📚lore_discussion

[unique pumice]

we have also killed two scions so

[formal bridge]

They'd completely skip a step of the magitech tee to go from cursed ones to resonance weaver

[whole river]

we have killed 0 scions

[formal bridge]

I don't see it as likely that they had no clue about foci

[unique pumice]

and the being who made them scions

[whole river]

Given there’s only two

[unique pumice]

the sovereigns are scions

[whole river]

calling the sovereigns scions is a joke

Disrespectfully don’t ever put them in the same league lol

[unique pumice]

well they literally refer to each other as scions so

[slim belfry]

the sovereigns are by all accounts scions

[hybrid gazelle]

soverign still a scions, they bare the mark of Anathema

but yeah most soverigns barely have the same power level compare to Lari and Bka'al

[whole river]

^

[unique pumice]

if its in the game its canon unless explicitly stated otherwise

[hybrid gazelle]

Soverigns got their blessing through the shell

it controlled but lesser

[hybrid gazelle]

it is yes

[whole river]

Sovereigns got a lesser form

[frozen turtle]

they got lesser blessings from a lesser realm beast as well

[hybrid gazelle]

but at the same time

dont take it too heart

[frozen turtle]

still strong but

[hybrid gazelle]

again the quest different tone

some joke quest is well a joke

[slim belfry]

can you even use "the ultimate weapon"

[unique pumice]

u can use spells with it i think

[hybrid gazelle]

some shit happen there for the sake of comedy

[whole river]

Also feat wise zhiraok kinda got mogged by some kids and an old lady

tragic

[frozen turtle]

The Ultimate Weapon is just a joke about fetch quests

[hybrid gazelle]

every weapons int his game can be use with spell

that just gameplay thing

[unique pumice]

yeah ergo its a foci for magic

[hybrid gazelle]

I highly doubt 10 feet long pole

is a good focus

[frozen turtle]

which i dont think should exist considering Wynn already has fetch quests which are jokes considering how fetchy they are

[formal bridge]

I mean the ultimate weapon was made in the light forest

Everything is magic there

[slim belfry]

I think anything can be a focus if either the wielder and/or the object can be a magical conduit

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

[formal bridge]

Making a magic foci is not hard lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel is lierally THE fantasy province

[frozen turtle]

yeah didnt it say when we were helping Zeph

[hybrid gazelle]

everything in Gavel is magical

[frozen turtle]

that like any wood could do

[hybrid gazelle]

not Fruma

[regal spire]

Canonically, Santa flies into Almuj and makes it snow

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[slim belfry]

yes

[formal bridge]

If crafting is canon we can make one out of some random trees and coppee

[hybrid gazelle]

Zeph specifclaly pick this one giant ass tree LOL

that has a legend about it being magical

[whole river]

One gavel trip would fry the average fruman brain

[formal bridge]

It's not that hard lmao

[frozen turtle]

imo, its morseso whose gonna grab a spear and try to use magic with it instead of just fighting like?

[formal bridge]

I mean

If cursed ones are commonplace

Wouldn't you like... try?

[hybrid gazelle]

magical spear sound more dangerous than normal spear

[unique pumice]

In a game with all these magical elements you find the concept of santa so outrageous it cant be canon?

[formal bridge]

Wouldn't one person try to learn from them

[frozen turtle]

why would you think to do that though

[slim belfry]

could be magical deposits or the player is magical so it's one or both of the two in this case

[formal bridge]

Why wouldnt you

We have a reason they wouldn't post queen due to propaganda

[frozen turtle]

people can use magic with like their hands,
why would you just go "oh i could use my spear to do the same thing"

[formal bridge]

But in all human history pre queen, nobody even thought to try it?

[hybrid gazelle]

santa is a fraud because if he is real then why dont he helping starving fruman children?

checkmate

[unique pumice]

Hes not god 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

HE IS CHIRSTMAS' SAINT

ARE YOU SAYING THAT HE CANT SAVE THE ROUGHWORK CHILDREN?

[formal bridge]

Lighthouse

[frozen turtle]

power to create snow but not food?

[formal bridge]

Shot down

[unique pumice]

True

[slim belfry]

hey I'd use a weapon 🥲

[formal bridge]

Yeah youd like

Try

[regal spire]

Yes, dude lol

[regal spire]

Not his district lol

[frozen turtle]

would you, ifeel like

[formal bridge]

Yes

[frozen turtle]

in retrospect you'd try but why would you ever make that connection

[hybrid gazelle]

then why dont the santa council have santa for fruma then,,,,

curious,,,

[frozen turtle]

and considering that it might have to be a weapon with certain materials

[fervent sun]

Santa getting his mind wiped and becoming a Ragni soldier

[formal bridge]

You know how many little kids try to do magic poeers they see in TV shows

You can make them out of an oak tree and some copper

That's just

[regal spire]

Inquisitor snuck in and “quietly removed” them

[formal bridge]

Normal weapons

[regal spire]

No whimsy allowed

[formal bridge]

Itd be bad magic but still magic

[unique pumice]

Idk what to tell u bro theres realms of war and light and dark one generous guy with powerful water magic to make it snow isnt the craziest thing

[regal spire]

Fruma is a SERIOUS place

[regal spire]

Nope, Santa shtewpid

[unique pumice]

Plus everybody knows about the big 3 ice magic users in wynncraft

[slim belfry]

santa is theorick's cousin

[unique pumice]

Sui theorick and santa

[hybrid gazelle]

SUi is known?

[summer bluff]

does anyone have a screenshot of the inside of gikyo's office?

[hybrid gazelle]

Dont think I have

[regal spire]

Where specifically

[frozen turtle]

idk maybe im just not seeing it but like whose gonna make the connection you have to use a weapon to do magic

[regal spire]

I’ve only got the chair from the trailer

[formal bridge]

I think the question is more

Why wouldn'y you try it

[frozen turtle]

and be able to do it at all

[formal bridge]

Nobody even once in human history would try and do magic

Cause it's not hard

[summer bluff]

the desk and whats behind it

[unique pumice]

i think it couldve been found accidentally even

[hybrid gazelle]

I eman

[formal bridge]

You just need to believe you can do it and you can do it

[frozen turtle]

why would you try it? maybe anyone can use magic if you throw a rock really hard

[regal spire]

There’s just a big record hall behind it

[frozen turtle]

like

[formal bridge]

Yeah I would try it

[summer bluff]

still

[formal bridge]

Little kids try and kamehameha after watching dragon ball

[unique pumice]

what about a kid waving a stick believing he can actually do magic

[hybrid gazelle]

is it the right stick?

[formal bridge]

They could probably do magic if it was the right tree

[frozen turtle]

the foci does also seem to be like a proper weapon

[regal spire]

Sounds like they’re stupid and they should give their brain up for science

[formal bridge]

Then no soldier or kid ever tries and do magic ever

[frozen turtle]

and also i dont think we've even see kids to magic

[hybrid gazelle]

the foci can be anything but just need to made of materials that allow them to use magic

[unique pumice]

have some whimsy

[hybrid gazelle]

that the requirement

[frozen turtle]

they might not be strong enough

[hybrid gazelle]

and some proper trainning

as state by Syndra

[frozen turtle]

and also yeah

Zeph was coached by us

[regal spire]

No whimsy allowed. This is an adult server

[formal bridge]

I just feel like

[frozen turtle]

as well

[summer bluff]

nononono, it needds to be a stick AND string!! thats how you make a wand

[formal bridge]

If there are other cursed around

none of them ever tried to teach others?

Bob just got lucky figuring it out?

[summer bluff]

and get outed? lmao

[formal bridge]

Pre queen

this is before the queen

so no stigma

[frozen turtle]

Bob was different tbf

[regal spire]

2 stick*

[formal bridge]

Cursed are out there in the open doing their thing

[frozen turtle]

and i mean, yeah maybe at some point people figured it out but they might've not been able to progress

[formal bridge]

And none of them ever tried teaching someone else

[frozen turtle]

and it ended up not catching on

[formal bridge]

Yeah I'm not saying they were like, good at it

But it existed, and was a thing for sure

[summer bluff]

i don't do woodworking

[frozen turtle]

you'd also have to assume, people would be good enough at it that they'd continue trying it

[formal bridge]

It's only after queen that it got stomped out alongside cursed ones

I mean

[regal spire]

No one does, it’s miserable and useless

[formal bridge]

If you were good enough to make some sparks appear on a spear

Wouldn't you keep trying

[unique pumice]

Whats the difference between a stick and a proper wand

[regal spire]

Nothing

[frozen turtle]

2 string

[summer bluff]

jeweling sweep 🔥

[formal bridge]

It's also

foci are entirely intuitive

Nobody taught Zeph how to use vanish

[regal spire]

Actually, the difference is purely in magical potential, like how all ingredients have some kind of magical something in them

[unique pumice]

Tbh most of them who tried and made magic accidentally def werent good at it so they probably ended up killing themselves when they tried to use stronger magic and then other people would be wary not to try it

[formal bridge]

Once you got the spark going it just takes a zeph around to make it happen

[frozen turtle]

Apart from speculation and not whats actually shown in game, we're told foci users weren't around in Wynn 0AP and Bob so

[regal spire]

A normal stick might not have as much potential as a stick with goo on it

[frozen turtle]

like

[unique pumice]

Or killing others around them

[frozen turtle]

we're told they didnt exist before between 0AP and Bob's arrival which we could speculate was a cover up by the Queen, despite her only wanting her section of Fruma

and not WYnn

[formal bridge]

Except like

Fruma existed and had the colonies under the queen pre portal if I know the timeline right

[unique pumice]

Yeah this makes sense also we use differnet materials and can make stronger weapons so

Or weapons that can handle stronger magic

[regal spire]

Seems that certain breeds and species of trees have different magical potential, too

Redwood seems to be the most magically potential

[unique pumice]

Every species has different magic potential i guess

Whether its people plants animals

[frozen turtle]

but you're saying, Anathema was like "i want my province of Fruma and I'm killing the cursed within to control the power of my citzens, but yk what I'm also just gonna kill all the foci users in Wynn Province too"

[formal bridge]

Wynn was fruma

There was no separation

[regal spire]

Man, Wynn is such an interesting concept of a post/current-apocalyptic setting

[frozen turtle]

she wanted a section clearly

and she was struggling to kill the cursed within the area she claimed, so

[formal bridge]

After the portal opened, yes

[regal spire]

There’s war everywhere, all the time, and it only seems to get worse, but people still innovate, invent, and thrive

[frozen turtle]

how did she manage to kill the cursed across everywhere else

[formal bridge]

I mean they make themselves pretty well known, especially in past times when they weren't out in the open

The fact she succeeded and the Twains were seen as special and unique shows she did manage it

[hybrid gazelle]

the queen unleashing her "Corruption Nuclear Blast" the moment a baby spark a fire from hsi finger tip

[frozen turtle]

they were special because they could do magic when no one else could

I mena maybe im not understanding how Fruma was formed

but

[formal bridge]

Yeah, and we're told as well that cursed were around pre queen

That they were doing 'bad stuff' apparently and the queen came and killed them all

And at that time, wynn was just some colonies of fruma

[regal spire]

“Mama! I figured out how to make fire with sticks-“
“👸🦋: make what, now?”

[formal bridge]

Again someone can share the timeline of her appearing post 0 to show otherwise

until then I'm fairly sure she was around back then

Which means that there's zero reason there wouldn't be cursed around, and I see no reason those cursed would never have any foci users made as a result

[frozen turtle]

are we saying that Anathema, before claiming the Province of Fruma decided to kill all the foci users in Almuj, Nesaak, Troms, Detlas, Nemract and Ragni for..? what reason

we know why she didnt want cursed within her province, as she wanted to control/manage the power there

[formal bridge]

Again

We don't even know if all those places existed when she came

And if they did

they were also fruma at the time

[frozen turtle]

we do know they existed

[formal bridge]

The only reason fruma pulled back was cause of the portal opening

Before then, no giant monster portal in the middle of your kingdom

Way easier to do a genocide

[frozen turtle]

But then, why did she kill all the Foci people there.. and just not claim that area?

like

[formal bridge]

Because she did

[fervent sun]

wait what is the first register of foci users that there is?

[formal bridge]

They were around and part of fruma and she ruled fruma

[regal spire]

She didn’t want it. Wynn was infected with her, and she hates her

[formal bridge]

Yeah like

Post portal opening she dgaf

pre portal opening

Why wouldn't she have claimed it, it was fruma

[frozen turtle]

yeah but then why would she hunt down all the foci people there

that doesnt make sense

[formal bridge]

because they use magic

And she doesn't like people using magic

It allows them to rebel

[frozen turtle]

within her province for control

[formal bridge]

yeah

which

at that time

[regal spire]

I don’t think she did. I’m pretty sure they just died

[formal bridge]

is also wynn

[frozen turtle]

which they werent no

[regal spire]

Like, by zombies and shit

[formal bridge]

yes

it literally was

They were fruma pre portal opening

[frozen turtle]

what

[formal bridge]

Fruma only cut ties

after the portal opened

[frozen turtle]

??

[formal bridge]

I just

[unique pumice]

Is electromagic just the corkians using foci with materials that are tuned to electric magic

[formal bridge]

You are acting like before the portal, wynn and fruma were two separate places

They weren't

it was just fruma

[frozen turtle]

no

what im saying is that Her Majesty didnt want the wynn area

so why would she prepare it for claiming

she had no reason to kill the foci people there

[formal bridge]

Im

She didn't want it

After the portal opened

Why would she not want it before then

[frozen turtle]

..

what

[formal bridge]

Why re you assuming she didn't care about it

Why would she not want wynn

[frozen turtle]

she came into Wynn when the portal opened

??

or after im assuming actually

[fervent sun]

Queen went to fruma 200AP, we dont know when she truly left the portal with her shell

no?

[frozen turtle]

yeah

[formal bridge]

Did she?

Where is it stated she went in 200ap

That's what I've been asking for and nobody is providing where that is stated

[unique pumice]

she came out of the portal?

[frozen turtle]

what

[formal bridge]

Two is unfortunately really, really vague as to the timeline of things

[frozen turtle]

I know it says it somewhere i dont know where

I tried checking wiki and it says the Royal Uni books but the wiki of that doesnt say anything about it

But either way,

[drifting aurora]

why plural

[frozen turtle]

but also

[formal bridge]

Typo

And wiki sadly isn't fully up to date yet

[fervent sun]

ok so, its from here i belive

[frozen turtle]

also, the queen only got access to the physical realm after the portal opened like

[formal bridge]

Thank you

I still find it weird then that foci magic wasn't around

if it's so easy, why did nobody figure it out?

[frozen turtle]

its not easy if you dont know what you're doing

[formal bridge]

it still feels too convenient to say they just... didn't know

Yeah but nobody tried?

Like... ever?

[frozen turtle]

Zeph had to be coached to do it

it probably wasnt successful for everyone as well

Zeph was able to do it, while being coached through it

[drifting aurora]

could be they did. but i think its something that doesnt catch on ever because theres no proper information on how it works

[zenith coral]

nah they probably tried. they were then labeled as cursed and then shipped off

[formal bridge]

Yeah I'm fine with it being like

A thing

Not widespread since there wa sno reason pre corruption portal

[frozen turtle]

it also assumes that it was a) successful when they tried. b) successful enough it would become widespread

[formal bridge]

and post corruption portal wynn was shattered with fruma abandoning them as well

[drifting aurora]

i think a majority of wynn's magical knowledge just gets lost in the first century or two after the portal opens

[formal bridge]

Yeah that makes more sense of things

Foci magic being around but not commonplace til Bob

[zenith coral]

alot of wynns magical knowledge shouldnt be explained at the end of the game (unless its a huge reveal or smth but what we got was basic info)

[formal bridge]

At best you had a handful of people who figured it out then everyone died from corruption spikes and zombies

[drifting aurora]

it's the villagers arriving that makes focus magic commonplace

because they have the knowledge of how it all works

[frozen turtle]

i think lusuco credits bob but both happen at like the same time

[untold warren]

what do villagers do by the way?

[drifting aurora]

lusuco library probably needs a dialogue pass

[untold warren]

are they like humans or what?

[drifting aurora]

its pretty old

[formal bridge]

yeah the villagers started teaching people and the villagers in maltic arrived roughly at the same time

[zenith coral]

the more potatoes they eat the bigger their noses grow

make this canon

[formal bridge]

So a combination of both factors spread foci magic, alongside just a need for it

[untold warren]

okay I'm sorry but, what is Olm?

[frozen turtle]

eh well it just says "Before the time of bob"

[zenith coral]

olms are coins

[frozen turtle]

so Bob probably just picked up Foci as the villagers arrived

[zenith coral]

its an abandoned currency

[untold warren]

Ah

[frozen turtle]

different species, mainly lived in SE before dern beast went crazy, very ancient, were in time valley for some time, some hid in the dernel jungle too

[zenith coral]

time valley was funded by olms and not emeralds

[formal bridge]

Bob was trained between 871 and 886

and maltic arrived in 900

[drifting aurora]

bob was several decades before the villagers

[frozen turtle]

oh wait

[drifting aurora]

bob's a special case anyhow

[zenith coral]

https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-internet-jjk-agenda-LT4RpvI9r1rbpm9OVn

[frozen turtle]

i misread

[drifting aurora]

im not sure id call what he has entirely focus-based magic

[frozen turtle]

i just saw 886AP and thought it was his birthday

[formal bridge]

Yeah Bob was the first one who really spread out the knowledge and the villagers provided the baseline

[frozen turtle]

mb

[formal bridge]

he's moreso like

[zenith coral]

olms are a currency

[formal bridge]

The one all the foci users copied

[frozen turtle]

He is also like Half Olm and was able to use all classes

so

[zenith coral]

and he copied some random ghosts

[frozen turtle]

EXCEPT shaman ofc

which the nwait

[zenith coral]

slykaar is bobs evil half

[frozen turtle]

Slykaar was a shaman

so

Slykaar had a foci then?

[zenith coral]

he split it off after it got freaky

[zenith coral]

he seems like a foci guy he holds a relic in his fight

alternativeley maybe he used slime as foci

[formal bridge]

Slykaar was tapping magic from the evil slime realm as well

[zenith coral]

he probably was more the ritual sacrifice for power kinda guy

[zenith coral]

thats just his mind

[untold warren]

Soo, what do you think is the GDP of each province?

[zenith coral]

we lobotomize him in the dungeon quest

[frozen turtle]

Im guessing he was just a regular shaman and not a class-type shaman

[zenith coral]

tempo town is worth 15k stx of le

[frozen turtle]

15 stacks of emeralds you mean

[zenith coral]

no 15000

it is the most prosperous town afterall

and they own time valley a famous research point

[hybrid gazelle]

he did have strange black thing?

IDk how do you describe it cause the story did 0 attempt to expand upon it

[frozen turtle]

tempo town actually has very little emeralds it just doesnt have inflation so like, 15 emerald blocks is worth 15k stx of le

[zenith coral]

imagine all the scientists they can charge outrageous amounts because no where else can you find this type of magix

[hybrid gazelle]

but it just shifting black mass that can shapeshift

[drifting aurora]

bob is a special little guy

[hybrid gazelle]

the gear skin make it black and purple

IDK what even is it

[frozen turtle]

olm weapon ofc

with the power of olm

[hybrid gazelle]

he got it from Momo so I am not sure

Momo probabl took it from his birth mother

[frozen turtle]

the colour makes it seem like its dern-related but who knows

[hybrid gazelle]

but there no evidence of that so sitll 0 idea

it definitely something that can shift and turn itno spear, dagger, wand, and bow

[zenith coral]

any changeling could do what he did

[hybrid gazelle]

and seems to hvae mind of its own?

certainly guiding Bob

IDK why the story never really talk about it

[zenith coral]

dernic obvs

[frozen turtle]

Bob lore is not real

[hybrid gazelle]

like wtf you mean Bob's weapon have some sense of mind of its own and the story just

NEVER ELBORATE

LIKE WTF YOU MEAN

[frozen turtle]

or is it a weapon that changes depends on what Bob knows

[drifting aurora]

someday bob lore will be real

[zenith coral]

wait what

[formal bridge]

someday in wynn revamp update bob lore will exist and make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob story going to fucking explain how he got 3 animals friends but not his seemingly sentient weapon

[frozen turtle]

since he had to learn like knivery and archery

[zenith coral]

when we find his corpse in a ditch in dern

[zenith coral]

where does the sentient weapon come from

[hybrid gazelle]

his weapon change dependent on the next master

from what I remember

let me check

[frozen turtle]

5 quest long questline revealing bob lore will just be:
how he met animal 1, 2, 3, how he gave them power and then a quest about how the animals got to their islands

[untold warren]

Bob was crucified and was revived on the 7th day?

[zenith coral]

is the weapon an dernic symbiote that infected his mother and snuck into during his birth which caused her death and now he ihas befriended it?

[hybrid gazelle]

"In the fires of the fight, Robert fled from the city, wielding not his butcher's knife, but a pair of pitch black knives encrusted with symbols that glowed a purple color, a cloak and a pouch holding what little food was left in the house."

[zenith coral]

is that the lore

[hybrid gazelle]

it started as a knife

[zenith coral]

and where did it come from

its undeniably dernic

[hybrid gazelle]

"Chak took Roberts daggers, to which the handles began to glow bright and moulded together to form a large sheen bow, to which he strung a thick strand of his own hair."

DUDE HOW LONG WAS BOB HAIR

no wonder hwy he was bald in bob reincarnation

[zenith coral]

cultivator long ig

[hybrid gazelle]

this man have to pluck his own hair everytime it turn int oa bow

"Robert began his journey further south; past the blizzards into a pocket of land he'd never seen on any map the bow symbol with the number “2” accompanying it."

@drifting aurora HOLY SHIT

TWO

TWO IN OLD LORE
NO FUCKING WA

TWO

[zenith coral]

you guys think bob will have a role in dern but he will not even be a se, you find him in the corpse pit with all the others who tried to stop saphanis (lari is there too) and there wont be dialogue about it. or a se

[frozen turtle]

OMG

[hybrid gazelle]

LEXNT TWO

TWO OMG LEXNT

[frozen turtle]

TWO IS BOB'S WEAPON!>?!?!

THEY HAVE THE SAME COLOUR SCHEME

[hybrid gazelle]

TRANSGENDER BOB THEORY IS REAL?

[formal bridge]

Robert is now Roberta

good for her

[hybrid gazelle]

GUYS TWO

OMG

I am frumaning everywhere rn

[frozen turtle]

Did Bob "disappear" or just return back to FRUMA

[zenith coral]

its times like this i believe the rhalata... (their belief is that the human body is the worst thing that ever happened to sentient species and their leader is a nutjob)

rhalata'shara sleeper

[untold warren]

My theory is that he got into a cave that somehow led back to Fruma

[untold warren]

And he married a woman which soon gave birth to Mora's father, and he soon died because of Tuberculosis Villager edition

[zenith coral]

nah he jumped into an unactive portal and died of fall damage

rip

[zenith coral]

so moras a half-breed?

he doesnt have the nose tho

[frozen turtle]

also wait, does that mean Chak somehow made his dagger into a bow or like
(also i think maybe it was Chak's hair maybe?)

[untold warren]

Yo lets not be racist now

[zenith coral]

well how am i supposed to call a villager human hybrid

half-breed is objectiveley a correct designation (sorry give me a replacement)

on that topic what are the in-universe slurs?

https://giphy.com/gifs/metal-gear-solid-rubbing-chin-face-e9ULCniiGUYKj32Hd3

[unique pumice]

Idk about slurs but gert feels derogatory

Like is that what they call themselves i don’t remember

[hybrid gazelle]

oh nvm it was chak's hair yeah

but like

[zenith coral]

maybe it was a slur and the gerts being dumb just adopted it as a name

[hybrid gazelle]

again this make no difference cause other transform onward from this

Bob would ahve to use his own hair

[frozen turtle]

it seems like the masters grabbed it and turned it into a weapon which is weird

[zenith coral]

you think this is why soldiers shave their heir? in honor of bob?

[untold warren]

okay wait, whats stopping Humans from just grabbing the noses of villagers and dragging them around once the villagers try acting a bit racist?

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah

the master turn his weapon

IDK wtf going on with Bob weapon

[summer bluff]

getting filled full of arrows and starting a war

villagers dont play

[untold warren]

Very wise of you Mr Hyloch, but what if we kidnap them?

[hybrid gazelle]

villageres often in position of poewr higher than human

[untold warren]

oh right King Ragni

Troms King too

[hybrid gazelle]

and human likely get hrash punishment for the offend

[fervent sun]

he turned human

[hybrid gazelle]

the law likely in favor of villagers more than the humans even in Wynn

troms king is a human

[untold warren]

So in the lore, is there any brutal segregation between Villagers and other races?

[hybrid gazelle]

idk

[untold warren]

The orcish one is clear

[unique pumice]

Well they don’t fuck with humans in gavel

[summer bluff]

king ragni has the sworn an fanatical loyalty of the entire wynnic army. we touch a hair on his bald head and we're gonna be overrun by more curseds than we'll be able to feed to deraj

[unique pumice]

To the point where they gotta hid the only human civilization in the province from the authorities

[untold warren]

He doesn't have hair 😭

[summer bluff]

apparently either elves in general (or just lari) is banned from cinfras so

[signal bough]

Metis

[untold warren]

Just lari

[summer bluff]

yes he does 😔

[untold warren]

because of the shit she did

Dullahan got fucked up dawg

[signal bough]

The redhead efilim dude was let in pretty deep

[fervent sun]

only Lari is banned or only Olon is alowed

[signal bough]

And knew how to work the elevator

[hybrid gazelle]

Olon worked there

[untold warren]

Only lari is banned, so i think?

[summer bluff]

oh that's okay ❤️ we do that all the time 💚

[untold warren]

how sweet!

We should start seeing more racism towards villagers in the story tbh

Like calling them "long nose" or "why the long face" everytime they go to a bar

https://tenor.com/view/long-face-long-face-borzoi-dog-gif-14365293199697059002

[slim belfry]

they said elves I think but I think they meant lari is banned lol

[frozen turtle]

lari is banned specifically yeah

[frozen turtle]

i think they avoided this for a reason

[slim belfry]

we get talks before how the villagers think of lari as too stuck up

[untold warren]

Ah

[untold warren]

i mean that is true, no?

[slim belfry]

yeah

[formal bridge]

Yeah we already have enough questionable content with villagers

Until they are erased entirely from existence, lets not add more

[indigo plover]

what is our solar system doing in wynn?

does it take place on earth

[zenith coral]

it exists canonically somewhere else like in dnd

[digital swan]

My theory is that it's in a different solar system but they originated from Earth

[indigo plover]

so where did all the people in fruma come from then?

[digital swan]

the first humans on Wynnplanet landed in Fruma, which is why we think of it as the start of humanity

they used the Colossi to terraform Wynnplanet to resemble their home Earth

this is why Wynnplanet geography is fucking weird

it's manmade

also, the former Earth got nuked really badly

the mutated wrecks of humans became humyns

[indigo plover]

so how did the humans gain access to magic?

[digital swan]

we see humyns on the moon

[undone whale]

This is a theory of all time and is hilarious

[undone whale]

Mutation

Fruma got queen to stop that

[digital swan]

they probably learned magic shortly before the war that caused the first Frumans to free and caused the world to be nuked

[zenith coral]

old elemental gods ig

[digital swan]

the magic resulted in a magic superweapon arms race

between the European Union and China

[indigo plover]

what if they also added the barrier roof as protection

[digital swan]

the Chinese recognized the danger and fled first, which is why Fruma so Asian

[undone whale]

This is a take of all time and I love it

[digital swan]

Earth's cows were also mutated in the maginuclear war, resulting in wocs. Cats and rabbits were mixed and eventually evolved into wybels

Part of why the Frumans are so scared of magic is because some of them know that magic is what destroyed their real homeland

[proud ginkgo]

what was soosu blessing again

[undone whale]

Making earth golems afaik

[proud ginkgo]

wasnt it sth to do with creating matter from thin air

[undone whale]

Idk

[neat oriole]

moving matter

[hybrid gazelle]

that not our solar system tho

that just ague idea of solar syste

it is not specify which planet is which

that planet could jus tappear to be similar to Earth

as Earth is one of the few planet thati deal for lifes to form

hence why many fictional world inspired by the Earth

even if the yare not real life earth

cause again it serve as blueprint for their own world

but the continents and geography can be different and diverge from earth itself

[dim plover]

I thought they said they were going to remove that from the Aelumia University what

[mossy badge]

Who said that

[dim plover]

Samsam I think

@shut hornet It was on the beta channel so I can’t go recheck to verify this

[mossy badge]

Is the solar system not canon 🤔

[dim plover]

Nah Thesead still has a solar system model

But Samsam wanted specifically this one removed

[mossy badge]

Why 🤔

[slim belfry]

I remember that

apparently thesead wasn't supposed happen either I think

[dim plover]

Wait what

Then why is it still there

[slim belfry]

shrug

[earnest prairie]

i forgot theasead got a makeover

i remember when it had this terrible city planning where certain areas were thru tunneling stairs

[frozen turtle]

guys those planets are from our solar system,
like thats clearly Wyars, Waturn, Wyupiter and Wyeptune

[dim plover]

Our planet is called Wynnrar

[spring kernel]

it's been 4 years

[tropic locust]

long time

[chilly tulip]

Do yall think that shapeshifters were sent into the other provinces? Like we saw one in Generals Orders but do we know if it was from Fruma in any way?

[hybrid gazelle]

general order was an accident

consider how Changeling might not be loyal as inquistor

it hihgly unlikely they actually get send out in the world and they are more use within Fruma

inquistor already take the role of the eye for the crown

installing changeling into outside world is not only hard to mantain but also very high risk

we know that the one from general order simply escape rather than being send out due to it incapble of speaking properly

indicating that it did not went through proper trainning

[unique jungle]

bro that was so peak fr

it was like tempo town but good

now its just another generic city with nothing special

[abstract snow]

can we see inquisitors outside of quests rn

i feel like i saw a video of one in aelumia or smth but could be wrong

[chilly tulip]

I mean technically there was the ARG

But I don’t know if that counts

[hybrid gazelle]

it probably is

inquistor just something that only conceptualize recently from what I heard

so that why they were not present that much in the story

even then tbh they just have no reason to appear

the cursed one do have mention of them and as one of the factor for the leaves to leave Auburn

so the entire story point is to avoid inquistor in the first place

[mossy badge]

Its true, you can pick up a key in the theatre and open the backdoor, exiting through it (only this way) u can see an inquisitor looking at the architect shrine through a telescope

They have the inquisitor ai so just vanish

If u get close

[abstract snow]

oh that’s what its for

i could never find the key 😭

[mossy badge]

I also had to ask for help for finding it 🔥

Im forgot where exactly it is but if u care its on some shelf i think

[shut hornet]

i never said it was being removed but i said not to take it as anything meaningful

[chilly tulip]

Does AHC feel weird to anyone else post-Fruma? Personally it feels very much like a penultimate quest saying “Look at how far you’ve come to get to this point, have you wondered what would’ve happened if things were different” yknow? But now we have Fruma, which kinda takes the place of that in my head, with us basically fighting a province and defeating a god. Since AHC isn’t required for Fruma either, the quest feels like it’s in a sort of limbo to me, where it’s a cutoff point and a current ending to the SE quests, but it seperate from the War of the Realms expansion brought by Fruma

I don’t know if that makes any sense or not but I just had to get my ramblings out somewhere, sorry

[vale sonnet]

so is this solved yet

[exotic bough]

not entirely

[vale sonnet]

i see

its the same translation in both texts right

[mossy badge]

Yes

[vale sonnet]

so we dont know ||gale's|| current location rn right?

[exotic bough]

Wdym

She’s at the hive at her blizzard fest spot

[mossy badge]

She just disappears and we cannonically never meet again i'd assume

Unless she really just gets dementia + infinite transcribers

🔥

[vale sonnet]

oh ur right shes there again

[vale sonnet]

lmao

[weary sigil]

#1489836179665981621

a lot is, even more isn’t

The fruman text on the transcriber isn’t yet if that’s your question

[vale sonnet]

oh, so we just can't translate this language yet

nor the books in the burried records quest

[hasty beacon]

Could we not just translate the bits we do know and fill in the blanks from there?

[mossy badge]

I mean ye

[mossy badge]

Its a conlang

[mossy badge]

There are partial translations which give u the basic message

[weary sigil]

It’s not English nor any other natural language

[spring kernel]

The next conlang will just be french

to simplify

[weary sigil]

So we have to translate it like you would hieroglyphs or some other ancient language

[weary sigil]

Also this

most of the in game text has been either fully translated or translated enough to get the meaning

[mossy badge]

I hope snerp updates his doc to be better

[winged narwhal]

I knew French was a Dernic language

[worldly raft]

Does the rune door downstairs in the queens palace do anything? Or its just there for future use?

[earnest prairie]

future. even if u bring one of each it still stays unpowered

[vestal rivet]

not openable yet

[chilly tulip]

Do you think they’ll lock post Fruma content behind completing the raid?

[vale sonnet]

john fruma hiding behind the door

[vestal rivet]

possibly

[chilly tulip]

Fruma has ROL V as a prerequisite but not NoL, so I’m guessing Apotheosis would be the prerequisite, but WTP is pretty important

Also Zeph, Sui, and Tasim don’t show up during the first time you run the raid right? Like there’s no client side companions or anything like the first run of Infested Pit with Aledar and Tasim right?

[earnest prairie]

the exiled king of fruma ✍️

[vale sonnet]

ok mean..🥺

[slender copper]

From what I remember, they don't show up at ALL.

[earnest prairie]

the raids dont really have any first time experience storyline like dungeons do sadly

and even those only select seem to have first time experiences

only Infested and Galleon’s seem to have it i think

[shy hemlock]

if it were to be implemented they’d prob implement it with the butterfly effect quests

Some of the quest bosses are arguably harder than the WTP boss so i doubt they would make it not a requirement

[vale sonnet]

w painting

[shy hemlock]

the only trouble i had was with ||tasim|| and after i finally beat him i beat ||her majesty|| first attempt. Had no potions left tho so it was close

||tasim|| was the first time i needed to actually improve my build

[warm tapir]

I do hope once they do that they’ll also add the option to go back and make the decision again for players that already made it before without the other option. Not everyone is gonna have another 104 class on hand to do the alternate path.

[vale sonnet]

theres no hidden stuff here right or am i missing smth

[clear scaffold]

people do realise it won't change much right

[restive yacht]

tasim alternate route released yet?

[mystic fulcrum]

No

[rustic nexus]

there's 4 interactable books

3 on blossom floor, 1 on order floor

unless they've added more

[buoyant depot]

do we think ragni offers hotel rooms for newly-arrived recruits

[vestal rivet]

in canon it's either this or have a bunch of homeless soldiers
actually maybe that's why their so hasty to get you out the gate lol

they wanna get you to figure it out yourself asap so they don't have to

[buoyant depot]

🔥

[lavish knot]

I'd imagine some of the new recruits are just thrown into assignments inmmediatly after amnesia

[vestal rivet]

they give you the bare minimum to clear the weak zombies with and yeet you to the wild

[earnest prairie]

is the tutorial staged as well by fruma? bc theres no way the caravan driver would accidentally hit that same rock right outside the cargo station so easily

[split night]

I mean
in the third ever quest it's about us baking a cake for recruit in order of the king

so like

King Ragni was making a feast somewhat for new recruits

we just arrived at the wrong time

xd

[lavish knot]

The caravan hitting a rock is staged

[earnest prairie]

what about the rest?

[split night]

yes, in a journey home we've seen this

the tree the the bridge is staged too

idk why the fuck they do that but it is staged too

[earnest prairie]

so basically the soldiers are likely also fruman too but pretend to be nearby ragni soldiers?

[split night]

probably? probably not

they're likely given a script to follow to

by orders above their pay grade

[lavish knot]

Could be either, but are given exact directions to follow

[split night]

so they had to do it

[earnest prairie]

i mean if u got ur memory wiped of literally everything but the bare survival skills minus fighting i think smth staged then would be good

[buoyant depot]

what im wondering is: lanu, mel, jenprest, reynauld, caid, kymer, linton, and picard probably all went through King's Recruit, so…

surely at some point, multiple recruits wouldve brought up their disastrous arrival in the caravan, making EVERYBODY perk up and go "hold on thats exactly what happened to me", no?

[earnest prairie]

well the caravan driver does admit he always hits the boulder

and seems to be doing it in a “i hate this habit so much” tone

[snow kiln]

I don't get the bridge being staged

Legit shit didn't get rebuilt for forever

We got all the way to SE

Like how TF did new recruits get past the cave in

Makes no sense rahh

[signal bough]

also past the initial gate, it's Ragni territory

[formal bridge]

I assume that normally they just hang out and guide fruman recruits to the base, with the bridge and stuff being actual chance

It's only when peopel try to come back the way they came that they start staging accidents

Only the boulder thing is staged

[chilly tulip]

How do you think Bob would’ve handled all of the stuff the player has gone through so far? He’s only been gone for like ~20 years so presumably circumstances haven’t gotten that much worse since then

[formal bridge]

The boulder crash is probably like the hypnosis trigger for recruits to start their new memories

[signal bough]

def with more social skills

[warm tapir]

Maybe not yeah. It’s interesting to think about what could be different nonetheless

[whole river]

he would've learned how to talk to lari and shit would've been resolved by ROL 3 ngl. a big flaw in the player is their reluctance to communicate effectively

[steel gust]

Where did Sui get the money to pay the hotel lady?

Did I miss something where we did a bank heist

[dim plover]

Liff Leaves (They're actually worth ten billion emeralds each in the Highlands the Auburn Forest people just aren't aware of this so they think they're poor and hence can't go to the Highlands)

If any of them caught wind of this the Queen will be overthrown and the province will collapse

[foggy condor]

She robbed the guy she murdered in a previous quest

[earnest prairie]

the Great Depression: Wynncraft Edition

[slender copper]

Why did Gikyo have so much cash on them??

[foggy condor]

taxes idk

[whole river]

hes a sovereign he got that platinum credit card

[low ether]

Wheres that image

[formal bridge]

they

[low ether]

..Okay so something I'm just big about, and have been for a few days at this point for headcanon purposes
Y'all think Changelings would be fearful of fire after what happened with Ophir?
Same vein, is it possible that immolation is the only true way to kill a changeling?

Cause I can see them having some fear of fire cause of that whole fiasco, including innate fear even if they have no clue why

[whole river]

oops yeah they I was reading bob's paragraph above rip

[low ether]

High chance the one newbie changeling at the outside of the fort was already warned about the whole wickerman fiasco, now that im thinking about it
It's why they get big upsetti after you light it

[split night]

it collapese two times we walk and the tree magically stand up again

it's definitely staged

we just don't know why

xd

[snow kiln]

I mean we know why

Its to stop recruits going back

But how did 1 Wynn soldier lift the whole tree back up.

And how did the 2 soldiers build a bridge with no supplies

[vapid path]

Eh magic

[untold warren]

I lowkenuinely think that Corkians are second only to Frumans when it comes to economics

[solid ibex]

you saw what the driver did to repair the wheel?

you can assume its similar to that

[vestal sentinel]

does gikyo have a default weapon?

[chilly tulip]

Why would they need one?

[solid ibex]

they does if you have the sovereign set

[chilly tulip]

Seems like they can just make one

[solid ibex]

was it dagger?

im not sure

[low ether]

Weapon? No, but theyd probably use a knife for their torture

[solid ibex]

i dont have it

[vestal sentinel]

lemme check on wiki

[solid ibex]

they dont need it anyways

[lavish knot]

They have an assigned weapon in the fruma bundle but didn't use it

[vestal sentinel]

can i have a pic

[slim belfry]

yeah gikyo is the only sov that doesnt use the weapon in some form

[dim sky]

aren’t they technically a ranger

[paper wyvern]

I mean their blessing is they copy the abilities of the people they copy so why would they have a weapon

[dim sky]

yeah I get that but what even is the title “ranger of the mistwoods”

I honestly was confused about that, kinda expected them to have a crossbow or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

They are ranger of the mistwood

They take care of the mistwood

They just oversee it

Not ranger as in class in rpg

It’s ranger as in job sense

It like how you don’t see irl ranger has whole ass crossbow with them

Sometime

[dim sky]

ok I have no idea how I went so long forgetting literally the main definition of ranger 😭😭 thank you

like a park ranger dude why tf did I have “archer” stuck in my head this whole time lmao

[low ether]

I still think they'd use it more for torture, really
Fights? Nah, unlikely

[hybrid gazelle]

Ranger of the mistwood is similar title to high marshal

[dim sky]

true, the sovereign cosmetic for gikyo is a spear btw

[hybrid gazelle]

Whwre you get it for being sovereign of that district

[dim sky]

looked it up

[dim sky]

yeah that tracks

[unique pumice]

This has me dead ☠️

[dim sky]

genuinely losing my mind

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think they shake to make Gikyo spear as part of their kit

So the cosmetic rn is more of filled items in the bundle

Similar to Soosu guantlet

[crisp moon]

yo remember when the shaman guy killed the other guy (w larp?)

[dim sky]

yeah soosu gauntlet doesn’t really perfectly fit a bow, I kinda figured it was just to have a cool weapon cosmetic set, I just brought it up cuz I think someone asked

[hybrid gazelle]

Which one

[crisp moon]

i dont know im larping

[hybrid gazelle]

Ok

[hybrid gazelle]

Ngl I hope that these bundle are not limited and sold in the store at some point

Maybe it is idk

[dim sky]

agreed

well my thought is it might be the same thing as like baby Orphion

unfortunately

[hybrid gazelle]

It odd because the server genuinely need more money

But they do a lot of exclusive items which kinda confuse me

[snow kiln]

But the driver didn't repair the tree, and it can't have been Wynn soldiers that did it as it's still caved in. Meaning a fruman who isn't caravan driver is resetting these things.

[low ether]

Ahhh FOMO how I despise you

[low ether]

Wouldn't surprise me that it's gonna be exactly like that
Didnt get it? Tough cookies kinda deal

[solid ibex]

brother

another person would repair it

the driver has other shit to do

[hybrid gazelle]

I just find it weird these bundle only available to purchase pre release cause

What if you are new player and just like

“Oh zhiraok is a cool character, maybe tjis make me want to buy the bundle or his cosmetic”

And you can’t get it again

[solid ibex]

my point is that how they fixed it is probably similar to how the driver fixes the wheel

🤯 🤯

[low ether]

I think the Fruma bundle(s) lasted a while after release
So there was time
Still doesnt make it any less FOMO though

[hybrid gazelle]

It is what it is

I just think at least it would be extra income if they keep it up for new potential buyer

[vestal sentinel]

can i have a link to it or sth

[dim sky]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Gear_Skins

[slim belfry]

hmmm

headcanon that gikyo's edge is what they use to torture prisoners

it has a serrated edge so oh boy would it do well

[low ether]

YEAHHH THATS WHAT IM SAYING THEYD USE IT FOR TORTURE

[dim sky]

I like this idea

they’d probably enjoy the extra tool to poke and prod at people even though it’s unnecessary given their capabilities

[slim belfry]

maximizing the psychological damage

[low ether]

Anything for that sweet, sweet physical torture
And perhaps a bit of...wooould it be psychological? whatever else counts
(nvm yes it is that too)

[formal bridge]

Considering that they've been having the old sets come back in other crates for the festivals I assume that fruma sets will come back eventually as well

[limber swan]

why is majins sword a wand and not a dagger

[low ether]

Melee rainbow mage, thats likely why

[dim sky]

yup, it goes along with his whole mage schtick

[fringe star]

do you think ava is bad as hell

[limber swan]

shes a bird no?

[low ether]

Anthro bird, yeah

[zenith coral]

are we sure gikyos edge isnt gikyos severed transformed arm

cuz i headcanoned it as one of the few things he transformed himself too, why spent money on torture equipment when he can transmutate himself into it?

[low ether]

when they

But tbh i dont see them transforming as just the weapon
Also lord knows if they actually spent money and instead threatened and tortured someone else for it

[manic kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-13438281732003437257

[slim belfry]

"Of course she's bad she's a terrorist!"
-Sybil

[hybrid gazelle]

TASIM PROTRAIT GOT UPDATED

HE NO LONGER LOOK LIKE A CHUD

[slim belfry]

that's what everyone says lol

[zenith coral]

in my opinion the realm beasts should be a lot stronger, dont forget that they are basically reverse mages (NEVER FIGHT IN A MAGE IN HIS OWN PERSONAL POCKET DIMENSION), and here they are basically the embodiment of that realm. so i hc that they have full control over it and battling an realm beast in their realm is EFFECTIVELEY FIGHTING ALL OF IT, this comes with stuff like a passive wonder of u effect on you, and other stuff. like see that sun in orphions realm? he will drop it on you

[low ether]

tbh I just like how his features are easier to see
Like bro's beard kinda seemed to blend into his skin if you only glanced

[zenith coral]

isnt that just zhiraok? maybe its just me but i thought he was a lady cuz i never noticed his beard

[solid ibex]

this makes the dern expedition insanely hard unless smth from within would be weakening Saphanis

similar to the parasite and Orphion

[zenith coral]

yeah the realm beasts are embodiments of their world so at minimum its like fighting a mage in his own pocket plane

[solid ibex]

we do beat Anathema but idk what other factors would be accounted for in that fight

Orphion is obvious since the parasite was messing bro up

[zenith coral]

so at minimum creating rocks and holes to continously make you trip and fall is something they could do

[low ether]

Nah Zhiraok's didnt blend to his skin, but the...hang on lemme check the specifics

[solid ibex]

Saphanis has the largest advantage out of anyone in the wynncraft lore now

[zenith coral]

unlikeley and other realm beasts we fought he is BUFFED

[signal bough]

what is actually Dark

[hybrid gazelle]

did not we beat Anathema because not only we have 3 other people but also her power went into her soverigns over the years

so she effectively weaker than Orphion and Dern Beast indivudally by the time we fight her in the story

[zenith coral]

yeah.

[signal bough]

Light is continuation and preservation

[low ether]

Okay Zhiraok felt like a weird case with his portrait, skin limitations be damned, but Tasim's portraits kinda...well the beard blended to his face a bit too well 💀

Worse at a distance, good lord

[solid ibex]

fair

[hybrid gazelle]

those protrait are made early on

and Tex is overwork as fuck so I understnad why their quality is different from newer protrait

[solid ibex]

i havent seen the new tasim portraits

[zenith coral]

like i want saphanis to be a threat when we face him, so i want lots of causalties. people should die, or else se would feel like the bigger threat

which would be ridiculous

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it also the problem with Tex try to make every protrait express at the cost of the fact that

every indivudal protrait need to be redrawn from mostly scratch because each pixels been move according to the chracter emote

which is why Tex's protrait are often more expressive rcompare to cherv early protrait

[zenith coral]

in my head i picture it like the ORT fight where we jump it with the entire cast and it still beats our ass badly

[hybrid gazelle]

which not to say they are lesser than one another

it just intresting thing to point out how each artists work on protrait

though cherv do add more motion to their protrait to their recent work now with Aster

[low ether]

Same and id have to start on a new char to do all that

[hybrid gazelle]

it's pretty cool

I think the new protrait is way better than the old

[regal spire]

Do we have any pics of the new tasim portraits, and the cutscene music in echoes of changed sync’d?

[low ether]

think a comparison between old and new was posted earlier, spoiler marked

[solid ibex]

ahhh

this is better yea

[hybrid gazelle]

did they mean wavebreaker???

[formal bridge]

No

The sunrise one

you know, the useless one in relos?

[hybrid gazelle]

relos got a captain???

[manic kraken]

tasm

[solid ibex]

theres a fast travel from relos to legendary island

[slim belfry]

uh

[slim belfry]

are king's recruits portraits out yet

[manic kraken]

i wanna see saphanis get a sacrifice attack where it feels like we tryna fight the shatter dragon Thunderfang

like i wanna see him sacrifice half the players in the battle to fuel a beam of some shit to try and kill off the rest

[tropic pelican]

what did they do to my twink

[manic kraken]

like straight up yoink half the players' souls and then try to do some domain expansion from dark souls or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

In Relos

like

Relos

[split night]

can you send me a picture of Relos as well

[hybrid gazelle]

why

[split night]

i forgot what relos look like

[solid ibex]

yes

[formal bridge]

Ya sure

[solid ibex]

geniunely

[split night]

is it part of Corkus island

[solid ibex]

im so deadass

[hybrid gazelle]

if I am at CORKUS ISLAND

THEN I USE GO TO LL MYSELF

like 😭

[split night]

the hell

what is the point of that fast travel then

😭

[slim belfry]

attempt to make relos useful

[split night]

it's literally useless

[hybrid gazelle]

the distance between Relos to Corkus and LL to Corkus is barely any different

[tropic pelican]

aren’t there a few fast travels for like 400 blocks

[split night]

Least use ocean travel service

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For reference on how fast you can get there

[signal bough]

least used fast travel period

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Fast travel few probably know exists

[signal bough]

even tempo town-nemract has gotta be used more often

and then thesead-eltom has you use it in a quest

[split night]

legit look faster to just walk to legendary island

😭

[formal bridge]

Tempo town nemrack at least has a use

get from one side of wynn to the other if you're in TT

thesead-eltom connects cross the canyon from the juggler fast travel

[split night]

tt and nemrack is somewhat usuable

[signal bough]

if you are in tempo town: leave

[hybrid gazelle]

wthis is not fast travel

[tropic pelican]

detlas to alekin village

[hybrid gazelle]

this is slow travel

[formal bridge]

There is genuinely no reason to go to relos besides one secret discovery

You don't even have a fast travel point to it

[split night]

beside the SD it's literally less relevant than Maltic

😭

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The only scenario I can imagine using this is if you want to go to southern corkus

[split night]

what's the point of this

[formal bridge]

so you fast travel to LI

then go to relos

That's it

[limber swan]

uhhh I don't think the earlygame portraits are used yet . . .

[formal bridge]

Yeah early game still has no portraits

[split night]

why is he purple now

[formal bridge]

he got derned

[limber swan]

idk why they haven't added them yet

they are done

[formal bridge]

Time

burnout

[slim belfry]

gonna dm the guy

[limber swan]

resource pack

[formal bridge]

And they're probably going to update the quests anyway so no reason not to just save it for then lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

I love the new Tasim protrait so much

MEEFY

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blushing tasim will be used for one reason #btw

[hybrid gazelle]

RIGHT ON QUEUE

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here to spread the agenda

hello best friend trashie

[split night]

he look much older now

i love it

[hybrid gazelle]

love how he has his ear ring now

[mossy widget]

also early gam isnt in yet cause they likely wanna drop all early game portraits at the same time so its not jarring

[hybrid gazelle]

he got 4 sprite dedicated being sad

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my dreams are trueeee

[low ether]

yk i didnt even realize one of those was blushy

[mossy widget]

ONE REASON FOR ONE MAN

[formal bridge]

Yeah I assume early game will be saved for when they want to do another dump of big changes to stuff, even if it's just adding dialogue portraits

Cause you have all the other fruman recruits too

they got potraits as well

[zenith coral]

its when you dress up as aledar i think

[split night]

are we getting more hint of the yaoi when the new portrait drop

[low ether]

..Well my memory's shot to hell on beginning quests

[formal bridge]

Not much worth to remember lmao

[split night]

im just gonna wait until RoL rework to redo early wynn quest

rn it's not worth it

[low ether]

Yeahhh fair, most had minimal impact on my memory

[split night]

it's kinda boring

[mossy widget]

when they drop the early game portraits and tasim and aledar are blushing at one another people will still be like NAHHHH WE ALL BLUSH AT OUR BESTIES YALL

[zenith coral]

indeed you dress up as aledar on the alternate route where you tell him he is dead to cheer him up and he blushes

not toxic at all

[formal bridge]

Revamping wynn quests at this point are just like

[split night]

more yaoi

[formal bridge]

You gotta start somewhere

But until then there's so much that needs to be reworked

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we need more

[formal bridge]

Literally everything needs the fruman touch lmao

Don't even get started with the entirety of wynnex

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wynnex is so fucking hilarious

[zenith coral]

im still not sure why ct had tasim blushing at aledars corpse, im sure nothing is going on

[formal bridge]

Wynnex is really the last man standing of the most elder wynn story quests

I sometimes read over the old removed quests on the wiki and it is 1 to 1 the same as those

Like, the previous end to the orc war quests was exactly the same vibe in a bad way

[hybrid gazelle]

too bad taht like

Wynnex is not that important in grand of scheme

[mossy widget]

this difference will forever make me giggle like holy

[zenith coral]

i will forever hold that old aledar dialogue is better than whatever they replaced it with. he told us that we had no bonds, no renown, no friends no allies and he was right

[hybrid gazelle]

so it did not aim to get rework compare to ROL or AJB

[formal bridge]

Yeah I'm very curious to learn what CT decides to remake first lmao

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We Do Though

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RoL or AJB seems most likely

[hybrid gazelle]

his hair ahs been moisturize

[formal bridge]

I think it works better for the current storyline

[zenith coral]

i like the wynn player character more that he has no support network at all imo

[low ether]

thats...one way to phrase it
Good care routine n all that

[hybrid gazelle]

A single CT did say that they want to remake AJB/AJF and ROL after Fruma

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the player has like 10 trillion friends

[zenith coral]

not really

we have allies

and the addition of friends made me sad

[mossy widget]

maxie ava tasim korzim ineos rhay lari etc etc

[formal bridge]

Previous quests in SE were very much the end of the game and had some of that old wynn stank on them still

[hybrid gazelle]

This would against player character being self insert cause no way they would have that many friends

[formal bridge]

Aledar being willing to kill the player as a sacrifice also conflicts with teh tasim storyline

were they going to sacrifice him? That would kind mess up his whole tragic story

[mossy widget]

its just so inaccurate for aledar to say we have nobody. yes we do LOL

[formal bridge]

We got Maxie

if it weren't for how much we moved around we could have had wedding corkus quest (which they better add when they revamp corkus)

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maxie invites us to his WEDDING LIKE YES WE ARE FRIENDS

[hybrid gazelle]

the old AJF dialogue jsut make Aledar feel like ignorant asshole

[zenith coral]

maxie doesnt care about us now that he is politically important, ava is a terrorist and used us for her own ends, tasim never cared about us, korzim as a non-human doesnt understand frirnedship, rhay cares about maxie not us, lari sees us as a thief

[formal bridge]

The direct previous story quest is Breaking Point which is all about the friends we made along the way

[mossy widget]

ok this is ragebait

[hybrid gazelle]

wait

meefy who you talking to

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[mossy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[zenith coral]

i loved his dialogue imo

[mossy widget]

not U

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I know

who

[formal bridge]

Being in lore discussion is how I learned to just use the ignore function on discord more

[zenith coral]

but thats the wonder... the wonder of u

[mossy widget]

true