📚lore_discussion

[dim plover]

Selv wrote a short excerpt during the Hive Drabble days hinting at Qira’s past

[full jackal]

What hive drabbles?

[clear scaffold]

the only part that can be used as canon is really the dr legendary stuff

and that's because a festival references it

[dim plover]

I’ll find it in a sec but as a quick summary it hints at her, Gale and Ohms trying to escape some unspecified location, succeeding but at some tragic cost in the process

Whatever it is

Brb I’ll post it here

[full jackal]

Okay thanks!!!

[pine flower]

And that orja exists

[clear scaffold]

yeah

but gale personally hating dr legendary and orja's entire existence

[clear scaffold]

those are really the only part of drabbles to take as canon right now

[full jackal]

Wait if changelings can change their biology then would that mean that they could breed with humans and have children

[clear scaffold]

that dr legendary defintely flirted with gale. And well a servant called orja is defintely a favourite

[dim plover]

I mean either this excerpt is canon to the story or Selvut just really likes writing AU fanfiction of the Hive characters

[clear scaffold]

WAIT YOU CAN TELL GALE YOU WENT TO FRUMA?!

[pine flower]

Yes

[dim plover]

Which tbh has grounding I still really liked the story where Qira gets ragebaited by Matt from Wii Sports

[dim plover]

You mean in Hive Drabbles or

[clear scaffold]

nope i was just checking wiki

there is a dialogue option for telling gale

if you've done the secret discovery

[dim plover]

I misread your question

[pine flower]

After doing the house divided sd

[full jackal]

Cool

[clear scaffold]

kinda mean of the player to remind gale of that though

like with how gale suffered

[dim plover]

Yeah you can tell Gale but the game decides to employ the secret art of “Too early for important future reveal exposition” and force-tps Gale away

[clear scaffold]

ok to be fair though

she has valid reasons

i wouldn't want to remember the stuff she went through either

[pine flower]

Shouldve brought her diary frfr

[dim plover]

We need to tell her we killed Majin or smth I feel like that might stop her in her tracks enough for us to elaborate on our trip to Fruma

[clear scaffold]

ok yeah

we punched majin in the face would be a valid response

[dim plover]

We should’ve kept Majin’s cape dude

[clear scaffold]

probably traumatising

[pine flower]

Though to be fair we didnt kill Majin

[dim plover]

Literally like walk straight into the Hive wearing it like that one Invincible meme

[dim plover]

Nobody needs to know that
Both of us gets tped away and we come back with a bloodied Majin cape and no Majin

[full jackal]

I think considering how Gale writes about Majin she’s probably not traumatised just extremely pissed off at him and glad she’s rid of him. I’m sure she’d be overjoyed if we told her that Majin exploded into a bloody pulp

[dim plover]

Anyways uh about this

[clear scaffold]

he did kill himself

[dim plover]

Originally I didn’t really know what to do with the information but I reread it after completing Fruma and was like “oh my god”

[full jackal]

Better to kill yourself first then let your enemy kill you

[clear scaffold]

how to become gale's new best friend in one simple step

[full jackal]

This is a joke don’t kill yourself kids

[clear scaffold]

to be fair, majin did it by pure stupidity

he did the too much power stunt

which kinda feels in line. Gikyo dies by pure cruelty because sadist.
majin and his ego crave so much power it kills him

[pine flower]

If youre gonna die at least do it by imploding from consuming as much Cosmic power as possible

[full jackal]

I mean aside from his death portrait being cringe as fuck

Majin’s death was kinda aura

[split night]

I was glad he was death honestly

[clear scaffold]

there was no way he was gonna survive.

[split night]

he's an ass, and that's an understatement

[full jackal]

MAJIN IS SECOND DEATH IMPOSTER CONFIRMED???

[clear scaffold]

zhairok i thought was gonna die

but turns out he's one of the more reasonable ones. Soosu i thought did die but it did seem unfair but nah she deserved to live.

Gikyo in the first meeting at secret discoveries i wanted dead more just because he creeped me out

[pine flower]

Nah, Cosmic being Majin trust

[clear scaffold]

majin was the unreedemable ass who hurt anyone just being near him

[split night]

I think Gikyo is fine
Gale's discovery make me want to kill Majin a second time

[clear scaffold]

gikyo is a sadist to be fair

[split night]

yeah

I hate Gikyo too but the game don't let me see an example of that, he's a lovable asshole type shit

[clear scaffold]

eh i just didn't like how his head was at a 90 degree angle

anytime i see that i want to burn it with fire because i'm fully expecting him to go 180 degrees

[pine flower]

I did not find the torture holes lovable personally

[split night]

Reading through Gale's diary is like diving into trauma dump

[clear scaffold]

oh yeah there's a lot of torture stuff in his quest

[split night]

im paraphrasing someone i forgor

[clear scaffold]

like majin's more mental torture with physical assault, gikyo is "i'm going to enjoy this"

[full jackal]

I mean its fucked up what he did but also

It’s Gikyo

[split night]

Two assholes 😔

[full jackal]

You can really look at them for 5 seconds and tell me that goober isn’t entertaining as hell

[clear scaffold]

I'd rather deal with majin than gikyo

and that's just because majin is so punchable

[clear scaffold]

gikyo gives me psychopath vibes so no

[full jackal]

Even better then

[pine flower]

Ehh Rurie sweeps the entertainment competition

[full jackal]

For my entertainment at least

[full jackal]

Gikyo 100% seratoninmogs Rurie

I feel like I’ve committed a cardinal sin by typing that out

[frozen turtle]

Gikyo x Majin Yaoi* kinda?

i think Gikyo would be a good partner for Majin cuz Gikyo could turn into Majin

[full jackal]

…

[narrow kestrel]

Wtf happened between bak'al and anathema actually

[full jackal]

I wanna argue against this

But I can’t

[frozen turtle]

Majin would be into it, idk if Gikyo would be

[full jackal]

They broke up sorta

[frozen turtle]

Like the ideal partner for Majin would be.. Majin

and Gikyo could become Majin

[full jackal]

…

Fuck you’re completely right

[narrow kestrel]

??

Unhelpful

[frozen turtle]

We don't know why but Bak'al ditched Anathema and joined Saphanis

[regal spire]

If I read this right, Ba’kal essentially guided Anathema into destroying the old Fruman civilization, but it wasn’t until Ana realized the potential for a claim, and to hold something as her own, did she go away from her war roots and establish her matriarchy. I assume Ba’kal fucking hated that idea, and they had a falling out because of it

[uneven basin]

With how mad ana sounds talking about it it was probably harsher than a falling out

But yeah this

[full jackal]

I imagine it was something like this

https://youtu.be/w2TPBnAcJMI?si=SKYMH9Ja3aUaahw6

This is the only way I can imagine Anathema leaving Bak’al

[regal spire]

Ba’kal clearly just wanted to make boo boo bad stuff happen, which Ana didn’t exactly want to do. She wanted to have a nice lil suburban home, and be separate of her abusive parents. Too bad Ba’kal went over to dark thing, which I assume Ana would be more than pissed about

[full jackal]

I mean I wouldn’t exactly consider forcibly taking over a land and establishing a dictatorship non-boo boo bad stuff

But I guess it’s better than destroying it

The nice lil suburban home is kinda accurate tho

[frozen turtle]

Anathema came out as polyamorous and bak'al didnt like that actually

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider how Anathema describe Bak'al as loyal chaos

it probably discourse between how the queen want to bring Fruma in order

consider how Bak'al hold a grudge

it could be possible that he simply want to burn Fruma into the ground

but then when Anathema want to be its ruler and make it into something of her own

Bak'al probably disagree and leave

and that siege on Ragni centuries later

likely Bak'al following Dern Beast's order to get to Fruma through Ragni

and probably why the queen hate him because he has full intention to betray her

because if you think about it

Dern Beast plan literally make 0 sense to why it want Ragni destroy

[regal spire]

Can’t forget that she does blow people up. She ain’t good, but she never wanted to destroy the world, like Ba’kal ultimately wanted

[hybrid gazelle]

until you realize that in order to get through Fruma

you have to go through Ragni

either Saphanis plan is Bak'al to go destroy Fruma

or simply destroy Ragni to allow Corruption to run free into Fruma

it does not relaly matter

either way it would badly effect Fruma

[zenith coral]

arguably given how the realm beasts... exist it could very well be she never thought a other option for ruling existed

[hybrid gazelle]

and that attempt likely lead to Anathema hating Bak'al other than leaving her

there probably more

[regal spire]

Y’know, the SE ultimate doesn’t actually make a lot of sense, now

Only the eye part does, ig

[full jackal]

I mean like I think after their breakup like Bak’al goes on a depression arc just destroying everything in his path including Akias

[zenith coral]

i have no idea why we see through what is probably saphanis viewpoint

[regal spire]

But, “my will remains foreign”? Uh, Ana threatens to destroy your world, if you let your “will” be known

[full jackal]

And then he’s found by Saph who offers him to be their scion

[zenith coral]

he is afraid of being deported ig

[full jackal]

💀

[regal spire]

Was Ba’kal supposed to destroy Ana? Is that what Saph wanted with destroying Wynn?

[hybrid gazelle]

it likely reference to the fact that Dark influence are less knwon in the world

compare to the Light

[regal spire]

Isn’t the whole problem that corruption isn’t really useable by dark or light?

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think Saphanis would expect Bak'al to go up against Anathema

[regal spire]

wtf is Saph’s goal with Ba’kal rn

[zenith coral]

maybe he wanted him to elimate all resistance so he could move the se stuff without resistance to gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

but simply destroying Fruma or at least diverge her attention

[pine flower]

Free peon ofc

[hybrid gazelle]

by threatening Fruma at some capicity

[zenith coral]

which is probably why bak'al was hired

[hybrid gazelle]

it would force Anathema attention to unkeeping Fruma

than to interfere with the war

[regal spire]

I wonder if that was even a surefire capable plan, since the sovereigns are clearly capable fighters

[zenith coral]

he is basically saphanis middleman to control the corruption

[regal spire]

By the time of Bob, Ba’kal would’ve been fucking folded, and Ana wouldn’t even have to fight

[hybrid gazelle]

like I said

consider hte wording of how Saphanis wanting Ragni destroy

it likely to just threaten Fruma

[zenith coral]

bak'al is the focus of the dern beast to use corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

consider how Anathema said it clearly that both beasts aware that she would fuck over the owlrd just to spite them if everything fail

[narrow kestrel]

She did mention her mere presence on the map alone is making both Light and Dark hesitate in a full out war

[hybrid gazelle]

it likely simpyl threanting Fruma with corruption which in trun force her to diverge her attention

cause remember

[narrow kestrel]

so saphanis prob wanted to fuck fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

Anathema pioiritize Fruma above ALL ELSE

if Fruma is threaten by Corruption due to Ragni no long there

then Anathema would force to attend all her focus toward Fruma

than actually interfering with the war

[regal spire]

Ana doesn’t have anything to lose, if Fruma is threatened, though. She’ll just destroy everything, which isn’t something Saph wants either. This is a huge gamble, with, like, a very unlikely payout on Saph’s end

[narrow kestrel]

As long as fruma isnt outright destroyed

Ana is in a stalemate

[hybrid gazelle]

LIke I said

just THREATEN

not outright destroy

[narrow kestrel]

Which wouldnt be an issue for saphanis because orphion got fucked already

[hybrid gazelle]

having Corruption seep into Fruma territory

would be enough to diverge her attention

[narrow kestrel]

so its just a matter of removing both pieces off the chess board at the same time

[hybrid gazelle]

as long as Fruma itself is not destroy completely

Anathema would not do last resort

[regal spire]

If the world starts getting attacked by Saph, though, Idt Ana would suddenly let it happen to protect Fruma. She’s smart enough to know that, eventually, they would lose this claim, and Saph would try to infiltrate it

[narrow kestrel]

I still wanna know what the fuck role the reso weaver will play in the future storylines tho

[hybrid gazelle]

again Like I said

it will divert her attention

[narrow kestrel]

From what I've read its what ana and bak'al used to create a vessel?

[hybrid gazelle]

she is not all omnipresent

so corruption threatening Fruma will keep her occupy and busy

ofc she will not ignore every action Dern Beast take

but it will be diffiuclt for her to make decision

to either protect Fruma or try to stop Saphanis

it's the pressure

[regal spire]

It wouldn’t, though. It would distract her for a moment, before she realizes what’s going on, and she wouldn’t have a choice but to destroy everything.

[narrow kestrel]

ok and you would know thats not what she wants

she says it herself that she wouldnt willingly choose it

Post-raid

[regal spire]

Ofc she wouldn’t, but Saph doesn’t know that

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah extactly it's still huge gamble but it still would keep the queen busy from interfering with its goal

[narrow kestrel]

Unless she gets outright killed

[zenith coral]

which orphion told us to do

[regal spire]

For all intents and purposes, Saph assumes that, even attempting to threaten fruma, Ana would destroy everything

The end goal with the eye makes sense, then, but Ba’kal’s usage does not

[hybrid gazelle]

not really because it give a CHANCE of Fruma being safe as long as she keep her attention

[narrow kestrel]

^

[hybrid gazelle]

and not outright comfirm Fruma will be destroy

[zenith coral]

for all intents and purposes we are the catalyst that removed all the obstacles for the second clash between light and dark

[narrow kestrel]

Her main priority is fruma

[zenith coral]

well done

[narrow kestrel]

ok but kinda her fault for not explaining shit to us/negotiating

[hybrid gazelle]

that mean that the queen would have less time

[narrow kestrel]

💀

[hybrid gazelle]

to be prepare to come up plan with like for example

Tasim thing

if Ragni is destroy and Corruption get into Fruma

[narrow kestrel]

She knew we could be a valuable ally but still chose to fuck around for some reason just because she managed to snag Tasim

[regal spire]

Less time to prepare for a plan, though, would be more of a reason to resort to her old instincts. Like, imagine if her shell was broken during this gamble, too. Saph would’ve ultimately lost everything, regardless

[narrow kestrel]

maybe she'll be a bit smarter when she gains consciousness again

[hybrid gazelle]

again as long as Fruma remain

she likely will not do the last resort

she do not see the future nor omnipotence

[slender copper]

Two gave us the reason why, and it's because we're unpredictable.

[hybrid gazelle]

Saphanis could easily advance its plan without interference as long as the queen busy with Fruma

she probably would not even know its progress over the war

[pine flower]

She knew we wouldnt hesitate to kill her for 10m xp, 2 le, and a useless ingredient

[zenith coral]

if you know our history you wouldnt have picked us too, its not that we lack power, its that we are uncontrallable

[regal spire]

Fruma wouldn’t remain, though, is the problem. If they’re attempting even the slightest touch on Fruma, she would not hesitate to destroy everything. This is the idea that Saph has, and I’m assuming Orphion as well. Saph is actively trying to find ways to get around Fruma, because of it, even using losers like Ba’kal to better destroy the inhabitants of Wynn and siege that part of the world.

Ana doesn’t actually have to do anything, or want to do anything, but the implication is that Ana threatens total annihilation, if she is touched at all

[hybrid gazelle]

again

last resort

IDK how to stretch this

[regal spire]

It isn’t a last resort to Saph

It’s the only one

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Saphanis know for sure that as long as Fruma remain intact

[full jackal]

I mean well considering how (at least before they rewrite RoL) easily we accepted Orphion’s worldview without question

[hybrid gazelle]

The queen would not fucking blow everything

[full jackal]

I don’t blame her for not liking us

[pine flower]

Ana threatens Annihilation? I thought they were roommates

[frozen turtle]

I could see the Queen also just destroying the rest of Wynn not Fruma (at least first)

[zenith coral]

hell he hired us as a contract killer WITHOUT PAY

[slim belfry]

anni is more like her dog

[full jackal]

YEA I KNOW RIGHT

WE DID PEST EXTERMINATION FOR ORPHION

WE DID THE WHOLE “SAVE HIM” SHTICK

We are not trustworthy to restore balance X_X

[narrow kestrel]

She does not like War

[regal spire]

Which is exactly why nobody touches it. But, if we’re under the implication that Ba’kal is trying to weaken Wynn, and potentially open Fruma to damage, why would Saph allow this. They only know Ana to have one plan: leave me alone, or attack me and lose everything

[hybrid gazelle]

LOok

[narrow kestrel]

She is literally the beast of war but she hates War

[zenith coral]

well orphion doesnt want balance

[hybrid gazelle]

if us fucking around in Fruma and completely fucking over everything

does not result in her blowing everything up

[slender copper]

They rewrote it for Fruma? Or is this just an older version of the quest.

[hybrid gazelle]

then corruption threatening Fruma territory

would not cause her to do last resort

that simply it

[pine flower]

War roommates

[narrow kestrel]

Wheres the postraid gdoc

[full jackal]

NO they didn’t

[narrow kestrel]

I feel like that would solve everything here

[full jackal]

They’re gonna rewrite it soon presumably

[zenith coral]

wait till wastelands for epilogue

[slender copper]

So an older version, got it.

[full jackal]

Yea and we helped Orphion (which is not very good to restore balance helping one side is pretty bad actually)

[split night]

She despite her own existent due to the very nature of it being born lesser and beneath
She is suffered and tortured for eons

[regal spire]

We don’t have attachment. We aren’t trying to take over the world, and we don’t have any idea wtf Ana is, or that she even threatens the idea of destruction. We only know The Queen, until she turns into a big moth and accidentally opens a rift.

Saph is not like us, and has no perspective besides the threat. For all they know, Ana is a fucking monster, and would destroy everything at the slightest implication of Fruma being touched

[zenith coral]

hell give us the premium matrix as a reward

[frozen turtle]

(i mean we were restoring balance as Saphanis was currently way stronger so we were balancing it by helping Oprhion)

[zenith coral]

hence her name

[hybrid gazelle]

the result is still the same
Fruma is threaten
the queen occupy with us

[full jackal]

I mean yea true but we still accepted his mindset of light=good dark=bad. Never once did we ever push back against this

[split night]

We do have attachment
Tasim is the sole motive why we entered Fruma and stay in it in the first place

[frozen turtle]

we do accept it blindly but i wouldnt say we're ruining the balance

[hybrid gazelle]

if the queen is trigger happy asyo umake her to be with her last resort

[zenith coral]

well actually im pretty sure he didnt say that and even denied it

[hybrid gazelle]

she would have done so by the end of APotheosis LOL

[zenith coral]

its just everything else depicts light as good and dark as bad due to a lack of light doing bad

[frozen turtle]

Would the queen of destroyed Fruma or just tried to take over Wynn

i mean probably if she destroys Wynn, Fruma will shall ig

[regal spire]

But it isn’t the same, because it’s being executed by two completely different concepts. You don’t react to a beetle in the house, usually, until the infestation breaks the walls. However, if a fire threatens to burn your home to the ground, you’re getting tf out of there. They’re two entirely different scenarios, entirely different motivations, from entirely different sources.

[full jackal]

That is honestly the worst problem about Gavel

Light is apparently just as bad as Dark

[hybrid gazelle]

agaiun it the same result, Fruma is threaten and her attention is diverged

[zenith coral]

we need to see the light ruining lives

[hybrid gazelle]

nothing more

[full jackal]

But we don’t see them actually do anything bad

[full jackal]

YES

[hybrid gazelle]

Agree to disagree

that it

[narrow kestrel]

She never would have done it

[zenith coral]

like the orphion is bad reveal wasnt supposed to be much of a reveal at all lol

[frozen turtle]

It's lowkey just because the Light is failing so they cant be doing bad stuff

[narrow kestrel]

It was just a threat

[frozen turtle]

its a skill issue lowkey

[split night]

not really, she is bluffing, literally

[narrow kestrel]

But she knew they wouldnt try to call her bluff

[split night]

Orphion is just very ass

[hybrid gazelle]

we know that the Fruma queen is a city builder gamer and not War Simulation Gamer

because if she was the later

she would rule Wynn by now

[narrow kestrel]

Bad take

[zenith coral]

id like to imagine all of his good pr comes from him being incapacitated and the remnants of him just fighting dark on instinct

[regal spire]

And then, what, Saph tries to take it over? That wouldn’t work, because Ana isn’t an idiot. She would see what happens, and immediately destroy the world. In this hypothetical threat that Saph’s entire reason for not fighting harder is there for.

[hybrid gazelle]

agree to disagree

[narrow kestrel]

Light good Dark bad

I paid attention to the story

This was definitely the message

[frozen turtle]

If she wanted to, she probably could like Wipe out Wynn which I dont think Light & Dark would like

[zenith coral]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-slander-we-cant-even-read-O6BGGuHVdmGNS4pcps

[split night]

She did explained it too, she know that these two egomaniac gods ARE NOT allowing an inferior, something beneath them, destroy the Physical plane

postraid dialog

[narrow kestrel]

She could and would (see: the MASSIVE fucking portal near detlas) but she never will

[split night]

Light and Dark have big egos guys
Ana is utilizing it

[narrow kestrel]

The only thing holding light and dark back is having dogshit scions tbh

😭

[full jackal]

Gughghg it’s kinda complicated honestly cuz like we know light would pull a WynnSwap ™ if they had the chance but they don’t and that kinda misguides us into thinking that light is good actually but they’re not they’re just another selfish force trying to rule over the world

[frozen turtle]

Saphanis might be cooking though

[narrow kestrel]

orphion didnt tell lari what to do properly, saphanis had to steal anathema's scion

only anathema picked properly

[hybrid gazelle]

Saphanis does not even has scion
so Bak'al is pretty good for like a free borrowed product

[narrow kestrel]

🤷‍♂️

[full jackal]

Does Saph even have scions??

[split night]

Orphion is shit 😭
you think he would say anything about the parasite at LEAST withing the same year it landed

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion is a sucker tho

[split night]

and that's 1000 years ago

[narrow kestrel]

No

[zenith coral]

saphanis went into debt btw

[frozen turtle]

Saph is lowkey smart, instead of giving up power he's just taking Scion of other people

[narrow kestrel]

None that we know of atleast

[hybrid gazelle]

like okay

[narrow kestrel]

But he stole Bak'al

[hybrid gazelle]

let' s look at this way

[narrow kestrel]

from Ana

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al is like a borrwed and free product

[split night]

the parasite landed 1000 years ago
Orphion HAD 1000 years to convince or AT LEAST communicate with Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

so for what he does

it pretty good for essentailly free

[split night]

it's insane incompetence

[narrow kestrel]

lowk if Bak'al wasnt stolen by Saphanis this whole questline would end with us dead in fruma's gates

[full jackal]

You’d think Orphion would tell Lari immediately “hey dude murder that fuck ass bug now or else thousands of people will die and you have 0 other choice or else I’m leaving for the milk” But NOOOOOO

[narrow kestrel]

💀

[uneven basin]

Orphion has 1000 years to say something or find a gavelian "pulse" he's a chump

[hybrid gazelle]

like are you gonna complain that your free microwave does not work as well as the recently brought one?

like ofc no

it fucking free man

[uneven basin]

Why tf didn't he give dullahan the choice, is he stupid ?

[narrow kestrel]

i mean

[split night]

YEAH THIS TOO

[frozen turtle]

Dullahan knew what to do but, wasnt given power

[full jackal]

Dullahan is lowkey so much more competent than Lari

[narrow kestrel]

Bak'al is the only competent scion we've seen so far though is he not

[frozen turtle]

Also Dullahan saying he had "visions" always confused me

[split night]

WHY, if Dullaha have the desire to kill it why didn't Orphion say something

😭

[full jackal]

If Dullahan was in charge Gavel would be so much better

[full jackal]

Maybe Orphion is just a dumbass canonically

[narrow kestrel]

He made the vessel for ana, he ripped that massive portal, and now hes fucking up lari's shit in dern (presumably)

[split night]

I'd argue it would be MUCH worse

similar to Two's vision of light taking over

[frozen turtle]

maybe Orphion couldnt make another Scion or smth idk

[zenith coral]

orphion got the wrong number

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion barely fucking threatening man

[full jackal]

Ah shit right forgot about that

[split night]

Orphion literally contact a random fuckass 1000 years later, i doubt this

[full jackal]

I guess Gavel doesn’t really have any way of winning

[narrow kestrel]

The first and last time we see of him was him getting topped by the parasite

💀

[uneven basin]

Thank you lari your stubbornness shields us

[frozen turtle]

we're a pulse not a scion

[narrow kestrel]

its not really a good first impression

[frozen turtle]

and it seeems Dullahan is not strong enough as a non-scion to kill Parasite

[split night]

yes i know, im talking about JUST contact

not even giving power

we're enough to deal with the parasite

[narrow kestrel]

I think the point was that the Parasite couldnt be killed without a scion's power

[regal spire]

Ana doesn’t want to do anything but live in her lil totalitarian home, which is established by her, and Two’s perspective. She would likely fail to act, if necessary, unless her shell was broken.

However, Saph does not know this, and couldn’t know it, until they placed the big eye. I’m assuming that was the whole point of the eye: a way to monitor the entire province, and potentially get sight into Ana’s claim, and see for a weakness. However, Ba’kal having desires to get into Fruma messes up motivations by Saph, and ends up making them look worse for it, since this potentially compromises the only motivation thats holding them back. Maybe it actually makes Ba’kal look worse, more so, since he’s actively going against Saph to better try and spread their “influence”, instead of their “will” (whatever tf will means, in this context).

[split night]

Orphion's job was just TALK, and he CHOOSE not to

which is something to think about

[frozen turtle]

Like..
either Dullahan is psychic or something
or Orphion was giving Dullahan visions because we know Orphion gives elves vision

[narrow kestrel]

it was stated multiple times in the gavel storyline that Lari could have no-diffed the parasite like. Any time in the past 1000 years

until eventually it got strong enough

for her to lose even if she was serious in killing it

[frozen turtle]

the player is a scion confirmed?
and yeah apparently non-scions can't kill it unless they're like us and just skilled at the game

[regal spire]

Do we have an answer to what “Will” is in Saph’s ultimate

[narrow kestrel]

I mean

[split night]

we aren't blessed so no

[narrow kestrel]

Orphion finishes The Parasite off

😭

[regal spire]

Influence has a pretty defined concept, now, but what’s their “will”

[split night]

every scion need to be blessed to get that title

[zenith coral]

its his will if he dies.

his inheritance

[regal spire]

Bro can’t die 😔

[full jackal]

Wait but the fact that

[frozen turtle]

im talking about those theories who think the player is a scion or a realm beast for idk what realm

[uneven basin]

So in lore we knock it off off orphion and he finishes the job once it's down ?

[full jackal]

We can kill the parasite

[regal spire]

They can only be spread into nonexistence, which is basically dying

[full jackal]

But Orphion can’t

[split night]

I like the idea that Light and Dark are parallel
while War and Phyiscal Plane are opposite

[narrow kestrel]

Yes

[zenith coral]

he can but a new realm beast will just pop out

[full jackal]

Like was he ambushed or something

[split night]

xd

[frozen turtle]

why didnt Orphion just kill the parasite from the start 🤔

[narrow kestrel]

The only reason he was like that was because he got caught offguard

[regal spire]

But they both fight against each other to prove the opposite lmao

[zenith coral]

indeed see the light forest sd

[split night]

we really have a history of people stealing our kill

[regal spire]

We’ve never killed anything, in lore. Someone always steals the kill

[narrow kestrel]

Ultimate Discovery of Light Forest involves The Eye taunting Orphion as the parasite ambushes him for free

[frozen turtle]

so true, everyone is a kill stealer

[uneven basin]

That orc skin I'm wearing? Don't worry it was a stolen kill so I basically didn't do anything

[frozen turtle]

i bet they're gonna re-write Fort Trandawn or whatever and have like a Croaquinn come in and get all the final kills

[full jackal]

Wait what even is Charon though

[narrow kestrel]

Like. If the parasite was strong enough to waltz through ROL and just no-diff Orphion then Lari couldnt have done shit to begin with

[full jackal]

Like does he rule over the undead hordes or just Ancient Nemcract

[regal spire]

“I swear, it was some random level 80, you have to believe me”

[narrow kestrel]

The only reason we had to save Orphion was that he got ambushed

[hybrid gazelle]

you know

everytime I look at wynncraft players talking about these thing

[split night]

soul magic magician

[full jackal]

So like… he says his army can’t die

[split night]

we encounter 3 Soul magic user and all of them turn out to be bad

[hybrid gazelle]

I realize how miracle that characters like those in TF2 manage to be likable and intresting to look

[full jackal]

But it’s provably false

Like we kill his army

I don’t see them reviving

Or maybe I killed him too fast to see that

[frozen turtle]

Charon is a skeleton guy

[split night]

well at least Mael is fine i suppose?
im not sure if mael see spirit or he directly control them
Charon is an evil soul magician
Dullahan is an evil soul Magician
that random fuckass in Canyon of the lost is an evil soul magician

[uneven basin]

Charon is one of the dozen skeleton generals of corruption no ? Like those we see in word events and stuff ?

[regal spire]

Who is this random CotL fuck ass again

[full jackal]

Ah okay

[regal spire]

The fruity wizard?

[hybrid gazelle]

CHaron magic is called outdated wynncraft lore

[uneven basin]

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

cause IDK wtf going on with his thing

[split night]

the guy who control the soul of another guy that block the gate to theseed
and also a lot of bandits

[full jackal]

Like how does corruption attack though

[uneven basin]

Diet CoW I think

[full jackal]

Like they have commanders lieutenants captains

Can they organise or something?

They can communicate?

[regal spire]

Fruity Wizard, yeah

[full jackal]

I mean they have militias

But then who is in charge?

Are they like individual military juntas?

[uneven basin]

Stronger corrupted seem to be able to

[full jackal]

Is annihilation in charge?

[uneven basin]

Prolly not that's more like an animal

[regal spire]

It’s really unclear if Charon is a part of a greater community of necromancers, or if they’re the most powerful one, or if they’re just a dead dude with necrotic powers

[full jackal]

I mean are devils and corrupted fighting together

[uneven basin]

Also there's a dozen annis in the realm of war

[full jackal]

Or are they like just individual things

[uneven basin]

Not that I remember

[regal spire]

I always assumed they were just a necromancer that got trapped in a level 20 area

[uneven basin]

Trashie has a diagram about this

I think

[regal spire]

Devils are entirely separate of undead

I feel like they behave similarly enough, though, to say that they’re motivated the same way

They’re both kinda mindless

[full jackal]

I know, I mean they have the same motivation and stuff: to destroy shit so I guess they’d be passive towards each other?

[regal spire]

They’d actually probably attack

[full jackal]

I mean like I imagine there are three kinds of war enemies in wynn

[regal spire]

In lore, the undead just sorta roam around hitting shit, and devils do the same with each other, even themselves

[full jackal]

Undead: Corrupted Dead People, Corrupted: Corrupted Alive People and Devils: Corruption manifest

Undead and Corrupted generally work together though maybe Corrupted like Bak’al would be stronger

[frozen turtle]

is Charon th cause for the undead in Nemract

[full jackal]

Devils are sorta doing their own thing????

[frozen turtle]

there are so many undead

[full jackal]

Uh… maybe

[zenith coral]

no idea he seemed meaningfully different than the average guy

[regal spire]

Charon does indeed kill people, and then revive them

[full jackal]

I mean eventually they’d run out of graves right?

You’d think they’d find every grave in Wynn and burn it all

[split night]

he's, really old lore stuff lv 20
is he even relevant anymor

[frozen turtle]

I'd imagine corrupted people would have at least some level of intelligence, devils wouldnt bc no anathema

[full jackal]

And eventually there’d be no more graves and you have to kill people to get more undead

[zenith coral]

well even animals have intelligence so i do think they have some

[full jackal]

Wait but Annihilation summons Infernal Subjugates who are skeletons though I think

[uneven basin]

Uuuuh they're like, there to help it but maybe not really really summoned by anni ?

[dim plover]

Hi sorry for the lack of updates regarding the funny mob abilities btw

I was trying to figure out what deranged psychopath made the skinfile for the funny red WTP war moth

||(Yes I know it's auto-mapped via some program but either Wynncraft outsourced the modeling to a party separate from the ones that did Orphion and TNA or whoever made this in the team just decided to randomly use another system)||

Except why on earth are there like 3-4 actually properly mapped cubes what

(They're the ends of the antennae)

They want to make me go insane I swear to god
Whoever wants me to include Anathema in a fake cutscene is going to pay an actual fortune

[untold warren]

Yoooo

[full jackal]

Who is Ragnar btw

[cedar kernel]

Are the other characters in fruma all normal lol

I could even check, I have the files decompiled too…

[dim plover]

They are yeah

This is the first skinfile I’ve dealt with so far whose parts are all unstructured and random

[abstract snow]

that was almost a year ago 😭

but yeah ragnar when

[chilly tulip]

When they eventually get to updating Underworld Crypt, do yall think they’re going to change Charon’s lore that much? Like would he become a lieutenant to Bak’al?

Because Charon right now is just kinda just Bak’al lite with the all the resurrecting dead people as zombies and skeletons

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon 100% will have his lore change

and I think Charon can stay as his own thing without being directly connected to Bak'al

he certainly could hint Bak'al existence

but he can exist as standalone villain

because he predate Bak'al from what I see

[abstract snow]

ya hes kinda just a basic evil guy

[summer bluff]

Hot take Charon is less of a fraud than bakal

[sick quest]

FR

Charon a real one

[tropic locust]

yeah but only because bakal betrayed ana

[clear scaffold]

i'll be honest, i felt more threatened by bak'al than charon... which still wasn't much

[chilly tulip]

When was Ancient Nemract destroyed?

[exotic bough]

tbh all this talk of charon and ragnar gave me a slight motive to rewrite/expand their characters

concept for ragnar:
Formerly a Wings commander, Ragnar would lose his position after deserting his squad during [insert event here, not necessarily important] in 985 AP. The Crown would later find and capture the ex-commander leading to him being sent to Deraj, slated to be exiled to Wynn. In his inquisition, the standard mind-wiping protocol would not work due to his blessing of constitution (wings commanders get these iirc; i.e. resilience). Instead, he is conditioned to fulfill the role of Wynn's next private demigod, and that he would bask in the glory of the people's adoration. When he arrived in Wynn, Ragnar had a natural instinct to partake in single-handedly defending several cities in Wynn, though this was not out of duty but instead his desire for praise.

[mossy badge]

Who tf is even ragnar in real lore

Bro's mentioned like 3 times and it doesn't make it clear who he was

[hybrid gazelle]

0 ap or whatever

Definitely too soon

[exotic bough]

concept for charon:
A part of the ancient Fruman colony of Nevraksh, Charon practiced the art of soothsaying. His accurate predictions of what is to come led him to become the de facto governor of the colony. However, Charon's magical ability was sourced from the magic of the dead (a combination of soul stuff like mael and necromancy), a crime punishable by death in the old fruman civilization (prob not said in old fruman stuff so im taking creative liberty here). After gathering enough power, he foresaw the Equinox and the red blight that would doom the Old Fruman civilization. After the source of his magic was publicly revealed, Charon placed a spell on himself that he would rise again and have his revenge against Nevraksh when the red blight arrived. When the blight appeared, Charon's body was reanimated and driven solely on the instinct to destroy his former colony.

and then uh...

idk maybe the people get enough magic to banish him to the underworld crypt

tbh now im realizing this is too similar to dullahan

but oh well

[chilly tulip]

Ok wait who’s Ragnar? I have literally never heard of this person

[exotic bough]

some wynn hero

[chilly tulip]

Are they just mentioned in NPC dialogue

[exotic bough]

he was originally gonna be a major character back when gavel was still being developed but that was scrapped and now he just exists in dialogue

[chilly tulip]

Huh

So was he like a prototype Siegfried then?

Or was he seperate

[exotic bough]

he still exists so he prob wasnt replaced with siegfried

[chilly tulip]

Does he actually exist or is he just an artifact of scrapped content?

[exotic bough]

i mean fruma did make a reference to him in ajh

but he doesnt exist anywhere on the map

[spring kernel]

oh that's who that was talking about? I assumed it was robert

[exotic bough]

nah hes publicly known as bob so it wouldnt make much sense for a new recruit of wynn to think their hero was called "Robert" when 95% of people call him "Bob"

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma 100% would not know bob as Robert lol

That like his actual real name

It like knowing full name of the YouTuber

[chilly tulip]

Gonna be honest when I first heard Ragnar I thought somehow that was gonna be tied into Ragni’s origins

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah Ragnar just only reference

Through just like Nilrem he barely has actual impact

[chilly tulip]

It sounds too similar in my head

[hybrid gazelle]

Or barely an actual character for that matter

He just

A guy that mention once or twice

[chilly tulip]

Side note what would yall think about making Skiens Island a dungeon? It’s barely relevant in two quests so it would be nice to have it do something

[hybrid gazelle]

They are like old sovereigns but they are shit

Cause there 0 thing actually intresting about them

At least old sovereigns have history and family lines

[hybrid gazelle]

Well it gonna have to fight gg

And skien island always meant to be just “hidden” in a way

So I don’t thjnk it will be dungeon

[chilly tulip]

I guess

I just wish it had something more besides popping in for two quests

[hybrid gazelle]

The lore old as fuck anyway

So like idk

Maybe there coukd be a quest

Just maybe

[chilly tulip]

I mean I still don’t really get it lore wise because Skiens was also in Troms but maybe that’s just me

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh no it make absolutely 0 sense

Good thing I manage to make it work(I think) for wartorn project

[chilly tulip]

What do you do there for it?

[hybrid gazelle]

Skien failed so he and his loyal men send to the island to be enforcer and protector for the next villager and human project(which is to establish selchar)

His exile came from Troms trying to save face and claiming that they will reform the military(hence general Eveni)

Skien and his men first send to the island to act as military base for soon to be build Selchar

Where they going to protect the construction from pirates and other faction

[chilly tulip]

Did villagers come to Wynn earlier in your AU?

[hybrid gazelle]

No it is 900 AP

However skien gone mad

[uneven basin]

Posted some rambly Aelumia toughts on the forums : https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/aelumia-urbanism-thread.324780/

[hybrid gazelle]

And the construction of selchar get delay by years

There found it

[chilly tulip]

Bobs only been gone for like 25 years right?

[cedar ravine]

Is there a lore master doc somewhere? (if so can i have the link :-])

[echo ravine]

Bobs like my bestie

[gloomy idol]

16, yeah

984 ap

[chilly tulip]

I’m surprised we dont get indications of people actually knowing him, especially in military leadership and the like

I know it’s not like there’s chances for us to ask about it to people, but it does feel like he “died” a lot longer ago

[regal spire]

Echoes of change cutscene ost dropped

Time to replay fruma for the 4th time

[south ginkgo]

wait, what if ||the Realm of Dern connects to the Wastelands||

[regal spire]

What’s if the realm of Dern connects to SE

I’ve got a couple theories…

[shy hemlock]

what if the realm of dern connects to the realm of light

[signal bough]

I think there's a possibility of a link

like the tar

obsessors have goop

[frigid abyss]

In the opening to fruma’s story we had to do a tourney to see who is best for the queen’s goal and Tasim was Chosen over us, probably cause we’re rather unpredictable. But unless that was the only reason, what did Tasim do to get chosen over us like what has that man been doing while we were in realm of light, journey beyond, and wynnexscavation like I genuinely wonder what he did to qualify

[formal bridge]

The queen cares far more about personality and temperament than outright combat ability

Soosu was a child and her gift from the queen is to literally rearrange matter at will

[slender copper]

Insert CT conversation about character misinterpretations:

[earnest prairie]

Good Soldiers Follow Orders basically

[formal bridge]

Moreso I meant that personality and characteristics matter far more than actual competency in a fight lmao

The entire tournament was moreso one giant personality test

And when her choices are someone hardworking and conflicted but empathetic to others, or a complete blank slate, she is going to choose the former

[rustic nexus]

she chose tasim cuz he seemed more loyal

and we were a wildcard

he seemed more promising for the mission into dern than we were

[earnest prairie]

i just hope tasim doesn't die during dern because it would feel contradictory to his promise to live for aledar

though it could be ironic if he died the same way aledar died, as a willing sacrifice

but that might feel a lil tropey

[formal bridge]

I feel that's definitely less likely considering the CT decided not to kill Rex either

[zenith coral]

no idea why this decision was made (i know why it was made it just struck was as nonsense imo, but thats subjective)

[dim plover]

It probably means that Rex still has some story after this

[earnest prairie]

rex is definitely punching tasim first thing tho upon waking up

[slender copper]

We all hope she does that lol

[earnest prairie]

probably plot device for sui to o finally trust the remaining sovereigns

gives nasin a lil redemption too

[earnest prairie]

i can imagine it rn honestly. tasim bleeding out of the face from rex’s punches and hes just silent with the most remorsefully depressed face

[zenith coral]

theyll have to compensate it by killing off a character THAT WASNT DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND

so not two

hopefully she wont be able to just get a prosthetic and jump back into action but my hopes are very low

it will probably just buff her

[earnest prairie]

maybe she will. corkus exists and soosu would probably hook rex up

[abstract snow]

i was genuinely disappointed when rex got revived

[slender copper]

I don't think her punches are that strong to cause physical damage, but who knows.

[slender copper]

Why if I may ask?

[abstract snow]

i was happy to see more consequences for the actions of the resistance than just syndra and mora which were rather predictable imo

when it ended up being mostly for nothing i was just kinda sad to see it lol

also the whole revival charm scene felt kinda weak personally in general

[frozen turtle]

fakeout deaths are also just kinda weird

[abstract snow]

yeah agreed

[whole river]

Tbf I mean we see it twice with zhiraok

[frozen turtle]

also since Zhiraok dies right after and we pull the same stunt

like

[abstract snow]

yeah but that’s his blessing lol

for rex its just like. why kill her at all when you could just chop that arm off

[formal bridge]

I mean I really feel rex is unnecessary at the point in the story it happens

[whole river]

Blessings can be utilized to affect more than just themselves

[formal bridge]

Mora already died, syndra already died

[whole river]

Soosu proves it

[formal bridge]

Consequences have been fely

[abstract snow]

isnt the revival charm separate from zhiraoks blessing

[formal bridge]

All killing Rex would accomplish is kicking the player while they're already down

and removing an interesting character from the story as well

[earnest prairie]

its a combination of both

[frozen turtle]

the revival charm is like A Nasin heirloom i think (could be wrong)

[abstract snow]

nah that brought me up 😭 i was sad but happy at the same time for different reasons. and then she just comes back

[earnest prairie]

its more like a defibrilator if anything

byt magical

ish

[frozen turtle]

oh and and its seperate from a blessing because Zhiraok is revived even though it's the rest of the characters using it

[earnest prairie]

at least when u apply it to nasin

[frozen turtle]

Zhiraok may be able to use it better but it seems anyone can if given enough strength

[whole river]

It’s not the same but it’s connected to his blessing

[slender copper]

checks notes "So you want allies to die and stay dea-"

Jokes aside, I get your point. It makes death not have as much impact on the player if a simple charm can juat revive them. It also makes other character deaths seem meaningless and forgetful because they are treated as pivot characters that's death serve as character development for another (like Mora with Sui)

[frozen turtle]

guess its good they broke the charm so they cant pull the same stunt anymore

[abstract snow]

my thoughts exactly ⬆️

[abstract snow]

yeahhh that is good but for me it kinda makes it feel more like just a plot device too

[formal bridge]

Yeah the zhiraok death was very much unnecessary imo

[abstract snow]

like the writers recognized how powerful this could be and killed it right after they used it for what they needed

[slender copper]

Which one? /j

[earnest prairie]

i kinda did like nasin tryjng to revive rex personally. he mainly wanted people behind bars not put to death

[formal bridge]

Last one

[zenith coral]

imo at minimum they should write rex out of the remaining story (in terms of combat)

[frozen turtle]

any like emotional factor of Rex's revival was like, ruined after Zhiraok also died like idk why he died there

Zhiraok is worse then Majin, dying for attention

[formal bridge]

I think it's cause it's doubling up on the same story beat

[zenith coral]

and this whole oh we cant just kill of interesting characters mindset is unironically a bad mindset imo

[slender copper]

Overworked himself to death.

[abstract snow]

i thought majins death was perfect honestly

[frozen turtle]

i meant from a writing perspective

[zenith coral]

foreshadowed at least

[formal bridge]

just cause one is a "oh she survived but she's crippled forever" and one is "Oh he survived but the charm broke" doesn't make it feel a bit repetitive

[earnest prairie]

was he evacuating everyone in the forest?

[abstract snow]

we didnt even kill him technically

[slender copper]

Ah, I see.

[earnest prairie]

or was he just getting soosu?

[frozen turtle]

like just having two deaths and two revives in one scene is weird

[zenith coral]

is she crippled forever though? the writers could just give her a prostethic, treat is as a buff and scratch the issue off

[abstract snow]

i’m pretty sure he was just drained in general and charging the charm took the last bit out of him

[abstract snow]

yeah that’s my worry tbh

[slender copper]

Correct, that's where the overworked part happens.

[formal bridge]

I mean people with prosthetics are still crippled

she still i smissing an arm

[zenith coral]

its almost certainly whats going to happen imo

[formal bridge]

They can't regrow and attach a new one

[whole river]

I mean we live in a world with mechs and shit she’ll be fine

[zenith coral]

i dont think they will give it the gravitas it needs

[frozen turtle]

Soosu is just gonna create her a new real arm for sure

[whole river]

Give her the Guts treatment

[zenith coral]

like imo what they write for rex next could very well fall extremeley flat

[frozen turtle]

I think her next step is mainly to adjust to not having an arm + archery and maybe search for her brother, if she even gets a continuation

[zenith coral]

she will probably be just fine after 1 emotional scene and then get buffed (the powerscalign was already very wack and inconsistent)

like i desperateley hope she is written out of all the future combat things at minimum

[whole river]

Why

[zenith coral]

and she retires or smth

well for one because havign her sit this stuff out make sense cuz shed need to adjust to a prostethic

[earnest prairie]

doesnt seem like rex tho so i doubt it

but anything is possible

[zenith coral]

yeah it feels like no matter what they write it could end up very mary sue flat

but thats just my opinion

[whole river]

If it was zeph or sui maybe but Rex would jump back into action

[manic kraken]

highkey they should add dragon egg omlettes into the game

[earnest prairie]

it WOULD be funny if they gave rex a gun arm instead

[zenith coral]

we also need to address the whole powerscaling issue at some point

[whole river]

They should

[frozen turtle]

i feel like Rex knowing her brother is in Wynn and she could now leave Fruma might try finding him

[manic kraken]

c a n n o n a r m

[frozen turtle]

no powerscaling

please

[zenith coral]

rex should NOT be able to beat the queen after like 7 days of training

[manic kraken]

majin needs to be sent to dagestan, 2-3 years forget

[zenith coral]

it feels very dissonant

and hold her own against tasim

[earnest prairie]

u mean when she shot the queen? hasnt she been training even before the revolt tho?

[whole river]

She doesn’t beat the queen though

[zenith coral]

atleast explain the power growth

[manic kraken]

why does rex's sprite kinda look like Joseph joestar

[whole river]

And she doesn’t hold her own against tasim as much as you think. Tasim was

1. super depressed
2. just fought the player and lost
3. holding back the entire time until he starts trying and she got insta chopped

[earnest prairie]

shes just a nautrally good shot. that training session was rlly just kinda her trying a new trick she thought of

[zenith coral]

yeah maybe but atleast explain how this works cuz it feels like normally the leaves arent that stronk but suddenly they can just 1v1 sovereigns

sui is a special case

[earnest prairie]

i mean tbf u try fighting nasin as a sniper who can only excel being far away

[zenith coral]

then we need to make this clearer ig

[manic kraken]

rex genuinely looks like joseph joestar from pt 2 sort of

[zenith coral]

at minimum put one or two lines in that explains all this sudden power growth

[earnest prairie]

also we were jumping nasin

[zenith coral]

all this takes place in less than a week imo

is magic just that strong?

[whole river]

I feel like it very much was though? I mean he’s not going on the offensive the entire time

[earnest prairie]

in sui’s case yes. for us? we got plot beast on our side so we win anyways

[whole river]

And like we just fought him I cannot stress this enough

Tasim should honestly be knocked out at minumum he did better than majin lol

[zenith coral]

ig it just feels really dissonant. it isnt even a talent thing all the members of the leaves and the roughworks get extremeley strong in like 7 days, thats basically impossible imo

[earnest prairie]

tbf majin was just doing it for love of the game. bro did not seem to care if he lost as long as he could feel flashy

[zenith coral]

then change his sprite to make him seem more damaged after the battle

cuz to me he seemed undamaged

[whole river]

I guess? That’s just nitpicky though especially given you physically fight him it’s not like a cutscene

[whole river]

Gotta suspend disbelief this isn’t a AAA game lol

[zenith coral]

fair

[earnest prairie]

if he was to get more dmg’d they’d have to buy another minecraft acc im pretty sure for that isnt going to happen

[zenith coral]

really?

[earnest prairie]

yes bc if i remember tho it might be outdated bc its a lil b4 rekindled from an older interview…

all human shaped skins are using purchased minecraft accounts to drag skins from and apply to certain mobs

thats why some are armor stand enemies with random stuff attached despite having human shape

[zenith coral]

... huh

[earnest prairie]

like the cosmic weirds n stuff

[zenith coral]

cant they code an alternative

[earnest prairie]

usually those are the zombie walking mobs like the orcs (not counting the centerworld area) and corrupter of worlds if he still has his hands straight forward

or skeletons reskinned too

their alternative now tho is definitely custom made models but its easier to make lots of diverse human shaped mobs with just an upload sometimes

also im referencing b4 rekindled which wasnt that long ago so they were still restricted to McAcc, Mob reskinning, and armor stands

[zenith coral]

i guess to my powerscaling question can we just agree that we need a throwaway line that explains the rapid growth

[earnest prairie]

sui’s growth is definitely built off rage. She mostly focused on lethality so its easy to grow in that. I’d say she lacks defensive training and awareness (remember when she almost got shot by aura farming)
rex is naturally talented in archery so definitely from growing up in the forest.
mora previously trained to be a soldier so he is already a tank
Zeph definitely is questionable imo bc he seemed to get a hang of things quickly so i can agree on ur idea there.

rex and mora honestly dont seem to have any growth in strength and just were good already at what they do

[zenith coral]

what about the roughworks cast

[earnest prairie]

im ngl. i barely saw them actually do anything so theres not really much growth to analyze

we saw them fight for like 10s, get captured/fled, then worked on the weaver the rest of the way

[zenith coral]

for another question what was with that guy in our room in queens recruit

who was that

what was that

we were never told

[earnest prairie]

dont remember. did that quest a month ago on release

mostly remember the tournament, cucking ourselves on telling tasim about aledar, then getting kicked out after talking to the queen and snooping around

oh and two but not the small stuff

[slender copper]

As in the person we heard opening our door or do you mean Tasim? lol

[zenith coral]

yeah who opened our door?

was it just some spy

were never told and it feels like a mystery

is there circumsizal evidence

is it a plotpoint for part 2 of fruma

[slim belfry]

maybe an inquisitor since that's their thing

[zenith coral]

why tho

[earnest prairie]

oh Gikyo tryna clone us

[whole river]

Roughworks cast suffers from being immediately separated in the mistwoods arc and by the time we see them the story is over

[zenith coral]

gikyo is a shut in

[slender copper]

I have a headcanon that it was Two dragging Majin and Zhiroak individually within the room to point out that THIS is the one they need to look after since our preformance didn't clue them.

[whole river]

Lowkey I wish we got a deraj break in cutscene

[slim belfry]

to spy on our activity? we already know two is heavily involved

[earnest prairie]

true but then we’d have to wait 8 yrs

[whole river]

Rip

[zenith coral]

then i hope we get confirmation

it feels like it a big unsolved mystery

not that big but yknow

[earnest prairie]

imagine wasteland comes out and its just a normal desert

like no special landmarks. just purely dunes

[slim belfry]

by the little you can see rn it's not normal

[whole river]

I hope they have a crazy strong prisoner that’s only held by Oru’s gravity shenanigans and we accidentally release it causing untold destruction 😍

Corrupter of worlds but in Fruma

[earnest prairie]

maybe the uninvted guest is bak’al

“yes peon i have come to see anathema”

[slender copper]

Judging from the two's background... very much unlikely.

[earnest prairie]

“she is mad i left home without permission and went to live with the eldritch creature”

[earnest prairie]

it’d be cool is the underground was the prison

while the above is just a desert

would also maybe make it harder for prisoners to escape if you were surrounded by sand and rock from all sides

[whole river]

Prisoners probably have their hands full with the whole sovereign who doesn’t even leave his shift when his queen is overthrown

[earnest prairie]

is the deraj prison warden a sovereign?

[slim belfry]

yes Oru

[earnest prairie]

i thought it was gikyo?

cuz wasnt there 6

[dim plover]

Isn't Gikyo Sovereign of the Mistwoods

[slim belfry]

yeah

[earnest prairie]

Nasin, Soosu, Majin, Gikyo, Tasim, Two

or did Oru immediately get promoted when Gikyo died

[slim belfry]

Oru is the longest serving sovereign besides two

[earnest prairie]

oh

maybe i just didnt pay much attention to him bc i was focusing on gikyo at the time

i mean 6 phases tends to make u tunnel a little

and enrage

[dim plover]

Does becoming a Sovereign make you taller or smth

Well I guess Soosu is still tiny

And Two is like player-sized

Nvm

[slim belfry]

hey purple

about sharing non-ingame stuff

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Aledar

...

scroll all the way down

I guess it's fine? shrug

[exotic bough]

oh dear

[slender copper]

Are... the dialog portraits suppose to be there 💀

[exotic bough]

they are not in-game yet

so

they shouldnt

[slender copper]

OH NO

[slim belfry]

same with the others too

[exotic bough]

who exactly

[slender copper]

THERE'S MORE???

[slim belfry]

hey homeboi what's the extent that assets can be on the wiki

[exotic bough]

wdym

[slim belfry]

portaits vs something like ek rune before released and the other unspecified resource textures currently unreleased

[exotic bough]

uhhh

i mean like the ek rune stuff back then id say was fine since there were spots where the ek rune did appear as an item being displayed

[slender copper]

...how much was leaked from the resource pack-

[exotic bough]

dialogue portraits not so much since those arent meant to be seen at all

i will say the user who added those was not purple emerald

i wont reveal their name though cuz i dont wanna put them on blast

[slim belfry]

yeah definitely not I was just pointing out the other times people posted portraits in this chat

[brittle prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296377212939010050/1480773200265613584/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[slim belfry]

smh leaking ragni king portrait

[exotic bough]

ok i think all the leaked portraits were removed

[modern jasper]

Correct me if I’m wrong: Qira is technically wearing the inhibitor while we fight her and her actual canonical power level is something kinda unheard of?

[slim belfry]

yes

she is meant to always wear it while fighting you

[hybrid gazelle]

She wear inhibitor because she is actually the beast of missing contents

[slender copper]

Yall, I know what god we're going to need to slay next.

[slim belfry]

who

[whole river]

Qira couldn’t hang out with the real dogs of Gavel the Parasite + the Colossus

[slender copper]

Perhaps I should have replied to Trashie's comment to avoid confusion

[slim belfry]

she's too busy re-educating her servants
whatever that means

[whole river]

Lowkirkenuinely what is Qira doing against a slash that cut reality

She’s lucky we stopped the colossus she’s apart of the canyon of the frauds

[slim belfry]

eh idk

I have a theory that she might be a manaweaver due to the hive gear and their descriptions

heck the removed combo elememt names were shared with some hive armor pieces

[earnest prairie]

aura farm probably

then go "not worth my time they aren't powerful enough"

https://tenor.com/view/mighty-eagle-stand-proud-hero-angry-birds-mighty-eagly-angry-birds-gif-12144330268119527809

[whole river]

“she’s a mana weaver? Hah watch this” cuts her in half harder than the Shinjuku World Cutting Slash Incident

[solid fable]

very true theres a dwarf in the resistance in dnd that uses corkian tools and electromagic

[slim belfry]

RIP sui

[earnest prairie]

gets waffled

[whole river]

https://tenor.com/view/kashimo-farmer-fraud-gif-5987930981742386777

Qira^

[earnest prairie]

we need more dragons in gavel. imagine the chaos

either that or we get a quest in lost canyon where we learn airjustsu at the temple

[solid fable]

aren't like pure dragons basically extinct

except for azoth and farcor

[earnest prairie]

im sure we can allow some half breed owhatever they call it dragons

[solid fable]

Ahh true

[earnest prairie]

whats that term that genshin used for those lesser dragon things?

[solid fable]

Theres like a ton of dragonlings and stuff

[solid fable]

Vishaps?

[earnest prairie]

nah it was another term

but we can go with that for now

tamer class actually would be cool for wynncraft

but yet again we have pets

[solid fable]

Trapper is pretty close to tamer

Just run briars and you can let your dog do all the work haha

[earnest prairie]

or wing knight

whos a good wing knight???!!!

you areeee

[slim belfry]

it's all about heart of the forest now

[solid fable]

true ive pivoted to heart of the forest gma myself

Briars is just iconic

[hybrid gazelle]

Then we already have that

Wyvern still exist

We only have dragon descendants for now

Maybe they will appear more with new mob system used more in gavel

[earnest prairie]

man i keep forgetting wyverns exist bc i havent bought mine yet

[hybrid gazelle]

Drake exist in lootrun

[solid fable]

dragonling nest

oh and the frozen heights drake thing if that counts

[earnest prairie]

isnt that one dead

i did that quest 5yrs ago tho so i could be wrong

[hybrid gazelle]

No that calix

Calix is dead

[solid fable]

@hybrid gazelle @hybrid gazelle u know how there are dinosaurs in mistwoods

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

I love dinosaur

[solid fable]

what if avos came from these dinosaurs

boom ur theory is correct

[hybrid gazelle]

Avos are dinosaur

[solid fable]

Yeah but like it would be sooo funny if the avos also migrated from fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

Also that not how evolution work

[solid fable]

gg give me the paragraph im ready

[hybrid gazelle]

They likely share common ancestor

But that ancestor likely farrrr back

To the point avo probably branch from the saurian

[solid fable]

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

And divert from it

It like human and monkey

[solid fable]

I can see it

[vestal rivet]

I mean
anything does cease to be "native" if you look back far enough in their history

The Avos are native to Corkus by "normal" standards

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yes but we talking about if avo evolve from korviraptor

Which is like

[vestal rivet]

10 billion missing links

[hybrid gazelle]

Which is like impossible because that would imply korviraptor to be successful speeches or something

To stay unchanged for god know how long

[earnest prairie]

horseshoe crab moment

[vestal rivet]

simply too perfect a form lol
like alligators

[earnest prairie]

“you wanna evolve?”
“nah”

[vestal rivet]

-# (to clarify I'm not seriously suggesting that the Avos cam from Kivaraptors)

[pseudo breach]

I found this QR code pattern inside of the desert sands outside of Almuj, does anyone know what this is?

[whole river]

They’re actually descended from the harpies of gavel, in this essay

[vestal rivet]

it's from the Fruma ARG
not all of its components are in the game any more

[pseudo breach]

a shame i missed it

thank you

[vestal rivet]

namely I think the Inquisitor enemies are missing

you used to have to kill them to get Royal Reports, which in turn would help point you to these QR codes

that and the Fruma gate build, like the literal door itself, was interactable and held clues before it was removed in favor of the model it has now

[earnest prairie]

random thought. do you guys think nasin would pass out from seeing ghosts and zombies in wynn because they dont obey the order of operations

like hes one of those stoic ppl but cant handle horror

[vestal rivet]

he would be incredibly annoyed
but then he would stomp most of them to paste

I think

his wind/time magic stuff could probably deal with the incorporeal

[full bough]

why is ts stil in game 😭

[lavish knot]

The final cutscene is still in the game
And they added a chair on that island

[vestal rivet]

the island that Selvut hates the community-given names for

mostly Schizo Island

but also a billion variants of Golden Ratio Island

weird that I remember it for that

[exotic bough]

ngl i think the inquisitors should still be ingame, they should just be extremely rare ambience mobs

[slim belfry]

maybe after certain quests are done though

[exotic bough]

ehhh

actually yeah that could make sense

there could even be a few one-time guaranteed spawns like that one in the theater cave

[earnest prairie]

how many inquistitors are there anyways?

[slim belfry]

supposedly many

[earnest prairie]

because throughout all of fruma im pretty sure we only saw one

[exotic bough]

1 in missing piece and the other one in a side entrance for the theater cave overlooking timasca

[hybrid gazelle]

One of the primary use for inquisitor to act as the queen’s eye on the outside world

But we also see them using memory wipe

And consider how Two mirror allow us to view her memory

Whatever the fact they have likely connect to Two consider they are her underling

Twoling if you will

[slender copper]

I mean... I do remember encountering two while just playing around in Corkus and Gaval after the update, but that may have been patched.

[slender copper]

Didn't the dialog suggest that the player was able to weave themselves through her magics to see into Two's memories? I don't recall that it was Two's mirror that allowed us to view them.

[slim belfry]

that was strange yeah

we entered another mirror but we ended up seeing a memory

[slender copper]

Two certainly didn't plan/want that to happen, so whatever it was... it was unintentional.

[manic kraken]

got some katfood today

time to feed lekittties

[slender copper]

...

Does that count as lore?

[exotic bough]

all lore is lore until it is no longer lore

[formal bridge]

Considering that the player similarly is able to view memories and past events through secret discoveries, it certainly seems like the player is just able to do that somehow. Presumably related to whatever Anathema sensed in us, but maybe we can just do that

[manic kraken]

Anathema lowk a bum

Slime out yo realm beast

https://tenor.com/view/vigilanteskass-gif-12238985672618509371

[atomic hamlet]

Doesn’t ingame Qira after Rekindled World take it off for her final phase

[slender copper]

Yeah, I hope that future updates will further go into this... since the only few we got regarding past seeing in quests is The Missing Piece and the ends of a few of the main story quests... while before Fruma we have like what, a few some quests with us seeing the past?

[light zealot]

I just thought - what if the player absorbed the power of Dr. Picard's memory orb in Recover the Past, allowing them to see memories

[slim belfry]

think that's a bug

[slender copper]

The orb exploded because of the lack of memories... but judging from how it was before we even get a side quest seeing the past... it could be a good theory.

[lavish knot]

Player is very much a bottomless pit that orb falls in lol

[solid ibex]

makes sense

the player tends to see things where they arent even in there

well except for those few instances of being drugged

[narrow kestrel]

player is a descendant of the olms

before we go to dern we prob go back to time temple just to know wtf is going on

trust

[solid ibex]

it would infinitely be funnier if the player is actually just a regular human from fruma that for whatever reason has this mutation that makes them insanely powerful

[narrow kestrel]

random mutation isnt funny tho

Lowk i think it'd be funnier if the player was just a rejected scion

[solid ibex]

how can you explain the bottomless pit or whatever the player has going around

[narrow kestrel]

I do think its quite weird that Dark is the only realm we know of that doesnt have a scion

[solid ibex]

unless its a human with ultra maxed out depression stats

[narrow kestrel]

revoked blessings from a beast

took everything out as well

would be a good foil to Bak'al

[lavish knot]

From what we know, the Player is not randomly just strong

[solid ibex]

less likely

[narrow kestrel]

Its less asspull-y than "random mutation no ones heard about lol"

[lavish knot]

If the Player have blessings, the queen would have noticed it immediately

Unless that's somehow can be buried

[narrow kestrel]

revoked blessings from Saphanis

[slender copper]

As in the blessing was taken away from the Player? Because we've seen from the scions of Anathema that it's a part of them.

[solid ibex]

revoked blessings from a beast somehow makes you powerful

[narrow kestrel]

Yes

Could have been a really scuffed removal which is why everything else is also gone

(Bottomless pit)

[lavish knot]

The Queen have to really looked closely at the Player to notice something familiar to her