📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-sisyphus-sisyphus-prime-monologue-shlorper-gif-367654598627984240

[sick quest]

the highlight of my wynn career is the fact that rn im sitting in rymek fishing for carp even tho im at lvl 120

[mystic remnant]

man i have three classes afking in rymek rn waiting for failed hunt to begin

[hybrid gazelle]

Villagers being racist is probably unintentional funny joke thatWynn ever did

[mystic remnant]

that WE started less frequently than annihilation does

[hybrid gazelle]

because villager themselves are racist sterotype

[mystic remnant]

unrelatedly is Two wearing a skirt or like a really stupid set of pants

[hybrid gazelle]

she just has big pant

[mystic remnant]

incredible

[hybrid gazelle]

it not a skirt

it very big pant

she wear a lot of cloth that hide her sihoulette

or whatever

[mystic remnant]

two is the most tumblr oc out of the entire fruma cast im not gonna lie

[hybrid gazelle]

her form

[vestal rivet]

puffy pants
the kind that conceal form, because spywork
but then she also has a thigh open so

[mystic remnant]

shes hilarious. shows up, monologues about shards, fucks off

repeat ad infinitum

[hybrid gazelle]

To be fair

that like her job 😭

she spy out and then give info

cant blame a girl for actaully good at her job

[mystic remnant]

i unfortunately cannot

[vestal rivet]

skirts are usually awkward to do with MC models
queen's dress barely works and she never really moves the lower half of her body... ever

[mystic remnant]

maybe the queen's dress is just like a part of her body

do you think the queen purposefully dressed herself in butterfly motifs or do you think the shell just came like that

because it feels a little antithetical to dress yourself as the hated version of yourself

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think she hate being Anathema

she justh ate being War

I think she still is Anathema, but she want to detatch herself from War

[formal bridge]

Why would she give tasim butterfly wings if she disliked the aesthetic

[hybrid gazelle]

also finally lay out the history of the alliance

[formal bridge]

And also made a religion that uses it as symbology heavily

[hybrid gazelle]

also yeah she 100% hyperfixated on butterfly motif LOL

[mystic remnant]

ok but then do you think she went about to her royal tailors like "okay guys i need you to create a kickass butterfly dress for me"

[hybrid gazelle]

she definitely not hating butterfly

just the idea of chaos

[mystic remnant]

like do you think she spun those threads into the first dress

[formal bridge]

She probablt made it herself woth the resonance weaver

[vestal rivet]

the real reason they were able to get away with the queen's buggy dress is because she has no legs to expose lol
but most skirts don't go all the way to the floor to hide the fact the model has no legs

[formal bridge]

That dress is her skin

Thats why she never changes clothes

[mystic remnant]

soosu ruined her sewing machine

[hybrid gazelle]

nah I think her clopth is just her cloth

[mystic remnant]

yeah but theres a royal bathhouse. presumably she changes clothes

[formal bridge]

In that case I still assume she had barbie doll anatomy

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

she likely has a procelin anatomy

wait

let me find the pic

[vestal rivet]

you'll have to elaborate for me

[mystic remnant]

when rex shot her she made like the lego fall apart sound

[formal bridge]

Smooth everywhere underneath

[mystic remnant]

maybe she has like

bug joints

[hybrid gazelle]

she do have bug joint yes

you can see it in promo art

and how she only have 3 real fingers

[mystic remnant]

like a mass of overlapping woven bug joints mimicking the human form

[hybrid gazelle]

like her real form

the way she describe her body

is that it's thread

let me get the dialgue wait

[vestal rivet]

oh dang that's why she she has the half-glove things going on?

[mystic remnant]

it is a neat visual trick that she has two gold fingers

[formal bridge]

Bak'al made her the body but he's really bad at anatomy

The real reason she wanted the weaver fixed was for those extra fingies

[mystic remnant]

shes bakal's oc design

maybe she doesnt have legs and she just waddles around on her dress

like its a starched solid mass of hard cloth which she just slides forward on

sound of stone sliding over stone

[hybrid gazelle]

consider she is a ginger

[vestal rivet]

in-game she has nothing under the dress
like nothing
in a spin move in her fight she flashes us and it's just an empty space lol
done with a flip

[hybrid gazelle]

sh eprobably base her transition from Bak'al

consider he is proably the first thing she ever seen from the real world

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah ofc cause they aint gonna model everything there LOL

[formal bridge]

If she made it herself then she also might not have realized humans are supposed to have five fingers lmao

[vestal rivet]

remnant of her moth form maybe

[formal bridge]

Arrives in fruma in human form: "....oops. hey bak'al you have any gold fingers I could use?"

[vestal rivet]

someone else already mentioned that the moth limbs have 3 finger thingies each

[mystic remnant]

ok also how the hell does her hair work

[hybrid gazelle]

it do not work

at all

[mystic remnant]

she has some model fuckery with the hair

[hybrid gazelle]

it defy camera angle

in game protrait it look like it span out 90 degree from her head

but then when her side profile

it flatten???

[mystic remnant]

maybe theres four wings

[vestal rivet]

she has a side profile portrait, and iirc she has only 2 there still

[hybrid gazelle]

in game, it only show her having just two pair of "wings"

[sick quest]

I can fix her 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

nothing extended out

[vestal rivet]

also she has the body shape of a plunger with that waste it's weird

[formal bridge]

I imagine it's a weird way to try and make it look diagonal without messing up the perspective of a 2d pixel drawing

[hybrid gazelle]

it's intentional design

she meant to be slender and lanky

to display how inhuman she is

[mystic remnant]

her neck is very long

[spring kernel]

The designs being inconsistent is so annoying to me

[mystic remnant]

felt like i could grab her like a goose

[hybrid gazelle]

this make sense cause she is only character in game to have a neck LOL

[mystic remnant]

and just byahaalalhalhalha her

[hybrid gazelle]

in her game model

[mystic remnant]

maybe when she fucked up the three fingers she also fucked up the neck

[hybrid gazelle]

her anatomy meant to look wrong

[mystic remnant]

people pointed at her and went "the fuck is THAT"

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure that how you get executed 😭

[mystic remnant]

first flooding of the auburn forest

too many people asked what a neck was

[hybrid gazelle]

Also she is few character who have elbow and hand

[spring kernel]

what's the green pixel from

i just noticed that

[hybrid gazelle]

Uh

Her dead pixel

[vestal rivet]

is that swirl at the bottom of the V the Nasin snake symbol thing or just coincidentally similar?
I know that House Nasin was a very early supporter of her, could that be a remnant of that time?

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly idk

[exotic bough]

The Npc sparkles

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think fruma queen would use that as part of her clothing

Consider how she want the old fruman god to be gone

[exotic bough]

This ss was taken when she invited the player to her room

[formal bridge]

Well look at it this way

She could have tried to usurp those symbols by taking them for herself

And now all the memory around them is based around her

Thereby supressing the few remaining followers of the old gods

See: actual ways culture forcefully assimilates others irl

[vestal rivet]

it is effective if you do it right after all
can happen unintentionally sometimes too

the rainbow was a Christian symbol once upon a time, nobody sees it as that any more though lol
similar deal with the swastika being a symbol of peace originally, and not... well, we all know what it's most often seen as now

[formal bridge]

I was thinking moreso like

Christianity coopting Yule to spread christianity to Northern Europe

[vestal rivet]

the romans insisting that local deities are just their own deities with different names?

[formal bridge]

Also source: my partner is from Norway and had this happen to them as their family still practices those older traditions

This is happening in modern times still

It's a common tactic used by people proselytizing

So the queen using it as well would be fitting

[vestal rivet]

true
people don't talk about it so often
a lot of old stories only survived because a Christianized version was allowed to go through, usually done by making out the various gods or spirits as particularly long lived kings instead
or alternatively just dedicating one random page to having a prayer or something

as we see with the Norse Sagas and Beowulf respectively

[formal bridge]

Yeah you see it a lot in irish folktales and surrounding areas like it too. Pretty much all of arthurian folktales have had similar weird mixes of old religions moxed with christian theming

I imagine in Fruma they still have a lot of the old beliefs around devoid of context

Like foxes in auburn

They know foxes are important and are said to be the spirits of the dead, but they don't realize that their old god used to be involced in that story

[vestal rivet]

foxes still seem to be a symbol of resistance in the Mistwoods, maybe the practice diverged and only the Mistwoods version survived

[formal bridge]

Mistwoods in general seems to have a lot more of the old traditions surviving there, unsurprisingly

With their masks representing different gods lost to time

[vestal rivet]

heck their traditions used to be approved of by the crown

as we saw with one older sovereign

[formal bridge]

Yeah they were probably coopted by the queen at first for a long time before mistwoods became fully separate and belligerent to the crown's authority

Which is why even now they don't realize the old gods they represented, just that those clans are important

[kindred remnant]

Can someone give me a clue to what this might refer? Want to avoid spoiling myself. Just an extra clue would be awesome.

[shut mist]

troms

in corrupter of world cave

[kindred remnant]

:/ lmao

[shut mist]

you probably wouldent have found it anyways

if i just said troms

[rustic nexus]

I never understood what the "an end brought to six" meant in that one

[spring kernel]

I assumed it was referring to the twains

[rustic nexus]

the only thing in that riddle that originally gave me an idea of what it could be was the final sentence

purely because CoW's theme is called literally that

[supple walrus]

Oh yeah btw I’ve heard of a google doc with all the post raid dialogue for the new raid

Like where can I find the link for that

[rustic nexus]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?tab=t.0

[supple walrus]

Tysm!

[rustic nexus]

np

[spring kernel]

Such an original boss with a complex backstory

[rustic nexus]

for real

what if Corruptor of Worlds was chained and tortured in a time prison for a thousand years and betrayed

[drifting aurora]

6 quest items

[rustic nexus]

OH

[spring kernel]

😭

[rustic nexus]

IS THAT REALLY IT

😭

[spring kernel]

oh my god

[drifting aurora]

might also be about a previous group fighting corrupter? i dunno

but i remember 6 quest items

[rustic nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

😭

as if anyone is going to remember the 6 quest items for ToL after handing them in 28 levels ago

or wait it was more wasn't it

[drifting aurora]

was 6 to start the quest

[rustic nexus]

over 30 levels

[drifting aurora]

oh levels

yea

35?

i think

68 to 103

[rustic nexus]

in the late 60s

yea might be

[pine flower]

actual peak

[formal bridge]

I loooove fetch quests, soooo fun

[exotic bough]

i think it was the group kelight talked abt in temple of legends

[rustic nexus]

we aren't told anything about them though

iirc

[rustic nexus]

ah

who would remember that 😭

the quest items are more memorable than that line

and they were removed!

[exotic bough]

that one schizo with a pink name typing this

[quartz mist]

there were six quest items to bring

[upper dust]

real ones remember the Maltic’s Letter of Recommendation

[narrow kestrel]

whats anathema's total hp

[uneven basin]

100 M ?

[slender copper]

Thought it was 110m-

[exotic bough]

i think 95m at 120 for a normal raid

[regal spire]

The CoW hint is still the only one I couldn’t reasonably figure out

ToL isn’t exactly a memorable quest (besides its actual reward), and it’s only reference is a single number that could literally mean anything

[paper wyvern]

I think I still have one of those

[earnest prairie]

like prolly 70m technically after that multiplier is added. forgot the number tho

[pale aspen]

Yo, anyone figured out this inscription in sunken monument yet or nah?

[regal spire]

What the lore behind the rusted operating scissors you get from WTP bags

I get all the other ingredients, but this one is a bit less obvious of a connection

[slim belfry]

maybe devils operate on each other or something

[light zealot]

Wow, the Changelings are so weird. Just did Burning Bonds and it's crazy how easy it is for one of them to deceive you. I was like "Oh hey it's yet another Wynncraft person who needs my help getting X thing" and then was surprised when he turned out as a changeling

[drifting aurora]

there's scissor devils

[exotic bough]

on the topic of burning bonds- is it ever explained why changelings cant just carve a medallion themselves

[zenith coral]

sheer incompetence ig

[formal bridge]

The steps to do so are challenging and complicated, not to mention two people cutting down the work immensely. You also have the dtep which rewuires picking out the right plants. The changeling claims their eyes are going out with age, but obv that isnt the case. So maybe the plants have some weird property that changelings cant easily distinguish

[zenith coral]

or maybe changelings dont see colours like us

[narrow kestrel]

would connect with gikyo's quest name ig

[zenith coral]

when aliens are aliens ig

[slender copper]

I was going to suggest that, but them being able to mimic color as well as they do... unsure about it.

[zenith coral]

maybe the the original body had that issue and the changeling copied it and when it saw colours it saw that as an error?

[sick quest]

Could be something regarding the texture of the medallion?

Since its a woodcarving

And a creature that can melt and reshape probably perceives texture and form differently

Especially since gikyos attack is sludge based and they come out of tar

[zenith coral]

a creature that can melt and reshape would act think and do things differentley than a human ig

this is what i dont like with fiction depicting non-human sentiens, they are just humans

[sick quest]

A lack of stability of form might come into conflict with meticulous wood carvings and other forms of art

[sick quest]

There are some rly good series that show deviations in sentience

The spren in stormlight archive for example

[zenith coral]

ik but it just bugs me because basically everything we know in the real world is a product of our environment, so all aliens should be at minumum a little eldritch, with things like death, gravity and other wideley-viewed as everyday concepts just working differentley for them

[sick quest]

Ehh there are many many planets in the universe that are very similar to our own

I definitely dont think all aliens should be different

And we have a lot of how gravity works figured out

Like some yes for sure

[zenith coral]

well ig but they should be fundamentally different imo

[sick quest]

But a lot of laws of physics and chemistry we have cracked

[zenith coral]

do we tho?

[sick quest]

If anything cultural differences are what you’re talking abt

[zenith coral]

nah

[sick quest]

I mean we havent figured out dark matter or stuff like that

But convergent evolution (physically and culturally) is also a big thing

[zenith coral]

also theres the whole thing that we are apparentley being kept in a state of no progress

this is more of a conspiracy theory but ALOT of upcoming brilliant scientists die 'unnaturally'

i will delete this if it violates stuff btw

[sick quest]

We arent being kept in a state of no progress exactly but you are right about deaths of brilliant scientists

But a lot of that is just various governments and businesses engaging in espionage and mercenary behavior

I.E. the american government’s disinformation campaign about the cuban alzheimer cure

But its more-so selective progress in the interest of capital

[zenith coral]

i mean apparentley someone figured out anti-gravity stuff but then died 'trgically'

so theres some huge discoveries that are being buried imo

[sick quest]

Also basically every governments espionage agency engages in extreme acts of cruelty, cover-ups, and burial of information and knowledge

True true

[zenith coral]

i am talking more outside our universe

or solar system

[sick quest]

Ohhh

Well outside the universe is a different thing

Big Crunch Theory

[zenith coral]

because at a certain point all we know could easily be useless and not applicable with things just... working differentley

[sick quest]

And shit like that

[zenith coral]

us being inside a black hole

[sick quest]

Cyclical universe and multiverse theories and shit like that

[sick quest]

Well we know thats probably not the case

[zenith coral]

not even multiverse just far out enough

[sick quest]

But we also are learning about miniature blackholes

[zenith coral]

would be ironic though, why dont we see anyone else? were in a black hole

this theory is there to explain why we all have different sense for time btw

smth like that

[sick quest]

I mean the big theories on aliens are a whole diff thing

I love Dark Forest Theory

[zenith coral]

h.p. lovecraft feels hilariously realistic sometimes imo

like why would the big cosmos be comprehensible

[sick quest]

I mean HP Lovecraft had some rly interesting ideas but he was lowkey an idiot

And he couldnt write for shit

I bought necronomicon because i found lovecraftian lore to be rly interesting but goddamn was that a hard read

[zenith coral]

ig he was a idiot but his ideas were 'unchained' from what we know ig

[sick quest]

Thats fair

[zenith coral]

and i feel like we should consider that

[sick quest]

He did a lot to pioneer cosmic horror as a genre

Ive been meaning to pick up king in yellow

[zenith coral]

like all this cosmic horror stuff could very well be irl applicable is my point

[sick quest]

But yeah we wont have real understanding until weve passed the Kuiper Belt as a species

[zenith coral]

hilariously you could make an argument that it is real and that lovecraft was a cultist but it goes too far

[sick quest]

His anthropologic knowledge was not up to par tho

[zenith coral]

yknow with the whole eldritch beings sending visions to artists thing

you could argue they contacted lovecraft

[sick quest]

My favorite thing he did was the way he approached the ocean as something dark and horrifying

[zenith coral]

wouldnt that be a twist

[sick quest]

That could lead down a long long rabbit hole tho

[zenith coral]

which it still is btw

[sick quest]

Yes

[zenith coral]

ig its consistent with some of the eldritch beings described

[sick quest]

Ive been scuba diving a bunch and i love the ocean but goddamn we are lacking in so much understanding of it

[zenith coral]

you could argue you dont really need to know this stuff cuz eldritch biology

[sick quest]

Fair fair

Lovecraft is def a wacky rabbit hole Im more of a Poe guy

[zenith coral]

in the 'lovecraft is a cultist' rabbit hole his books probably were made to influence people (maybe it worked you never know with magic that could very well exist in reality if they just mib anyone who sees it) which is kinda funny cuz it made bank and now the eldritch gods are marketable characters. would this be a success? debatable

[glass mesa]

why arent orphion anathema and that third one crabs?
they alive so long
and everything evolve into crab

[slender copper]

Saphanis I assume is what you are referring to? Well personally I think Anathema's design is perfect as is.

[narrow kestrel]

fuuuuuck

hidden in plain sight pmo

stupid ass secret discovery

fuck

[slender copper]

Which secret discovery are you referring to?

[regal spire]

Hidden in plain sight

[molten escarp]

the ever-resilient racoon:

[manic kraken]

yea anathemas design is alright but i feel like the design couldve been a bit more war like or a good theme to it

tbf the theme was apparent to begin with considering u got all the butterflies and shit but like

it feels more like a reference to a legend of zelda spirit tracks reference

(the first dungeon boss fight in zelda)

[earnest prairie]

i mean what animal or creature could be easily biblified or turned majestic?

and also associate with war?

[slender copper]

According to runkl, a crab.

[slender copper]

Oh 💀

[earnest prairie]

powerpuff reference

[surreal lava]

are the white strands that sui mostly uses light or air?

air because of the grookwarts water quest and most mobs?

[paper wyvern]

red is fire yellow is thunder green is earth blue is water white is air

[regal spire]

Well, technically, red is also corruption

[surreal lava]

i could see white also being light is the issue but air does make the most since

[light zealot]

Corruption's more of a crimson

[regal spire]

Which is a darker shade of red, yes

[light zealot]

Fair. But fire is almost always a lighter red

[regal spire]

It’s more of blood orange type of red, yeah. Lighter shades of yellow and orange are prominent, even a sorta pinkish color with its association with defense. Whilst corruption, I believe, is supposed to have bits and pieces of both darkness (black and purple) and light (yellow and white), making this weird crimson mauve color.

[light zealot]

Yes, something like that

[surreal lava]

also nether but that's more of a history of wynncraft thing not a lore thing

[light zealot]

To me corruption is these red shades

[surreal lava]

it's more on the right i would argue that the left is more fire

[light zealot]

Yep. But a very deep bloody red

[surreal lava]

isn't darkness also like a light green(eye i toxic swamp)

[frozen turtle]

i mean, both light and dark use a lot of different colours

but their main themes colours seem to be black & purple, white & yellow

[surreal lava]

are there any archetypes that are arguable themed around darkness? fallen is corruption and lightbender, and arguably boldslinger are light

[vestal rivet]

Bolt was previously generic angelic but its ult not says Light with a capital L specifically now sooo

[surreal lava]

and the whole two light version arguable strengthens the connection between angels and light

[split night]

i think of rift walker on top of my mind really

but like

there are at least 3 archetype that is light theme

[vestal rivet]

Paladin isn't Light connected still

it has generic holy imagery and Bovemism ties, nothing with the Light except for 1 shared model

[primal leaf]

What’s the third one?

is it bolt or sum

[split night]

bolt yeah, im bolt main and the angel stuff is very orphionic

[primal leaf]

ic

[vestal rivet]

basically
LB has always had Light ties
Boltslinger didn't, instead having generic angelic theming until the ult said it calls on the Light specifically
Paladin still has no ties with the Light

[primal leaf]

when do you guys think the bard class will be added if ever?

[frozen turtle]

Riftwalker is very cosmic

[primal leaf]

I already got an idea for the first archetype

[frozen turtle]

guys Dern update will release with Artificer and Bard i promise

[primal leaf]

It’s apparent that riftwalker is leaning more to cosmic than time now that it got reworked

[hybrid gazelle]

The question of will there ever be another class is quite difficult

As the game adding more feature mean more demand for a class

[split night]

I feel like there would be in the very far future probably?

[hybrid gazelle]

To the point thst work load needed for a class is now almost the same as making map expansion

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe or maybe not

[split night]

I want a melee class if we ever get a new one
there are 3 range class and 2 melee class

[hybrid gazelle]

Depend if ct think wynncraft need another class

[formal bridge]

I think at this point another class would require more effort than it's worth

[split night]

yeah with CT balancing skills

xd

[primal leaf]

It’s hard to implement bard at this moment because every class gives their unique buffs and support to help the team in various ways, It’s like stacking pancakes

[slender copper]

That's basically the colors on Anathema here.

[formal bridge]

I mean it's like, this is a team of people working on a fancy minecraft server lmao

[primal leaf]

bard is definitely going to be focused on debuffs/buffs

[hybrid gazelle]

That probably like the least concern part for a new class to exist lol

[formal bridge]

not exactly a professional dev team able to really separate their time into different avenues

[split night]

i don't think we'll ever get another server like this ever again, the amount of work already in it

it's so insanity

[formal bridge]

Not to mention that classes don't give just like, little number buffs to different attacks like classes in other MMOs where the only difference is AoEs and what stats get boosted

Each archetype plays radically different from eachother with entirely unique mechanics and purposes within the system itself

[primal leaf]

bard is also kinda lame in most media imo cuz like why not wield a big bell on a rope that you can swing on

[surreal lava]

monumenta is sort of like this except it leans with all of the different classes but wynn leans much more custom and monumenta is more vanilla

[hybrid gazelle]

In order to make a new class
You need to make items from level 1 to 120
You need to make new aspect
You need to make 8 pages of skill tree and ultimate
You need to make vfx for spells
You need to create base spell

[formal bridge]

^

[split night]

you need to balance it as well

[formal bridge]

Classes are so integral to the experience of the game at this point

you can't just wish one into existence lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Also monumenta do not have leveling like wynncraft do so items is less demand to be made compare to Wynn

[primal leaf]

we already got fruma, what’s another 10 years (fr tho it’s gonna be hard making a class)

[slim belfry]

dern 2060

[formal bridge]

Plus: what would be the point in adding another class?

Is there really a need for it?

[primal leaf]

nope not at all

[formal bridge]

as much of a need for it as there is a need to remake like 80-90% of the quests and map to current standards lmao

And then add dern on top of it

[warm flicker]

took a break for a while but got back to finish my third draft. I am stopping the alt-history at the year 910 AP because things are going to spiral out of control extremely quickly by this stage and im not sure i have the strength to write it all down. Anyway, those of u who somehow like alt-history wynncraft, enjoy the read

[primal leaf]

what if we could just make bard weapons for each class instead with their unique mid’s?

I think that should be better

[formal bridge]

I mean if it's just more unique weapons that's not that hard to add in

at least compared to a class lmao

[surreal lava]

there isn't a need for another class but it would be nice to have another ranged class so ranged and close range class amounts are even but that isn't a need compared to other pieces of game development and if it would happen would probably start in a couple of years

[split night]

it's basically adding another fabled with a major id

man

CT please, i beg you to give Freedom an ascension

where is my ascended freedom

[warm flicker]

guh should i turn this into a forum post or nah

[primal leaf]

what do you think about getting a chance for a unique mythic weapon at a specific field of area just like how anni does it

[split night]

it just add new way for a mythic really

we already have a lot of way to get a mythic

[surreal lava]

is trickster the closest archetype to a darkness themed archetype we have right now?

[primal leaf]

go ahead dude

[formal bridge]

I mean riftwalker is basically a mini nameless anomaly ripping holes in the world lmao

[slim belfry]

none are really "dark"

but dark wizard is the closest you can get

[hybrid gazelle]

Shde

There is Shadestepper

[slim belfry]

same projectiles as overtaken by the parasite btw

[surreal lava]

shade feels more war

[formal bridge]

Acolyte cuold be another fit too

all the rogue archetypes are too... unmagical to be realm themed imo, if that makes sense

sneaking around, tricky movements, flying around the battlefield

[frozen turtle]

maybe after a long long time, when everything else is polished and they just need to add more content

[primal leaf]

shadestepper is literally right there

[formal bridge]

none of them have the vibe of lightbender or corrupted

[primal leaf]

fallen??

[formal bridge]

that's what I meant

My brain thought fallen was called corrupted for a second

[surreal lava]

shade feels closer to war to me because it's themed around violence and plotting

[primal leaf]

lol

[formal bridge]

I mean if we're going based on themes, what is darkness theme?

and how in the world is trickster related to it?

[split night]

weirdcore + dreamcore

with a heavy emphasis on weird

[formal bridge]

In that case I still say acolyte

blood sacrifice and summoning tentacles

[full jackal]

i don’t think Acolyte is really “weird” enough though

[surreal lava]

mirrors and mirror images are especially related to darkness with the whole mirror quest it has toxic and poison abilities which is similar to the toxis wastes

[slim belfry]

acolyte is just dark shaman yeah

[full jackal]

lLike thr tentacles are sorta weird ig

[formal bridge]

I really don't see what you're getting at

I think it's just that darkness fo rme needs a sinisterness to it

[slim belfry]

slykaar archetype without the slimes unfortunately

[formal bridge]

The dark realm is just filled with pain and misery and death everywhere

[full jackal]

But blood sacrifice was done by Slykaar

[full jackal]

i feel like there just really isn’t a proper archetype for dark

[formal bridge]

Oh for sure

Acolyte just feels closest cause it's obviously the slykaar archetype and he was connected to the dark probably

[split night]

I always just interpret dark as dream
sure it is filled with those thing, it could be close to a nightmare, a hostile dream

[full jackal]

riftwalker is the closest we have to that considering its ult model

[surreal lava]

at least nothing close to fallen for corruption and lightbender/boltslinger for light

[full jackal]

boltslinger is def light themed

[slim belfry]

gosh if archetypes were full canon this would be a headache to think of

[formal bridge]

Which makes sense considering dark is the only like, pure evil realm really

[full jackal]

but lightbender is quite literally THE light

[full jackal]

wait…

eldritch demon

[formal bridge]

Queen is tyrannical and orph is a douchebag but neither come close to half the stuff Saphaanis gets up to in the SE

[slim belfry]

demon lore

[split night]

garath

[full jackal]

like Annihation?

[formal bridge]

no that's a devil

[surreal lava]

acolyte feels more war now that i think of it because of the whole self sacrifice and devils

[full jackal]

That implies the ult is linked tp war

[formal bridge]

which is different

[split night]

I always remind people that Saphanis is the one causing the Decay, Orphion is just the one prolonging it

[formal bridge]

Orph is just really bad at communication

[primal leaf]

that eldritch demon aint doing shi but giving 5% more blood pool, idk why all the archetypes aren’t using their full potential

[full jackal]

Wait wait what is the difference between a demon and a devil

[formal bridge]

Not specified yet

.

[slim belfry]

devils are mindless parts of the corruption
demons are
?????????????????

[split night]

are you really bad at communicating if you dont' communicate at all 😭
man just abandon her like that for 1000 years, what an ass

[primal leaf]

neglected child 🥀

[split night]

RoL rework need focus on this aspect and also show us why pacifism work for Lari

it would clear up a lot of weird writing choice in the current story

[surreal lava]

does orphion actually talk with the elves as in the rite that's talked about in Aldorei's Secret Part II is that still canon because that just feels wierd compared to what happens with lari

[primal leaf]

wynncraft is just salted’s version of that one loudhouse fanfic

[split night]

lexnt did put it that pacifism always work for Lari up until the parasite so, it's understandable why she is like that

but we never saw it ingame

😭

[formal bridge]

Yeah compare Lari to like, Zhiraok

[slim belfry]

LOL

[formal bridge]

poor zhizhi also gets dumped on in the story repeatedly but he feels infinitely more competent than Lari ever did

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Lexnt said it should

[split night]

[hybrid gazelle]

But rol is rol

[slim belfry]

yeah we need more examples like her visiting the other regions because Gavel is filled to the brim with sapient creatures

[slim belfry]

TRUE

[formal bridge]

It especially doesn't help when we constantly have Lari showing up elsewhere in random quests and stuff and just going "please stop doing bad things :(" and usually getting ignored

Like I think it's shattered minds where they have the spooky haunted manor built over where the parasite landed, and she tells them to leave and they just... don't

[split night]

she helped

[formal bridge]

It makes her feel way more useless when nobody even listens to her

[split night]

but they didn't listen

[zenith coral]

i feel like a main questline that elaborates on pretty much everything (frumas generic magic lore is something we should learn at like idk lvl 20) is what we need

[full jackal]

I mean Zhiraok is an example of a character actively working against us for a despicable person but being such a good-natured and admirable person that we resepect him more than some people who work WITH us but do things that are either a detriment or slow us down

[formal bridge]

I mean the fact she just asked them to leave and did nothing else beyond that makes her feel ineffectual

You also have the death whistle quest where she just shows up to scold the scummy villager and then... leaves, and does nothing else to help

[zenith coral]

you think lari is delirious from overwork?

[formal bridge]

We never get a chance to see her actually able to make a difference in even small ways, and the writing does not help like it does for Zhiraok in Fruma

[full jackal]

Absolutely

[slim belfry]

definitely but we don't see enough of her work

[formal bridge]

She just doesn't do enough is the thing

[split night]

She's just having tragedy cross on her heart and shit
all of her attempt at helping people either get nowhere because they don't care or it's not the most effectively way to deal with it

[surreal lava]

it's wild that lari learns her lesson in rol given all that has gone wrong under her influence

[full jackal]

I mean like Zhi is quite literally overworking himself to death every day helping the Auburn citizens

[formal bridge]

she spends most of her questline just pleading people to stop doing bad things and failing to help against the parasite

[zenith coral]

i feel like she does overwork 24/7 every hour of the day, she just doesnt go the right direction

[full jackal]

He saved all of Auburn from a potential flooding

And he revived Rex

[formal bridge]

I'm talking from a presentation perspective

What we as the players see

[full jackal]

Like that is so fucking goated I can’t even describe it

[zenith coral]

yeah prolly

[split night]

she definitely work 24/7 with what was shown in RoL2

[zenith coral]

we should find her periodically passed out or high on overwork

[formal bridge]

There's never a moment that makes her look competent as something like us having to alawys stay hidden and run away from Zhiraok for the entirety of the auburn chapter of things

[split night]

Lari smoked canned abis

[zenith coral]

no i mean she is basically incompetent zhiraok where she does just as much work but she accomplishes nothing cuz she doesnt go the right direction

[formal bridge]

like the death whistle quest could have her come with us and quickly calm down the woman who went coocoo due to the flowers or whatever

If she's supposed to be able to accomplish things we need to see her doing so, or at least get the impression that she does

We don't get either as is

[split night]

oh i thought you meant literally being high

xd

[zenith coral]

i feel it would be better if she wanted to do more but she senses theres an more pressing issue somewhere else and she immedieteley bolts

[sick quest]

I ran out of canned abis 😭

[full jackal]

I mean… what pressing issues though

[zenith coral]

who knows, maybe someone is in danger from the aggresive wildlife

[formal bridge]

Take RoL 1 for instance

The big final part of the quest is her just doing puppy dog eyes at the worm for a few minutes while we run around trying to survive

We don't get any real impresison that she's doing anything of substance even

[zenith coral]

so she thinks saving everyone is her business and she is just doing stuff 24/7 and always leaving mid-work or mid-help because a more pressing issue shows up

[full jackal]

I mean I think it’d be cool if before RoL 4 we’d occasionally see her helping citizens of Olux and Dark Forest

[zenith coral]

am i turning her into a workaholic girlfailure superman ? maybe

[full jackal]

Most likely the former

[full jackal]

No that is like the path I would take too

[formal bridge]

it is another flaw of early wynn writing I feel where they just hit the same nail too many times

Like multiple secret discoveries are just "Lari wishes she can do more but can't"

not even one showing her even doing anything besides the one revealing she made the river barrier

[surreal lava]

don't all of the sovereigns overwork themselves just in different ways? like Soosu is pretty much constantly tinkering Gikyo is constantly spying on people and generally being a nuisance and Majin is holding public events, and generally keeping the Highlanders proud and alligned with the Queen

[zenith coral]

replace atleast one with a delirous lari hallucinating talking with mr frog

[full jackal]

Soosu and Zhi absolutely do, especially Zhi

[zenith coral]

and we meet her in shattered minds

[full jackal]

Gikyo…… not sure

Majin absolutely does not

[formal bridge]

I don't feel Majin really fits, and Gikyo is a stretch

[full jackal]

Have you seen that guy

[formal bridge]

Majin has time to take up random hobbies all the time

His theme is much moreso wasted potential

[zenith coral]

i feel like majin wants to do stuff but hes bored cuz he already mastered and innovated on everything

[formal bridge]

He's so arrogant and egotistical that he ends up snubbing any real potential he has as a soverign

Zhiraok is a way better administrator cause he actually gets down on the ground doing all the work himself

[zenith coral]

i feel like its more that he mastered everything and even more and he is running out of stuff to do, he mustve been pretty desperate with his gardening phase

[formal bridge]

But those are all physical tasks and skills that he's obsessed with is the thing

[zenith coral]

while the one thing he should do (governing) he basically doesnt

[formal bridge]

he cares about his appearance, about his skills, his magic, all the little individual things he knows of

But he doesn't have a single person who cares for him personally beyond a superficial level

[zenith coral]

but not governing (when it isnt a party ig)

[shut mist]

also theres an artwork of like 3 zhiraoks lifting the crowns influence

[formal bridge]

Zhiraok even has someone who goes "hey man, you should take a break"

And zhiraok listens

[shut mist]

just to show how much he works

[formal bridge]

Majin could never let himself be vulnerable enough to show that kind of compassion to another

[zenith coral]

out of character

[formal bridge]

Well he still overworks himself right after, but he at least tries to listen lmao

Majin meanwhile became obsessed with the Nasin family because he couldn't let anyone seem to be better than him

So he decided an entire noble family had to be eliminated to ensure that they couldn't be seen as above him in any way due to prestige

[shut mist]

zhiraoks name is also an anagram that means something

[sick quest]

Majin is a narcissist

[formal bridge]

Absolutely

[shut mist]

||his name means death by overwork||

in another language

[formal bridge]

He's the arcitect of all his own misery as well

[zenith coral]

an earned one arguably which is kinda funny

[sick quest]

Nah Gale better

[zenith coral]

i meant more that he can back up all his talk

[formal bridge]

he had no reason to go after Gale like that. Considering what we know about him, he probably could have gotten a sovereign position in plenty of other ways than horrific harrassment, stalking, and abuse of her

[sick quest]

I folded that fraud Majin in one try

[formal bridge]

But he's so obsessed with having nobody even try and challenge him that he has to absolutely crush any sign of resistance

[zenith coral]

i feel like he needed a batman to his joker and he latched onto gale for that

maybe im reading into it too much

[formal bridge]

It's a bit of an odd metaphor but not an unrealistic one

look at our modern day politics frankly

Where we have narcissists who love to pick on one particular person as the bad guy

and won't ever shut up about them ever

The only difference is that Majin is actually competent, which makes his attempts to bring others down even more pathetic

He can't bring himself to earnestly engage with another person because he can't let himself ever seem like he's on the wrong side of things, or even in the potential to be on the wrong side of things

[zenith coral]

and yet i feel like he still wants someone to bounce of off

[formal bridge]

He needs someone to bounce off of

[sick quest]

I hope Gale visits Fruma just to piss on Majins ugly ass peacock cape

[zenith coral]

maybe its a subconscious thing

[formal bridge]

just like he needs something to engage himself in mentally

If he is ever just left on his own then he has to reckon with the fact he has nothing that makes him really happy anymore

[shut mist]

hard thing to do when your a ghost

[frozen turtle]

i think Majin just needs to be introduced to yaoi

[sick quest]

I mean a lot of narcissists latch onto and harass rivals and people that they feel are better or more liked in some way

[formal bridge]

Zhiraok has his people, Soosu has her creations, even Gikyo is a sick bastard who loves torturing people

[zenith coral]

well prolly get to tell her next wynnter

[formal bridge]

But Majin has nobody and nothing he really enjoys

He's miserable because of it

[sick quest]

Ill let her possess me just so that she can get the joy of hating on that annoying extra

[shut mist]

fair

[zenith coral]

id argue he does enjoy things but he masters them too quickly and then theyre boring. which is kinda a demerit to his prodigal skills

[sick quest]

He enjoys dominance

[formal bridge]

It reminds me a bit of Abijah Fowler from Blue Eye Samurai. Both are highly competent individuals who take up artistic hobbies for the sake of becoming the best at them, but neither is ever satisfied by them

because the only thing that matters is being on top of things

[shut mist]

majin exells at everything exept gardenning

bro litterally tells us to not bother with it

[formal bridge]

No he's good at gardening too, it just takes time

And he's very impatient

[shut mist]

he hates it

he tells us that

[formal bridge]

Being good at something =/= liking it

[sick quest]

Very typical of a narcissist

[shut mist]

fair

[sick quest]

A narcissist wants easy wins that get attention

[formal bridge]

He learned how to paint and write and create all these things

[sick quest]

Gardening is an opposite of that

[formal bridge]

But you'd never see him like

[zenith coral]

you guys think the characters we meet are too sane?

[formal bridge]

drawing a painting of a sunset because he liked how it looked

[frozen turtle]

Her Majesty should've just thrown Majin into the dern portal

[sick quest]

Nah they are not at all sane bro

[zenith coral]

well they come off as sane

[split night]

Zhiraok is

[zenith coral]

we need more completeley insane wackos

[frozen turtle]

name 1 sane person

[split night]

I think i have burning passion of hate toward Majin

[zenith coral]

that arent gag characters

[sick quest]

Majin is a narcissist Gikyo is a sociopath Zhiraok and Soosu are neurodivergent glorbos

[split night]

Gikyo

they are pretty sadistic

[frozen turtle]

Yahya is NOT a gag character tyvm

[formal bridge]

I don't really think Gikyo is a gag character lmao

[frozen turtle]

Yahya is a main, crucial character

[zenith coral]

well he certainly comes off as one

[formal bridge]

They have funny moments but not that many

[sick quest]

Lari is depressed

[surreal lava]

None of the brothers really are gag characters even if they feel like they are

[frozen turtle]

Dullahan is also kinda insane

[formal bridge]

Yahya is definitely a gag character he just gets some serious moments

[frozen turtle]

kinda

[slim belfry]

Dullahan dungeon boss

[sick quest]

Dullahan on that antisocial personality disorder shi

[surreal lava]

I feel like they are far more tragic then gag characters

[frozen turtle]

We see him in shattered minds, that obviously means he's the new Scion after Lari

[zenith coral]

then we need to let dialogue team express insanity more and better

[surreal lava]

it's just the gags come from the tragedy

[sick quest]

I mean “insanity” isnt an easy thing to express

[zenith coral]

and in more interactions

[sick quest]

Nor is it blatant

[frozen turtle]

or maybe like, someone is insane so you might just be writing them off as a gag character

[sick quest]

[zenith coral]

yeah but alot of characters feel like when we interact with them they talk like normal people. they all feel like they talk the same. we need better dialogue imo

[sick quest]

I mean insane people are mostly normal

And the like actually crazy cuckoo for cocoa puffs people arent 100% crazy all the time

[surreal lava]

a lot of the undertale/deltarune characters for example

[zenith coral]

in that case we need better dialogue ig

[sick quest]

Like Majins narcissism and Laris depression both come off quite well

Hmmm who else

[zenith coral]

lucios rashness?

[frozen turtle]

we meet a man whose married to a chicken, i'd say he's insane

even though he talks normal enough

[sick quest]

Eh that doesnt actually seem diagnosable

[zenith coral]

bit too over the top

[sick quest]

Like hes just a lil impatient

And hes able to acknowledge it

[zenith coral]

a lil blasts hole through wall

[frozen turtle]

Theorick as well

He kinda lost it at some point trying to protect Nesaak

[sick quest]

Oh yeah

[frozen turtle]

it's a lot of SD's we see this tho

[sick quest]

Theorick for sure has some narcissist streaks

With his SDs

[frozen turtle]

That rise of quatron guy is prolly insane

[zenith coral]

i kinda saw us as the bad guy in that quest cuz we killed alot of normal people

hes also just an ai bro which is kinda funny

[frozen turtle]

Dr Urelix, idk if he's insane but he's at least a complex character u could see as insane

[surreal lava]

a lot of the inhuman characters feel somewhat insane

[frozen turtle]

tldr: there are a lot of characters who are insane, some arem ore subtle then others

[zenith coral]

i feel like if you report it to the detective he 'gets let go' and 'gets found dead in a ditch'

like no way urelix doesnt have goverment connections

the whole villager goverment actually kinda feels like a looming threat imo

[sick quest]

I mean we get this answer in RoL

Orphion forces us to kill the Mayor for Urelix

Because the Mayor of Olux confronts Urelix on his bullshit

Another reason why Orphion needs to die

[surreal lava]

that wasn't really what the decision was about orphion believes dr urelix is ultimately good because he saves more people than he kills which is the point that he tried to make to lari but she refused

[sick quest]

Well yeah orphion wants to make big sacrifices on some ends justify the means shit

He wants us to kill the mayor so urelix can keep making golems

Not because he believes that urelix is good per se but because urelix’s serial murders work towards orphions ultimate ends

That boy better scramble like an egg before he gets folded like an omelet

[zenith coral]

i meant the larger gavel villager goverment which to me feels like a big villain theyre keeping for future updates

[formal bridge]

I just assumed the entire mayor and urelix sequence was a dream, not Orphion actually sending this rando human on an assassination mission

Considering it can reset repeatedly until you do the right thing

And we've never seen any of the realm beasts be able to control time

[zenith coral]

nah its real orphion can just resurrect people and brainwash them into thinking nothin ever happened

also i think saphanis can control time considering riftwalkers whole deal

[surreal lava]

Anathema arguably should be able to given Soosu's powers

[zenith coral]

still have no idea why she has access to cosmic magix

like this is why i think majins magic is basically fake

theres no reason she is able to give him that

[surreal lava]

i feel like maybe all 3 realm beast have some sort of astral domain as well with orphion's being stars, anathema's being other celestial bodies(meteors,planets) and saphanis being void/space

[frozen turtle]

riftwalker is more cosmic,
and i dont think either can just control time and stuff like that

[sick quest]

Riftwalker is very time based as well but its not rly saphanis related

[frozen turtle]

time and cosmic feel related

[sick quest]

Nah i think its real i just dont think orphion allows you to do anything but kill the mayor

Because we dont see any consequences for urelix in any follow up quest

Even tho he keeps up quite a bit again

[surreal lava]

when does urelix show up after rol I again?

rol 3

what am i talking about

[slim belfry]

yeah we got the olms as potential evidence researching both

[zenith coral]

the eyes say otherwise imo

[surreal lava]

Orphion feels like a odd one out in so many ways out of the 3 current realm beasts, Saphanis and Anathema both have cosmic connections, Majin and Soosu's sovereign powers and TNA, and both have connections to mirrors Lutho Sidequest and Sovereign Two

[frozen turtle]

also gotta remember the archetypes are not canon, so even if it was "dern powers", that doesnt mean dern would have control over time

Plus if we really wanna go into the design, the rift itself looks like space with black void with stars in it, and we know that Dern is an influence and not apart of the physical realm

[regal spire]

Yo, whoever put a chest in the vents, after a sign in the Saltpeter mines says “vents jammed again” is amazing

[solid ibex]

dern having control over time is deadass way too op

[frozen turtle]

cosmic connections? we also fight our reflection in the light monolith so

i mean it may be dern that causes the reflection

[solid ibex]

they need more of these ong

[frozen turtle]

and also the blessing powers dont mean Anathema has those powers herself or is related at all,
the blessings just seem to boost powers in a way

[surreal lava]

how does Anathema boosts Majin's powers like all of the other ones i can kind of see but I think there is no way that Majin could conjure a space battlefield before being a sovereign

[slim belfry]

or maybe giving something fitting?

Majin with cosmic powers fits him like giving a rabid raccoon crack

[frozen turtle]

we don't know how blessings work exactly but we know it gives/boosts existing traits/power

we do know that the blessing, apart from Bak'al has nothing to do with the power of the RoW

like Soosu is an invetor, the blessing enhances that

[solid ibex]

thats a domain expansion 🙏

[frozen turtle]

Gikyo is a changeling, the blessing enhances their ability to copy

if blessings gave powers that RoW/Anathema had then that would imply she had control over physical time, cosmic, matter, mimicking other powers, gravity (probably Oru's power), and like whatever two's power is

[surreal lava]

but Majin had like nothing to do with stars before and now he suddenly does i guess it reflect his narcissism but you don't really see the powers mirroring their own self image for the others

[frozen turtle]

he already studied a lot of magic before the blessing, and i think astronomy too let me check

[solid ibex]

Majin really liked astronomy from the looks of it

literally named a comet after himself

[hybrid gazelle]

Majinning out

blessing has to do with the character themselves

rather than what they actually are

so Majin having cosmic blessing likely came from aspect of himself that wanting to archieve higher and higher

similar to how Gikyo see nothing in themselves beyond a tool for the crown so their blessing take form in enchancement to their changeling ability

or Zhiraok overburden with expectation

so he given time magic that not only inducie his headache to force him to focus on his work

but to also allow him to do works faster

Soosu blessing came from her wanting to create

so yeah as Majin said

queen's blessing is depend on the characteristic of the person

[surreal lava]

are all of the realm beasts natural manaweavers? like can they see mana strands not as in they are the human group

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know much about manaweaver

but like

the weave is exclusive to physical plane

so no

[surreal lava]

oh right

[hybrid gazelle]

realm beast is realm beast

manaweaver is manaweaver

if realm beast have similar power to manaweaver then that just perk being realm beast if every single of them have it

[split night]

this is like comparing a dragon to a special ant

how did you even draw the similarity between them xd

[surreal lava]

my real question was can realm beast see mana strands

so i compared them to manaweavers who can naturally do the same thing without some kind of machine

[dim plover]

What will our blessing be

[slim belfry]

you decide

[dim plover]

Is it just an advanced Avada Kedavra since we seem to really like slaughtering entire armies’ worth of life

[split night]

they can see beyond our comprehension because they're god basically
so that's just something they can see, naturally

[dim plover]

Our blessing is the power to literally control life energy

[dim plover]

Like, just imagine

[split night]

your oc got a cool power

[dim plover]

We can just take life energy and pull it out of any lifeform and they’re dead instantly

[surreal lava]

like was brought up before though the weave only exists on the natural plane so can they?

[dim plover]

It matches our killing tendencies so

[hybrid gazelle]

"Our killing tendencies"

sure

[split night]

Manaweaver is a special type of sapien thing that have power to tap into the magic around them

that's the concept

[dim plover]

I mean we basically kill anything that moves

[split night]

fleris??

[dim plover]

Unless the game puts an NPC tag above them

[dim plover]

Yeah sure why not

[split night]

gameplay

[hybrid gazelle]

wow it almost like

[split night]

You can't just take 2 gameplay thing and then draw two different conclusion out of it 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

the player character only killing someone who actively harm them or something

but you know

maybe it just me

[split night]

that's both indecisive and confirmation bias

[hybrid gazelle]

there like few case I can think of

where player killing people for no reason

[dim plover]

Industrial region has people just working though

[hybrid gazelle]

and they jump us so

like

[dim plover]

Unless we don’t canonically kill them or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

also I think that just gameplay thing and player dont actually go around and killing people

[dim plover]

Probs

[hybrid gazelle]

that brought up so many implication that do not go with the story at all

and beside those workers attack first so it all self defense

[solid ibex]

what did hashr do again to deserve getting slimed by the player

[hybrid gazelle]

being a furry

[solid ibex]

fair

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816419729295016048/1505103534675329147/Video_Project_25.gif

[hybrid gazelle]

maiden tower is like

probably also one of those case

but it got shrek in it so I could not give a shit about it

[solid ibex]

the player just slimes some people for the heck of it

[split night]

It's just

[hybrid gazelle]

sometime you gotta kill people because you gotta do

it just how it is

[split night]

random scenarios

[solid ibex]

at least they are a bit more reserved on killing in later quests

[split night]

that's just the nature of gavel quest

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

but that does not mean player kill everything they come across

ESPICALLY in fruma

where everyone believe the fucking dictator

[solid ibex]

sherk

[hybrid gazelle]

like either the people we meet having indoctrination drill into their head the moment they come out of womb

[split night]

people just draw the conclusion that we are a killing machine solely out of gameplay

[hybrid gazelle]

or IDK whatever going on with Majin

Player can kill shit that like a fact sure

but saying they are like psychopathic killer is like

[solid ibex]

tbf if you've been killing a bunch of machines and bats to level up your "combat" experience to max, yeah you will assume the player loves murdering shit

[split night]

they are gonna attack us and report us to the authority where we get executed publicly anyway
it's literally self defense at this point

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK man do the writers want fucking psychopathic maniac to be the main character of wynncraft?

[split night]

:\

[hybrid gazelle]

I think wynncraft community already filled with too many piece of shit for that

[split night]

that's prove my statement

[solid ibex]

yes thats what im doing lol

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816419729295016048/1505103534675329147/Video_Project_25.gif

[solid ibex]

canon wise, i just take grind rooms as where the player goes to practice their combat

[hybrid gazelle]

"omg player is killing machine" until 2 dumbfuck constables start acusing them

Harvin and Maurey no diff the player

[solid ibex]

the goats

they can solo the realm beasts

[split night]

basically 97% of our kills are out of self-defense

[hybrid gazelle]

there probably some that i miss that is not self defense

[split night]

we can tell when someone have killing intend for us story-wise if we take red name, a gameplay thing into account

like

we can naturally tell when someone want to kill us

[hybrid gazelle]

but Tasim was fucking wrong saying that we can just knock people in fort torran out

there like

[split night]

and we act accordingly

[hybrid gazelle]

30+ people in there

actively want to kill us

theren o fucking way to manage the situation in a way that it would not cause any casuality

or minimize it

[split night]

knocking people out 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

it completely unplanned

[split night]

it was by surprise

[solid ibex]

what Tasim should be pointing out more is that we broke into Fruma, and half the reason WAS FOR HIM (or heck maybe entirely 😭)

[split night]

no not half
the reason is literally for him

[hybrid gazelle]

like okay

[split night]

our motive is him

[hybrid gazelle]

fair he did not ask for it

but at the same time

mf you disappear on us and the last time we see you

you are in fucking isolated kingdom

who leader is FUCKING DICTATOR

Taism is lucky that the queen understand what consent is because I pretty sure if the queen is anymore evil, she would drill his brain and attach wire on it like puppet string

[elfin comet]

is fruma attached to the realm of war in the plane of influence

i forget

[solid ibex]

nah

[split night]

no, where did u got that

xd

[solid ibex]

fruma is mostly away from the war of the realms conflict, they only getting involved since its an absolute necessity to keep orphion and saphanis in check

[elfin comet]

i just thought it made sense lowkey

[elfin comet]

ok ty

[slim belfry]

in a way it's like a "new realm of war"

[mystic remnant]

ok but i did actively enjoy murdering all of them

[elfin comet]

cant we just stop having wars and make out with each other

[mystic remnant]

captain lilles fight is just really good

[solid ibex]

sure lets make out with orphion and saphanis

[hybrid gazelle]

taht fair

[elfin comet]

what do yall think the level cap will be

when realm of dern is out

[hybrid gazelle]

I kinda wish there are more in toran fight

but then agian I dont think they can add much

but at the same it just

Eh

like it fine

[elfin comet]

yes!

[slim belfry]

150

[solid ibex]

200

[elfin comet]

is wastelands gonna be 2.21 or 2.3

[hybrid gazelle]

it fine I just think the way they describe it in game is pretty worse than what it appear to be but at the same time maybe because all crazy shit make me numb to it

[surreal lava]

for realm of dern probably 130 but i could see after realm of derm reaching 150 or 200

[hybrid gazelle]

because like on its lonesome fort torran massarce is pretty bad like

[solid ibex]

former is most likely

[hybrid gazelle]

many people die tehre

but I guess I am so used to like

[solid ibex]

since wastelands is still an extension of the fruma update

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft throwing 50+ enemies at me in lootrun

[elfin comet]

i assume wastelands isnt happening until 2027

[hybrid gazelle]

Also

shoutout to that one random wing knight

that for some reason guarding the fucking drill in Mistwood

IDK wtf he doing but like

you go I guess?

[mystic remnant]

do you think sui racked up a higher kill count than us by the end

[hybrid gazelle]

but like sure

[surreal lava]

god no

[elfin comet]

people who used the fort hegea grindspot:

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui proably did not has higher kill count

[mystic remnant]

sui's continuous and generational crash out lasted the culmination of like, four levels worth of content

[hybrid gazelle]

but she has aura

[solid ibex]

our kill count is in the millions, reaching billions

Sui aint catching up

[mystic remnant]

well dont you know about the soldier cloning machine in majin's basement which sui was farming while we were off gallavanting with Two

[surreal lava]

are gavellians/frumans actually stronger than the average wynn person or is that just gameplay

[hybrid gazelle]

if majin has cloning tech

I dont think he cloning soldiers

[surreal lava]

normal people not mobs

[mystic remnant]

levels arent canon

[hybrid gazelle]

he 100% fucking cloning himself

[surreal lava]

i know levels aren't but they have more health

[hybrid gazelle]

Majin is the type of mf who clone himself to make out with his clone

[solid ibex]

Zhiraok having to deal with 100 majins on a daily basis

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that

tend to happen

when neemies have more level

like what you expeccting like

100 HP enemies in level 120 area?

like mf they gonan die to a sneeze

[mystic remnant]

majin the type of mf to clone himself and then kill his own clone the moment it beats him in rock paper scissors

[surreal lava]

but also the fraction between mobs and villagers health becomes a lot greater later on

[mystic remnant]

"man i cant believe the only thing you can do in this game is level up your defence"

[hybrid gazelle]

Mobs and enemies

[solid ibex]

you can say like the player gets more "experience" combat wise killing these low level guys when canon wise they do actually threaten the player
since player now has experience, they adapt to a point where they know weak points or patterns
attempting to explain gameplay mechanics lol

[surreal lava]

are there any canonically straight and alive couples?

[split night]

the thing is like
we're fighting long time trained soldiers
they are not some low level guy, they were train without magic, being able to deal with the cursed mean sometime

[split night]

plenty

[surreal lava]

such as?

[solid ibex]

alive really narrows that down 😭

[surreal lava]

like all of the ones i can think of are dead

[full jackal]

Better question:

Are there any canonically straight, alive AND relevant couples

[split night]

can i ask the same for gay people

[mystic remnant]

nohno and his wife

[split night]

since "relevant" is a big limiter

[hybrid gazelle]

Maxie and Rhay

Zeph and Yuman

[split night]

there are only 2 gay couples in the whole game

taht is relevant

[full jackal]

Easy

Maxie and Rhay

[solid ibex]

straight, alive, and same species

[hybrid gazelle]

then fuck IDK

[split night]

i literally said that to make a point

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

but for sure there one straight couple

[mystic remnant]

now you're just being unfair, do you know how many species there are in wynncraft

[hybrid gazelle]

ELtom Mayor and Thesand mayor

[mystic remnant]

what if a guy just wants to smooch a villager huh

[split night]

i might as well just fuck a plant

[hybrid gazelle]

that do happen

[split night]

they look humanoid enough

[solid ibex]

oh right

theseed mayor and human mayor

[mystic remnant]

yah

[solid ibex]

i forgor the 9name of that village

eltom aint it?

[split night]

it's eltom yeah

pretty sure

[mystic remnant]

actually do the wynncrafters even like, view nohno marrying a chicken as any weirder than the thesead situation

like in universe

[full jackal]

The thesead situation is fine

[hybrid gazelle]

Nohno marrying a chicken play off in joking manner

I dont think it actualyl THAT romantic

because

[full jackal]

Humans and Villagers are genetically similar enough to have offspring

[hybrid gazelle]

that hold a lot of problematic implication

[full jackal]

And villagers are sentient being that can consent

[hybrid gazelle]

which I rather not think about

[full jackal]

Nohno thing on the other hand

[solid ibex]

villagers just have big ass noses

[full jackal]

Is uh….

[mystic remnant]

do you think a dwarf and a dogun could

[full jackal]

I mean I don’t think they could

Uhh even

Uhhhh

How would they even

[mystic remnant]

douse one in water

kiss

[solid ibex]

oh hell nah doguns would fry that dih and puh

[mystic remnant]

recussitate

[full jackal]

Thanks for saying what I was too afraid to say XD

[hybrid gazelle]

Axelus and Korzim

[full jackal]

Is that actually a ship?

[hybrid gazelle]

next question

[mystic remnant]

are there half elves

[split night]

this is just another gay ship btw

[solid ibex]

doomed yaoi again bro

[split night]

xd

[full jackal]

Look it’s the same situation for every indie game

[hybrid gazelle]

no theren o half elves

[full jackal]

If you’re a straight and plot-relevant couple

[hybrid gazelle]

because wynncraft will do ANYTHING butm ake interspieces relationship beside racism

[split night]

stop putting limiter on this relation ship thing and count every single instant of couple in existent then we categorize that data

[full jackal]

It’s either going to become a polycule, be extremely unhealthy, or one/both of you are gonna die

It’s a rule of the universe

[split night]

^^^^

do this, it would help

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel writers when they see people from 2 different cultural background actually talk to each other and not fight and throw slurs

[full jackal]

Or divorce that could happen too

[mystic remnant]

hey i mean some of the hate crimes werent racially motivated, just motivated

i dont think they killed dullahan for being an elf

[full jackal]

I mean like