📚lore_discussion

[whole river]

Bro vanishmogged me

[paper wyvern]

ugh if I had a fubuki this wouldnt be a problem

but noooo it has to be the most fucking expensive weapon

for some reasosn

[marble lantern]

SE still has a Quest req. last i checked (a week ago)

[drifting aurora]

i meant fruma

[paper wyvern]

you unlocked alt route 2 where fruma never happens because taism is depressed in a bar instead of joining the tournament

[marble lantern]

oh thats fine

[dim plover]

Can't the player still enter Fruma though

Eventually they'll remember on their own that there's a way into Fruma via the Ragni Castle (we already did post-Queen's Recruit) and then break into the province for shits and giggles

[mossy widget]

Tasim is looking to catch up in Detlas at [431, 70, -1576]

[mossy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[dim plover]

(The Queen realizes that the Wynn Soldier will do anything that people write in their Content Book regardless of how immoral or contradictory the instructions are)

[paper wyvern]

So I swapped to an architect build in order to nto die during the taism fight and that worked in the worst way possible

cant die in the fight if theres no fight amirite

[summer bluff]

Quest Complete!
+10 LE
+unidentified Turncoat
+1 frumillion exp

[dim plover]

Anything for the LE

I legitimately think that if the quest has you slaughter like a hundred innocent NPCs for 5 extra LE in the quest reward loads of players will just go for it with zero hesitation

You can already see in an Iron Heart where people come here asking which route gives the better rewards

[rustic nexus]

you mean the first scenario of ahc

[dim plover]

Sorry I meant like, as an alt route

[summer bluff]

100 npcs isn't even that much zhiraok should just stop crying abt it already

[rustic nexus]

ah

[dim plover]

That's a 100 variables too much lost

[rustic nexus]

I mean....

the route with the best rewards is also the route that is the obvious choice

it's immoral, but it's for the betterment of two provinces

[dim plover]

Yeah but I mean that players asking about the better reward route is the telling part here

[summer bluff]

Wynncraft should have more alt routes where the morally bad option gives better rewards

[dim plover]

Regardless of what the rewards are, the fact that players ask before completing the quest basically means that they're willing to pick the route with the better rewards

[summer bluff]

I think telling on urikal gives the better reward iirc

[dim plover]

I want alt routes where the choice is actually difficult

[vestal rivet]

you get more emeralds immediately with the "evil" route
but the real money is in selling the pants you get lol

[dim plover]

When I was writing up my FakeFruma I wanted the choice between Sohso and Xingxing to be a genuinely tough one

[vestal rivet]

tm buys it readily for some reason

[dim plover]

But to do that I needed to write Sohso as a really likeable character because I'm like 95% confident that most people will go for the big cuddly dragon despite it never having spoke a word in the questline

And I didn't really want a reward incentive either but I realized that sparing Xingxing grants you an item that's essentially a delayed infinite tp scroll

[rustic nexus]

I can't wait for people to unironically side with orphion and let him destroy the world in the dern expansion simply because fox deer thing

[dim plover]

Tbh that'll depend on DB's look

[atomic hamlet]

play.wynncraft.com

Tracked Quest:
Equinox
Slay Orphion and claim victory for Saphanis.

Daily Objective:
Trade 24E with level 1-10 newbie: 0/1

[rustic nexus]

fair

[dim plover]

If DB looks cooler that might be different

Even if DB is literally Orphion but with a different color palette I feel like people will pick them over Orphion because more people like the Lovecraftian aesthetic more

Probably

[rustic nexus]

saphanis vs orphion debate is just gonna be furries vs monsterlovers

[dim plover]

Well no I guess biblical's pretty cool as well

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262010576295821312/1378744823162343545/dernwalk.gif?ex=68e7c92d&is=68e677ad&hm=c830ce7f0fd523f1a37e9b475db4a51215379255903088160f8b67e160945e21&

Look at that flame blue tail

[rustic nexus]

I'm still betting on saphanis being part octopus/squid inspired

[slim belfry]

oh my gosh it's saphanis

[whole river]

Why shouldn’t the physical plane not simply devour the planes of influence

[rustic nexus]

wtf spoilers

[dim plover]

We don't have an apparent beast as far as I can tell

(That and we aren't a realm)

[rustic nexus]

I mean

[stray karma]

Are you sure ? 👀

[rustic nexus]

technically it's a realm?

[dim plover]

The player is the Beast of Physicality

[rustic nexus]

I guess?

[dim plover]

It isn't

[whole river]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-itadori-aura-aura-farming-gif-9807322128249797765

[dim plover]

Like, it really isn't

[atomic hamlet]

The options for Saphanis are likely 1: bird, 2: cephalopod, and 3: reptile

[whole river]

It’s us

(TRUST)

[dim plover]

The three realms of influence make up their own plane

[atomic hamlet]

Cow used to be on the menu is but is no longer

[dim plover]

And our world is the other plane

[rustic nexus]

so what you're saying is

[dim plover]

The realms of influence are what they are because they aren't like, physical

[rustic nexus]

we're stronger and can eat the influence realms

[dim plover]

we're stronger
are we though

[whole river]

Why shouldn’t humanity take the next step. Who needs Orphion and saphanis

[slim belfry]

the physical world apparently dictates how the influences are to a small extent it's weird

[rustic nexus]

we lack a beast of sort, if we had one light and dark would be cooked I bet

~~what if that's what we do in the dern expansion, make a physicality beast ~~

[stray karma]

Moth acting like we can't kill both lol

[slim belfry]

the real solution is to send the whole world into the void

nobody wins

||plus that is what happens in alt future fruma anyway so||

[stray karma]

I think we are just a beast of violence

The fact that we kill whetever we feel like killing has been addressed several times now

And we're not very strong but always stronger than what we fight somehow

[stray karma]

It isn't that bad in void village
But also I don't think they're protected from influence, the realms are just not interested

[slim belfry]

the war on the physical world was the only way war was able to come into existence

it holds value

[unique pumice]

We are the manifestation of the physical world (in a "beast") which is why we have no memories and the queen saw something familiar in us

Prove me wrong

[stray karma]

Strange that war appeared in another realm, completely disconnected at first

[slim belfry]

because it's an influence

think of it like this

@dim plover correct me if this sounds wrong

the brain is the physical world and the influences are like the ideas in the mindspace

you can have ideas go into your brain to influence actions, but these actions can also bring in more ideas

and so a new idea can be formed in the mindspace

[stray karma]

That would be odd since we realm of influence supposeddly existed first

[slim belfry]

we don't know that

[slender copper]

Because there isn't enough evidence to either support or disprove lol.

[slim belfry]

the realms of influences discovered the physical world not that it never existed yet

[stray karma]

Weren't the tree saying that for a long time there was only light and darkness and suddenly the pysical plane appeared?

[unique pumice]

Ummm i just gave u the evidence to support it

[slim belfry]

.

[slender copper]

We don't know if what the queen saw in us was related to anything beast related, since it was cut off when Anathema died. Our memory situation is also up to debate, since in the ARG, the room our memories were removed in are very different from the room Tasim was in. There appears to be circulating theories that the "lack" of memory thing was simply to allow players to interpret their character's backstory as their own thing.

So both of those evidence are... incredibly up to interpretation and not stable enough.

[slim belfry]

I'll go by my distinct dialogue option foci theory for interpretation

I need to make a list of baby theories I have

[slim belfry]

in short:
focusing on the weapon dialogue focuses on you, which is up to interpretation
focusing on inside you dialogue focuses on something else, which is not up to interpretation

[drifting aurora]

the room our memories were removed in are very different from the room Tasim was in.
its the same room

[slender copper]

...did they update the quest? In the ARG the room had a butterfly banner while the room Tasim was in was completly made of stone on all sides.

[drifting aurora]

yeah it got updated for fruma

it's also the room he's being brainwashed in during the trailer

[slender copper]

Ah, I see. My mistake then, lol

[slim belfry]

oh that's neat confirmation

[drifting aurora]

i am confirming a thing you can go see in game right now

[slim belfry]

OH

it was updated in RTP?

[drifting aurora]

yes

[slim belfry]

ohhhhh

should probably replay a class each time a major update comes out

[warm flicker]

guys i think i found out how to get the alternate dialogue

[slim belfry]

dialogue pops up

[dim plover]

Hey I already made that joke

[snow kiln]

There was a bug on alpha where I could take aledar out of SE

So I just had tasim looking at me saying man I wish I could talk to aledar

😭

[slim belfry]

I think someone had an image like that

hold up what if the scavenger and hoarder are ancient people of some sort

there was an old convo barely touching on this but didnt get deep enough

ugh trying to come up with something but not enough info

[unique pumice]

void corrupted olm

but fr though theres really not a lot to go off of and i doubt there were lore considerations when OV was added

although connecting him to the hoarder was an interesting choice

[gleaming apex]

Alright, new (crack) theory: the Player is random chance personified. The queen recognizes whatever is within us because we are slightly related to chaos. The reason we have no background is because we lost everything by chance. We have infinite potential because of the nature of randomness. And that's why we have to deal with random gear and stupid mythic dry streaks

[unique pumice]

Realm of chance

[vestal rivet]

Gambling Incarnate

[wise thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ares-god-of-war-xwp-xena-warrior-princess-kevin-tod-smith-gif-25365725

[gleaming apex]

But actually I was thinking, the queen says how the soldiers without memories had more potential because of it. What if the emptiness inside of us and our lack of literally anything before the start of the game was caused by us on purpose. Removing literally everything from ourselves to grant us the potential to fix the world.

[nocturne nimbus]

gambling beast...

[astral void]

We are the gambling realm's beast

We're the gambling beast all along

[gleaming apex]

I mean the funny thing is it's not impossible

[drifting aurora]

there were lore considerations when OV was added

[regal spire]

There’s the mythic OV drop that gives quite a bit of implied lore

[gleaming apex]

OV is close to OJ. Orange juice is made from fruit. The void is actually a giant fruit and the realms are seeds. Anathema is a moth. Moths come from caterpillars. Caterpillars eat leaves. Leaves in the wind. Anathema secretly has an addiction to eating liff leaves and that's why she likes the forest. Where am I going with this

Real theory crafting hours

[signal bough]

would you say the Eldritch Outlook is inhabited?

[dim plover]

It’s inhabited by the things you see during the dungeon I guess

[unique pumice]

Yeah the archaic writing, though the lore for that seems unrelated to OV origins (i think at least, seems to be about runes and transmutation)

[gleaming apex]

Eyes. Dern has eyes. Eyeball plant. Toothaches. Saphanis has a big toothache so they try growing eyeball plants but Anathema keeps eating the leaves.

[regal spire]

Who’s to say that this part of the void isn’t specifically affected by that

[unique pumice]

i suppose

when it was added ct said there wasnt enough info to decipher it and idt anything new re: that has been added and anybody has come close (apart from guessing the runes that fit in) so everythings gonna be speculation until they decide to expand on that bit of lore

[gleaming apex]

Runes. Runes are elements. Periodic table. The world of Wynn is actually made up of ultra high density elements from the island of stability and radiating strange effects

What the hell am I saying

I need to sleep

[unique pumice]

I think runes do correspond to elements

[gleaming apex]

Too much hard monster

Goodnight

[signal bough]

elements(classical)

[sick quest]

runes = elements = stats

which means that maybe the last thing we're missing is the 6th rune/6th element?

for door

[unique pumice]

Whats the 6th stat

Or even the 6th element

[slim belfry]

there is no 6th element check your skill crystal

do you see a 6th? no

[sharp mango]

the element of harmony

[signal bough]

the element of Colossal Rat

[sick quest]

darkness

[violet tiger]

I mean the quest to get to the silent expanse directly mentioned the 6th secret element of darkness-
It seems like the Realms of Influence create their own elements, aka Light, Darkness, and Corruption.

[sick quest]

it gets explained in the Silent Expanse questline

They explicitly state that there are 6 elements not five

[violet tiger]

I'd say that Light and Corruption probably are the same, and thus there are technically 8 elements.

[sick quest]

Which means that there should be a sixth rune (maybe even two extra if Light and Corruption also are elements)

yeah

[violet tiger]

Plus, we've kind of already seen said runes.
The very symbols on the Realm Beasts themselves.

[sick quest]

We can also reverse-engineer the world building here and question why Thunder, Fire, Water, Earth, and Air are elements--> does this imply elemental planes? Garaheth/the D&D storyline does imply some sort of fire/demon plane

But yeah there are not just five elements so the rune door might need more runes than the five

[violet tiger]

I'd say it's probably more that the Plane of Physicality has 5 inherent elements, as the runes combined have been repeatedly stated and shown to control reality, whether it be time magic or the Colossuses, and that each Plane of Influence carries its own element that embodies it.

[sick quest]

Yeah thats fair

Do we know which rune is which element yet?

[violet tiger]

It also could use something completely different. Frankly, the door itself has no lore, so we can't know anything for certain.

[sick quest]

Yeah just that its WTP-related and runic

[nocturne nimbus]

darkness element is an outdated thing

[sick quest]

it reacts to runes we just dont know how much yet

[sick quest]

Oof awwww rly?

Thats disappointing

[unique pumice]

I think they are going to retcon darkness out

[violet tiger]

Actually, yeah. The powder exchange exchanges all but one, so we can fill in that last one.
Nii=Fire
Uth=Air
Tol=Earth
Ek=Thunder
Az=Water

[unique pumice]

Oh someone mentioned that already

[sick quest]

Thats a big retcon so the SE quest rly needs a full revamp

[unique pumice]

Well its mentioned once and like never again

So the retcon makes sense

[violet tiger]

Anyone have a link to an actual statement regarding that?
I agree the retcon makes sense, but I want to make sure.

[unique pumice]

Ur not gonna get more actual than a ct saying it

[nocturne nimbus]

source: me

nah but this is pretty authoritative

[violet tiger]

Ah-
I didn't see your rank.
Forgive me, it's 1 am.

[nocturne nimbus]

generally, don't trust what random CT say about the lore, they're generally more wrong than right

but in this case it's actually true

[unique pumice]

Some ct u can trust more than others though

[sick quest]

out of curiousity how do ppl join the ct?

[unique pumice]

Apply

[sick quest]

where?

[dim plover]

A Salted UFO flies above their house and beams them up

[nocturne nimbus]

https://ct.wynncraft.com/apply

[dim plover]

Now it’s the cows that are doing the alien abduction
How the tables have turned

[violet tiger]

Sudden flashbacks to CraftedMovie just happened in my brain lmao

[drifting aurora]

darkness element is annoying to get rid of because you cant just edit the dialogue, the scene itself needs to be edited

which isnt impossible or even hard necessarily but it means its something that gets put off till later constantly

[unique pumice]

wonder if you'd know if there are any roles particularly in demand

[dim plover]

I want to know how the new Wynncraft skyboxes work

[drifting aurora]

shaders

[hybrid gazelle]

the current fruma lore even disregard corruption as element as well

and by extension Dark and light

[unique pumice]

was corruption ever even considered an element

or element-like

[dim plover]

Initially I assumed that they were just massive display entities that act as skyboxes but no I checked, they’re genuinely just skyboxes

[hybrid gazelle]

iit made up of Light and Dark

[nocturne nimbus]

not sure, but builders are pretty much always in demand

[dim plover]

Or rather it follows the camera when I view a replay recording

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like IF

and I say big IF

dark and light were element

then corruption would be one too

but since Fruma story say corruption it not

[signal bough]

they seem adjacent to elements

[unique pumice]

Even with that logic u can combine elements doesnt necessarily mean the output is an element in fact thats kinda the point of an element

The most basic form of something

[drifting aurora]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

Corruption is wrird

cause there like

fucking entire grookwart section focus on teaching you about corruption

which dub as
"Corruption Magic"

which is

weird

[dim plover]

Corruption is the fire element obviously

(This means that there will be 2 more realms that are earth and air-themed to pair up with the 5 elements)

[nocturne nimbus]

There being an x magic, doesn't mean there's an x element

There's time magic, there's no time element

[unique pumice]

The dialogue doesnt necessarily call it a magic no?

[dim plover]

Yeah there is, Salted told me himself

[unique pumice]

Magical in nature maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that is Corruption itself is a magic

or like

there is a magic in relation of corruption

[unique pumice]

Teacher: Now... Corruption is a force of nature of...some description. Yes, you heard me right. We don't actually know much about it.

[hybrid gazelle]

that what I am wondering

[dim plover]

What does magic even mean in this case

[signal bough]

that there is a force that can build and sustain entities and spells

[sick quest]

Corruption Magic, Time Magic, Elemental Magic, Light Magic, Darkness Magic, Electromagic, Nature Magic, Manaweaving

Am I missing anything else?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDFK about nature magic

[signal bough]

manaweaving isnt a magic

[hybrid gazelle]

I will be real

[drifting aurora]

electromagic is just a subset of thunder magic

[hybrid gazelle]

I always ifnd that term to be very weird

[dim plover]

@sick quest I saw your username a few seconds ago and read it as TheTrueFury and now it seems a lot less cool

[signal bough]

Manaweaving is just a way to access magic

[sick quest]

🙁 truefury was taken

[hybrid gazelle]

and i feel like manaweaving is just higher form of magic that only used by few indivudal

[sick quest]

i checked

[unique pumice]

Shamanism/Druidism mentioned in grookwarts not sure where that falls

[hybrid gazelle]

so far from how Sui describe it

[sick quest]

ahhh ok

[dim plover]

Manaweaving is water because mana is blue

[hybrid gazelle]

Manaweaver capable of drawing mana from an infinite source

[unique pumice]

Might just be a subset of nature magic being a subset of elemental magic

[hybrid gazelle]

but overall

[sick quest]

probably part of the avos nature magic?

[hybrid gazelle]

thew ay she cast her magic still pretty normal

Shamanis/druidism is just a way to cast magic

it wrird

weird

[dim plover]

Sui doesn’t use a focus so she’s already pretty busted all things considered

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK why it only ever call that

[sick quest]

but nature magic is a specific thing? not just a way to cast

[nocturne nimbus]

I mean keep in mind that people in-universe won't have a perfect schematic view of how things actually work

[unique pumice]

Not sure u can necessarily partition magic anyways i feel like theres too many different types and its a very fluid thing

[hybrid gazelle]

the world itself is made up of element

so by that logic

elemental magic is nature magic

[signal bough]

I would like their best theories tho

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase by very nature of all thing are made of element

so it like

[sick quest]

by nature magic i mean plant magic

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

which is what Earth is

[sick quest]

you right you right

[hybrid gazelle]

grookwart said that tree is part of earth element LOL

[sick quest]

ah ok

[unique pumice]

Like what kind of magic would the queen's blessings fall into?

[signal bough]

oh yeah

[sick quest]

probably corruption?

[full jackal]

War maybe?

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean

like she magic she casting normally?

in her shell?

[signal bough]

90% of her blessings are fake

[unique pumice]

But it doesnt necessarily corrupt the individuals who receive the blessings, which is the nature of corruption magic

[sick quest]

yeah but its still using Corruption/War as a source

But also War != Anathema, so maybe Anathema != Corruption?

[unique pumice]

Corruption can defy death? I guess its possible

[signal bough]

I think Syndra was just given a magical weapon and taught how to use some magic

and this is called a blessing given by the Queen

[sick quest]

if anything id say her magic is separate from her weapon her weapons just a conduit

[unique pumice]

Like the ones that the sovereigns get though

They seem stronger than just magic harnessed through a conduit

[signal bough]

the sovereigns do generally have cooler stuff

[sick quest]

I mean the magic of the sovereigns is just an elevated form of a blessing

[unique pumice]

And its like they instantly get it, not that they're trained to figure that magic out. Also seems like something that can be given or taken, but thats going off of memory

[unique pumice]

Cosmic magic too i think?

[sick quest]

Oh yeah u right

The shit that sends us to the moon

Which is also pretty correlated to Majin's blessing

[signal bough]

blessings could theoretically be the real deal but that would mean that there's hundreds of scions running around fruma

[unique pumice]

And the meteor associated stuff

[unique pumice]

Nah i think the scions have a special blessing that also keeps them immortal

[sick quest]

But a blessing doesnt mean you become a scion

Yeah

[signal bough]

they just drink immortality water

constantly

[sick quest]

Like there are multiple people that wield Light//light-adjacent magic and theyre not all orphions scions

[unique pumice]

I figure theres two types of blessings, one thats given to the general public to control their magic and one given to scions during their ascendancy process that actually gives them strong powers. No weapon would allow u to assume the powers of people you shapeshift into (unless major ids are canon idk)

[sick quest]

Also the queens blessings arent just handed out like nothing

[signal bough]

the easier answer here is that the general public blessings are fake

[sick quest]

Theyre given to specially chosen soldiers

Like that one general from strong survive

And syndra

[unique pumice]

Could very well be true too, another power tactic

The general public blessings is just giving them a magic weapon

[signal bough]

like the two options here are

[sick quest]

i just dont think theyre given to the general public

I just think theres a tier below sovereigns thats just strong soldiers and inquisitors

[signal bough]

1. queen can somehow modulate a blessing she gives and there's a hundred scions in fruma at any given time
2. the Queen just gives people some class-based training after a fake ceremony

[sick quest]

Option 3: she can give a smaller portion of magic to someone such that theyre not a scion just an ordinary soldier

[signal bough]

that would still be a scion right?

[sick quest]

Like ascension to a sovereign is just a huge thing

Id be surprised if she didnt have a way to do less

Not all of orphions creatures and soldiers are scions

[signal bough]

I would say orphion can use the power of his realm to imbue creatures

the queen has to use personal power

[sick quest]

isnt that the same as anathema

anathema is literally the realm beast of war

[unique pumice]

Random theory but maybe the queens blessing to the sovereigns actually does begin to corrupt the sovereigns and since we know corruption affects people in different ways (and i assume it exponentiates your worst traits) so it could be responsible for why soosu is so depressed, majin is such an asshole, gikyo is a psychopath etc. Zhiraok is more normal since he was the latest to become one and therefore the corruption hasnt hit him as hard yet.

[sick quest]

yeah i like that

that tracks

[signal bough]

yeah we need to figure out why the sovereigns arent corrupted

or if they are, how

Zhiraok IS a workaholic

[unique pumice]

True, I feel like thats not as much of a "negative" trait though but as he stays blessed with the corruption that could be the direction in takes him in, like prioritizing work and efficiency over everything even if it means making unethical decisions

[sick quest]

Zhiraok is greed (not financial, but a singleminded obsession for progress, efficiency, etc), Soosu is sloth (not laziness but moreso in an early christian sense of depression), Gikyo is gluttony/indulgence, Majin is pride/vainglory, Two is envy

[signal bough]

you forgot the raid on the steel feather HQ

[unique pumice]

I would say gikyo is more wrath

Or maybe thats the queen

[sick quest]

thats fair i just was saving wrath for anathema

given anathema is pure hatred

[unique pumice]

Yeah i could see both

[cedar kernel]

Are we going circles of hell or seven sins

[unique pumice]

How would u give envy to two

[sick quest]

seven sins/eight evil thoughts

[cedar kernel]

Two is weird

[sick quest]

actually yeah envy is probably tasim

[cedar kernel]

Just in everything

They seem both the least and most powerful

[unique pumice]

yeah i was going to say tasim fits better for envy

[signal bough]

where's the doomed yaoi sin

[unique pumice]

Which leaves lust for two...

[cedar kernel]

Do you think two will get fought in wastelands or will they specifically avoid us

[signal bough]

there's Oru as well

[unique pumice]

Tell me 3 things about oru

[cedar kernel]

Uhhhh they’re the second oldest sovereign

Their blessing helps them keep prisoners locked up

[signal bough]

he keeps a very tight personal schedule, and he manages Deraj prison

[cedar kernel]

If this theory is to be true, then in what way is two “corrupted”

[sick quest]

lust is also interpreted as lust for power/lust as obsession in some early theology

*early being medieval

[cedar kernel]

They seem to be the most independent of Queen/Anathema, seeking the goal of balance of the realms

[sick quest]

The seven deadly sins/eight evil thoughts are rather complicated/fluid (only rly interesting/unique ones are sloth and melancholia)

[unique pumice]

We dont know much about two's origin. Or much about them at all, so its hard to say. Im sure shes done something evil/dark to obtain her status

For all we know two is a being incapable of being corrupted

[cedar kernel]

They literally have a mask that’s both dark and light

They’ve been in contact to both the light and the dark somehow, but they have never entered either realm

[sick quest]

yeah if anything i almost feel that Two might be the part of War that isnt entirely hateful

[cedar kernel]

They’re a kander warlock that teleported themselves to queen

[sick quest]

War is the child of Orphion and Saphanis; two is half light half dark

[signal bough]

she's also in old fruman dress

[sick quest]

If Anathema is pure hate, the direct child of Orphion and Saphanis, and Two has been Anathema's oldest companion, Two is likely directly affiliated with the Weave

[cedar kernel]

Two is perhaps from the old fruman world?

[cedar kernel]

Well, second oldest no?

[signal bough]

and the memory of hers seems to indicate she was on the fruman council

[cedar kernel]

Bak’al…

[cedar kernel]

Is this found in translated text

[signal bough]

yeah

actually nah

it's in the stele

[cedar kernel]

Council is referenced in both stela and “on power”

[sick quest]

yeah i still dont understand the Bak'al/Anathema/Two relationship

[cedar kernel]

Bak’al was before Anathema got out, Two was right after?

From what we know, queen interacted with Fruma council for a decent bit before eradicating them and going all control crazy

[sick quest]

i thought she create the modern fruman province?

and that there was something smaller there before

[signal bough]

it seems to have been bigger

[cedar kernel]

What was there before seemed to have stretched across the current known world of wynncraft

[signal bough]

given the stele lists it had colonies up to elkurn

[cedar kernel]

It probably had some connection with Gavel even

[signal bough]

guh

[sick quest]

where do we see all that

[signal bough]

the stele...

[brittle prism]

the thingy in the highlands-ragni ice cave passage cliff thing

[dim plover]

Two and Bak'al seem to have a half-face aesthetic

[cedar kernel]

Stela

But as for the gavel idea that’s different

That stems from the increased presence of runes and presence of wynnic in Gavel

Someone had to bring ancient wynnic there

[signal bough]

well the frumans didnt use ancient wynnic...

[brittle prism]

why was there modern Wynnic text on the stele then?

[signal bough]

idk

[cedar kernel]

Not modern

It was ancient

But by that point it’s assumed you are familiar with it

[brittle prism]

Well we could read it

oh

[cedar kernel]

It literally says that there are two sets of text, one in an unknown language and one in ancient wynnic

[brittle prism]

well it says "resembling modern wynnic"

[cedar kernel]

Ohhh

Modern wynnic probably came as a pass down from the ancient wynnic of the Olm

[unique pumice]

Yeah mightve been a pidgin between the fruma humans and olms

[cedar kernel]

Something that intrigues me is the astronomers that Tefris refers to

[unique pumice]

Since it "resembles" modern wynnic

[cedar kernel]

Are they the Olmic astronomers?

[brittle prism]

What I'm thinking is that the "latin" alphabet was probably invented as an alternate alphabet for ancient Wynnic language (is ancient wynnic just a cypher in lore or is it just a cypher for gameplay purposes?) that fell out of use after ancient Wynnic script became popular but was brought back at one point for some reason

[unique pumice]

Damn i just found out about this ancient shrine shit and the mythic interaction is cool too, are there any other things like that in fruma?

[cedar kernel]

Id assume it’s a case of gameplay purposes because of how old wynncraft is

[brittle prism]

Hmm

[cedar kernel]

At that time the idea of another language was cool but there wasn’t the material to implement proper cryptography

[unique pumice]

Restitution has one too?? I never knew about these wtf

[cedar kernel]

Go looking for it and you shall receive

Forgotten chronicles are a bountiful reprieve

[unique pumice]

What do those do

[cedar kernel]

Set with fruman text

Also go do the houses divided secret discovery

And go to the mountains of the west

[unique pumice]

Ive done all secret discoveries

[cedar kernel]

Wellll go back and you might be able to think the next step

You might have missed something while reading

[unique pumice]

I got the transcriber

[cedar kernel]

Oh good

Ok as for western mountains that’s in roughworks

[unique pumice]

But the language isnt solved yet regardless right

[cedar kernel]

Not entirely

[unique pumice]

Interesting

Is there even enough info rn to solve it

[sick quest]

wait how do you do bakals destruction 2

i ust started doing secret discoveries

[sick quest]

just found it

[unique pumice]

Wdym

[sick quest]

im mad frustrated that you cant go into wynn through it

[unique pumice]

Just go on the wiki page

[sick quest]

in wynn the wiki tells me to look for a button and has some pictures but the pictures are completely diff from the coords it tells me to

[sick quest]

the stele feels like a good set up for a highlands ragni fast-travel passage

[unique pumice]

Damn mustve been changed then

[dim plover]

Wait does Ragni not have a fast travel to Fruma

[sick quest]

yeah thats what im guessing

[split night]

I just kinda rely a lot on my intuition if the wiki fails me

[unique pumice]

Lore wise it wouldnt make sense

[sick quest]

it has the one in the ragni palace to fort torann but its buggy asf and it only exists because of the quest

[split night]

most of the early secret discovery is fine, if the one you're talking about related to a tree then press the button and wait a bit

[sick quest]

thats why it should be a secret one

[split night]

the tree will open up

[sick quest]

ja i just need to find the button

[dim plover]

Ok but lore wise the gate also wouldn't open for other classes who haven't done the quests

I'm talking gameplay wise

[split night]

it's-

on the tree

like underneath it a bit

[sick quest]

i might be blind 😭

[split night]

xd

I do remember how to access that one so im pretty sure it's just like 1-2 block below the roots of the tree

press it and it should reveal a path

[unique pumice]

All of the fast travels make sense lore wise though

Kinda

[split night]

is it the one with a bunch of ghost around as well?

[sick quest]

dont see ghosts but ill look around

[split night]

you can get to nearly everywhere with detlas

like a central hub xd

im kinda sad that there isn't a fast travel to nemract

[unique pumice]

From deltas or in general

[sick quest]

OHHHH I WAS LOOKING IN THE WRONG SPOT

IM SO DUMB

[unique pumice]

Cuz detlas is close enough to nemract u dont really need fast travel

[sick quest]

IM SO STUPID I WAS LOOKING AT -120 INSTEAD OF 120

UGHHHHHH

IM SO MAD

[split night]

drom detlas

[unique pumice]

just fly to nemract

[sick quest]

someone the other day was talking abt what would happen if we (the player) were sent to wynn--> i would just want to improve infrastructure everywhere

do some city planning

[split night]

i mean Ragni is closer to Detlas technicall and you still have a fast travel
it's just kinda weird that Nemract is disconnected
this mean that we can't chain fast travel to tempo town or the rest of the ocean

xd

[sick quest]

yeah having a wagon connection would be rly nice

[frozen turtle]

there are two ways to get into Fruma via Ragni yet neither is a fast travel

[sick quest]

yeahhhh its rly frustrating for travel

[split night]

do we even count the main gate as fast travel?
we use Seaskipper to get there

[sick quest]

like when i end up in fruma i stay there for a while

[frozen turtle]

well its at least an entrance

[sick quest]

i tend to count seaskipper as fast travel?

[frozen turtle]

I think it would make sense to use the Journey Home thing

[unique pumice]

Seaskipper is def fast travel

[sick quest]

ragni OG entrance and seaskipper are only ways in right?

[nocturne nimbus]

who doesn't just use scrolls?

[split night]

a little bit troublesome
i wish Hyloch or Tismisca have like a hot air balloon that take us straight to here

[split night]

me

[sick quest]

the stele feels like it should def be open since you literally end up on a cliff overlooking ragni

[frozen turtle]

this is my map of fast travel

[sick quest]

scrolls can be frustrating when you run out of charges

and are also kinda unfun

[unique pumice]

pfinder wtp and complete raid and spawn in citadel

[split night]

they're stupid expensive and Train system in Fruma genuinely work so damn well that i never bother buying any other scroll beside Aspren Town

[sick quest]

pfinder is frustrating as well

like i tend to take seaskipper or cinfras/detlas travel because its more fun

scrolls be damned

thats why i use my mounts too

[unique pumice]

my guild just has one of every scroll in our gbank it saves everyone money and u dont really need to hold on to it

[sick quest]

im not in a guild

[split night]

This imply the person must be in a guild

[nocturne nimbus]

I mean more so when you're trying to get in/out of Fruma entirely, not when you're already in there

[sick quest]

fast travel is peak

[frozen turtle]

i tend not to use scrolls has much before end-game, just being able to travel using the world is ful

past that i just use scrolls to Espren, Ragni and Forgery

[slim belfry]

this is the 8th time you call it Aspren 🙃

[sick quest]

i mean yeah we're just saying itd be fun to have a fast travel

[split night]

charges from scroll
scroll feels like a lazy addition, fast travel better

[sick quest]

like ive used the seaskipper route a couple times (and the ragni route like twice) just for vibes

[frozen turtle]

I think it would make sense for the player to be able to re-enter via the tutorial area

[split night]

sorry I meant Auburn metropolis

[sick quest]

i think u can?

[frozen turtle]

can you?

[split night]

pretty sure you can't

[sick quest]

its the only other way in outside of seaskipper

[frozen turtle]

and even if so, its only 1 way

[split night]

never really try the back door entrance

[sick quest]

true

[unique pumice]

I genuinely think scroll charges are one of the most useless things in this game

[slim belfry]

it's going to be a way but not in yet

[frozen turtle]

Does the teleport place in Cinfras teleport you to fruma is the real question

[unique pumice]

The juggler?

[frozen turtle]

no no

[sick quest]

Nah that would be too op for juggler lmao

[frozen turtle]

not the juggler

[split night]

Either go nuts with Fast Travel or be lazy with scroll
the charges is ass as being the middle ground

[split night]

air ship

[frozen turtle]

I remember in Cinfras there is this house which you pay to get randomly teleported

lemme check

wiki

[split night]

I personally like the idea of fast travel from Corkus to Timisca with a hot air ballloon more

[sick quest]

Ohhh ueah

[split night]

it's just make sense

[unique pumice]

Thats a thing??

Ive never heard of it

[sick quest]

I mean any open and easy access fast travel out of fruma is kinda lore breaking

Thats why i dig a secret tunnel like the stele

[frozen turtle]

im tryna find it on wiki

[sick quest]

Or a wastelands airship since that area will be presumably post WTP

[unique pumice]

Gawrick

[unique pumice]

Okay hear me out two accidentally left one of her mirror portals in the palace

[frozen turtle]

yee Gawrick

[sick quest]

Dude a mirror portal would be so cool

Mirror portal into detlas or smthn

[unique pumice]

And since we're one of the only ones with access to the palace its not too lore breaking

[sick quest]

Or into Lutho maybe

Since Two is def gonna be Dern-relevant

And I always love more SE content

[unique pumice]

Mirror portal to dern

[split night]

SE literally have no fast travel, for gameplay this is either great or very ass

I meant like you can't really chain fast travel to get out of SE

xd

[frozen turtle]

the one way fast travel from Dern Portal to lutho 1000%

[sick quest]

Dude i take that portal just for shits & giggles

Mirror portal from WTP to Dern Portal maybe??? That would be hella aura

And from there you can fast-travel to Lutho

[unique pumice]

Damn u love ur fast travel huh

[frozen turtle]

Old Mage lore kinda crazy

[sick quest]

Its just a rly nice world mechanic thats highkey underdeveloped

[unique pumice]

True true

[frozen turtle]

trapped in a pocket dimension in between realms

[split night]

We all love Fast Travel

[sick quest]

Like the mage island tunnels need more

[split night]

Scroll are lazy

[sick quest]

[unique pumice]

I need a fast travel between bantisu and literally anywhere else

[sick quest]

Oh yeah

[unique pumice]

Preferably somewhere with a trade market

[split night]

like do you see the train system in Fruma, that is Fast Travel true potential

[unique pumice]

Especially if you're making wyverns exclusive to bantisu

[split night]

I love the train thing in Fruma

xd

[frozen turtle]

Mage island tunnel to jofash docks

[sick quest]

Bantisu-Cinfras or Bantisu-Thesead

[frozen turtle]

or even fruma gate

[sick quest]

Dude thats such a good idea

[unique pumice]

Yeah exactly

[sick quest]

Lowkey Jofash-Dern Portal & WTP-Dern Portal could set up Dern Portal as a new world hub

Since Jofash has that random ass Dern quest

[unique pumice]

Juggler should also be able to send us to olux

[slim belfry]

Troms-Llevigar fast travel when

[frozen turtle]

juggler only knows how to throw us east

[unique pumice]

Just turn around ??

[cedar kernel]

Rechargeable scroll

[unique pumice]

I feel like NW corner of the map like light and dark forest have nothing when it comes to fast travel

[sick quest]

More Troms fast-travels are essential

[cedar kernel]

And south (elfilim)

[sick quest]

Troms Tempo Town?

[frozen turtle]

i also think just olux, dark, llevigar to light forest needs some fast travel, its got the biggest gap of no fast travel (even most of gavels is just 1 way)

[unique pumice]

Is the tempo town nemract obelisk thing new? I just found out that was a thing

[cedar kernel]

Tbh with horses it’s somewhat ok

[sick quest]

This whole convo is us wanting more non-scroll fast travel

[slim belfry]

I believe it was from rekindled

[cedar kernel]

I’ve been playing ultimate Ironman in that level area recently

[unique pumice]

Damn

[frozen turtle]

its been around for a while but it still feels new to me

[cedar kernel]

I’ve been doing more quests in gavel than in Wynn, troms feels like it just has less content than olux and dark and Kander and light forest

[sick quest]

Rn the big fast travel hubs are Selchar and Cinfras

[cedar kernel]

Seaskipper (and nexus) go brrrrrr

[frozen turtle]

Dernel Jungel to Dern & Fruma fast travel when fr

[unique pumice]

Troms is also a pain in the ass to navigate

[sick quest]

Dern Portal—> Dernel, Jofash, Lutho, WTP

Thoughts?

[cedar kernel]

Wastelands dernel to fruma would make sense, some kind of new tunnel excavation quest

[sick quest]

Oh yeah also since both are very isolated areas it wouldnt be lorebreaking

[cedar kernel]

Mmmmmgm totally

[unique pumice]

I think WTP -> nether portal would make sense for fast travel

Weird corruption portal tunnels

[frozen turtle]

Would be good but also thinking kinda realistically i dont think dern portal would take us to any (except maybe Jofash) and ofc Lutho

[cedar kernel]

It’d be fun to have a quest that is essentially a post apotheosis/wtp effort to connect Wynn and Fruma

[frozen turtle]

Pretty sure Olm just walked over to Dernel

[sick quest]

Maybe you only unlock that after defeating Anathema?

[frozen turtle]

and WTP is RoW stuff so idk how you'd get there via dern

[sick quest]

The WTP justification would be Two-based

[frozen turtle]

ig yeah

[unique pumice]

Yeah that makes sense, and being as we can enter the corruption realm and we see annihiliations there i dont think it would be too out of reason to find a way to connect the portal to the WTP room

[sick quest]

But honestly if its just Jofash and Lutho id be happy

[cedar kernel]

Fruma needs fast travel to the outside worldddd

[sick quest]

Frrrr

[cedar kernel]

Just let us use the ragni to highlands tunnellll

[frozen turtle]

But if you're using the same spot for a bunch of other fast travel, they should have the same justification imo
Cause having like 4 fast travel in 1 spot but using different things to travel would be weird

[sick quest]

Yeah u right u right

[frozen turtle]

I think like

[sick quest]

Jofash-Dern would be a great way to make people actually go to jofash

Its one of those areas thats basically never used

[cedar kernel]

I love bread enthusiast

Jofash needs a quest dedicated to bread and just bread

Course ground wheat

[frozen turtle]

1. Dern to Jofash
2. Jofash Apart of Nexus
3. Ragni-Fruma fast travel
4. A gavel fast travel for the west side of the map (maybe like llevigar plains to kander forest or smth along those lines)

[frozen turtle]

best character yet lowkey

[cedar kernel]

How would dern to jofash make sense tho

[sick quest]

If we werent confined by game mechanics id simply, as skyraider queen, order my army to invade fruma lol

[frozen turtle]

gateway island

ig

[sick quest]

Gateway Island

[cedar kernel]

That doesn’t make sense

[frozen turtle]

or maybe

yeah true

[cedar kernel]

You go from jofash to gateway island to dern

[frozen turtle]

i mean

[sick quest]

Yeah like Nexus

[frozen turtle]

just pretend the player goes to gateway island or have it as an actual step maybe

Jofash boat to gateway island, island to dern but quicker, and this can be done both ways

[sick quest]

Gateway Island could be a way to build out a realm hub actually

[cedar kernel]

Honestly goat of lvl 75 is detlas to letvus balloon

[sick quest]

Gateway—> Portal to Dern, RoL, Portal to Corruption/WTP

[frozen turtle]

Best fast travel:

1. Nexus
2. Cinfras Detlas
3. Fruma Train

[sick quest]

Lowkey Fruma Train network #1

[cedar kernel]

Don’t diss fruma train

[frozen turtle]

Corkus province fast travel lowkey underrated

[cedar kernel]

It’s the easiest to use

[frozen turtle]

Only reason Fruma is lowest is because we only use it for like 10-20 levels

[cedar kernel]

Best built

[frozen turtle]

while Nexus and Cinfras-Detlas is used for so long

[sick quest]

Yeah fair shit

[frozen turtle]

great fast travel, but niche kinda

[cedar kernel]

Nexus is used for like only 20 levels after you unlock it

[sick quest]

I own the Pirate Island and Mage Island scrolls lmao

[cedar kernel]

Maybe less

[frozen turtle]

I still use Nexus for travel

[cedar kernel]

Why not own every scroll

[frozen turtle]

and its great for ocean

[cedar kernel]

Seaskipper my G

[sick quest]

Yeah I own every one except I think some random tower scroll

And im still a scroll hater

[split night]

I use it like everytime i'm in Fruma because like i usually use scroll to geto Auburn Metropolis and take the train to the citadel to restock my pots

xd

[cedar kernel]

Do you own Aldorei scroll

[sick quest]

Yup

[frozen turtle]

yeah, iti s a very good fast travel

For Fruma though

[unique pumice]

Kandon beda - corkus fast travel for trade market post tcc underrated

[cedar kernel]

Rymek scroll is funny

[split night]

they make the pot merchant trade lower level pot at Auburn Metropolis for weird reason though

[sick quest]

I think theres a scroll for the elkurn memory tower and thats the only one i dont own

[cedar kernel]

They added tm to kandon beda

[frozen turtle]

whilst Nexus & Cinfras Airship just get more use for longer travel yk

[unique pumice]

Whattttt

[cedar kernel]

They also added tm to olux

Idk about NoL

[unique pumice]

Surely thats new

[split night]

Rymek have like 2 quest, it's so irrelevant

[unique pumice]

I havent run tcc in so long tbh

[cedar kernel]

Def new

[split night]

that i just don't visit it in like 4 class after my first one

[sick quest]

Honestly Corkus airships could go basically everywhere

[frozen turtle]

I love the Rymek mansion quest

actually

[cedar kernel]

Canyon could be so good if it got overhauled

[sick quest]

Corkus as a late game fast travel hub would be W

[cedar kernel]

It’s already great

[frozen turtle]

Corkus pipe-fast travel is barely known i think

[sick quest]

Wait what

[cedar kernel]

Lootrun pipes

[frozen turtle]

for lootrun

but u can use outside of lootrun

[sick quest]

Wait theres a lootrun fast travel???

I just ride my mounts for corkus lootrun

[unique pumice]

is there?? how do u get it

[sick quest]

It says on wiki that theres a scroll for there

[frozen turtle]

starting from the lootrun centre, there is two north left & right
two to the side
and two below to right and left

[cedar kernel]

Draoi fair

[sick quest]

Idk where tho

[unique pumice]

Where do u see that

[unique pumice]

Thats not a tp scroll it says

But a skill reset one

[sick quest]

Ohhh u right

[unique pumice]

Also obligatory fandom 🤢

[tepid blade]

Don’t skill reset scroll not exist anymore?

[sick quest]

So i have all the tp scrolls then

[sick quest]

W hate

[tepid blade]

Because it is unsupported, there is new better one which is supported

Wiki.gg

[sick quest]

Yeah i just swapped over to there i just still get recommended fandom

[split night]

This EXIST?!

WHY isn't this mention ANY where

[frozen turtle]

oh and a relos-legendary island one

[frozen turtle]

its on the wiki but thats it, not even mentioned at the lootrun camp

which is weird

[split night]

I literally never know it exist just now

this is literally the outervoid shit again but this time even more un-telling

[cedar kernel]

I love my goat the sting glass necklace

+int and +mr? Yes please

[frozen turtle]

been meaning to try out outervoid at some point

[cedar kernel]

[sick quest]

Mods add a void village tp scroll and my life is yours

Or even better add a NoL tp scroll

[unique pumice]

Don’t waste your time

[sick quest]

Outer void/TNA fast travel?

The two places where void is exposed is in sky islands and in SE

And itd add more reasons to visit void

[frozen turtle]

void valley - outer void travel for sure

[sick quest]

Also gn o7 its 3am and my gf is telling me to sleep

[sick quest]

Ong

[split night]

It's not as reward but like, you can make good money passively colleting stuff
you can even use said stuff to craft stuff that give you even more money when you trade on TM

[untold warren]

Wouldn't fruma devolve into internal infighting because the Queen is gone?

[split night]

overall it's, slower and isn't as rewarding as raiding

but it's chill

xd

[split night]

yes definitely

[untold warren]

Cuz theres no line of succession

[split night]

that happened irl before, it would happen in game

xd

[untold warren]

Or will the remaining Sovereigns unite like the 13 colonies?

orrrr, Chinese history?

[earnest prairie]

her majesty has fallen, billions must perish

[untold warren]

https://tenor.com/nhTek5itEuz.gif

[split night]

I'd say Zhiraok might fight Oru
Soosu probably gonna chill the frick out now that she have creative freedom

[earnest prairie]

btw does anyone know hwere the auburn garveyard is

graveyard*

[untold warren]

Behind syndra's house

[split night]

you mean the tasim interaction??

[untold warren]

if you're looking for Tasim

[split night]

It's in the Leave in the Wind Auburn Base

just like, walk around the main house

[earnest prairie]

just wanted to read the letter yeah

bc ppl kept mentioning it but i couldn't find the contents

[untold warren]

I wanna see the player pull off some Napoleonic bs and take the crown of Fruma

[split night]

There are two Aledar grave interactions btw

[untold warren]

Wheres the other one?

[split night]

you missed the first one if Kaio already moved to the Canopy

[untold warren]

oh fuck

[split night]

You have to start a second char save and do Fruma quest again

this time check Aledar grave at your very first introduction to the Leave in The wind, Sui mora and all

I'm surprise you guys even missed it

i bet you guys was confuse who Kaio is

xd

[drifting aurora]

i need to make a mandatory kaio interaction before revelations perhaps

[earnest prairie]

i might have forgotten whos who besides the main stage ppl

[untold warren]

I lowkey forgot who the fuck Kaio is

[earnest prairie]

my memory can only remember so much

[untold warren]

He spoke once and never again, I thought he was off screened and died somewhere gng

[drifting aurora]

he literally said he'd be holding down the fort in auburn

[untold warren]

I ignored his ass and went somewhere else

[earnest prairie]

i think we should make arnol the new crown ngl

[untold warren]

Also, we seeing Fruma's end next expansion?

[earnest prairie]

1. it'd be funny 2. we love arnol

[split night]

give my man Kaio more screentime
he is friend with Aledar so like, he should be at least some what relevant

[limpid glacier]

wheres the grave btw

[untold warren]

Cuz the queen is gone, no line of succession

[split night]

in the Leave in the Wind base

where you got introduced Sui and Mora stuff

check around it

like, there are stuff around the house

[limpid glacier]

ohh i see

[untold warren]

unless Fruma becomes a republic or council, I don't see Fruma ever becoming an Empire again

[earnest prairie]

somehow....anathema returned..

[limpid glacier]

ahhhhh

[split night]

They are still an insanely advance civilization with technology above Corkus one level

they just need a good leader

[frozen turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/who-is-this-gif-4011795153273257473

[untold warren]

Aight we need someone to replace the Queen ong

[earnest prairie]

i'd say that corkus is technically a lil more advanced

[untold warren]

I vote Soosu

[earnest prairie]

at least militarily

[split night]

Just let Soosu be happy man 😭

[untold warren]

She can lowkey be a democratic leader that will step down a year later

[split night]

don't torture her any more

[earnest prairie]

i mean does soosu have a sentient super computer capable of producing an army that TOTALLY didn't go rogue?

[frozen turtle]

I think we forgetting the goat Z, who actually cares about the people he is Sovereign of

[split night]

I can genuinely say that Zhiraok would make for a damn good leader

[untold warren]

And the boulder grass mixture

[frozen turtle]

only issue with Zhiraok is that he's the newest Sovereign (except tasim ig)

i still think he'd do good

[split night]

he has been in the work at least 10-20 years no?

he should have experience

[frozen turtle]

experience for sure, but public reception

[earnest prairie]

does Z rlly wanna be leader tho? but ig he's the only one who'd probably rapidly improve things in a positive way and soosu def doesn't want more work

[untold warren]

I am imagining Zhiraok with a hundred husbands gng, i dunno why

[frozen turtle]

compared to everyone else he is kinda new

[frozen turtle]

he's the only decent option is the thing

[split night]

oh right the Auburn town political guy

[untold warren]

With the exception of Tasim

[frozen turtle]

and he deos seem to care about Fruma

Tasim is so new that i dont think any would accept him

[earnest prairie]

i mean there's tasim but i'd imagine the content team will shove him into dern maybe

dern sounds more like his style

[frozen turtle]

Tasim doesnt even do anything for Fruma

[untold warren]

Queen suck-up

[earnest prairie]

"what does he even do?!"

[frozen turtle]

like he's technically a Sovereign but had no time to do anything

[earnest prairie]

meanwhile gikyo is 12 feet under (thankfully)

[frozen turtle]

Oru is gonna become quen fr

[drifting aurora]

theyre all friends with aledar

[frozen turtle]

queen

[split night]

Yeah i know its just that Kaio is one of the only leave who refer to Aledar by name specifically

I thought that should give him more relevancy

[frozen turtle]

I think it would be cool if Zeph's sister was one of the soldiers we meet at some point, purpose none but would be cool

[untold warren]

Wait Aledar is Rex's brother right?

[drifting aurora]

nope

[frozen turtle]

is he

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[untold warren]

or am I misremembering things?

[frozen turtle]

no

[drifting aurora]

???

[hybrid gazelle]

it's caid

[frozen turtle]

fuck

I meant

Rex

Zeph = Rex

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar is not Rex's brother

[earnest prairie]

can we get a visual on this?

[hybrid gazelle]

Caid is Rex's brother

[earnest prairie]

it'd probably be easier to understand things visually

[drifting aurora]

this dialogue keeps confusing people

[hybrid gazelle]

visual for what?

[rustic nexus]

no

[earnest prairie]

relationship/family tree thingy

[frozen turtle]

i didnt know Caid was Rex's brother lowkey

[drifting aurora]

and like. i see vaguely how that happens. but also. i dont think the dialogue says this at all

[rustic nexus]

aledar was just another member of the leaves in the wind

[earnest prairie]

bc ppl are confused on aledar relationship to fruma or smth idek anymore

[drifting aurora]

actually rex's dialogue in revelations explicitly deconfirms it

[rustic nexus]

member of the leaves in the wind

how is it confusing

[hybrid gazelle]

tey all just friends

[rustic nexus]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

that pretyt much it

[split night]

huh??

[hybrid gazelle]

he is just part of the leaves

[split night]

Caid is Rex brother
Aledar is a member and a friend of the leaves

[hybrid gazelle]

literally nobody in the leaves in biologically relate to one and naother beside Mora and Sui LOL

[split night]

what's confusing about htat??

[frozen turtle]

people just heard "someone got sent to Wynn and isnt us or tasim" and assumed Aledar

[untold warren]

Wastelands is just a minor update in terms of quest right?

[split night]

It's like an adoption center yeah

xd

[untold warren]

Like it won't be plot relevant?

[earnest prairie]

bro my entire understanding of the server's lore being learned was spread over 5 yrs. things are bound to get jumbled here and there

[hybrid gazelle]

Wasteland is a PART of major update

we dont knwo how relevant it is

[rustic nexus]

for the main storyline probably not

[hybrid gazelle]

but it just going to be a part of a major update

it not gonna be the main focus

[split night]

this is recent lore
like aren't we dicussing Fruma lore

[hybrid gazelle]

of that update

[split night]

??

[frozen turtle]

Wasteland is gonna reshape the entire Fruma storyline its gonna make it crazy

100%

[rustic nexus]

the most story important thing in wastelands that could get covered is the prison

[untold warren]

Eh I'll still do the wastelands quest, might reveal that Zeus exists somehow, i dunno

[earnest prairie]

yknow what nvm. if i tried explaining it its not like i'll explain it properly anyways

[split night]

it house the prison we were suppose to have a kick-ass prison break in sequenc

[frozen turtle]

Wasteland is probably just dungeon and then project hollowground i think

[split night]

but never got

[earnest prairie]

im not literate like that unfortunately

[frozen turtle]

acvtually wait

we ignoring that we might see SOHS

o

[untold warren]

can you switch dialogue languages btw?

[rustic nexus]

no

[split night]

with a mod sure

[untold warren]

Sad

[rustic nexus]

do the mods even work now with the new dialogue system

[untold warren]

I was seeing /rs and /cs in the wiki, so i thought there were different languages

[split night]

i dunno, i'm not russian

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I think those are just fan translated

to make wiki more accessible

[frozen turtle]

ur not russian!?!!

[hybrid gazelle]

Wasteland probably have side story where you help the canopy break into prison

it not gonna change fruma story that much

because the prison breakout wll happen one way or another

without your input

[frozen turtle]

if Wasteland doesnt have us do a prison breakout/breakin i'll be so sad

[rustic nexus]

I can't imagine wastelands having more than 2 quests ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[untold warren]

Is there any ingame mythology?

[hybrid gazelle]

I imagine Wasteland got lik 2 mainlines quest and 2 side quests

or 3 main and 1 side

in game mytho?

[untold warren]

Like Gods and Goddesses that they thought existed

[hybrid gazelle]

5 Fruman Gods

Leviathan

[frozen turtle]

Quests will prolly just be Prison & Project Hollowground/The cave thing

[hybrid gazelle]

Garaheth

Well Garaheth exist

but it still mytho

[frozen turtle]

Garaheth is confirmed yeah

[untold warren]

Okay cool

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK what else

tehre definitely more

[frozen turtle]

i mean cows ig

[split night]

okay this is a better name for my thing im taking it

[hybrid gazelle]

Bovenmist is vague

we dont know the mytho surrounding it

[untold warren]

#1489836179665981621 is making good progress btw, yall should check it out

[split night]

the Amalgam Leviathan is so cool

[rustic nexus]

there's also farcor

but could you consider that?

[untold warren]

I think so?

As long as people worshipped them

[rustic nexus]

and like tcc

[hybrid gazelle]

Colossus

Orphion

[rustic nexus]

yea

[hybrid gazelle]

The queen herself is am ytho

because she actually being worship as a god

[untold warren]

damn

[untold warren]

I mean she is a God

[frozen turtle]

which Orphion and Queens are kinda gods

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

anything else

IDK

[frozen turtle]

really depends what we're asking, for mythos
are we talking about actual gods
powerful things people worshipped
or things ppl made up to worship

[untold warren]

The Fruman elections are lit bro

[rustic nexus]

ok so do we have an understanding of the weave now

[untold warren]

A bit

[rustic nexus]

it's like just the strands of the 5 elements right

like how each influence has one type of strand

[untold warren]

Reminds me of a cartoon

[frozen turtle]

i get the elemental part

[hybrid gazelle]

consider how Sui descirbe using magic as pulling a thread

and defintiion of the weave

The Weave like just source of magic itself

because in EoH

where we being locked up

[split night]

this is so silksong core

[hybrid gazelle]

Two describe the cell as dead zone for the weave

let me bring up the dialogue

[rustic nexus]

so wait like
if we go by each realm influence having a strand like war does, and there's one for each element, would it mean that like
would physicality beasts just be the elemental gods referenced in that one frumic scroll

hmmm

[hybrid gazelle]

not really

[split night]

Soosu inventions are insane

[hybrid gazelle]

the Weave itself is only exclusive in phsyical plane

and what is tfloating around the realms are just stolen trhread

[frozen turtle]

I dont like that the influence is a "strand", ( i mean its clearly different as Sui cant see it but can feel it) cuz there was an entire thing about how Dark was "an element" but its not really

[hybrid gazelle]

so it likely refering these as like very sprase and few

[rustic nexus]

do not listen to blacksmith dren

[hybrid gazelle]

how many time we have to go through saying that AJB section is not canon 😭

[untold warren]

What kind of weaving are we talking about?