📚lore_discussion

[full jackal]

Awesome

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly IDK where to put Brimminglar at

so I just gonna put it here

[mossy badge]

Ye he's lowk unreal for holding 😭

[full jackal]

That is cool as hell, are you trying to make an entire fanfic about this or…

[hybrid gazelle]

fan extended canon

[full jackal]

Every time I’m low on HP I try to cast aura to heal

And I accidentally cast uproot instead and the boss kills me

I mean even when I don’t hold

My hands are so flimsy that I accidentally misclick

[hybrid gazelle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xEVC2cMm4xJ4npoKisJDtu2AdMjR7ihy7yID8gkhNjs/edit?tab=t.uq76el6eopvu

here rest of the timeline

not everything in the document is finish rewritten yet

only timeline for now

magic system will also get touch on

[full jackal]

Cool good luck lmao

[atomic hamlet]

Unironically given Gikyo’s blessing they might have the most significant chance as it’s an ambiguously worded “copy the powers of whatever they turn into”

They turn into a second Colossus

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but surely not that extend

[atomic hamlet]

Who knows really

[hybrid gazelle]

if we take it taht those purple goops

are extension of changeling that allow them to morph into anyone

that mean like

Gikyo must goop all over the place so much

that they match Colossus size

[ashen drum]

What's the best fabled sharpshooter bow level 100-110

[vestal rivet]

idk I just went into Fruma with Briar's Embrace and Liffmail Set

[agile jacinth]

canon bak'al so far

[young dock]

is the gendarme commander the same guy we fight in deserters refuge?

[mossy badge]

Apparently ye

[young dock]

interesting

thats pretty cool

[tropic locust]

❌

[ashen drum]

Me too lmao exactly the same

[dim plover]

Are weird less-than-1-pixel shifts in dimensions like these offputting to you guys

I'm working on a model and the character's supposed to have like, elephant-esque feet

[primal anchor]

isn't it IA not RA

[mossy badge]

Fanmade stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

?

why would Wynn use Fruma calender?

[primal anchor]

why are YOU using fruma calendar

[agile jacinth]

he is so andsome

[primal anchor]

thats what 133 ra means

[hybrid gazelle]

I did not?

[agile jacinth]

handsome*

[hybrid gazelle]

It's Reclaim Age

you can see it if you scroll up

[young dock]

We’re putting it in Bob terms now, we’re currently in something AB

[hybrid gazelle]

It just has similar abbervitation

[primal anchor]

we are currently in the year 5 BBD (before battle of dern)

[mossy badge]

Nah bro it would happen in the current year 😭 🙏

[primal anchor]

CT make time pass for the player challenge impossible level

[young dock]

We’re in 0 AL (After Lari)

[primal anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/bambi2-happy-jumping-with-joy-excited-yay-gif-10897229334538058475

[young dock]

It could be one of those SpongeBob slides that shows like “one year later”

[summer bluff]

I can't wait to see bakals corpse in dern with him having died off-screen, and lari saying that it was the hardest fight she'd done with a coolass scar on her face now

[young dock]

Just anything man

Enable the passage of time

[primal anchor]

SO much later that bakal got tired of waiting and saphanis had to hire a new peon

[summer bluff]

#keepbakalunfightable

[hybrid gazelle]

so true

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HHZWvB1aMAAnRVY.webp

[young dock]

She gonna wear bakal like a cape

[summer bluff]

Hey man don't leak the saphanis fight :/

[primal anchor]

shes gonna uncorrupt bakal and hes gonna live a normal life proving that she was right all along about killing people

i hate her

[split night]

Oh my boat having her wearing Bakal corpse as a cape is gonna be so insanely peak

😭

[summer bluff]

Have her save Bob instead

[young dock]

Dude in 1 AB were going to save lari and Bob

That’s on Grian

[split night]

She would still end up in RoD after rework but with a different context
But I imagine RoD questline would be RoL but go full circle and us trying to convince Lari that killing isn't always right

it would funny

because this happened after we sacrifies Aledar so it make sense

Lari would be mad as hell if that's actually what happen xd

[young dock]

I dislike how AJB/AJF punks Aledar at all times

[split night]

I still prefer a rework scenario where Aledar and us would fight for the chance to sacrifies themselves instead of offering

make for a better emotional climax

also fucking remove cart aledar

[young dock]

Whoa, I’m putting him in the ground if that happens 😭🙏

[split night]

He's an Assasin so I'd imagine he throw something as us to knock us out

xd

[paper wyvern]

The entire fruma storyline:

Like there's even a several days later screen in ensemble of hope

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/metroman-megamind-metro-man-gif-4270232700510617971

Half baked smoke bombs

[split night]

we're not [[TITLE CARD]] we're still human xd

[paper wyvern]

No we need aledar cart

It's important to the lore

[split night]

add it to quests between lv 1-20

[paper wyvern]

Yeah all the NPCs can obviously see us

Although the human part is debatable

But it's close enough to not be important

[paper wyvern]

Yeah honestly aledar cart is way too goofy for the late game tone shift

[split night]

I mean just look at all of the Fruma questline
I agree there could be funny moment but like fucking
imagine Syndra death scene was funny

😭

[paper wyvern]

The point is more late game keeps the funny moments separated from the serious ones especially in fruma

[split night]

yes

[paper wyvern]

And then you have aledar slowly dying and you need to hurry to lutho and get aledar cart

[split night]

Just like

[paper wyvern]

Cause off the rails is absolutely a funny quest

[split night]

there is no excuse for Aledar to not ride us piggyback

because we absolutely can carry someone on our back

why not do that with Aledar?

[paper wyvern]

They didn't have the technology

[split night]

xd

yes now we have

and im waiting for the rework

[paper wyvern]

I mean I'm betting they rework realm of light again and se storyline at the same time

[warm flicker]

i wonder if they rework the quests we can replay them if we finished the original quests

[split night]

Add replay quest without reward would be so great

[spring kernel]

Orphion isn't evil enough ingame

[split night]

yeah that too

we need more evil orphion

[pallid marsh]

has any1 found the fruman translator?

[mossy badge]

||Gale did, like a (2) hundred or so years ago, ask her for it||

[vestal rivet]

you mean the book item? yes

[vestal rivet]

but it's an entire conlang so just the translation book giving what characters make what sounds doesn't actually decipher what everything means, just what it sounds like and how it'd be written in english

unless you actually translate it translate it, it just looks like gibberish still

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion have like

barely enough red flag to us to take him seriously

and what is there is just

fucking nothing like

[pallid marsh]

i meant the physical item. i wanna go hunt for it

[hybrid gazelle]

how can I feel threaten by a god who sabotage himself again and again

and use his time on fucking meaningless thing

[mossy badge]

Its outside fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

like srly what does Obelisk do

they dont do shit

like make a pocket of light space in SE I guess??

[vestal rivet]

oo where
by rosetta stone or smthn?

[hybrid gazelle]

but it like does nothing

[mossy badge]

U dont know where the translator is.. ?

[pallid marsh]

do you know where it is?

[mossy badge]

I alr told u

Scroll up

[pallid marsh]

where tf is gale? isnt she the dead person in the hive?

[mossy badge]

Yes, in the hive

[vestal rivet]

no I just know it exists

[mossy badge]

Gale NASIN btw

[pallid marsh]

ik that, i just didnt know where she was at other than air room

[vestal rivet]

I thought your gale answer was a joke :/

[mossy badge]

She's just chilling in the hive outside of her room

[mossy badge]

lol

Its mentioned in the secret discovery about her

[pallid marsh]

where exactly is she chilling at in the hive?

im running around and dont see her

[mossy badge]

Don't go up, she's near the lower parts

[pallid marsh]

that doesnt really help when the hive is a maze lol

[mossy badge]

366 -5483 according to wiki

[pallid marsh]

yep shes there

how do i get her to give me that book now. hmm

[mossy badge]

Have u not 100%d fruma?

[mossy badge]

Huh

U should be able to get it

[pallid marsh]

i got an idea

[tribal crystal]

Nemract makes no sense unless its ransaked daily

[whole river]

The recruits are just really that powerful

[pallid marsh]

i didnt read the note in the secret discovery lol

i got the transscriber

[vestal rivet]

I knew she was a Nasin, not that she gave you the guide

[dim plover]

I want to fight the Dogun Elders

[slim belfry]

true who doesnt like beating up old people

[whole river]

You know for being genocided for the last centuries the doguns are pretty forgiving

[brittle mirage]

hello lorers i just got the transcriber from gale after getting a house divided secret discovery

and it says the language is ||tahkashtel||?

what even is that

[mossy badge]

"Language" in the language or smth

Its a conlang

[summer bluff]

Well like. They all survived as statues so

[slim belfry]

also fighting violence with violence breeds more violence

[summer bluff]

All those statues lining the street to courag are alive

[brittle mirage]

so this tahkashtel is the language of gale only?

[mossy badge]

😭 🙏

Ye bro she invented it and only she understands it

(its old fruman)

[slim belfry]

idk if there's a reason why she has one

[mossy badge]

She found it

When exploring

[slim belfry]

ah so it's ok we got it from her

[brittle mirage]

where does this info come from

[mossy badge]

How are her belongings with her as a ghost 🤔 dont dive deep into this lol

[mossy badge]

The secret discovery, a house devided

[slim belfry]

the same way that

ok yeah nope nvm

[brittle mirage]

probably didnt read the like 50 lines of dialogues carefully enough

so theres old fruman and modern fruman?

any middle fruman

[mossy badge]

Modern fruman is just modern wynnic or smth

Idk whats the language every1 speaks rn is called

[slim belfry]

it's called modern wynnic yeah but weird that fruma uses it

same with gavellian

[mossy badge]

Why are gavellians speaking wynnic 😭

[slim belfry]

can it have a different name

modern wynnic doesnt make sense this way

[mossy badge]

"Universal" 🔥

[brittle mirage]

is there a lorewise reason on why everyone have the same spoken language but not a written one?

[mossy badge]

I mean ppl who wrote in old language prolly also spoke in that old language

The writing is.. old 🤯

[whole river]

Genocide isn’t just mass murdering but you’re right it’s even worse cuz they were just frozen forever as decorations

[slim belfry]

I'm surprised most of them didn't go insane or something

[brittle mirage]

is there a thread or a discord or a drive dedicated the the fruman language?

[mossy badge]

#1489836179665981621

[brittle mirage]

thanks

[summer bluff]

Actually yeah if I was stuck as roadside decor for centuries I would have nuked rodoroc those doguns are smth else

[brittle mirage]

hello chat does the stela at ragni mountainside confirm that the wynn cities were founded as fruman colonies?

[mossy badge]

I mean they were colonies so not really founded

[brittle mirage]

founded as in established

does the game also give more info on frumans before the queen?

[mossy badge]

Ye

[brittle mirage]

iirc the queen came to power in 200ap and i think the wynn cities are definitely older than that

[mossy badge]

Ppl alr lived in the establishments

Or atleast in some surely

Like thats prolly why ragni got renamed

[brittle mirage]

are there any more things to look for if i wanna learn more about frumans before the queen?

nvm i found a wiki page lmao

[mossy badge]

I dont think the wiki has translations

[brittle mirage]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Old_Fruman_civilization
this one

but its mostly empty

and doesnt quote the sources either

[mossy badge]

#1489836179665981621 look at pins

[brittle mirage]

did check them out but im more interested in the lore in general

[mossy badge]

Well the lore comes from the translations

[brittle mirage]

damn thanks

i feel like we're doing actual archaeological work here

[mossy badge]

🗣️ 🔥 real

[brittle mirage]

i love the devs

also this is now my favourite mob

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/suikoden-suikoden-2-suikoden-ii-jrpg-psx-gif-10466610170224802459

[full jackal]

Yea basically pre-queen Fruma colonised wynn

Then stuff happened in wynn and Fruma became isolationist

And then Fruma was taken over by Anathema who took the form of HER MAJESTY

[full jackal]

Yea ikr it’s so cool

[full jackal]

There’s a secret discovery in Gitephe lake

(Fruma dam)

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah Ragni, Troms, Old Detlas, Ancient Nemract, Ekurn were very old lol

Akias too

[mossy badge]

(Note: not official)

[hybrid gazelle]

Old Detals, ancient Nemract, Akias are gone tho

[full jackal]

Get some stones from the highland bourgeoisie residences and put them in a location in the dam

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like Ekurn is too but not sure

[full jackal]

You’ll get a cool discovery

[full jackal]

What?

[hybrid gazelle]

there is no evidfence of Ekurn being destroy and rebuild

but the fact that like

[full jackal]

It’s literally in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

it's a still a town

[mossy badge]

Oh are u talkin about sunken monument

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think it lasted in the early day of Corruption War

[full jackal]

Yea

[mossy badge]

I thought the restitution shrine

[hybrid gazelle]

if Akias not survive, then I dont think old Ekurn survive

[full jackal]

What’s restitution shrine?

[full jackal]

Seriously though how is elkurn not dead

[hybrid gazelle]

if we talking about today

according to what I remember

it's about geography

due to the river surrounding the town

[full jackal]

Imagine being right next to the roots of corruption, time valley and nesaak tundra

[mossy badge]

A random weapon in the sunken town, u can interact with it if u have the restitution mythic in ur inv and it'll play a cutscene

[full jackal]

Wait really?

Can you show me

[mossy badge]

Show what? The cutscene?

[full jackal]

Wait but like if it’s in the game then how is it not official

[mossy badge]

Or the location?

[full jackal]

Yea

The cutscene

[mossy badge]

Its not in content book

[full jackal]

I’m not getting another mythic those things cost crazy stuff

[full jackal]

…but it’s still in the game

[mossy badge]

Its just a meemaw standing at the lake speakin in old fruman

[full jackal]

Therefore it’s official

[mossy badge]

#1489836179665981621 u can read it in (pins)

[full jackal]

What does the meemaw say?

Okay

Yyy

Dang most of that dialogue was untranslated gibberish

Like it’s still not done

Though tbh conlangs are hard to decipher without a big Rosetta Stone

And we have like 10 lines to go off of

[mossy badge]

There might be better translations by the wanted criminal guy

[full jackal]

I didn’t think there would be linguistic nerds in the Wynncraft community lmao

[mossy badge]

There are some lol

Sadly they only made a linguistic analysis but not shared like their full translations

[full jackal]

Lmao yea

I’m actually working on my own conlang but just looking at syntax makes my head hurt

Like you know there’s actually shit called “quirky subjects”

Like you’d say shit like “Me am genius” or “Mine am genius” if am was a quirky subject verb or smth

Like in Icelandic

Wait y’all

Imagine after Echoes of change you take Syndra’s body

And bury it next to ||Elise||

[pseudo night]

is there a yt video explaining all the new lore?

[mossy badge]

Dont think

There's a guy who's supposedly making one, not sure when it'll come out

[hybrid gazelle]

nah

[full jackal]

After saying this

I realise i have hurt many of your feelings

And caused irreparable harm to all of you

I have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement.

I would like to sincerely apologise for my previous poor decisions

I promise to change

I swear, I’m a different person from the me 23 minutes ago

I’ve done a lot of reflecting in these 23 minutes

I was wrong and I’m sorry

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[full jackal]

*I’ve done a lot of self-reflecting since I started singing this song, I was totally wrong, when I said it! Father please forgive me for I did not realise what I did, or that I’d live to regret it”

I wanna show you how I’ve changed as a person but first I feel I must address the lyrics from the previous verse

I did not properly acknowledge what I did and that’s not okay

My actions were problematic I won’t deflect them away

I was totally wrong when I apologised 5 minutes ago and I’m sorry

My apology was not good enough

[random hedge]

Why does orphion call the player "my pulse"

[hybrid gazelle]

from what we learn from CT

My pulse is like

literally just what Orphion call a familar

so like

[full jackal]

Cuz like, orphion is relying on the player for his survival

[hybrid gazelle]

it mean nothing

it just player calling player a friend

[full jackal]

Also nothing too

[hybrid gazelle]

that pretty much it

[full jackal]

I mean to Orphion it means nothing

But like the reason why the word that means nothing was “pulse” might be cuz we’re helping him stay alive like his “heart” or smth

Idk probably not actually

If CT said it means nothing idk

[hybrid gazelle]

not that htey say it mean nothing it just

Orphion callign you a familr that is all

[full jackal]

I think there’s like a reason why he picked that word to call someone a familiar though idk

[random hedge]

Ok

[hybrid gazelle]

it just not big deal as people make it be

[full jackal]

I think that some people deserve to be in Lexdale penitentiary

Not related but i feel like i have to say it now

Some people i actively want to be in there

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[full jackal]

In wynncraft i mean cough cough

Like I actually hope they get in there and get the worst treatment possible actually

Like wynncraft characters i mean

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[full jackal]

Sorry I got possessed by Anathema for a bit there what happened

[summer bluff]

Dr urikel

One frumillion years in the torment nexus

[full jackal]

Okay but like Urelix

Is like complicated

[summer bluff]

He's literally kidnapping swamp and dark forest residents

[hybrid gazelle]

actually I wonder how can I use ward for the loer

[full jackal]

Like yea it’s really f[[GOLEM FACTORY IS NOT REAL DO NOT BELIEVE THE RUMORS]]cking messed up to kidnap people for your factory

But like golems actively save lives too

Like I would not do what he did in a frumillion years

[slim belfry]

this is why we ask soosu for help

[full jackal]

But like from a utilitarian point of view technically what he did was morally good

I’m not a utilitarian though so I don’t think so

Like honestly there are so many things to make golems from and he chose humans are you serious rn

[full jackal]

Soosu is actually goated

[summer bluff]

How many golems do you see in game
How many lives did he take

He is a mass murderer

[full jackal]

Way too many to count, yes

True

All true

But also technically his golems were extremely efficient in the fight against the undead in wynn and also defending the cities in gavel

Were there better ways? Sure ofc

Do i think what he did was right? No ofc not

But like i don’t think he’s fully evil that’s it

Like yea it’s messed up to kidnap people for your golem factory and turn then into doctor who cybermen and yea that implies that it was like hundreds if not thousands considering all the golems in wynn and gavel

If not tens of thousands

But like it did save lives (sorta????)

Idk i probably sound crazy and evil rn it’s like 1:00am and i’m barely thinking straight

Y’all do i sound evil rn

No like genuine question i think I’m tweaking rn is what i said just now really evil

[brittle prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1378956841802928199/derncutscene.gif

[full jackal]

So like yay or nay

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so what I understand from Aster lore

is that at some point of time, he lost his 3 brothers and blame himself for their death

try to bring them back but they only came back as fragment of themselves

that is not entirely them

[full jackal]

What is Aster??

[hybrid gazelle]

and he also responsible for the Isle of Fiction

I feel like there something I missing here

[mossy badge]

Heroes festival guy

[full jackal]

Ohhhh

Okay

[earnest prairie]

Finished War Torn Palace. so Anathema is dead? or is it like she or they or it comes back but mindless?

[full jackal]

She could come back

But like without any of her memories probably

And in a different form i think

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah she pretty much dead

[full jackal]

Yea but like in post raid dialogue

She implies that she could reincarnate or smth

[earnest prairie]

well one of u two is lying :suspicious:

[full jackal]

Like wait lemme check the dialogue

[hybrid gazelle]

simplification sake

she is dead

[earnest prairie]

dake

[hybrid gazelle]

the concept of Beast of War will exist

but what Anathema is

[earnest prairie]

well thats good to know. i wonder if based on the dialogue tho we will fight orphion.

[hybrid gazelle]

is a slate shaped by her experience of that life

[earnest prairie]

again*

[hybrid gazelle]

so if Beast of War ever reform

it wont be Anathema

it will be a blank slate that will go on to become its own thing due it probably will have different experience compare to Anathema

because Realm beast work like that

[mossy badge]

Nol 2.0: electric boogaloo

[hybrid gazelle]

they are more extension of their respective force

best I could say is that they are a personality

[earnest prairie]

i mean besides war being a special case

[hybrid gazelle]

but for case like Anathema is get very weird because she is not really like

not really one with War

due to having no control over it

so her experience is pretty much define by that lack of control

well she has control but like not as much as realm beasts

but for sake of simplicity

[earnest prairie]

would killing dern beast (forgot their name drop thingy) be a “kill the beast kill the realm” thing?

[hybrid gazelle]

As Anathema mention

her kind cant be killed in normal sense

eif you kill Saphanis

[mossy badge]

Who knows

[hybrid gazelle]

then Darkness will make a new one

[elfin oak]

bob could

[hybrid gazelle]

it wont be Saphanis

[earnest prairie]

so u cant stop the concept but u can reset it?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah pretyt much I guess?

[cerulean ginkgo]

hi i typed in mmorpg and this server came up, is it any good?

[fringe kelp]

Does anyone know which of Uth and Az is Water and which is Air?

[mossy badge]

Nope

[earnest prairie]

wynn and gavel are gonna hate this new job lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Az is water

[mossy badge]

Nice tag bro

[hybrid gazelle]

Uth is Air I think

[fringe kelp]

Thanks

[hybrid gazelle]

but i know for sure Az is water

Ek is thunder

Tol is Earth

yeah Uth is probablt Air

[full jackal]

*”…and once I have gone… what will be left of me…?

…I do not want… to be this hatred… anymore.

Someday… beyond a distant horizon… might I re-emerge… once more…?

A spark… re-lit… a blank slate… a brand new miracle…

If it ever does… show it kindness… would you…? Give it… something more… than this hate… which surrounds… and overwhelms…

Dialogue Options

1.6.2.1: I will.

…then… I may… rest easy… at last…

…when I fade… they will know… Orphion… Saphanis… they will not… wait long……

…it is… an uncertain… future… but….. perhaps….. It is…… in……. good……. hands……..”*

[hybrid gazelle]

this is mostly theory

and how I interept it

is that evern if you kill Orphion and Saphanis

thjey have such control over their respective force

that eventually this new personality they got will be "egoistic" as much as the original

since Anathema is special because of her experience define by her lack of full control over War

[full jackal]

Sorta like ||The Lich|| in adventure time?

[hybrid gazelle]

but whatever Orphion and Saphanis are, never and will not experience that

and to be fair even then

Anathema experience lead her to be fucking fascist dictator

I dont think there ar way to pacify them

[full jackal]

I think they wouldn’t include this dialogue if there wasn’t gonna be a reincarnation of Anathema who we could befriend though

[earnest prairie]

ngl i’d consider forced reincarnation as pacifying personally

[full jackal]

True true

[hybrid gazelle]

depend that require al ot of monitoring

like first Anathema is special

because she does not even want to be in Realm of War LOL

she want to leave

Whatever Orphion and Saphanis are probably will never want to leave their realm

that their sandbox

so reincarnation is more delaying them

[full jackal]

Orphion and Saph are actual psychos honestly

[hybrid gazelle]

rather than a permenant solution

there probably an IDEAL condition to pacify them

[full jackal]

Like literally why war

[hybrid gazelle]

but I feel like it such specific and difficult to be done

[full jackal]

It’s sorta like

[hybrid gazelle]

that I dont think that it even possible

[full jackal]

a war without reason

[hybrid gazelle]

consider LIght and Dark fucking hate another cocneptually

like before even Orphion and Saphanis come to existence

like the concept itself

just hate each other

[full jackal]

But like why though

Like what opposing beliefs do they have

[hybrid gazelle]

as Two mention, they are opposite reflection of each other

[full jackal]

Literally name one difference between the concepts of “Light” and “Dark” other than they’re opposites

[hybrid gazelle]

they hate everything about each other

[full jackal]

Then they’re the same oml

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase they meant to be antithesis to each other

by conceptually

they are opposite in everyway yet so similar

it not like seeing the worst version of yourself

[full jackal]

I never get these kinda things tbh

Like it’s literally your clone but slightly different

[full jackal]

From what I’ve seen they’re pretty much the same in every single way except that one is light and one is dark

Which btw what even is light and dark

[hybrid gazelle]

it's two side of the same coin situation

they are different but also not

IDK

go read two stuff again

I think she explain better than I did

[full jackal]

I did and like i get it

But i just think that it’s kinda dumb to kill each other over the fact that one of you is light and one of you is dark

Literally what does it even mean to be “light” or “dark”

[earnest prairie]

ever played terraria and heard of the hallow? i think of it liek that

[full jackal]

Okay I think i get it now

[earnest prairie]

purity to the absolute extreme. even tho they still have avatars to represent them their living influences (like light forest enemies) will target literally anything not as pure as it

[full jackal]

Dark is like the suffocating emptiness like in deltarune

Light is like the suffocating prescence

So like what they hate is that one is trying to lay claim over more of the void

And they also hate that they

‘Re similar

Like they hate that their reflection is so similar to them

Why are there so many lights darks and voids in the games i play

Like Homestuck Silksong Deltarune Wynncraft TADC all have some kinda void, abyss, light or dark

[mossy badge]

Ikr chiaroscuro is so unoriginal

[full jackal]

What is chiaroscuro

Ohh okay

[mossy badge]

Light and shadow

[full jackal]

Wait is that sarcasm or like

[cedar kernel]

How did the realm beasts get their names

Who named them

Did they name themselves

[mossy badge]

Its not

[full jackal]

Saphanis is called “SAPHanis” because they’re lesbian

[mossy badge]

Ig

[hybrid gazelle]

working on the holuiday

[full jackal]

Okay but like seriously though

Let’s do some etymology

[hybrid gazelle]

I will come up with better name later

[earnest prairie]

light and dark a very common theme in general and its easy to build a moral system based on it

[full jackal]

Orphion is likely named after “Orpheus” from Greek mythology

Which likely shares a root word with the word “Orphan”

This comes from the reconstructed indo-European word “h3órbhos

[mossy badge]

I thought "orphion" is somehow releated to biblical stuff

Idk where i read it

[earnest prairie]

considering what anathema saying we have to kill all the beasts to stop their rampage i’d say orphion’s fox or dog thing is a guise to look more appealing to mortals

they probably are a biblically accurate being

[full jackal]

Which means slave

Furthermore

H3órbhos comes from the PIE h3erbh

Which means to change ownership

So it could refer to the fact that the ownership of the scales has been tipped in saph’s favor or smth

Alternatively it could be in reference to the fact that Orphion is a god

Considering that the beliefs of Ancient Greece is called Orphism

But interestingly there’s an Ancient Greek word ὄρφνη (órphnē; 'darkness')

Which is the opposite of orphion

Wait but also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophion_(god)

In some versions of Greek mythos a god named Ophion ruled with Eurynome

Dual gods just like wynncraft

Okay i think that’s enough now onto Saph

Saphanis sounds a lot like the Greek Poet Sappho

Which means that Saphanis has a common word ancestor with Sapphic

Sappho came from the Greek word for Sapphire

But actually I’ve found a better answer

“Saphan” שָׂפַן

Means to hide or cover something

In Hebrew i think

Like

יַמִּים֙ יִינָ֔קוּ וּשְׂפוּנֵ֖י טְמ֥וּנֵי חֽוֹל

In deuteronomy 33:19

[brittle prism]

saphanis = sap hanis. What is hanis you may ask? It's a Bakery in NYC. So saphanis is maple bread

[full jackal]

Woah u write fast

[earnest prairie]

all threats in any universe comes from NYC. marvel proves this

aka avg day in Deltas

[mossy badge]

🔥

[signal bough]

I would say the festival of the spirits is a direct afterlife intervention

[hybrid gazelle]

it's base on acitvity where you guiding lost soul

Banish the beyond does not take into consideration becuase I dont think normal people would put into a DBD style shit where they get stalk and kill by literal damned soul

[regal spire]

What are some of the spirits we guide, again?

[signal bough]

but it's not a community/local thing, a hole to the literal afterlife opens up in the center of detlas and a couple chill guys come out

[hybrid gazelle]

it's symbolic it do not need to be literal

[regal spire]

There’s one on the festival island or whatever it’s called

[hybrid gazelle]

it simply that the poeple celebrate festival of the spirit

as a way to draw spirits of the dead in province

this is the festival to the normal people

not the player or in game

not much to write about these stuff

but they exist as world building set piece

[regal spire]

Spirits, despite being a very tangible concept, don’t really get a lot of focus

Mael exists, Garvan existed for a moment, but otherwise, they’re just glorified mobs

[signal bough]

the biggest grouping of spirits of the dead are in the twain manor and then dark forest

[brittle mirage]

serious question

i havent been delving too deep into the lore but if the queen's goal is to banish dern light and corruption back to their own realms

why doesnt she just like stop corruption ||if shes the war beast/embodiment of war||

[brittle prism]

she can't control it bc corruption and war in it's nature isn't going to listen to anyone even the thing embodying it

[brittle mirage]

thanks and may i ask where is this info from?

[brittle prism]

post raid dialogue i think?

I'll have to double check

[brittle mirage]

alr thanks

[brittle prism]

Anathema: And nothing will change. I was War, but I have never been... this. It has always... followed its own whims. And it will not stop.

[brittle mirage]

and by this logic the queen doesnt seem to have so called evil intentions? if my understanding is correct her goal is to prevent dern and light from destroying the physical plane no?

its her extreme methods of ruling that makes her "evil"

but i still havent completed wtp so perhaps i still dont know the entirety

but idm spoilers

[brittle prism]

probably

[ember coyote]

yo? why are rex and sui lwk cooking

just got to this part of the quest

when did they get this strong lol

[earnest prairie]

potential girl

[warm tusk]

did we ever find out how to open this door?

[celest falcon]

Not implemented yet

[earnest prairie]

where is that?

is that the desert refuge thing? bc i got my butt kicked by the boss and im highkey poor rn bc i splurged for new gear

[smoky bough]

Just finished the wartorn fortress for the first time, is there really no summary quest/dialogue for the ending?

Wartorn palace*

[daring cloak]

most fucking inefficient train station ever wtf 😭

[unique jungle]

LMAO

[uneven basin]

Honestly they probably want to hide that line as much as possible

A bridge through xima valley would put attention on it

[daring cloak]

wdym a bridge thru xima valley

theres already an opening

[unique jungle]

maybe they want to make it seem longer

[uneven basin]

The yellow part ?

[unique jungle]

smth like that

so people dont go "i can walk the distance"

[daring cloak]

this does the same thing.

😭

u just gotta move the train station back

why do a u turn for 0 reason

hype moments and aura

[daring cloak]

its not a bridge its a tunnel just like the other thing is a tunnel

theres a mountain range

[frank flicker]

I would hope it goes underground and leads into

[sick quest]

Right click anathema after the raid

[frank flicker]

leads into espren

[smoky bough]

i did it, im talking about conclusion with zeph/rex/sui/canopy/feathers

and tasim

[frank flicker]

honestly

i dont wanna think too much about the train situation i dont think anyone has

[sick quest]

Ah i imagine thatll be added when fruma is finished

[warm flicker]

oh this, i just assumed it was a border checkpoint think, made to stop any tresspassers from going to fort torann

[smoky bough]

is fruma not finished?

[sick quest]

We’re still missing wastelands and the runic door

[smoky bough]

oh

nice, thx

i didn't think id be invested in the story honestly but I really got hooked on it

[sick quest]

Think Salted said wastelands r coming soon—> rune door will probably be either connected to that or (more likely) to the future dern update

[smoky bough]

the writing and immersion is leagues better than before

[sick quest]

Fr

Goated questline

[warm flicker]

evil wynncraft devs turned lootrunner/raider into quest appreciator

[smoky bough]

so dense

lootruns in fruma caves is frustrating though

since most of the caves feel like small quests

and some tasks in fruma west are straight up impossible

[sick quest]

Oh yeah the fruma lootruns r so tough

Especially the one with the highlands and mistwoods

Those are some tough fkin caves

[smoky bough]

Haven't done this one yet

yeah there are really strong mobs especially in the citadel

and highlands has really long caves

[jovial ember]

Does the ragni king have some special powers or is he just a politician

[smoky bough]

He's a puppet, the real king is Yahya

[signal bough]

Yahya doesn’t even live in Ragni’s extent

[paper wyvern]

Dudes just some villager

[drifting aurora]

i kind of imagine this is using existing tunnels

[signal bough]

perhaps from moles

[young dock]

He got money probs

[earnest prairie]

no matter the reward from that beacon do NOT go to defend fort hegea 😭

[weak apex]

Hey guys, does anyone know if more will be added to the story of fruma? The ending quest seems a bit... Abstract for an ending ?-?

[exotic bough]

i mean for epilogue stuff yeah

idk if parts of the fruma storyline will get touched up here or there (mistwoods chapter is probably the one thats the most in need but ill digress)

[weak apex]

I just wish to have like an epilogue type quest to see that everyone is doing good and alright (after we beat the last palace raid) , maybe even a wedding if they do and what not haha, but now it just ended so suddenly 😔

[exotic bough]

there is one bit of epilogue content

[weak apex]

For our dear friend yeah

But the others

[pallid marsh]

what is that?

[exotic bough]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Apotheosis_(Quest)#Epilogue

[pallid marsh]

ty

[sick quest]

wait till wastelands 🙏

[weak apex]

🫡

[pallid glen]

so why did they give the ragni team a tour of fruma

if the losers were gonna be sent back and they just wanted one sovereign

[weak apex]

I'd say they wanted to seem welcoming to us? Since Ragni king and queen have some sort of agreement. Plus Fruma has been closed off to the public for a long time, so a first "good" impression

[sick quest]

manipulation tactic yeah

[weak apex]

And they want a human to be a sovereign as well (i believe)

[sick quest]

they wanted to better take hold of whoever became sovereign in the end

[weak apex]

Do we have anything on our girl Lari after she went away?:(

[pallid glen]

no, nothing

[sick quest]

literally nothing

[pallid glen]

honestly I give it a 50% chance she's dead

[weak apex]

True

[sick quest]

guessing we'll get a lot during the Dern arc

[pallid glen]

and a 50% chance they're using her as a light battery or something

well it's not like they don't have a beast of their own so

[sick quest]

I think its 25% likely she dead 50% likely she captured/corrupted 25% likely she is surviving but struggling

[weak apex]

Also the whole quest line, about her and the Duncan guy... In that big castle where he turned into some sort of monster, wish we'll get update on him too

[pallid glen]

corrupted?

saphanis doesn't do corruption

[sick quest]

i dont mean corrupted in the wynn sense of the word

i mean in the twisted/manipulated/controlled sense

[sick quest]

yeah i hope dullahan becomes relevant again when we get Dern

[weak apex]

okay fine I'll wait for wastelands and dern 😔

[sick quest]

ikik its painful

i keep going back to visit the path to dern

[weak apex]

Is that the place where the floating skeleton is?

[sick quest]

yep

[weak apex]

I always thought that skeleton is some sort of our soul or something

Because it's like... At the end, and in the end we be dead or idk

[sick quest]

i think its implied (in hunters calling) that hes some small part of saphanis speaking to us

[weak apex]

I guess we'll wait

[sick quest]

yeah im just gonna run secret discoveries and raids to pass the time

[weak apex]

I've recently got the secret discoveries... But I'm afraid to do the raid.. I've seen the glimpses of it and I'm not ready to fight a giant butterfly that has more than 10 milion health

[regal spire]

Given the new perspective we have on Orphion’s tactic being to depict itself as “Devine”, there’s a not-zero chance that Saph is using the gatekeeper as some sort of mouthpiece for a similar tactic, seeing as its strategic, oppressive nature is kinda not gonna work on us

[weak apex]

Gatekeeper is the skeleton?

[regal spire]

Currently, yeah. They might get an actual name later

Regardless, Orphion has done the exact AHC style scenario, near the Taproot. AHC is just a bunch of those, since we need more convincing

[weak apex]

what's ahc?

[regal spire]

AHC is, in a way, justification for Saph not being inherently evil. Rather, they’re hardwired to be oppressive, much like Orphion, and took a route that worked the best for it

[regal spire]

A Hunters Calling

[weak apex]

OH

Alright thanks

[sick quest]

AHC is why saphanis is the goat

[regal spire]

🐐

[clever walrus]

watch at least one secret discovvery in the wastelands is gonna use the "A frighteing find" jingle lol

[tiny topaz]

what all do we know about the wastelands

[split night]

it's a land of waste

[tiny topaz]

wonderful

[frozen turtle]

-Deraj is big scary prison
-Project Hallowground had them mining underneath and they had to wipe ppls memory of stuff in the caves (prolly changeling related idk tho)
-Smth about a tar pit and changelings
-Sohso may be there
(Someone also said that the reason the Wastelands is like that is due to something cosmic? Idk if it's true though)

[split night]

I HOPE they don't fucking make a sequal to the ??? quest and add an extra question mark

[neat oriole]

?!?!

next quest

[regal spire]

Idt they said it’s inherently related to something cosmic. They said it was a “similar” madness

[formal bridge]

?@#$??!?%?@#%, the sequel to ??? and with even more convoluted steps that you need 10 players on the same server to work together to do

[frozen turtle]

yeah so it may? be cosmic though it could just be something else weird

[regal spire]

I assumed Dern related

But, I feel like that would’ve been mentioned

[frozen turtle]

?@#$??!?%?@#% requires 10 players, 3 on AS server on worlds 1, 2, 3 respectively, then again 3 on NA with 123 and same with EU. 1 Player has to be in the lobby

[regal spire]

Ana is pretty keen on describing darkness as being far away

[frozen turtle]

i dont know why Dern would be there yeah

Yeah ana would not like that

[regal spire]

It could be related to some sort of nuclear fallout with a rune situation

[frozen turtle]

plus like, the SE is right before fruma idk if they should rehash that and make fruma dern related again idk

[formal bridge]

I personally buy into the changelings and wasteland and all that being related to the material realm being important somehow. Which is how the changelings come from the earth itself, and the orcs also worship the earth as well

[neat oriole]

don't forget that you need a constant 105 ping for 10 seconds on one of the steps

[formal bridge]

it doesn't feel like a dern or light realm thing, and I don't want it to just be more magic meteors

[regal spire]

I think that’s actually more of a support for it, rather than it being a deterrent

But, I don’t think changelings are dernic, regardless

The rune/psionic motifs in fruma have me thinking that its effects it had on the environment, after their “nuclear fallout” level disaster depicted in Az, are the creation of the wastelands, and the radioactive waste created are changelings

[frozen turtle]

you also have to click a button on all servers at the same exact time but each world will take a different time to notice so you have to calculate the delay as well

[regal spire]

It plays into the resonance weaver, too, being a runic device used to manipulate the very weave of the world

[neat oriole]

and then ct say that they made it too easy to figure out

[regal spire]

Nuclear fallout and the waste that follows it would totally turn into a constant, ever changing pile of goo

[frozen turtle]

When the meteors of Lake Gylia fell, people often forgot about the THIRD meteor which bounced off and landed in Fruma

[regal spire]

After the first impact of the two Gylia meteors, they placed a giant trampoline there to deter any other impacts

[frozen turtle]

CT will actually ban the wiki, and if ur caught using it you get permbanned

[formal bridge]

that's why there are so many in that fortress Kitrios

they imported them from lake gylia nearby

[neat oriole]

noooooooooooooo

[frozen turtle]

it would be cool if the changelign stuff explored more about the physical realm

[formal bridge]

That's why it's my favorite theory for the situation

and also I honestly need the previous quests to be revamped so I actually enjoy the other realms before any of them being involved could excite me lmao

Physical realm lore is at least still open ended and not mired in old wynncraft writing

[frozen turtle]

I wonder if like instead of a realm beast of the physical plane, it’s like multiple beasts of different aspects

[formal bridge]

there are the fruman elemental gods

If the physical plane was represented by the five elements and their runes in turn, it'd make sense why they're able to allow the resonance weaver to work

[frozen turtle]

they're gonna retcon Gareth to be like a realm beast or smth like that

[drifting aurora]

garaheth?

[regal spire]

They’re apparently just some big fire demon

No relation to corruption demons, though

[split night]

Idk why that guy even exist

[drifting aurora]

corruption is devils

[regal spire]

Right

[split night]

he's like, a bigger dogun

[drifting aurora]

i get the confusion, just correcting terminology

[brittle prism]

corruption is fire themed fire is not corruption themed

[drifting aurora]

garaheth does have a place in lore

[whole river]

To lose to short people

[regal spire]

They’re just a bit of an unfinished aspect of DnD as a whole. They’ve got their place, but what they are—beyond a big powerful demon—is shown very little

[split night]

I think everything in Gavel is an unfinished aspect of Dnd as a whole

[regal spire]

I think Dawn Break and Ignis mentions them, the doguns/dwarves mention them, but idk if there are any other sources

[signal bough]

I sense half life 2 beta content

[earnest prairie]

for aura

[signal bough]

vs the roughworks which are half life 2 release content

[dim plover]

Garaheth is the Colossus’ husband I thought we knew this

(They birthed the Doguns remember)

[sick quest]

the Garaheth and Colossus shipping is crazy (obviously Garaheth should be shipped w Ozoth)

(unless ur an Ozoth/Ice Drake shipper)

[hybrid gazelle]

I really want to know what they gonna do with demon

[frozen turtle]

too irrelevant to remember the name

[frozen turtle]

having Garaheth be an actual demon would be weird,
i feel like it may be a case of just what the Doguns call Garaheth

im hoping Garaheth is like a physical realm beast of fire or death or smth like that cuz that would be cooler

[slim belfry]

this is why ozoth sleeps on top of thanos to assert dominance

[midnight egret]

are we (player character) the strongest mortal being on wynn right now?

we are 3/3 on taking down like the manifestations of like the gods

[slim belfry]

you take the parasite off orphion so not really
anathema it's you and three others

who the heck is the third

[midnight egret]

eye of dern

[formal bridge]

garaheth being a demon would also raise question of timeline stuff

[dim estuary]

thats bros eye not him

[formal bridge]

cause the doguns are thousands and thousands of yeasr old

so when would the demon have shown up?

[midnight egret]

anathema and orphion aren't full forms either no?

[formal bridge]

is garaheth older than the queen and current fruma?

[dim estuary]

idk but they certainly are not just a literally body part

[midnight egret]

right but who in wynn can beat us in a straight 1v1 right now

[formal bridge]

I think garaheth is moreso likely to be a creature of the physical realm since a dragon bone is used to wake i tup, and dragons are related to the elements which are related to the physical realm

[midnight egret]

mortal only

[dim estuary]

seaskipper

[frozen turtle]

i mean, we didnt take down 3 gods really but the ways we fought them were still impressive

[midnight egret]

def not mortal

[frozen turtle]

seaskipper is an octopus

[slim belfry]

I hate the term "physical realm"

can we just call it the world

[dim estuary]

?

[frozen turtle]

i want a better word for it

well

[dim estuary]

u mean the physical realm?

[formal bridge]

I mean it's just to keep it in line with the naming conventions of realms

[slim belfry]

the world is more accurate

it's very distinct from how realms work

[frozen turtle]

world also sometimes just means a planet

so idk

but yeah

it needs a better name

cuz its very different

[dim estuary]

it is depicted as a planet tho

like in aleumia university

[frozen turtle]

thats just the planet we're on

its cannon other planets with life on it exist, unless ur saying wybels come from another realm

[dim estuary]

so is the physical realm refering to all planets then?

[slim belfry]

is there even a name for the planet 🤔

[frozen turtle]

im assuming the cosmic fit into the physical realm

[hybrid gazelle]

Reality itself yes

I think physical plane is better refer as reality itself lol

Rather than the world

[dim estuary]

super cool place yo

[frozen turtle]

ever wonder how Seaskipper is at every dock? thats why

[slim belfry]

right because of the other planets

[hybrid gazelle]

Because there is no such thing as physical realm

[slim belfry]

wtf happened to them btw

[hybrid gazelle]

Realm is just “location” in plane of influence

[frozen turtle]

Wybels and Wocs, greatest mystery

[hybrid gazelle]

So basically Wynn province would be a realm counterpart in physical plane

[slim belfry]

I wonder if their old homes were taken over by the influences

[frozen turtle]

and why do they both begin with W? coincidence i think so

[dim estuary]

are light and dark on fighting over the planet or the whole universe

[hybrid gazelle]

So far as we know

Just this world idk

[dim estuary]

wtf are wocs

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe they will expand it later but we don’t know

We only know the portals only located in the planet

[slim belfry]

it is interesting that the wynn planet is the place of interest and not other planets

[frozen turtle]

i have a theory that maybe they have already fought on other areas of space but destroyed it entirely

[slim belfry]

that's a possibility

[frozen turtle]

cuz like, the realm of war is kinda shown to have multiple shards (im spitballing here) but like what if there are multiple realms of war from different areas of their battle

[slim belfry]

someone came up with a theory that the reason why the RoW is so big is because it took in a lot of physical matter

not sure how that would work tho

[frozen turtle]

most reasonable theory (i made) is that, the realm of war is made of the physical matter which was fought over by light and dark

the mirror Two shows is the manifestation of the hate but not a place, so the matter went there and the hatred created the life in the RoW

[slim belfry]

ah maybe that was you

[dim estuary]

so let me get this straight: there are multiple planes (plane of influence, physical plane etc) realms are certain areas in the plain of influence represented by certain areas in the physical plane. the realms that we know of all are focused on one planet

is the void just hollow earth theory then or is it some kind of other plane

[slim belfry]

okay hold on before we continue

[frozen turtle]

Probably I haven’t heard anyone else talk about it

[slim belfry]

where did you get hollow earth theory from

[frozen turtle]

Void but that’s a misunderstanding

[dim estuary]

the world is a sphere right? there is void underneath it therefore its hollow

[frozen turtle]

Amhs broke through reality kinda making a portal to the void, if you dig down you’d hit ground

[dim estuary]

i just ripped the name

[slim belfry]

okay common misconception understandable

[dim estuary]

source?

[slim belfry]

^

[frozen turtle]

I’ve heard ct say it and a lot of that lore is from all over the place

Mainly sky island/ void islands and

Kinda SE

[dim estuary]

1 step above i made it up for dramatic effect 😭

[slim belfry]

not really

the secret discoveries like the void valley one describes void as its own empty space

[slim belfry]

exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

And also implication that the planet is nothing but endless hollow on the inside is

Very weird

And odd

[slim belfry]

I feel like the planet is alive

but I can't prove it

[dim estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[dim plover]

@dim estuary Forgot to ping

But that’s how Wynncraft cosmology works atm

[dim estuary]

its np

[dim plover]

The void is by all definitions just nothingness

[dim estuary]

its just a bit stupid because the material "plane" is not really the flat disc it get pictured as

the flat disk makes you think of the gameworld which is actually a sphere

[dim plover]

I don’t really have a better way to picture it

[dim estuary]

and the "void" is like the void of space for planes which is like a whole extra level of stupid

[dim plover]

It’s not really a sphere either because that kinda implies that you can exit the Physical Plane if you walk far enough

[dim plover]

The void is literally nothing

Like, genuinely

The void is what isn’t reality or the planes

[brittle prism]

lowkenuinely?

[slim belfry]

I think they need to stop talking about planes because that's too "space fabric property" talk for what needs to be known

[dim plover]

I don’t actually know if the realms count as reality but you know what I mean

The two planes are something

Everything outside of them is nothing

Hence void

[slim belfry]

yeah that works

[slim belfry]

uhhhhh

they mirror reality

[frozen turtle]

isnt it said that light and dark got their own claim of the void or smth like that

[slim belfry]

that's the best we have

[dim estuary]

influence maybe? idk how they could claim nothingness

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure that tbe realm itself is their claim

[dim plover]

What

[slim belfry]

I think that's themselves

[hybrid gazelle]

Since their space just exist in the void I think

Like I think

Becuase idk man there like

[dim estuary]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

Big empty fucking space through out rol

[dim plover]

They claim nothingness?

[hybrid gazelle]

If that not void idk what else

[frozen turtle]

"Once, there were two twins orbiting one another, each laying claim to their own piece of the void they were given."

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

That their own realm

[slim belfry]

they're saying they dont know how
it's a response

[hybrid gazelle]

“They were given”

[dim plover]

Isn’t the whole thing about Light and Dark that they’re trying to take over pieces of our reality

[frozen turtle]

yeah

[dim plover]

Oh lol

[frozen turtle]

im just reading the dialogue and its kinda weird

its clearly not reality bt its smth else

[dim estuary]

i dont think this is refering to the void but a realm within the plane of influence within the void

[frozen turtle]

they had influence but nothing to 'exert' it on

[hybrid gazelle]

I will be real

I think it refers to to the same void

Cause

It gonna be hella confusing

Because there different type of fucking void

So like

For simplicity sake

It’s the same void

[slim belfry]

huh

[frozen turtle]

i mean it would make sense like if

[slim belfry]

first time hearing this

[dim estuary]

i thought we established that void was literally nothing like completely empty nothing

[frozen turtle]

you just took a chunk of the void and filled it with stuff

idk

[dim plover]

Correct

Idk what Trashie’s on about

[frozen turtle]

they might've just been given a place in the void to exist

[dim estuary]

but then they wouldnt be exerting influence on the void it would be on the stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

“A realm within the plane of influence within the void”

[frozen turtle]

well yeah, they were saying that they couldn't exert on anything

until reality/plane of influence existed

[dim plover]

Okay maybe this would be easier if we used the island analogy

Where we picture the void as the ocean and reality as islands

[hybrid gazelle]

The void is nothing so

[dim plover]

My interpretation of Two’s exposition is that the twins just started out on their own as themselves floating in the ocean

[hybrid gazelle]

They can’t exert their will on nothing

That like trying to paint air

I don’t think you can paint air

[frozen turtle]

so like, the realm of light really is just reality but influenced by light

that they took

cause it did say they took from the physical realm

[dim estuary]

bigger question but who tf gave them anything

[dim plover]

Maybe the islands we travel on in RoL are literally just islands taken from the Physical Plane

Like how TNA steals pieces from ours

[dim estuary]

this would make the most sense

[frozen turtle]

i did always find it weird that RoL had matter we could walk on

[dim plover]

But if that’s the case then shouldn’t we see missing land at the Light Portal region though

[frozen turtle]

idk some yaoi/yuri shipper who wanted an enemies to lover trope

[dim estuary]

who said they took it from that area

[dim plover]

I would assume that they have to start from their source portals

[frozen turtle]

well, when they 'took' originally, who said it was from that portal, if they took stuff they might've taken their original portals

[dim estuary]

also they have the whole physical plane to work with not just the planet

[dim plover]

Like how the land around the Dern Portal is gone

[brittle prism]

they took it from the void islands

😋

[dim estuary]

i dont think this was meant to be taken this way i think it was just for aura

[frozen turtle]

like i could imagine Orphion and Saphanis trying to take all the land and accidently take the land which had their portal and blocked their own access

[dim plover]

The Dern Portal area one is literal actually

I’ll try to find the messages but I do believe that it was confirmed that it’s either TNA or DB that literally just ripped all the land around the portal

And Void Valley’s like, the in-progress region since it’s the next one

[frozen turtle]

oh yeah it might've been TNA

[dim plover]

TNA Raid dialogue does also list the order in which TNA would try to take reality from

One moment brb

[dim estuary]

tna makes more sense i reckon

[dim estuary]

i did not know this!!

[dim plover]

Okay kind of

(Dialogue when you play the raid)

[frozen turtle]

in WTP, i forget but didnt Anathema like 'bleach' her tower of war?

[dim estuary]

does anyone have a copy of the whole conversation about when the war begins

[slim belfry]

there might be a candidate for this

[dim estuary]

besides salted?

[frozen turtle]

Seaskipper?

[slim belfry]

could be this person

[dim estuary]

actual schizo vagueposting

[slim belfry]

oh no

[frozen turtle]

ohh

[slim belfry]

am I doing the equivalent of gaster theoryposting

[frozen turtle]

the same thing that hide the player, gave light/dark their realms

[dim estuary]

pack it up sorry

the player is NOT the scion of the void

[slim belfry]

I never said or believe that

[frozen turtle]

not saying the player is a scion

[slim belfry]

I'm not a scion/beast player believer sorry folks!

[frozen turtle]

but it would make sense that the being powerful enough to give them their own realms would be able to hide us from them

[dim estuary]

sorry the two messages are unrelated

i meant to send the 1.3 seconds im out gif but didnt have time

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-out-gif-13029837226453242420

[frozen turtle]

i could see player at most being a weird scion for physical realm but thats it

[slim belfry]

yknow what's funny

that would fit for the colossus in a way

[brittle prism]

realm of peace is real