📚lore_discussion

[formal bridge]

Villagers are just generally belligerent

The orc situation is just imperialism, not race focused

[signal bough]

its a little race focused

[formal bridge]

Well they're still imperialists yeah

It's just that they don't have a festival featuring a live execution of a minority while the crowd cheers

Or people who are so racist they weaponize their entire house whenever an Avo dares to try and buy somethint

[zenith coral]

this mindset may be rooted in how she is a realm beast and all realm beasts rule like that

[zenith coral]

thats just good marketing. if a weapons shop can do that their product has to be top-tier right?

[formal bridge]

Her childhood was the Realm of War and then the first person or even thing that was sapient she ever met was Bak'al lmao

Not a recipe for a well adjusted moth

[manic kraken]

have we seen realm beast for realm of darkness yet?

or was that basically just the eye

[formal bridge]

We only have the SE's ultimate discovery for what they kinda look like

[manic kraken]

fahhh

bro can you believe we only have the silent expanse as our only known update left 🥀

[winged narwhal]

A despicable beast not worth considering

[manic kraken]

if weve seen what the eye looks like its honestly kinda horrifying to imagine what it can look like

[winged narwhal]

Nothing compared to His light, His grace, and His abs

[manic kraken]

cuh

can we get a beast for realm of corkus pls

lowk that would be so fire

if we just have that as a new doogan boss for (hopefully) a new corkus revamp

or prolly leave it for a raid

[winged narwhal]

The doguns aren’t in Corkus

[zenith coral]

we played as it

[manic kraken]

wait acc?

[zenith coral]

but if it is one-eyed the design falls short imo, all this stuff about eyes means i do want it to be straight from the cthulu mythos with lots of eyes

[manic kraken]

i was tryna say dungeon in a derpy way

[zenith coral]

in the secret disc we seem to be looking through its pov, which raises alot of questions

like why our brain didnt melt

[manic kraken]

ooo that would be kinda cool, having a random ahh cult of dark beast thingies like the panic zealot for the cthulu beast of darkness would be kinda fire ngl

[manic kraken]

bc in yahyas mushroom sup we trust

[zenith coral]

soup

but yeah why did we look through its pov? im pretty sure that only happens there

it prolly means nothin but imagine the implications

[manic kraken]

could this mean we from dark realm

bc we were prolly used to something that should typically melt our minds out

i mean hey its a possibility, we couldve been lab rats of the queen of fruma's to begin with

[formal bridge]

I mean that raises the question of the canon nature of secret discoveries in general

If so, does the player have some kind of psychometry? Able to see the past by touching these objects?

It does happen in some quests I'm pretty sure so it wouldn't be that odd

[pine flower]

same reason as why we can play multiple classes and do quests that are days apart in a second, or quests that are seconds apart over weeks
blantant time manipulation

[zenith coral]

the ones in gavel seem to rely on some unexplained orbs

[zenith coral]

nah wynncraft takes place in less than a week

[manic kraken]

hyperactive schizophrenia induced by time magic

acting out several scenarios on a daily basis

[formal bridge]

I mean im pretry sure the timeline is an abstraction of game mechanics, similar to the scale of the universe as well being abstracted. And we only ever play as one class in canon

[pine flower]

exactly, happened when we got memory wiped

[formal bridge]

But the secret duscoveries being canon meaning we see visions of the past just being in these areas

[manic kraken]

ALLAT IN ONE WEEK 😭 💀

[formal bridge]

Some can be explained with ghost nonsense but not all

[pine flower]

4 festivals in one week 🔥

[zenith coral]

well you can play through wynn in less than a week so i reckon its canon, were just that capable

[pine flower]

pretty sure one of the fruma quests imply a longer stretch of time

[manic kraken]

just casually handling openning a crap ton of dungeons across plagued lands while somehow crossing the entire fkin ocean to resolve random civil wars in villager lands in less than a week 💀

[zenith coral]

well seaskipper travels from nemract to llevigar in less than an minute soo

[manic kraken]

can we technically keep the entire fruma storyline paced at the same timelength as the ninjago tournament of elements season

[formal bridge]

What about minecraft day night cycles if we're going to be considering this timeline stuff

[zenith coral]

thats because the black holes you spawn in as a riftwalker dilute their sense of time

[zenith coral]

30 minutes boi

[manic kraken]

but realistically would we have seaskipper teleporting the main character in less than a minute from wynn to gavel?

[zenith coral]

nah his ship is just that good

[manic kraken]

so hes just casually flinging his boad across the entire map all for a few emeralds 💀

[pine flower]

riftwalker induced insanity strikes again, this explains why they all think the queen somehow turned into a bug

[frozen turtle]

Seaskipper is not human bro

[manic kraken]

the queen turned into shrek

[signal bough]

it's the sail

he purchased a sail from corkus

[zenith coral]

canonically he isnt

[manic kraken]

black hole induced sail

[manic kraken]

hes a villager

big nose guy

big nose big forehead

[zenith coral]

ever heard of the real life theory that we are in a black hole and thats why our sense of time differs from another

[pine flower]

i can see how different classes give different insane delusions

[manic kraken]

normal ppl see the queen, riftwalkers see a bug, yahyamushroom-eating shamans like me see shrek

[zenith coral]

well in my riftwalker lightbender and fallen make us of the realms for power so their mental state is questionable at best

at worst they are activeley metamorphosizinh

[frozen turtle]

Paladin thinks bovemisim is real so

[formal bridge]

Bovemism is real wdym

[pine flower]

i take it shrek looks similar to sherk

[frozen turtle]

yeah paladin is obviously sane cuz they believe in boveism

[manic kraken]

does this imply arcanists are just arsonists

[manic kraken]

sherk is sherk

[frozen turtle]

arcanists are just crazy spell casting people

[zenith coral]

they are normal mages

[pine flower]

they will become beautiful butterflies

[pine flower]

i see, fascinating

[zenith coral]

riftwalker fallen and lightbender just are debtors to the realms

classic warlocks

[frozen turtle]

is Sherk an Ogre or is Sherk a Sherk

[zenith coral]

they are nasuverse mages

[zenith coral]

alot more grim than that

[pine flower]

scary

[zenith coral]

i believe i described the outcomes elsewhere but my hc for the end of those transformations are; lightbender becomes a angel made of mosaic glass, riftwalker sprouts eyes, mouths and other limbs everywhere and becomes permanentley distorted (the distortion doesnt go away and accumulates forever), and fallens armor fuses with their skin (the weapon fuse swith their hand) and their corruption meter forever goes up (no cap, no cap on enraging blow either), and they can heal only when killing. all three endings lead to egodeath

[manic kraken]

i was gonna say theyre basically arsonist mages on vitamin gummies but i think thats gonna get me banned so ill just say they're regular mages to be respectful

[manic kraken]

sherks a sherk

[pine flower]

my riftwalker for one will distort so hard they completely shift out of reality and into the void

[manic kraken]

their brains implode and spaghettify

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-spaghetti-ai-eating-gif-2796300478009311884

[pine flower]

proud of fallen for taking Monster's item lore to heart

[pine flower]

Ai, explode.

[manic kraken]

my shaman eats so much mushrooms from yahya that he will expand his understanding of the universe to a greater extent

he will see past the realm of light, war and darkness

[zenith coral]

that lore may as well just scream this is a weapon for fallen, but instead its for mage which is kinda funny

[manic kraken]

he will be the eyes that watch u in the silent expanse

[manic kraken]

bakals fav weapon

bakals favorite backscratcher

[zenith coral]

it really doesnt look like on unless he uses its fire to burn his back to alleviate the itch

sounds like him

[manic kraken]

ehhhhh

[zenith coral]

you think we will get a anime-battle with bak'al like lari got

[manic kraken]

that wasnt just no anime-battle that was a fully on Berserk sacrifice

Lari got the behelit sacrificial treatment

also wait is bak'al of the realm of war or the realm of darkness?

[hybrid gazelle]

decide to do rough sketch for Ragni general

sine there is not one rn

[zenith coral]

imo the shield should be bigger than him

[manic kraken]

draw him without the helmet

make his head toby fox

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[zenith coral]

he is a hold guard, that is his head

[manic kraken]

nah he should have a toby fox head

also holy the realm of war genuinely looks like something Kratos climbed

[hybrid gazelle]

I probaby come back to making general character later when I am done with artfight stuff

[zenith coral]

but youll make his shield bigger?

[hybrid gazelle]

but overall I have to make general design for Ragni and Troms since they absent from the game rn

[zenith coral]

and add a arrow to his knee?

[hybrid gazelle]

Eveni implied to die during annhillation so I gotta make a new general

[manic kraken]

oh shoot i just realized the realm of darkness is called the realm of dern

[hybrid gazelle]

so there there only

[zenith coral]

this is because orphion doesnt name its realm (it doesnt want to name its own mother)

[hybrid gazelle]

Admiral Aegis, Admiral Amerigo, and General Graken

[manic kraken]

ahhh

[manic kraken]

wait so dern is the realm beast of darkness

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[manic kraken]

Dern is literally its name

[zenith coral]

no probably not

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[manic kraken]

oh

[zenith coral]

its name is saphanis

but its actual name is prolly in rhyleian

[hybrid gazelle]

oh you mean that

[zenith coral]

or however i spell tha

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah nvm no Saphanis is realm beast of Dern

Dern is the realm

Saphanis is the beast

[zenith coral]

make these guys have no weapon, they just bash everyones head in with their shield

[manic kraken]

bruh wtf bob is half olmic

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

he is

[limber swan]

Ragnar is literally there

[regal spire]

Ah, yes, the famous saying

Is there anything in the game that references this, or is it an entirely self-contained concept

[hybrid gazelle]

it never said anywhere else beside that one festival NPC

that bbecause Admiral Aegis as CHARACTER implement relatively recently

and there no point in quest can be brought up

we likely see it later down the line

Assuming the title of admiral not getting retcon

[regal spire]

It felt very festival-y

[hybrid gazelle]

I just gonna make colonies in Wynn use new and old millitary system

[regal spire]

But, a random NPC saying it to themselves, or in a group, or whatever, I wouldn’t mind it

It’s nice to establish in-universe idioms and phrases

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably will add it latrer down the line

[regal spire]

Later… 😔

I’m so hyped for the full game storyline to eventually be implemented

We at least need that 1-75/1-79 range established

I think 80-100 having a lot more “aimless” storylines is an okay thing

[signal bough]

that shield does not look easily plantable

[hybrid gazelle]

it's from his odl design that I want to kept

[frozen turtle]

wdym, those sharp bits at the bottom make it easy to plant into the ground for sure

[signal bough]

ehhhh

the 2nd spike at another angle would hurt

if it was just one on the bottom? sure

or maybe they did it leaning back

[frozen turtle]

yeah i dont get that first spike lowkey

the big one is for attacks, curved one can like

control other attacks

is it just like a counter balance idk

[hybrid gazelle]

the hook end suppose to allow you to disarm your opponent

that why weapon in medival time have hook on them

there probably another use

but yeah

[frozen turtle]

yeah i get the hook

its the third one

like the smaller sharp straight one

[indigo plover]

wait so Sui can see the elements?

and the corruption strand too

[slim belfry]

she can see the elements but she can't see corruption since it's not an element

[indigo plover]

but she says she sees something else

[earnest prairie]

technically. she “feels” it but she cant see it if that makes sense

[indigo plover]

i guess

[earnest prairie]

like shes aware its there but she cant directly interact with it i think

[indigo plover]

why didnt they bring up the darkness element? like in journey beyond

[earnest prairie]

i think that got decanonized

[slim belfry]

that was an error and was never meant to be the case

[indigo plover]

ahh

this just kinda reminded me of it

[earnest prairie]

Corruption, Dark, and Light are more akin to concepts than elements

and the elements serve as smth like a bridge to those concepts. sort of

[indigo plover]

hmm that makes sense

why can only she see it?

[mossy badge]

She's manaweaver ig

[earnest prairie]

shes like Theorick’s potential level so she sees the world a lil differently

[mossy badge]

Btw if corruption is present in anyway in fruma, surely dark is present in SE

[earnest prairie]

while ppl like Zeph and [Player] need tools to channel the magic sui doesnt rlly need it

so think of it like connecting electronics. while we need a charger to connect to the outlet (elements) and our phone (us) sui is like a vaccum which is the individual and the plug

[indigo plover]

ok ty for the information

[rotund galleon]

wireless electricity doesnt satisfy pretty much any safety standards tho

does that mean we need to kill sui as shes a threat to the public

[earnest prairie]

Fruman propaganda?!

[rotund galleon]

all hail the queen

[earnest prairie]

if sui dies i kill every single fruman resident

except arnol.

[mossy badge]

Arnol is dead on my mage 🥰

[rotund galleon]

u got a crush or smth

[earnest prairie]

no but shes my favorite character and not a fraud currently

score 1-0

[rotund galleon]

nah man

u def got a crush

[hybrid gazelle]

AJB/AJF rework PLEASEEE

That shit been broguht again and again

[slim belfry]

what about people that have a crush on the queen

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[indigo plover]

how did he die 😭

[rotund galleon]

i mean, mommy fеtish is kind of a mental disorder so i cant really judge them

[mossy badge]

If u act mean to him he won't escape with u and i'd assume "the strong survive"

And not arnol

Adder prolly cooks him or whatever the recruiters planned i forgot

[slim belfry]

LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

I love how if tyou take AJB alement shit as face value

the entire NoL raid cant happen at all

like NoL raid just the end of story

player die

the end

[earnest prairie]

NoL raid story is fine imo. just a lil tweaking here and there. but i do wish i dont get insta killed the second i lose myself in visual clutter

[hybrid gazelle]

what

when I

I did not say anythign about NoL story itself what

[slim belfry]

the player cannot defeat the parasite because they still had darkness gg

[hybrid gazelle]

I just say that if AJB element thing was true then NoL is legit impossible

[hybrid gazelle]

Parasite fucking kill the palyer and Orphion die

Darkness win

[earnest prairie]

introducing the 8th element tho: plot

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[earnest prairie]

sorry ig for making a joke

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[frozen turtle]

At least change the dialogue to make it clear it’s not an element for the time being

[split night]

they would have to rewrite the first part

i beg for them to remove cart aledar and put it somewhere else

[frozen turtle]

Just like change the word element and replace it. They can still have like the same sequence (for now) just don’t call dark an element

I’d need to relook at the quest but couldn’t they say smth like idk it’s got pure dark influence around it or smth idk

[split night]

the thing is

there is an inconsistency

( as for all quests really )

why didn't we need that guy to do something funny to us so we can kill stuff in RoL

[frozen turtle]

Yeah I’m saying just re write the reason why you can’t kill the thing

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt mention it befor3e that reworking that segment would be a lot of work

and better off just do it when they rework AJB/AJF as a whole

which is like

fine

[frozen turtle]

Idk I feel like it would be easy just to change the dialogue to make it clear it’s not an element and why we can’t kill it normally - even if it’s written widely

and then yk rework it properly

Cuz I think just writing some bullshit reason that isn’t lore-breaking is better then what we have now

[hybrid gazelle]

still better off to just rewrite the entire quest in one go than to fill the section with non relevant bullshit

as place holder

it is what it is

[uneven basin]

could always just delete it as a andaid fix

like the dren section

[rustic nexus]

cutting it wouldn't make sense if you're following along the story the quest is trying to say

[uneven basin]

not really ? it's just a roadblock

all it does is say "ther's a dark element that permeates all of us btw let me remove it"

[rustic nexus]

I think it's just that ajb/ajf reworks need to happen asap

[full jackal]

trie

after ajb and ajf

aledar lucio and elphaba all look like useless frauds ngl

I mean aledar’s sacrifice at the end was honestly pretty noble

but the rest of the quest makes him like a massive fraud tf you mean you can’t survive like 1 minute into the expanse and we have to bail you out so many times

[rustic nexus]

I find it so funny how

literally after seeing an obsessor trick and capture lucio

he just casually walks up to another human looking thing just standing still doing nothing

expecting some other result

[full jackal]

if it weren’t for the sacrifice at the end we could have just done the entire expanse by ourselves 100x faster

[full jackal]

exactly

he seems less like a veteran soldier

[clear scaffold]

lucio is at least understandable

[full jackal]

and more like some random farmer who got dragged along

[rustic nexus]

it is, but why aledar then proceeds to fall in basically the same trap later is just 😭

[clear scaffold]

yeah aledar is just like peak stupidity.

[full jackal]

does he even do anything useful in the expanse other than the sacrifice?

[rustic nexus]

help you break the spike wall leading to EO

[clear scaffold]

uh... he saves the player from getting a poison attack?

[rustic nexus]

that too

also holy plot armor

aledar instantly finds the potion to cure the player

[full jackal]

oh yea right

[clear scaffold]

actually that was himself

[rustic nexus]

but can't find the one to cure himself

[clear scaffold]

it was like hair tonic or something

[rustic nexus]

yeah after a while

hair loss treatment

[nocturne nimbus]

I’m not gonna say it’s written perfectly or anything but I think it’s pretty reasonable that these people, despite being great soldiers, are out of their depth in a place they have only the faintest idea of

[rustic nexus]

1.19 writing certainly was..
something

[rustic nexus]

no yeah I'm not saying anything against that

it's just that aledar specifically just

[clear scaffold]

also the "my liver"

[rustic nexus]

feels so stupid during the two quests

[clear scaffold]

ah yes elephba you're going to get your liver back.

[rustic nexus]

I mean, would you want to die without your liver while you can go get it back smh

but yeah maybe something different can be done

[split night]

I mean at least give them logical thinking or a smart capture
why did Aledar immediately trust that fake guy in the entrance after watching Lucio fell for it

unless they can hypnotize people like an angler fish

xd

[rustic nexus]

but a similar idea

[full jackal]

yea that is true but i’d expect them to last more than approximately 30 seconds before immediately dying

like maybe halfway through ajb’s silent expanse at least

[clear scaffold]

i think lucio is the only death where it's kinda logical

[full jackal]

i’m fine with elphaba and lucio dying in ajb

but why so early

[rustic nexus]

I think the first death should be lucio's

[young dock]

Lucio didn’t go by the buddy system, Big CT had to let him go

[rustic nexus]

and maybe elphaba should accompany you in the olmic city

but like

[full jackal]

i mean yea lucio shiuld die first out of cockiness

[rustic nexus]

only for the first part

[full jackal]

ofc

but like i think lucio should die at the worm in olmic city maybe

[nocturne nimbus]

yeah it happens very quickly lol

[full jackal]

and elphaba dies while protecting aledar in eyeball forest

[split night]

I think just give the quest better pacing and everything is good
Put the Aledar Cart at the start of the quest, before entering SE is perfec

[nocturne nimbus]

I mean it doesn’t help that they’re all introduced in that quest basically, even though they’ve been expanded a bit since then

[split night]

we don't need cart aledar in SE

[full jackal]

the one we got because we were defending him instead of running past the mobs?

[young dock]

Pardon if I missed something, but this was Lucios first introduction right?

[clear scaffold]

no AJF

where you walk with him in toxic place

[split night]

yeah im pretty sure

[full jackal]

yea thats what i was talking about

[clear scaffold]

that wasn't defending him

[nocturne nimbus]

anyone else bumping on the right track rn

[full jackal]

Maybe i’m misremembering

i’ll recheck

[split night]

im vibin to a song so yes im bumping

[full jackal]

ive done those 2 quests a grand total of once

[young dock]

They got blossom on the YouTube channel, I get to re experience the dagger the content team left in me

[clear scaffold]

lucio just never shows up

[full jackal]

oh yea no i’m misremembering

that was an ambush

okay yea that was kinda based of aledar

[young dock]

You’re telling me we see Mel, Linton, and others before Lucio makes an appearance 😭

[rustic nexus]

nah, under greed's reign ftw

[full jackal]

that one was so good

[nocturne nimbus]

it was also elphaba’s first introduction and I’m pretty sure aledar’s first appearance after the tutorial

[full jackal]

but blossom/budding daydreams is the best

[nocturne nimbus]

when it came out

[young dock]

Ah when it first

[full jackal]

yes lucio is a masssive fraud

[rustic nexus]

yeah and then elphaba got 1 quest

reclaiming the house

[full jackal]

elphaba should be seen working with tasim goddamnit T_T

[young dock]

How could we miss reclaiming the house

[rustic nexus]

I think we're going to see that

[clear scaffold]

aledar calling elphaba elphie wasn't on my bingo card though

[rustic nexus]

since apparently tasim knew her

[split night]

Lucio in rymek would be fire though lowkey

[full jackal]

wait yea

And then junes and aledar in troms

[rustic nexus]

Lucio in the cinfras sewer casino

[full jackal]

Wait was that junes?

[split night]

hey guys im introducing Alphaba to the love triangle if Tasim work with her in the Orc questlines

[rustic nexus]

think you're thinking about lanu

[full jackal]

yea

[rustic nexus]

junes is only for the desert

[split night]

they should let us increase the amount we can bet

i want to gamble

[clear scaffold]

Surprised not one of them dates

[rustic nexus]

polyamory!!!!!

[full jackal]

Linton should be a nemcract character

[split night]

unrelated but i think my recommendation just smoked crack

[full jackal]

wait nvm i misread it

[rustic nexus]

wuh

[slim belfry]

the WHAT Noelle AU

[rustic nexus]

stand ready for my arrival, kris

[full jackal]

wait would that make it a love square if including the player

[neat oriole]

insert the viltrumite looking guy in the strong survive

[split night]

this apply that there is a Roaring Nolan AU

[slim belfry]

screw it poly everyone

[full jackal]

based as fuck

[slim belfry]

insert queen and sovereigns image

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296377212939010050/1500655888086863893/confession.gif

[young dock]

We got the undead to wipe out, aint no time for love 😭

[slim belfry]

look I'm just sayin' I know what the people want

[full jackal]

CT ^^^

[clear scaffold]

everyone finds love but the player

[split night]

i don't mind kissing Tasim, chat

[slim belfry]

empty vessel destined to find no love

[full jackal]

i would agree if not for what happened in apotheosis

[distant fern]

Where is this banger from

[clear scaffold]

listen if there's a dialogue where i can profess my love for sovereign two... i'll do it xD

[distant fern]

This gonna be my new favorite gif until tomorrow

[rustic nexus]

the player may not find love, but they do find friendship with the seaskipper captain

[split night]

emerald made it

[rustic nexus]

[full jackal]

why is it always two though T_T

[split night]

lexnt, please give us a love interest

[drifting aurora]

ive been trying to find a good way to do it for a while but other things keep getting in the way

like the problem is that cutscene goes REALLY hard into the elements

[limber swan]

why does the player need a love interest?

[drifting aurora]

replacing the word element in dark element just makes the scene weird and like. out of place

[rustic nexus]

honestly I imagine that scene being an introduction to the weave

if it was to be remade

[full jackal]

better question why not

[split night]

every fantasy main character need one

[drifting aurora]

like ueah heres the 5 elements. Anyway that doesnt matter heres dark influence

[young dock]

On God

[clear scaffold]

every friend of ours finds love

[split night]

human when CT introduce a character with an actual curve

[frozen turtle]

Lucio is in tunnel trouble I think?

[clear scaffold]

maxie got married... and we didn't even get to go to the wedding

[drifting aurora]

so it really is more than just a one line dialogue change

[slim belfry]

oh right the fact that there's a dang magic visual to show them

[clear scaffold]

linton

[drifting aurora]

yeap

[frozen turtle]

Linton Lucio same person

[split night]

Linton is in two quest unironically

😭

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/usher-there-goes-my-baby-music-video-babygirl-mv-gif-2331078028703401308

[frozen turtle]

both irrelevant

[drifting aurora]

its been on my mind for a while but i just havent been able to do it

[full jackal]

y’all are weird like I thought i was insane for liking majin but apparently that is tame compared to what peopel say about two

[clear scaffold]

they could of made linton lucio

[drifting aurora]

3!

[drifting aurora]

no

lucio and linton fit different character archetypes in my mind

[split night]

hwat, the miner one, the assasination one
is the third one Queen's recruit

[drifting aurora]

they are similar but they are distinct

[frozen turtle]

Fair enough, I hadn’t really looked into dialogue that much since I first played it

[drifting aurora]

yes

[split night]

right

[full jackal]

lucio is more on the cocky side i imagine and linton is more reckless

[clear scaffold]

eh fair i always thought tunnel trouble linton was similar to lucio

[split night]

Linton is more of an explosive guy while Lucio is just reckless cocky

[frozen turtle]

I only got them confused cuz they are both irrelevant so it’s hard to remember them that well

[limber swan]

yeah and we travel around the world way too much to find something like that

[split night]

I mean, Linton really like explosives, that is one thing notable about him

xd

[drifting aurora]

also i wanted linton in queens recruit when i was properly characterizing him in tunnel trouble a while back

[neat oriole]

d'you like guys

[frozen turtle]

And Lucio likes breaking through walls

[clear scaffold]

so obviously date seaskipper

[hybrid gazelle]

Linton...

[frozen turtle]

Very similar love to break stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

My chud hamster son...

[split night]

i'm panromantic, i'm like, into anyone with an attractive personality

[hybrid gazelle]

lexnt please do not make him die like hamster

I would be very sad

[drifting aurora]

believe me when i say lucio has enough to stand as his own character. he just needs more stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

also SE is like

[limber swan]

could just change it to not include the elements either

[hybrid gazelle]

FAR ABOVE Linton pay grade 😭

[split night]

can we have a fourth quest where Linton explode the quartz mech in llevigar

[full jackal]

i mean maybe we could remeet aledar in the passage

[frozen turtle]

Main issue with some chatacters is they just don’t get a lot of screen time basically

[hybrid gazelle]

he is just silly guy

[split night]

I don't think Linton is even qualified for SE 😭

[drifting aurora]

this is a more major dialogue tweak and still requires editing the cutscene (which is the bigger complication)

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Aledar know him well

[full jackal]

the passage is kinda irrelevant so why not add him

[hybrid gazelle]

and his ass would not get Linton in SE expendition LOL

[split night]

I think Admiral Aegis personally picked the people coming into that quest

[drifting aurora]

not impossible to do, its going to happen when i have time, etc etc etc

[hybrid gazelle]

Also Lexnt

have you see general Bastion yet

[drifting aurora]

i did

[hybrid gazelle]

I gonna finalize his design later

when I done with art fight

I planning to draw General Eveni and the new Troms general

[drifting aurora]

shocking: limited ct work time is limited

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure General eveni die right?

[limber swan]

Eveni is not dead

they did not say he is dead

they are literally mentioned once

[drifting aurora]

i would think it should be obvious we're setting up characters to be more present in the future

[limber swan]

see I knew it

too bad trashie can't see what I'm saying

[hybrid gazelle]

I just gonna make new Troms general just in case general Eveni die

but if they are not, then that would be cool

[limber swan]

btw

[limber swan]

btw what are Eveni's pronouns

[drifting aurora]

id need to look back at that dialogue but i thought it implied eveni got incinerated by the new sun

[hybrid gazelle]

Not really?

I think the reaosn I think they die is because you mention that

[rustic nexus]

I can't wait for general graken to appear in the dern expansion with all branches of the wynn army to help us kill orphion and saphanis

[neat oriole]

if wynn army struggles against anni

[drifting aurora]

can you get the lines directly before

its something like. aegis, takan, eveni were fighting together on the front lines

[drifting aurora]

and then the new sun happens

and aegis gets takan behind cover, but does not mention eveni

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but it not explicted clear that Eveni involve in the casuality

but yeah I can see where you going

[limber swan]

it just says Aegis takes Takan behind cover

[hybrid gazelle]

that why I was like

hey Eveni might be fuckin dead

rip Eveni

[limber swan]

damn

[drifting aurora]

Its The New Sun

[hybrid gazelle]

now I have to think of new name for Troms general

[limber swan]

I kinda was interested in seeing Eveni in a siege of troms quest or smth

[rustic nexus]

the sun was shot down though

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

[rustic nexus]

so it didn't kill anyone

[hybrid gazelle]

it did not

it exploded 😭

[limber swan]

umm

no

it killed a ton of soldiers

[drifting aurora]

it got shot down after killing people

but before it could kill everyone

[hybrid gazelle]

oh then nvm

[rustic nexus]

ah

[hybrid gazelle]

amazing

[rustic nexus]

has any player actually died to the sun's projectiles 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I expand the timeline to include general eveni in Wartorn Project

[drifting aurora]

i cant believe bob soloed anni....

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob was him

[limber swan]

umm Aegis said Bob soloed Anni nearly a century before the army fought it

[split night]

Every time we mention Bob soloed Anni I just imagine if Bob walk int othe portal he would be like Omniman walk into the Flaxan dimension

[frozen turtle]

Yeah and I get that it’s understandable . I think cuz characters are being set up for more it’s some characters are just in this weird spot which is like fine, but still something that can feel weird

[split night]

"Wynn isn't your to conquer..."

[limber swan]

Bob probably could have taken down the queen ngl

[split night]

fuck yes 😭

[limber swan]

bro was a god basically

[split night]

Bob definitely can

[hybrid gazelle]

it would be so funny if Bob been killing omega threat and shit

but too anti social to involve in poltiic

[limber swan]

lol imagine an AU where Bob never goes to Dern

he would still be alive

[hybrid gazelle]

like i just imagine when the colonies starting up alliance, Bob just stand by in the corner and clapping his hands

[full jackal]

also somerhing cool i noticed is that devils are only in wynn whenever there is a big amount of corruption so devils are linked with war

[drifting aurora]

i avoid powerscaling talk in all cases Except bob. that man was Strong

[split night]

-# wynnswap

[young dock]

World where Bob wipes out fort torran

[full jackal]

and we also see devils in the realm of war in wtp

[hybrid gazelle]

would Bob be good at politic at all?

[frozen turtle]

Sea skipper solos bob

[hybrid gazelle]

I cant imagine he is consider he barely mention in it

[young dock]

Hell no

Most people aren’t

[hybrid gazelle]

but then again politic in Wynn rarely ever brought up

[young dock]

Bob is no exception

[limber swan]

I mean it wouldn't really be like Wynnswap if I did it

[hybrid gazelle]

That man probably taught 0 social skill beside the baisc before his mom fucking died

[split night]

do Ragni citizen pay taxes

[rustic nexus]

if it was rumored at all that it was bob that attacked, I think the entire army would be mobilizing

[hybrid gazelle]

literally most of his childhood is just him working

[limber swan]

I would have him be a recurring character though

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

like

if you live somewhere owned by other people

you gotta pay tax in one way

either it straight up money or resources

[full jackal]

i actually imagine bob as very socially awkward except for like when writing to his friends

[hybrid gazelle]

nobody gonna let you live for free

Also sone

have you read my timeline on wartorn project

[frozen turtle]

Maybe the real tax is being forced to join the military

[hybrid gazelle]

That likely it too

[rustic nexus]

maybe for like troms

[young dock]

Still diffs

[hybrid gazelle]

nah the thing is

everywhere in Wynn

100% have people getting drafted

there no way denying it

people 100% getting drafted in Wynn whatever they like or not

[limber swan]

don't they train literal toddlers to kill corrupteds?

[split night]

hey guys how long would wynn military last if Bob got corrupted

[frozen turtle]

How much of the military are Fruma recruits

[hybrid gazelle]

as much as morbid it is

we dont get the number

but it cant weight the native lives LOL

so it probably like

30% or somethign

[frozen turtle]

Like more percent but considering like

[hybrid gazelle]

there no fucking way that 50% of Wynn millitary made up of fruman outcast

[frozen turtle]

What was it 8 recruits in one day

[limber swan]

I swear I heard this somewhere on the wiki

[hybrid gazelle]

unless Fruma just produce them like fucking paper

[rustic nexus]

waters of the past secret discovery

[frozen turtle]

I could believe that as fruma recruits kept coming that less Wynn people were drafted

It’s hard to tell cause population is weird

In Wynn

[split night]

I thought this was mention in a lot of places in the game
like
Children learnt to kill before they can even talk being mentioned somewhere

[full jackal]

wynn must have conscription levels that put even korea to shame

[hybrid gazelle]

peopel will get draft either way people die in Wynn everyday from constant war

it even more so that undead numbers keep rising eveyr years

so no matter what

even with fruma recruits

wynn natives will contineu to get drafted becaues of constant demand

[frozen turtle]

Fruma should’ve just given Wynn guns

[hybrid gazelle]

and Fruma surely cant send recurits to keep up with the demand because again these are prisoners, they dont produce that on demand unless Fruma just have that much criminals

Wynn likely also has guns

but it just

Wynn made in those time

where people though
medival = no guns

[young dock]

The weapons factory sniper diffs annihilation btw

[frozen turtle]

We don’t see y guns therefore no guns

[hybrid gazelle]

we do

Bandits do ahve gun

[frozen turtle]

Bandits where

[hybrid gazelle]

and I prety sure Alekin do have gun holsted somewhere int he house

Bandit in scandel sand

that one bank robbing quest

Wynn likely just has early fire arms

so they would have blunderbuss

[frozen turtle]

Wynn is such an unamerican game not even using guns

To kill corrupted

[hybrid gazelle]

I homebrew some of them into wartorn project

[split night]

I think Fruma politics is gonna be in heat after the queen's death but like
i think they will share their military technology to wynn in the upcoming time

[hybrid gazelle]

but shit will get rewrite tho

originally guns suppose to be new thing when gavel got involve

but after some new idea i have

[split night]

can we have a gun called rudebuster

[hybrid gazelle]

I made it that Wynn always has a gun sometime before Gavel

Because villagers have 0 reason to use guns because

they have wands

like

why would you use gun when funny stick throw out fire ball

[frozen turtle]

AK-47 vs Bakal who would win

[hybrid gazelle]

but later on technology would crossover and merge

[split night]

in my defend, bullet is faster than fireball

[hybrid gazelle]

where guns being a focus become a thing

[hybrid gazelle]

what I am saying is

there is no incentive for them to invent fire arms

because their enemies are like what

Orcs?

gerts?

[frozen turtle]

Their enemies are people will a different skin colour

[split night]

😭

yes i agree with that

[hybrid gazelle]

also their tech tree also take different direction anyway

so if they want to improve their tech

they would go to improve wands and stuff

rather than invent guns

[split night]

if Quartz get a rework
i want quart grenade

[rustic nexus]

wasn't there something about quartz arrows in the anni dialogue

[nocturne nimbus]

Wynn obviously does not use guns on any larger scale

[hybrid gazelle]

I already made quartz grenade wait

[frozen turtle]

Wynn should

[nocturne nimbus]

It’s mentioned that Rymek Luke’s weapon is crazy and unknown

[frozen turtle]

we already got bomber birds we need more guns

[hybrid gazelle]

bandits in scandel sand got guns

I though Rymek Luke's gun was gourndbreaking

because it's a revolver

a firearm that do not take ages to fire another round

because the bullets already load into chamber

[nocturne nimbus]

The guards are still using bows

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but bandits in scandel sand use blunderbuss

[nocturne nimbus]

They should probably upgrade to crossbows first before considering guns

[split night]

when was tank invented btw

[hybrid gazelle]

definitely not in medival time

[split night]

i kinda want to see whether or not if it's possible for wynn to have tanks

[hybrid gazelle]

that I can say

[nocturne nimbus]

World War 1

[rustic nexus]

weren't tanks like, a ww1 thing

yea

[slim belfry]

probably yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

I take lack of crossbow and fire arms as Wynn being outdated in term of development

so I kinda disregard lack of gun presence

[rustic nexus]

an early predecessor maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

and just add them in wartorn project

[nocturne nimbus]

There’s the Da Vinci tank

That’s still a bit more advanced than Wynn tech level though I’d say

[hybrid gazelle]

golems in my take fill the role that a tank would LOL

[split night]

i mean

like

do the Mech in that one llevigar quest count

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure

I guess

[split night]

the giant mech that is make of quartz

[hybrid gazelle]

like sure

[split night]

huh

this is like, having a tank built out of gunpowder layered between the metals

[rustic nexus]

that is basically gavel's equivalent of rymek luke's revolver

[hybrid gazelle]

god I need to rewrite a lot of these

okay now i found grenade

[rustic nexus]

also I swear wynn has crossbows

like

[hybrid gazelle]

it probably from updated area

but IDK

[rustic nexus]

iirc on the nivla watchtowers

[hybrid gazelle]

they SHOULD has crossbow

[rustic nexus]

or the ult discovery tower

[hybrid gazelle]

theren o fucking way tech been stagnate for 1000 years

[rustic nexus]

I think I remember a built crossbow

[frozen turtle]

i think wynns ranged tech progression should be like
simple bow --> revolver

[hybrid gazelle]

I ant to have repeater being inveted by Troms

and short crossbows being commonly use it Rymek

Rymek is diffuclt for me to deisgn its thematic cause

[frozen turtle]

there are crossbows tho

[hybrid gazelle]

imagine trying to do wild west without gun LOL

[frozen turtle]

there is also a "Ancient Battle Crossbow" so

they've surely been around for a while right and not just a random bow name

[rustic nexus]

yeah wynn probably has crossbows

look at that

[hybrid gazelle]

Sone

I think that a balista

but yeah

I did not know that suppose to be balista 😭

[rustic nexus]

they have the knowledge on how to make one

surely

they just need to shrink that design

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I think

[rustic nexus]

besides it's not that hard

[fresh orchid]

I'd note that wynn is not industrialized like, at all. Gavel has some industry and advanced technology (see places like the industrial meatfarm in the Gert quests), but Corkus and Fruma are really the places that have a lot of mass production.

Which makes sense, Gavel heavily relies on magic as opposed to technology, a lot of their technology is more magical as well, they've got quartz, gylia meteors, all sorts of magical relics laying about. They utilize that. And Wynn can't really industrialize when everything is focused on the corruption war, so they mass-import goods from Gavel (and Corkus, to a lesser extent) using locally excavated emeralds as payment.

So I wouldn't expect Wynn to have many guns at all. But I do remember there's mentions of artillery when Aegis talks about Annihilation, and I remember the battlegrounds near Detlas, so I think Wynn's got siege engines, and probably cannons.

[split night]

I thought crossbows were invented first before ballista

[rustic nexus]

industrial meat farm 😭

that shit was removed

[fresh orchid]

Oh, was it? It's been a while since I replayed those quests.

[rustic nexus]

yep

[nocturne nimbus]

cannons are actually a bit of a strange point but yeah wynn is not very technically advanced

[hybrid gazelle]

I eman yeah ofc I would nott expect wynn to have that many guns

I Just expect them to have GUNS

not many guns

but you know

guns

[fresh orchid]

But yeah, there's a few discoveries I recall around Gavel, like the one in the Llevigar plains that shows the irrigation mechanism, Llevigar obviously has quartz as an easily exploitable magical material, elves and villagers are both magically adept, Dwarves are the closest to industrial. So it makes sense for them to exploit that instead of industrialization.

[hybrid gazelle]

also guns being focus would be so intresting

[rustic nexus]

I can imagine wynn having flintlocks

or barrel-loaded guns

but that's it

[fresh orchid]

I imagine that for Wynn in general, easier to import it than to build it locally, for most things. So probably Corkus-style guns, given how Fruma's not gonna let anything out.

[hybrid gazelle]

Corkus ass not selling anything to outsiders that is a weapoin 😭

at best they do is like cookie dispenser

[fresh orchid]

I mean, the whole point of the Factory was to produce enough mechs to turn the tides of the Corruption war, getting Corkus acknowledged as a province, right?

[rustic nexus]

or a bajillion drills designed for normal materials

and not uh

magic ice

dragon bone

loose rubble

[fresh orchid]

Or sprinkler systems for farms.

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure that their og plan until it shut down

consider how Antikythera have control of the mechs

it very likely that the plan that they have

is to have mech armys sold to outsider BUT

still have the mech loyal to Corkus through the core AI which is Antikythera

so they would have run the risk of outsider using mech against them or reverse engineer

if they simply have the mech always monitor through Antikythera

[fresh orchid]

Who knows what Cerid was trying?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK that man got like

barely any lore beisde few mention

before is up there with Nilrem

[rustic nexus]

meet potential character

[hybrid gazelle]

But like yeah

as I say before

it might be possibility

it would be one way Corkus ensure the product they sold would not be revese engineer or turn against them

constantly make other province in need of them

[slim belfry]

Cerid is still living in the world doing stuff right

[vestal rivet]

I think he was just a normal human and died of old age or something

[vestal rivet]

huh

guess he's still kicking them I thought he was just dead

[hybrid gazelle]

you underestimate wynncraft lack of awanre of actual human life spans

[vestal rivet]

they need to give him the Chujin treatment
totally

[hybrid gazelle]

and how time work

[vestal rivet]

anything related to Fruma is at least a little more consistent thankfully

[full jackal]

idk their architecture doesn’t seem tp have changed much from Akias in 300ap

[vestal rivet]

I would guess that 99% of their innovations have been in ways to kill zombies without expensive equippment or factories

the place is a constant warzone
most cities cannot avoid it

[frozen turtle]

yeah, their priority is probably weaponary over architecture

[frozen turtle]

i mean, he might be dead and thats why he wasnt there to fix it

[full jackal]

Well yes, but I sorta would expect their weaponry to have advanced more tbh

They’ve fought the corrupted for 1000 years

[buoyant lynx]

has anyone found this?

[vestal rivet]

they're under constant pressure to get stuff out the door
if it's more mechanically complex than a nerf gun then they probably didn't have the time

[full jackal]

I mean armor has canonically advanced

[mossy badge]

Nah bro not a single soul

[buoyant lynx]

having all runes does this

[mossy badge]

Out of the thousand ppl who done the raid

[full jackal]

I guess their strategy is to uh…

Not give anyone any training at all

Considering what they do with the Fruma recruits

[vestal rivet]

in all seriousness practically everyone has already seen this
and no, bringing all runes doesn't open it (yet)

[full jackal]

Rush out manpower hoi4 style

[full jackal]

I haven’t

[vestal rivet]

it's at the bottom of a stairwell right by the WTP entrance

[full jackal]

I’ve done WTP once tbh

I wanted to do it more but then my laptop broke

[distant fern]

Wynn players try not to passive aggresive challenge (impossible)

I have also not seen it before.

[full jackal]

Source: The Ice Barrows quest

When you go to past Nesaak they say your armor looks way more advanced

But like… how though

Like at that level armor is made of… gold

[vestal rivet]

they got better at smithing ig
layered armor or something
maybe with optimized coverage

[full jackal]

Which by the way gold is a terrible armor material because it is too soft

[vestal rivet]

made weapons and armor more durable and cheap to arm more people and reduce the need for repairs

[full jackal]

And way too expensive too

[vestal rivet]

I doubt it's gold in canon

[full jackal]

True ig

[vestal rivet]

old MC holdover

[full jackal]

But like still though how the fuck do they make entire armor sets out of diamond

[vestal rivet]

if they were to replace it with like brass or bronze I don't think anyone would mind

[full jackal]

Like I get it’s outdated but even still…

[vestal rivet]

exactly
you don't

[frozen turtle]

basically you get like a chestplate mold, fill it with diamonds then fill it with like resin or smth and let it sit

and then take the mold off

[full jackal]

WHY would they do that

[frozen turtle]

diamond is like hardness material or smth like that totally

[full jackal]

Like diamond is brittle

It’s hard but brittle

[split night]

diamond is... crunchy

[frozen turtle]

the resin cancels out the brittle

[split night]

it's durable as in cutting but like
a diamond armor??

[frozen turtle]

or maybe its just lik

[full jackal]

I guess??????

[frozen turtle]

e

[split night]

your armor won't last with a hammer hit

[frozen turtle]

iron armour bedazzled with diamonds

[split night]

that is any armor really

xd

[full jackal]

Also why don’t they rename iron armor to steel armor

[split night]

now this is just for style and i cna respect that

[vestal rivet]

diamond burns before it melts so you can forget casting

nature of being carbon-based

[full jackal]

Like I’m pretty sure they used steel in medieval times

[frozen turtle]

reason it works cuz enemies are like "wow thats so cool" and will not hit as hard

[full jackal]

Also like why platinum

On the Mohs scale it’s a 4

Stainless steel is an 8

[whole river]

We’re going about this all wrong. The real question is whether their gold is the same as the gold in our timeline

[full jackal]

Are you suggesting

That the periodic table in Wynncraft is different from that in real life

That has pretty big implications

[vestal rivet]

ah yes the Terraria method
where an NPC casually mentions in passing that gold is stronger than iron, and doesn't know why humans seem to assume the opposite

[whole river]

Doesn’t have to be that drastic, but yes gold can be more durable in wynncraft. Hell maybe it’s a specific type of gold too

[full jackal]

I mean I sorta imagine how Wynncraft elements might work is that every element in the periodic table is like linked to an element in Wynn

[frozen turtle]

could be some sort of like, alloy of gold

[full jackal]

I guess gold and platinum and diamond just form more in wynn

[vestal rivet]

could be that too

[split night]

the fucking physic in here allow for fucking magic, what do you think?

[frozen turtle]

and maybe diamonds in this world are a metal not a crystal/carbon

[whole river]

Yeah magic kinda throws all “realism” science to the wayside

[slim belfry]

almost but not quite

[frozen turtle]

Chromium, Manganese, Iron, Diamond, Cobalt, Nickel

[slim belfry]

remember that both electricity and electromagic coexist

[split night]

i mean what's the different between witchcraft and chemist really

[whole river]

That doesn’t necessarily contradict the fact that it can be different from our world

[full jackal]

Idk I mean I always assumed the magic was just like a 5th force

So like magic is perfectly scientific in Wynncraft

Just like gravity and shit

[slim belfry]

true we don't know the specifics for wynn electricity

[whole river]

It’s a lazy reasoning but I don’t think it’s like, implausible

There’s some funky reality warping shit as is in wynncraft

[full jackal]

Why do people in magical settings always differentiate magic from science anyways, to them it should be completely normal

[split night]

we literally can't look into anything smaller than 1/16 of a meter so we really can't know that

[frozen turtle]

maybe they believe a pixel is an atom or a molecule

[split night]

ah we touch philosophy

[full jackal]

I mean I guess they would regard it as the most powerful force

[frozen turtle]

do electrons orbit in a curved way around an atom or is it squares like

[full jackal]

Because it can do the most

[split night]

there's that one saying that goes like "Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from magic"

[full jackal]

Yea, to them our tech would pretty much be their world’s view of what is “magic”

[frozen turtle]

the magic is weird too

[split night]

but like, magic and mana is weird shit because people can manipulate them
like, if we assume that it's a 5th force then like...?
what? we can't control the 4 other but this one can?

[frozen turtle]

cause there is the elemental magic that, kinda fits the elements ig

and mana

[split night]

it's a weird assumption

[frozen turtle]

also wdym 5th force

[split night]

im referring to the guy statement just above this conversation

[frozen turtle]

like push, pull that typa thing

or

oh like

[full jackal]

I mean, we build massive boxes that take in invisible charges and compute billions of equations per second and spit out invisible charges that light up other black boxes

[split night]

Strong, weak, gravity, electromagnetism

[frozen turtle]

fundamental forces maybe

yeah fundamental

[full jackal]

That to any less technologically advanced civilization

Is magic

[slim belfry]

it's funny yeah we know more about our microscopic scale than wynn people do

[split night]

can we really do science in Wynn when we can't even look into anything smaller than a bug

[frozen turtle]

are electron orbials square shaped?

in wynn

[full jackal]

I don’t think they meant us to think too hard about it

Magic is so weird

[frozen turtle]

electrons wouldnt even have the same behaviour so yk, who knows if that would make gold durable 10000%

[full jackal]

Like in any magical setting you either have to do an inhuman amount of work to make it make it scientific

[split night]

then don't apply our physic to this world physic
since appearantly every material can be a focus to use magic
but there are some that are far better help us doing it than other like comparing wood to platinum

[full jackal]

or you just say: “magic is a mystical force of nature” and leave it at that

[full jackal]

WAIT I GET IT NOW

The reason why they use impractical materials for armor

Is because it channels magic to protect it better

[split night]

we know that magic is in everything inside the Physical plane, it's kind of part of their composition

[full jackal]

Maybe idk

[frozen turtle]

science

[full jackal]

Saiens

[split night]

sansence

[frozen turtle]

maybe gold has more magic in it so its denser and less breakable idk

its magic

we can say whatever we want

[split night]

there are rules to it at least

[full jackal]

To some people magic is their friend

[frozen turtle]

a few rules

[split night]

whatever "elements" are in the game

[full jackal]

You could say that since magic is part of their being

They have a friend inside them

That was terrible I’m sorry

[frozen turtle]

the magic "elements" are weird

[split night]

we can note what magic really is but that's not necessary because i think Trashie have a doc somewhere talking about this

[frozen turtle]

doesnt really matter what they are

the elements are also like concepts is another thing

kinda

[full jackal]

Yea its in the forums

Highly recommend

Trashie is actually insanely talented ngl

[mossy badge]

Have a link?

I can't believe some1 can make sense of this magic "system" lol

[split night]

Trashie probably already did

and then make a doc of it xd

[mossy badge]

_ _

[frozen turtle]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/wynncrafts-magic-system-2-0-fan-made.320523/

?

[hybrid gazelle]

god I need to remember to remake this

[split night]

hi trashie

we were just talking about you

[mossy badge]

Ye this seems pretty ass + AU or smth

[frozen turtle]

says void isnt a magic, invalid fanmade system 120%

[hybrid gazelle]

god I remember how i have to revisit grookwart again and again for iinfo LOL

[split night]

this is a behaivor i expect from a younger you

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

back then concept of treating magic like fabric is not really there in Wynncraft LOL

and thing are just scatter throughout

that I have to pick up and try to organize everything

[frozen turtle]

grookwarts is only canon source for magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Cosmic magic definitely was confusing back then

[mossy badge]

How old is grookwarts btw?

[hybrid gazelle]

but with Fruma it's more clear that it's its own magic category

[frozen turtle]

Cosmic magic is still confusing now

less confusing

[hybrid gazelle]

if I were to make magic system now

[frozen turtle]

but still confusing

[hybrid gazelle]

it would be like this
Major Element -
Earth Fire Water Air Thunder

Minor Element -
Ice, Electromagic, fleshcrafting, Blood

Concept magic -
Cosmic, Time, Soul

??? -
Light, Dark, Corruption

I probably introduce the gray area

[split night]

i mean even watching what Majin can do with his cosmic magic thing, i still don't even know what it is

[hybrid gazelle]

the none align magic

because IDK where to put Tasim's magical innate

it less of element but more of magical empowerment

I guess it can go into water

since water is more about magic in its purity

[frozen turtle]

i mean we also know that manaweavers are a thing or at least have a name

[hybrid gazelle]

Thing definietely could be explain better

[slim belfry]

I think influences are just that
influences

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but influence is a dumb fucking name

so I just name them ???

[frozen turtle]

tasim might be fire too, idk i remember fire also having some sort of boosting aspect from grookwarts

[slim belfry]

flavours

dark flavored water

[hybrid gazelle]

like I Have this graph drawn

[frozen turtle]

is there any other subtypes

[hybrid gazelle]

Fleshcrafting look so shit

oh well

well work on it later down the line

working on wartorn anyway

[split night]

I love that you make the paper rustic-cy just for the aesthetic

[frozen turtle]

is molding matter a subtype

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that just manipulation of element as a whole LOL

[frozen turtle]

or like all yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

that can go to general elemental magic

I mean I guess you could say it's extreme use of earth magic

because I dont think it ever mention Soosu can just

mold air does she

or she can

IDFK

[frozen turtle]

i mena air is matter

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess yeah

[frozen turtle]

can she also control energy

i mean she has to to an extent ig

[hybrid gazelle]

she probably can

[frozen turtle]

fire is the only one which maybe not

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah better magic system down the line

3.0

[frozen turtle]

cuz fire is a reaction

[hybrid gazelle]

I proably add my OC in because

it more entertainning that way

[frozen turtle]

you should also add void magic to start arguments

[hybrid gazelle]

no

this is just for the purpose of making magic system more easier to digest

and help my friend with making their wynn OCs

[split night]

null magic??

nothingness magic

what does it even do xd

[frozen turtle]

the debate of if the void islands have their own magic cuz they look funny

[mossy badge]

Canonically "void" magic is just EWA