#📚lore_discussion
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okay but something that pissed me off that shouldn’t really
yeah but I meant like
so I havem y doubt it actually on Bob's birthday
sui’s outfit doesn’t change in her portrait when she changes into her highlands outfit
the festival was planned to coincide with bob's birth
and on that day it celebrates him more
but the festival is still celebrating heroes
Well bob is THE hero tho
depending on when the festival started
she does tie back her hair
wait really?
i did not notice lmao
i really love her crashout portrait tho
honestly though the wynncraft soundtrack covers
just insanely beautiful
again, tex is goated
like just as some standouts
like actually tho i completely agree with you if time valley looked as good as it did in the build damn that’d be legendary
also what’s happening in the background of famrer’s valley?
are they like preparing for a new quest or smth
My guess is it’s maltic’s well witch
Interesting question ! In my understanding Since the corrupted are dead bodies possessed by hatred they don't actually come back to life, hence they rot away into skeletons and bones over enough time. So I would assume that the fountain of youth would make extra strong corrupted / more durable one since they'd actually be alive (CoW factory perhaps ?)
yeah most likely
evil red arrow be like
well I dont think
having more meat on them would make that much of a difference lOL
It depends on wether or not the fountain brings the body or the whole person back to life
I dont think it change that much because in the end you just end up with corrupted
does anathema have diff dialogue everytime
and like
or is this set
depend on the option you choose
actually, why DID we beat her to death
Living people get corrupted in a different way tho no ?
aside from simping for tasim
IDK we dont really have evidence of that
the closet thing is Theorick
and even then he seems to simply under go process of similar corrupting
Can we consider what happened to Garoth still canon even if the character isn't anymore ?
no
he no longer exist
so he is not cnaon
do
do you rreally need peopel to spell out
why we need to kill
a fascist
dicator
who responsible for mass death and oppression
upon the billion of people
and the only thing you can conclude is
"simping for Tasim"
Aside from the fact the fascist is a supernatural force of corruption, she's also a fascist
her whole realm is pvp enabled, that should tell you the amount of awfulness
i mean
thats the reason why the player came back initially
its only after meeting the leaves that we decided the entire palace had to go
I mean yeah that intital reason that we come for Tasim
and then our goal change
because again
we met the leaves
Cuz its not added
amazing
I had the same thing 😔
one day, perhaps
We should have a pinned for frequently asked questions with the anathema gdoc dialogue and everything 😭
yup
...or the dialogue should be on wiki and ppl just look on the wiki 🤯
When you type rune door wynncraft you get a forum thread that says it's not implemented I'm afraid putting the info on the wiki wouldn't work cause a buncha ppl use the discord as a resource xd
you need the right amounts. buy a stack of each on tm and check every permutation of quantities
that would be the longest wynnwiki page ever
What if it is secretly implemented already and we haven't tried the right combination of quantities yet
There's only a billion combinations after all 
this is what my mockup for ana's dialogue looks like (ignore that 97% of the dialogue is left blank)
https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/User:Da_Homeboi/Sandbox#Anathema's_Demise
right now it is currently bigger than the page for ajh
yeah like
again, even just the postraid dialogue on its own
would be the longest wiki page
They should have a link in the wiki leading to another, bigger wiki page, which is sorted by varying sizes of dialogue trees, their paths, each one categorized into another wiki page link
Why does Tasim aura farm in the trailer against the queen ?
Has he been mind twisted before we arrive in Fruma ? I don't understand
Just for hype for trailer
Doesent actually happen
did you have fun fighting 3 bosses
no
majin bugged out
was scared the other two would bug out as well so i had @split night carry me back me up
oh hey weird bugs also happened before the majin fight
it teleported me out of the arena
after the cutscene
a few times
It's suppose to tell that Tasim is an indecisive character and in an alternative timeline he might very well be with us against the queen
lexnt did say this i remember
I’d have liked to see what it was like for Tasim to be in our place
im still mad people here tricked me into rushing for fruma for the tasim confession scene
💢
Irate much? 
and... we would join the crown if we see the big goal, the greater good
it's full of nuances
...I OFFER YOU...AN END...

wait wrong black skull
Imagine if bringing special items to black sans gave us other ahc scenarios
Imagine the time it'd take CT to code that too
she did it for fun
theres no greater good here
😭
who did what for fun 😭
she just didnt wanna let go right
the queen?
your royal brokeness
yes
mf giving me 5 le on MAIN quest
have you finished fruma
yes
she did not do it for fun LOL
She did it for a cheeseburger
it literally was for the greater good now that shes gone orphion and dern beast r gonna pull up bro its so over
true
I just realized that levels are diegetic
genuinely she just wanted fruma under her control
Orphion seems so helpless, though. He has been weakened for so long; surely he will go down easily
because it was "the only thing that belonged to her"
have to help him regain strength though or dern will just stomp us
Deciding on helping either or leads to a completely different end of quest boss fr
i dont think they can come up of anything that will lead to us being able to 1v1 whatever the fuck is in dern
😭
unless they bring in the goodest boy from ROL
I’ll be fine. Couple raid buffs and I’ll solo
Who, Lara bar?
queenie
she DID mention that it can always happen again
But, technically, she isn’t dead. She might reform 
the queenie we know is dead
That one was a meanie
The next Queenie will be nice 
even if it DOES form a consciousness/identity again in the near future
no guarantee on it being nice

unless we spawncamp her and just train her
There’s a likely chance that it won’t have direct memories of the events, but it will have the perspective
Like muscle memory
the new fruma questline and lore added so much more depth to wynncraft
like i didnt really think much on the message of wynn and thought its just about light vs dark good vs bad type shit
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🙏
Mr Legendary!!!!!!!!
NO NO NO NO
comedy
That's going to get someone falsebanned someday
surely its legit!
already did once
it'll make for a funny appeal
yeah, its beautiful
has the music from The Missing Piece been uploaded on yt yet
also something to add to the collection
orphion is NOT a good boy
@brisk elk WE love two
Fair
WE love lying
She literally a fascist dictator
wtf you meannn
This is not even fuel with hate,
Like why are you expecting someone with title of spymaster to throw hands
she literally kept the world at balance wtf you meaaaaaan
why WOULDNT you expect a sovereign to throw hands
Because that not what they meant to do?
She still fascist dictator thst porbably will do worse thing if we let her completele her plan
Consider the apotheosis likely the only time we ever can remove her from the board
Two literally said that getting rid of us destabilize the shard
So one way or another get rid of you also a risk to the future
i dont think irl politics can be applied to wynncraft atp
It is
It very much is in Fruma Tory
Consider how political the goddam story is
Because you are freedom fighter fighting a goddam fascist empire
ofc its political but to some extent u gotta stop thinkin bout that and realize what the queen tried to do from the very beginning
No you still gotta take into consideration
she was a necessary evil
the queen herself didnt care cuz she got bigger things to worry about...
What does roughwork work condition a necessery evil in war of the realm plan?
who cares about fascism if everyone's dead
And she is also one of the concern
queen is not fascist necessarily, it's a beans and legumes type thing. all beans are legumes but not all legumes are beans. not all dictators are fascists but all fascists are dictators. Her Majesty is a standard monarchical dictator rather than a fascist one as she does not try to rewrite the basic rules of their lives and reality, she operates in reality and does not engineer herself as a deity or all powerful person, but also has a police state.
Just because she share the same goal does not mean she should be an alley
yes, thats kinda what necesary evil is
Ok
of course its not right but think of the bigger picture
So whar does it do
Like what does the working condition in roughwork contribute for war of the realm
What does it do for bigger picture
it supplies the soldiers with the equipment needed to protect fruma, and supply her people so the queen can create a safe haven of sorts for the people she rules over
Protect from what
the corruption and realm of war
Corruption is far from fruma concern due to Wynn as meat shield
light and dark and corruption
Wynn exist for that
There is no dark, light, and corruption reaching Fruma
i think its obvious that it wouldnt stop at wynn
true, but the gendarme and wings exist as the secondary defenses
And other province do still living without mass production to the scale of Fruma so surely this kind of environment is uncalled for
well, they have their own problems too
they can live like that because the mass production provides for all the provinces alone
Okay but like why surely this would not need one day break a year eorking condition
true
lari is saphanis
Yes but like
Why work condition such as one day break a year
maybe not but if you understand why shes doing it - and if the people knew why she made them do it - then it seems pretty insignificant to me
woah...
Yes I do understand what she is doing
So like
corkus robots keep the corkians in ONE CITY in the entire island, corruption attacks keep wynn from flourishing AT ALL besides very isolated areas, and Gavel has a literal celestial war goin' on
Why one day break a year eorking condition
i think a hard job is the LEAST of their worries
Okay but like what the necessity of one day break a year type of eorking condition
exactly
That is not just hard job, that outright worker abuse
if they worked any less then they wouldnt be able to provide as consistently in her eyes
theres a reason her demands are so high
Wow it almost like
the roughworks folks have it EASY compared to every other province
the population only grows and the world only grows more dangerous too
She is total fucking control freak
what we even fighting abt
yeah so everyone can live yo
The game description
im trying to read up
Trying to tell us that
“So everyone can livel
trashie claiming that the queen is a fascist and that working conditions in timasca are unnecessary
we never said she was not the villain bro stop crashing out
i mean timasca a shithole
queen is bad yes but think about it
tumblr exodus was a mistake fr fr
u can see it from a logical standpoint... not a moral one.
one chance at life and born in timasca
we shouldnt be here yo
💔
when u in the womb and u hear ur mom on abt some sovereign soosu
I'm just gonna point out
notice that there's almost no old people in the roughworks
when u in ur dad balls and u hear sum bout grootslang and lari
lifespan prob low bc smog. everyone is sick and coughing when u talk to them
what my kids hearing rn
the queen could very easily just make Soosu another special sovereign and appoint another person to actually administer the roughworks
well congrats on the furture family bro
when you're lowkey an embryo and hear about a golem factory
im a wynncraft player im never reproducing
wynncraft proffers* never reproducing
zhiraok because he resonates with roughworkers (work until you die)
im cooked 😭
proffers relating to roughworks citizens
me too bud me too
me when im from timasca but have 10000stx sitting in my bank what bad working conditions guys
I have an ult. ironman craftsman warrior that i trying to get to lvl 100 in all skills, it's rough
almost there tho
okey yeah maybe just you
all skills are lvl 95 and above after about 350 hrs total over a few months
it was actually fun
I cant see how people can prof I had full xp gear and still getting around 1% xp per node
Fruma queen is pretty much written to be non rational character which also apply to her decision in her ruling
Many thing in Fruma are optimize into efficient working machine with no regard for citizens not because it would help the war of the realm but simply make Fruma a better empire to the queen’s eyes
To the queen, fruma is her realm. It’s her Realm of War that she actually has full control. She see herself as the empire and it’s nothing without her.
i cant understand why proffers stay in wynncraft when skyblock exists that is prof prime central
where did you get any of these claims from i think you misunderstood the entirety of the lore and chose to oppress yourself about working conditions that contribute to a greater cause. the queen is rational, but shes not moral. the first rule of law is to separate logic and morality. thats the epitome of what the queen stands for.
I mean, have you seen her cabinet of sovereigns? the entire story they're practically useless 🤣 fruma really has her as the only really competent ruler
how dare you speak on zhiraok this way 💔 (i agree)
“The queen is rational”
LMAO
Did they know
read the whole message before you get triggered...
i hope you get promoted one day trashie because i feel like its just personal atp
it seems my overall point on her not being a fascist is going over people's heads
i absorbed it dw
she not a fascist
see
the queen is hot
yey, someone gets it
I'll read it since that was before I joined chat
true and based and real
my voice for her was too right right right
Promoted to what
yes u rlly sold it
@muted crypt NOOOOOOOO
Yeah fair enough
not canon
lowkey got lazy when she started laughing tho there aint no need for allat now
u dying focus on dat..
she would want me canonically trust
yea yea and mountains are meant to be climbed
she think she light yagami
its okey everyone. the queen wants you <-- written by the queen *signed by the queen of fruma
like bro u died to rex
zamn brother
not even rex level
FOLDED UNDER 0 PRESSURE
rex has magic theory is true btw
i used to be rex number 1 hater
i thought it was obvious she had magic
I still am, she's annoying
zeph is air, sui water, mora earth, syndra fire, rex thunder
she is but i cant just ignore the fact she saved me yo
she doesnt think she does
her voice was annoying as hell to do tho
but she has enhanced focus
which imo is through magic
u r earth ur a big rock
the biggest ❤️
but yea rex says multiple times shes the only one that cant do magic
maybe i shouldnt have hated her so hard cuz i dont remember that but i believe u
it was during the training at the steel feather
she said she had no magic??
OH YEAH SHE DID
cuz she was showing off her archery skills and shi and she had no amgic i think yulie commented on that too
ok reading this she's pretty fascist
she literally killed thousands of her people, fed propaganda about the dangers of "cursed", and does nothing about the people's individual lives themselves and more about the welfare of fruma state itself
yea and before when we were teaching magic she says she doesnt need it bc she has her bow
also @brisk elk
yessssssssss ok
alternate anathema death dialogue
she makes sure that any oppression to the crown is met with literal mind wiping or execution no matter how large
but hints at us being a realm beast imo
what the heck orphion and saphanis dontknow something......
they dontknow about us but they do now.
at least orphion oes
she said theyre fucked bc they overlooked us
nah whatever we have inside is so buried we ourselves cant even see it
you cant see it but apparently can reach out to it
and hear something too
and feel
I see that, sure. I guess that tracks, I just hesitate to just say " hurr durr fascist" like all the other people here do (we all know the ones) and I see that there are more aspects to her character than that. unlike real fascist governments like 1930s italy, under the gentilean form of fascism, Her Majesty is ACTUALLY holding the entire kingdom together almost all on her own because her prodigal children are just basically punching bags for bossfight purposes
italy mentioned LOL
dont see that often
it is a more actual fascist government as opposed to the national socialism of weimar
which is collectist marxist-based but switch race with nationality
yeah that's what I mean people usually go "a man hiter"
which is also why i almost compulsively wanted to side with the crown, i find the paralells too fascinating to the real world {that and the leaves suck sorry, Mora is the only likeable one}
I think I said before I would take Tasim's place but switch sides much sooner
I am actually workshopping a sort of au story for the main questlines but split the mc into 4 characters. two of the 4 characters will side witht the crown as new sovreigns and the other two will side with the tumblr character oc's i mean leaves of the wind
interesting
as cashtron said seems to be more AU stuff after fruma
says a lot about how much wynn grew over this update
no spoilers but there have been two ppl now Ive seen in the game with vitiligo, is there a lore reason?
is this environment like toxic or smth
Im only 3 quests into fruma so far
you'll find out more about fruma's other places
No they just
They just like that
Actually where is the seconds
I know Xao is one
thats really unlucky tho fr
But what about the second
Ive met like 10 ppl maybe and 2 of them have it?
Very hard to see
vitiligo is just a skin condition people happen to have kajkfdhkjf
yes but its often caused by environmental factors
so for 2 out of 10 people to have it.. I'd start looking into sources
also i dont think syndra has vitiligo i think thats just how tex shaded the skin
Idk about this one
ohhhhh ok
Yeah I thought tjose was just shaded skin
its the exact same shading as the other person
Huh?
she doesnt
Like Xao?
xao is more pronounced
Uhhh
no there are other characters you havent met yet with similar skin shading
xao is the only one with actual vitiligo
oh ok
I don’t see it for syndra
weird shading then
Xao is so funny he appear for 2 quests and he got protrait
I wonder like
Do every single npcs gojng to have?
who's that
That Xao
They’re gonna skip dullahan portrait and it’s gonna be glorious
They make him headless in rol rework
the guy that helps zhiraok?
Lmfao
So they do not to give him different protrait at all
zhiraok's herald yes
ah
Notice how other sovereign has no herald
Zhiroak's assistant. He shows up two times in the Leaves in the Wind chapter.
In alt universe
majin is too insufferable
Majin bro you scaring off the heralds
HEADLESS DULLAHAN PORTRAIT
IT'D BE SO GOOD
They straight up give him 1 protrait

Im sorry but this shading makes no sense, I wont die on this hill
||Bro does not about 5 mins at Syndra’s boiler room||
I wanna say something but cant lol
||that was awful I past it through someone else|| 
||the queen would be dead if she was in that room||
||syndra has small room upscale||
||doing that in beta was something||
wat
must've been the wind
Why did I have a dream about sovereigns
i dont want to sound kinda annoying but was the syndra in a box fight rlly that hard?
i did it with trapper on archer 1st try...
Though the leaves
There's quite a few portraits in the auburn forest that are shaded as Though they're underneath a tree
||why'd syndra lowkey try to kill us more then the queen?||
||smh it's training not execution||
plot armor
is there any reason that after defeating the queen the whole citadel is still out to kill you?
besides for gameplay reasons of the whole area changing, but killing the queen has 0 consequences to the rest of fruma
gameplay
gameplay reason
there are a lot of places in the game where you solved the problem but it still attack you
and they didnt want to find a way to fix that?
fix what?
||I have a question about Sovereign Two and the queen. So technically, the queen is the source of all the corruption in the whole entire world of wynn? And Two knew that the queen is actually the big butterfly Anathema (whatever the name is) but never did anything about it?||
make an actual reason for it, instead of it just being gameplay reasons
can you fight god
that's the question you're asking Two
xd
Oh so the queen IS a literal god?
they made death mechanic an explanation
now look at how suck it is in game
a god below two god yeah
she's a reflection of hate
bruh yes
the same way orphion and saphanis are
I never associated her to be in same range with Orphion
||Okay, but now is she the source of corruption?||
In the wynn, the big spikes and things
you can say that sure
the source of corruption is the Realm of War
but Anathema don't really intentionally control the corruption
it's more of a bodily response to the environment
If she could, it would be weird to have a programm to deal with yourself
She also gave power to like one bajillion people
so she's not as strong as she should be
like 10 scion
like damn if she take away all of it back to her the fight would be hell
10 nuke
Yo wtf toten
?
My friends named the same
Also if we beat the last palace raid thingy, does the big circle and lightning in the sky disappear?
pretty unusual name to see
yes
you close that portal when you beat Anathema
there are a bunch of postraid dialogs from Anathema and one interaction with Tasim
they still need to add more for the rest of the characters
Wedding when
Yuh
Where can you find tasim?
at Aledar grave in Leaves in the wind Auburn base
Thanks
damn this dialogue hits hard...
||Is Orphion an ally to us? I understand that the dern beast isn't since all the rumbus, but what about Orphion? It's been so long since I did that quest line i forgot ||
"ally" isn't the word i'd use
we're but a tool to orphion
orphions goal is in our best interests, for the moment
but as soon as light overpowers dark, our interests do not align
I see. Anyway, since anathema was created due to hate of the two sides, is there someone or something that is gonna be or is the reflection of peace/love?
maybe if there was peace or love
I feel like that could be possible, but I suppose it might be more closer to neutral than good
I'm no expert in this good/evil stuff, I do like the lore and how the game really takes the theory of realms and stuff
Honestly shouldn't we be a god? Like we beating them all 😭
the thing with the war of the realms is that both orphion and saphanis hate each other
i mean arguably we're the most powerful individual in the known world, apart from maybe soosu or sui
I don't think we would be a god, but seeing as we are able to respawn can mean something, but it would kind of break the fourth wall as its a vanilla mechanic in Minecraft
We are technically also a sort of antihero even though this isn't a Telltale style game nor is there a "morale system" like what Elder Scrolls has
Why Soosu? Or Sui? I mean Sui is strong but idk
soosu's blessing is pretty damn powerful
Soosu was the pioneer of industrial stuff but Sui idk
and sui is the first (human) manaweaver in millenia
Manaweaver as in like she can see the strands?
Three times
yes
On three classes
without drawing on her own personal mana
Ohh, well idk I thought there was someone before her to do that 😭
there was maybe
She can basically make water from nothing
But what about Soosu? She can make living plants and move stuff? I never understood it
I mean, I did all the quests, but like most of them I did years ago
but it's heavily implied (or outright stated, idr) that she's one of the first in thousands of years
fruma quests*
ah
her ability's affect on humans is a bit unknown
but she can mold matter at will
which is, needless to say, very powerful
She was able to heal the lady in Solidarity of Steel
She should have molded the queen and buried her 😭
I forgot her name
Ah right god nvm
She did impale Gikyo since it killed her brother
That's Sui you're talking about
Aye
I talked about Soosu
yeah sui is just powerful
Also who's Sovereign One? If there's sovereign two there must be sovereign one right?
Our character is able to wield multiple choices of powers with classes
the only case to be made that we are more powerful is that she doesn't fully understand/know how to use her powers
maybe, maybe not
I assumed it was bak'al since he was the first and then two was the second
canonically those are separate things iirc
Got it
iirc canonically we are limited to the single class
True
But Bakal was from Wynn and he accidentally wandered to the dark realm no?
I think so
I suppose Wynn was more important
bak'al was never a sovereign i don't think
Also.... Could it be that Two already had the blessings she has even before Anathema came? Because she knew everything already of the queen, so they struct a deal or something
All sovereigns basically struck a deal with the devil right? 😭 Like signed their souls away, except Two?
He wasn't
All I know is that the war of the realms is the result of two realm beasts who hate each other and I suppose it could end in a stalemate for all I know
He was a poor dude who wandered in portal
Wasn't he meant to be a scion?
Well he's Saphanis' servant anyway
Oh wait
I think he wandered in as a normal human and got extra mega corrupted and yeah
That was after he got corrupted
Dern said Bakal i choose you lol
What I meant was like iirc he was the first human she met, so therefore "One"
But it wasn't anathema who met him, it was the beast itself no?
are you talking about the dern beast or anathema's war beast form
Anathema is the war beast form
Dern beast, anathema doesn't have connection to bakal i believe
anathema is the beast
Dern Beast is Saphanis
ah
Light Beast is Orphion
Anathema isn't dern beast right?
No
bakal went into the war dimension
maybe? met with anathema
But we saw him speaking to dern?
he becomes saphanis's scion afterwards yea
Were orphion and saphanis aware they had a child? Lol
I don't think it would be like that way
I think this was due to the two sides clashing
Yeah ik ik, but were they aware of anathema?
I think so
Orphion mentioned "she must be snuffed out" likely mentioning Anathema
Saphanis has no canonical gender atm
Ofc Orphion is male
Isn’t the fact that they were aware of her the whole basis of why the Physical Plane is still standing today
Anathema like threatened the both of them with the nuclear option or smth
Given that her strategy was of mutual destruction in order to keep both sides at bay, they very likely knew her or at least of her
uhh i have to ask what's physical plane? I saw it being mentioned a few times but all I can think of is a literal plane
I also found out that Bak'al had betrayed Anathema somehow, and it could be possible that he might betray Saphanis
Orphion is called a he
Anathema a she
Saphanis we don't know yet as it's only ever been referred to by name thus far
The world we live in
Saphanis is called an It I believe
O
Wynncraft’s entire universe is basically this
Minus goofy one-time pocket dimensions in quests
Light dark and war? Like the realms?
Yeah
i assume the Realm of Light/War/Dark
Ye
The Realms of Influence make up the plane
Our physical world (reality as we know it) make up the Physical Plane
anathema is rly the only reason bak'al is alive rn and he was her first follower before they split somehow and now bakal works for saphanis
Void is nothinngness
No things, no reality, no nothing
I've always wondered if anything lies beyond the mountain ranges of the map, since even Hawaii is bigger than the map (in minecraft scale)
So okay, then bakal was the "sovereign one"
yes in a sense
Which mountains?
Probably the rest of the planet
the ones that encompass the entire map currently
Oh, I just thought of it as flat earth, like that'd the literal end of worlds
It could probably explain where the wybels and the wocs come from
Light forest is Orphion's, the dark forest is Saphanis' ,
But Silent expanse is definitely from Saphanis', and while writing this i realized orphion has his own world, but why is Saphanis' so far away from dark forest?
dark forest is the way it is bc of parasite
Its depicted as a sphere a lot
parasite saps orphion -> orphion's area of influence in physical plane gets a splotch of Dark
Thought this was just caused by the parasite not by saphanis directly
yea
Oh okay
wasn't that what he just said?
But parasite, being darkness, has connection to Saphy ?
parasite was made by Saphanis
Pretty much yeah, if youve done the aelumia uni secret discovery they have a model at the top i think
Where is Lari? Is she alive 😭
The light forest barrier is sustained by her so she has to be right?
I might have overlooked it, but I did saw a crystal, so they stole magic from wynn defooo
And the light barrier at Dullahan castle is still up, so she has to be? -?
So she's in realm of darkness?
we saw her go there at the end of ROL5
Well, we'll wait for her, or meet her when we go there after something catastrophic happens prolly
Never mind I got it, the light and dark forest are Orphion's territory like the silent expanse is Saphanis', i just realized that the big circle with flying skeleton is a portal to the realm of darkness 😭
Sovereign Majin: "A step back, perhaps, but it could also be a boon in disguise. She could serve as a potential ally for your... whatever, if you could only locate her."
Sovereign Two: "Certainly, she could. This will shift the trajectory of certain shards of possibility... I'll have to dive deeper into the consequences."
I find it interesting they assume she's not dead off the rip
I mean we know shes not dead cuz narrative's sake but I guess it further cements how strong the scions are
Two definitely knows she's alive and everything where she is but ain't telling
nah she just has the Light Bender healing factor lol
she's going to pull a Saint-14 and in one quest provide what is normally a class-exclusive support buff to everyone
constant Sunflare in one spot
cant wait till we get to dern and she's got the thragg-pelt except it's just Anni
nah, fool eater hide
we don't know it's her at first because she has its face over her head as a hat/mask
I found it extremely funny that all the times in fruma when "let's fight together" was said, we were left alone to fight every single time (until the near end) 😭 and the audacity to say they are tired from fighting
?-? Who
Lari wearing Fool Eater skin like a big coat or cape
tbf they are fighting with us its just that gameplay wise it would be a bit of a nightmare
i assume its us doing 90% of the work though
||The other 10% is rex shooting an arrow on tasim queen and some sui watering||
By the way, I honestly thought, at the time, that Lari got some sort of corruption
Her eyes changed from yellow (light) to purple (dark) anything on that? @whole river
...isn't purple her normal eye color?
Like before the light form she takes.
I know they changed color at one point
I'm not sure if it's from purple to yellow or other way around
I assume you mean these two changes?
I wonder, did bakal ever have a saiyan form, and if so did he ever use it on Bob
I don't think so, he was just a corrupt human that leads armies
Yeah that's her combat light form, purple is just her normal eye color as far as we know.
Okie
he is war's scion
Also, is realm of light the place that we go through the stump to where the raid is? Orphion of light
yes
Ok
That is the gateway to the realm, correct.
Isn't he darkness scion?
He is for Saphanis, not Anathema ?-?
Uhuh okay... Then maybe we are darkness's scion to be? Because the way Two showed the source of our power, the void snd darkness
Two said that there is a emptiness within us, which she thought that it might be the source of our power. There doesn't appear to be any connection to the emptiness within our character and Saphanis' darkness.
Ohh alright, then i interpreted it wrong
the lore reason is It Exists
great lore reason
guys i did the level 116 quest and im a bit confused
what was the war with the realms, the hand that came out of the mirror, and whats the queens specifc role in regulating it 😭
overture to dispair
oh
Overturn to Dispair quest?
yes
tldr
orphion and dern beast fighting created the queen. she is war beast. she is war
ok and then how does she keep the balance and stuff?
Specifically, a shard of the Manifestation of War... since Two specifies that Her Majesty was war.
true
so is the "was war" explained yet
Why are most villages not surrounded by a wall?
Yes, in post-raid dialog.
oop havent gotten there
Like strategically, you gotta put walls around your village or town so you can defend it from outside threats
Nop
well its explained just
ur not at it yet

don't question how elkurn survived right next to the Root
was gonna bring up that shit
I mean if they have soldiers strong enough or plentiful enough to hold that shit off, they might as well Garrison it
I assume saphanis is dern beast?
She mentions that name in post-raid
yes
So
We are potentially dealing with ANOTHER beast
once War spawns again
and this time the mf probably wont even be a conscious being

Also, speaking of, yall think the Player's soul is going to be important in a future update? (the one in Point of No Return quest)
I think it could be because Anathema wanted you to leave her? She did kind of mention about Orphion & Saphanis, which I guess she wanted you to worry about more since she was defeated and that's that
Apparently Saphanis is believed to be the embodiment of Darkness has the ability to be Formless, so I guess what you're saying does make sense
The only part we managed to find (and destroy, assuming EO is canonically done after A Journey Further) is the eye
Wait
When was this mention
It’s not, it’s just implied rn, since we don’t have a set form for them
Like where does it even implied
Light Forest ult surrounds Orphion in a formless mass of darkness, and has pictures and visions of what the dark plans to do/has done
That’s about it
It’s difficult for me to say whether or not it is. It certainly feels like it can go both ways
for blossom of hope questline why tf did the 2 sovereigns just let me leave
Plans and shi
plot armor mostly
bro wdym by that
bro just let me go in for a fucking house tour
Sorta plot armour, but also Two is still deciding and Majin does not gave a fuck
bro what
||I mean Two knows that we went to the Silent Expanse and went to the front of the portal. We also went to the ROL. My personal opinion, we experienced so much shit that killing us would be a big loss in information. And Majin doesn't care||
how does he know anyways
She said it herself thst when she use her fore sight
majin taking the player for a house tour is weird though
Spies
She realize that the shard become u stabilize if you were out of the picture
Do that why she just decide to let the thing take its own course
And decide to plan out what is left
Whatever if the Queen win or yoh win
Taking you out is a risk to the plan
She do not understand why
she hates the queen?
No she just has more personal plans
It simply rhat taking yoh out is a risk on its own for the larger picture
Its gonna be explained next upd
Two is very much dedicated to the Queen
basically
if you're not involved
the world is guaranteed to fall to light or dark eventually
Yeah
but with us involved, that stops being certaintly even if she has no fing clue why exactly
I'm sure the next update will explain more
It will
Since its about her
But for now we do have reason to why Two spare us
Yes we're basically very important ppl
Also Majin give us house tour because two need us to be compliant to get necessery info
Which is what happen in RoL
she is dedicated to the same cause as the queen, not the queen herself
it's why their relationship is different from that of other sovereigns, and why Two defies the queen without so much of an afterthought
bro what
Ahh right
I just thought he just wanted to show off
wait she defies the queen?
also is it even a she or a he
She
Did you finish the whole storyline?
Oh no he want to show off
why does majin not gaf lol
a couple times yeah
never anything big, just random disobeyed orders every now and again
But two want the meeting to be less violence
Pride. He is very prideful
until the end where she just
doesn't kill you
Not gaf is probably not the best way to say it
then wont arresting the player do that
that's a pretty major order to ignore I think lol
or does he think he will fail
she, Two is very girl
He is so prideful that he doesn't see us as a threat
No he probably just listen to what Two want
Which is more peaceful meeting
lmao
Two want info out of the player
EoH spoilers if needed
||Two add some sort of tracking on your allies that are in his house||
Two wears puffy clothers that conceal form, but also has a thigh window that defeats the point lol
Two believe that reach violently would not get them an info
and now i need to turn myself in
wow this is so weird
how many plot hole sare there
plot hole??
I think they already said this in overture
I think
Dude
There ain't no plot holes chat
The holes will he filled up next upd
They literally explain it in the quest
also what does "didn't that one sovereign say' mean
It not even plot hole like what
Where
when u turn urself in
fam, just finish the storyline 😭
which sovereign lol
^
I think you're missing something
Legit just finish it
you're talking while you are in the dark
Everything gets answered
like legit
In ensemble of hope?
😭
there's some odd things? like how the dates surrounding the corkians leaving seem a little iffy still, given they stole machine parts a few decades before Soosu started the industrial revolution and all
yea
We're all hunky dory
all I can think of for plotholes
You turn yourself in because not only you get permission to gain audiences with the queen but also use it as distraction to get the queen out of the rebel’s plan
It explain in the quest
There like
no i get that part
An entire scene talking about it
Well actually that line was pretty obvious without future context
It's established that Two has some premonition powers beforehand so I immediately caught that while doing the quest
Was it pre soosu?
So why is this plot hole
why did the guards quote some sovereign but gets cut off
I just said that yes
I think the guy might just play the game half sleep
so he hallucinating contexts rn
xd
Yeah but since it's not technically a spoiler we could have just told the guy
Proabbly Two told them
I don't remember this line ;-;
I remember
@slender flax The guards are referring to Two, she has premonition magic the game tells us this in the previous quest
She predicted us turning ourselves in
Who was dude referring to?
I think they talking about how two to foresee the player come turn themselves in
So They were like
“How does she knows
From what I remember
Probably will check it again
Ah i see
Two have foresight so it make sense
Oh yeah that makes more sense
guys just finish the Fruma storyline, there are very few plothole and you have to like use a spyglass to spot it, im not even sure how you missed some important yet obvious context
😭
It weird how they mentions hole and these things are like
Explained to you 😭
Okay I might have doo doo farted and missed everything about the device we stole so what is it about? I know it's related to the corruption but thats about it
Did you finish the story?
Yes
It’s pretty much reality bender
matter manipulator is simply what it is, finished the story yet?
The only hole I can think of is the hole left in my heart after missing piece 🥺
Until the secret door in the capital
The weaver?
AAAAAAAA
It’s made device use to manipulate the element like it’s building block
I think so
The weaver is setup for post fruma content
The weaver essentially use runes in order to manipulate reality
Well defo use it for dern
Ohhh
And that how the queen able to get her mortal form
not only element, it can make corruption visible so i'd say it can manipulate anything
For fruma it doesn't play a massive part
Yeah thst too
Other than us stealing it makes the queen go back to her real form
Also by taking the weaver out of the picture
So some fruma characters will pop up in the next updates after wasteland?
Cause she hasn't recharged it or something
It def feels more like something thatll have more effect later on
Yes
wynncraft player reading comprehension:
You impact the plot by forcing the queen to let her shell fall
probably? it's gonna be sidequests so
I think it mention that it coukd force Dern portal to open
I think
Nah they'll be main quest I think
I might have to read more
Sui esp
I want to see the epilogue and how Tasim, Sui and Zeph gonna deal with Corruption in their body
So a possible key to activate the portal in SE?
We dunno
actually is WTP our first raid with a canon party? Us, Sui, Zeph, and Tasim
Maybe resonance weaver likely solution to binding portal as well
Damn
We don't know the extent to what the runes can do at all
There tcc
Literally zilch
The Dern portal is open, it's more like forcing yourself in
Nada
But it not clear lol
similar to light portal
TCC was who again
big guy in sky island
Astal or someone?????
Colossal canyon
John gluk
I know the raid, I was talking about the people who join us supposedly
what
Canyon Colossus
Rhay, and inoes
Which I will be real
Not uh
A good team of people send to fight
The ppl from dwarves and doguns? And maxi for some reason
Ohhh
they are gonna die 😭
Thats what bro meant
yeah I didn't get the impression they were helping us fight in the raid
like it's two scientists
Yeah me too
Man if only the story of Tcc being told better
Two scientists against a giant who can split the continent if he walked one step btw
fricking like, invent things as they fight? xd
inneos is at least out of molten rock ig
the best rhay can manage is probably to charge at TCC with a power drill
Does tcc have feet?
They build fucking kill Tcc- inator
I heard he's like trappef inside the land so i thinknso
Idk
Yea I mean the ahmsord colosi is just a fucking stump
Might be larping
Don't see no legs there
the image of Rhay letting out a warcry and almost tripping over his own feet as he charges TCC down wielding a power drill is funny for some reason