📚lore_discussion

[split night]

Though I prefer more valid reason

[full jackal]

are we deadass

[split night]

other than "annoying"

[earnest prairie]

no this is slander

we do a lil trolling on the girl

[snow kiln]

I mean lari is frustrating

[full jackal]

i don’t actually have any reaosns to not like her other than she’s kinda annoying honestly

[snow kiln]

But I think she ends up being a balanced character by the end of rol

[earnest prairie]

i actually love lari tho despite her stupidity. its the thought that counts from her 👍

[sick quest]

Oh also RoL part 4 she was kinda rough (but understandably so)

[full jackal]

like i just think she talks too much thats it she’s actually a pretty good character

[split night]

yeah RoL1 Lari and RoL5 Lari are different

[sick quest]

I just think she juxtaposes Orphion in such a cool way

[split night]

Lari had her glow up in the end

[sick quest]

I do wish that Lari kinda realized how absolutely shitty Orphion was

Rather than taking out on us

[earnest prairie]

shes definitely a girl who talks faster when her terrible lie to cover up eating the food in the fridge doesnt work

[split night]

She never had a moment to realize her god was an ass in the story so

[sick quest]

yEaH

[full jackal]

honestly i do think we’ll see her in fruma

or dern

[sick quest]

I really wish we couldve sided w the mayor over Urelix/Orphion

[split night]

she's trapped in Dern doomslayering

[sick quest]

Def in dern

[sick quest]

God I hope so

[full jackal]

and i think that’s when she’ll realize she’s fighting for another side of the same coin

[sick quest]

And I hope we can puntkick Orphion back to the shadow realm

[tepid blade]

To be fair, I don't think old Orphion was supposed to seen as a giant asshole, so I like Frumas interpretation much better

[earnest prairie]

nah show her wynn and then she might understand what death is a mercy really means

[full jackal]

and i hope wynn ends with both orph and saph dying or at least being banished away

[tepid blade]

I like evil Orphion, another side of the same coin as Saphanis

[split night]

well definitely

[earnest prairie]

she should definitely meet sui tho. i feel like she’d be a good mentor for sui

[split night]

It's all just for survival really, is a tiger evil for eating a deer?
I think their morally work like that

thought Orphion DID NOT need to cause such unnecessary harm to Lari

😭

[tepid blade]

It will definitely end something like this (But I would love the final boss to be a ascended Bak'al final boss)

[cunning quail]

We might get an elden ring like ending where we side with a deity

[full jackal]

i think orphion should’ve talked things out with lari

Could’ve saved a lot of time and misunderstandings

[earnest prairie]

i dont think orphion knows what mediation is ngl

[split night]

"what 800 more years? I can always have another scion!"

[full jackal]

ascended bak’al would be cool

[sick quest]

Bak'al should not be final boss tho

Honestly I think Orphion himself would be the best endgame boss

[full jackal]

but i’d imagine him being like the final boss of like the midway point

[sick quest]

After Saphanis even

[full jackal]

cuz to bums like orph lives mean nothing

[earnest prairie]

if they wanna get REALLY bold with it

[split night]

He's still in fraud list rn, we can't have him as final boss until we see his power yet

[earnest prairie]

they make us fight saph and orph at the same time

[full jackal]

saph and orph would never work together though

[sick quest]

Dude that would be so fun in a raid

[split night]

Trashie come up with a raid idea as a final thing where we have Orphion and Saphanis beating the shit out of eah other and we just kinda help both side in the process

[sick quest]

Ehhh i wouldnt be surprised if they worked together against us

[full jackal]

i guess to continue fighting with each other theyd work together??

[earnest prairie]

yeah let me rephrase that. we tryna stop them from fighting so they fight each other and we have to dodge their colliding attacks and stuff

[full jackal]

aww thats kinda sweet actually

[sick quest]

Its the kinda two gods who hate each other endlessly and want to kill each other get more mad at humans trying to interfere

[earnest prairie]

yeah literally

[tepid blade]

The main reason I think Bak'al would be more compelling final villain is because he has morality unlike the realm beasts, who are evil by nature, but Bak'al just hates things, not because that is his nature, but because he chooses to hate, unlike our player who chooses to love things and the world

[cunning quail]

Bak'al is the biggest fraud, in Hunter's calling he use us to do all the work

[sick quest]

Frrrrr

[full jackal]

so beat both of them up while they attack us and the other guy at the same time?

cool actually

[earnest prairie]

kinda yeah

[sick quest]

1v1v1

[slim belfry]

I think fruma shows what Bak'al's "role" is based on prior context

[tepid blade]

Bak'al has the free will to hate and be evil, the realm beasts don't

[slim belfry]

he's not a soldier he's more like a commanding tactician
telling troops what to do, making the resonance weaver, doing lots of research

[earnest prairie]

yeah that

[earnest prairie]

the Y-brothers on their way to make a second roots of corruption by accident

[slim belfry]

wastelands

[sick quest]

I still think we gotta go back to the moon

[full jackal]

I hope we learn more about the olm in dern tho

[sick quest]

Every cool eldritch horror story gets better when you go to space

Especially since there r multiple confirmed alien species

[earnest prairie]

i dont think were ready for cosmic horror yet

[full jackal]

isn’t the moon the orange wybel arena

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al using full power of Anathema's blessing to obliterate a defenseless farmer

[sick quest]

Nah thats under an island

Not quite in void but hovering over void

[earnest prairie]

its not about the power its about the message

[sick quest]

We get to the moon via the wizard tower in sky islands

[split night]

literally

[sick quest]

The sky islands lootrun has several moon fights

And this rly cool dark monster from the stars fight

[earnest prairie]

ive never done sky island’s loot run

[full jackal]

ultrakill 8-3 disintegration loop

[tepid blade]

That would be Bak'al's reasoning for doing that LOL

[earnest prairie]

i refuse to do it bc my walk and sprint speed is too fast

[sick quest]

Dude sky islands lootrun is one of the most fun

That one and molten heights are my favs

Tho corkus is also goated

[earnest prairie]

i have more fun in canyon of the lost somehow

[full jackal]

cotl is the only one i ever do

[split night]

"Hey uhhh Peon, get me a cup of coffee"
"Hey peon, kill this guy"
"PEON HELP ME"

[slim belfry]

molten heights lootrun is my comfort camp but even then I barely lootrun

[earnest prairie]

my favorite is silent expanse and fruma’s lootruns (except that mage manor that place is a walking death trap)

[full jackal]

when are they ever gonna add the soundtrack for mooten heights to the channel its actually soooo good

[sick quest]

Dude the fruma lootruns have me screaming for help two secs in

[slim belfry]

idk I wanna know how the shaman is doing there

[full jackal]

someone who can actually do fruma lootruns??

[earnest prairie]

we need to see a thanos vs avengers 3v1 fight to see is bak al is a fraud or not

[full jackal]

bakal had his ass beat by bob

[earnest prairie]

yes. sort of. only when i do stratiformis and i avoid defend fort hegea beacon

[full jackal]

we defeated bob

therefore we can defeat bakal

[tepid blade]

Okay, realistically I would not be surprised if Bak'al would beat us in a fight like this

[frozen turtle]

bob's reincarnation

[earnest prairie]

yeah but were awesome and cool

[sick quest]

Bobs reincarnation fight has to be redone

[split night]

Let bak'al escape us as the third time he fight and him be forever petrified as a fraud

[tepid blade]

We haven't actually defeat the real bob

[full jackal]

though honestky u suspect rhat wasnt actually his full power

[frozen turtle]

we defeated like, a diluted version of bob

[split night]

Not bob
a projection

it's not even his full power

[full jackal]

still though we defeated ansthema

[split night]

like he beat an annie solo

what do you think that make him

[earnest prairie]

if thor, cap, and stark are lari, tasim, and maybe sui then we are captain marvel

[full jackal]

amd bakal got his power from anathema

therefore we can beat bakal

[tepid blade]

A weakened Anathema

[slim belfry]

true we did kill asthma

[earnest prairie]

miasma

[full jackal]

Asthma T_T

[frozen turtle]

Wasnt anathema weakened by us though

[earnest prairie]

technically “reset”

[full jackal]

yea

[tepid blade]

Well, Bak'al knows true magic, and who knows what powers he could have found while serving Saphanis

[sick quest]

Nah asthma killed me

Anathema died, War survived

[full jackal]

but stilk bakal is not as strong as anathema even in a weakened form

[sick quest]

Anathema being the vessel/soul/consciousness that came out of War

[frozen turtle]

i mean we also did get help by

Tasim, Sui, and Zeph I think

[sick quest]

Ye

[frozen turtle]

which we are stronger (confirmed) by at least 2 of them, Sui we've never fought

[full jackal]

then larry can help us in bakal fight

[sick quest]

Best girl, the goat, and the fraud

[earnest prairie]

anathema kinds implies the only way to stop the scaling war between orph and saph is to kill them which imo “resets them” as concepts so they stop fighting for a lil before exploring again, finding each other, fighting, then sm1 gotta slime all three of them again

[frozen turtle]

i thinkwe just gotta close those portals

well light & dark

[sick quest]

Isnt it more of a permanent binding thing?

[frozen turtle]

and id assume war would close on its own if they do

[sick quest]

That we need to do

[full jackal]

hollow knight them

using larry and bakal as seals

[tepid blade]

No, that would only be kicking the can down the road, the realm beasts and/or their realms have to die

[sick quest]

No mind to think, no will to break, no voice to cry suffering

[snow kiln]

Did someone say close dark world portal

Toby fox copied deltarune from wynn

Confirmed

[frozen turtle]

i dont think we can kill realms

[earnest prairie]

weirdo squad is gonna flip out when they hear this

[tepid blade]

Well, we also don't know what is inside of us 🙂

[sick quest]

We can permanently lock them away

[full jackal]

how could toby plagiarise like this smh

[split night]

i mean if we kill the Beast, new one just gonna pop up because they are sparks
we have to lock them away

[snow kiln]

Ikr bros a cheat

[full jackal]

again, hollow knight them

[snow kiln]

Nah I think we'll do something else

[earnest prairie]

“i trapped the ender dragon in a cage in the end”

[snow kiln]

If we just lock em up we'll be kicking can down the road

Like the ancients sealed the realms away once already

[sick quest]

Then we need a better lock

[earnest prairie]

more like just melt the key

[snow kiln]

You need a watch some lockpick lawyer

There ain't a lock that can't get picked

[full jackal]

Then permanently pacify them

[earnest prairie]

they had a good lock. they just kept they key for some reason

[snow kiln]

Yes that's why true ending is yaoi ending

[full jackal]

what

[snow kiln]

You can ask lexnt she told me this

[earnest prairie]

zeph getting dub after dub

[frozen turtle]

put the colussus into their realms and break them into the void

[snow kiln]

Its confirmed

[full jackal]

arent they like siblings tho

[sick quest]

Do we know what animal saphanis is

[snow kiln]

Final scene is make out with saph and orph

[snow kiln]

Not really

[earnest prairie]

assumingly cat-like

[full jackal]

sure then why not

[frozen turtle]

they're manifestions of light and dark, not realted at all

[snow kiln]

Lickitung

[split night]

Matter and Anti Matter
they are a pair, not sibling

they annihilate

[frozen turtle]

they're like opposites of eachother literally

[split night]

you literally cannot use relation to gods, it won't make sense

[snow kiln]

And opposites attract ooh kawaii deska :3

[slim belfry]

they're
light and dark
left and right
...
male and female?

[full jackal]

yea i know but like two calls them siblings or smth ig its more like metaphorically

[frozen turtle]

they use the word 'twins' sometimes but they're literally the opposite of htat

[frozen turtle]

yesss

[tepid blade]

I have always imagined them as bug-like, like a giant centipide, but I have also seen some one draw them as a bird which is cool

[frozen turtle]

NO

Yaoi only

[snow kiln]

They're just energy

They're its

[sick quest]

I think @split night is the birb drawer (goated)

[slim belfry]

true yaoi or yuri

[split night]

nah Wynn need woke and we already have Anathema
they them Spanis for the win

[earnest prairie]

theyre like palkia and diagla honestly

meanwhile anathema is giratina

[full jackal]

or maybe trap them in ultrakill 83 disintegration loop

[snow kiln]

Player arceus

[snow kiln]

That's what in saying chuds

Player is god

[rain saffron]

I don’t think so but I’ve seen a lot of people draw em as a cat

[snow kiln]

Universe is our egg

[earnest prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kirby-no-terminal-montage-slap-kirby-slap-gif-25036841

literally us

[snow kiln]

Shudup kirby

Btw what do you think saph and orphs egg groups are

[frozen turtle]

i dont think they would make saphanis a cat

cuz thats just lazy

[snow kiln]

And you think I can get a shiny saph?

[earnest prairie]

i think a cat is fine

just make it….

uhh eldritch

[tepid blade]

Was thinking of this by @hybrid gazelle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296377212939010050/1494760085455503492/image.png?ex=6a0219cf&is=6a00c84f&hm=32f0560000a95609ac8f7e4d4a2080ddf3046d665252e414dac6365aa00bac36&

[snow kiln]

Eagle, because black, because oil, because freedom

[frozen turtle]

like "orphgion is dog so lets make saphanis.. cat"

[tepid blade]

But Auree's is also pretty cool

[sick quest]

Ohhh W trashie

[snow kiln]

That's just the dude from calamity mod

[frozen turtle]

a bird or ocean-y animal would be cooler

[split night]

I personally like this Saphanis
My Swap Saphanis is designed to look like Orphion so it doesn't make sense to use my design xd

[slim belfry]

oh signus

[earnest prairie]

that one boss only found in brimstone biome

[rain saffron]

Oh I love this design it’s so peak

[sick quest]

I honestly see Saphanis as a bat

[snow kiln]

Yea signis

[sick quest]

Or an owl

[snow kiln]

Signus

[cedar kernel]

Did you know that in the wynncraft files the word tambourine is misspelled

[sick quest]

Owl is probs best

[earnest prairie]

i asume cat bc that one discovery with the claw

[cedar kernel]

Its so funny to me

[frozen turtle]

I'd also be fine if Saphanis was like, deep-ocean themed cuz that gives the same vibes as darkness yk

[earnest prairie]

i cant think of many animals with claws

[frozen turtle]

eldritch

[rain saffron]

I assume cat as well because car

[sick quest]

Octopus?

Squid?

[earnest prairie]

yknow what. lets just make them absol

[snow kiln]

Saph is just a big pussy confirmed

[cedar kernel]

Instead of tambourine.ogg it’s tamborine.ogg

[frozen turtle]

im actually gonna be disappointed if they make saphanis a cat

[cedar kernel]

Saphanis is an eldritch monster

[tepid blade]

My personal idea of what Dern will be like has its naming scheme based on the different levels of the ocean

[earnest prairie]

im sure a cat can be interesting. i mean look at ganondorf in BOTW. that beast looked amazing

[snow kiln]

That feels very sky islands coded thi

[split night]

I think they would probably take Trashie design into account at least
since some of his works are in the game so

also that would be insanely disappointing

[sick quest]

Wait deadass?

Thats so cool

[slim belfry]

do note that TNA is dern and the eye is water element

[tepid blade]

What works of his?

[split night]

idk ask trashie

[snow kiln]

I wonder is CT knows what saph will look like yet anyways

[frozen turtle]

like, orphion being a fox with antlers is already kinda disappointing, if they go "lets do the same thing again"

[snow kiln]

I doubt it

[sick quest]

TNA seems more connected to a void creature than Dern

[split night]

every realm beast is weak to water wdym

[slim belfry]

TNA is literally a part of dern

[split night]

TNA is void, not dern

what

[unique pumice]

We just say anything now

[split night]

TNA's void is just closer to dern

[sick quest]

TNA in the raid is talked about as being an old dark creature from the rifts between worlds

Not from Dern

[split night]

where did you even get that gard

xd

[frozen turtle]

first quote from Wiki:
"The Nameless, or That Which Bears No Name, is a dark aberration native to the Realm of Dern"

[slim belfry]

let me grab the CT messages

[earnest prairie]

if u guys still arent sure ig just look at void in sky islands

[slim belfry]

THAT TOO

[earnest prairie]

and compare and contrast terrain

[slim belfry]

IT'S RIGHT THERE

[tepid blade]

That makes a lot of sense actually, as it was established that corruption is repelled by water, so it would make sense that the other realms are too

[split night]

the fuck

[sick quest]

Wait wha

Doesnt the raid dialogue say that its native to the void

[split night]

Orphion and the Parasite is weak to water

[slim belfry]

y'all DERN IS FLOATING IN THE VOID

[earnest prairie]

which wiki bc theres two

[frozen turtle]

the good wiki

wiki.gg

[snow kiln]

Everything is floating in the voud

[slim belfry]

it's both void and dern in a sense

[split night]

every realm is

[snow kiln]

The void is just the absence of something

[frozen turtle]

yeah but

[sick quest]

Realms of Influence are all in the void

[slim belfry]

so why would it not be dern

[sick quest]

The void is everything but also distinct from everything

[frozen turtle]

SE portal is literally around the void

[unique pumice]

different void i think

[split night]

guys

[slim belfry]

same void

[snow kiln]

That void was made by greg

[sick quest]

All one void

What

[split night]

just imagine SE as in above the void like Sky Islands

[sick quest]

My head hurts

Im confused

[split night]

while RoD location is similar to RoL

there

[cedar kernel]

Imagine if you could use teleport under y = 0 and as such could just travel through void between sky islands and dern portal

[unique pumice]

the void outside of realms is the same as the void in the physical plane?

[slim belfry]

^

[earnest prairie]

Salted ran out of blocks

[snow kiln]

Hopefully we get a rol skybox 🙏

[sick quest]

Lowkey that would make sense

[sick quest]

Yeah

[spring kernel]

No because it isn't

[slim belfry]

there is no physical plane void that's the same nothingness void

[sick quest]

The void should have more fast travel access

[spring kernel]

There are no void creatures because the void is fundamentally nothing

[tepid blade]

I have always imagined the void to be the gap between reality, with the physical plane and all the realm of influence kind of floating in the void, but being not within the actual void if that makes sense

[frozen turtle]

Void is void

[snow kiln]

Except gas

Thick

Gas

[cedar kernel]

What are the pockets of toxic gas in void yeah

[earnest prairie]

imagine the void like this. there is not end but the stuff in the void falls slower the more it falls

[slim belfry]

yeah pretty sure that's how it is anyway

[snow kiln]

Just gas

[frozen turtle]

Anything in the void was from reality falling int it pretty sure

[snow kiln]

Probably petroleum waiting for freedom

[earnest prairie]

so thats why stuff in the void can still be found. its just going slower and slower

[snow kiln]

I dunno why people can't understand void

[cedar kernel]

And then deteriorating

[snow kiln]

When shit like discworld exists

[tepid blade]

I meant not being in the true void

[snow kiln]

This is babies game in comparison

[split night]

Is it like, true nothingness?
like there is no quantum mechanic underlying it?
It would make sense literal nothingness would warp thing

[earnest prairie]

its a universal thing ppl have a hard time understanding honestly bc its a paradoxical concept in any media

the thing is supposed to not exist and yet it exists

[snow kiln]

No it's not that hard

Its just spaxe

[spring kernel]

It is literal nothingness

[snow kiln]

There's nothing yhrte

But gas

[sick quest]

Dont we see living creatures (outside of the villagers) in the void we visit

[snow kiln]

The realms are like little planets in space

Sorta

Not really tho

[split night]

How are we-
How are we traversing in it, there is no space, no time, no nothing here xd

[spring kernel]

That's a consequence of a part of ahms region entering the void

[split night]

guess that's why those people got transformed

[tepid blade]

But they aren't native

[snow kiln]

Its because all of those things are relative

[spring kernel]

Colossus

Rift in reality

[snow kiln]

The realms are a compass that allows those things to exist

Its literally just space irl

[spring kernel]

Our realm leaks into the void

[snow kiln]

Floating in space you'd have no concept of time, speed or direction

The realms are just reference points

[regal spire]

Why isn’t space considered in the void

[earnest prairie]

WynnWorld is flat

[cedar kernel]

Man I love discworld

[regal spire]

wtf the difference between outer space and the void

[cedar kernel]

How many discworld references are there in wynncraft

[snow kiln]

Because the void actually lies in 4D space

[cedar kernel]

Besides death

Being death

[tepid blade]

Because the void is the inbetween reality, space is still within the physical plane

[snow kiln]

Its a connection between 3D spaces

[cedar kernel]

And speaking in DEATH TEXT

[split night]

No like
space irl in the most quantum and fundamental have the bubbling thing where something jsut exist out of nowhere, annihilate and become nothing again

this is different
it's literally nothingness, literally no space

[slim belfry]

outer space is a part of the physical world
void isn't

[snow kiln]

Its the space between 4 physical dimension spaces

[split night]

and i like that

[snow kiln]

No it's not

Outer space is material still

The whole universe is material

[slim belfry]

that's

what I just said

[snow kiln]

Void exists in a higher reality

A space between the realms

[split night]

that's kinda what he just said

yeah

[cedar kernel]

If the void is empty

[split night]

xd

[cedar kernel]

Then why hasn’t it sucked all the air out of the physical plane

???????

[regal spire]

But space isn’t anything. It’s quite literally just the space the world and such bodies inhabit. This implies—to me—that the void is, like, a wormhole almost

[snow kiln]

Oh sorry the grammar

[split night]

There is no space

normal physic doesn't work in here

[snow kiln]

There is space lnfao

We have a planetarium

[split night]

oh then it isn't true nothingness

[snow kiln]

And asteroids

No it's not

There's astronomy

[split night]

I'm tlaking about the void dumbass

[slim belfry]

well yeah the portals and void holes

[cedar kernel]

Also: unexplained aah floating island on maltic coast

[split night]

xd

[cedar kernel]

We need an explanation for it

What is it doing there

Why

[tepid blade]

But space is something, the void is nothing, space is within reality, but the void is not, it what seperates our world from the other realms

[cedar kernel]

Please someone tell me you know what I’m talking about

Fucking random aaah floating island on Wynn

[snow kiln]

God this Sophocles bs is making me shit myself

[regal spire]

Space can’t be anything, though. Its definition implies nothing, because it’s “space”; empty space.

[snow kiln]

Yeah we know, there's also forgery as well

[snow kiln]

Space is filled with shit

[slim belfry]

lighthouse keeper says it might be from the sky islands

[tepid blade]

But space isn't empty? it has gas and particles

[spring kernel]

Space is still space. Void is not. Void is nothingness

[cedar kernel]

What lighthouse keeper

[regal spire]

Yeah, but that’s not space. That’s stuff in space

[slim belfry]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Lighthouse_Keeper

[snow kiln]

Void also has gas

[cedar kernel]

Is this a secret discovery I don’t know of

[split night]

No like-
Space is literally something, in the most fundamental level there are thing in it
quantum physic thing im not qualified to explain

[regal spire]

Space is basically the realm of influence itself

[earnest prairie]

even space has particles in it

[regal spire]

But, they’re considered separate in lore

[snow kiln]

Yea pair re/deconstruction

[split night]

Yeah then Void is literally different kind of physic, i love this

[snow kiln]

Space always has enegy

Therefore has mass

[split night]

i know

[snow kiln]

Therefore is something

[cedar kernel]

Omg that’s so funny

[split night]

I'm talkin void

[cedar kernel]

How tf did the chunk even make its way there

[earnest prairie]

aura

[slim belfry]

maybe the ahms colossus slammed the ground and that's one of the rocks flying away

[cedar kernel]

Mmmm aurafarming sky island chunk

[digital swan]

light house keeper floating island? near the beach?

[tepid blade]

The realms of influence aren't just other planets, they are other realities, similar to the physical one but smaller, and they leak into our reality

[regal spire]

I’m interested in understanding why the colossus can just tear holes into the space time continuum

[earnest prairie]

its goals are beyond our understanding

[digital swan]

it has a chest on it btw

[split night]

there are a lot of random thing you can encounter walking around wynncraft xd

[cedar kernel]

Considering that there is floating islands off the mountain coast of gavel…

[regal spire]

Technically, they’re on map

[slim belfry]

I just visited those yesterday probably the same

[slim belfry]

I'm dragging you into dern

[regal spire]

Not on map; gl finding it, chump

[earnest prairie]

speaking of dern i hope the RoL gets an expansion bc it’d be unfair if dern got to take a whole lower rectangle

[regal spire]

Also, the other realms aren’t so much realties as they are living bodies. They’re basically cognitive planes of existence, and it’s weird to think about. Not at all like the plane of influence, space, or the void

[cedar kernel]

What places in wynncraft feature floating land/islands?

Ofc sky islands, and that one little island off of maltic

But where else?

Forgery duh

[regal spire]

Some coastal areas, I believe

Mage islands

[snow kiln]

The realms aren't on the map

[cedar kernel]

Ofc the dern portal area

[snow kiln]

So they don't have a size restraint

Also can I just say the rectangular map pisses me off

[regal spire]

You’re gonna feel sooooo silly when I show you the Wynncraft map

[snow kiln]

Roughworks goes so far off the edge

Its not rectangular anymore

[slim belfry]

I wonder if what causes floating islands is destabilized magic or something

[regal spire]

Rectangle map was lame anyways

[earnest prairie]

earth is a cube

[cedar kernel]

You go significantly out of it in some caves

[earnest prairie]

not a square!

[snow kiln]

Yes it seriously limited the builders I think

[regal spire]

Did you know? That floating island off Maltic is both a joke about how the flowing water looked like a pillar it was holding itself up on, and was used as a landmark to find that Underwater ship dude

[regal spire]

I hate the rectangle map philosophy, because it means we can’t have curved borders

I want the feel like I’m in a bowl

Not a box 👹

[slim belfry]

funny

[snow kiln]

Yeah and it makes the borders look especially weird everywhere

[cedar kernel]

Ancient aah magic

[earnest prairie]

ever seen pyramid-like bowls? those are criminal

[regal spire]

Hideous

[cedar kernel]

Doguns are involved with colossus somehow

[snow kiln]

Better question is how the Colossus make a square

[regal spire]

The coast is so fun to explore, but I hate how flat it is. No variation in traversing it, because it’s basically a straight line

[snow kiln]

I ain't ever seen a square shaped impact crater

[slim belfry]

doguns are supposedly from the colossi and garaheth

[cedar kernel]

Wym

What square

Where

Oh the ahms

[snow kiln]

Like the map

[regal spire]

I kinda hope they end up removing a lot of the mountain borders and replacing them with seascapes/barriers

[snow kiln]

Yeah

[regal spire]

I also hope we get actual continents one day

[snow kiln]

Yes, esp with wyverns

The mountains look bad

Ruin exploration

And don't make sense

[cedar kernel]

Just retcon the whole “gavel gate” thing

[snow kiln]

Mhhm

[signal bough]

they did just add a new cave in the mountains

[cedar kernel]

Already did it with light peninsula and jofash docks

[snow kiln]

Wdym?

[cedar kernel]

What

[slim belfry]

gargoyle fortress

[signal bough]

gargoyle something?

[snow kiln]

That's always been there

[signal bough]

has it?

[cedar kernel]

That’s always been there no? Or was it chiseler’s cavern

[regal spire]

There’s a lot of cool stuff inside a lot of the mountainside stuff, and I love that all the mountains are actually getting properly updated, but I really do believe that portions of the mountains need to be removed, still

[snow kiln]

U doing the scavenger hunt r u?

[slim belfry]

not chiseler's

[signal bough]

oh, revamped an unnamed oceanside cave into something else

[cedar kernel]

I find it funny you can just see Wynn if you go high enough in highlands

[regal spire]

It’s never gonna feel expansive enough, until we get that perceived vastness that an ocean skybox/sea of water beyond a set of barriers offers

[signal bough]

I found an area that was an unnamed cave that was redone and now its mobs just spawn in pools of water and on random rocks 😭

[snow kiln]

U can literally get into wynn

From highlands

[cedar kernel]

Yeah

[snow kiln]

With the steele

Which is crazy

[cedar kernel]

Is that how Gale made it out btw

[snow kiln]

Like everyone pretending how Wynn is some impossible to enter nation

[slim belfry]

extremely likely the case

[split night]

that cave is still there

[snow kiln]

And the very obvious cave in question

[split night]

for some reason

[signal bough]

admittedly it is pretty high altitude

[cedar kernel]

Fruma doesn’t seem to be too inclined on archaeology

[split night]

I thought Her's Majesty would have close it at least

xd

[regal spire]

My personal fav areas were the water trolls

[snow kiln]

Its queens piqunique spot

[slim belfry]

the opening is also near the Nasin house

[snow kiln]

Mhm yeah it is very close

But still wonder how she got to gavel

[slim belfry]

flying

she flew over the ocean before it was calmed

[cedar kernel]

So Gale in a nutshell:
interested in archaeology
Finds the stela and records the view of Wynn through that cave
Continues studying at citadel
Graduates and leaves through the cave

(To escape a possible fate as a sovereign)

I want Gale to come back to fruma in wastelands lmfao

Could one of the detlas festivals theoretically get moved to fruma

I guess it’d mess with story

[snow kiln]

Guess she just went to nemract

Took vost

[split night]

She seem to be immortal and ghostly somehow

[signal bough]

too high-level

[cedar kernel]

Yeah

[split night]

im glad Majin is dead so she don't have much reason to be afraid of returning to Fruma

[cedar kernel]

I guess wynnter is ok to be in lusuco

[signal bough]

Gale-Rurie meetup

[slim belfry]

she's still afraid of fruma itself

[cedar kernel]

Queen is dead

Their parents are dead

[slim belfry]

ok yeah

maybe not

[cedar kernel]

Only thing left is maybe trauma

[slim belfry]

and the loyalists

[cedar kernel]

Also, how the fuck would sohso possibly get into fruma

[split night]

the cave Gale escape out of

maybe

[cedar kernel]

Mmmmmm

[signal bough]

maybe it was Two

[split night]

It's very near Ragni and by extension, Nivla wood

[slim belfry]

probably smuggled in under Two's approval

[cedar kernel]

Maybe two is sohso

Two is sohso theory?????

Sohso went back in time and became two?

[split night]

Sohso is trans girl theory

[slim belfry]

no Soosu is Sohso

[cedar kernel]

Sohso became a human child and invented machinery????

Gender AND species bent

[slim belfry]

cosmic magic does weird things

look at gerts

[frozen turtle]

Sosho would've had to been smuggled/helped by Crown cuz he's a villager

[slim belfry]

and majin

[frozen turtle]

so i doubt he'd be able to just, sneak in

[split night]

i know a lot of transfem who want this rock

[cedar kernel]

I wonder how humans would react to villagers

[slim belfry]

WHAT ARE YOU CREATURE

[frozen turtle]

humans love villagers

[cedar kernel]

Like how would frumans react

[slim belfry]

I hope villagers get replaced

[frozen turtle]

um they'd not say anything to do with their noses

[cedar kernel]

What would one even replace villagers with

[split night]

anything that isn't villager

they are a racist species so let work with that

[cedar kernel]

Ok replace them with balrogs mmhm

[cedar kernel]

Sadly elves are already taken

So are dwarves

Could make an original race but that’s very hard

[slim belfry]

it's funny because "typical fantasy" races already exist in wynn

[cedar kernel]

Just make them kobolds

Very funny kobolds

[slim belfry]

they did it with the olm and ancient frumans they can do it again

[cedar kernel]

Make them all kobolds in trenchcoats

[frozen turtle]

make them changelings who changed into villagers

[cedar kernel]

Aren’t ancient frumans humans

[slim belfry]

uh

I think so nvm

just the olms

WE NEED more olm lore

[signal bough]

-Wasteland
-Train line
-Feared prison
-Scientist likely being held in prison
-(Mostly) Silent Protagonist
-Will be going there with a young capable woman(if we get Ava that's even closer to Alyx)
Close enough. Welcome back Half Life 2 Beta's Wasteland Depot!

[frozen turtle]

villagers are too iconic to just replace

[cedar kernel]

Why would Ava go there

[slim belfry]

they're iconic because they're minecraft and perpetuate the greedy stereotype

[cedar kernel]

Literal item called the greed ring or whatever

[frozen turtle]

and also they've been in wynn so long and it has become a big part of the story

[cedar kernel]

[frozen turtle]

im the #1 villager defender

[slim belfry]

you can easily replace the villager based parts to come up with something new

[cedar kernel]

Can I just say the ascension for tools is really funny

[slim belfry]

there's already a template for that

[frozen turtle]

like maybe change their name

[cedar kernel]

Like I feel the ascension animation is for mythics not tools

[frozen turtle]

i could get

[cedar kernel]

Replace the villagers with illagers

[signal bough]

mostly coping, but with Ava and Maxie both exploring weird parts of the world and being flight-capable, it's not impossible for them to be brought back for the story

[cedar kernel]

Just bring people from all parts of wynncraft story to wastelands fuck it

Lari just appears out of thin air

[frozen turtle]

i dont think ppl flying could gt in

[slim belfry]

ragni king too

[frozen turtle]

if its before apothesis

[cedar kernel]

King of rodoroc visits

Cinfras council

[frozen turtle]

after apothesis then u wouldnt even need to fly in

[signal bough]

oh good point

they could just walk in

[warm adder]

WhaT EVEN happens to majin at the end of the fight

does he just like

self destruct

idek

[drifting aurora]

rectangle map philosophy isnt really a thing

[cedar kernel]

Junes walks into fruma, finds the fruman language and old fruman shit, single-handedly decodes all their lore

[frozen turtle]

rectangle just easy

[drifting aurora]

the reason the map's stuck a rectangle is because there's stuff pretty close to the borders offmap\

[cedar kernel]

There’s a cave near Twain manor that goes out like 100 or 200 blocks

[signal bough]

well, if you're getting people for a dern suicide squad, outside of the Fruma gang and Lari, Ava and Maxie are the only ones who I can see being part of that

[drifting aurora]

and moving it isnt exactly feasible

[cedar kernel]

Why?

[drifting aurora]

coordinates, mostly

[slim belfry]

I bet there's offmap stuff still generated by raw commands lol

[frozen turtle]

just /copy /paste it so easy obviously

[drifting aurora]

we'd need to edit every single coordinate value for content in those offmap areas

and that stuff tends to be Scattered

not impossible necessarily, but difficult & more work than its really worth when we could just. keep the map a rectangle lol

[cedar kernel]

Tbh none of it should ever have been within even 1000 blocks of main map

[slim belfry]

the flippin queue room under the highlands LOL

[frozen turtle]

is there stuff completely surronding the map, like is there anywhere the map could be expanded

[drifting aurora]

i mean theres always somewhere it could be expanded

it's just also a thing of. we dont really need to

[cedar kernel]

Aren’t there only a few things per location

[drifting aurora]

youd be surprised

[cedar kernel]

!

Is there like a lot a lot of data per quest

That’s repeated

[drifting aurora]

?

[cedar kernel]

Or just generally

Since I’d assume you’d just need to edit location, mob spawns, and teleports/teleport triggers?

[drifting aurora]

a lot of wynnscript stuff too

it adds up

it's not super important anyhow

[cedar kernel]

It just is annoying when using high render distance LOD mods

That’s the only issue with it for now

And also for some reason some quest music plays when you go to the very western edge of roughworks

Like some specific mountains

[drifting aurora]

it's undergrowth ruins

[frozen turtle]

imagine having high render distance

[cedar kernel]

Is that going to get fixed

[drifting aurora]

probably

[slim belfry]

slykaar is alive and hiding in fruma mountains

[frozen turtle]

i love slykaar

what is his realm

[cedar kernel]

Goo realm

[signal bough]

I wish we could tell Slykaar that there's a global empire now and he needs to rethink his plans

[cedar kernel]

Is there anywhere I can view the current devs/content team’s priorities

[slim belfry]

feel like that'd be private

[signal bough]

but also an open secret

[cedar kernel]

Some of it is public no?

[signal bough]

we 100% know the next map expansion is the wastelands

[cedar kernel]

Is slykaar an agent of darkness/dern

[signal bough]

and Lexnt did say that all they had time for in regards to post-raid content was tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

In alt route, rhey just gonna straight up kill Taksm

I got the leak

It appear in my dream

[signal bough]

https://tenor.com/view/walrus-interesting-gif-13206961

[cedar kernel]

I find the way that the boss altar at Twain mansion area has dern all over it interesting

Like it’s affected by SE being on the other side

[frozen turtle]

in my dream Tasim steals Zhiraoks amulet and resurrects Aledar and they made out

[hasty beacon]

idfk what happened in my wynncraft dream all i know is i was in ahmsord and there was an ocean monument at one point

[signal bough]

oh yeah, forgot the horrible monstrosity there that's harassing wynnex site b

[hasty beacon]

so ocean update confirmed basically

[cedar kernel]

Tasim steals zhiroak’s power to run all the way there

To SE

[signal bough]

do you think Gale got her degree or got in an epic chase sequence and shootout

if she did, given she was at the university for 8 years, that means she got a PhD

which makes her a doctor

or professor

[cedar kernel]

Why does darkness make spikes like corruption…

Is corruption closer to darkness than light?

[brittle prism]

i meaaan

the portal is closer...

to the dern portal

in the physical realm

[signal bough]

characters with doctorates:
Dr. Urelix
Doctor Legendary
Professor Eih
Dr. Picard
Dr Essren
Gale

[slim belfry]

one is not like the others

[signal bough]

Essren?

it's safe to assume if Gale was looking to become a sovereign than the standard sovereigns(Zhiraok, Majin, maybe Oru but he could be too old) also have doctorates

[slim belfry]

I really wanna meet Oru

[signal bough]

and counting the sovereigns, 2/3rds of all doctors have bossfights

[cedar kernel]

Eih

What is eih

[slim belfry]

the frog

[cedar kernel]

I find it funny you can mention eih to croaqin

[slim belfry]

YEAH

[signal bough]

the TOAD you ignoramus

[slim belfry]

they know that we'd ask

[signal bough]

either a divine manifestation of Light itself, or a scion

[cedar kernel]

The best character in wynncraft is the bread enthusiast

[signal bough]

he's facing some TOUGH competition after fruma

[mossy widget]

canon

[cedar kernel]

Nah nobody beats him

Most developed character with fun backstory

[signal bough]

he has a backstory?

[hasty beacon]

his backstory is he likes bread

[cedar kernel]

That his dad taught him about bread

That he got a cavity after eating sugar filled bread and had to have the tooth pulled out

He used to live in maltic before moving to jofash

[dry aspen]

He is, as one might say, an enthusiast... 🧐

[cedar kernel]

Surprisingly one of the only characters from maltic that you meet elsewhere

If not the only one

Massive aah level gap between areas

Like 85-90 total levels of a gap?

Also it’s funny how relend is practically unscathed up until you meet him and the eye catches them

[hybrid gazelle]

the idea of Orphion fucking choose one of his scion being a frog

is really funny

so we will say that Eih is a scion

[signal bough]

it is!

[hybrid gazelle]

there is nothing to disprove this theory

[signal bough]

there's more to back it up

cause we get to see Eih's character

is his character nearly or almost perfectly aligned with orphion's character/morals?

[cedar kernel]

Is eih even real or are they just in our head

[signal bough]

no

[signal bough]

1. he knows things the player doesn't
2. there's a SD where you see him in a cave in the light forest when not high

[cedar kernel]

What was that SD

I forgot

[signal bough]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Messengers_From_Beyond

fuck im gonna be executed for posting a fandom link

anyways the SD says this

The Light has endless ways to communicate with the inhabitants of Gavel. One such way is through physical beings, from a higher level of existence.

[cedar kernel]

Fuuunnnyyy

Also: wynnic in gavel?

What?

[drifting aurora]

i can think of one point

[signal bough]

go ahead

[hybrid gazelle]

FUCK

[cedar kernel]

Do we have a clear date for when the ocean was calmed

[signal bough]

900 AP on the dot

[drifting aurora]

Anathema: But I am weakened. Power shared... amongst my Sovereigns... it does not come from nowhere.
Anathema: The others... are not so attached. Very rarely... have they given strength... to their chosen. They are whole... I am not.

[drifting aurora]

i think it's actually a bit before that

[hybrid gazelle]

lokay but

it said RARELY

so like

you talking to the same god who just

pop an obelisk for a random group of miner for seemingly no reason

and not guiding his own follower to benefit him

I feel like him choosing a literal frog to be his scion is not that far fetch consider how illogical and stupid Orphion is decision making

[signal bough]

also Lari is a scion, so all that means is that the other realm beasts have less scions

so Orphion is not whole

[cedar kernel]

Does dern have a proper scion

[drifting aurora]

means you really gotta justify calling a character a scion

[cedar kernel]

They stole bakal

[frozen turtle]

Wasn’t the obelisk the lights version of the parasite

Or like orphions exchange or smth

[cedar kernel]

Really ineffective smh

Rule of cool

[signal bough]

what else would have uplifted a small wretched toad into the dashing professor we know, other than that power?

[mossy widget]

yet that bum tasim gets to be a scion

[drifting aurora]

blink

[frozen turtle]

Maybe Eih is the lights version of TNA..

[pine flower]

tons of drugs

[cedar kernel]

Eih is a messenger

[signal bough]

the 2nd part of the theory is that Eih hopped into the light portal during the colossi builder civilization(when it was last open), and is 10,000 years old, the oldest living character

[cedar kernel]

Nah the canyon colossus is older

[frozen turtle]

TNA rips out reality while Eih appears in fake reality (drugs)

And Eih has a nameless degree like what is he a professor of

[signal bough]

don't worry the Eih quest in Dern will answer that

[pine flower]

my guess is philosophy

[brittle mirage]

psychedelics

[dense cairn]

GUYS i got a CRAZY theory : ||Sovereign Gikyo is secretly a shiny ignis||

[hybrid gazelle]

No fucking way

[limber swan]

Lari is also a Scion

[limber swan]

Bak'al

[slim belfry]

ehhhhhhhhh

he still seems to only be corruption based

[bleak drift]

Doesn’t he work under the Dern beast? There’s a secret discovery for it where you see him serving the Dern beast

[mossy badge]

...

[bleak drift]

||New to the convo, but if lari is the Light’s scion and Bak’al is Dern’s, could the player possibly be War/Anathema’s scion because I noticed that Two and Majin in the second to last quest mentioned we were a scion, or were they primarily referring to us and the realm of light quests. (Reposted with spoiler)||

[mossy badge]

He does, he worked for anathema 1st tho

[mossy badge]

The player is referred to as the light's scion, bak'al is (was) war's scion (and the sovereigns), also in the end of apotheosis when two says fellow scion, she refers to tasim

We dont know of any original dark scion i dont think

[bleak drift]

The eye maybe? I get it’s technically a part of the Dern beast but it was sent by him

[hybrid gazelle]

Scion mean that one must be blessed by realm beast

Bak'al so far does not seems to be bless by Dern Beast

and from what Anathema describe

the idea of him having mark of Dern beast on top of her mark

seems very unlikely

consider the undergo process of recieving a mark

reminder he ALMOST die when trying to recieve Anathema's unfocus blessing

[bleak drift]

The eye isn’t a scion in the sense that it works actively like lari or the player do on their masters’ behalf, but it watches over Wynn for the beast

[hybrid gazelle]

and consider the concept of blessing is not finalize until Fruma update

we likely will get more updated on how horrific Lari's blessing process is LOL

[mossy widget]

the eye isnt a scion its just an extension of the dern beast. scion means blessed. that is literally dern beast Body partr

[bleak drift]

Also I am guessing Bak’al being a scion of war is in the secret discoveries? Or I missed something

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

he is scion of war

[mossy badge]

No

Post raid dialogue

And well

[mossy widget]

he's directly mentioned as 'war's lost scion' in overture to despair and its expanded upon in anathema's post-raid dialogue

[mossy badge]

Obviously

Look at him

[bleak drift]

Ah I haven’t done the raid yet

[hybrid gazelle]

so far we dont know about Dern's scion

[mossy widget]

or if dern even has a scion rlly

cause i wouldnt count bak'al as a scion for dern

[bleak drift]

I heard the wasteland will be the final update for the backstory

[mossy widget]

bro is a peon

[mossy badge]

BLud's so strong they don't need 1 🙏

[bleak drift]

Will that update possibly be more learning where the player is from and fighting the dark or restoring balance?

[mossy badge]

I mean any future update will have backstory

[mossy badge]

Nah we prolly won't fight the dark in the wastelands lol

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know

it just gonna be region in Fruma

[mossy badge]

RoD update in 2067

[hybrid gazelle]

it's a side story

dont expect too much

it likely just gonna get similar treatment like other region in Fruma

probably 2-3 quests

4 if we want to get crazy

[bleak drift]

I just wanna see the Dern beast fully not just his eyeball

[hybrid gazelle]

wait 50 years

[mossy badge]

Maybe u'll see it in ur life, maybe not

[hybrid gazelle]

also working on trying to give more lore to proff items

Also Dern likely just holding out on scion so it would have an advantage over Orphion

when push come to shove

it likely just using Bak'al as a way to have scion without the downside of having scion

[signal bough]

oh nice

[hybrid gazelle]

just some note

I will write more descript for wartorn project

[signal bough]

will kanderstone's disappearance lead to economic troubles?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK what to do with kander stone yet

[signal bough]

well it's utterly magicless

[dry drift]

hello door l'scussion

[sick quest]

How have you figured out the magical properties of ores?

[nova goblet]

Same as cobalt but out of magic

[hybrid gazelle]

homebrew

[sick quest]

From what we've seen from Saphanis id be surprised if he didnt have a scion yet

[hybrid gazelle]

cobalt have their own use in my take

[sick quest]

But i imagine Saphanis would keep any scion in reserve

[nova goblet]

kanderstone is one that actually has some official lore

[sick quest]

Saphanis seems very much the type to not overplay his hand

[sick quest]

And quartz

[hybrid gazelle]

kanderstone I have to like

[nova goblet]

Oh and quartz

[hybrid gazelle]

probably find their own lore

[sick quest]

Quartz is incredibly magically potent we know

[hybrid gazelle]

quartz is not pat of proff and I already got lore for them in wartorn project

[nova goblet]

Kanderstone is decayed cobalt

[hybrid gazelle]

wait where Ic an read this

[nova goblet]

In wynn lore

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[drifting aurora]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

but where

[nova goblet]

Hollow serenity

[drifting aurora]

i forget where its stated

[hybrid gazelle]

alright

[drifting aurora]

but its true

[hybrid gazelle]

let me go check

oh that

foudn it

[dry drift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071393285500829759/1420520316697968791/togif.gif

[nova goblet]

If kanderstone is decayed cobalt then cobalt might be light related?

[slim belfry]

weird because cobalt is also in the jungle

[dry drift]

joe balt

[nova goblet]

Hmmmh

something something RoL influence like in lutho

[frozen turtle]

Don’t the decay just spread dern influence

Not just only remove light

So kanderstone being decayed cobalt doesn’t mean cobalt is light based

[hybrid gazelle]

no it's absence of light

I ratherhave cobalt being connected to the weave

because so I can have Troms being distributor of important ore

to Wynn province

so we can have "corruption resisted" gears

[frozen turtle]

no im pretty sure it also just spreads darkness

it does remove light as well tho

[frozen turtle]

Darkening Soul, Shade Lurker, Dark Weird,
why would removing Light make these creatures

wouldnt it just make it, plain and boring

[mossy badge]

Ye if decay is the absence of light, what is.. gylia plains with no influence 🤔

[hybrid gazelle]

because then you just make dark influenced area

so it like

does not need decay for it

becuase then that just it another SE

that how i Htink at least becuase

it just add something unncessery to the lore even if it downright hte same thing

it like drainning pepsi and fill with coke

then you get coke

like

[frozen turtle]

it clearly adds dark influence is the thing, if it just removed light it should just look like llevigar plains

[hybrid gazelle]

thenit just another SE

then can we call SE a decay too?

cause like if it is then yeah I am fine

[frozen turtle]

I mean i guess, except that it probably didnt have light influence to begin with

[uneven basin]

decay is more like draining pepsi but you're also slowly adding coke nah ?

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so it wont matter anymore

[frozen turtle]

thats what i assumed

[hybrid gazelle]

beucase there is no light influence

it just dark influcned now

so it just dark

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah ubt then

you just get coke

it not that differnt from just coke

[uneven basin]

yeah but the point of the decay is thatwe're not at coke lvel yet

[hybrid gazelle]

that like saying you drainning the pepsi and filled with coke and then call it a new drink

also would not imply

decay capable of spreading on its own

rather than relying on parasites

because darkness can spread on its own

that mean getting rid of parasites would do nothing

[frozen turtle]

maybe influence except for it's original portal can't spread that far

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase darkness would still be left

[tropic locust]

decay being the lack of light doesn't make much sense to me because that would mean the land goes to shit without it and that doesn't make sense since light isn't necessary for life at all

[hybrid gazelle]

it's like a crack

like sure

you can live without crack

but when you took one

the withdraw effect gonna hit you hard

and imagine like taking crack

[frozen turtle]

Also, im pretty sure the Olux swamp didnt have Light before

[hybrid gazelle]

for a LONG LONG time

[frozen turtle]

and why was the parasites tryna spread to the canyon if light wasnt there

[hybrid gazelle]

so then decay is just

[frozen turtle]

if they werent just spreading dark influence + leeching

It could also just be leeching life itself
but i dont get why that would make stuff Dark

[hybrid gazelle]

I have 0 fucking idea that one

I hate gavel discovery so like sure

[frozen turtle]

i could get it dying after removing light, but turning dark is so weird

unless its adding dark while it leeches

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure if we taking the fact that

decay is early stage of dark stuff going on

and SE at one point consider as decay

like sure I guess

[tropic locust]

why would light have a crack effect on life. could it be a part of orpion's plan to play a deity?

[hybrid gazelle]

it's analogy

I think dark and light are both crack

to life

and if heavily influenced by it long itme

and exist without it suddenly

[frozen turtle]

(but then why would people who never had crack be experiencing withdrawal for crack

[hybrid gazelle]

they felt withdraw

[tropic locust]

like who

[frozen turtle]

olux swamp was never light inflicted

i dont think

unless llevigar is

[tropic locust]

why not

[hybrid gazelle]

why not tho

like do we have evidence it not being light inflicted?

[frozen turtle]

Is llevigar light inflicted?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but that llevigar plain

Olxu swamp is not llevigar plains

[frozen turtle]

llevigar plain yeah

but why would light, go up then left and just ignore the plains?

[hybrid gazelle]

wee talking about olux swamp

[tropic locust]

all of gavel presumably is since the influences are grabby

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK it probably coudl be light inflicted

did not gavelian plain has like

fairy and shit?

[frozen turtle]

and then again why is Canyon of the Lost tryna be decayed by the derminites

[hybrid gazelle]

0 fucking idea

you know this is like

would be a lot easier

if they actually make visual indicator of which region actaully affected by the Light

insteado f just being colroful

another Gavel reborn L

[frozen turtle]

Gavel's light and dark just needs to be fixed

RoL rework pls

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the diea of Light Forest not being counterpart to SE

make it a lot more confusing

like

[uneven basin]

speaking of light's influence

[hybrid gazelle]

is Light Forest just not heavily influenced by Light enough???

Like

so like what is it