

though consider the grand scheme of thing

it might as well get change to show explore olux swamp

the shadow of the beast is odd cause

wtf you mean there is giant ass monster running around

master piece is also the same with death whistle

it fine

change would be cool but not really needed

god looking at these quest level range

god mid game is such a mess

[dim plover]

I don’t know how to properly describe it but Hollow Serenity feels like finding a Maze Runner book in a shelf full of Geronimo Stilton

While both are respective pieces of literary art the former doesn’t really appeal to me

(And sure didn’t when I was a good number of years younger than I currently am checking if the next Geronimo Stilton book was out)

I did read the Maze Runner series though it was okay I guess but I kinda stopped understanding what’s going on after the first book

[hasty beacon]

wait are they deadass still making geronimo stilton books

there was like 100 when i was in third grade

[dim plover]

Idk

I wouldn’t doubt if they were

[full jackal]

So like what would be the opposite of that though?

[mossy badge]

Gavel, fruma, fruma, fruma, gavel/idk

[frozen turtle]

biome for the industrial district is just like, house

fruma has good biome planning, probably the best out of all provinces

[mossy badge]

Tbh most of biomes are good/fine except corkus 🔥

[frozen turtle]

or SE

[frozen turtle]

I dont like the western gavel biomes

[mossy badge]

Ye true

[frozen turtle]

or well

[mossy badge]

Llevigar plains 🔥

[frozen turtle]

mainly llevigar plains and that the north part is all just dark, dark, dark

and i still will never understand why the dark forest is dark but whatever

[mossy badge]

Frog bog is olux swamp if it was good lowk

[frozen turtle]

actuall

i love frog bog

replace olux and llevigar with frog bog

[mossy badge]

Tbh how could llevigar plains even be improved

Without just replacing it ofc

[frozen turtle]

it needs to just be cooler

give it a proper theme as well apart from "plains"

[dim plover]

Do mounts have any lore regarding how they are summoned

Do the whistles magically teleport them or does the player canonically have all the mounts just following behind them during their adventures

Tbh the second one sounds kinda cool

Imagine the player riding a horse while an Adasaur and a Wyvern above them following close behind

[hybrid gazelle]

gameplay convenient

it's up to how your interept it

but it hold somei mplication depending on how you interept it

that can be very strange

[shy hemlock]

the whole summoning a demon thing is also really weird, they should tie that to the realms. Make it a dark creature or a war creature or smth i dunno.

if it were war the consequences would be big since it’d start spread in Gavel too so that probably should be the way

[frozen turtle]

you whistle so loud it creates like a vacuum in the air which pulls the mount towards you

[drifting aurora]

honestly disagree

[frozen turtle]

I think Dwarves and Doguns, mainly the doguns should focus a bit more on the physical plane side of things

[shy hemlock]

even if it doesnt the demon that is (almost) summoned should be

[frozen turtle]

not reallly light, dark or war

[drifting aurora]

no

[shy hemlock]

then what is the demon supposed to be

[frozen turtle]

that demon was very elemental imo, not really dark or light related

[drifting aurora]

we have demon lore already, its just not super well represented in game

[frozen turtle]

maybe not elemental but

[drifting aurora]

but like. we know what garaheth is

[shy hemlock]

then the gavel quests should represent those themes a bit better

[drifting aurora]

yes i agree

[shy hemlock]

tbh i started after gavel reborn and even then gavel always felt a bit weird to play

[frozen turtle]

I mean, its not clear what a demon is but i dont see how they are related to RoW

[shy hemlock]

It feels too big and disconnected for me, especially after RoL when you go into the canyon and the stuff after the canyon

[rustic nexus]

dwarves and doguns as its own story already has enough ground to cover, imo
no need to shoehorn the realms storyline into it

[shy hemlock]

Maybe

[drifting aurora]

demons in wynn lore are not conceptually all firey monsters. its just garaheth is like The only example in game and he is stereotypically demonic

[frozen turtle]

Garaheth also seems very like just a creature (probably just because we go inside and see its organs)

[drifting aurora]

it's a problem we are well aware of

[shy hemlock]

When one speaks of a demon in wynn i think of anni

[drifting aurora]

anni is a devil

[rustic nexus]

devils and demons are different types of creatures

the spawn from the war portal ware devils

[frozen turtle]

naming is confusing ig from war

[drifting aurora]

honestly we probably need to just change the name of the demon category because it gives off the wrong impression

[shy hemlock]

True

[rustic nexus]

yeah probably

[shy hemlock]

It could be some sort of elemental rather than a demon

[rustic nexus]

would cause less confusion for people

[frozen turtle]

he's also refered to as a Fire demon, which makes it kinda obvius ig that their not always fire related

call them.. nomed

[shy hemlock]

beast of fire

elemental beast

heh

[drifting aurora]

well no it is a demon. but what "demon" means in wynn is not the typical "demon from hell" concept

[mossy badge]

Very creative

[shy hemlock]

I know

[full jackal]

Okay this is a crackpot theory I know

The physical plane was created by 5 elementals before Light and Dark

[dim plover]

Across the planet?
Most powerful weapon discovered, why can’t we use this in combat

[full jackal]

They eventually left the physical plane to its own devices

The elementals shaped the world using their own essence

[shy hemlock]

oh yeah what the hell is those godlike things in premajesty fruma about

[frozen turtle]

why would you wanna pull the boss towards you obviously

Garaheth is obviously the realm beast of the fire element

[rustic nexus]

i don't think so

[mossy badge]

Garaheth is a fraud, all praise nifilis

🔥

[drifting aurora]

well what do you think theyre about

[full jackal]

I mean I wouldn’t imagine that…

[shy hemlock]

i dont know

[full jackal]

Demons would be elemental beasts

[frozen turtle]

Garaheth is credited for creating life for the doguns

[drifting aurora]

i phrased that poorly

let me try again

[dim plover]

Horse Whistle [Wand] [Mythic]

+5000 Air Damage
+Mantis Shrimp: Using the weapon sucks in all enemies that exist and multiplies your damage by 150000%

[mossy badge]

W wand

[shy hemlock]

how creative, put this guy in ct

[frozen turtle]

Canyon Collusus is obviously realm beast of earth element, and Garaheth is realm beast of fire like it's obvious

[drifting aurora]

how about the other colossus

[frozen turtle]

i cant spell colossus

[mossy badge]

*colossi

lol

[rustic nexus]

the collosi are just constructs

[dim plover]

The thing literally pulls your horse from the stable to you in less than a millisecond

With a force like that you could pummel any creature into mush in an instant

[shy hemlock]

what realm’s beast is lari

[frozen turtle]

im just joking about cuz doguns are made from apparently colussus's and garaheth so

[rustic nexus]

none

she is a scion of light though

[frozen turtle]

realm beast of poor character writing

[shy hemlock]

my hearts 💔

[drifting aurora]

no thats me actually

[mossy badge]

Colossus or stone from which the colossi are made 🤔

[frozen turtle]

"which are told to be made out of stone from the Canyon Colossus."

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[frozen turtle]

the canyon colussus obviously made stone itself therefore they're the realm beast of earth guys

i have no idea how accurate the wiki is on garaheth

tho

[rustic nexus]

I think the doguns calling the colossi and garageth as their creators is simply a story passed down through generations, where originally it was whatever higher being represented fire and earth

[drifting aurora]

the way the doguns describe it, their shells are formed by the colossi and they were given life by garaheth

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt

[mossy badge]

Garaheth seems like a higher being representing fire 🤔

[frozen turtle]

also its weird we never see any other "demons", or maybe we have but we didnt call them that who knos

[dim plover]

No it is real and TCC and Garaheth are happily married with ten thousand dogun children

[mossy badge]

Ye lowk dont know tf ct is talkin about "demons"

[split night]

The Colossus and Garaheth ship??
are they happily married

[hybrid gazelle]

can you make expansion with the size of Fruma, content drought of SE, dead space of Gavel, worldbuilding of Wynn, and biome planning of Corkus

please

[drifting aurora]

im good thanks

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

[rustic nexus]

this will be bloomi in 2016

[shy hemlock]

dern?

[frozen turtle]

its called a super flat world

[shy hemlock]

Actually nah bro

Thats RoL

[mossy badge]

Its called cmosier plains

[frozen turtle]

they are "demons" but idk what demons really are in Wynn so

[shy hemlock]

realm of light is such a nothingburger of a zone

[mossy badge]

Truke

If they'll make dern but keep rol as it is, im gonna be disappointed

[drifting aurora]

i do like the doguns a lot

[dim plover]

They should expand the map towards the left (Westward) and add a bunch more ocean space

So they can have plenty of space for like, I dunno, like an abnormally huge island or something like that just putting it out there

[hybrid gazelle]

the doguns,,,

[dim plover]

Doguns are cool

[hybrid gazelle]

actually I forgot what you want for the doguns

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[hybrid gazelle]

are they meant to be for spec evo or full on fantasy

[frozen turtle]

there are also just a lot of definitions of demons that Garaheth being a "demon" kinda means nothing

[shy hemlock]

Realm of Light should not be relevant to the story for a while after RoL V but it should have content like how the void got outer void

[rustic nexus]

they're gonna have to move so many out of map areas

[hybrid gazelle]

acutally nvm they eant to be full on fantasy consider they are creation of Garaheth

[split night]

i have a better idea
the size of gavel, worldbuilding of Fruma, biome planning of SE, Content from Wynn and dead space of Corkus

[hybrid gazelle]

I need to do my redesign on Doguns again

[rustic nexus]

and alter teleport commands

[dim plover]

Shouldn’t have built them so close then

But yeah more ocean would be nice

[shy hemlock]

isnt that good

[dim plover]

Enough ocean to add a large landmass

With like

[split night]

yes it was meant to be good

[dim plover]

Stuff on said landmass

Like

Uh

[frozen turtle]

expanding the map is probably not a concern for a while

[dim plover]

Plants

[mossy badge]

Me when im wondering the roughworks mountains and hear the slime dungeon music 🗣️

[rustic nexus]

I'm honestly surprised some fruma out-of-map areas are still so close to the main map

[drifting aurora]

i dont think we need more ocean. i think we need to make better use of the space we have

[dim plover]

(Corkus 2)

[frozen turtle]

ocean rework ❤️

[dim plover]

Ngl the ocean feels kinda tiny even without Voxy

[hybrid gazelle]

dont worry Soosu will make ocean drinker 5000 that will drain the ocean dry

[split night]

more SE or more gavel honestly work fine for me

[frozen turtle]

quality > quantity guys

[hybrid gazelle]

and now we can comically pull Gavel and Wynn together

[shy hemlock]

I would say it would be cool to expand the map down vertically with an underground city but height limit issues i think

[hybrid gazelle]

thus removing ocean as a whole

[rustic nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-horse-drinking-all-water-of-the-world-gif-7510983101927259744

[dim plover]

Can’t they just dig a giant trench from Jofash into Ahms to solve that

[frozen turtle]

where would the water go

[dim plover]

The ocean is so close to the Sky Islands lmao

[shy hemlock]

Plus Molten Heights tries to be this somewhat

[frozen turtle]

would the ocean be like north of gavel and south of wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

ocean drinker 5000

[drifting aurora]

my special little guys

[dim plover]

Why are Doguns

[hybrid gazelle]

IT so sad how Doguns can only exist in few region

[drifting aurora]

the ocean is the ocean

[dim plover]

I forgot what I was about to ask

[hybrid gazelle]

because anywhere lese, they just drying up

[rustic nexus]

I honestly forgot the doguns had a unique language

[mossy badge]

Lowk wish if it was the case, like monumenta map

[shy hemlock]

my little special guy is zhiarok

[hybrid gazelle]

like look at Inoes LOL

[dim plover]

Do doguns have eyes

[rustic nexus]

yea?

[hybrid gazelle]

ALSO
W

WTF YOU MEAN INEOS HAVE NO WIKI PAGE???

[shy hemlock]

zhiarok third times the desireable solution nasin ❤️

[frozen turtle]

we should pour lava across the entire map so doguns can live everywhere

[drifting aurora]

they are beings made of stone and fire

[dim plover]

I just assumed their face is that cool mask looking pattern

[hybrid gazelle]

WTF YOU MEAN GENERAL ELIX

HAS WIKI PAGE

BUT NOT INOES

[drifting aurora]

i dont think they have traditional organs

[dim plover]

Does this mean that they’re like robots

They’re kinda inorganic so

Is it just magical construct

[drifting aurora]

they sure are something

[hybrid gazelle]

Cut to doguns cooking up meat implying they capable of digesting meat

[dim plover]

Who’s Inoes again

[drifting aurora]

are you a fan of Blue dogunscript or Orange dogunscript

[frozen turtle]

Doguns dont eat meat for survival, they eat it for the hunt of it

[slim belfry]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Infection_Ad_Infinitum

[rustic nexus]

the dogun from breaking point

[hybrid gazelle]

ineos

[drifting aurora]

he is Igneous

[mossy badge]

Yo what is ts 😭

[rustic nexus]

THERES TWO???

[slim belfry]

wdym blue and orange

?????

[mossy badge]

Iirc they use a mix of them

[drifting aurora]

^-^

[rustic nexus]

sobbing

[hybrid gazelle]

wait question

since we see dogun scrip in TCC fight

[rustic nexus]

we should've figured out that fruma was gonna have a unique, proper language

[split night]

dogun have two seperate languagses??

[hybrid gazelle]

does that mean doguns been using Colossi programing language as their language?

[drifting aurora]

i think most of the dogunscript ingame is Blue dogunscript

theres only a couple instances of Orange dogunscript

[mossy badge]

Kinda

[dim plover]

This was a triumph.
I’m making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS.

[drifting aurora]

like uhhhh. binding sigils and Fire! or was it Fight. i forgor

[mossy badge]

I thought 1 color is vowel other is consonant

[dim plover]

It’s hard to overstate
my satisfaction.

[drifting aurora]

well the wiki does this to show how the language is structured

its monochromatic in game

i oughta add more dogunscript texts

the Problem is its a pain in the ass

[mossy badge]

If its monochromatic then fym there's orange and blue

[slim belfry]

yeah someone should edit that image to be green and blue or something

[drifting aurora]

oh, you know.

[frozen turtle]

what about colourblind doguns

[slim belfry]

think about it
what's related to the script that has to do with orange then blue

this is a stupidly framed question why'd I say this...

[drifting aurora]

i didnt think this would get people confused

i think its pretty straightforward actually

[frozen turtle]

Words in the Dogun script are constructed from one or more joined "characters". Each character represents one or two phonemes, and is itself constructed systematically: the shape of the outer frame (drawn in blue in the chart) indicates a particular vowel sound, while any inner markings inside the frame (drawn in orange) indicate a consonant sound. Characters and words almost always end with a terminator, a small vertical bar (drawn in aqua).

• wiki

[slim belfry]

might be overthought because of the only places being shown up as "oh but we don't have enough examples"

[mossy badge]

Idk since its monochromatic, like tell me "is this orange or blue dogun script"

[drifting aurora]

i guess theres grey dogunscript too technically but thats just orange dogunscript

[mossy badge]

Oh

[mossy badge]

Crazy

[drifting aurora]

god i love dogunscript

[frozen turtle]

thats actually cool

[drifting aurora]

it makes my brain happy to look at

[slim belfry]

imagine someone learning all of the wynn scripts

[rustic nexus]

can wynn go back to just having normal text that just uses different characters pleeeaaasee

:)

[drifting aurora]

no !

[rustic nexus]

😭

[drifting aurora]

dogunscript is kind of still just an english script

it just works off of syllables

[mossy badge]

I mean that can only be in chat and items

[drifting aurora]

old fruman was something of an experiment that we decided to do cause we thought itd be cool

it also works to make old fruma feel more distant and buried

[frozen turtle]

it also reminds me of like, japanese which typically has a constant then a vowel, except you can change order and like each constant has its own symbol which combines with another

kinda

[drifting aurora]

you cant innately understand its texts

[slim belfry]

dogunscript but it relies on fruman words

[split night]

i really like old language being actual language and not an english code

[rustic nexus]

don't give them ideas for the dern arg....

[frozen turtle]

oh except that

nvm

Dern is Irish

obviously

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[drifting aurora]

anyway. back to the important questions

[rustic nexus]

combining all the Wynn languages to make one giant puzzle

[drifting aurora]

Do you prefer Blue dogunscript or Orange dogunscript

[frozen turtle]

when are we kissing Tasim?

[drifting aurora]

you must Choose

[rustic nexus]

blue

[mossy badge]

Bs question

[slim belfry]

would be funny if the queen has a British accent

[drifting aurora]

i do like blue

armory is a fun text

[frozen turtle]

Orange is more typical symbols making it easier to remember but blue is cooler

yk

[drifting aurora]

of the creation of such constructs and weaponry and so on and so forth

[slim belfry]

I might like blue just because of this lol

[drifting aurora]

its good

i need to use orange/gray more often

as i said earlier though, dogunscript is kind of a pain to use

we cant use it as a font in dialogue

[frozen turtle]

is Dogunscript based on Canyon Colussus or does Canyon just use that cuz its cool

[drifting aurora]

blink

[drifting aurora]

oh shit. the elusive red dogunscript

watch out for that

actually why is that one red

[hybrid gazelle]

they are red because they want to fucking kill you

[slim belfry]

warning indicator

[drifting aurora]

Oh thats the sword

crush?

[frozen turtle]

literally like all ingame versions just dont follow orange and blue

[neat oriole]

in dern

[slim belfry]

yeah crush

[mossy badge]

Guys do you like blue english or orange english?

[slim belfry]

evil sword of death

[drifting aurora]

i guess it makes sense to be red

[drifting aurora]

i am mostly being facetious when it comes to orange and blue dogunscript

[frozen turtle]

i cant find a screenshot of orange and blue dogunscript appearing ingame

[slim belfry]

seems like there's quite a bit of orange

[drifting aurora]

ooh image 3 Purge

[frozen turtle]

its more like orange or blue dogunscript

and sometimes gray

[mossy badge]

When are we getting rainbow dogun script

[drifting aurora]

image 4 you can see the little dots are representing the actual length that the text would have if written out lol

[slim belfry]

when majin learns it

[mossy badge]

Write it out in rainbow dogun script

[drifting aurora]

shows images of orange and blue dogunscript

[mossy badge]

They mean together

[frozen turtle]

like, the actual script uses both at the same time

[drifting aurora]

no, it doesnt

[frozen turtle]

does it not?

[drifting aurora]

the wiki is doing that to show the syntax

[slim belfry]

I dont think they can be at the same time

at least that's my guess

[drifting aurora]

like i said earlier, ingame its always monochrome

[frozen turtle]

ah yeah

[mossy badge]

They can

[frozen turtle]

mb

[mossy badge]

Like we could have rainbow letter dogun script

Every letter is another color

[drifting aurora]

like the coloration on the wiki isnt based on anything ingame

has anyone seen my favorite: Passage

[frozen turtle]

i fell into the orange and blue dogunscript trap

[mossy badge]

W dogun script

[hexed birch]

Give use the rest of the tiny font!!!!!!!

[drifting aurora]

?

[hexed birch]

It uses a smaller font than the other texts but its the only occurrence of it

[drifting aurora]

Oh right does passage use a small font

uhh i dont know that it exists

[slim belfry]

I hardly notice because it looks like a fancy effect

[frozen turtle]

i am still wondering if Dogunscript came from Canyon colussus as it appears in TCC bossfight

or like, its just for aesthetics and fun cuz you never know, like is Saphanis Ed Sheeran idk

[drifting aurora]

??? it does Not appear in tna

[hexed birch]

It doesnt appear in tna

[frozen turtle]

omg

[hexed birch]

Tna has wynnic

[frozen turtle]

am i being silly

[slim belfry]

tna?????

[full jackal]

I’ve never seen dogunscript used in-game. Where can we see it?

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/tyuyos-ishowspeed-ishowspeed-meme-speed-speed-meme-gif-17616160487069326613

[frozen turtle]

oh tna

bruh tcc i meant

[mossy badge]

Wiki

🔥

[full jackal]

Alright

[frozen turtle]

The Nanyon Aolussus

[drifting aurora]

theres a couple places, most of them are TCC

[hexed birch]

Also dogun script came from the ancient gavellians, passed onto the colossi (their creations), and canyon colossus passed it onto the doguns (their own creations with garaheth)

[mossy badge]

Who told u ts

Bro is leaking ‼️

[frozen turtle]

i'd believe it

[hexed birch]

I dont know inside info

[full jackal]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/File:ArmoryText.png

Oh shit abugidas?

[drifting aurora]

LOL it says thanks lexnt

thats funny

[full jackal]

That’s so cool

[frozen turtle]

im assuming CC taught or it was discovered by doguns via that way, unless like. the doguns decided to teach it dogunscript and it started using it in spells

[hexed birch]

Its just that the text appears in the armoury where it talks about creating constructs, then it appears at tcc (a construct) and then doguns (who were partly made by tcc)

[full jackal]

I did not write that but it is lmao

[hexed birch]

So you can kinda follow the thread

[mossy badge]

Ye ur right, there is ZERO chance the ancient gavellians spoke high gavellian

[frozen turtle]

Dogunscript is the one true language of the physical realm

[mossy badge]

Low gavellian doesn't exist

[drifting aurora]

i have a long text that would be written in dogunscript that i am holding onto until a day comes that it can be released unto the world

[frozen turtle]

and Saphanis is Ginger

[drifting aurora]

saphanis was bakal all along?

[drifting aurora]

i actually had a second one too but i probably wont be able to get it in how i want bc i dont think we're gonna be getting a dogunscript font in game

[slim belfry]

no wonder bakal cried to saphanis

[frozen turtle]

Shape of You was actually written by Saphanis for Bak'al to sing to Anathema to convince her to keep her moth form

[drifting aurora]

hmm this talk has given me the urge to use more dogunscript....

[hexed birch]

Good urge you should act upon it

[dim plover]

It took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize that Zhiraok is air-themed because Gale is also air-themed

[restive yacht]

YEEEEEES

[dim plover]

By which I mean literally an hour ago

Is the entire Nasin family air-themed???

[mossy badge]

Sure

[dim plover]

I mean their insignia is like a snake or smth so what do I know

[drifting aurora]

The serpent

[dim plover]

Anyways imagine if Gale’s a ghost because a botched prototype of Zhiraok’s necklace activated when she died with it on her

That’s my theory locking it in now

(I am not locking it in)

[split night]

why not

headcanon lock it

[frozen turtle]

except that her grave is in gavel but yeah

unless she brought it

with her

[shy hemlock]

who is gale

[frozen turtle]

air division boss from Qira Hive

[shy hemlock]

i need to do qira hive

i was supposed to for some pants before fruma but i didnt

🫠

[full jackal]

It’s kinda depressing how I’m drawing some art based on a song from a musical of Queen and Bak’al and I’m trying to sing that song from the musical but I realize that I can’t anymore because my vocal cords will actually start bleeding if I do, even though I could before T_T

But like actually this is gonna take a while

Queen’s design is really intricate

[vale sonnet]

wut this

[mossy badge]

Used for a quest

[dim plover]

Guys I'm stuck in a naming problem
So I'm rewriting some parts of the code for my dialogue system, and the problem is that I called the system "dialogue" internally

Which means these boxes can't be also named "dialogue"

(I was calling the individual boxes "dialogue" before)

But with the new stuff in place I can't do that anymore because it leads to repetitions like dialogue.dialogue.canManual

Stuff like that

Too much confusing repetition

What do I name the box things

Is there a specific name for each instance of dialogue

[mossy widget]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/magnifying-glass-gem-gem-alert-spying-gif-8152235274896165137

[dim plover]

The Nameless Colossus is kinda fire though

Imagine TCC and TNA combined mechanics

[mossy widget]

so the colossi and garaheth are like

❤️

?

[dim plover]

.

[shy hemlock]

Name the thing you named dialouge “textbox” then make the ones with dialouge textbox.dialouge

[full jackal]

Shit they censored it

[dim plover]

dialogue in this case refers to the entire system

Like, the dialogue system

[full jackal]

Okay I’m not allowed to say that

[shy hemlock]

hm ic

use smth like “speak” ig

dialouge.speak

[dim plover]

Nah too late I called the individual text boxes “panel”

[shy hemlock]

sure

[dim plover]

Nobody answered so I just kinda winged it

Hope this naming terminology doesn’t bite me in the ass in the future

[full jackal]

Lari: <player>, I truly cannot express how sorry I am for our last meeting. I… had let my arrogance get ahold of me, and I took it out on you, even after all you did for the light. I don’t… expect you to forgive me, what I did was unacceptable.

You did what you thought was right.
I made mistakes too.
Don’t feel sorry.
We have to keep moving on.
Fine, I guess…
I don’t forgive you.
Stay Silent
G O F U C K Y O U R S E L F

[slender copper]

We need more options where the player can truely express their anger like this.

[full jackal]

True, that “do it yourself” was actually brutal

[slender copper]

Because they have a LOT.

[slender copper]

I personally didn't do it even after what bro did but I saw the dialog after and MAN, what a dialog difference.

[full jackal]

Tasim is clearly a lot more hopeless after you say that

He clearly wants to

I actually felt bad after picking that one so I redid the cutscene

[slender copper]

Tbf anyone would be hopeless in that situation where you know you are messed up in the head and need support.

[full jackal]

True

I mean just looking back

I was really mad at Tasim at first for what he did to Rex

And don’t gemme wrong, I’m still mad

But also the thing he wrote for Aledar almost made me tear up

I honestly think behind the scenes queen used Aledar

To manipulate Tasim into thinking that this is what he would’ve wanted

So really Tasim thinks he’s fighting for his old friend

[slender copper]

Yeah, a lot of people were upset about that.

[full jackal]

I mean I was upset sure

But then I read the epilogue T_T

[dim plover]

I'm mostly mad at the arm thing because Tasim literally did that as an extra

He had 0 reason to do a swing when he was already aiming straight forward for a stab

Like, the game shows it in slow motion

He was doing a stab forwards

And then it flashes and he has the spear through her as expected but also her arm pops off??????

[hybrid gazelle]

there likely disparity between the animators and the writers side

[dim plover]

Did it come off from the shockwave of the stab or smth what was that

[hybrid gazelle]

which often tend to happen in game development

[dim plover]

How did that happen

[hybrid gazelle]

it likely that the writers may not known beforehand of the change or the final release of the animation

so the writing did not take account for such change or vice versa

[dim plover]

The animator has no excuse animating a charging pose and then have the arm come off from something that they animated that wouldn't have cut the arm off

[full jackal]

I mean yea there is no reason why that should’ve happened

[dim plover]

Like, if they animated a swinging motion to the arm then yeah I would get it

This is entirely the animator's fault you don't need animator-writer disparity for this to go wrong lol

This is really confusing because Tasim clearly didn't aim for the arm
But yet the arm come off

[full jackal]

Mhhm…

I mean like…

[dim plover]

Which implies that either:

1. The stab was powerful enough to also tear apart her arm, or
2. He stopped his stabbing pose, cut her arm off, then went back to the stabbing pose and then stabbed her all in a split second

Which I'm not doubting that he has the ability to do so

I'm doubting that Tasim will do something that unnecessary

[slender copper]

Will definitely give more evidence that Her Majesty was gonna die anyways, and I do want to mention: When Tasim left us on the bridge, we went into the past and saw Tasim and Her Majesty having a conversation. This in of itself explains the why Tasim still stood by her side, he related to her in a way.

[dim plover]

Like, he didn't need to do that he was already going for the stab

[hybrid gazelle]

I was assumed this convo si about the reivve scene

[dim plover]

What the hell was that

[hybrid gazelle]

but it seems I was wrong

[full jackal]

True

[full jackal]

I mean… yea I guess the arm thing really was unnecessary huh

[dim plover]

It wasn't even that it didn't make sense for him to do it

Like, physically

[full jackal]

Wait

If you include that scene and Rex’s dialogue portrait in the things you’re making

You should name it Rex_Dialogue_Big_Sad

[analog kite]

Are tasmin and aledar gay

[full jackal]

yes

its not canon

but we all know

[analog kite]

Oh it isn't canon?

[full jackal]

No

[hybrid gazelle]

the writer have intent to make it more clear

but yes intention wise both side meant to have mutual feeling with each other on some level

and many dialogue from Tasim in Fruma really suggest Aledar is very significant for him, even above the player who also arrive in the same caravan

[slender copper]

I mean... (Tasim is asking about Aledar)

[hybrid gazelle]

also that too

that entire dialogue

Both Tasim and Aledar speak of one another quite often

as wee that from Tasim in game and Aledar mention by Lanu, Linton, and Mel group

[rustic nexus]

honesty I don't blame tasim for being closer with aledar than the player, cuz we're such a nothing burger

[split night]

hey guys, i hope this isn't a hot take but like
when present with the question whether you want to be the good guys or the guys who save the world
he choose the latter while we choose the first

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah there defintiely reflection narrative between the player and Tasim

[split night]

so like don't blame him too much

[hybrid gazelle]

in their stance on how to solve the War of the Realm

[split night]

xd

[rustic nexus]

I don't blame him for choosing the side he did

[hybrid gazelle]

The goal feel more achievable when you have budget of entire empire with army and resources

than to like

trusting a guy to do everything

the reason Tasim join the queen because he believe the queen got all the necessery resources in order to stop this war

she got army

she got technology

she got the mean and knowledge

by all account, she is the most suitable people that we know that could save the world from the war

so to Tasim

that is his only chance

he has no choice

becaue this is his only choice

and it's also allow him to finally have purpose in this world

[rustic nexus]

also tasim being mad at us is so valid, given that from his perspective were basically tearing fruma apart and dooming the possibility of the dern mission

[split night]

our ass swoop in and be the good guy

opening a third option

[hybrid gazelle]

to be fair player also valid for going against the quene

casue

she is a dictator

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[split night]

yeah

[rustic nexus]

it's very nuanced

and I like that

[split night]

trans girl be a dictator, what did CT mean by this

[rustic nexus]

take the light blue pill, become a god of a nation

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh people who understand Tasim better

if wynncraft story show more player being prone to failure more

one that actually matter that is

[split night]

we just win every situation we encounter

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

becaue rn common consensure for player character is that we are unstoppable monster that will succeed in some shape or form

fruma is going into right direction

becuase along the way there not clear loss or win

showing that player existence is not always will allow ission to succeed

[split night]

yah, i like the fact that strong is strong but we're just one person
we're not god or 5 people, we can't help everything at once

we can't be there for everyone

I like that syndra and mora demise show this clearly

[rustic nexus]

if the player wasn't busy reading all the hallowground files, maybe mora could've lived smh

[split night]

xd

[whole river]

Ok but the entire event takes place outside of the decay

[split night]

honestly if wynn story proceed with us being in fact insane crazy kind of strong but we can't be there for everyone kind of trope then it would be so peak

[whole river]

We can have events that don’t involve the war of the realms, it’s meant to be a secret from 99% of the population

wouldn’t make sense if everytime something major happens ever it’s WOTR recycled plot #9293044

[rustic nexus]

war of the realms does feel like it isn't focused on as much as it should before lv100, given it's the core story rn
but dwarves and doguns isn't the way to add more attention to it

can we stop bringing back that massage from yesterday now

[whole river]

it shouldn’t be even on a new questline

The intention is that saving Orphion was the last time you were really involved with the Light, and the last time you experience the Shade is defeating the eye

[dim plover]

@hybrid gazelle I just got reminded of Obsidian again

Is cross-device syncing still a paid feature

That's like the only dealbreaker that was stopping me from using Obsidian but TBSkyen talked about how good it was and I suddenly remembered that Obsidian was a thing

[full jackal]

Trans women can be horrific fascist dictators too, just like cishet people!

Ekwalitee

[split night]

support trans wrongs!

[full jackal]

LMFAOOOO

But like in all seriousness

I do think Anathema is potentially an allegory for transition

which is cool and based obviously

But this kinda implies that the player beat Her Majesty so hard she detransitioned

Which is kinda evil of us

[full jackal]

I mean considering Bak’al is one of the first people Anathema actually was close with I’m sure she sorta used him as a reference

For her new form or something

Scion supporting his master during her transition is actually wholesome though

[split night]

bak'al realize he was transphobic after her's majesty done transitioning so they broke up

😔

[frozen turtle]

maybe bak'al hates women and preferred Anathema in moth form

[vestal sentinel]

maybe she's an allegory for all the butterflies people out there

metamorphasis is hard i think

[frozen turtle]

no one is giving enough credit to butterflies lowkey

[full jackal]

Bak’al is a misogynist

[frozen turtle]

i still dont get how they become butterflies

[full jackal]

Me neither smh

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196989349401735178/1495652756969619556/attachment.gif

[vestal rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662775844032348171/1489086771105890322/Video_Project_7.gif

[whole river]

Her weapon is literally called transfiguration so👀👀👀

[winged narwhal]

he's only into monsters

he will turn on Saphanis the moment we seal them into a humanoid body

[low ether]

Can't blame him tbh

[winged narwhal]

that's when he defects to Orphion