📚lore_discussion

[regal spire]

Mix an embryonic fetus with a caterpillar

[void swift]

i kinda got spoiled that we’ll see gateway island in fantastic voyage but playing with shaders and entering the cave and then seeing the MASSIVE GLOWING PURPLE DERN PORTAL was so fucking crazy

[regal spire]

Ana has her old form referenced, with her old shell spliced in there

[whole river]

https://tenor.com/view/geto-suguru-worm-mommy-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16233696153293789579

[void swift]

i legit didnt expect this at ALL

like shit was so hyped

[signal bough]

im sorry bro... that wasn't dern...

[sick quest]

I hope when the dern update comes out we get full access to gateway island

[slender copper]

-# oh

[regal spire]

3 lil Ana eyes and it’d be perfect

[void swift]

IDC ITS STILL DERN RELATED

[sick quest]

Thru the gateway island portal it is?

[signal bough]

it isn't

[regal spire]

Oh, yeah, anyone hyped about ternaves prison?

[sick quest]

Wait wut

[void swift]

the glimpses of the silent expanse is legit so exciting

[ashen salmon]

the what

[regal spire]

I shouldn’t have said that, there’s nothing about Ternaves’s prison

[warm flicker]

man, realm of war is so cool from what little we saw. It reminded me of that nuclear explosion scene from Terminator 2, after the bombs explode but before the dust settles

[signal bough]

so if you go into that canyon, and look up, there are trees with dark wood and grey leaves

[regal spire]

I just wanted to talk about what could be in there

[void swift]

ever since the little tease in that one cinfras teleportation quest

fallen delivery i think

that shit made me jump

[sick quest]

Inside the portal with the eye?

That you get kicked out of

[signal bough]

yep

[sick quest]

By a floating eye?

[signal bough]

plus, the Eye is in the SE

[warm flicker]

elite foreshadowing

[regal spire]

Wouldn’t it be so funny if right as you popped in there, an omnispective wanderer turns its head, and starts sprinting at you

[sick quest]

I mean Saphanis in general has a lil bit of an eye motif going on

[ember coyote]

waw detlas armor merchant

[ashen salmon]

did ct make the omnispective wanderer killable

[void swift]

😭😭

[regal spire]

They did

It’s quite easy, actually

[ashen salmon]

cause like i managed to slime one the other day

[regal spire]

It was always killable though

[void swift]

its the fact that ive already done a full playthrough like ever since the silent expanse came out but i remembered none of it

[ashen salmon]

but like did it become easier

[void swift]

so like rn im legit reexperiencing everything and its so fun

[warm flicker]

everything from the abandoned mines SD to Slykaar's quest to that one part of Garwick's teleportation sequence and finally Gateway Island all did so much to give glimpses into a terrifying land

[void swift]

im lowk a ragni soldier

[regal spire]

Wynns at its best when you don’t know anything

[void swift]

YEA THIS THE FIRST TIME IM SO INVESTED IN THE STORY

[void swift]

THE ABANDONED MINES SECRET DISCOVERY IS SO COOL OMG

[ashen salmon]

fruma got me hyped

[void swift]

like

[sick quest]

Now that anathema is dead the wastelands update rly should allow us to go thru the portal/make annihilation easily accessible

[warm flicker]

you will love SE when u get to that level

[void swift]

idk what it is but im lowk more hyped about the secret expanse than fruma

its such a mysterious olace

[whole river]

The beginning of the game is such a well needed revamp

[sick quest]

Dude unlocking the SE hits differentttt

[regal spire]

Is the abandoned mines SD still broken?

[void swift]

is it?

[regal spire]

The minecart keeps stopping and exploding 😭

[sick quest]

Its rly buggy

[regal spire]

Can’t rely on MC for shit fr

[warm flicker]

my first time unlocking SE turned me into an Olmic historian, so be careful it might give u a niche interest

[mystic remnant]

Both orphion and saphanis left with the milk but their chud baby survived

[sick quest]

You just gotta lowkey ignore the minecart and follow the tracks to the right place

[void swift]

im prob gonna get to it soon but i wont prob be as hyped cuz my 2019 mage playthrough is already in lutho 😭

but the foreshadowings are legit so fucking cool

like i dont think i ever got into the lore until now

[restive yacht]

Has Frumian been figured out yet

[sick quest]

Dude im legit so confused by how ppl got into wynncraft without being rly into the lore

[ashen salmon]

i think so

[sick quest]

Like the whole appeal is quests innit

[restive yacht]

It's a minecraft server

[void swift]

back then i kinda rushed through it and found it a bit boring

but they reworked a lotta stuff and its sm more fun now

[restive yacht]

As long as there's cool content to be played, there will be someone playing it different from you

[sick quest]

Yeah but like if ur going for minigames or shit like that why not just go to hypixel

[void swift]

• voices of wynn adds to it

[sick quest]

Fair fair

[void swift]

whether the voices r good or bad its still a type of immersion

[restive yacht]

Mounts are one of a kind, raids are 1 of a kind

[mystic remnant]

I’m ngl man as much as people dog on endgame content and balance issues the game and combat itself is incredibly fun to just experience

[restive yacht]

There's a lot of people that skip their first run

[void swift]

one of my friends js playing it for the sake of playing it like js grinding through the caves 😭

[mystic remnant]

Like even back when there were only four spells and limited options for everything, the combat itself is engaging

[restive yacht]

They go: power leveling, do essential questlines, play with guilds

Yes

Ig this all relates to the game being made for minecraft

[void swift]

there needs to be a wynn reborn cuz some stuff is so not it

i despise troms and its jungle sm

cuz its such a nothing burger

small lore but not even 1 secret discovery

[ember coyote]

nahhh we need a gavel reborn more

[restive yacht]

Yea we do

[void swift]

• confusing and annoying layout

[mystic remnant]

Gavel reborn reborn

[void swift]

js jungles and nothing

[void swift]

wdym slykaar quest

where it mentions the dern material?

[restive yacht]

Man I can understand so much the frustration of having quests work for rpg enthusiasts and mmo grinders

The duality is insane

[void swift]

i was lowk hyped at that too

[regal spire]

I really like that Wynn incorporates mini games and puzzles into its design. It’s very unique, and no other MMO does something like this

[void swift]

ALSO THE GROOKWARTS EASTER EGG

I LOVE THAT ONE SM

[warm flicker]

its implied his powers are tied to something in SE

[regal spire]

I wish there were more BotW shrine type locations in the game, ngl

[restive yacht]

If i had to describe Afelis's journey, I'd have 2 alter egos lmfao

[void swift]

IT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE

[void swift]

ohhh

[sick quest]

Saphanis’s trump card: the slime dimension

[regal spire]

Slykaar is clearly the 2nd sovereign to Saphanis

Only they’re completely and utterly garbage

[sick quest]

You mean scion?

[regal spire]

Yeah, that

Scion, peon, sovereign, acolyte, follower, whatever

[void swift]

i dont think so

[sick quest]

Scion is the magical servant of a realm beast; sovereign is a position in the fruman government

[warm flicker]

spoilers in case u havent gotten there yet: ||slykaar's powers are extremely similar to the toxic wastes in the SE, as can be seen by the prevalence of slimes in both the toxic wastes and in slykaar's work||

[void swift]

i do remember the toxis wastes

oooo thats cool

[signal bough]

there's some remaining normal vegetation in the SE that looks like that

[sick quest]

Honestly the PC might just be a scion of the weave/the physical plane

[void swift]

ooooo

[sick quest]

Because the physical plane does have its own magic/its own natural power

[void swift]

is this saphanis character like from fruma or something

[ashen salmon]

yeah

or

[void swift]

oh

[signal bough]

wynncraft satan

[mystic remnant]

The name is revealed there

[sick quest]

OH GET OUT OF THIS CHAT

[ashen salmon]

saphanis is dern beast

[regal spire]

The toxic wastes are tied to the beast that morphed with the land, though. It’s implied that the beast that ended up fusing with the land was the slimer

[void swift]

STOP

[mystic remnant]

The slime time

[sick quest]

GET OUT OF THIS CHAT TO AVOID SPOILERS

[void swift]

IM GETTING SOOILED

[slender copper]

...is there a secret expanse coming up or do you mean the silent expanse?

[void swift]

HELP

[sick quest]

SHOO

GET OUTTA HERE

[void swift]

just the silent expanse

i played it before but like

[limber swan]

ITS BEEN A FUCKING MONTH

CALM DOWN

[sick quest]

YEAH IK

[regal spire]

You guys don’t know about the silly expanse? It’s a block over from the silent one

[slender copper]

THIS PLACE IS FULL OF SPOILERS, GET OUT!!!

[sick quest]

BUT THIS GUY HASNT PLAYED

[void swift]

YALL CALM DOWN DONT SPOIL ME

[ashen salmon]

ooooooh spoooooky name

[void swift]

WAIT LIKE A WEEK IM GETTING THERE

[sick quest]

DUDE THIS CHAT IS SPOILER HEAVY

[ashen salmon]

ooooooooooh

[limber swan]

THATS NOT MY FUCKING FAULT

[void swift]

I NEED LIKE

[sick quest]

GO TO LITERALLY ANY OTHER CHANNEL

[void swift]

10 LEVELS MORE

[sick quest]

IK IM NOT TALKING TO U IM TALKING TO THIS GUY

[void swift]

im really getting into now and i love the vibe of the silent expanse sm

[sick quest]

PANDORA YOU WILL RECEIVE MAJOR SPOILERS IF YOU CONTINUE IN THIS CHAT

[void swift]

BUT I WANNA TALK ABOUT LORE

[limber swan]

no but like how tf do you not have a lvl 120 class a month after fruma comes out

[sick quest]

TALK ABT LORE AFTER UR CAUGHT UP ON UR QUESTS

[void swift]

I WANNA TALK ABOUT DERN AND COOL STUFF

[narrow kestrel]

Tasim is the Beast of War

[limber swan]

I did that shit in a week ffs

[narrow kestrel]

[void swift]

I KNOW UR LYING

[ashen salmon]

waluigi dies in apotheosis

[limber swan]

I'm not

[sick quest]

Proceed at your own risk

[void swift]

im gone

[narrow kestrel]

Finish Ensemble Of Hope

[limber swan]

must have been cause I alr played on beta

[whole river]

Troms is probably like the most important region that isn’t updated yet

[sick quest]

I have warned you as well as i can

[slender copper]

👋

[sick quest]

Same

[whole river]

Sure ROL needs some rewriting but troms has nothing to rewrite cuz all the quests suck

[void swift]

troms and the jungle is so broing

boring

[ashen salmon]

except ariodo

ariodo the goat fr

[narrow kestrel]

Dernel Jungle is important as fuck but its like. The only placw with no secret discoveries

[void swift]

i legit told my friend we have to finish literally everything in troms cuz i dont wanna ever come back to this place ever again

boring confusing and nothing burger

[sick quest]

Given that we need to wait a while for wastelands maybe they’re planning to connect dernel and wastelands?

[narrow kestrel]

But sure!!! Lets make Gylia Plains have a set of SD + an Ultimate Discovery while we're at kt

[sick quest]

They are very much adjacent

[sick quest]

God i hate that shit

[ashen salmon]

i dont think the map is 100% canon

[void swift]

i legit thought dernal is just a random ass used to be endgame jungle

[sick quest]

The gylia plains discoveries are so random

[narrow kestrel]

The meteors are so fucking boring

[warm flicker]

we need update names that reflect on the identities of each province - gavel reborn works because of the Light and its focus on life, for Wynn we should do something like Wynn Re-armed, Corkus can be Corkus Refueled or something

[regal spire]

Which ones

[narrow kestrel]

Anything meteors related

Is so fucking lame

[regal spire]

Aw, what? The Gylia ultimate is hype

[sick quest]

CT team delete the ??? Quest and my life is yours

[narrow kestrel]

The ??? Quest tried so hard to make it cool but it just made it even more unbearable

[sick quest]

Or just remake it

[void swift]

corkus is a racist ass province

[regal spire]

??? Proceeds to have its third remake

[sick quest]

I rly like all the space teases from a lore pov but hate the in-game shit

[ashen salmon]

god gave the corkians anthro bird baddies and they turned up their noses

[sick quest]

Nah Gavel tho

[ashen salmon]

ungrateful

[void swift]

what is even dernals significance

[limber swan]

Corkus isn't even a fucking province dude

[sick quest]

Its where the olm went

[void swift]

no like the villagers r racist but they still talk to u and shit but like

[limber swan]

its legit just a huge island

[sick quest]

Bruh this is just wrong

[void swift]

corkus is kinda crazy

[sick quest]

Its a province

[void swift]

denying inventions cuz u a bird

[sick quest]

So is gavel

[narrow kestrel]

It aint

[limber swan]

Corkus doesn't even have enough regions to be a province

[regal spire]

As of now, it was a refuge for the Olm, but we don’t have enough info or updated concepts to consider a lot of Dernel rn

[signal bough]

it should have been the last redoubt of olmic civilization

[void swift]

WAIT IM BEING SPOILED BYE

[limber swan]

it doesn't have enough towns

[narrow kestrel]

Bro even Seaskipper tells us no one acknowledges it as province

😭

but they're trying!

[sick quest]

The timasca secret discovery literally ends with Markus Corkus going “here is where we will make our province”

[regal spire]

Corkus is too small

[limber swan]

and it certainly doesn't have enough content

[warm flicker]

watch as content team completely ignores the olm when they do the jungle secret discoveries

[regal spire]

How can province

[sick quest]

It does need more content

[regal spire]

We need 5 SD’s about this parrot

[limber swan]

well if they rework corkus then they better fucking make it a longer storyline like Fruma

[narrow kestrel]

Its gonna be about how the jungle fetishes make their darts from slykaar slime or some stupid shit

[limber swan]

because its like very close to fruma in size

[narrow kestrel]

[sick quest]

It needs more SDs an Ult Discovery more quests and more fruma tie ins

[limber swan]

it needs some more biomes ffs

[signal bough]

would you describe this location as 'Forsaken'?

[sick quest]

Corkus is pretty empty but thats a game design thing not a lore thing

[regal spire]

More slime lore, please, more single slime moving across the screen lore

[limber swan]

it also just needs more quests

[ashen salmon]

we need more lore about ARIODO!!!!!!!!

[limber swan]

theres like not even 10

[sick quest]

Yeah the quest amt is abyssmal

[narrow kestrel]

Corkus just has a small population

[limber swan]

we dont even know who the fukc Cerid is

[sick quest]

Also let us attend the wedding pls

[regal spire]

We’ve already got it, in the form of a talking mushroom

[sick quest]

And give my girl Ava a better story

[limber swan]

we know more about Markus Corkus than Cerid

[sick quest]

A better ending i mean

[narrow kestrel]

Corkus has like 2 quests

[ashen salmon]

we need a feathers fly rework where i can flirt with ava

[narrow kestrel]

Feathers Fly and Envoy

[limber swan]

Ava is like one of the few good things about Corkus

[regal spire]

Markus “we will build a great province” “hot air balloon” “default townsperson skin” Corkus

[warm flicker]

for all we know, Cerid is still alive. The Factory online came online like what ten years ago tops?

[sick quest]

She needs a better ending

Shes a great character

But tossing her into a tower with occasional visits is crazy

[narrow kestrel]

She will be the one to introduce T5 amps trust

[sick quest]

I will personally break her out of corkus if she asks

[regal spire]

She’s on parole rn

[limber swan]

Corkus needs to do more with the separatists

[sick quest]

Also AHC implies that the factory is still around and kicking

[whole river]

I totally forgot there was a whole nationalist plot in corkus

[limber swan]

they show up in one quest and they just go into hiding

[whole river]

It was like one quest lmfao

[regal spire]

You mean the guy that says “do you even know what you’re fighting for? Uh, yeah, checkmate dumbass”

[whole river]

Corkus reborn save us

[narrow kestrel]

its the Mixed Feelings quest i think

[ashen salmon]

the corkian govt probably trusts us enough to supervise her parole tbh

[sick quest]

I mean shes just on house arrest

[regal spire]

Mixed Feelings introduced one of the biggest losers ever

[narrow kestrel]

By corkian govt you mean maxie lmfao

[ashen salmon]

“do you even know the name of your true enem-“ bak’al

doofus

[void swift]

legit why does corkus have like

[regal spire]

The separatist that hates you so much, they decided to drug you to burn down a town

[limber swan]

No I think she's just banned from entering Corkus City and the Avos territory

[narrow kestrel]

Because rhe rest of the council hates us

[void swift]

3 quests

[sick quest]

Let us go to the wedding please

[void swift]

potential province

[sick quest]

The pres likes us

[limber swan]

not even a town

[whole river]

I still highkey want a cinfras story quest about the underground monarchist remnants trying to overthrow Gavel’s government

[void swift]

so much potential for lore and expansion but its legit js

[signal bough]

has to live in Relos 💔

[whole river]

because why do we know nothing about gavel’s government

[void swift]

mechs the envoy and the birds

and like

[regal spire]

And then proceeds to try and mog you with some kind of superior mindset, even though we’ve quite literally fought against the war of realms by then

[sick quest]

Oh yeah make relos and avos towns please

[regal spire]

Is it Relos?

[limber swan]

no

[void swift]

they gotta do a corkus rework

[ashen salmon]

no

[narrow kestrel]

No ones getting corkus reborn until we get a fruma touchup

[sick quest]

Oh wait its not even relos

[limber swan]

its the docks

[ashen salmon]

it’s the docks

[sick quest]

Yeah fuck

[narrow kestrel]

The reveal of The Queen being the beast of war was

[whole river]

Fruma does not need to be touched

[narrow kestrel]

A bit lame

[regal spire]

Can I touch fruma?

[sick quest]

Crazy

[narrow kestrel]

exposition dump through Sovereign Two was a lame way to deliver it

[void swift]

why tf two people talking the same

[warm flicker]

delete fruma it was better when it was a Ba Sing Se reference

[void swift]

legit character type interaction

[signal bough]

Mistwoods 100% do

[sick quest]

SHOO

[limber swan]

FF is also fucking abysmal

[sick quest]

LEAVE

WE ARE TALKING FRUMA SPOILERS GET OUTTA HERE

[sick quest]

Oh yeah

Hope they fix all that shi in corrupted ff

[whole river]

Mistwoods is the shaky part but it surpasses Wynn’s BEST quest

[regal spire]

I’ve got a shout bomb that’s calling for you

[ashen salmon]

the elevator doesn’t work

i should say slurs about it

[narrow kestrel]

ok but there really is no war within fruma's walls though 😭

The resistance were getting chopped if we didnt go

[warm flicker]

THE EMBODIMENT OF WAR IS IN FRUMA'S WALLS

[whole river]

and something tells me that if the devs are taking this long for the tasim dialogue then a Fruma touch up would take a year or so

[regal spire]

Well…

[sick quest]

Fix FF Make Antikyhera a much bigger and better villain release corrupted FF

[narrow kestrel]

Trvke

[regal spire]

“War” is in the fruman walls

[narrow kestrel]

We all been spoiling ourselves the past 7 years with the ba sing se joke

[regal spire]

So unbelievably corny, that line lmao

[ashen salmon]

antikythera needs like her own personality

[sick quest]

Corrupted FF and Corrupted EO

[regal spire]

Fruma when it was just ba sing se and nothing else

[sick quest]

Ong

[narrow kestrel]

???

[ashen salmon]

as it is now she is literally just Not Glados

[narrow kestrel]

Jolly idea

[sick quest]

Also pls dont make us kill the dog i hate killing the dog

[narrow kestrel]

Ill fucking give you christmas gifts bro

Merry Christmas

[sick quest]

Bruh what

[limber swan]

send screenshot lol

[regal spire]

I don’t have the original lmao

I wish I did

[whole river]

It’s the meme about the shout complaining about Fallen factory

[regal spire]

It was so fucking funny

[sick quest]

Ah

[warm flicker]

need to see that again

[narrow kestrel]

Theres a reason why FF and EO are the only dungeons without a corrupted version

[signal bough]

HER?

[ashen salmon]

but the forgery teases cff

[whole river]

Because corrupted EO parkour would probably have someone genuinely crash out

[sick quest]

Bruh theres been a corrupted ff tease sitting in the forgery for forever

[narrow kestrel]

We would have more incidents if those two were a thing.

[signal bough]

oh, glados

[sick quest]

Tf r u saying

[ashen salmon]

yes she

as she is literally just Not Glados

[narrow kestrel]

That would mean they remake FF first

And we all know rjey're never doing tjag

[whole river]

Corrupted EO parkour doesn’t have the bottom platforms you’ll have to vibes-feel through the parkour

[narrow kestrel]

The plarforms disappear if you stay for more than 3 seconds

[sick quest]

Corrupted EO has the fuckin fov parkour but you have blindness and nausea the whole time

[whole river]

Also for some reason the glacial training master archer is there the whole time doing true damage hits

[sick quest]

TNA shows up and jumps you in the middle

[warm flicker]

they will add corrupted FF as soon as they release the alternate dialogue path (never)

[ashen salmon]

saphanis himself descends on you and does your mom

[narrow kestrel]

tasim kiss scene fruma leak 2026

wait this isnt google

[narrow kestrel]

TNA starts doing sightseeing interceptor halfway through the parkour

[sick quest]

Orphion Saphanis and Anathema jump you in the parkour remove your armour and get freaky

[warm flicker]

sightseeing interceptor but u have to stay in a 3 block radius of a light block otherwise u take damage

[narrow kestrel]

it becomes DOT instead and its hitstun

[slender copper]

This sentence was typed out without fear and shame, what 😭

[sick quest]

By doing crazy amounts of damage of course what did you think i was saying

[narrow kestrel]

Im js they better not put tasim cart around me 😄😄😄

[ashen salmon]

TASIM CAR

BOTTOM TEXT

[narrow kestrel]

Coming in the wastelands update

[sick quest]

The final quest will be all the npcs we’ve ever met pushing us around in a lil cart

[slender copper]

Just say "they obliterate the player" then 😭

[ashen salmon]

no they got it right the first time

[sick quest]

Whats wrong with talking about Orphion undressing and pounding us (in combat)

[slender copper]

You know what nvm, w ragebait.

[narrow kestrel]

Orphion ramming my stupid chud morph nulli trickster ass over and over and over and over while I try to get a perfect abyssal III tome 😍😍😍

[sick quest]

Thank you thank you

[narrow kestrel]

If I open my mouth I become a flashlight

🫃

[sick quest]

🫃

[ashen salmon]

mmmfgh…

im so full……

[sick quest]

Bob is going to stab us with his sword over and over again until we feel Orphion’s light explode inside our body

[slender copper]

This ain't even lore anymore, I'm just gonna leave and return back with lore to discuss.

[sick quest]

Sorry we’ll stop ragebaiting

o7

[slender copper]

o7

[sick quest]

Fruma, Dern, or Corkus

To talk abt

We dont do that gavel shit in this house

[whole river]

I feel like the hollow serenity village should be a named town

[sick quest]

Yeah

Its more interesting than bucie

I imagine we’ll see revamps of Kander Forest, Light Forest, and Dark Forest all at once

And more dullahan

[summer bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

[signal bough]

can't wait for lore about the gavel federal govt

[sick quest]

The centralized gavel gov seems cooked since the fall of the monarchy

Rn all we can rly tell is that they do racism, run WynnEx, and scam people with Siegfried propaganda

[signal bough]

they have an army

that does racism

[sick quest]

I imagine that the rewrite of WynnEx will involve gavel much more as well as SE since thats where the crystals come from

A lot of earlier lore suffers from a lack of foresight/broader vision but now that the late game has rly picked up itll be easier to weave everything together

[warm flicker]

oh and turn a blind eye towards lexdale pen

i keep forgetting wynnex is so old it came out before gavel

[rich stump]

why are Rex and Zeph dumb, man

their decision making.. its like theyre 12

frustrating

"yes, thank you for inviting me into your secret base... let me just sabotage your operation and kill guards"

bruh

and now Rex is spying on one of them like.. you dont live here man, you dont have the authority to start spying on them like you dont trust them, youre the outsider

and why is Quill like "yes omg youre so smart for being reckless, lets all be more reckless from now on" 😭

[slender copper]

They are pretty young so they probably are near that age.

[rich stump]

I thought Rex was like 20s.. she talks about leaving the Roughworks ages ago

they do act like theyre teens tho

[main dust]

I kind of think it's good writing in a sense, they're being really stupid but also Steel Feather wouldn't really go anywhere without people willing to barge through loudly like that.
Without behaviour like that (which is bad don't get me wrong they're being reckless) Steel Feather won't get anywhere they actually truly need to go to because they're too scared to push further than they already pushed.

So it's like, they're acting like people without thought but overall it can mean something better for the Steel Feather.

[rich stump]

no but thats silly

[slender copper]

Think this is more likely, they are definitely not young adults age like [Player].

[rich stump]

the reason it all works is because they choose their battles

if they get reckless itll all fall apart

then they cant save anybody

they cant save everybody, thats silly

[main dust]

Yeah but you can't keep saving people that get homeless after they lose their home on repeat for 100+ years.
They can't save everybody but they also can't keep hiding in the shadows saving people losing to the systems of how The Roughworks wants to keep people working forever and ever until they die - the only way to stop that from happening to future kids is to take down the monarchy - but they're picking their fights far too carefully like that tbh

[rich stump]

they dont need to solve every problem

its a totally fair strategy to save 10 people instead of trying to save the entire province

not every rebel group needs to save the world

saving 1 person every week is still a huge impact

[main dust]

Well yeah - but that's the whole reason the Auburn Rebel Group is just the right way.
They are the catalyst to solving the problem but Steel Feather still was going to serve their role the way they have forever - they're like actually a really good 2nd chapter to Fruma in a real way, I agree that they don't have to do everything ever but I just think that the recklessness is a good look at the Auburn Rebel Group and the fact they're the ones that will push past Roughworks to the crown and stuff.

It's really cool, but god they were being so stupid jumping in and jepordaizing the steel feather like that

[rich stump]

like NPOs irl try to get a few homeless ppl off the streets, they dont try to solve homelessness

[main dust]

Absolutely not going to disagree with that given it's what you care about - I totally agree.
I live poor and understand why charities don't solve brokeness.

It's at least important to see that Steel Feather still would be a charity effectively and that they absolutely need to be safe, train station is such a safe area - I am just glad that they have people like Auburn to make up for Zeph recklessness in the future of the story

[rich stump]

yeah, I guess the way that the Auburn Rebel Group acts though, who would want to deal with them and put their operation at risk

Steel Feather operates great on its own, if I were them I'd throw Auburn out

but yes, Auburn is great, keep the candle lit yknow

Steel Feather has to ditch em if they want to stay alive

also sry Im only at lvl 110 now so idk how it ends up

just making commentary on my thoughts at this point in the story

[main dust]

Auburn Resistance kind of have a problem that they have operated without real risks because they live in the poorest district where their 'rebellion' is effectively a speck on the Crown's records but that's why they're so willing to do so many reckless things - they never have real punishments and stuff.
They're a snowball that the kingdom doesn't expect to be fundamental in the new world so they're very very very important and cool.

[signal bough]

Syndra and Quill are admittedly old friends

[main dust]

You'll like it, I hope!

[signal bough]

so all the leaves are vetted through Syndra

[rich stump]

and why is Rex getting pissed all of a sudden when Yus is talking with the Sovereign as if Syndra didnt do that too and Rex was fine with it??

anyways

[main dust]

Yeah that's some lame ass shit.

[rich stump]

weird

[signal bough]

cause she doesn't respect Yusanu

[rich stump]

I just think its silly to come in as a guest and start critisizing how theyre opreating. totally out of line

I guess I sorta get it, but this is not Leader mentality from Rex, no long term vision / foresight

[main dust]

Yeah but she should be better than that - she had to get over the 'I don't like the protagonist because they aren't the person I want them to be' thing and that felt like a change in how her character should work already.

But it's just a thing with Rex, yeah.

[signal bough]

it did pay out cause no one else did know

[main dust]

Rex should at least understand Syndra about it more but it's still a little goofy that we're reacting poorly to people being assistants to a sovereign like you can't get rebellion members that are high-up in closeness to the rulers and stuff.
People like that exist, Andor Mon Mothma is a good example if anyone's seen it.

Rex kind of gets over it but she does care about things I care about more as the story reaches it's last three quests and I find it a bit more based.

Can't be spoiler-y but if you get to the second to last two quests it's a cool convo

[signal bough]

Azael is the only goat among the resistances

[main dust]

We love a real baddie

Out there to win.

[rich stump]

idk who Azael is yet but ya Im excited to get further in

[slender copper]

...Azael?

[rich stump]

Ive been loving the content and the actual quests so far

amazing puzzles and stuff

high quality

[signal bough]

best dip

gonna talk about post revolutionary fruman elections

[main dust]

I don't mean baddie like evil or anything I just enjoy people that form a spirit in their mind to defend and fight.

Fruma politics are wild and so fun to talk about but my speicalization of interest is with the way the nation works while all the anti-rebellion stuff is still active not after.

I like super like the way it all works, really good world developement

[signal bough]

who you voting for in the first post-revolutionary fruman elctions?
Zhiraok(auburn)
Quill(industrial)
Azael(Mistwoods)
Bleeding Rose(Highlands)

[main dust]

Majin Majin Majin Majin

Kidding.

I am most interested in Quill's work with Zhiraok as an associate - Zhiraok is already an original soveriegn so it wouldn't work as well as him being the primary figurehead, citizen culture speaking

[signal bough]

wish I had the gif of him exploding

[main dust]

Azael is more probably going to solve the military issues given Mistwoods and the Prison have big problems, relocation of imprisoned 'cursed' and stuff.

Or y'know, whatever nonsense.
Mistwoods was kind of in a more fighting-based environment than the other ones.

Zhiraok understands the ways two whole districts work (and they're next to each other) and also hails from Highlands so he's able to handle a lot of the multi-tasking that comes with it, Quill still would be a better public person though

[signal bough]

also a changeling in charge is very funny

[lusty glacier]

who was azael?

[main dust]

The leader of the Canopy?

Oh am I thinking about someone else?

[lusty glacier]

ah right, forgot the name mb

[main dust]

Aight I was worried there lmao

[lusty glacier]

yeah no mistwoods is something i dont know much about

[main dust]

I think it's completely deserved for Mistwoods and Aldwell's own societal improvement - Changeling's were being murdered one by one and Gikyo was unwilling to actually solve that problem because they thought the whole crown thing couldn't be solved because his race were always going to keep doing because of Aldwell (which is a small cog in the machine of Fruma)

[whole river]

Azael was Syndra without the brilliant idea of suiciding against the Fruma queen

[main dust]

Azael will actually progress the culture -He'll not solve the Fruma problem but he will fix her race dying now that Fruma is not in charge of Changeling's becoming spies (whatever's left of the Changeling's given Tar Pits are kind of bad now) and he'll fix Aldwell mudering Changeling's constantly (or anyone acting suspicious in their own town)

[signal bough]

Azael goes by he/him

[main dust]

Appreciated, I'll fix

[limber swan]

Azeal wants to retire though

[main dust]

Sorry about that though :P
Should have read much better, my queer ass is on ice edge now

Aaaaah.

Yeah.

He does.

[signal bough]

at risk of burn-out, definitely, but I can see him doing it

[main dust]

Also apparently Croaquin is Gikyo's apprentice/adopted kid changeling?

Where tf is this information because that's some wild cool stuff

[signal bough]

it's implied

Croaquin says he emerged out of tar

and saw someone whose gender they were not sure of

[main dust]

Oh goodness! Right! The Tar Pit line.

I knew he was a changeling I just forgot the gender comment.

That's wild.

[signal bough]

since this was before I misted my woods I saw the gender comment but went 'tar is a liquid. Frogs emerge out of liquid. No mystery there.'

[main dust]

Yeah that was how I felt too.

But hey! That's writing, baby!

We love to see it.

[signal bough]

now how did Croaquin become frog-man?

[main dust]

Changeling's adapt to the culture that they grow up in normally. - it was probably just a reaction to a sort of nature to the Changeling's abilities that he just ended up staying as a frog.
Frogs are cool anyways

[shy hemlock]

i wish i was a frog

[slim belfry]

I wish I could be my wynn character 😔

[slender copper]

looks at the amount of abuse [Player] has been through and will be in a future update

[slim belfry]

a life without challenges would be a boring one

[slender copper]

Best of luck surviving those challenges 💀

[slim belfry]

player lore my character has does not help my case or does idk

it's based on my existing habits anyway

[zenith coral]

my player lore is dark asf and i dont wanna be them (multitudes not a gender thing)

[signal bough]

I mean do we get the same exemption from death

[slim belfry]

just dont die smh

[spring kernel]

Does your player lore happen to involve various gruesome deaths

[signal bough]

my player lore:
Afraid of elevators
got kinda religious after NoL
addicted to energy drinks after Fruma

I felt so seen when Rex was afraid of Soosu's elevator

[zenith coral]

its basically a contination of the same character from previous settings and it starts off as a lot worse than canon wynn (alot more people dying for one), everytime he dies he ends up back at the caravan. he later makes himself a pseudo-hivemind which is where all the players come from

[slender copper]

Just imagining your character and Rex panicking in the elevator as Soostep plays in the background 💀

[warm flicker]

my lightbender lore:
Escaped the Wynn province after making fun of the king of Ragni the second they arrived at Ragni
Lived as a castaway in the ocean for some time
Pretended to still be part of the Ragni military in order to get into Gavel

[slim belfry]

LOL

[slender copper]

Here my character lore is them being a empty vessel 💀

[slim belfry]

that's pretty neat

[zenith coral]

one of my character fairly defining traits is that they succed in every battle and win every war and keep being miserable. basically they win always but noone else does. he desperateley wants to be punished for his 'sins' but the 'karma' just goes to innocent bystanders

[slim belfry]

mine is almost empty vessel in place for me but I gave a joke-y backstory

[slim belfry]

dang

apotheosis tasim-core

[zenith coral]

its alot worse lol

tasim isnt responsible for basically dooming entire worlds he was trying to save but going completeley unpunished and even being rewarded instead

[slim belfry]

yeaaah

meant more in the fact he seems to deserve punishment

[zenith coral]

basically his entire existence is him trying to atone for being born (it was a huge clusterfuck) and early on he tries to help as much as he can but gets worse outcomes than in canon (world traveler)

it gets better eventually, but at that point he becomes extremeley nihilistic and fatalistic while still trying to make everything better (it works now [everything is better] but he is now aware of the true nature of reality and it breaks him)

[signal bough]

being a sharpshooter gives a whole new dynamic to Rex's dislike

I can do cool archery magic but she can't

[signal bough]

Molten Heights civil war!!!

[slim belfry]

I think she can but chooses not to

or that was just gikyo blabbering

[zenith coral]

gikyo defeniteley loves rping

[slender copper]

Yeah that's what changelings do /sarcasm.

[zenith coral]

by the time my player arrives in wynn they would have already gone down games (more like mods, probably a theme) like enderal and the owlc0da where he is basically super powerful and he keeps failing everyone so thats a theme for him in his first arc (his first arc concludes with him dooming a slice-of-life world of an otherwise very dark setting and getting a ridiculously bad outcome which births the main villain of his story)

[zenith coral]

you understand me so well 😄

[rain saffron]

I’ve been poking around here every so often, and now I’m curious lol what’s yalls player lore?

[slender copper]

Mine is probably the least complicated, they are an empty vessel (basically just wynncraft lore of the player)

[rain saffron]

Ooooooo

[zenith coral]

mine can be read above

[rain saffron]

Mine is this stupid teen who wants to spread joy and whimsy and ends up traumatized

[slender copper]

I bet they did

[zenith coral]

its nice to see fellow lore makers who love angst and suffering

lets make grimdark wynncraft together

[slender copper]

Oooooooo Can I join? lol

[slim belfry]

all I know is I slept somewhere and have no idea how I ended up becoming a recruit

[rain saffron]

Yes bet bet I love when my characters suffer

[rain saffron]

I love that

[slender copper]

Turns out I actually written that because they are an empty vessel, they are unable to truely... feel. So a little more complicated then I thought lol

[rain saffron]

Oooooo

[slim belfry]

also people constantly asking how I'm able to sleep outside wearing a jacket and thick pants in very hot temps (this was directly taken from my actual life lol)

[rain saffron]

Help I do that too xD peak life frfr

[zenith coral]

for one i hc my fallen clone (the whole hivemind thing) the more he uses his corrupted ability the more deformed but stronger he gets, with stuff like his armor melting and fusing with his skin

[rain saffron]

Yooo that’s so cool

My stupid lightbender is just stupid in general and her stupidity is so stupid and I love her and I hate her

She’s also half dog fsr

[slim belfry]

I find it absolutely hilarious that fallen was disregarded as the "most canonically conflicting archetype" for a long time until they get direct dialogue from the source itself lol

[zenith coral]

like canonically my character basically makes tons of hivemind separations from himself to make up for his single body, so thats how raid partys work (along with other things like a guardian angel system where the clones basically protect people they are assigned to [clones is the wrong word cuz it implies a different mind and soul but its the same guy operating on a level his mind wasnt made for])

the lightbender and riftwalker clones are basically replaced periodically cuz the more you use there power the more you fall to light and dark respectiveley alongside them metamorphositing

[slim belfry]

average gavellian resident

[rain saffron]

Woah thats cool

[zenith coral]

lightbender basically becomes the thing i described as laris ascended form in wynnswap (it never reaches that point tho) and the riftwalker gets more and more timewarped with the eyestalks that come from the riftwalker blackhole thing basically growing on him alongside more mouths and eyes

[rain saffron]

Oooo

[slim belfry]

OOOOOO

okay I love archetypes "detracting" a bit because we know that they're not directly canon but the abilities by themselves exist

[zenith coral]

lightbender riftwalker and fallen are the strongest but the bodies are periodically disposed off (not fallen but thats a more lore thing)

[slim belfry]

we need a lightbender that's actually a dark person sucking out light like the parasite to throw back at people

[rain saffron]

That’s lowkey such a cool idea

[zenith coral]

the player basically gets burned out of being a hero after the ending of arc 1 where he dooms a slice of life world thats already a miracle cuz that setting was normally really dark

so he does everything himself

[rain saffron]

Ooo

[zenith coral]

however he also adopts the suffering builds character and power mindset and moonlights as villain of the week every week as different identities to 'push' heroes

[slender copper]

This player lore piece might actually get me to make a mage lol

[zenith coral]

he only does that when its neccessary but he also uses 'fake-apocalypses' as an evacuation method (basically he stores the soul and body of the 'victims' ofthe apocalypse to prevent collateral damage when he solos the actual apocalypse)

[slim belfry]

so doing an orphion but temporarily for an actual "good" reason

or dramele idk

we got a lot of bad soul manipulating people

[rain saffron]

Oooooooooo

[zenith coral]

because a villain is a joke when they dont kill anyone he creates 'fake people' that are just him but now its like a sixth of the worlds population and they basically are pure good people that normally basically serve as 'course correctors' like pure-good leaders politicans etc. but they are also the only casaulties when the apocalypse happens to push the 'heroes' (these fake people serve as mentors and die horrific deaths)

basically he uses alot of evil tropes like a big bodysnatching species causing havoc 'buts its good now'

but thats all after arc 1 which wynn is apart of

basically he is 9/10s of the villain cast and 10/10 of the dead cast in a heroes show

[rain saffron]

Yooooo

That's rlly cool

[frozen turtle]

VIP class reskin abilities when lowkey

dark mage

[slim belfry]

oh right

dark wizard

I legitimately forgot about reskins lol

[frozen turtle]

reskins used to be an actual reskin but since spellbound they only have a different name

[sick quest]

what do you guys think the dark mage equivalent of lightbender riftwalker and arcanist would be

if it was a full reskin of spells and subclasses

[formal bridge]

Riftwalker now already looks dark magey with the big black and purple rift that you create

[frozen turtle]

darkbender !!

[sick quest]

Dude that would be a W

And the orbs could be eyes

[frozen turtle]

Arcanist would just be like, the old Dark Wizard with like

just hte same spells but.. dark

Riftwalker could stay the same honestly

[rain saffron]

That would be so cool lowkey

[rain saffron]

YES OMG

Eyes I like eyes

[frozen turtle]

so then maybe like 2 dark's cancel out so it becomes like
Nicewalker

[proud ginkgo]

Make it all green

[rain saffron]

Nicewalker lol

[frozen turtle]

or, yk how in WTP there was like RoW rifts, u could make it like that colour scheme ig

[exotic bough]

question: if one were to damage the skin of a changeling disguised as a human, would it bleed red blood or the changeling tar

[zenith coral]

prolly tar, but who knows

actually they probably can disguise that or all of mistwoods iq is low as f

[exotic bough]

yeah i was asking cuz

why not just nick the skin of people to be absolutely sure they're not a changeling

[rain saffron]

I think tar

[frozen turtle]

well

[slender copper]

I would assume Changelings tar, since from what we can see... Changelings cannot change their biological features, like with us seeing Changeling having a lighter eye color even when changing into a different form.

[exotic bough]

ig infections given it is a humid area

[frozen turtle]

depends on how much changelings actually change

They require food based on the form they take which implies they do change their biology

to an extent

[rain saffron]

True

Ig it depends on how hard they try

[frozen turtle]

and also they seem to get the resistances of that species as well

like changeling tar is not fire proof, but if they turn into a Dogun for example then they are

[slender copper]

I thought that was only Gikyo with his gift? Unless it's only related to powers.

[frozen turtle]

thats all changelings

[vestal rivet]

based on Gikyo, I'd guess tar unless their blessing messed their biology up

[frozen turtle]

He was also changing while we were attacking him

they

[vestal rivet]

dang really?

missed that

[frozen turtle]

yeah its in the fort notes

about how they train changelings

[slender copper]

^

[frozen turtle]

I think maybe that if a changeling is changing and gets attacked within a certain period before their biology can fully settle into the new species

then it becomes tar

idk

[exotic bough]

i wouldnt jump so fast to tar cuz:

• gikyo didnt really take their role as a changeling seriously following ascension
• they got mortally wounded when sui snowgraves them

[vestal rivet]

the changelings in the Fort Hegea LR challenge also bleed purple when you kill them iirc

that may just be their weird self-revial mechanic though

[frozen turtle]

i dont know if gikyo even gets "wounded" or if they just only half changed cuz the tar is annoying to deal with idk

[zenith coral]

slime biology ig

[frozen turtle]

because once gikyo changes, the goo is gone

ok yeah when Sui attacks Gikyo they bleed tar

[zenith coral]

lets wait with the changeling questions till wasteland comes out which will prolly answer our questions, maybe gikyo will answer them idk they may have survived (theres evidence for that) but who knows atp

[frozen turtle]

gikyo is still alive 100%

[vestal rivet]

A Changeling just has a layer of red liquid they make right under the skin layer in pockets to emulate bleeding if injured so they can keep their cover or something

[vestal rivet]

yeah I agree
something tells me that what would normally be a fatal wound wouldn't put a changeling down forever given they can dissolve their vital organs and reform them and be fine

[frozen turtle]

we do see gikyo make clones from the goo piles so i'd assume gikyo could just reform yeah

[ancient dock]

Could changelings just attach themselves to another host?

[vestal rivet]

changelings don't have hosts they physically tie themselves to?

[ancient dock]

I mean idk, I just thought it would be cool if they could

[frozen turtle]

My headcannon/theory is that Changelings take time to change their biology internally, they're good at quickly changing the general form/shape but take a bit longer to actually become that creature. So the spy changelings end up eventually becoming human

[vestal rivet]

they only need to have seen you once to copy you I'm pretty sure
they don't even need physical contact or anything, like even a picture should in theory work

[ancient dock]

I see

[frozen turtle]

for gikyo i think they need to fight/make contact in order to copy powers, just so they know what the powers are

[summer bluff]

This is actually a plot in Star Trek ds9, where they were paranoid about changelings invading so they did poke tests on everyone. It turns out that one was able to fake the test by using someone else's blood and was disguised as the doctor for like weeks

It was either ruled out as a method of detection or azael prohibited it as it would out him

[slim belfry]

yeah feel like if they knew azael was one they'd burn him anyway for being a changeling

[vestal rivet]

Azael has lived long enough that they should know something's wrong
but at the same time they give no indication that they do

[formal bridge]

I feel they'd imprison Azael first and spend forever interrogating to try and prove Azael has been replaced somehow. It'd split the canopy in two between hardliners and those who believe that Azael is genuine. Unfortunately everythint about Mistwoods we know thus far implies that the former faction would win out and kill Azael out of fear

[split night]

I think Gikyo is just different that the average changeling is that they were blessed by Her's Majesty
So it would explain how they can copy a person to near perfect, even obtaining their skills

[vestal rivet]

purpem needs to make a version of that recent queen gif, but instead it's Azael coming out as a Changeling and the Canopy all drawing their weapons instead of getting depressed

[signal bough]

Aledar isn’t truly beyond salvation- there are three characters who also had their souls exploded and got resurrected(if I remember my festivals lore correctly)

[paper wyvern]

wait what

[vestal rivet]

waht

[signal bough]

So the festival people are all brothers

Three of them blew their souls up

And Aster got into writing magic and figured out how to bring them back

[hybrid gazelle]

They only came back as husk of themselves tho

And I don’t think their death is similar to Aledar

And even then

This written by Lexnt
I don’t think she will ever give a fucking hope that Alrdar can come back to life in some form

[regal spire]

Aledar came back as a chestplate

Now, he is close to my heart forever fr

[frozen turtle]

Aledar's soul isnt destroyed also
It was sacrificed which im assuming means Dern has his soul in some way shape or form

[regal spire]

It was shattered

Aledar’s soul is basically completely destroyed

[vestal rivet]

in terms of potential for Afterlife, Aledar has no potential for Afterlife
he just gets oblivion

[regal spire]

Maybe there’s bits of some kind of “soul fragments” lingering around the door, or whatever, but canonically, Aledar was completely annihilated, and has nothing left of them

[paper wyvern]

not it was shattered

[signal bough]

Probably not

[paper wyvern]

where does it say they blew their souls up

[regal spire]

They blew themselves up, but idk if their souls were blown up with em

They were doing some kind of ritual

[frozen turtle]

ig i just misunderstood it

cuz the quests talks about how someone has to be sacrificed and the soul will open the door

[hybrid gazelle]

It was sacrificed yes

But in the process soul is shatter in return

[paper wyvern]

yes the soul is sacrificed to open the door and shatters as part of the process

[signal bough]

Ugh Wynn afterlife lore is confusing

But okay

Soul doesn’t appear to matter

[regal spire]

Now that we’re on the topic, I wonder if a shattered soul means it is completely gone, like poof gone not even a trace of it ever existing. What if it was shattered, but there are bits and pieces of itself just sorta floating around

[frozen turtle]

oh right yeah

[regal spire]

Theoretically, you could get a big broom

Sweep em up and make a new Aledar

[frozen turtle]

I also just remember a theory that the taker in EO was aledars soul

i mean, im pretty sure the Taker is at least resembled after Aledar but idk if it is Aledar

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure it been mention that the taken is fragment of Aledar’s soul

[frozen turtle]

ok so

the dern does have some of his soul

idk why people were saying that his soul was just shattered then

[paper wyvern]

cause two says his soul was shattered

cauise it was

[signal bough]

Based on my reading of Alem’s line that the blizzard guy is a memory, they are created from Aster’s memories of them

So no soul is necessary

[frozen turtle]

yeah im not saying his soul wasnt shattered,
but what i was saying was just that his soul was also taken by dern

maybe not all of it ig

[paper wyvern]

it was shattered and some pieces may have been taken

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure there chest plate item that talk about aledar’s soul

[frozen turtle]

but i feel like u cant reconstruct with only part of a sooul

[paper wyvern]

so he is still dead forever

[signal bough]

Aledar homunculus is on the table still

[frozen turtle]

Elphaba's Chestplate maybe?

or not

[frozen turtle]

Phantasmal Hostage

yeah

so he was captured so

my point stands that his soul is with the dern

[paper wyvern]

im going with "two literally says the soul is shattered" over that but ok

[hybrid gazelle]

We gonna collect Aledar’s soil like collectible in Lego game

[frozen turtle]

it's probably both,

His soul was shattered and captured by Dern,

my point was that the reason we couldnt bring back Aledar is because his soul (wether or not its shattered) is in captivity

[sick quest]

I do think itd be cool if Tasim got to meet even a small shard of aledars soul

[paper wyvern]

Lmao yea

[paper wyvern]

Ok so dern is gonna have a fetch quest for pieces of aledars soul got it

[signal bough]

If we ever get to re-assemble it in the dern update it’d probably be just for a few lines of dialogue and a goodbye for Tasim before he goes to Wynn heaven

[frozen turtle]

i think time valley for tasim to see aledar will be cooler and sad

der

i just want time valley to be used more lowkey

[signal bough]

We all do

[dim plover]

Tbh this thing looks like a bird

[astral void]

Time valley has so much potential just to be a lower level quest related thing. The secret discovery is cool and all but it's literally the valley of time

[misty jetty]

So this is a question I've had for awhile, idk if there's even a real answer but here goes: for reference when I say Light/Dark I'm talking about the powers used by Lari (Light) and I guess the Parasite (maybe the Olms too? Regardless, Dark.) So like what are Light and Dark in terms of magical energy? Are they elements like what make up the physical world, are they the combination or absence of said elements, like Light could be refracted into the elements and Dark is completely devoid of them. Are they their own energy types completely removed from the elemental system entirely? Because I can't imagine they make up the realm of influence the way the elements make up Physicality, since Dawn and Shade have carved out their own claims within the RoI. More importantly why are they able to interact with the elements in the way they do, either promoting growth (Light) or promoting decay (Dark).

[sick quest]

Yeah the fact the time travel twmple only shows up once to teach abt theorick sucks

[misty jetty]

I mean, you could count the Hunter's Calling as a form of time travel, since you directly interact with Theorick in HC too, in a similar manner, where it's more a simulacrum of the past rather than actually visiting it. At least I think that's how it happened in both quests, it's been awhile since I played either one.

[sick quest]

I mean AHC is an alternate universe

Whereas the temple allows you to enter the past and see things unfold

AHC is a timeline where you learn how much of a fraud bak’al is

[misty jetty]

True

[sick quest]

Plus you get a very strong hint that the factory is still active in the main timeline

[misty jetty]

But I mean time in Physicality just seems wonky in general given how many visions of the past we received somewhat unprompted. The Ragni Towers, the founding of Elfim, even Bak'al's destructions are all ways of seeing the past. The main difference between those visions and AHC/Theorick's Staff is that we're able to interact with the vision as it's happening.

It makes me wonder if Time Valley's influence doesn't extend past the temple grounds and the valley.

[signal bough]

and then a huge canonicity problem is thrown in with Almuj

[sick quest]

Whats wrong w the almuj part?

[signal bough]

because it appears to have happened

Wynnex got approval to dig

[hybrid gazelle]

They are something else entirely

[ancient dock]

I think that master blacksmith in the small black road town claimed that to attack a mob from dern you need to cleanse yourself out of this "darkness" or something like that. I'll link the relevant wiki.

||"Elphaba: So, Dren. Do you know why we can't damage the beast?
Dren: Certainly! Your issue is elemental. As you know, there are 5 elements...
Dren: Earth...
Dren: Fire...
Dren: Air...
Dren: Water...
Dren: And Thunder...
Dren: But.. There is a hidden element, ❂Darkness..
Dren: In order to damage a creature of Darkness, you must remove that influence from your soul.
Dren: Some Dark creatures use a sort of synchronous barrier that prevents them being harmed by other creatures influenced with Darkness."
https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/A_Journey_Beyond#:~:text=Elphaba%3A So%2C Dren,creatures influenced with Darkness.||

About the rest, I'm not so sure but they're both influencing the world, so each influence either does light stuff or dark stuff. We can see this exaggerated interaction ||when sovereign two teaches us about it||

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh my god bruh

It

It no longer canon

[ancient dock]

Oh lol haha

[hybrid gazelle]

First half of ajb just throw out of the Canin because it so fucking shit

[ancient dock]

Since when

Damn okie

[hybrid gazelle]

Ct said it but also like

Gavel reborn exist

It’s quest feature parasite who yoh clearly can hurt

Like

[misty jetty]

Yeah that's what I was thinking too, but like I feel there has to be some connection because otherwise how does the Decay occur. There's also the Corruption which based on the resonance weaver seems to be a coalescence of the different elements since they resonated into the single red wave. So maybe it's all frequencies and resonances?

[hybrid gazelle]

God ajb first section is so bad man even without context of shit being decanonize

Because literally this make every single creatures from dark unkillable

[hybrid gazelle]

Decay is just absence of light

[hybrid gazelle]

No it not coalescence of elements

The weaver is jsut allow you to see corruption through reality manipulation

[misty jetty]

Ah

[hybrid gazelle]

The rune are building block of reality in which resonance manipulate it to allow corruption to be visible

[misty jetty]

That makes a lot more sense.

[untold warren]

#1504820045975392357 anyone got a map?

[misty jetty]

Also did not know that the first part of ajb got retconned, neat.

[hybrid gazelle]

Outside of ct saying it no longer Canin

It pretty much prove to be disregarded due to entire rol story lol

[full jackal]

workin on it

the fact that the missing piece gets 4 songs

[untold warren]

workin

ahhaha

[full jackal]

is proof that

[full jackal]

the world has healed

[full jackal]

Stop it. Get some help. —Michael Jordan

[regal spire]

Shmitty

[full jackal]

okay rank these 4 tracks from tMisPie:

a. Blossom (Elise Burial)
b. Budding Daydreams (Syndra reveal)
c. Wilted Reverie (Elise’s Memories)
d. Sprouting Warmth (Elise’s Memories)

[brave atlas]

Who wij

Win

Darkness and light combined full power or

1 morph user of each weapon

[full jackal]

i mean depends how good the morph players are

[full jackal]

uhh okay your point is

What should we call the little thing above the album cover part tho

like the image i sent just now what’s that thingy called

[brave atlas]

Level 1 weapon morph plays like a new player level 120 weapon plays like the guy that beat legendary isle no armor no accesories no consumables

[full jackal]

literally the parasite

like orphion finished them off sure

but we had no problem killing it

oh wait no u already mentioned that nvm

but like why would they say that though in the first place

even pre-1.19 we killed so many dark creatures in gavel

did they like not think that through?

[paper wyvern]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised

[full jackal]

mf

this is one of the most important quests

in the entire game

they just didn’t think that through

how

like think about it for 10 seconds

we did a useless fetch quest

[paper wyvern]

I feel like the CT of 1.19/1.20 were trying to build a larger storyline but didn't really know what they were doing

[full jackal]

to overcome something that contradicts pretty much everything in west gavel

[paper wyvern]

Leading to the messes of ajb and rol

[full jackal]

i guess

i mean like maybe we’re an exception cuz dark doesn’t affect us because we’re a special lil boi?

i forgot what happened in that part of the wuest cuz it was so boring honestly

[marble lantern]

SE questline has us purified of Dark, thats the only real thing we've had done to us at that point

[solid ibex]

2.0 quests and after that, they seem to know what they are actually doing now lmfao

i cant believe we get to bury someone after witnessing their tragic love story twice

and then planting a flower, genuinely how does this happen twice to the player ✌️

[full jackal]

whos the second person tho

ohh u mean hollow serenity

[solid ibex]

yea

[full jackal]

i wouldn’t call that a love story

[solid ibex]

"tragic"

[full jackal]

Less tragic more horrifying

[formal bridge]

A love story implies romance was the focus of the story

[full jackal]

i still haven’t done the quest cuz the hide parts scare me shitless

i can’t

[formal bridge]

Hollow Serenity mostly just felt like "everything sucks here in the dark forest, get it?"

[solid ibex]

literally the entire problem stem for their romance and the decay research

[formal bridge]

I've never liked it much just cause dark forest to me never felt very connected to me

[full jackal]

Some people

[solid ibex]

im sorry that part is not scary icl

[full jackal]

some people should never be let into society

[untold warren]

Speaking of.

[full jackal]

It’s because I’m a massive p[[RUN — 10s left]]ssy when it comes to horror stuff

[solid ibex]

oh you should have seen me screaming for my life yesterday when i played suitborn with my friends

[full jackal]

what?

i don’t get it

is thag supposed to mean…

oh no

[untold warren]

It was in the top 10 thighs I'd let crush my skulls thread

Now deleted

[solid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345278561094733835/1482806976550408192/IMG_2635.gif

[neat oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829749238388752436/1488448462705135697/togif.gif

[full jackal]

what the fuck

why does that exist

[solid ibex]

they created the thread

[full jackal]

why

[solid ibex]

look at their name

[full jackal]

why would you do the thing

[solid ibex]

freaky flamboyant wynn larper

[untold warren]

I'm a changed man

[full jackal]

mf sui is way too traumatized to even consider that

[untold warren]

Its now #1504820045975392357

We are politicians now

[full jackal]

what changed then

how is that different

[untold warren]

I realized i could stop over sharing and just draw them.

[full jackal]

that is…

better ig???

[untold warren]

John, I'm trying my best to adapt ts into an anime gng 😭🙏

[full jackal]

What

what was that deleted message

[frozen turtle]

maybe a timelost sanctum quest would help but still, i think more lore about the history would be cool

or if it even got more uses out of it

I think a cool quest (i doubt CT would do though) is we get an item from Aledar and with Tasim visit him.

I don't like the idea of the player like, reviving Aledar cuz whats the point of the sacrifice then and I think it would be very bittersweet having Tasim being able to reunite with Aledar but only in a memory.

[full jackal]

aw thatd actually be so sweet tho

i think tasim needs to get over aledar soon and thatd be a really good way to do it

[full jackal]

Temple of time is used once

which is honestly really weird considering how op it is

so itd make sense fpr it to be used more ig

[frozen turtle]

Yeah, its only used for Theorick one time which is why i think it could be used more

only thing is if we add more uses ppl may want more and more like seeing more Twains, Syndra/Mora, and people

[slim belfry]

we can replace Aledar

[frozen turtle]

Tasim x Player ship?

[slim belfry]

idk

Tasim: I miss Aledar...
Player: You have me!
Tasim: Heh... you know he's a better kisser than us.

[full jackal]

crazy X_C

[slim belfry]

I'm just adding fuel to the fire for shippers

[full jackal]

a noble mission indeed

[slim belfry]

in this case it's pure oil

[frozen turtle]

Tasim and Player will kiss infront of the Dern Portal i forsee it

[paper wyvern]

You wrote two s instead of two l

[sick quest]

Tasim cart through SE to get to Dern portal

[frozen turtle]

no. they will kiss.

[sick quest]

Talim and Player will kill in front of the Dern Portal I forlee it

[paper wyvern]

Kill yea

[full jackal]

100%

[frozen turtle]

CT would confirm it for me but they can't leak

[slim belfry]

they will kill lari in front of the dern portal

she appears out of it knowing what they will do next

[full jackal]

good

[sick quest]

L take

[frozen turtle]

W take

[paper wyvern]

Actually they kill Ava who secretly followed them to the dern portal and got corrupted

[frozen turtle]

Dernrupted

[sick quest]

This is so much worse

[slim belfry]

too high IQ for me to understand

[sick quest]

Both plotwise and Ava being best girl (after Sui)

[frozen turtle]

Ava and Lari will appear out of portal together and we'll kill them

[paper wyvern]

What part. The fact none of it makes sense or derncorruption

[sick quest]

All of it plus the fact you’d involve my girl Ava

[frozen turtle]

Yaoi vs Yuri battle

[sick quest]

The good ending: Tasim dies

[paper wyvern]

I do genuinely hope Ava is involved in something after feathers fly

[frozen turtle]

bad*

[sick quest]

Same

[full jackal]

true

[sick quest]

She was done dirty in the ending of that questline

Bring Maxxie and Ava to Fruma

[frozen turtle]

Ava would get hatecrimed if she went to Fruma

[paper wyvern]

Would be cool if we had an excuse to gather a lot of allies and could bring the corkus crew

[sick quest]

Ava would fold those backwards frauds

[full jackal]

ik right like just let her make a mistake or two

maybe then the corkians would be less racist

[sick quest]

Anathema when Ava unleashes technological marvels beyond the gods comprehensions: 💀

[paper wyvern]

Ava would blast the hatecrimers to next week then the gun explodes and she ends up back on corkus

[full jackal]

or more racist idk

[sick quest]

Also can you imagine if Soosu Yusanu and Ava worked together on something

[paper wyvern]

Who would win competitive racism the villagers in general or the clans when it comes to changelings

[sick quest]

Villagers

[full jackal]

villagers ofc

[frozen turtle]

well

[full jackal]

canopy is headed by a changeling secretly

[frozen turtle]

Clans murder changelings

I think villagers just say slurs

[full jackal]

and they have a justified reason to not like changelings ig but generalizarion is bad obv

[full jackal]

orc war

gerts

[frozen turtle]

oh yeah true forgot about Orcs

[sick quest]

Dwarves > Villagers > Corkians on the racism scale

[frozen turtle]

Villagers are also more racist to more races

[sick quest]

The Canopy also isnt racist

[frozen turtle]

They kill gerts and orcs, just generally racist to humans

[sick quest]

The Mistwoods clans kill people they perceive to be spying on them/disloyal

Their fear of changelings comes from that

[frozen turtle]

Changelings do tend to be actually spies is the thing

[sick quest]

Yeah

[frozen turtle]

idk if we know any changelings who aren't spies

Azael used to be a spy as well

[sick quest]

The changelings that the mistwoods have encountered are directly under gikyo/the queen

[frozen turtle]

wonder how many changelings there are in the other areas

or if they send any out into Wynn/Gavel

[sick quest]

Id be surprised if they didnt

Also think of general’s orders

That dude seems to be a changeling

[fervent sun]

they are. the chestplate from the quest is changeling mail or something

[paper wyvern]

Ok but general's orders is definitely not a fully trained changeling

[frozen turtle]

yeah but

that changeling is not like

a spy. dont thinki

it seems to be rogue

[paper wyvern]

It's probably just one that escaped

[fervent sun]

idk they were just kidding around tbh

[paper wyvern]

Liked bats too much and flew out of fruma or smth

[frozen turtle]

Like, i feel like it would make sense if they do, easy way to collect information

[sick quest]

Couldve just been a changeling that went crazy after years abroad/years as not one concrete being

[frozen turtle]

or maybe they used to but learnt the changelings would go rogue and started sending inquisitors

[sick quest]

We know that the whole changeling spy shit fucks with you (from Azael’s letter)

[frozen turtle]

• wanted to keep more in Fruma

[sick quest]

I imagine its the reverse

Inquisitors seem like a much more direct tool of the fruman monarchy in the oppression of its people

[frozen turtle]

Ragni King is a changeling confirmed?

[sick quest]

If Anathema had sense he would be

But Anathema’s handling of international relations is wack

[frozen turtle]

she's so focused on Fruma she ignores everyoen else which is sad

[sick quest]

I.e. the tourney

Yeah but she’s not even sensibly isolationist

[paper wyvern]

The queens problem is she feels the need to be as in control as possible so she cuts the rest of the world off and ignores it unless something important happens because she can't control it as well as she can fruma

[manic kraken]

i thought corkians more racist bc of bird ppl?

[formal bridge]

Dwarves > corkians > villagers

Dwarves did a genocide multiple times

Corkians made peace but are still violently racist