📚lore_discussion

[split night]

not like you're in two place at once to confirm that

xd

[frozen turtle]

how does he insta travel then

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh Tasim having blessing would be nice Segway to Dern expansion

[surreal lava]

he and his boat can use warp scrolls but he makes his passengers sail the seas

[frozen turtle]

he has some sort of weird power

[split night]

He literally don't

[frozen turtle]

i dont trust it

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim likely gojng to play a role allowing us to transverse Dern

[frozen turtle]

nexus disproves that

[split night]

He talks while we are travelling with him

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider this blessing

[split night]

xd

[frozen turtle]

the time it takes to go from Selchar to Nemract is longer then our insta nexus

so obviously

[full jackal]

i am going to stop this here and now you shall cease immediately

[frozen turtle]

he tps somehow

[mossy badge]

Seaskipper yaps for an hour

[untold warren]

aight next in our Roster is Theodora I

[pine flower]

Marry

[whole river]

This is boring

[untold warren]

now she may look ancient as fuck, married even

[frozen turtle]

her eyes scare me like

so much

[full jackal]

stop

[frozen turtle]

too scary

the eyes are too scary

unsettling

[untold warren]

I should stop, this is lore discussion 😭

[dim plover]

Is this just once per class
That kinda sucks

[frozen turtle]

this is lore wdym

[whole river]

Ocean update will save selchar

[untold warren]

oh right, most characters are prolly inspired by these people

[full jackal]

yes you should stop just don’t never do that again stop

[frozen turtle]

if u show wynn characters then its technically lore discussion

[mossy badge]

Ye

[pine flower]

Really?
Ig we gotta farm level 105 classes noe

[full jackal]

don’t encourage them you fucking psycho /hj

[dim plover]

Mmm yes

[split night]

Hey guys like
Smash or pass?

[untold warren]

aight next up in our roster is Lou Andreas-Salomé

[dim plover]

I was asking if it was

[frozen turtle]

SMASHHHHH

[full jackal]

not you too T_T

[surreal lava]

smash seaskipper

[ashen salmon]

smash

[pine flower]

Ah

[surreal lava]

he's a handsome lad

[untold warren]

whose design potentially inspired the queen of fruma

[slim belfry]

sorry pass I leave him to ragni king

[untold warren]

RAW

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[frozen turtle]

Siegfried lowkey

[full jackal]

FUUUCCCCCKKKKKKK

I get back from a 3 hour pilgrimage and this is the first thing i see

[uneven basin]

Just in case you're serious, he doesn't tp you the same way the fruman metro isn't instant xd

[slim belfry]

he's a fraud but hey actors tend to be good looking

[mossy badge]

I think fast travels should take an hour to be realistic

[surreal lava]

are warp scrolls canon?

[frozen turtle]

like

[mossy badge]

Ig

[frozen turtle]

smash or pass

[untold warren]

Aight nest up in our roster is Cleopatra VII

who potentially inspired the design of Syndra

[whole river]

Who the hell is cleopatra

Is she from a gavel quest

[mossy badge]

Siegfried #6 smash or pass

[surreal lava]

would you smash the first siegfried?

[untold warren]

Fruma Questline

you meet her down the line

[frozen turtle]

EVERY siegfried

[full jackal]

wait is this canon

[whole river]

Syndra doesn’t even look like her

[mossy badge]

Ye

[surreal lava]

necrophilia?

[frozen turtle]

no like when they were alive

[slim belfry]

that's a real portrait yes

[frozen turtle]

freak

[uneven basin]

complicated the topic, I'm tempted to say no causethere's a quest in cinfras that says such tech would be revilotionary

[frozen turtle]

chat is this canon is cleopatra VII canon

[untold warren]

aight last in our roster is Empress Wei

[frozen turtle]

is she bald

[full jackal]

Woah cool

[untold warren]

who potentially inspired the design for Mahoraga, who inspired the design for Orphion

[whole river]

What?

[mossy badge]

I mean the merchant is prolly not canon but like gawrick did make scrolls

[surreal lava]

how did mahoraga inspire orphion

[slim belfry]

I dont know any of the rest so not marry

[untold warren]

first and last for our male category is Sukuna, potentially inspired Rex's design

[whole river]

Wynncrafters are 12 and think JJK was the first to even do a mahoraga 💔

[untold warren]

OG name is Makora

[slim belfry]

yes but canonically implied to be a commodity good

[whole river]

Makora is a John werry tier name

[pine flower]

I for one think caid inspired rexs design

[hybrid gazelle]

wait

[whole river]

Does tisuan even have a portrait

[hybrid gazelle]

is not that one quest imply that the teleport scroll is something that not release in the public

[mossy badge]

No

[untold warren]

totally related to lore

[frozen turtle]

they're still working on making teleporting work

with scrolls

[untold warren]

its a black marketplace

[hybrid gazelle]

black market

what

where the fuck are thes coming from

[untold warren]

because the sellers are usually

[slender copper]

Sorry I just scrolled through the conversation, thank you for the people that changed the subject.

[hybrid gazelle]

no

what

how

[untold warren]

Villagers

[hybrid gazelle]

where does this coming from

[untold warren]

from my 9PM schizo ranting

[hybrid gazelle]

okay

[untold warren]

everything i say is either bullshit, or gay

there is no in between

[surreal lava]

most of it is gay

[hybrid gazelle]

but to answer the question no

[full jackal]

usually for me its both T_T

[hybrid gazelle]

as far as we know

teleport scroll is something invented by Gwarick but he was rejected from making it commerical

[untold warren]

anyways, yall know the Grimoire coords?

[slim belfry]

Gawrick probably gives them elsewhere idk

[frozen turtle]

Gawrick also seems to only be able to teleport randomly i think

cuz when we pay him

idk tho

may be wrong

[hybrid gazelle]

he was forbid to do it so no

after that attempt he pull

I dont think he can do another

[surreal lava]

are item identifiers canon?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

sure i guess

nothing say otherwise

[untold warren]

if we count the Tutorial quest, yeah?

[surreal lava]

oh true

[frozen turtle]

i mean,item identifiers are useful considering probably a lot of weapons look the same

so i could imagijne them being real

[surreal lava]

are the boxes loot comes in canon?

[frozen turtle]

its all canon

[slim belfry]

well idfk

[hybrid gazelle]

you are wrong

becuase he literally offer you teleportation scroll

with free smaple

so it was all his teleport scroll work

[hybrid gazelle]

if it did went public

[frozen turtle]

does the teleport scroll work

or

[hybrid gazelle]

then we would not have airship lol

[frozen turtle]

where does it tp to

[nocturne nimbus]

I think those free samples are the ones that teleport you randomly

[hybrid gazelle]

yes it work

[frozen turtle]

what quest is this

[hybrid gazelle]

Fallen Delievery

[mossy badge]

Why don't ppl just use warps, are they stupid 🤯

[lavish knot]

What if the limit for the scrolls other than timer is that you cant carry much?

[mossy badge]

What "physical ramifications" anyway

[surreal lava]

does death allow us to teleprot without a cost?

[frozen turtle]

Old mage

[mossy badge]

The -hpr ig

[slim belfry]

the fun negative stats

[mossy badge]

What does that mean

/kill for fast travel? 🔥

[surreal lava]

death the entity

[untold warren]

in lore, is this dude just a random homeless hobo asking people to party?

[surreal lava]

the real one not the toa one

[hybrid gazelle]

Teleprot scroll so far in fallen delievery does not seems to have downside

and like

soul point been remove

and I think BYG have some tie to now removed soul point mechanic

doesn ot matter anyway

it getting tweak sooner or later

good fukcing god

[surreal lava]

byg?

[frozen turtle]

tell that to the Old Mage

[hybrid gazelle]

Beyond the grave

[surreal lava]

ah

[hybrid gazelle]

I am aware of the old mage

[fathom burrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/car-huh-cat-kitten-o1pWpHPHw2JbLDUQLb

[hybrid gazelle]

I just not sure where you getting at

[slim belfry]

I'd like to think that teleport charges is mana partitioned for scrolls in a way

[untold warren]

whose top and boots are these gng

they look poor

[nocturne nimbus]

is this Poor Town?

[frozen turtle]

I just dont think scrolls exist (at least the way the player has them) if Gawrick is teleporting people randomly to the old amge

[whole river]

Given the majority of people have no armor he seems decently equipped

[hybrid gazelle]

probably as magic seems to need a cost

[untold warren]

hyloch

[hybrid gazelle]

in wyncnraft setting

the in game TP scrolls is not canon yes

[untold warren]

why is Room 2 open?

[hybrid gazelle]

as explain in Fallen delievery of why no such thing exist

cause teleportation being commerical bring up a whole lot of world building issue

that you might as well have no society if you make one

[frozen turtle]

the wiki doesnt seem the list what "scroll" he gives the player

which is weird

does he even give a scroll

[mossy badge]

Nope

Removed thing

Its only in place now

Can't carry em

[surreal lava]

the scrolls might need nexus/centered points to actually work properly which is why society still exists

[nocturne nimbus]

I think what he gave you was what he now does for you

Basically teleports you to a random place

[frozen turtle]

yeah that makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

scrolls needing nexus doesn ot fix anything

[frozen turtle]

he can teleport you but not accurately with some danger to it

[hybrid gazelle]

it still problem to society

where you give this instant transportation to a person

[nocturne nimbus]

It was probably removed for being abusable

[hybrid gazelle]

that cant be modereated

[frozen turtle]

they should let the player instant tp randomly

[hybrid gazelle]

How do you track down criminals if they suddenly teleport somewhere else and then use nexus to go fuck off nowhere

[frozen turtle]

like

[hybrid gazelle]

like you just cant

[frozen turtle]

anywhere

[uneven basin]

idk why they removed it taking a piece of your mind since it's not related to the game scrolls

[hybrid gazelle]

teleportation just cant be made commericalize

Ernold make a good point

[surreal lava]

it's also pretty expensive given what the on the line quest says is expensive for frumans

[slim belfry]

yeah I dont really know the canonicity of tp scrolls I was just guessing

[hybrid gazelle]

it dfoes not seems to be expensive consider it's piece of pape r

and the oine that randomly teleport you is sold as 2 EB

[uneven basin]

magic piece of paper !

[hybrid gazelle]

you can say that it just gameplay or prototype

it still just would not work

in society

no matterh ow expensive you can make it

it still probably less expensive than taking airship LOL

[surreal lava]

it probably takes significantly more magic for the centered ones and most people can't survive the wild

[hybrid gazelle]

and if it IS more expensive than taking airship

then what the point

[surreal lava]

it's instant

[hybrid gazelle]

you know what I

I dont relaly know wtf you talking about at this point

so sure why not

[frozen turtle]

instant, probably cant bring belongings id assume

[hybrid gazelle]

I gotta write how scroll work for wartorn man

I have a goal to try to use existing proff stuff into canon

like scroll being magical items that use itself as the cost

because by rule of wynncraft magic system

spell casting need a cost to happen

[surreal lava]

no it doesn't where does it say that?

[frozen turtle]

easiest way to say for Wynn is just that scrolls use mana cost to teleport but it takes too much mana to get accurate teleports so it kinda just spits you randomly

[surreal lava]

ah

i thought for some reason only personal spells costed stuff in the form of mana for some reason

also is there ever a point at which physical items are used to cast magic other than as a a catalyst

[slim belfry]

holy shoot the last line is manaweavers

[surreal lava]

it's also electromages

[frozen turtle]

Gawrick foresaw Sui

[slim belfry]

ehh

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea of scroll being this

commonality itnroduce by villagers as early magical items for those who cant use magic

or not well verse in magical art yet

so scroll essentially just does the magic for the users

so your average farmers who don't have the budget to do magic

[uneven basin]

speaking of teleports isn't it crazy that aledar can instantly take us from the black road to the roots

[hybrid gazelle]

would be able to use it as self defense

[hybrid gazelle]

notice how this does not brought up again

because AJB is AJB

Fruma did a good job by not relying too much on teleportation randomly

because for case liek AJB, it jsut a massive plot hole

and it just make Aledar fucking stupid

[slim belfry]

fruma casually introducing 3 forms of teleportation lol

[surreal lava]

i mean old man martin also teleports us but old man martin is old man martin

[hybrid gazelle]

So far only in Fruma

[uneven basin]

there are a few quests with such teleports iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

only Majin and The queen can teleport

[frozen turtle]

Two

[hybrid gazelle]

Gikyo at least you can say they become slimey form to traverse

[slim belfry]

Two can

[frozen turtle]

as well

[hybrid gazelle]

than other Two too

but yeah

other than that

those 3 are like fine

[surreal lava]

two makes since though with the mirrors

[hybrid gazelle]

and the way they being use in the story does not feeling jarring as much as Aledar

[uneven basin]

Do doguns actually teleport of do we think it's just lava fast travel

[frozen turtle]

and tbf their teleport came from RoW power

[hybrid gazelle]

I have 0 fucking idea

[surreal lava]

lava fast travel probably

[frozen turtle]

so its

[uneven basin]

cause I think it's the later but what do we know

[frozen turtle]

like fine

[slim belfry]

I was shocked about aledar I was like "wait how come nobody else can do this"

[hybrid gazelle]

Telvu can do it

back then early day

or like

whatever you call

pre Fruma fuckery

or pre good writing era

[slim belfry]

telvu is special there

[hybrid gazelle]

back then teleportation is just a crunch

so player would not waste their time traveling

which is ike fine

it's noble intention

you dont want player to travel long distance

but then it become a problem of "why the fuck wont they do this"

but yeah Fruma dont do that naymore

[frozen turtle]

they've discovered instead of teleporting they can just go "Travel with X" and tp them like that

which is great

[hybrid gazelle]

so it example of how Wynncraft writing getting better

and more considerate

[slim belfry]

wait hold on
- knows about time valley door
- similar clothes to people in EO entrance
is telvu an olm?

[uneven basin]

exemple of wynncraft writing getting better is ava just carrying you around

[frozen turtle]

honestly just wipe the rest of wynn and start from scratch

[uneven basin]

that's rightmake it frumacraft

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH this is better than teleportation but again it come with problem of

is Ava fucking lift?

like

this is fully grown person we talking about

[uneven basin]

she's got a magnet

[slim belfry]

she used a magnet to carry us

[hybrid gazelle]

Ava must be fucking beefed up

[hybrid gazelle]

I want you

to get a magnet

and lift some heavy stuff with a magnet now

[surreal lava]

avo's in general are probably way stronger than humans anyways and she has the magnet

[uneven basin]

hey it's electromagic corkus big magnet

[hybrid gazelle]

that does not explain shit that still like

[uneven basin]

but yeah she's probably fit af

[hybrid gazelle]

magic bullshti that make 0 sense to me

but yeah

she probalbly fit as fuck

[slim belfry]

I mean it's electromagic on a magnet

[hybrid gazelle]

that do not explain anything

consider what we know about electromagic

electromagic doesn ot fucking render weight to 0

in FACT

[surreal lava]

i mean she can keep up with us at level 80 something and we have gone through a lot by that point

[hybrid gazelle]

why the fuck magnet need electromagic

that like

[dim plover]

NPC moment

[hybrid gazelle]

that like

what does it need electricity for???

[dim plover]

electromagnet

[slim belfry]

do you know how magnets work

[uneven basin]

miracles

[slim belfry]

or how they're related to electricity

[hybrid gazelle]

yes but what we leearn from electromagic

is more about making machinery

with both theoritcal

and partical

oh wait

I forgot you guys not in

oh nvm fuck man

I dont think lexnt post it here

[surreal lava]

?

[slim belfry]

story spoilers?

[hybrid gazelle]

it not spoiler

[slim belfry]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

it just some extra world building stuff that I asked her

[surreal lava]

ah

[hybrid gazelle]

about how electromagic work for my wartorn project

but yeah no literally it would not make a magnet that just render stuff to 0 weight lol

you just get very advance magnet and that literally it

[surreal lava]

very advance magnet pull more thing ig and avo's are fit

[slim belfry]

on a related note can we infer the difference between electromagic and electricity

[nocturne nimbus]

it's wynncraft, you're always going to need a very large dose of suspension of disbelief

[hybrid gazelle]

well

Soosu did showcase that

there are different between electromagic and electricity

[ashen smelt]

im gonna guess electromagic is magic

[hybrid gazelle]

as she capble of making industrial revolution without the knowledge of the corkian
I THINK

like I THINK here

[surreal lava]

electricity is literally lightning where as electromagic uses the mana strands

[slim belfry]

ah so it's like what I said before that'd make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

Electromagic is a sub branch of thunder magic

and uhh

let me find it first

it very like complicated I have to look back

basically from what I remember

electromagic is more of a PROCESS of making machinery

rather than something that you always use

so there are pratical and therotical side

as example Maxie is someone who is good at therotical side of electromagic

[untold warren]

I'm starting to regret my old messages

[hybrid gazelle]

as he capable of designing machine and device

[slim belfry]

it's funny being a computer engineer and looking into this

[surreal lava]

whereas ava is better at practical

[hybrid gazelle]

BUT

[untold warren]

Too freaky for my liking

[hybrid gazelle]

pratical is when you actually get down and make it

I feel like

the way I interept this

electromagic is how you turn thunder magic into usable energy for your machinery

[surreal lava]

electromagic is physics?

[hybrid gazelle]

theortical is how you go to design the thunder magic to oprate your machinery

while praticle is how you get thunder magic to actually operate your machinery

[surreal lava]

maxie is a physicist and ava is an enginer basically?

[untold warren]

Its just an artificer

[surreal lava]

pretty much

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah I still have hard time trying to udnerstand it

[surreal lava]

i mean nobody fully understands wynns lore lol

[lavish knot]

Older wynn lore tends to be anything goes

[slim belfry]

OK

reading more I can see the difference

electricity seems to be just
electricity

electromagic seems to be specialized only for machinery

with all the bots and microchips being the main component

[slim belfry]

probably back to here

I was thinking when I first learned about electromagic "oh do they use flowing magic for circuits"

hmm

I wonder if they be used to make similar things

[dim plover]

Still z-fighting lol

[slim belfry]

z-fighting? in my fruma?

[full jackal]

you don’t say

[slender copper]

Yeah it happens twice.

[sick quest]

there is no war in the walls of fruma

[digital swan]

@dim plover wait are you the one who made that one FakeFruma video of Lari and someone followed by a pan to a level 999 Evil and Intimidating Horse

I need this video I think

for the Evil and Intimidating Horse

[slender copper]

You mean Ava? lmao

[digital swan]

I can't remember jack shit

so prolly

[narrow kestrel]

mfw communication MIGHT solve problems

[hybrid gazelle]

it does not matter nayway the queen is too set on her way

[whole river]

She deserved this for thinking my fit wasn’t fly when I won the tourney and choosing second place smh

[full jackal]

anathema is way too delusional to recognize that

[formal bridge]

Tbf this is more representative of the queen's biggest flaw as a whole

She never really saw humanity and Fruma as individuals who were on the same level as her intellectually

You are to get in line, and if you disagree then you must disagree with everything she stands for. There is no room for misunderstanding, only agreement or dissent

[rustic nexus]

you never really won the tournament

that fight with tasim was just training

not the actual fight

even before the fight, the queen says tasim was more impressive than us, so that unseen training match means nothing

the player is just a sore loser

[whole river]

Tasim is not beating the player

[slender copper]

I don't recall it was the queen that gave the news on why they choose Tasim, wasn't it Two that said we were unpredictable and dangerous?

[whole river]

I’m so serious tasim even with a gift from Fruma queen couldn’t beat us

[rustic nexus]

yes

[whole river]

Also yeah it wasn’t cuz he was stronger it’s because he has a personality. And he’s predictable for the queen to control

[rustic nexus]

but in the one to one talk with the player, she says that tasim has made much more of an impression than us

yea

but still

[whole river]

There’s no still

[rustic nexus]

we're losers for not winning over the queen

[whole river]

Nothing indicates it was strength

[slender copper]

As they could be, ||they need to be mained /j||

[hybrid gazelle]

the queen said it herself the citeria in EoH

[rustic nexus]

yea

[whole river]

Tasim a lil loyal boy

[rustic nexus]

though

how the fuck are we meant to show loyalty in a duel 😭

[whole river]

In the talk with the queen

Tasim probably told her about his findings in gavel about Orphion and saphanis destroying the world

[rustic nexus]

we weren't given the chance to speak!!!

[whole river]

And his despair with that is what she latched onto to offer him a “better way” aka being loyal to her

[hybrid gazelle]

also reminder

that queen's blessing depending on an indivudal

so it oculd be just that the queen does not see us having charaistic to have the blessing that she want

consider the selected person would go to Dern

[whole river]

Wonder what our gift would be

[rustic nexus]

well, the queen doesn't know what blessing a person would get

[slender copper]

lol even Majin was curious about that.

[hybrid gazelle]

my theoryu is that

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but I think they know that blessing take form dependent of the person

so they likely just get rough estimate

[rustic nexus]

5 extra ability points

[hybrid gazelle]

and just see Tasim has better chance of getting the blessing that they needed

rather than gamble it on player

that probably why she call us blank slate and indifferent among the thousands

because if that how we appear to her

can she really be sure if the blessing will take form in a way she hope it to be

on topic of blessing

I have theory that the queen's blessing from her shell

kwnoing her shell is created by the manipulation of the Weave to hold the strand in order to make her shell

[slender copper]

Oh? That was the describe us? I thought she meant that as in everyone who came to the tournament.

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure that also eveyrone else too

I think it depend on you view it

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like

the reason other soverigns blessing take form into more "normal"

huge quotation

while Bak'al and Lari blessing are more directly connected to their respective influence that they get blessing from

is that the queen's shell blessing influence by the weave during the process

therefore the sovereigns have affinity for other type of magic like elemental, cosmic, and time

becuase their blessing extended or involve with the Weave

rather than just Corruption related

[rustic nexus]

interesting...

[hybrid gazelle]

But IDk my explain just very shitty

but like I just think the reason soverign blessing unlike Bak'al or Lari is because of the Weave

tbh this theory did not explain why would this take away queen's power

but my guess is that fragment of her power translate and transform by the shell mid process

but IDK I am so fucking bad at explainning dude

but there 100% definitely explaination to why soverigns blessing are a lot different

[rustic nexus]

I mean, there's also the fact that anathema blessing bak'al was like a nuclear bomb on his body, while with her shell, it's much much more controlled

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but that does not really explain how does corruption turn into cosmic magic or time magic LOL

since I dont think those two are related

but I Feel like having the weave involve would explain everything

and why the blessing is DEPENDENT on the peron

EITHER THT

or this is just my rough thinking

The way process of the blessing work

[warm flicker]

i thought the reason for this was because, as demonstrated by us breaking into the library, we were far more difficult to control/influence compared to Tasim, despite our fighting capabilities we are still not completely aligned

[hybrid gazelle]

is that the realm beast attatch prat of themselves to an blessed invidual and connected them to the force

so for Bak'al case

Anathema use part of herself to connect Bak'al with War

hence his power over Corruption

BUT

with her shell

she use part of herself to connect each soverign with the Weave

[rustic nexus]

maybe as her base form, blessing an individual is unfiltered, unconnected and damaging to the weave that surrounds a person
but with the shell, that blessing is passing through the layers and layers of the weave, and maybe like, in such a way it doesn't clash against established weave connections around individuals but merely enhances them?

[hybrid gazelle]

so it not that the blessed people got their power from Anathema but ANathema use herself as a bridge to connect to the larger whole

[narrow kestrel]

rex was mogging his ass the entire time

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

that could work too

but like

it not merely enchancement

Majin literally never aware of cosmic magic until his blessing

like barely any of soverigns are once cursed so this cant be just mere enchancement

[rustic nexus]

ok I didn't go over that specific part

so like, my idea is, we already know people have affinities for specific elements or combinations

what if that is because an individual is "wrapped around" specific elemental threads of the weave

and her majesty's blessing simply allows those already wrapped threads to be used more efficiently

however the unfiltered blessing clashes and strips the established threads on an individual

and since everything is of the elements, stripping something of them is destroying it

and would lead to bak'als whole right side

or how we see it on the player, insta death

that's at least my theory on it

really we just don't know enough about the weave to form solid ideas I think

[hybrid gazelle]

Hmmm

Yeah true

[rustic nexus]

like, in the auburn chapter, we are told people are linked more to specific elements, with syndra and zeph having fire and air respectively

so I guess it would make sense that they have more connections to specific elemental threads of the weave

and given some elemental groupings are tied to some concepts

it's definitely possible

rainbow is usually tied to cosmic bs

so if majin unknowingly was tied in with all 5 elements, it would kind of make sense that his blessing would turn into cosmic power

when powering up the nasin charm, the magic you feel from soosu is described as earth based

so likely she had an affinity for the earth element before ascending

if this is the case, then the player's blessing could be a bajillion different things, since you can always switch your build and the elements you focus on

so really, it would most likely just be more skill/ability points

[slender copper]

I don't believe archetypes/stat points are canon... they're apart of gameplay, not lore.

[rustic nexus]

yes I know

but like

if what I said about blessings was the case

you couldn't give a "lore accurate" player blessing

unless you go with something again based on rainbow like cosmic magic

[cedar kernel]

Void based blessing

[rustic nexus]

lmfao

[cedar kernel]

Our character is inherently nothing with something plastered over them

[slender copper]

True, true. It will also probably create a lot of confusion if our player was up to our interpretation with an established blessing.

[rustic nexus]

yea

that too

[slender copper]

"There's nothing here, how am I supposed to get use out of this??"

[rustic nexus]

thinking more on it, I really like this theory actually

I never wrote it out as a coherent thing

[cedar kernel]

Vessel from HK

[atomic hamlet]

The player’s blessing unlocks the entire ability tree at once

[rustic nexus]

lol

[solar ingot]

Remember when in beta, every element combo had their own name? (ex: ETW being Chaos)

Why was that removed? It was cool

[mossy badge]

Wtf when was that

[rustic nexus]

yeah I wish it was kept

I remember that

it was fun

[mossy badge]

Is there a screenshot/list/anything about this? I dont remember it

Ok i found it, hive master armor had them in the name the entire time huh

[rustic nexus]

ah

interesting

[mossy badge]

So the forgery is "anima"

Man looking at these names it feels ai generated bs 😭

[rustic nexus]

god forbid a person be verbose in our day and age 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Imagine if ocean related update come out and we get actual water mount that replace boat

Water mount probably useless in most case unless you are in mid game

But hey at least it something

[whole river]

They have to make the ocean area worth visiting

[summer bluff]

Water mount but it's just an upgradable boat

[sick quest]

Lowkey a hippocampus-esque creature would go crazy in a water update

[hybrid gazelle]

It just straight up boat

That yoh can breed and feed

[sick quest]

Or if not a hippocampus maybe a sea dragon

Or even just a seahorse

[sick quest]

Yo mayor of hyloch we gotta have a serious convo abt your city planning

[hybrid gazelle]

Each islands in the ocean deserve its own remake

Beside isle of fiction

[summer bluff]

I keep TRYING to improve it but sovereign majin NEVER approves my city plans!!!
Some bs like "oh, why change it when it's already perfect" and "it's been like that since I was a boy, you'll live." Sometimes I wish I could explode him with my mind

[whole river]

Well we just got update of a rebel attack in hyloch and you’re not gonna believe who just got killed mayor

[sick quest]

Dude now that hes dead you can actually fix shit

Off with the nobles heads innit

[summer bluff]

Oh no way, right when the festival is happening?? That's gotta... hm. I can work with this

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THE SKY???

[rustic nexus]

oh yeah

did the thalas lineage end with majin btw

[summer bluff]

No

Maybe idk

[rustic nexus]

cuz we know majin had no one

but we don't really learn anything else

the whole house is empty when we visit

and even after

[sick quest]

Think the forecast said something about a thunderstorm

Shouldnt be that bad tho

Clearing up in a few hours

[rustic nexus]

majin was finally given permission to eliminate house nasin

wouldn't it be funny that with that permission though, house thalas dies and house nasin lives

[summer bluff]

with RED LIGHTNING???

[drifting aurora]

there was never going to be a final duel. the final decision of the tournament came in her one on one conversations

[slender copper]

Good news about the recent events of Apotheosis.

[sick quest]

Pollution yk

[sick quest]

Because anathema sucks

[summer bluff]

I swear if this is another one of Sovereign soosu's projects gone haywire...

[sick quest]

Anyways does the Mayor of Hyloch have any thoughts about the recent removal of the Fruman Queen

With the only remaining sovereigns being Zhiraok Soosu and the new one Tasim

[drifting aurora]

oru's still kicking

[rustic nexus]

did you read my weave theory...

I'm very curious to learn how it actually works

[drifting aurora]

i think so? about the sovereign blessings right

[rustic nexus]

yea

[sick quest]

Ah yeah i keep forgetting abt him

[summer bluff]

... oh Crown... all the paperwork. ..

😭

[summer bluff]

I Miss Graken

[sick quest]

Do you think that, with rumors of the outside world not being a desolate wasteland after all, you would move to establish trade relations with the other provinces?

Mr. Mayor what do you think about universalizing healthcare and establishing an aristocrat tax?

[summer bluff]

I am not in charge of trade relations, I just want to put in more public seating and bathrooms

[summer bluff]

In da works baybeee

[sick quest]

Your approval rating is soaring right now fr

[summer bluff]

They can't pay me off anymore, no money is worth the amount of paperwork those aristocratic fucks make me do

[mellow geyser]

I forgot you were the mayor

[whole river]

I wonder if the reason Oru isn’t involved with this entire rebellion is because he has to be present in Deraj to prevent a bigger cataclysmic event than a successful rebellion

[summer bluff]

So did majin, if all the city plan rejections are any indication

[rustic nexus]

most likely

my theory is that oru's blessing is what gives the "gravity" in "gravity's monolith"

aka he leaves, the prison becomes way easier to break out of

[whole river]

That’s interesting ooo. that could mean they might have a prisoner there that, under no circumstances, should be released (inb4 player releases them)

[rustic nexus]

I think it's cuz like

a lot of the prisoners at deraj would've been called cursed

even if they're not, it's best to keep good security in case they are

[summer bluff]

WAIT THEY MINE IN DERAJ

[whole river]

Prison break but ten times more chaotic

[summer bluff]

WHAT IF THEYRE MININH FOR CHANGELINGS

[rustic nexus]

yeah

like

in the project hallowground file

they referenced they put prisoners to mine all around the wastelands

so it's likely they mined for changelings too

when the wells were drying up

[summer bluff]

Ik but I didn't make the connection that the deraj prison is a mining encampment

[rustic nexus]

well

not only

[summer bluff]

I thought that was like. Just a punishment

[rustic nexus]

they put the prisoners to the mines

be it for resources or changelings

a secret thalas???

[summer bluff]

Shhhhhj

[rustic nexus]

whar...

[summer bluff]

How do they explain the newborn changelings to the miners?

[rustic nexus]

why should they

inquisitors are at play in the wastelands

as hallowground files seem to indicate

[summer bluff]

I always forgor abt the memory magic

[rustic nexus]

clearly you've been inquisitored

[summer bluff]

Muy fukin LONG TERM MEMORY NOOOOOOO

[rustic nexus]

you do not remember ruling over hyloch, you do not remember the mistwoods' sovereign

[hybrid gazelle]

I wanna homebrew memory magic

[summer bluff]

(I don't think that The Mayor has met the gikster but) where am i... what is this clustered town.....

[hybrid gazelle]

I wonder how should I categorize magic now lol

I just gonna habe cosmic magic in place of space magic

And I don’t thjnk time magic ever given a name

I just gonna call it temporal

[rustic nexus]

that works

[fringe kelp]

Is Caid Rex's brother?
From what I can tell he fits the description and they even look somewhat similar.

[sick quest]

my og theory when we first heard about rexs brother was that rexs brother was aledar

though we are far far from that theory now

[slender eagle]

if u talk to caid after recover the past he'll say he had a sister
it's all but confirmed at this point lol

[sick quest]

do we know what Oru looks like

or anything else about Oru

[formal bridge]

I think we know about as much about Oru as we do about most old sovereigns

They exist

they had some thoughts about things

That's about it lmao

[regal spire]

We do. They’ve got a portrait

[exotic bough]

Gorgeous is all I’ll say

[shut mist]

Oru is a cat then

Incredible

[ember coyote]

i just finished apotheosis

damn

it was rlly good

[shut mist]

It is

[formal bridge]

the queen found a cat she liked when she entered the world and that was one of her first sovereigns

she named the cat oru

[ember coyote]

i knew it was good but i thought it would be like hollow serenity-level good

lwk didnt know wynncraft could do this typa stuff

[formal bridge]

that basically describes all of fruma lmao

The worst quest in the whole region is probably like... Undersupply due to just being a generic good guy side quest, or maybe Strong Survive for a bit wonky mechanics and pacing. But they're still leagues above most, if not all other quests in the entirety of wynn lmao

[eternal arch]

alright pixelrift, day 1 of asking for a liff leaf leaderboard

[gleaming apex]

This connects to my 100% serious theory that Anathema actually had an intense craving to eat Liff Leaves.

[ember coyote]

yeh

tbh i think a good suggestion for wynn team would be to update some of the gavel quests

or like lvl 50- lvl 70 range

[formal bridge]

Yeah it's been talked about here before but like, everything is going to get a revamp lmao

[ember coyote]

yippee

still dont understand why hypixel skyblock is more popular than wynn tho

[formal bridge]

It's just a matter of dev team time and size

[ember coyote]

ig

[gleaming apex]

I will say the first half of gavel other than RoL was by far the most bored I was playing

[ember coyote]

yea same

RoL was p good tbh

i think its over hated on

[zenith coral]

more content ig

[ember coyote]

prob just cus of lari tho

[ember coyote]

but i mean like... hypixel skyblock is just repetitive grind

can that rlly be considered as more content?

[zenith coral]

well you can waste hours on it. some people just want to do something

[gleaming apex]

Brand recognition and big name YouTubers back in the day

[slim belfry]

^

[ember coyote]

Ig yea

[zenith coral]

so was fruma our corruption realm arc all along? is that storyline finished?

[ember coyote]

Idk

[slim belfry]

seemed to take up most of it

[ember coyote]

I don't rlly think corruption can die but probably is over

[slim belfry]

before fruma there were some of us suspicious of the lack of corruption from mid to endgame

[shut mist]

Corruption is never gonna stop

[formal bridge]

I think corruption is definitely going to get more of a presence in another wynn revamp in future

[slim belfry]

yeah bak'al

[formal bridge]

but it's palce is the story is just going to be background noise essentially

And Bak'al kind of

[shut mist]

The only way to defeat it is to close the portal

||like anathema said, she will come back as a blank slate||

[zenith coral]

what a waste imo

maybe i just wanted a full scale corruption outbreak

since we never had that

[sick quest]

Bak'al kinda a non-villain so far

[zenith coral]

in lore its a time of peace

[sick quest]

Only really fleshed out in SDs and AHC

I mean we could get more of a corruption outbreak in an update before Dern maybe

[regal spire]

Ba’kal the least prominent villain in the game, but has the most narrative importance out of anyone

[slim belfry]

wynn is still fighting corruption all over give them a break

[regal spire]

Charon gets more screen time than this fucker

[zenith coral]

https://giphy.com/gifs/undertale-gaster-mystery-man-Xu2RoftiA8N1ul1gD0

[regal spire]

They have to be in the game to count as a character, first

[zenith coral]

like i said in-lore corruption is very tame rn

[regal spire]

Gaster might as well be made up. Everyone knows that Gaster was just supposed to be a personified version of the “every game is personalized” shit

[shut mist]

It spreads a lot slower since bak’al left

[zenith coral]

its picking up steam every year apparentley

[shut mist]

Still

Its spreading very slowly

[regal spire]

The reason it has slowed down is the recruitment program/Bob

[shut mist]

True

[regal spire]

Ba’kal almost destroyed Wynn, brosephi. They’ve had, like, maybe 100 years worth of progress to fix stuff up?

[shut mist]

And us too ig

[slim belfry]

all I can think about is Gaster being very much Toby's narrative self-insert and that implies he might be a little silly

[zenith coral]

is it bad i want the wynncraft map to update slowly over updates with the corruption slowly expanding and more corruption spots appearing?

[shut mist]

Anni tried entering 3 times and got repelled 3 times

[regal spire]

I genuinely believe that it’s just supposed to be putting a character to weird game Easter eggs/glitches. His mind being shattered across time and space just kinda confirms that for me

[zenith coral]

i actually have a silly crack theory that everyone in deltarune is a gaster fragment

[slim belfry]

that's what the egg man is for not Gaster 🤫

[zenith coral]

indeed. gaster cant lay eggs so he cant be the eggman

[slim belfry]

that did not have to be said 😭

[regal spire]

The Egg Man represents that, and a few other things. All of which have motifs to Gaster, but if Gaster’s just the personification of glitches in games (or even games in general), then that would make sense to be similar to them

[zenith coral]

actually can monsters lay eggs? gaster very would could be able to... uh

[zenith coral]

actually maybe friend is glitches

[regal spire]

Id be more inclined to believe that the egg man was purely meant to represent old video game easter eggs (being what Deltarune’s general aesthetic matches the best to), but they’ve got such an insane amount of repression motifs hidden in their character that I can’t possibly say it’s just that

[regal spire]

Friend seems more like the subconscious manifestations of a person’s dark world

Dark worlds are so fucking cool, now that we know concepts and memories can create characters in them

[zenith coral]

a bit too specific there. it could also be the personification of rng, or literally an imaginary friend

[slim belfry]

it can be both because dreams can be very random

[zenith coral]

yeah i know that last statement is dumb

[regal spire]

If it’s the latter, I think that trails back to what I think it is. Friend seems to be common in areas specifically made by Kris

[gleaming apex]

I just figured it out. The lighthouse is so big because Anathema is a moth

[zenith coral]

wasnt there a whole bunch of evidence that friend is more of a noelle thing

[regal spire]

That is indeed the joke

[summer bluff]

ah, busta is back

[regal spire]

It’s prominent for both of them

[zenith coral]

this implies a lot of things

[slim belfry]

oh nononono

[regal spire]

Noelle and Kris seem to share a common trauma

[slim belfry]

the nightmare in the form of the knight's hand

[gleaming apex]

Like her crippling Liff leaf addiction

[slim belfry]

the shadow mantle holder

[regal spire]

Gulp

[zenith coral]

friend is the subconscious memory of the one who abducted dess?

[regal spire]

It could be the physical manifestation of their fear, or that repressed knowledge

[slim belfry]

nightmare is still such an enigma

that fricking thing possibly even has a fun value in undertale dedicated to it

[zenith coral]

i meant more that every night at 3 am anathema hugs the lighthouse bulb

[regal spire]

I think the nightmare section is still one of my favorite things ever

[slim belfry]

SERIOUSLY WHO ARE YOU

[zenith coral]

wait wha

who nightmare?

[regal spire]

The shadow mantle dude, I thought they were called that

Ig they’re Eram

Or whatever

[zenith coral]

huh. everyone called him eram i thought. He was the pizza box

[regal spire]

Still, that entire section of the game was so genuinely amazing

I love when light horror plays on nostalgia

[zenith coral]

actually now that i think about it you guys think the optional superboss of the game (just for the challenge) could be ICE-E?

[regal spire]

I think it being so heavy with nostalgia really hits hard

[zenith coral]

Toby fox should make a horror game

[regal spire]

The problem with making a game dedicated to horror is that you’re going into it with knowledge of what it’s trying to be

[slim belfry]

eram is the theme playing before the boss
its real name is currently unknown but internally called nightmare

[zenith coral]

at any point i hope deltarune gets a whole horror section. at this point it seems very possible

[regal spire]

Chapter 3’s secret gives off that horror vibe perfectly, ngl

[slim belfry]

sword route my beloved

[regal spire]

It’s light, ofc, but it’s just enough to feel stressed, which is, like the pinnacle of horror

[zenith coral]

whaddya guys think of the kris is the vessel theory?

[regal spire]

Sounds like it’s what was implied, if you’re not talking about the one we made at the beginning

[zenith coral]

indeed im talking bout the one that was discarded

[regal spire]

Idk how it could be Kris. It doesn’t look anything like my bald loser with type d blood type

[zenith coral]

well theres a whole theory from spookydood (the genius who made the 6 7 theory, and friend inside me)

[regal spire]

I fug wit 6 7 theory

[zenith coral]

its funny cuz the theory makes lots of sense

[regal spire]

Chapter 5 on the 7th of June, or 6th of July

[slim belfry]

what happens if it's neither

[regal spire]

Kill Tobias

[zenith coral]

it will release on the 25th of december

with a message from a very graphic dess corpse with friends smile behind it

[regal spire]

What do you guys think of the Dess is a Giftree theory

Giftrot? What’re they called

[zenith coral]

dess is prolly learning eldritch rock music and jamming with azathoths band

[regal spire]

There’s this Instagram account that has this analog horror style artwork of Dess dead theory

Really fucking cool

[zenith coral]

you guys think gikyos still alive?

i saw that theory

the whole rurie manic episode at majins (his lovers) death, the clones he can make (him saying ruries visage would have more uses)

[shut mist]

He might but considering even the queen sais hes dead ...

I think hes dead

[zenith coral]

and them returning in the wastelands for the big changeling lore dump

i feel like its possible

[slim belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399831978072739901/1500252573326643270/image-84.png?ex=6a059a56&is=6a0448d6&hm=31e0ff299ea313bf835f97ed0f6eab38fab25554864de0a131ae66aa1764357b&

[zenith coral]

sadly i prolly contributed to the birth of this more than anyone :C

also edit gikyos face over the pennywise in the sewers picture

[sick quest]

If gikyo is still alive im burning the wastelands to the ground

Hate that mfer

[zenith coral]

i love their hoodie

[sick quest]

I rly hope wastelands is connected to void or moon

[zenith coral]

i feel like they could have crushed moras skull into paste infront of sui before kicking mora into a wall, but thats just me

[sick quest]

They tortured Mora (and tortured me in that annoying ass boss battle)

Six phases

Of me kicking and screaming

[zenith coral]

they are ironically one of the easiest imo (i died like 50 times cuz my build is pants apparentley)

[mossy widget]

they

[sick quest]

Mb mb sorry

[zenith coral]

thx

[sick quest]

They may suck and be evil and horrible to fight but we respect pronouns in this household

[sick quest]

I died like 10 times to gikyo

I oneshotted tasim and got the queen and majin in 3

But jeez

[zenith coral]

wow you must be way more skilled than me

[sick quest]

Hate that shi

[zenith coral]

i died on all the bosses atleast 10 times

[sick quest]

No no no trust me im not

[tribal crystal]

How does Adwell maintain a population... Unless its over like 500 I doubt they reach the replacement rate

[earnest prairie]

its easy honestly until a certain SOMEONE starts making 5 shockwaves every 3 seconds

[sick quest]

I literally full-swapped through lightbender riftwalker and arcanist several times for that fight

Started out a devout arcanist now im fully a riftwalker

After the trauma of gikyo

[zenith coral]

in the end i could only beat all the bosses by seeking help from other players

[earnest prairie]

me but with majin and tasim. nasin was ez

mostly bc the server was uh. lagging

[zenith coral]

zephra upperscream burst is just pants

and i still use it :C

[earnest prairie]

NASIN may be able to manipulate his body speed but hes no match for WORLD LAG (this is canon)

[granite gate]

friend is a demon that kris and cattie summoned

[zenith coral]

you guys agree that anathema modeled her body after bak'al?

[sick quest]

Nasin gets one shot by any single movement spell

[sick quest]

Nah she modeled her body after Aledar to tempt Tasim w that ginger rizz

[zenith coral]

i think bak'al left her cuz she became a human (he loves monsters)

[granite gate]

wasnt he the only human she had ever seen up until her entry

[zenith coral]

yup

hence the theory

[granite gate]

ok yeah probably then

[zenith coral]

also the hair

[granite gate]

unless he brought her a painting of some girl and said "do this"

🤷‍♂️ r

[sick quest]

Saphanis a baddie and that was enough for Bak’al

[tribal crystal]

Gale is better than Magin in every way

[zenith coral]

whaddya guys think bout majins death? it seemy very sus to me (i think he monkey pawed himself)

[tribal crystal]

He deserved a worse death he should have had time to process that his body was exploding and screamed

His death was to quick

[shut mist]

It was forshadowed by the notes in his castle

[mossy widget]

ye he died too happy

[zenith coral]

hence my theory that he did ascend and become something more... he ego-deathed into a cosmic force that does nothin

he ascended above everyone else into the stars he loved so much

[tribal crystal]

His spirit crash landed on the moon and is now an aimless ghost

[shut mist]

Ig his soul wasent shattered

[tribal crystal]

He cant control his cosmeic powers

[zenith coral]

nah i am talking full horror ego death. he is now a super powerfull cosmic force that does nothing

[sick quest]

His spirit became that eldritch space monster from the sky islands lootrun

[zenith coral]

https://giphy.com/gifs/leroypatterson-wish-monkey-paw-fSGqUm3IcVBESFM0hK

[shut mist]

I wonder if thats worse

[sick quest]

I do love that concept

[tribal crystal]

LOL

[sick quest]

And itd be a very fitting end for an egomaniac

[tribal crystal]

Nah all he did was become part of the stars themselves

[zenith coral]

it just seems so fitting

[tribal crystal]

yup

Became part of the metoers power with no control

[zenith coral]

basically he became that one thing from bloodborne (oden? or smth)

[sick quest]

I wonder if Gale would ever visit the highlands w majins death

[zenith coral]

not the meteors imo

[sick quest]

That fraud is folded

[tribal crystal]

And the queen

[shut mist]

Rip aledars soul

[tribal crystal]

Magin did nothing good

[zenith coral]

prolly well tell her in the next wynnter and she responds with 'who'?

[sick quest]

Wait wait wait

[tribal crystal]

He was carrying off the back of the previous highland soverigns

[sick quest]

Since aledars soul has been sacrificed

To get access to EO

[shut mist]

It was shattered

[sick quest]

What if we see aledars spirit in dern

[shut mist]

No

[tribal crystal]

Its inside a chestplate actully

[shut mist]

His soul is broken

[sick quest]

I hope Tasim comes w us to Dern (even tho i hate that fascist fraud)

[tribal crystal]

Alander's soul is in a festival of the spirits chestplate

[shut mist]

We arent seeing him again

[tribal crystal]

They are dead
Majin deserved to have a comic moment of realization before he died.

[zenith coral]

really? thats hilarious, we should give it to tasim

[tribal crystal]

I suggested that during the hero beta and CT and motorators shouted at me

[spring kernel]

Alander

[shut mist]

Just saying, even if we had the power to revive someone, we cant bring aledar back

[zenith coral]

brainblat into eldritch truth into egodeath, for all of majins brilliance he ended like most cosmic magic users, fleeting like a meteor before he crashed into earth

[spring kernel]

His spirit was destroyed

[tribal crystal]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Phantasmal_Hostage

[shut mist]

Thats what i said ...

[shut mist]

.

[zenith coral]

we could put him together into a robot

[tribal crystal]

"A soul sacrificed willingly, to an eternity in captivity. Imprints and memories; all that remain of a hero of the lands."
This was confirmed years ago to be Alander

[zenith coral]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fnaf-five-nights-at-freddys-william-afton-2Sg8b4dH18NdsoIEFM

[shut mist]

That wouldent work

[sick quest]

🎶its been so long🎶

[tribal crystal]

They fell off

https://klipy.com/gifs/purple-man-dancing--k01KRHJR2ZRVH3RE8WDX7AZN46V

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but im sure us reenacting williams whole thing for aledar wont go wrong in the slightest, right old sport?

tasim could be our michael

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He doesent have a soul. Not anymore

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well it was a whole fnaf reference due to the whole 'youre broken ill put you back together' thing

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Yes lets stuff tasim with metal rods

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Hes jking

[shut mist]

I dident get it

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shattered souls isnt a problem, innovation is key, let us forget death

we just need to innovate a solution

theres no problem we cant fix with enough tech and imagination

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Theres nothing that cant be fixed by a yellow rabbit suit and sheer hate

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and VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGAS

(dsaf reference)

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I thought this was abt to be some fallout shi

The house always wins

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do you guys think a alternate wynncraft gamemode where you play during an full blown corruption takeover as some soldier would be heat? full grimdark corrupted everything

cuz we never really got to see those things

and prolly never will

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Yeah thatd be hype

Honestly exchange it for hunted mode after AHC

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forgery timeline ig. the equivalent to the shattered skyrim mod, everyone is dead and annihilations are walking around

and we get to meet all our friends from basegame as corrupted abominations we have to put down

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I mean I lowkey imagine that forgery timeline is pretty AHC adjacent (even tho there are some obvious lore issues like Theorick/IB)

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actually wouldnt that be the timeline where we are missing? the whole thing of two which mentions our absence destabilizes everything?

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i have a very dirty mind

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The innuendo was intended lmfao

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Wdym?

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idk two is so vague and the admins dont wanna explain anything. but she says now that we are a recognized variable without us all the shards destabilize

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Also AHC kinda has us absent? But also we play as a villain

So i guess AHC and forgery both include the PC

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i meant the bad timeline comes because we arent there

[shut mist]

Theres a part of AHC thats in the future after we did stuff

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except thats wrong

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True

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because the bosses recognize us

whats going on

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Because of FF

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corrupted ff give us some answers

[shut mist]

Exactly

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Corrupted FF should probably intersect w AHC a bit

Imagine if we ever got a corrupted EO

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like its clear that SOMETHING happened in the forgery timeline but we have no idea what

[shut mist]

Idk if thats possible

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Yeah like all of the bosses spontaneously return and the corruption wins ig?

[shut mist]

Since corruption would have to spread through darkness

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corrupted ff should be a whole new dungeon cuz now anytikyhera knows what not to do (he couldve killed us whenever and just let us do as it wanted cuz it was amused)

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I mean I imagine it would be just because it would be what happens if the corruption takes over the silent expanse

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Idk if thats possible

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Like if darkness can spread through light and vice versa whats to say corruption cant do the same

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well if corruption can spread though light who says darkness is immune

[shut mist]

Its inferior

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But its still a realm of influence

[shut mist]

Anathema sais shes inferior

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Ohhh yeah thatd be hype

The factory goes at us full force

[shut mist]

In theory light/dark is stronger then war

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No games

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yeah thats a plot point, he couldve stopped us at many points but just chose not to cuz lol why not im bored

so now well get a new dungeon effectiveley

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But it might still be possible since the forgery timeline has corruption take over everything

Even ive

Ice

[shut mist]

Worse case scenario saphanis rips off his arm

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Which is supposed to be a sort of antigen for corruption

[shut mist]

And we get EO all over again

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nah with saphanis being a eldritch being chances are it has enough eyes to have us be swarmed by eyes it can pluck from itself

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I mean corrupted EO would probably be the corruption at its strongest—> the corruption overtakes Saphanis’s eyes

[shut mist]

What if it only has 2

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And like if we the random ass PC can beat the EO maybe corruption at its strongest can too

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the timeline where bak'al black zetsus saphanis successfully (might still happen in game tbh)

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I just think itd be a missed opportunity to not consider designing a corrupted EO

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well pc isnt random at all