📚lore_discussion

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versus gavel which is old wynn writing and is just all over the place

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we ate a buffet that is fruma

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fuma

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Fruma is so fkin golden

Beautiful and amazing

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Like in my hypothetical rewrite of early wynn I would have it a lot more focused around wynnex honestly

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also the faithful meant to be foreshadowing Lutho citizens btw

you can see their eyes are empty

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Have wynnex be the Act 1 comically evil villain

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Complex

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comparing Fruma to Gavel is like 5 star beef to moldy bread

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show the secret society having an impact

then we get to gavel and start seeing the decay and the beginnings of the realm conflicts

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Oh yeah

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I'm not quite sure what to do with east gavel and the colussus

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Fr

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17 more years

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then we go to Fruma and meet the queen

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I think WynnEx is a rly good tease at Gavel

WynnEx is is such a great villain

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If we want to tie wynnex into the greater story

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But so underdone

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Have Lari show up and imprison Amadel after he just keeps getting up and up and up again

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twist villain make no sense

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Show her competence and how she helps out with this, and have her pacifism work out in how she calms the meteors' influence on their minds

Which then makes the decay and dern all the more intimidating with how ineffective she is against it

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there are no logical reason for Amadel to pretend like a traitor for us to believe him beside for the love of the game xd

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Huh

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she can't remoev it, she can't do anything like that

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Oh yeah the individual characters in WynnEx make no sense

But the concept is great

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It makes dern all the more intimidating compared to the act 1 villains

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are you taking note
please bless us

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versus now where they're just... weird

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If this gets implemented I am claiming all the credit /s

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Business from other continent comes to a new one, engages in political corruption, kidnapping, blackmail, and murder, mines all their shit

Honestly detach WynnEx from the cult part and lean full capitalism

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it would also play into how Fruma similarly bullies wynn

gavel just does it more secretly

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Fr

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every year or two for a rework main questline in the game is worth it
like 1 year after fruma we get SE rework
2-3 year we get RoL, 4 year we get Wynnex

something like that

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oh yeah I've been loving all the rewrork stuff we've gotten

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It should rly be clear that we (as Wynn's champion) are coming into a continent absolutely destroyed by the Corruption, WynnEx, and Fruma

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I've been powerleveling a mage to see all the new stuff along the way and there's tons of good little stuff too

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no im just confused by that combination

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like I noticed the blacksmith in Nesaak is now a human, the elevators in Rymek are way better implemented

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wynnex has ties to gavel sure but it's a wynn province thing. why is lari here

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I'm just spitballing ideas here tbh

It doesn't need lari to show up at all

Have amadel die like he does normally and it works just as well

I'm just going off the previous discussion of lari's pacifism needs some basis for it to make more sense to the player

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here more close up of the faithful

they just look like fucked up

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Also I think Corkus benefits from more early teases (like what Dern, Gavel, and Fruma get)

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like we see the steel feather has a deal with Soosu and they're one of the most flourishing rebel groups

but at the same time, they can't really attack the larger issues at the same time

show how Lari can handle the small stuff, have her at least like... help with the worms maybe

Have it parallel the parasite with orphion

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Lari solo Amadel,,,

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where we need to incapacitate the big worm so lari can cleanse it

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https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDNSr2ibQAE6ER3.webp

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Lari just needs to have some kind of competence outside of RoL 5 lmao

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I feel like Lari might win this battle

she made Bak'al ran

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she made bak'al run and she ties with us during RoL 4 after we defeat Amadel like 20 times in a row

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I rly adore Corkus and I think the struggle between two well meaning groups (refugees and an indigenous population) and struggling with AI, questions about nature and technology, and cultural trauma can always be more developed

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we have some plans for RoL changes already

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I am glad to hear it lmao

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Guys Lexnt leak it to me but ROL rewrite will contain Realm of Light

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And the Corkians are kinda obvious allies for the PC

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I trust whatever yall have in mind is good after fruma

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is not that shit crazy

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fake news

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this is just me spitballing before we see it in a few years of development or whatever

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Nah RoL will contain Orphion and Saphanis kissing

More Corkus more Corkus more Corkus

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Orphion and Saphanis toxic doomed yaoi for the realm wars, true story

Corkus has so many damn caves and so little anything else lmao

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Yeah

More Corkus quests pleaseeeeeee

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i've been powerleveling different classes while waiting for the "tell Tasim the truth" update

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And have my boy Maxxie and my girl Ava meet the damn Frumans

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and once you get to corkus levels there's just a random new cave every level or two

I dgaf about the steamworks, give me something else to do lmao

have us get involved in the dispute between the avos and corkians

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we need war right outside of Fruma

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take inspo from the hunter's calling and have it be the AI pitting them against eachother with false flags, as we, Maxie, and Ava find out the truth

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OH MYG OD YES

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More interesting than just jumping around to random places for a few keys to unlock the factory lmao

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dude yes yes yes

Make the factory smarter and more complex and more terrifying

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and then have the "everyone hates Ava" questline resolve with more than her getting a little gay boy to teach in her tower while exiled from literally everyone

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As an AI doomer i always need more AI doom

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Fr

Also Avas magic is rly cool

And I want more

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I want more lore on how magic works in general

like, whats up with the orcs worshipping the earth

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Yeah I hope we get that tied into the rune door

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who tf is garaheth

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And now with all the manaweaver stuff

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how is the avos using nature magic

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Oh yeah that was so random

So theres a giant fire demon from another dimension

Completely disconnected from the corruption

We will never reference this ever again

Also you will be inside of him

o7

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It also kinda undercuts the storyline of D&D when the doguns actually are just demonspawn and it wasn't just racist propaganda

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Yeah

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make them fire or earth elementals instead

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he is here to be scary in the quest 😔

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ooo, spooky blocks which look like big flaming skeleton

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The worldbuilder in my brain is just like oh my oh my god demons there are demons now is this a new realm of influence or is this a new axis along the complicated lore of wynn

we already have space travel time travel inter-realm travel soul travel mind travel etc

is this a new sort of realm or another after life (given that weve already met death)

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I mostly just want corkus and D&D to be rewritten cause like

we visit two different areas with lots of racism in them and that never comes up in the breaking point

We even get the elder doguns going "Oh, you will pay for this later"

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?

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and then boom: zero epilogue

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The play called them demons, the one we see at the start

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im not sure i would label them demonspawn

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i mean that epilogue kinda comes in canyon colossus

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and then it turns out they come from a demon, according to their own words

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i think they moreso mean the demon worshipping thing

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Yeah they literally worship a demon

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but i want more out of canyon colossus aftermath

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we have a lore definition for demons that's different to the standard one, but garaheth is a bad example of it

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finally a resolution to the chaos of eastern gavel

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Yeah I just want more lore to demons in that case lmao

just to make it clear "no, they aren't pure evil beings of darkness"

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but we dont see much of the effects on the doguns the dwarves and the canyon people

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Yeah that's what I mean

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wait

there are good demon?

huh I see

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Like at the end of breaking point we have the elders looking to the king and going "we will punish you later"

and then we get zero indiction of what happens after the raid

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yeah

it is very much unresolved

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I mean, it IS explained, and it IS in a way depression induced by the information she received from her magic

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but thats kinda the issue w the non-WTP/RoL raids

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and dungeons too tbh

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Yeah

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Spider dungeon is the only one where we actually get a resolution with tasim and aledar at the end

and is why it's my favorite dungeon: it at least feels connected to the story lmao

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I mean decrepit sewers is very good for what its sposed to be

As is EO

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Versus like, the AI dungeon where Maxie just mentions "oh yeah that got dealt with"

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But yeah FF needs work bro

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Decrepit sewers is just a weird thing that happens at the beginning of just weird monsters in a sewer

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Hope it gets revamped when we get Corrupted FF

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like, we need one of the random early quests to mention it

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Yeah its just an introduction to the dungeon mechanics

You go in clear some shit and go out

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Imply that poisoning the pest happened cause the farmer had sewer runoff into his farm which raised his dad from the dead

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Galleons is also pretty good at what its trying to be

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i think most dungeons could do with a tasim and aledar style epilogue tbh

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I love Ice Barrows (probably my fav dungeon) but I think it (as with FF) needs a fleshed out aftermath

Yeah

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To make that first visit more memorable

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Ice Barrows especially

And FF

FF should have a full epilogue w Maxxie (and Ava if they rope her in)

I always want more corkus

But im a greedy fiend

And want more wynncraft in general

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sewers we can have one of the duo join us, spiders we have both of them, crypt has our favorite british gentleman, sanctum has... the weird time travelling old man maybe, tomb has junes, ice barrows has the mage we talk to, undergrowth ruins has lanu, galleon's has the captain, and then EO can move Aledar's death to right before the Eye boss door so it makes it more tragic that he dies right at the finish line

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Oh Crypt is fun from a lore PoV (especially corrupted crypt)

Ice Barrows has theorick and i will always take more theorick

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Having them all have an NPC companion even just like, statinoed throughout it for extra dialogue liek Aledar and Tasim for spider dungeon

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Yeah fr

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then a short epilogue where we talk to them afterward

It would make the dungeons feel a lot more cohesive to the story

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Honestly i think a good idea is having some quests require the completion of a dungeon

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like how both RoL and WTP has an epilogue scene after them

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literal torture

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But loreeee

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make the dungeon better first before doing that

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I mean in this hypothetical revamp dungeons would also be made better at the same time lmao

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Could u imagine an aftermath of FF quest taking inspiration from AHC like what Solar said

Yeah ofc ofc

Like i hate undergrowth w my whole heart

My least fav dungeon (aside from corrupted LS but im not counting it since theyre pretty obviously gonna fix it)

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I really don't want to Eldrich outlook just to be able to do AHC
that fucking ass parkour is what causing all of the frustration

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that's also Eldritch Outlook being generally frustrating overall lmao

From my experience its a huge difficulty spike from previous dungeons

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Oh yeah the EO parkour fkin sucks

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then you need to stare at the floor and do parkour for like 5 minutes

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Dude i have to edit my fov like crazy during it

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Easy Solution: No more AHC. It sucks lmao

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Nah the concept is too cool to delete it

It has its issues but rly interesting idea

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make it be the last quest you do before entering RoD would be so MUCH better

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And i love the theorick fight in it

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Oh yeah frrr

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like fuckass why is it position right before Fruma

😭

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Maybe if it wasn't 30 stage quest running around the map to find hidden trigger points to see cutscenes which amount to

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The theorick fight and the tasim/aledar fight are both rly interesting conceptually

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HArd disagree

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Oh yeah ditch the hidden triggers

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"oh, but what if bad thing happened? Wouldn't that be spooky? I have nothing important to say about this"

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There is zero way to do "haha but it was all a dream" satisfyingly

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I agree with you

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It shouldnt be haha it was a dream tho

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and then the one weirdly long Corkus stage which is like "what if Corkus was a bit more interesting"

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And it shouldnt be just bad thing happen

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It wasn't even dream, it was drug

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the fact that it was inches away from "haha it was all a dream but PSYCHE YOUR SOUL'S CORRUPTED NOW BECAUES YOU THOUGHT ABOUT BAD THINGS AHHAHAHA" is like

ugh

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It should be the first time rly getting to know saphanis

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yall are lucky I came up with "to what end"

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move it in future to right before Dern in the hypothetical dern update

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you saying it like you're gonna kiss Saphanis

xd

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And bak’al in it i feel kinda fucks up saphanis’s point

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Have the creature be manipulating fate to make bad things happen in the past

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to what end?

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Dude saphanis a baddie

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and then we have to fight through apocalyptic hypotheticals to prevent them happening

and then we get to dern

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hey i like goth birds too don't get me wrong, it's just that im not into the bird part that much

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also cut likr half the stages and make the other halves as interesting as corkus one

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Bak’al is like omg i do torture and horror but saphanis is like is morality rly black and white what if things were different what can i offer you

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the end is dodging the question of "what if we made darkness corrupt the player's soul, for funsies"

that's what end

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and instead of fighting Aledar and Tasim we snap out of it, turn around, and fight Bak'al with them

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Id say just focus on Theorick Corkus and Detlas tbh

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we break free of the corruption and are able to do a good thing at the end

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like.

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which thus allows us to open Dern

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if we're going to suddenly do that to the player at least make it MEAN SOMETHING

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Also the quest lock on hunted mode is a cool concept

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boom, more interesting than weird waxing poetic about nothing

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Nahhhhhh hard disagree

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I just want a resolution beyond

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have us break the obelisk!! have us go cut supply lines!! have "corrupted soul" MEAN SOMETHING IN A GAME WHERE CORRUPTION IS A PRIMARY ENEMY!!!

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"bad things happened, and wouldn't that suck? ok bye"

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I say lean AHC into its pitch lean into a different version of events dont make it blatantly clownishly evil like Bak’al is

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again I'm not gonna say this is good but it's better than "bad things happened, and wouldn't that suck? ok now that youve thought about it youre evil now. ok bye"

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yeah exactly lmao

I'm spitballing these ideas on the spot and they're more interesting than what we got

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Like the Saphanis dialogue feels very different from most of the events that happen in AHC

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if we move the quest to the future also get Tasim involved and have him angst over Aledar being there in those futures

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My affection for AHC comes entirely from the Aledar fight the Theorick fight and the Saphanis dialogue tbhhhh

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just something to make it mean something

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But i do have affection for it

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It has like 3 interesting parts to it but no emotional core

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the Saphanis dialogue tbhhhh
the what

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where does DB talk in AHC

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The ??? dialogue

I just assume thats saphanis

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no that's spooky ghost man

spooky ghost man who makes you think bad things

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Alt Outcome where we have Lari not become as scion and that bum ass Orphion left to suffer

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that's not Saphanis, that's the drug dealer

like some random ass guy just giving you vision for fun

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that's a hell of a leap

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wow so you just assume it was Saphanis just because the guy is black wow

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🙁

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Saphanis is the one in the tower near EO dungeon

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random question but are there any nonbinary characters other than afelis and gikyo

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I am getting justifiably flamed

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Cileon

Mel

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There are some random ones scattered throughout the story

they aren't advertised (good)

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can you rephease that

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fair point lmao

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carefully

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Hey hey hey I have Saphanis’ friends

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They aren't advertised (they should just be normal people, not have a flag stuck to their back to make them special)

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it's good that they're treated as normal instead of anomalies worth specific neon signage-type attention

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having them just exist and not be pointed out and have a dialogue about it and people questioning it like so much modern media does

like Gikyo is a major sovereign and they're just nonbinary

nobody mentions it or questions it

they just are

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is Fishcu non binary?

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thanks, i only knew gikyo/afelis and they both ||die || at some point and wwondered if someone didnt

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I feel like I heard somewhere they are

but I am not sure

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My pronouns are he/they because part of me is an eldritch horror beyond your comprehension

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can someone fact check

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what did Content Team meant by this

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WYNNCRAFT WORLD IS NOT KIND TO ENBY PEOPLE

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Wynncraft is obviously extremely queerphobic

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is nonbinary
|| dies ||
(this is proven 100% not true)

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We dont do any of that yaoi shit here (||hides Aledar and Tasim in the corner||)

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Mel is nonbinary

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do we only have one transfem allegory character and she also die

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Closet thing to trans allegory in Wynncraft
is a literal dictator

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mel just gets kicked out of fruma with everyone else

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Why did Chara make them do this

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hy did Lexnt do this

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damn, really like these landscapes, the only thing I could think of are clouds(cloud cave would be cool) and then the very stone of the landscape being square, not the pyrite of bremynn-hyrra but like megalithic stone structures

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Oops

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Saphanis and Orphion are toxic gay dads and Ana is their transfem dictatorcore daughter

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divorcce really does make people go into worse path

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Anathema wouldve been fine if Orphion just paid child support instead of continuously adopting and disowning scions

And Saphanis is simply birb glorbo who can do no wrong and is also definitely spooky drug dealer ghost man in AHC and if anyone says otherwise I will simply accept it because we only engage in love and respect in the Saphanis household; come join the dark side we have cookies

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im glad i only have one thing in common with Anathema

otherwise the world would be different if i have two things in common with her

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the RoL seems like it's a little hard to design, because of the fact the most interesting things in it would be inside the NoL

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the freaky 4 face spinning guy is in a WE outside of the nexus

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Dern is helped by having a whole giant chunk of the map to show off cool designs and interesting environments

for all I dislike about SE it's design is peak

RoL gets a tiny island

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I'm very glad that SE was made first before RoD so after Fruma, the quality for RoD is gonna be so good

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Dude your dads are Orphion and Saphanis?

(/j)

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I feel so sorry for you if so, nobody deserves those dads

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I forgot that my biodad leave my family when i was young so like
i have two things in common with her

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Orphion behavior (that sucks dude fr)

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(and that RoL is the realm of light, SE isn't even the realm of dark, its just been influenced makes it worse lol)

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eh idrc about the ass, shit was at least 10 years ago xd

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yeah compare it to the light forest which is just generic fantasy mishmash

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Dern finna be the size of the current world map with how badly Saphanis is cooking Orphion’s fraudulent ass

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i feel like the RoL is bigger but they maybe just didnt want to make it big

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it suffers from early wynn bad scaling lmao

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I mean it makes sense lorewise for it to be tiny

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That too

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we have one quest and go to three random points in it and that's it

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or just making an entire giant region for like 1 quest may just be a waste

i think its just small for gameplay reasons

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Yeah yeah im just sayin the lore justifies it being smol

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tbh just have a mention of Lari going "whoa, what happened to everything? why is it so much smaller? the parasite must have destabilized it so much..."

have it directly addressed and made a plot point

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Given how utterly cooked orphion is

Yeah

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you could still utilize verticality more than what's being done

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Thats a general wynncraft problem tho

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also the nexus is across an island right

so the realm of light could just be multiple islands which we only go to 1

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Theres not much up and down and basically all the mountains have barrier blocks

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True

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a sick ass RoL cliff-face would be nice

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this is already a thing btw

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Is it?

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yeah

it is

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Gn o7

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Lexnt

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Huh

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I miss Lari

can you bring her back

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guess my brain empty truly

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No

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even just one island still needs more content anyway lmao

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wait

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You visit RoL for the quest and then to snap up the cave and never return

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anyways can't wait for Lari to reform Bak'al offscreen

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did Lari enter RoL before

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...we DO have an npc that could serve as a questgiver in the realm of light for another quest

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Tear coming out of my eyes like waterfall

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Yeah she's orph's scion so she got to in the past

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idk for some reason i remember that lari couldnt enter the tree at all

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before dad locked the door and she couldn't get in anymore

orph very much didn't like her approach to the parasite lmao

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it sounded like several elves went through

or really tried to go through

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im pretty sure aldorei part 2 says the elders couldnt get in

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Can we please have one funny Lari protrait in ROL rewrite

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Yeah it's not expanded on much

RoL in general needs just

better exposition lmao

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500358300305199186/Sui_Nom_NOM_nom.gif

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lari has been to the realm of light (to become orphion's scion initially, presumably)

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just remove lari

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Less tell more show

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1/52 dialogue moment

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ughhh I want non raid NoL

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RoL 3 just being a string of flashbacks for a character with zero resolution

Just make Dullahan a dungeon in the eventual dungeon revamp we get that I talked about earlier

have lari travel with us through it

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did not they mention how if they cut the guardian tree, they could go to ROL

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its really funny to me that fruma has longer dialogues than this and gets away with it

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they sure thought so. but they werent able to actually get in

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just cause u cant see the numbering anymore honestly

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Elder Elm: What did you see this time?
Elder Prometheus: It was unclear... The only thing I'm certain of is that he contacted me.
Elder Prometheus: I think... I think he wants us to witness him. This is finally our chance to grasp the light.
Elder Prometheus: And I know how we do that!
Elder Hickory: What are you implying?
Elder Prometheus: The Guardian of the Forest.
Elder Prometheus: You must have realized by now that he is a direct contact to the other side. I think... I think it's time.

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I wanna add Faithful lore so mcuh because it's the irony,,,

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and also Fruma quests were way better/mor engaging that it didnt matter

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I mean in fruma we at least get more interesting characters and interactions lmao

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I kinda wish they added back the numbering like, beside the nameplate or something

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vs a tree we never met before explaining to us and Lari about how pacifism sucks

[hybrid gazelle]

also I will be real Lexnt, you kinda save me there because I feel like I would go mad if I continue to rewrite fan ROL 😭

[frozen turtle]

it makes it hard to gauge where you are in dialogue whih is kinda annoying

[hybrid gazelle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDjeVDsW4AAghul.gif

[frozen turtle]

cause i think it does something jump around when u select different options

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL fan rewrite make me so fucking mad, IDK if I can ever get back to it

[formal bridge]

I personally find RoL hard to rewrite in my head cause like

it's so mid in terms of wynn writing

like Wynnex I have more ideas for cause it's just so bad

fruma is already amazing and has maybe one or two changes it could use

But RoL is so tantalizingly close to good

[frozen turtle]

Fruma is perfect wdym

[frozen turtle]

eh

[drifting aurora]

fruma definitely isnt perfect lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah Tasim alive at the end

surely that mean it not perfect

[frozen turtle]

Frumai s the most perfect piece of gameplay ever made

[formal bridge]

Zeph and Rex have to share a character spot as the besto friendo we have in the leaves

which makes both of them kinda limp in character

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah honestly

I think the story could do more scene and stuff

[signal bough]

nooo it's peak

[hybrid gazelle]

some character get a side line a bit

Soosu is biggest victim of this

[formal bridge]

RoL meanwhile has just Lari in it

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel so sorry for soosu

[frozen turtle]

RoL struggles with characters & also just gameplay (ROL 3 cutscenes are kinda annoying)

[formal bridge]

and I like Lari

but that's the entire substance of a five quest long line

[winged narwhal]

when will they fix Fruma by letting us date Two

[frozen turtle]

I feel like the entirety of Mistwoods is kinda sidelined

[hybrid gazelle]

one issue i have with Fruam story is thta there so much going on in Roughwork that you cant really just make it 3 parts quest

but at the same time

if you make roughwork has more than 3 then it just

[formal bridge]

I've said it before but yeah, Mistwoods definitely feels the empriest of the four regions

[hybrid gazelle]

not propotional to other quest at all

[formal bridge]

and that's despite it having more content than a lot of similarly sized areas elsewhere on the map

[frozen turtle]

I love the idea / look / feel of Mistwoods the most but its the emptiest quest/content wise

[jovial cosmos]

Soosu:

https://klipy.com/gifs/ynsanuz-overwatch--k01KRDDZWY7K1KPEVB7MP4MKDB2

[frozen turtle]

Gikyo is even more sidelined then Soosu

[signal bough]

the biggest hole is an Aldwell introductory quest

[hybrid gazelle]

also highland TECHNCIALLY has one quest because for EoH, you already go all over the place

well I mean

Apotheosis is more of highland quest

too but yeah

[formal bridge]

highlands just has the entire final act which makes it feel more involved lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

like it fine

[signal bough]

you and Sui rock up and Sui is just like 'oh, huh, secret mistwoods civilization, meh, let's just kidnap someone and get this over with'

[hybrid gazelle]

Aldwell need bette rintroduction

Gikyo probably need A BIT more screentime

I alreayd have suggestion for this

[formal bridge]

Yeah it's the only region where we barely get to interact with the local resistance despite it feeling interesting

[signal bough]

I want to see more Azael

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma is flawed but it fine

it far better than other quest in the game rn

[formal bridge]

like the blooming blades are intentionally useless, but the canopy feels like it should be so much more important than the time given to it would imply

Oh yeah this is like

[hybrid gazelle]

I ope they use it as foundation for future story

[formal bridge]

a B for a grade when the rest is As and A+s

versus the rest of the map where B is a shining example lmao

If I had to sum up the main problem with the rest of wynn writing outside of Fruma

It's a lack of substance

We rarely get other characters to bounce off of and enjoy watching like we do in Fruma

And often they either vanish entirely or get murdered in front of us

Every character death in Fruma felt way more impactful than any prior

[signal bough]

I'm hoping the npcs in queen's recruit is a signal for future quest reworks

[hybrid gazelle]

it is

[formal bridge]

It 100% is yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Captain Kymer hint for orc war rewrite

ft. Tasim

Mel allude to future stuff in Troms

[signal bough]

Picard is the GOAT ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

Lanu and Linton uhh exist

Jenprest too

Picard Ia mnot sure

[formal bridge]

Orc war rewrite, wynn rewrite, D&D rewrite

Pretty much everything outside fruma is going to be rewritten eventually lmao

[frozen turtle]

Idk if its just cuz you spend more and more time in Fruma but each region felt less and less impactful entering for the first time

[formal bridge]

I think its also that each of them were just frankly worse and worse intros each time lmao

Auburn gets a huge big quest to sneak in and get past the fortress which then impacts the rest of the story from then on

[signal bough]

Hyloch was a step up from the previous

Aelumia is no bueno

[formal bridge]

Roughworks has us just barely getting away from Zhiraok and the big show of his revival ability

[quartz mist]

she does

[formal bridge]

We meet the canopy as we enter mistwoods and thats ok

[winged narwhal]

how many colonialisms will Tasim do

[formal bridge]

And then we just kinda enter the highlands pretty freely

[formal bridge]

This was already pointed out to me earlier

[frozen turtle]

it also kinda helps for the first two that the regions are blocked off completely (from sight as well)

which really adds to the initial factor

[formal bridge]

For sure

[signal bough]

Aelumia needs so much more

[formal bridge]

Mistwoods has a bit of build up right before it

[signal bough]

it towers over the whole map

every region you can look up and see it

[quartz mist]

ah

[formal bridge]

Aelumia is okay as is but it could definitely use... something to do there

Mistwoods feels like wasted potential while Aelumia just feels like "oh yeah that exists"

And even then this is in context of the grading curve that Fruma is on where even an okay region stands out compared to peak in so many other places

Aelumia still clowns most if not all islands in the ocean via presence and presentation alone lmao

[winged narwhal]

its too bad Aelumia isn't in the lootrun

but like, narratively it'd be awkward to have more quests there

[formal bridge]

Yeah it suffers from fruma kinda blowing it's load in highlands

What else would there be to do in aelumia

Maybe like... a side quest there? A cave?

Theres rhe SD there

[signal bough]

1. Aelumia is too high-leveled. It's a 119 region, but every enemy in it is 120+.
2. You have 2 friendly npcs in the whole region, and one is quest-locked
3. the Lighthouse is unmentioned by any NPC
4. Apotheosis, the only quest starting in Aelumia, mostly takes place in the highlands

[winged narwhal]

any quests would need to figure out what happens after Apotheosis, really

[winged narwhal]

there are five caves

[signal bough]

there's a couple caves. Some side quests, and I was thinking that like the kantyr, you could have friendly fox, deer, and owl clan members spawn around the city

[formal bridge]

Oh yeah

Maybe replace random caves with a side quest then lmao

Reminds me kinda of corkus which is so filled with caves but I forget all of them

[winged narwhal]

itd be rather hard to do an aelumina side quest given the fact that you're there as an invading army

[signal bough]

the streets are also low on basic decoration

[formal bridge]

Very true, but we do have like, the strong survive

Maybe we have a side quest about the university there

Infiltrate as a student instead

Or a teacher

Just something with some memorability than just being pretty well decorated nothing and some rando caves

[signal bough]

curse the limitations of wynncraft. The streets would be perfect for barricades, but there cannot be any change of the lines of battle

[winged narwhal]

Some Les Mis type gameplay would be fun

Ultimately any Aelumina quest would need to either figure out what happens after the Queen is dead or somehow justify the player taking a break from rescuing Zeph and Rex to go get twenty bear asses or fix a spa or whatever

[signal bough]

oh the gather quest would be funny

Rurie: 'I'll give whoever brings back 20 Gendarme dogtags a LOT of emeralds'

player: pupils dilate

[dim plover]

They should add phantoms to the Mistwoods

[ashen smelt]

whens lari returning

[uneven basin]

Kinda mad at the fact that the entrance sector has plenty decoration but the civilian sector at the core is completely bare

[frozen turtle]

Aelumina quest idea:
player visits the group who wipes memories and at first tries to recover their memories but after re-visiting some memories and seeing Lari, the player asks them to wipe their mind of Lari. After this is completed for all classes, any quest, SD or mention of Lari is just removed.

Those SD's with Lari? still work but there is no npc or dialogue

Mentions of Light's Scion? replaced with "A scion"

Realm of Light Quests? Lari is removed and the player solos it. The memories of Dullahan only have him there and no one else

[ashen smelt]

😭

i dont understand the lari hate f

[hybrid gazelle]

it just easy to place the blame on Lari because she is more noticable issue of ROL

even entire of ROL is very flawed if not more flawed than Lari

it just what it is

good thing CT seems to understand what wrong with ROL so far

[ashen smelt]

idk i like the character

dialogue can be rewritten but the idea is good

[hybrid gazelle]

Conceptualyl Lari is fine

literally just average flawed character

who get arcl ater on

[ashen smelt]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

it just thew ay quest is written to showcase her character

it just how it is

[ashen smelt]

it makes sense

what is light it questions

[hybrid gazelle]

there also another reaosn what could push people into more open with disliking her

but

people are not ready for it

[ashen smelt]

idk man the long cutscenes is a problem with the quest only

pwning bak al in rol 5 was lowk a good payoff

[hybrid gazelle]

sure

I guess

[ashen smelt]

insane

[formal bridge]

it's a case of execution failing to live up to the concept

Esp with wynn presentation being pretty poor pre fruma as well

I can't wait for the eventual RoL rewrite for a proper Lari v Bak'al cutscene

[frozen turtle]

Yeah, entire RoL is flawed, Lari is probably just the most noticeable issue. I think characters being flawed is probably one of the first things you'll notice, and then after the things like gameplay, worldbuilding and such become more obvious afterwards.

[formal bridge]

RoL is entirely hinged on Lari as a character

I like Lari

[frozen turtle]

Lari is also how we interact with the quest

[formal bridge]

but her consistent failure to help makes it a lot worse

[ashen smelt]

lari is a good character

[frozen turtle]

Lari as a concept/slight headcannon is good

Not executed good

[formal bridge]

imagine if every mission with the leaves in Fruma ended in abject failure

[ashen smelt]

just get the fruma writers on that

ez fix

[formal bridge]

I mean it's the same writers, just years later lmao

Maybe the team has changed a bit but really it's just

experience lmao

[frozen turtle]

Experience mainly

[ashen smelt]

i need lari to shine

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL turn out the way it is due to various of circumstance

that include Overwork

[frozen turtle]

I'd say that Lari was probably a stepping stone to the better writing later on

[hybrid gazelle]

crunch time

[frozen turtle]

plus being apart of Gavel which is difficult

[hybrid gazelle]

and whatever that one guy got cooking

I will not rather name but like

I dont really agree on his view

[frozen turtle]

Fruma had the luxury of being very contained which allowed them to focus on quality more

[hybrid gazelle]

I think writing story with the idea of religion in the backgorund kinda demand the story

to actually show of that religion

but like oh well

[frozen turtle]

yeahh

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL rewrite will fix that probably

the Light religion is heavily underexplore and by product of that result in lie

okay so the elves worship the light

okay then wtf is it about

does it relate to Lari's pacifism?

is it reason for it?

we dont know

[formal bridge]

the elves and lari worshipping the light is literally the backbone of the quest with Lari's pacifism so front and center of it

in Fruma, the rebellion is the focus so we see literally every aspect of rebellion throughout the region

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL have so much potential for the theme of religionous indoctrination and its effect

[ashen smelt]

idk bout this

[formal bridge]

but we know so little about why the elves are connected to the light and why it matters to them

[hybrid gazelle]

but during that time wynncraft dont have balls to talk about it

[frozen turtle]

The main reason people dislike her is because of her actions which from her religious"/moral views
But we don't understand/get to see how they developed or what that actually is
Why did Orphion's teaching make them pacifists when he clearly doesnt agree with it or show it at all

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari already imply have her pacifism rooted from Orphion

and how Orphion pretty much uncaring god

there so much idea to explore

[frozen turtle]

I dont think a single other elf has ever even showcased being a Pacifist

they might be but i cant

[hybrid gazelle]

esPICALLY when we want Orphion to be more of a villain

or at least

antagonist

Orphion recently protray as more uncaring god who present himself as benevloent

[formal bridge]

If the words of fruma can be trusted he should definitely be more antagonistic or at least morally bad than he is right now

[hybrid gazelle]

having his religion being more fucked up would lead toward that direction

I think Two can be more trusted than a fucking tre

e I can tell you that much

[frozen turtle]

A large part of Lari's motivation is this "religion" that we never get to see

[formal bridge]

We don't even know how she got to be a scion of the light

[hybrid gazelle]

We dont even know the relationship betwene Lari and Orphion

until Two heavily imply that Orphion see Lari as a tool

[formal bridge]

like even Two, the embodiment of mystery backstories, has a bit more info on how she got recruited than Lari, the main character of a five part questline

[hybrid gazelle]

which would be fucked up and stuff

if ROL allude to that more

[frozen turtle]

RoL kinda just requires the player to make some stretches to make it make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

also

this is mid game quest

why our villain just

fucking animal

Fruma is really good because we got intresting cast of villain

that move along side us as the story progress

[ashen smelt]

ok i needa not get spoiled fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL have us just

[ashen smelt]

im gone

[hybrid gazelle]

then IDK why

IDk why you are here

[ashen smelt]

im aura farming

[full jackal]

clearly lari is a hypocrit then. Is she not thinkkng about the thousands of bacteria she crushes every step she takes?

[formal bridge]

The big climax to the questline is fighting a bunch of minions up to the gate where orphion is

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL have us just following parasite

[ashen smelt]

i completed rol 5 rn so

[hybrid gazelle]

shit steps or whatever

[ashen smelt]

i remembered

on new account

[hybrid gazelle]

there is nothing personal going between us and parasite until the raid fight

there like

nothing

[signal bough]

ROL we have funny elf girl, parasite, bak'al for some reason, and two raid introductions

[hybrid gazelle]

Parasite just wait for us in NoL and that boring

[drifting aurora]

now heres a question for you that i have put no thought into

are bacteria canon to wynncraft

[ashen smelt]

bak al lowkey aura farms

[drifting aurora]

Discuss

[signal bough]

SO BASED

[frozen turtle]

Uh obviously, how do you think Worrid got the rare disease which needs LE to fix

[full jackal]

wha…

[ashen smelt]

average moment

[hybrid gazelle]

I wish Parasite shown to be more cunning and emotionally manipulative

[signal bough]

evil spirits

[hybrid gazelle]

taking advantage of Lari's naivity

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that would make it far more engaging villain

[signal bough]

ah damn

[full jackal]

i mean if eviution is canon then yea bacterua would have to he real

[hybrid gazelle]

than like

whatever the fuck we have rn

[drifting aurora]

i guess bacteria are canon . . .

fucked up

[formal bridge]

The parasite doesn't necessarily need to be like... sapient

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500358954855960727/Fruma_Queen_Smol.gif

[formal bridge]

I think it just needs to be present

[frozen turtle]

Demonic bacteria is also an item

the bacteria within garaheth

[formal bridge]

the wurm intro has at least it showing the impact it has on the environment

[full jackal]

shit thats actuall such an easy answer

[hybrid gazelle]

Bacteria powerscaling

it can make Bob sick

Bacteria most powerful wynncaft characters?

[signal bough]

do you know how powerful moles are in wynncraft vs irl?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it can make you transphoic

[formal bridge]

but the next quests are
go get orphion to make you the specialist of little guys
here's ten million flashbacks to dulla
lari angy
go to the light realm where bad stuff is happening

[full jackal]

wait wait

[signal bough]

there's an SE cave full of moles which burrow through SOLID ROCK

[formal bridge]

The parasite isn't even involved in 60% of the questline

[frozen turtle]

dullahan flashbacks uggaawd

[full jackal]

Do y‘all think homophobia exists in wynncraft

[frozen turtle]

um yeah, Her majesty is homophobi

c

[full jackal]

and if yes then is it because of mold

[formal bridge]

someone post the screenshot of orphion saying he is very homophobic

[full jackal]

Welcome to my Home of phobia (aka aelumnia citadel)

[signal bough]

there is no link between fungus heavy areas and homophobia

[full jackal]

yea ik its a joke

[frozen turtle]

Imagine being so homophobic u literally mindwipe people from their Yuri experience

[signal bough]

told in overthinkers central

[frozen turtle]

is that a jk rowling reference

[full jackal]

yes

[frozen turtle]

therefore there is a link

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it still so funny

that grookwart

a quest inspiration by Harry Potter

has an easter egg

where you encounter a black thing hidden away in the school

like black dernic creature

IDK if this shit is intentional but it like

it gotta be

[frozen turtle]

Grookwart quest has more lore then some gavel quests

[hybrid gazelle]

it gotta be black mold reference

[frozen turtle]

it is intentional pretty sure

[full jackal]

but its intersting that other than witherhead

theres never been a plague in any of wynn

like i don‘t think decay counts cuz like its the parasite

do they have really good hygiene or smth?

[frozen turtle]

i just think all the other threats kill them

before a plague can

[signal bough]

maybe cause they burn corpses that might help

[formal bridge]

also consider the fact that like, every wynn city and town has tons of undead and spikes that make you crazy inbetween them

not much chance to exchange plagues between populations lmao

[signal bough]

is it just me or would Eih work perfectly as an NPC questgiver in the RoL as-is? the SD perfectly paves the way for him appearing next in the RoL

[drifting aurora]

eh

[formal bridge]

eh, I think Eih works better as a funny easter egg

he's too unserious of a character to be involved

[full jackal]

Wait what happened with Eih

Like he was referenced in aCroakCrypt

[formal bridge]

Eih is connected to the light realm as a messenger

[full jackal]

HOLY SHIT WHAT

[signal bough]

he is literally an angel

of Orphion

[full jackal]

Oh wait no yea i remember now

But I honestly think more quests should just start by interacting with a notice board in a major town

[formal bridge]

Most quests could do with more natural lead ins tbh. The notice board is an underrated one that they should add in more

[full jackal]

Wait how can we ride Adasaurs though

Didn’t they go extinct?

Source: RUniLibr

[subtle spruce]

they might as well just re-evoled themself with that holy grail of habitat (reading through the WEs, most of the species are thriving)

[full jackal]

I don’t think you can re-evolve a species in 250 years

[subtle spruce]

mistwood supremacy

[full jackal]

Also it says “please visit my office in the blossom wing”

This implies that it was written very recently

So like either they don’t know about the re-emergence of the Adasaurs

[signal bough]

sounds like fertile ground for an adasaur quest

[full jackal]

Burning bonds does not give lore on Adasaurs though

FUCK I HATE AUTOCORRECT

[subtle spruce]

quite weird how they just... GIVE us the 2 latest mounts like that..

[full jackal]

Yea I know right

We never even see the flying things

In cotl

They aren’t even mentioned

[signal bough]

actually there's quest requirements but the quests are unrelated

[subtle spruce]

time will tell then

[full jackal]

Maybe they’ll rework the Krolton quest idk

Death’s realm is perfect though

No need to rework that part

[hybrid gazelle]

Mount quest will make later I guess

From what I remember

More fruma Quest always nice

[formal bridge]

to be fair they were kinda busy making the entire rest of fruma lmao

the fact we got mounts in fruma like... 3 seconds before beta ended kinda shows where they were in the dev cycle lmao

Not exactly time to rewrite/add two new quests for them

[full jackal]

True, grinding for XP is actually painful

[signal bough]

it was so painful at the end of echoes of change

[full jackal]

Yea ig

[subtle spruce]

Also bunch of reptiles and insects in moldy mistwoods, suddenly there are fossil chicken roaming around

[mossy badge]

They were planned.. ?

[signal bough]

when I entered into the mistwoods and all I could do were a few caves

and even that wasnt enough to get me to the next lvl

[full jackal]

I mean though why was there no music at the end of EchoChan

[mossy badge]

Btw adasaurs are not even from mistwoods but highlands i think

[full jackal]

Like Syndra’s execution had no music

[full jackal]

What????

[mossy badge]

Its true, the library told me so

[signal bough]

does it still only have 2 books

[full jackal]

Ohhh yea

True

[mossy badge]

It has like 4, i think it got added atleast 1

[full jackal]

Okay I think I know what happened

[mossy badge]

I still remember salted saying some bs wild adasaurs are gonna be in mistwoods 🥀

[full jackal]

They used to populate the Highlands but then HER MAJESTY killed all of them in the highlands

[subtle spruce]

catching simulator... ~ 🤤

[full jackal]

And like they just didn’t give a shit about people who live in the mist woods

[mossy badge]

"A wild adasaur has appeared" ahh

[full jackal]

So they just didn’t bother to find the tiny number of Adasaurs in the mist woods

And they’re like WE SOLVED THE PROBLEM HOORAY

But only for the rich people

And because mistwoods is so isolated from the rest of Fruma

Nobody knew they weren’t actually extinct

[mossy badge]

Im pissed there are no wild adasaurs

Only Kivaraptors

[full jackal]

Yea i think they should be a very rare mob

Like they’re almost extinct

The highlanders think they’re extinct

But the mistwooders know that there are still some left

[signal bough]

it appears there is a captive population and they are being bred

[mossy badge]

Some could still escape

Btw how tf do adasaurs slay wooly rhinos 💔 , i dont believe that bs

[signal bough]

or maybe its like elephants and the tamed ones are taken as eggs or hatchlings from the wild

[full jackal]

I mean yea…

But then wouldn’t her majesty know?

I guess maybe she just doesn’t want to alarm the highlanders

Or admit that the extermination effort wasn’t actually successful

[signal bough]

it is clear there is a disconnect between what the crown knows and what the university knows

like, everything in the university is wrong

[full jackal]

Idk I didn’t actually read the books in the university cuz i didn’t find them

So I’m reading them now

[signal bough]

I'll go hunting again

if there are more

[full jackal]

Also the Hedoro is gonna use up all the oxygen

And eventually its gonna cause eutrophication

[signal bough]

oh, algae bloom

[mossy badge]

The books about the structure of the provincal guard and about hederos seems right

[full jackal]

Like it already is

[signal bough]

yeah I wouldnt distrust the provincial guard one

but I'm thinking about the sovereign portraits

notably the lack of Two

[mossy badge]

Also the fauna one is mostly right ig

Its not just about adasaurs

[full jackal]

But it’s gonna get worse

[mossy badge]

Oh no there is no trace of the spymaster!

Like obviously she aint gonna be there

[full jackal]

Like actually though

The university’s books are actually such ass

No wonder the Frumans are too much of dumbasses to revolt

You don’t just read shit like SovEReigN GikYO HAs dOnE An ExcELLEnT JoB” or “COnTact tHE AppRopRiaTE AutHORITiEs

In a book for university students

[signal bough]

what was the other one that was present on release

[full jackal]

Okay this is also kind of a nitpick

But why can you read a summary of the entire book on one random page

Shouldn’t it be like flipping to random pages and finding random lines

[signal bough]

mistwoods book

[full jackal]

And then piecing the lines together as an entire summary

Wait but why does all well exist though

Are they like practise for changelings

[frozen turtle]

we just really fast writing

and

reading

[full jackal]

Wait okay

This is just some random quest idea

With the addition of Bremmyn-Hiera

Maybe there’s a quest where you have to help a pilgrimage of Tribal Monks up the mountain

And you get some lore about the tribes of the savannah

And you have to climb the mountain with them

And at the top you see all of Wynn below you

And like there’s a tiny bit of lore about the Desert Imperium too because Bremminglar is literally right next to the desert that the monks can give

[dim plover]

The quest forces you to download either Bobby, Distant Horizons, or Voxy before starting

That's the prerequesite

It's one of the quest requirements

[full jackal]

Uhhh

I don’t think distant horizons worked on my laptop

once i get it back i guess i could try installing it again on curseforge

[full jackal]

How would they do that though?

Like isn’t one of the main appeals of wynncraft that it’s completely modless

Maybe it’s like a cutscene or smth

[split night]

he didn't get it

[full jackal]

Who?

[full jackal]

Basically Ahlmakh is the desert one

Trängshtā is Jungle

Üzigh Amēv is spoken by the Jade League and associated Societies of Theives

Qoxaiszto is the sub-family of Rymek tribes

Salczaň is the language spoken by Human inhabited Ocean islands

Mazoth Feß was spoken by extremely power mages and was a specialised version of Wynnthau merged with Old Olmic texts (Spoken by the Twains too)

Yea that’s pretty much it i did not put that much thought into this

Also the thing separating Neo-Tahkashtel and Royal Tahkashtel is a whole bunch of language reforms enacted by Queen

And Royal Tahkashtel is only the name given after Her Majesty’s arrival

[full jackal]

So honestly I imagine the story will go to wastelands after WTP

And then maybe somehow realm of fern

But probably not that soon though

Like I think before dern they’ll remake RoL and AJB/AJF

But honestly while they’re at it I’d really love more The Breaking Point type quests

Like I cant understate it

I really love The Breaking Point

It’s like the culmination of so many of your adventures

Like TBP absolutely MOGS DwaaDog, tEnv and everything else

Like there isn’t really a buildup to TNA at all

It’s actually not that relevant to lore somehow

I imagine Silent Expanse might get more content in the future but idk

[young dock]

They just kind of drop you off in TNA

[full jackal]

Like Silent Expanse has 3 storyline quests

1 good sidequest

And 1 filler

I mean I do like tOlmR

Especially the citadel design

But like all that for a Rune Altar???

I never use Rune Altars

Literally how do you even run out of runes?

I have like 90something Uths

And 60something told

Ughhh whatever anyways

I think that Rodoroc is really in need of a rebuilt

Time valley deserves way more content

Jungle needs a complete rework probably

Corrupted village also needs a rebuild

[young dock]

Anything to be able to transform my tol runes into az tunes

[full jackal]

There’s still that one prison thing from Hallowynn 2014 they haven’t removed

[full jackal]

Why would you need more as runes

You get like 50 of them just by playing the game

[young dock]

NOTG runs

I ran out of az runes

[full jackal]

HOW MANY NOTG RUNS DID YOU DO?

[young dock]

Can’t a fella run raids in peace

[full jackal]

I think I’ve done NoTG like 20 times max

NoL like 5 times

TNA once or twice I think

[young dock]

I like using notg as a test run for builds and play styles so I can gradually upgrade to the other raids

[full jackal]

TCC about thrice

WTP once

I’d do more but honestly my comfort activity in wynn is doing CoTL lootruns

Also Gavel soundtrack update

But that all takes so much time

And if I were doing it I’d have given up at 1.3

So honestly ct is doing really good

[split night]

69 nice

[full jackal]

BRUH

[split night]

my run counts is pretty low considering my time played

[full jackal]

Y’all

Some people have played NotG

13k times

How the fuck do you play a raid 13k times

[split night]

play the game for long enough i guess

i've only play for like 2-3 month total
some of the people here played for 8-9 years

[young dock]

Some folks just like to speed run and optimize things

[full jackal]

Wait how many hours have you played

I’ve done 258

[young dock]

I wanna get to atleast 100+ runs on all raids

[young dock]

Uhhh like 1.7k?

[young dock]

A lot of on and off time from the last 13 years

[split night]

22k hours is 2 years in game play time no break 💀

that's how insane some poeple here are xd

[young dock]

I had a buddy play rust and genuinely work it like a 9-5 on extreme crutch time

So I can see that being applied here with all the graids, raids, and wars

Especially if you’re a warring member

[split night]

you're new so it make sense

[full jackal]

What

[full jackal]

Mf I’ve been playing since 2022

[split night]

I don't even run Dungeons more than once after i finished it i fucking hate doing undgeon

[full jackal]

Granted I was a stupid 9 year old when i started playing

[split night]

continuous or just fist join and leave??

I joined when i was much younger and never play more than just woaw cool and leave so i don't count that

[full jackal]

I was a stupid 9 year old who couldn’t even get past Lv.39

I did 2 llevigar quests and read the wiki while on vacation

I played a lot

But i was shit at it

[split night]

yeah then it's first join and leave, otherwise if you say you have been there for 4 years and not doing that much raid is kind of weird xd

[full jackal]

No like I played it for hours

And i couldn’t get past lvl.39 because I was terrible at it

And also I kept making new characters

Because I was never happy with my old one and I deleted it

For some stupid reason

[split night]

I really don't count save that never make it past Lv50
since the real game start when you've reached endgame and complete all the quests so

[young dock]

I should’ve told my 2013 self to enchant all items no matter what and not be stingy with my old powders

[split night]

it's more or less act as a sort of filtering

[full jackal]

Enchant items?

[young dock]

Old powder system

Knock back, fire aspect, and thorns

[split night]

i'm glad that there are much less kids in this community because of how boring the early game and text heavy this game is xd

[full jackal]

I mean i think like 1 year ago i made it to Lv.98

But then Siegfried died womp womp

And I felt kinda bad about it so i abandoned my character

Then one day I crashed out for some reason and deleted Minecraft

And then I reinstalled it like 8 months later and suddenly I’m good at the game

[split night]

good at the game what, it's just doing quests

you mean became more patience?

[full jackal]

Yea well I’m trash garbage

Yea exactly

I had zero patience whatsoever

Because again, stupid 9 year old dumbass brain

kinda ironic because my 17 year old self will be saying this about me now too

[young dock]

Them triple xp weekends came in clutch for me

Upgrade all my characters to max

[full jackal]

But at least I’m self aware about it and that’s an improvement somehow don’t ask how

[clear scaffold]

i love how the hours played is still so inaccurate because it only goes off existing characters

[full jackal]

Wait really?

[split night]

yea

[full jackal]

In that case I’m probably closer to like 400 hours

But honestly it took me an entire month to finish Fruma

Kinda embarrassing to admit

But like still though

[split night]

it took me 21 hours of continous playing with not break to finish Fruma in a day xd

[clear scaffold]

according to stats, i have 693 hours.

[full jackal]

I was in a hotel in ShenZhen when frump came out

It was so laggy on

[clear scaffold]

i have played for 9 years so it's probably more in the thousands

[young dock]

Fruma dropping a month before finals made me actually take my time, I think it was an amazing journey being able to slow down instead of blitzing everything

[clear scaffold]

and i've just deleted so many characters

[young dock]

Especially when I got to the missing piece

[full jackal]

Missing piece is honestly

Objectively

Best quest in game

It’s true

[clear scaffold]

Fruma honestly feel like the only storyline where i couldn't really say there's a bad quest.

[slender copper]

As someone who did within the first couple of hours tried to play archer (and prompty not getting how to play and leaving), yeah it's best to play within your late teens lol.

[full jackal]

Like apotheosis was great too

[clear scaffold]

like every quest was awesome.

[slender copper]

^

[clear scaffold]

Boss fights were great althought you can defintely tell some archetpes get murdered in certain boss fights.

[weary sigil]

I think if you mobgrind at any point in fruma you’re doing it wrong

[full jackal]

Like yea but like if Apostheosis is your nice elderly grandma missing piece is Jesus

[young dock]

Probs the most silent my room has been post anything, even exams and other things

[clear scaffold]

i will be blunt this is objectively false

[young dock]

You gotta grind in Fruma for like maybe a level or two

[split night]

we're just more patience when we're all grown up

[full jackal]

I usually have to grind the last 10%

[clear scaffold]

i think i had to grind three levels because there was like four world events i physically could not do

[split night]

this is just false

[weary sigil]

Nah I haven’t touched mobgrinding since I originally got to 105

[young dock]

I grinded from 117 to 119 then spammed quest

[clear scaffold]

i did every bit of other content, quests, secret discoveries caves.

still didn't have enough exp.

[weary sigil]

You just have to do content other than the quests

[clear scaffold]

a lot of people did

[full jackal]

I DID DO ALL SECRETS

Not enough lmao

It got me 90% of the way there