📚lore_discussion

[frozen turtle]

logically, Mora could've done that, he's the 2nd oldest and unlike the player actually knows them & cares for them more

[solid ibex]

shes very strategic with her bow, shes geniunely insane for literally doing allat in apotheosis with basically no magic at all

[full jackal]

sorta???

[cedar kernel]

Lil girl with the archery ‘tism

[whole river]

Keep in mind tasim is weakened after we beat his ass

[hybrid gazelle]

what that mean

[clear scaffold]

actually she was doing well before the fight

[split night]

hey consider this
do you notice that only Sui and Yusanu made it out of that without getting captured into the prison?

do you know why is that?

xd

[whole river]

I don’t think she gets a single hit on him no?

[frozen turtle]

well clearly the player didnt even do their job right

[hybrid gazelle]

logically putting player insteado f Mora would be like putting all eggs in one basket

[frozen turtle]

then

[clear scaffold]

he's trying to hit her a lot but failing. and then he uses that blocking move till we get involved

[split night]

MAN, if MORA take care of them they would be in fucking prison becuase of Zhiraok, what is Mora gonna do against him 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

it a VERY risky move that woudl leave the leaves stranded if the plan fail

[full jackal]

I mean its complicated

[split night]

what is your logic??

[solid ibex]

i believe our fight with him is more equalized, yes we can still beat him but tasim knows our style the most lore wise

[whole river]

Yeah tasim wasn’t like trying to kill her at that point

[solid ibex]

Rex is very tricky but I believe the player is just super straightforward but insanely powerful nontheless

[clear scaffold]

no he was

[whole river]

Even after he goes for her arm when he could’ve decapitated her

[frozen turtle]

So instead of using your two strongest fighters together, you seperate them to fight indepdently is a silly move

[whole river]

Rex was absolutely exposed for it

[split night]

Tasim was holding back a lot

[whole river]

Yeah ik

[hybrid gazelle]

because that putting all your eggs in one basket 😭
it's just too risky to attempt

[whole river]

Rex is good but tasim is a veteran😭

[frozen turtle]

yeah but thats like

[whole river]

Can’t beat that

[hybrid gazelle]

and she was correct, in doing so because shit will gone horribly wrong

[split night]

and let Mora, Sui and Yusanu be captured?
we are seriously risking 3 people just for a chance to fight Her's Majesty??

[clear scaffold]

I will say though, rex and sui were both REALLY good at dealing with the big threats

[frozen turtle]

If you put your eggs in seperate baskets both will break, but if you put them together you'll have a better chance

[cedar kernel]

WTF was Tasim up to in Gavel

[full jackal]

but like actually though why would syndra think it‘d be that easy

She‘s the QUEEN

[clear scaffold]

you got sui who immediately kills gikyo and fights the guards easily.. and you got rex who's fighting tasim, saving the player and somehow blocking hits from tasim

[split night]

they didn't, Rex just had good aim, that's literally her gimmick

[frozen turtle]

And again, that's just what ended up happening. Planning wise it doesnt mean thats what they'd assume

[hybrid gazelle]

then wtf you gonna do if the assassination failed and player and Syndra get capture

[split night]

Sui is fine i guess??

[full jackal]

you think she doesn‘t have backup plans?

[clear scaffold]

rex saves the player remember

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think Mora can fight ZHiraok LOL

[solid ibex]

okay here me out, Tasim got upscaled a lot because if we compare him to the other sovereigns, legit he is insanely strong

[cedar kernel]

Did Tasim ever visit the void

[clear scaffold]

and also blocks a hit from tasim with her bow

[split night]

with a good shot yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK wtf goiong with Rex

she is cracked

[clear scaffold]

(surprised it didn't break the damn thing)

[hybrid gazelle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDNSr2ibQAE6ER3.webp

[cedar kernel]

Tasim probably visited the sky islands at one point

[full jackal]

nah bro is a fraud his fight took me 2 attempts

[frozen turtle]

Like Syndras plan is stupid eitherway, my plan is just to have a higher chance of winning

the main fight

[solid ibex]

Zhriaok got cooked twice, Gikyo was severely cooked, Majin got soloed, even the Queen was massively weakened by the player

[frozen turtle]

when it comes to the knowledge we had

[clear scaffold]

also will add, most people would of died to tasim pretty quickly.

[frozen turtle]

when the plan was made

[split night]

They literally KNOW all of our escape route 😭
because someone got changeling'd

so Zhiroak DEFINITELY come after Sui and Yusanu
it'd be better for us to take care of them

[solid ibex]

yet Tasim canonically still keeps fighting

[clear scaffold]

rex however holds out longer than the player does

[split night]

if mora did, bam, we lost 3 people

[hybrid gazelle]

they got changeling

they would know everything and counteract accordingly

[clear scaffold]

actually wait yeah

[solid ibex]

we equalized the fight but it wasnt going anywhere so we got sent to queen instead

[clear scaffold]

the player fights the queen nearly dies

[cedar kernel]

Soosu would have one shot us

If they weren’t on our side

[hybrid gazelle]

like who know, we probably have to fight ZHiraok and The queen together

[clear scaffold]

and rex is STILL fighting tasim and is somehow fine

[frozen turtle]

i dont think u guys are getting what im saying

[full jackal]

Soosu is not that strong

[split night]

NO, you ARE not getting what we're saying

😭

[cedar kernel]

Nah they are

[hybrid gazelle]

no we get what you mean but literally your plan is risky as syndra plan

[full jackal]

sovereigns power fome from her majesty

sovereigns cannot be stronger than her majesty

[split night]

It's like, double risk, no reward type shit

[solid ibex]

to be fair with the player, they just fought Majin and Tasim 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

at least Syndra plan if FAILED then the rest of the leaves will have some guidance

[split night]

beat 3 things in succession

[clear scaffold]

yeah fair, but it says something when rex is doing just as good as the player

[split night]

yeah we are here to offer said guidences

[clear scaffold]

even if the player's probably a bit tired

[frozen turtle]

most of the arguments u had were based on the results we knew from afterwards, not what the player would know beforehand

[hybrid gazelle]

your plan literally if it failed then everyone fucking dead
becuase I dont think Mora could lead like we do

[solid ibex]

yea the Leaves gng are insanely powerful, specifically Rex, Zeph, and Sui since they are still young and can become more powerful

Mora and Syndra are old as shit

[clear scaffold]

rex is a terrifying shadestepper

leaves kinda feels like if all the classes came together bar shaman

[split night]

and then what
we get fucked by Her's Majesty and possibly excuted when we got captured
with all of the leaves and steel basically dead

REMEMBER

THAT WAS NOT ONLY THE QUEEN

THERE WERE 4 SOVERIENG

like

[clear scaffold]

you got rex the archer, zeph the assassin (specifically shadestepper)
and sui the twain mage

[split night]

how are we fightign against Her's Majesty and 4 other Sovereigns 😭

[full jackal]

its not as funny without the audio

[split night]

it's literally unwinnable even if we have Syndra on our side

[solid ibex]

all at once is actually unwinnable ngl

[clear scaffold]

the player barely wins one at a time

[solid ibex]

especially since they must know each other for a long time, they must have incredible synergy

[frozen turtle]

well it wouldnt be all at one for one

once

[hybrid gazelle]

but we would not know that are we

we just know there are 4 soverigns during the planniing

in the time of festival

[molten escarp]

one very well put together acolyte build

[hybrid gazelle]

so everything is risky

Syndra could never predict that Soosu would not be helping out

so to her soosu is on the paper and likely will help fight the rebel

[clear scaffold]

and to be fair, zhairok alone tired them out

[solid ibex]

adding soosu to the mix is probably a death sentence

[hybrid gazelle]

so in her pov, the attempt of assassination of The queen, if falled on the initial strike

will ahve 3 other fucking soverigns jumping on them

[split night]

Yeah and like
if we fight Her's Majesty head on
chances are
we would have Tasim, Zhiraok, Majin and Soosu fucking our ass

[frozen turtle]

im saying just hitting stronger then having two smaller attacks would've been smarter

(both of them are stupid) but i think having 1 strong attack would be better

[hybrid gazelle]

so Syndra seperating the player from the main fight

make sense and sound

[clear scaffold]

it distracted the sovereigns so it worked

[split night]

EVEN with this
what are we gonna do against 4 sovereigns after we hit Her's Majesty badly

[full jackal]

wait actually thatd be fun

they should add that

[split night]

the plan already went to shit remember?

if at that moment we help Syndra

what would be the outcome of that?

[frozen turtle]

also wait 4

[hybrid gazelle]

I think we accidentally count the queen

[frozen turtle]

there isnt 4 is there

[hybrid gazelle]

Queen and 3 sove3rigns

that more correct

it not any better tho

[split night]

yeah Soosu, Tasim, Zhiraok probably

lemme check again

[frozen turtle]

so 3

[hybrid gazelle]

The queen and 3 soverigns

that not any better

for this situatiojn

[clear scaffold]

majin doesn't show up there so yeah three

[split night]

"so 3" are we deadass

[hybrid gazelle]

3 soverigns that in Syndra's pov will fight for the queen

[frozen turtle]

sorry for clarifying

??

[solid ibex]

again ill say, Soosu is somewhat of a mystery on how she fights, but shes probably so overpowered in battle

[split night]

yeah this is litearally unwinnable

[hybrid gazelle]

testicular tornsion

[split night]

sorry, from your tone i take it that you are gonna say we fight them head on and win

[clear scaffold]

fighting anyone who can manipulate terrain is already a hellish fight, manipulating your matter makes it worse

[full jackal]

🙁

[hybrid gazelle]

also player have more pressing matter

[solid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866699859813859352/1499523685659181278/IMG_1207.gif

[hybrid gazelle]

whic h is getting sui and Yusano out

[frozen turtle]

im saying both plans suck, Syndras plan was just fully wasting resources

[split night]

literally the whole point of being the back up

[hybrid gazelle]

because if they join the fight, two of them would be arrested and send to Deraj prison

Syndra plan is not fully wasting resources
It's to ensure in it FAIL then at least someone will guide the remainning leaves

uit's plan with failure in mind

[full jackal]

you know that gives me an idea on how to settle internet debates

[hybrid gazelle]

as all good plan shoul dhave

[frozen turtle]

there would've been a chance if we attacked all at once, but no one even suggests that

[split night]

From Syndra perspective, it would have work if there were no changeling and assume Her's Majesty is human

[full jackal]

literally irl fight to the death

[hybrid gazelle]

Quil in that plan

[split night]

Syndra, us and Mora maybe
the rest?? they are not gonna be able to bro 😭
like they only get strong in Hyloch

[frozen turtle]

i meant

not us

like

[solid ibex]

Syndra's plan if it had worked would put everyone on her BUT at least she did the one deed the entire rebellion was aiming for

[frozen turtle]

i meant like us

fighting with syndra

[split night]

Quil is gonna carry us like Gerson Boom trust

[full jackal]

whoever dies is WRONG* and a CHUD

[solid ibex]

she already requested the player to guide the rest if she were to fail

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh she already see her plan has a chance of failing

[split night]

^
Then again, Syndra was working with a plan that assume no changeling and Queen is human

[hybrid gazelle]

but she try to her plan out to leave some chance of survival

because mf just

[split night]

which is two condition failed

[hybrid gazelle]

really want to die

[frozen turtle]

It was just a stupid plan that could've at least bee ngiven a chance of succeeding

[hybrid gazelle]

Syndra was wayyy too reckless in that planning

so tbh

any variant of the plan will always end in failure

[split night]

She WANTs to die with a chance of success so she WANT us to take care of the children once she is gone
that is the point of the plan i think

[hybrid gazelle]

because it doomed from teh start

[frozen turtle]

she basically just wanted her and mora to die honestly

[hybrid gazelle]

but at very least it give a chance for the leave sto survive

[split night]

yeah

[frozen turtle]

she should not of accepted Mora to join

[full jackal]

maybe just don‘t assasinate the queen considering that she‘s been ruling for 800 years

[hybrid gazelle]

Syndra knwo that Mora will INSIST on joining

[whole river]

Without the player tasim solos the rebellion ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

nothing can stop him on the matter

[split night]

Mora insisted 😭

[frozen turtle]

bro, if she wanted the player to protect her children ,get us to have him not participate

[full jackal]

like assasination is not going to work on a almost god like her

[split night]

Denying him on the spot lead to no where because he will just keep helping her in that situation

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think Mora would give a shit

he want to help Syndra

[whole river]

The closest person to him is syndra and I don’t think she beats him still

[full jackal]

she‘s always goiing to have a backup scheme

[frozen turtle]

she should've just told him afterwards, like

[solid ibex]

and like that was one of the best choice she made because the player managed to keep Sui and Yusanu safe, joined forces with Canopy that had plans for deraj prison, then Sui broke out Zeph and Rex (though a strategic decision by the sovereigns) but basically the player got everyone moving and to regroup for one final plan that ACTUALLY worked because there was so many resources in placed as well as the player moving crazy making sure the plan will not fail

[full jackal]

And she has soldiers in every corner

[solid ibex]

i think the canopy needs more credit

[frozen turtle]

if you know what you're doing is gonna get you and them killed for sure, like just tell him no in private or lie to him

[solid ibex]

if it werent for their numbers, the plan would have probably failed

[full jackal]

and even if you kill her then its probably a decoy or something

[frozen turtle]

i just think its funny she "cares about her children" and doesnt even try to keep mora alive

oldest child moment lowkey

[solid ibex]

that was Mora's decision to go in battle with her

[whole river]

The plan would’ve died without* canopy they’re the ones with actual soldiers to our small. Elite squad

[frozen turtle]

Syndra doesnt even try to

make it so he doesnt

[clear scaffold]

well mora dies later.

[frozen turtle]

like yeah he wanted to but cmon syndra

[clear scaffold]

and honestly he's stubborn

[frozen turtle]

at least try

[split night]

Consider this
Syndra know Mora, from heart to how he think
she work with him for very long

what do you think from a perspective of her knowing how Mora is gonna act even when she specifically said not to interfere?

Mora is gonna ignore order

and then what?

[frozen turtle]

she doesnt really try

at all

[split night]

the same thing happen

[frozen turtle]

is my thing

[split night]

you want her to try for extra character point?

xd

it end the same way either way

[frozen turtle]

like, it just makes it seems like she doesnt give two shits about him

kinda

its just funny to me

especially cause eh's the oldest

it's really giving like "very protective of youngest" and the oldest who cares

[split night]

That's literally not in-character for her to not give a shit, she tell us to save the childrens, and that include Mora

[full jackal]

🍿

[split night]

are you just, finding crack in the wall just to hate Syndra or smthing

[frozen turtle]

if i knew someone was stubborn like that, i'd still at least try, or trick its just funny

[split night]

this is weird

[frozen turtle]

i dont hate syndra

i just find it interesting

[full jackal]

at this point i won‘t start studying for my chinese test until like 2 hours later xd

[split night]

I'm just so dead ass gonna reread Echoes of Change again

[solid ibex]

tbf with Mora, he is 2nd in command in the leaves but still it is his decision to tell Syndra about that, and he actually joined the fight but only lasted for a bit

actually iirc he did actually hit the queen, but really only once

since it was a sneak attack

[frozen turtle]

he delayed it by a bit

[hybrid gazelle]

I really want to know

[frozen turtle]

wasnt much help

[hybrid gazelle]

actually nvm

I just remember I got answered my own question

[full jackal]

yeah, who, i wanna know

[frozen turtle]

like idk i would've expected Syndra to at least try smth to get him not to do it

[solid ibex]

okay i wanna ask, is this during the fight or the discussion before the fight

[hybrid gazelle]

Her Majesty popping her ult in that fight like 😭

she really want them dead

[frozen turtle]

like in between

i could also be

[solid ibex]

cause during the fight, syndra is probably exhausted as shit to even lecture mora to get the hell out

[frozen turtle]

misremembering what happens

[split night]

@frozen turtle

[solid ibex]

and mora saved her skin too

[split night]

she did deny him

:\

[frozen turtle]

eh guess i did misremember it

[split night]

I'm actually so tired as shit i fucking hate this conversation just because of how one of us not remember the context fully

[frozen turtle]

fair enough

[solid ibex]

yeah i somewhat remembering Syndra being against it but Mora's words were enough to convince

[hybrid gazelle]

Syndra is like

doing what equlivent of being in a driver for the gang

and decide to talk about her ex

while full step on the speed

and Mora just go on the front seat anyway

[split night]

we do see a moment of IF her's Majesty didn't know the plan though

that also have one more condition and that is if she is human

imagine that though, a happier ending

xd

[frozen turtle]

yk, that things just happens in lore discussions, not everyone remembers things fully and you've done this too. like mb in this situation prolly should've just re read it

im heading off

[solid ibex]

imagine if they didnt know of the plan and syndra unknowingly completely destroys the shell and unleashes anathema 🥀🥀🥀

[split night]

I know I'm just expressing my frustration, sorry for like, overreacting, that was shitty of me

xd

[split night]

calamity

[hybrid gazelle]

I wish they actually show Jiro being changeling

but like

it fine for what it is

I just thknki t would be nice transition to mistwood

[split night]

probably?
it would do an important job of explaining how the crown know about the plan

in that moment as well

because like
i remember being a little bit confused why this is not explained later on

and only found out while chatting in this

[mossy badge]

Was jiro a changeling from the start? Or when did he get replaced

[hybrid gazelle]

it just would be nice mystery to start with

[mossy badge]

He's such a no1 i dont remember shit lol

[hybrid gazelle]

until you get to do Mistwood quest

[split night]

he got replace when he ran out being angry at zeph

im pretty sure

[mossy badge]

Which quest is that?

[solid ibex]

dang

i never knew that

lmfao

[split night]

the quest where you, zeph, yuman help a woman

[mossy badge]

Prolly like 95% of players are in the same boat as u (me included)

[split night]

to move in with the Steel feather

Me too xd
not until someone pointed it out really

it make more sense how the crown knew about our plan

[hybrid gazelle]

"Oh man I sure hope we get to see Jiro again in wasteland update"

Jiro rn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu1K1W1_eLU

bro get drag into the alley and shot

[split night]

he's probably in the same fate as all of the people that got replaced by changeling

which is like

either send to wynn or die

but probably the latter because he's a rebel

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

if we got fucking EFFAL as post quest dialogue

then we should have Jiro

but since we did not get Jiro

then yeah Jiro probably fucking dead

[split night]

man just appear in one quest and die mysteriously

peak character

[hybrid gazelle]

nah he appear in The Cursed one

you can talk to him in festival

so he appear in 2 quest actually

not counting his changeling

[split night]

okay i guess he have more relevancy than some npc

xd

[limber swan]

it wouldn't be a happy ending though

it would just be the start of a Fruman civil war

[split night]

Frupolitic

I mean I think postraid quests and interactions are gonna be interesting

There bound to be civil war either way

[limber swan]

a Fruman civil war in the butterfly effect would be interesting

cause like

maybe this is where we finally get a Soosu boss fight

[full jackal]

yes and thatd be me i have already completely forgotten what happened in echoes of change

[limber swan]

god

[split night]

I think Soosu just gonna like, do her thing and stuff

[limber swan]

I wonder what an Oru boss fight would be

[split night]

maybe she will rebuild Flowers

[limber swan]

his blessing apparently keeps the prisoners of Deraj in check

[cedar kernel]

What we do know is that Oru is OLD

[limber swan]

ye

what number is Oru anyways

[split night]

three

probably

[full jackal]

Who is one then

[limber swan]

Two is 2 Majin is 3 Gikyo is 4 Soosu is 5 Zhiroak is 6

[mossy badge]

Bak

[limber swan]

and Bak'al is 1

[mossy badge]

'al

[limber swan]

in a way

Tasim is probably like 7 or smth

[split night]

If we count sovereign then Two is first
if we count Scion then Bak

[limber swan]

yeah but Two ranks higher than Oru

and Majin ranks higher than Gikyo

[mossy badge]

Why would TWO be second am i right 😂

Logcally makes NO SENSE

[split night]

Bak'al sound like a noise chicken would make

[mossy badge]

True

[full jackal]

i mean there‘s oru two zhi soosu gikyo majin and tasim

thats already 7

[whole river]

If he has a gift that shuts down combat, would be a good counter against the player

[mossy badge]

His parents heard a chicken and named him bak'al 🔥

[full jackal]

and zhi is the newest one

so there are like 7 max

since tasim is newest now

therefore bakal does not count

[split night]

fitting name really

he chicken out two fight

[full jackal]

i can‘t believe those two didn‘t fight to the death to settle things my idea was goated ngl smh

[halcyon spire]

is there a way to tell tasim after the queens recruit quest?

[exotic bough]

You can/will eventually only be able to tell him during queens recruit

[halcyon spire]

i was trying to tell him after a few attemps i said i cant i cant i cant and then the dialog continued

[slender eagle]

telling him is disabled rn

[halcyon spire]

can i go and do it later or smth?

[mossy badge]

On a different class

[hybrid gazelle]

ALT ROUTE

someday

in a patch

[halcyon spire]

i aint making a second class 😔

[hybrid gazelle]

then yeah if play Fruma now

actually nvm

you already done the thing

yeah you wont be able to tell him later

[mossy badge]

Cooked

[halcyon spire]

theres no way to redo a quest?

[mossy badge]

Nope

Unless they decide to add it in the next update (meh i dont think lol)

[hybrid gazelle]

sadly redoing quest is not a feature on live

[halcyon spire]

does this change anything in the quests?

[slender eagle]

just dialogue ithink

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

just dialogue

[full jackal]

汝心之固，固不可徹，曾不若孀妻、弱子。

Translation: Your thoughts are stubborn, stubborn to the point where nothing will ever get through, not even comparable to a widow or a coughing child.

/j

然則，汝姊，寬心可也，事非深重。

然爾等爭辯甚樂，吾是以於吾之中文測驗，遲則未研讀，而吾憎受責，故此乃爾等之咎，恥辱焉，去死。

[slender copper]

:(.

[full jackal]

爾等瑣爭，猶如觀兇人逐其所害於暗巷之中，目不能舍，以其至可娛也；然彼兇人之殺，猶或有由，較爾等之故不若是其鄙也。

[slender copper]

This reminds me, I need to draw all of the current Player theories!

[full jackal]

誠實言之，吾亦不知何故於課堂中言此古文。君或謂吾能言古語，乃天才也，然吾非也。吾實以譯者之力，譯吾之言於古文。吾之實古文解譯之技，不過犬馬糞耳，何況下筆為文！

[split night]

there are like 2 in my head rn

i mean 3 if i'm being lazy and like the spark refer to something heart shaped and red

[clear scaffold]

i'm glad the player's getting some backstory at least

[slender copper]

So far I got:

• The player spawned in out of nothing theory
• The player is a manifestation of void/physical plane theory
• The player is a vessel to the manifestation of void/physical plane theory
• The Player's soul is a manifestation of void/physical plane theory

[clear scaffold]

i don't think the "let the player's decide" is really working well

[split night]

The player appear out of nowhere theory is my least favorite one as well

Like, we just pull something out of our butt and then finds way to support it

[full jackal]

實乃可憎，吾感須顯聰慧或殊異，蓋吾實乃惱人之輩，惹人厭惡，即吾認此，亦為又一可憎之事，蓋以為僅認己之不足，已減其可憎，然實不然。自知者，不能赦免任何之事

[split night]

it serve near zero function and explain nothing

[slender copper]

Yeah, probably the least amount of evidence for that one since it's clearly a joke about the player not having memories till the first tutorial quest lmao

[ashen salmon]

the player is secretly some kind of fourth beast

ooooooooh

[split night]

realm beast theory strike again

[clear scaffold]

to be fair it more goes with the "player decide's their own backstory thing"

but i'll be honest

i've found games just don't do that great sometimes

[split night]

I always just interpret the spark as the strenght of will or something powerful

that is up to interpretation and like, we just interpret the spark as realm beast more common

[slender copper]

That's about it, yeah.

[split night]

The spark itself is an up to interpretation thing so

I doubt it gonna be explained later or ever

[clear scaffold]

ehh i kinda feel like there's a reason for it

[split night]

up to your interpretation i guess

[clear scaffold]

i don't know it must be something

like that's not a strength of will, that's something the player at one point had

[split night]

we'll spend our time crafting theory and theorizing what it is but to what end?
in the end it won't be explain and then would turn out to either be an up to interpretation ot never mention again thing

I could be wrong but i will stick with the prior for now, as it's gonna take years before we get anything related to the spark considering there are a lot of reworks coming

[clear scaffold]

what really needs reworking? troms? Arguably corkus but i don't see that happening for a while

troms and nesaak will probably be together actually.

[split night]

RoL, Orc, Wynnex

the Ocean

[clear scaffold]

the ocean is never getting a rework

not unless they ditch the server's backend

[hybrid gazelle]

the ocean probably getting grandual rework as the game go on

by that ieamn

just island getting rework

[clear scaffold]

yeah it'll never get a commited one.

[hybrid gazelle]

not ocean floor

[split night]

yeah possibly

[vestal rivet]

pulls an old calamity lore and we're just an amalgamation of the stolen or donated powers of a bunch of deities congealed to make a being to take on a greater threat
which the creator of which originally thought failed as it just made an innert statue, only to break open an untold time later

[clear scaffold]

orc. like the orc quests?

the quest line that got reworked already

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and it likely getting rework again

because queen's recruit heavily imply Tasim is involve

and captain Kymer is more pormenient character

[split night]

okay a new approach, i love creativity

[hybrid gazelle]

also King's recruits and Recover the Past exist

[clear scaffold]

to be fair there's plenty of gavel quests you could have tasim in.

[hybrid gazelle]

those 2 fucking quest get rework agian and agian LOL

[vestal rivet]

imo Time Valley, Jungle, and Pigman Ravines need to be tackled together as one unit related to Olmic History

[hybrid gazelle]

yes but the convo that we have in queen's recruits

[split night]

do note that if the spark thing become an up into interpretation
your theory would still hold true to all of your characters and not be wrong so

[hybrid gazelle]

heavily suggest that Tasim is involve with the Orc War

[clear scaffold]

RoL doesn't need an overall rework honestly

[hybrid gazelle]

consider it's between captain Kymer

[clear scaffold]

it just needs some tinkering

[hybrid gazelle]

RoL will ahve rework but we are not sure to what extend

so cant say much

[split night]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

but it getting rework at some point

[split night]

you're saying that burn my heart

[hybrid gazelle]

AJB/AJF also getting rework

at some point

probably before ROL

[clear scaffold]

AJB/AJF just need it out of pure stupidity.

[hybrid gazelle]

again thing are very vauge rn

[clear scaffold]

RoL is consistent at least

[hybrid gazelle]

There also gonna be more quest featuring Linton, Lanu, and Mel

that can probably group with Troms

[vestal rivet]

SE soft rework despite being the current 2nd-newest region lol

[split night]

overall point is, we'll likely won't get RoD and the explaination ( or not ) to the spark referred
which is likely gonna take years

[hybrid gazelle]

we are not really sure yet how much they getting add to the quest

[clear scaffold]

wynnex i just only see getting a rework because i want to be pleasantly surprised with zero expectations

[hybrid gazelle]

Corkus reborn in 500 years or some shit

[clear scaffold]

i hope the reworks at least give the player more of a personality

[ashen salmon]

some puzzles in there can be updated

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynnex stuck in limbo where it not a one contiuate storyline

[clear scaffold]

because it's so much better than the wall we call a player

[ashen salmon]

ct give us a feathers fly rework that lets me flirt with ava

[split night]

hey i have personality, call it <character> xd

[hybrid gazelle]

so it harder to rework

because the story pacing is

just fucking awful as a story LOL

[clear scaffold]

I just want amadel to be a boss fight

[vestal rivet]

WynnEx and SE are tied a little lore-wise
WynnEx and the Olms in their entirely really
dang WynnEx needs to be reworked at the same time then :/

[split night]

demote Wynnex to a side quest 😔

[clear scaffold]

you could not touch anything other than amadel and i'd be happy

[hybrid gazelle]

and we probably getting some minecraft stuff remove later on

like villager rework

pigmen ravine

creeper quest

[split night]

creeper

[hybrid gazelle]

Corkus probably only one getting full on remake

[clear scaffold]

villager rework i genuinely don't know if that'd ever happen

[split night]

they also nead to remove Temple of Legends

it's necessary

[clear scaffold]

more because of how prominent villagers are

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft is very woke so

it will happen eventually

[vestal rivet]

well
I wanted Time Valley, Pigman Ravine, and Jungle all tackled at once as Time Valley and Jungle have a lot of Olmic history stuff going on and Pigman Ravine is in that wedge between them

[split night]

why do you think they didn't make portrait for them? xd
they are definitely getting a rework

[hybrid gazelle]

the fact that Seaskipper and Ragni king have no protrait

is saying something

[clear scaffold]

or no one really wants to draw the nose

[ashen salmon]

seaskipper os the goat fr

[vestal rivet]

do any villagers hvae portraits at all actually?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[split night]

none of them do

[vestal rivet]

dang

[hybrid gazelle]

there is no single ivllagers characters that appear in Fruma quest

have protrait

[clear scaffold]

only the king and seaskipper exist as villagers in fruma quests so yeah.

and since no one outside of the questline gets it.

[hybrid gazelle]

reminder there like other side fruma character

[split night]

Siegfried is outside of Fruma and still have a portrait so

[hybrid gazelle]

that are less promenient than those 2

getting protrait

like Xao who only appear for 2 quests

[split night]

and also the event guy as well

[hybrid gazelle]

Jiro who only appaer for 3 quests

[clear scaffold]

wait they gave him a portrait?

[split night]

yes

in the festival

[hybrid gazelle]

Aster and Siegfried got protrait yeah

lol

[clear scaffold]

oh festival

to be fair they update dialogue sometimes

[hybrid gazelle]

so that very telling they just skip over seaskipper captain and ragni king

[clear scaffold]

so probably had that in plans

[split night]

They are specifically avoid making portrait for villagers so it's safe to assume they are cooking something up

[lavish knot]

Villager retcon when

[hybrid gazelle]

someday

consider the history of villagers

[vestal rivet]

Villager race rework

[split night]

Still racist but under a different name and look

[hybrid gazelle]

they bound to get remove eventually

[vestal rivet]

Sellans!

[split night]

Sellans!

[ashen salmon]

testificates

[vestal rivet]

as long as they're still racist towards us and most of them are kinda stupid

[split night]

I feel like this is gonna stay

xd

[whole river]

I think villagers are kinda cool when there’s more of a diverse cast. We don’t really have many villager folk heroes that I think could be cool

Like there SHOULD be notable villager crusaders

[split night]

the fact that they are ranked above us in term of magic mean they are at least gonna be somewhat of a magical race if they get reworked

[vestal rivet]

the one villager folk hero we have is a human, Siegfried

[hybrid gazelle]

Siegfried being a huamn hero

[vestal rivet]

iirc Grookwarts is just retconed

[split night]

all villagers look near identical

[hybrid gazelle]

that like a super star to villager

make their racism toward human

kinad weird

unless they just see Siegfried as one of the good one

which is like

that probably funnier

[whole river]

I assume this is just cuz gavel is way too massive to make proper history for it but still

[clear scaffold]

imagine they're still called villagers though

[hybrid gazelle]

still being called villagers would be very stupid

[whole river]

We have edited villagers iirc

[split night]

im taking that in my headcanon because that's hilarious

[hybrid gazelle]

because they literally do not live in village

and if they do named villager

[whole river]

Like the eltom one

[hybrid gazelle]

how would you call villager's village

like do you call villager villager

if a village contain both human and villager population

or what

or do you just call them villager

[vestal rivet]

I mean
there already is history, both canon and implied
the language used throughout most of the province is like 99% probably just elven but adopted

they also have that old religion and monarchy

[whole river]

We have like nothing on the actual crusades though

No definitive details

[vestal rivet]

gavel can also be split into chunks
most of the villagers live in the western half

[split night]

we got like high quality model for the mirror scene from Two that appear for only like 1-2 minute is great
the light things and the dark things

[whole river]

Even the monarchy is pretty vague and it’s weird how hard it is to find that lore

Is it not weird we have like 0 cinfras focused quests

[split night]

I think they are getting more creative in designing entity

[vestal rivet]

yeah I had no idea what was going on in parts of Hollow Serenity because of this lol

[split night]

we have one i thnk

[whole river]

Exactly!

Hollow serenity kinda falls because the history of gavel is so criminally underutilized

[ashen salmon]

dont we have like 2 or 3 in the airbase

[split night]

yeah

[whole river]

That’s like airbase quests

I mean like the cinfras government

[vestal rivet]

look at the airbase though
may as well be a separate town

[whole river]

We still don’t know them at all

[split night]

do the gert thing count??

[whole river]

That’s the lake though

[split night]

i mean the nearest government that's capable enough to send army is Cinfras so

[vestal rivet]

Gavel has this weird democracy or republic going on where the towns seem to vote on leaders and/or representatives?

[whole river]

It’s just weird cuz detlas has a lot

And cinfras which should honestly be even more prosperous is a footnote

[split night]

Villagers are a undercooked rn they need more baking

[vestal rivet]

Detlas is also the closest thing we have to a main player hub

[split night]

they should make detlas bigger

[vestal rivet]

in 10 years, we get a WE and LR rework that just makes the open world a passive server-wide LR setting lol

[split night]

i don't want to travel from Gavel to Wynn for Pigmen Cave

or for boat sake

Grook's nest

[vestal rivet]

segmented by region ofc lol

[split night]

xd

[vestal rivet]

Wynn Plains, Desert/Mesa, Western Gavel, Eastern Gavel, Jungle, Nesaak+Lusuco Valley, SE, Fruma

[split night]

I really like that some of the heated or pinnacle moment of our journey have Detlas motif in it
like Play the Savour! or Safety's Hostage

[slender copper]

There are a few things that appear to be established about the Player (unless they can be up for interpretation) so give feedback on my thoughts:

• The player's inner self is represented as an flowing river of magic/mana. A catalyst as what we are described. (Apotheosis)
• The player can reach into the past involuntarily or at will (SDs/Quests)
• The player is separate but one with player's soul (Point of No Return)

[vestal rivet]

is it really the Detlas motif at this point? or is it some kind of hero motif

[split night]

<Character> is weirdly good at playing detective

given that we had 3 detective quests

xd

[split night]

yeah?

it is Detlas motif i think

i mean it start with Detlas then It's reasonable to name it like that

[ashen salmon]

player has Dimensional Scream confirmed

[vestal rivet]

serves the purpose of the motif for the indomitable human spirit at this point lol
overthrowing goddesses, surviving hellscapes, and beating the living daylight out of the divine

[solid ibex]

the player is very smort!

[split night]

https://youtu.be/VSmw--96t8A?si=_tT7hkfwI4Cq7CYX&t=146

like this, i mark the timestamp

[vestal rivet]

yep this is kicking divinity in the crotch here
fits

[split night]

I really like that we have Detlas motif in major event like this

[vestal rivet]

whatever we call it I agree with you

[split night]

it's like we're have the "thinking of something we love" power boost moment

friendship thing in anime

I love raids theme so much

it's so good

[vestal rivet]

does it play at any point in WTP?

I don't exactly have the best ear for this kind of stuff

[split night]

lemme check

[vestal rivet]

like literally
genetic hearing impairment

[solid ibex]

Syndra's fight (the rematch) iirc

or might be mixing some characters

[buoyant depot]

no that's correct

it plays in syndra2

[vestal rivet]

I have to get very familiar with it by hearing it over and over before I start being able to pick it out usually

[split night]

Im so used to listenning to Undertale/Deltarune song that my brain just start picking out familiar motif by instinct

[vestal rivet]

Freedom motif from DR is about my limit lol

because it's usually the main chorus or whatever

[lavish knot]

Wynncraft is a pmd prequel confirmed /j

[split night]

Anathema raid boss theme have like all of the Fruma theme songs in it

i can here aldwell in here

[vestal rivet]

dang even Aldwell?

[split night]

day in day out as well

[vestal rivet]

day in day out was expected

her barbs and her beauty both represented...

[split night]

alright i think i found it?

https://youtu.be/CaMYdF04_e4?si=mb3dW6J_nu3pvd-w&t=103

I'm pretty sure it's Detlas motif

[vestal rivet]

1:55?

can't really tell

[split night]

yeah

[solid ibex]

bro i cant wait for the official release of the raid ost

i bet the art is gonna be fire

[split night]

you can compare it to the one in Play the Saviour! to hear it clearly

it's Detlas motif yeah

[vestal rivet]

watch the WTP themes have a custom realm of war cover art

[split night]

I LOVE that major raid event have detlas motif in it, i wonder if TCC and TNA have it too xd

[vestal rivet]

what I'm really waiting for is for someone to release the orchestral remixes from that one resource pack that came out not long ago

[solid ibex]

ah, from corpse right?

or whatever his name was

i forgor

[split night]

corpe

[lavish knot]

Its intresting that Detals motif pops around here and there, considering that in ahc, ??? says that Detals is the closest place to a home for the player

[vestal rivet]

Corpe I think

not a dead body

Detlas theme is just Guardian theme
wasn't very present at first, but used very often as a heroic callback now

[split night]

Yeah, Detlas is basically <Character>'s home
so like every intense or major event would have song with detlas motif in it

[lavish knot]

Which makes me thing that

[split night]

do we own a house in detlas or we just pay rent

xd

[vestal rivet]

we travel so much and yet it's always still there waiting for us

[solid ibex]

actually since you mentioned that, it makes sense since the player is always there

we always go back to detlas

[lavish knot]

The quest location to activate that quest area is a small room in the barracks under some stairs

[solid ibex]

i hope the bartender has some fruma dialogue added

like we can tell bro what we did in fruma

[vestal rivet]

doesn't rn I think

[split night]

Detlas hold a special place in our heart I suppose, it's where a lot of major story quest start

[solid ibex]

mhm, also where the festivals are held

[vestal rivet]

going to a foreign land and "bearing both is beauty and its barbs" is a cool trope
to put it like Silksong did

[split night]

so like, when we are like down or something we have an anime friendship boost moment when Detlas motif plays

[solid ibex]

i wonder when we can do the festival story again

[vestal rivet]

foreign threats and untold vistas

[buoyant depot]

isn't the hero's leitmotif a separate thing from the detlas theme anyway

[split night]

Probably? I just like calling it detlas motif

[uneven basin]

can we find cerisa post revelations in smoke ?

[vestal rivet]

no idea
you can find Burick in his camp, idk about the other 2

[marble lantern]

get us an Airship to go from Detlas to Hyloch

[split night]

I don't see any technologies in Fruma that involve air travel beside hot air balloon

what if the fast travel from Fruma to detlas is literally hot air balloon

[mossy badge]

Corkus-kandon ctrl c ctrl v

They should just make the train go to ragni instead of fruma ocean gate and then u can just use the tunnel

(Why don't u use a scroll anyway 🤯 )

[split night]

because fast travel is great

i literally use the train to get to every where in fruma when i needed to

[zinc quarry]

how do settlements in the canyon of the lost function like at all

isnt stuff constantly shifting

[fervent sun]

you can find Arris somewhere in Aldwell

[zinc quarry]

wouldn't they get destroyed all the time

[fervent sun]

some are

[vestal rivet]

Yeah Burrick says that
But I can't find Arris in Aldwell stull

[fervent sun]

i remember seeing they in beta on a higher house in aldwell, not sure where anymore

tbh i havent done celebrations in smoke since the beta bc i didnt want to burn any of them

[cunning geode]

arris is at -1284, 124, -667

[drifting aurora]

theres some dialogue i never got the chance to take a second pass on

[split night]

odd ball case

[drifting aurora]

i imagine soosu as someone who was a child prodigy who had just become an adult when she became sovereign

[split night]

wouldn't like let her be an immortal kid make her more interesting and benefit other stuff related to lore

xd

right now she doesn't feel as much tragic as she was

[drifting aurora]

i dont think it inherently reduces the tragedy

the thing with soosu to me is

let me pull up some notes

honestly i just need to get around to rewriting some of her diaries

i think soosu acts childish on purpose

[split night]

I guess to put it better
her tragedy is still is the same it's just that like
i felt like she is a little bit less impactful knowing she's not like 12 but 18-20

having her be kid would amply a lot of thing like make Her's Majesty look more evil and also have her childhood robbed and stuff

[drifting aurora]

i dont think she's 12 regardless

[split night]

somewhere close to that at least xd

[drifting aurora]

this is the problem ultimately

[split night]

i think 14-16 is a good age range for Soosu

[drifting aurora]

which sucks

[split night]

honestly, if you can spin this fact well enough and pull it off in game
i mean if you can put it in game
then it would be fine

i'm just a tiny bit disappointed

[drifting aurora]

i think it can be done well

most of her diary entries i would say arent written especially well rn

because they werent intended to be final dialogue

i'll go get to 2 bits of it that were written to be final

[split night]

for being about 17-18 if i take it right
her tone sound a pretty bubbly and childish, i think that's fun

[drifting aurora]

i just gotta get tasim stuff written first

hate that guy

[split night]

xd

I mean it's a good way to demonstrating a character started shifting into a more nihilistic view as they gain the power to manipulate matter

[drifting aurora]

yea im saying these are the bits that were written as final dialogue, the rest wasnt

[split night]

It's a nice touch, and as I said, her tragedy remain the same, it just feel tiny bit less impactful
at least like, her youthful day got robbed instead of her childhood, that's... better? xd

also we want more fiona content

who was this girl

[regal spire]

A girl

[drifting aurora]

but she doesnt have him low, either. its a stalemate

[clear scaffold]

which if you're a normal fighter and got a sovereign to a stalemate that's a feat

[drifting aurora]

true

[regal spire]

Was Tasim actively trying to kill her?

I only remember the ending execution, which was clearly an attempt at killing her, but it looked like he was using some more blunt parts of his weapon during Rex’s fight

[split night]

I just imagine that it deal minimal damage or at least get hit 15% of your health with a good health regen
it's like weird because Rex doesn't move much when she shoot stuff

and Tasim move a lot in his fight so

I imagine Tasim just holding back a lot

[clear scaffold]

actually rex is a bit more evasive in tasim's fight.

[clear scaffold]

she does deflect his actual slash attacks with her bow

like he has no reason to spare her

[regal spire]

Any resource is valuable, if you can just memory wipe them later

[hybrid gazelle]

REX IS FUCKING CRACKED!!!!!!!!!!!!

[clear scaffold]

the queen wants them both dead

[split night]

You gotta remember that her thing deal physical damage, her best quality is that she is a sharp shooter
she hit her shot well, that mean she's very accurate, not that she's strong(?) ( depend on how you define being strong )
I mean I imagine giving her a gun would basically giving her a mythic

[regal spire]

The Queen a bih, Tasim cooler

[clear scaffold]

tasim's still loyal to her.. weirdly

nevermind she's trying to drown an entire area

[regal spire]

She IS kinda important

[split night]

This is like a thing where people confuse being good at using a bow versus actual strenght
I think just give Rex a gun and she automatically become very hard to deal with

[split night]

Nuance

[clear scaffold]

honestly corkus could probably make her a new arm

[split night]

It's a small cost compare to saving the world isn't it?

[split night]

😭

Yusano

[regal spire]

Rex gets a ghostly prosthetic

[split night]

man stop simping ofr corkus

[clear scaffold]

i was going off the one place possibly capable of doing cybernetics

[split night]

Yusano is perfectly capable of that

like

[drifting aurora]

yusanu has already made a prosthetic for quill

[regal spire]

Tbf, it’s a glorified peg leg

[split night]

why are you just pitching corkus here, it's unnecessary xd

[clear scaffold]

oh wait, yeah i forget yusano is also fully prosthetic based. for some reason i only remember being good for the relic

[regal spire]

His hips hurt with it on, too, after Deraj

[clear scaffold]

because for some reason i thought yus was only good with the relic

well. the rift thing

[regal spire]

At least, that’s what I thought was implied, with his hip and back pain

Working manual labor with a prosthetic sounds kinda miserable

[split night]

But anyway
Rex isn't strong but she's have a great accuracy
giving her a gun would be better than teaching magic

Like a Rex with a shotgun would be so peak

[clear scaffold]

honestly guns in wynn are just eh

[split night]

It still physical damage ( Neutral Damage )
You can see how effective it is against any element

[clear scaffold]

oh i mean i just don't like guns in wynn

or chainsaws

[split night]

because it isn't weak or strong against any element

[split night]

You don't like modern military in rpg setting is fine xd

i'm saying Rex with a shotgun is a good idea

[clear scaffold]

wouldn't she be better with a sniper

[split night]

she just need ammo and practice moving very fast while shooting

[clear scaffold]

also i'd like to point out, rex probably likes being able to switch arrow types on a dime

[split night]

she did an arrow burst thing so I just assume she's like a hybrid with bolt and sharp at the same time

and beside, shooting a gun is faster than reloading your bow

[clear scaffold]

actually that'd depend on your training

[split night]

💀

Okay then I'll take the gun, you take the bow, you get 10 years training, i need a month

that's how confidence i am in this

even the act of drawing a bow require a lot physical strenght too yeah

it will be very tiring in a drain fight

[hybrid gazelle]

guns in wynn are very under explore

but what we see in Fruma is that

Fruma have literal shotgun

gatling gun

musket

and that pretty much it tbh

[clear scaffold]

yeah and rex has a lot of stamina. Genuinely the gun argument is kinda weird. giving her a prosthetic with bow usage is cool.
and god i hate the gun usage in fruma

[split night]

weapon factory sniper:

[hybrid gazelle]

Dwarves do have blaster tho

or at least handheld cannon

[clear scaffold]

even in corkus where i like the robots the guns are getting stupid

[split night]

eh you just hate gun in fantasy setting xd

since it's already a thing that exist in WynnCraft, we can't really go back on it

[hybrid gazelle]

so far only constable seems to use firearms

tbh consider what we see from bandit

wynn likely will ahve guns as well

[split night]

genuinely like, with training
I can actually see Rex being an actual threat under armor and a shotgun

[hybrid gazelle]

or assume to have guns

consider htey have access to gun powder

[split night]

I think new Fruma would at least share their military tech to Wynn to aid in the corruption war, consider the geo-political state they are in

if they want to discontinue the recruit program that is

[hybrid gazelle]

I am not well verse in this

so I am not really sure if guns bullets would go through full palte armor or not

which is what constable and wing have

[split night]

I mean if they are like japanese

which does have armor that can block musket bullet

like the very ancient kind of gun that is still pretty effective

a normal bullet in the modern day would still pierce that armor though so xd

if they like, introduce piercing tech to bullet, i can see it being effective?

what if we have like, magical bullet

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah ofc but I dont think they have modern gun in this lol

well have gatling gun tho

and sniper rifle

so I am not show how advance is firearm technologyu in Fruma

but they so far does not seems to capable of making portable rapid fire

[split night]

the sniper rifle?
there is no known armor beside a tank that can tank a show like that xd

lemme check

[hybrid gazelle]

it's titantium rifle

consdier we only see it in weapon factory

it probably very rare

[split night]

I assume bullet proof vest are a lot better than the musket bullet armor the japanese made

[split night]

I think like, if gun are being more explore
I want to think of magic bullet

it's such a niche concept that i don't see much fantasy explore

like gun with magic in it

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider wynncraft magic system

I can imagine magic being used to enchance bullets during their manufacture process

To be higher quality than they would be

But having gun as focus sound fun

[split night]

can i have like a crackpot idea

what if we use cosmic crystal to make bullet

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure

Idk what it would do

It proabbly backfire really hard

[split night]

50% it give them cancer
50% it mutate them to be an insane monster

[ashen salmon]

either way you still have an enemy to deal with

[split night]

I'd imagine the bullet being too fast for us to like, focus our mana on so we can't really use magic on it

[whole river]

Imagine if Theorick had a Gatling gun

[split night]

but it will deal serious neutral damage

like even without element

[ashen salmon]

imagine if the player had a glock seventeen

[split night]

it would still deal big neutral damage just because it's a gun

[split night]

boltslinger with a gatling gun

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh I don’t think cosmic crystal should mutate people

Cause if it shit like gert

No

God I fucking hate gert

[ashen salmon]

two (2) quests of lore and then they fall off the face of the earth

gavel has like 47194728991747 races anyway so stuff like that naturally happens ig

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel writers somehow make the setting meta racist than warhammer wish it ever could be

[paper wyvern]

honestly I would be fine if they delete gert. I HATE that thtas the only real questline in gylia plains

RoL covers dark forest. The orc war covers llevigar plains, RoL and aldorei cover light forest. then gylia plains just has gerts

[whole river]

Kinda wish the secret discovery about Eileen’s fate was like..an actual quest

I doubt they’ll revamp it to be a quest but alas it’s a missed opportunity

[regal spire]

The Gert SD’s are literally 100x better than what we got with Hunger of Gerts

Idk what they were going with that questline. I never thought I’d miss Big Butch lol

[narrow kestrel]

Im still pisssssssssssed we didnt get much of syndra before she got killed off by the writers

let granny have hype moments and aura before she gets foddered pls

maybe auburn UD features her solo'ing like 483020203 palace guards before she made the deal with zhiroak

[paper wyvern]

Honestly I wish we actually fought alongside our allies

Like why the fuck aren't they blue NPCs during fights where they should show up

I do hope they do a second pass at some point to add music where it's missing and allied NPCs in boss battles

[narrow kestrel]

time constraints is the most likely answer

because the tech is there

• they seem confident in their "wastelands probably 1 year from now at worst" pointing to time constraints even more

🫃

[paper wyvern]

Yeah I'm already assuming it's going to be delayed

[summer bluff]

It'll be done in time for spirits festival 2027 trust

[vestal rivet]

guiding spirits out of fruma sounds unfun

[split night]

they should let us access Ragni from Fruma using the ice cave thing, why are there barriers here

[remote onyx]

Guiding my spirit buddy onto the Fruman train car

[whole river]

they’re scared of the global lootrun route

[shut mist]

To prevent lvl ones in fruma

[split night]

oh right

people will always find a way

[signal bough]

why cant they just have another gate

you break some ice and then it's navigable

I guess currently how it's set up has the stele exposed to lvl 1s

[vestal rivet]

it's a lore thing, should be fine tbh

[signal bough]

and the mole

[unique pumice]

Bro im saying

I was expecting it in so many places that it wasnt

ESPECIALLY that one quest where we go through hyloch

And they've done it before in other quests surely its not that hard to add

[steep forum]

i love mistwoods

[frozen turtle]

mistwoods best region

[paper wyvern]

I mean the issue is they can't exactly give the attacks from gikyo fight or syndra fights to them so they would have to make new attacks

[steep forum]

I'd like to mention ive been backreading a whole bunch of discussions on gikyo and the like in this channel

not a single person ever has spelled Ophir name properly. not one.
(if you dont remember they're the one burned during First Wicker's Spark)

come on...

[signal bough]

Boring aah fridged background changeling

[unique pumice]

Just have them do main attacks i dont even need special ones

Cant be that hard to make rex shoot a bow

[paper wyvern]

I don't actually think there's any moving friendly NPCs that shoot

[regal spire]

No one give a hoot bout our foxy, deer Ophthalmology

[naive pawn]

Random tidbit that means nothing but inside the Aelumia university it looks like the current model is heliocentrism with some disastrous orbits lol

[dim plover]

Wait I thought they said that they were removing that

Like in the beta

[rustic nexus]

yeah it seems they haven't removed that yet

😭

it's uncorrect though if you're wondering

[regal spire]

What you don’t know is that they all orbit within the exact same distance of the sun, so it’s not a problem!

[glass mesa]

what and where is boss room in tna supposed to be?

[regal spire]

Their orbital paths match down to the closest nanoscale for measurement

[regal spire]

A big slab in the void

[glass mesa]

oh

[regal spire]

Why don’t you read some of the Wynnic on it

[glass mesa]

what is wynnic

[slender copper]

...it's a language in Wynncraft, native to the region of Wynn.

[regal spire]

[icy juniper]

tcc and the ahms collossus are different entities right

[slender copper]

You get a translator from the ultimate secret discovery in the wynn region.

[regal spire]

Well, what would make them the same, to start with

[icy juniper]

they look super similar

just making sure by asking though

[regal spire]

They just look similar, dw

They’re two Goliath twin constructions, one of which fell into the void/split open the ahmsord region, whilst the other is about to do the same to the CotL

[icy juniper]

also is the space below the ahms region just a portal to another dimension or smth because it makes no sense with the world being a planet and all

[regal spire]

Think of it like a wormhole/a slip into the 4th dimension

The void is basically that space between realities all theoretical physics dudes are tryna prove.

Only difference is it’s right there in the Wynn world. Just a big rip in the fabric of space

For whatever reason, the colossus and TNA can rip through this fabric in space

[slim belfry]

they're really really good at hitting things

* that are not moving

[regal spire]

Stromg

I always thought that the big TCC we fight wasn’t a sword dude, and was strictly a brawler

[icy juniper]

are angels and harpies related at all or does that not mean anything lol

[regal spire]

They could be. Their biology and whether or not their similarities are convergent or not isn’t specified

[icy juniper]

yeah I was just doing world events in the canyon of the lost and ahms and I noticed they're similar

[regal spire]

They very well could be

[buoyant depot]

how do we think each sovereign would fare against tcc or greg

[icy juniper]

who's greg again

[buoyant depot]

the nameless anomaly ✌️

[icy juniper]

I think majin wipes them, I feel like zhiraoak has some weirdness to his ability because he said he got stronger since last time he fought us so maybe him dying increases his strength so thats hard for me to scale, but soosu, gikyo, and two aren't really combatants and don't have abilites that play well against them imo Tasim is relative to aledar and aledar was wiped by SE

[lavish knot]

Are there any post wtp dialogue path that doesn't end with in death?
Wanna save up my runes

[icy juniper]

only one kills you if thats what you're asking

[vestal rivet]

yeah literally only 1 can kill you and you have to COMMIT to it lol

[lavish knot]

Oh I mean are there any where after I finish the dialogue path, I can do another one

[paper wyvern]

I believe theres 1 path like that

and tis that 1 option and 1 path are connected

[dim plover]

I feel like if I knew that the Tasim alt route would take more than a month after release to be added I would have probably entered Fruma when the update came out

[icy juniper]

I honestly wish you could refight the bosses for a reward rather than just for fun

[icy juniper]

?

[dim plover]

I legitimately thought it was just some dialogue changes or smth why is it taking so long lmao

[paper wyvern]

I still wish stealing worked on bosses

[dim plover]

I haven't actually entered Fruma yet

Like, on any of my classes

[lavish knot]

Which dialogue specifically?

[dim plover]

Because the alt route where you tell Tasim about Aledar was removed after the beta because it was unfinished

And I thought it would be added by now

[drifting aurora]

post-fruma release burnout

[dim plover]

I think I was too confident that it would be added in like a week or smth because we already had the Queen's Recruit part of it in beta

[whole river]

There’s a universe where we kill tasim and aledar route appears

[dim plover]

Should I just like

I'm really tempted to just sacrifice a class

But sunk cost fallacy kicks in every time I consider it

[drifting aurora]

yes!!!!! you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[paper wyvern]

I mean yeah if you sac a class you can access fruma with the rest

[dim plover]

Should I just assume that the alt route won't come out anytime soon

[paper wyvern]

just assume its coming out with wastelands so 2 years min

[dim plover]

Don't the world events have quest reqs

[drifting aurora]

❌

[dim plover]

And like, the other stuff

[drifting aurora]

i think most things have become global reqs

[dim plover]

Like if the alt route is coming out really soon (like, within the next 2-3 patches or smth) then I'll hold on for longer

[paper wyvern]

its not that I dont have faith its just yall have a reputation

[dim plover]

Otherwise if it's going to take another month then I'll just do Fruma rn

[paper wyvern]

but yeah itss probably not for another month given a lack of anything on it rn

[drifting aurora]

just do fruma

[paper wyvern]

anyway I now need to report a bug cause taism teleports out of reality when im fighting hinm

[whole river]

Don’t remind me I have to fight him on another character

[dim plover]

Fool Eater just appeared twice in a row maybe this is a sign

[whole river]

His fight is the real bug fest not zhiraok

Took me three hours to beat tasim on a “0% lag” server

[paper wyvern]

im pretty sure if he does the teleport attack while you are vanished he also vanishes but he vanishes forever

[drifting aurora]

are you an assassin with vanish

right. figured