📚lore_discussion

[azure tangle]

i was gonna work on making a full lyric for it but havent had the time lol

[unique pumice]

during the story its neat cool mechanic

but once u start lootrunning and shit its genuinely so annoying

and doing world events

i just disabled fog

it felt suffocating

[shut mist]

i cant disable fog sadly

[burnt robin]

use wynniris

[shut mist]

no

[burnt robin]

also allows you to use shaders

without all ur spell vfx turning green for some reason

[shut mist]

ill stick to no mods

[burnt robin]

suit urself without wynntils then

have fun getting carpal tunnel on palamonk

[shut mist]

i hate both pala and monk

[chilly tulip]

I know that it’s probably a size scaling thing, but I hope one day that more buildings get added to the cities in Wynn and Gavel. After spending a lot of time in Fruma the cities there feel a bit more lived in to me, with more structures over a generally larger area. In Wynn especially it feels weird to call places like Detlas a city, because it just doesn’t feel as lived in, yknow? Like shouldn’t there be more houses outside the walls, or a field for farming, or a smaller perimeter wall outside of the main ones so people outside could be marginally protected?

And then there Lievgar and Cinfras which feel pretty big but also empty at the same time, which is a whole other issue

[hybrid gazelle]

we likely getting more cities remake down the line

but for Detals it bit of diffuclt

remaking Detlas mean you also ahve to remake other festival variant

so like I dont think we getting Detlas rework anytime soon

[young dock]

just completed "The Missing Piece"

https://tenor.com/view/mad-men-cinema-kino-don-don-draper-gif-3539584209935878210

wow

[pine flower]

cinematic

[young dock]

Shit was sunshines and rainbows when I was knocking out guards and shit 😭

what the fuck man 😭

[pine flower]

you were causing potentially ruinous head trauma, good job 🎉

[young dock]

they're fineeeeeee

I swear

its on the queen if anything

[pine flower]

true!

[twin citrus]

its only fair after all the head trauma the player goes through in quests

[pine flower]

also quite true

[young dock]

im still processing that

wow

[azure tangle]

nvm just finished a rough pass of lyrics lol

ill sleep on it and try a record tomorrow

[torn wave]

the only time i felt any kind of real sadness was when i did ajf for the first time

but that was leagues away from this

[young dock]

it really reminded me of a chapter in octopath 2, like one of the few times I have felt this kind of sadness

[astral void]

Cart aledar

[regal spire]

That’s AJB

[frozen turtle]

the first time a quest made me sad was RoL 3 when i realised there were 2 more quests which had Lari in it

[regal spire]

How old is Elise, now that I’m thinking about it. I couldn’t tell if she was misremembering her age, or if she wasn’t that old when she died

[wise thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

You can celebrate her death at ROL 5 tho

[brittle prism]

I hope she's dead at least

[cedar kernel]

I want to actually talk to Gale about Fruma lol

and tell them that Majin is dead

[main dust]

Can someone tell me whether the cherry blossom tree in Wynn by Time Ruins is the same as Highlands trees? I don't have the game open

Idk what the original usage of that tree was in quests or whatnot

[cedar kernel]

It’s got a distinct shape

That’s different

[main dust]

Thanks then.

[cedar kernel]

Remember: cherry trees also appear in northern CotL area

[main dust]

Appreciated - I very much like a Geographer person - I do nothing but stare at the map 24/7 but that doesn't mean I am passionately a person that remembers the actual first-person views of those locations.

[frozen turtle]

even so, the geography of wynn doesnt make sense half the time so often it's just a coincidence

tho time valley also has "Highland Basil" which is kinda weird

[split night]

i don't think anything related to geography would make sense in wynniverse xd

[hybrid gazelle]

Back in the day it just random bullshit

Tbh idk how you going to make wynncraft make sense geographically

So I never really give shit about it

[limber swan]

Detlas is never getting a rework lmfao

the album art is already done

https://youtu.be/eyATHMsvB6Q

they can't rework it now lol

besides

Detlas doesn't need a rework

[uneven basin]

don't look at the rivers too hard you'll go mad

[clear scaffold]

detlas is perfectly fine now, although i miss the old tower in the middle

[hybrid gazelle]

Detlas funcitonal what it is but I think in order to get what it MEANT to be c

it need remake

because what it currently is

do not reflect what it meant to be at all like

this is very subpar representation for the lore that apply to it

that likely there before its current iteration

but I am not sure about development

it could be different

but what Detlas currenly is, is a fortress that act as trading hub

also feature an airship

airship alone already make Detlas outdated due to the fact that

the detlas we have is

is bad like this shit

this shit is barely an airbase consider what we see in Cinfras

either they tweak Detlas in lore to not be all those thing at once

I dont think it even possible to make Detlas what it meant to be

I do think one of the solution is to move barrack from the main city to allow more space for trading hub and airbase

[young dock]

I think you have more issues with the concept of the trade market existing if anything

Just made deltas into a normal city atp since there was no longer a need for folks to huddle around and sell their wares

[opaque remnant]

Fruma spoilers || Mora is dying, the player: well it looks like it’s too late for him.
Anathema is dying, the player: I have a health potion ||

[unborn latch]

moth just is cooler

[opaque remnant]

Sui || was present for both deaths ||

[hybrid gazelle]

THe thing is that Detlas being trade city do have some sense

it's place where Gavelian likely make entrace in Wynn

and it's at the center of the province

allowing all goods distrubtion to take place

both in and out

so one ofm y solution is that make Detlas itself a trading hub while having the barrack be closeby

acting like Letvus airbase

kind of thing

[frozen turtle]

Detlas is also kinda made with its trades in mind, like its exits are to get to the other cities

[warm flicker]

spent some time working on an alternate history of Wynn im calling the Wartorn World - where Fruma, instead of starting the recruitment programme, invades the entire physical realm to kick out Light and Darkness. This is my first draft and i am not even close to finishing, but i wanted ur guys' opinion on it so far

[main dust]

Reading through over the day but the Alekin Campaign is where I ended and it's got some really funny concepts that I like you're playing around with - Maltic connection is a suprise

It's actually pretty cool, I like it so far.

[split night]

Wynntorned

im calling it that

xd

[chilly tulip]

Ba’kal hearing that Bob got his ass kicked: YES
Ba’kal hearing that it was done by his ex-boss: OH NO

[bold geode]

Wastelands, then a shitload of game quality patches, I reckon. Realm of dark, realm of light, go take down the realm beasts yada yada

Beyond that? Who knows

[idle snow]

bob might

[edgy loom]

what's the lore reason for the player disappearing during cutscenes when it's convenient so someone can attack the leaves

like when gikyo goes to murder sui

[hybrid gazelle]

Finally coming back to Wartorn Project

I ahve to restart everything

magic system I will cover later

[split night]

you guys are doing a WynnTorned Au?

xd

I've been doing 3 wtp raid runs today

I gotta say WTP is such a peak raid, I love the fact that Anathema can just bring a nuke out of her ass and bomb me

[spring kernel]

Will you be adding a palace to your project

[hybrid gazelle]

this project pre fruma

like it exist berfore Fruma

[split night]

oh neat

[hybrid gazelle]

it called Wartorn Project

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe

[split night]

It's kinda remind me of underfell but Wynncraft
something like WynnFell is very neat

[hybrid gazelle]

This is not AU

it act more like Wynncraft fan extended canon

with reworking existing materials to more modern date

all the stuff you see me make is part this project

including golems

[split night]

It's an AT then? xd
alternate timeline
not another universe, it taken in the same timeline but alternate a bit

seeing at like
fan extended canon is still material outside of the game but taking main timeline into account

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

but it still like

try to stick with the canon in spirit and not try to be antithesis or anything

[split night]

xd
we don't have to follow the rule absolutely when we make something fun

I mean I put 5 person to fit in the role of Her's Majesty in my work, that's gotta be considered a bit creative

huh, is the term AT popular outside of undertale??

[hybrid gazelle]

this is just personal challenge I set for wartorn project

[solid fable]

I like wartorn

[hybrid gazelle]

I fucking hate you

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[fallen wind]

@solid fable

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah Auree @solid fable ask what happen to Corkus in your AU

[solid fable]

Yeah

[split night]

but yeah like
for example
uh, Undertale: Call of the Void
it's a popular AT that taking the rules of Undertale stuff into account and fit in nicely with the main canon

[solid fable]

what is corkus like !!

[split night]

They became bioengineers with Terrarcana instead electromagic

with Dr. Urelix swap with Maxie

AVOs swap with the Factory

[solid fable]

Ohhh thats actually rlly cool

so the avos are like the mechs being created in this world ??

[split night]

yeah sort of, i'm trying to scripting it out how it would make sense
The AVOs would take on the role of The Factory so like, they are EVIL

[solid fable]

YEAH

[split night]

this also lead to a consequence that Industrial District in Fruma would also be leaning on more about bioengineering

[solid fable]

and Maxie is like the mastermind ?

How about Ava

[split night]

He made robot with the mindset of conquering the the world, Ava is his robot daughter

[solid fable]

thats kinda cute haha

[split night]

Dr. Legendary swap with Qira so like
Mr. Legendary take a lot of Dr. Maxie's Robot to put in his Legendary Hive

that's the main idea

[solid fable]

OOO i see

[split night]

I'm trying to have fun with the AU swapping things around where it fit the story xd

or just, fun

like

death swap with fake death

[solid fable]

YEAH it's really fun and smart too sksksk

[split night]

this one is Her's Majesty swap
they all kinda share the same position as the leader of Fruma

you probably already seen Grace

[solid fable]

Oo

[split night]

i've been slacking off of this and doing raid for the past two days xd

i really need to get back on drawing these thing

[solid fable]

This is really cool

[split night]

i'm so unironically an undertale fan so i have experience doing these thing
i'm not sure if that's something to be proud of

xd

[slender copper]

Why did you censored Mora-

[split night]

he's a scrapped design im planning on making him look more like Trashie's golems

[slender copper]

Ohhh I see.

[split night]

i just uh
couldn't find a good way to tell there are 5 member of the Council so i need to do that

xd

[haughty birch]

what's Rurie's beef with Majin? are they related or soemthing?

[split night]

I feel like
everyone in Fruma or Hyloch just really don't like Majin

[haughty birch]

i mean yeah but Rurie is weirdly ecstatic over his death

[whole river]

Majin is like the pinnacle of everything wrong with fruman culture

[split night]

I don't think I even like Majin as a human being

[haughty birch]

and they do kinda look similiar to one another

[split night]

hey i was very happy he was dead too

[haughty birch]

i liked Majin .w.

[whole river]

It’s like if you were there for the royal beheadings in the French Revolution

[split night]

don't get me wrong I think he just celebrate the fact that we *killed a sovereign

[haughty birch]

i guess?

[fresh orchid]

Rurie is implied to originally be from the highlands and have beef with Majin, IIRC.

[haughty birch]

oh

[split night]

I like his character xd
I just HATE him if he was right next to me and started talking

he's unbearable

[fresh orchid]

Or maybe that’s me reading too much into dialogue, but that’s what I took away.

[whole river]

Rurie lowk needs a quest

[haughty birch]

imo
Gikyo is a bigger bastard than Majin

[mossy badge]

I mean surely they know each other atleast

[split night]

yeah but we just didn't see much of them
Gikyo is sadistic asshole
while Majin is a prideful asshole

[haughty birch]

Majin is an asshole but he also is somewhat reasonable to talk with
and he doesn't torture people at least not directly

[split night]

I mean we're comparing a bad person to a worse person, of course yes Gikyo is way worse xd

[haughty birch]

this might also be controversial, but his books in his library aren't that unresonable
they're tyrannical, but it makes sense from a logical stand point

[fresh orchid]

Yeah, he has the very pragmatic opinion on the death penalty of “This reduces our supply of conscripts and forced labour.”

[unique cedar]

People hate a rude asshole more than a fun one

[haughty birch]

tbh i feel like they made him too much of a joke

simping for Gale was really overdone imo

[whole river]

Gikyo is worse but he’s also not a symbol of Fruma

[split night]

I agree with this xd
honestly we only really have 2 or 3 sovereign that are reasonably likable

I like Two, Soosu and Zhiroak

[haughty birch]

Majin isn't really a symbol of Fruma either.
John Gluk is

[unique cedar]

Gikyo is a likeable villain

[fresh orchid]

It only really came up in that discovery, right? I didn’t see it in the main story.

[whole river]

I am Jon gluk

[unique cedar]

He mentions gale in Queen's Recruit

[haughty birch]

what's likable about a torturer?

[unique cedar]

not by name

[mossy badge]

Agreed

[unique cedar]

Jack Horner was a pretty good villain I'd say, people liked him

[haughty birch]

yeah but he's more like Majin

Gikyo is "pain = funny"

[unique cedar]

He only mentions pain like in the confrontation and nowhere else

[haughty birch]

also speaking of Gikyo

[fresh orchid]

He’s unhinged and clearly having lots of fun being unhinged. It’s a sort of macabre spectacle that’s a sight to behold.

[unique cedar]

I'd say closer to gikyo, lacking morals and remorse

[split night]

The issue is that we don't see the process of them torturing people so we can grasp how much of an ass they are, I DON'T like Gikyo but I hate Majin more xd

[haughty birch]

why the hell is it mentioned that Azael is a chnageling and it's literally never brough up in any of the quests

[mossy badge]

Fun fact ahh

[split night]

Azael is very secretive of it i guess?

[unique cedar]

Secret Discovery lore is never mentioned by us anywhere

cuz it's optional

[split night]

I mean considering the burning thing

[haughty birch]

i mean there's that whole puddle of blood in the fort and gikyo throws mora around like a piece of meat

[unique cedar]

would be weird for a massive pivot to happen in a quest because of something we stumbled upon

[split night]

Wynn people need actual torture scene

[mossy badge]

I dont think they meant massive pivot lol

[haughty birch]

yeah but that is a pretty big revelation imo

[split night]

Is WynnCraft teen rated
are they allow to drop an F-bomb

[haughty birch]

they say hell few times

[split night]

hell is a swear?

[slim belfry]

"there's something I need to confess...
I'm a changeling"
in the format of that one meme

[unique cedar]

We need more Gikyo lore, like how do they feel that their entire kind is basically enslaved by the crown and trained into spies from when they are born

[mossy badge]

There is blood but not a single curse word 💔

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[unique cedar]

and changeling lore in general

[dim plover]

Gikyo’s a pretty fun character

[mossy badge]

🐴

[dim plover]

Their personality’s unique

[haughty birch]

isn't gikyo oversseing the whole operation?

[fresh orchid]

Disagree. Feels like it could likely come across as grand guignol.

[mossy badge]

And?

[unique cedar]

Yeah but like they don't really have another choice

from what was said in Wicker's Spark

[split night]

possibly, considering it was build on a game engine that is full of blocks

[haughty birch]

azael had a choice and look how that turned out

[unique cedar]

He just dipped and hid probably

[split night]

No...?
Who do you think trained Gikyo? xd

[mossy badge]

YOO

[unique cedar]

that doesn't really free any of em

[haughty birch]

maybe it will be explored more in the wastelands

[mossy badge]

Kai cenat

Its not MRBEAST

!!

[unique cedar]

Prime changeling example right here

[mossy badge]

W new scam

[split night]

another lost soul

[fresh orchid]

My gut feel is that we’ll see more about changelings in the Wasteland, given how it seems they’re born from the polymorphine(?) vein there before being taken for training.

[split night]

I think Azael is interesting for the fact that he have basically the same timeline of event as Gikyo but he choose differently and now he's happy with it

[unique cedar]

yeah the whole Fort Hallowground thing

I hope there's at least one discovery on Gikyo in the Wastelands

[mossy badge]

Hallowground project

[unique cedar]

I yearn for moooore

[mossy badge]

Again?!

Damn

[split night]

another lost soul

[fresh orchid]

It’s also interesting that Gikyo, in particular, seems to worship the earth as the source of life and magic.

[split night]

are those like, just bots are actual people falling for scam and get hacked

[unique cedar]

Also considering Oru and Gikyo are good acquaintances (I think that was said somewhere)

[mossy badge]

Example?

[mossy badge]

Do they even use bots for it

[fresh orchid]

“Even if this one is too scared afraid terrified to even try the gifts from land world giver of life, she has a strong body and sharp aim indeed!”

When becoming Rex.

[unique cedar]

They say something about mother earth once I think

yeah that

[fresh orchid]

It’s a very curious sentence.

[split night]

I feel like if Dogun are Fire and Earth element
then Changeling are Water and Earth element

[unique cedar]

also the boss title

Hallow and Hollow

Fort Hallowground

[split night]

hollow.... knight

[unique cedar]

rings some bells

[split night]

yes it does ring some bell

idk what bell it is ringing for me

[fresh orchid]

Yeah, it seems to be a recurring theme that the earth is sacred. I wonder if that’s part of the pre-Queen Fruman civilization, that was defaced and buried, with some remnants around Espren

[unique cedar]

we still don't have the ult discoveries of each region

so who knows

[spring kernel]

I wonder if they have some kind of Hallow Nest

[unique cedar]

My bet is we'll see some of the old sovereigns in at least one of em

[unique cedar]

And some kind of Loom far far away

maybe even a sand sea... waste?

[warm flicker]

a palace? In the wartorn project? What would u even call that, the wartorn project palace?

[split night]

there could be some kind of... sorrow on the sea

[unique cedar]

this month surely

one can hope

[mossy badge]

🧐

[unique cedar]

and cope

[unique cedar]

You have trusted sources too?

[fresh orchid]

My guesses would be:

Auburn - Sovereign Xima is assassinated, and we see the Queen flood the forest in response
Roughworks - Dark Forest-style timelapse of Agricultural District becoming the Industrial District
Mistwoods - The event when Gikyo is revealed to be a changeling and Azael unites the clans
Highlands - The Queen’s arrival

[unique cedar]

I have practically the same guesses except for the Mistwoods one

maybe Caetal getting killed by Gikyo?

[mossy badge]

What if old temple -> fort torann timelapse

[unique cedar]

maybe one where we see the Fruma border close

or the recruit programme begin

[fresh orchid]

Didn’t Caetal retire?

[mossy badge]

I dont think its confirmed

[unique cedar]

I don't think they would write "He killed our spy so we killed him" in a university of aelumnia book

[warm flicker]

too lore relevant, heres what i think they will be:
Auburn - explains in detail why the trees have their colors instead of just dying
Roughworks - day in the life of a single vagabond
Mistwoods - Gikyo's favorite meal
Highlands - Majin's 120 year long bachelor status

[unique cedar]

in there it just says that he didn't have interest in being the ranger of mistwoods and retired

[chilly tulip]

Is there a canon reason why Bob doesn’t learn Shaman magic? I mean beyond Shaman as a class not existing, because we know from The Mercenary that Fruman recruits can be Shamans (Mel), so it’s not like Bob would’ve been incapable of learning it. Was it just that there wasn’t a teacher he could find at the time? Was it his experience with Slykaar that made him dislike Shaman magic? Or is there just no reason in canon provided at all?

[fresh orchid]

Ah right, Aldwell library has that book.

[unique cedar]

I think shamanism was shunned lorewise until recently

partly because of Slykaar maybe?

[mossy badge]

Shamans suck 💯 ✅

Bob knew it

[unique cedar]

Their movement sure does

[chilly tulip]

I guess it’s hard to retroactively fit it into Bobs story as well

Because he already went to the major areas to learn stuff

[unique cedar]

probably not that hard to change that

it's mostly written

[chilly tulip]

So unless Nemract or something had a shaman lying around

Wait did he got to Nemract already I forgot

[split night]

hey guys
like
imagine an interaction between these 4

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[hybrid gazelle]

2 of them is allegory to trans while the other 2 is comfirm to be trans

because Toby Fox will fucking do anything but outright comfirm shit in his game

[split night]

yeah i know that i think it would be funny to have these 4 interact

[split night]

most people in the fandom kinda interpret being a ghost as they/them and then when you have a body, you transition

something like that xd

[chilly tulip]

I mean where else would he go to learn magic? The only major place he wasn’t stated to go to seems to be Nemract, so unless they also had a master of something sitting around where else could Bob really have gone?

[unique cedar]

Did he visit other provinces?

I mean gavel at least

[chilly tulip]

When did Gavek make contact with Wynn?

[hybrid gazelle]

Light, Dark, and War will have hteir icon later

I just wanna get main one out

[unique cedar]

or maybe somewhere in the ocean

[chilly tulip]

Was it 900 AP

[split night]

the Llevigar library secret discovery this explain that

check the wiki cuz i forgor when it was

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK if like

where should I put festival in wartorn project

i Just make Annual Event seperate

[split night]

are the festival events even canon?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

they are canon

[split night]

then why not put it in, it'd be fun

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

it is in

WYnnic Seasonal Event

that where they are

[chilly tulip]

I wonder if Tasim will have different dialogue at Blizzard this year

For post Fruma

Or if it’ll just be hard locked to pre Fruma

[split night]

they haven't finish writing most of the postraid interaction yet xd
so im not sure

[mossy badge]

Prolly

They put atleast some effort current heroes fest

[chilly tulip]

There’s updated dialogue for heroes?

[mossy badge]

No but they changed 1 cache location and made portraits for aster and siegfried

There aint much retcon in this festival

[chilly tulip]

Aw I missed the Siegfried interaction so I didn’t see it

[mossy badge]

Isn't he hangin around still?

Wait no

[chilly tulip]

Maybe the other festival heads will get portraits in the lore cutscene

[mossy badge]

Prolly (what do u mean lore cutscene?)

[chilly tulip]

The door one

If it’s enabled this year

[mossy badge]

I dont think it is

[chilly tulip]

Aw

[main dust]

You're a very funny person, that was such a quip.

Highkey though I actually want that more.

I love when it's mundanities about people that are shown, it's charming and rarely done too often enough.

[chilly tulip]

Majin was crushing on Gale right? Is his behavior just him moping about a crush for over a century?

I mean we know he at least acted like a jerk before Gale left, but it is a funny thought

[muted crypt]

he was an asshole to her wdym

[cinder cedar]

He was just being a jerk OR could have been a hate crush. Imagine the ego trip he would have had by marrying Gale and getting rid off house Nasin by merging it with his house.

Gale dodged all the nukes by ditching Fruma tho, girl deserved to be happy for the rest of her life and after life

[cedar kernel]

Which is why I would want to tell them that majin is dead

[chilly tulip]

Yes

I need that interaction during Blizzard

[muted crypt]

majin is also gay lmao

[cinder cedar]

that too

[chilly tulip]

Only Majin himself could live up to his own expectations of romance, he probably has a room full of mirrors somewhere

Speaking of Gale though how do yall think power wise the Qira Hive members stack up against the sovereigns?

[mossy badge]

I mean isn't gale invincible lol

Like if she is able to kill some1, she eventually will

[shy hemlock]

holy shit how have i never seen this before

[mossy badge]

END

[hasty beacon]

More periods than letters bro

[bold geode]

What is the deal with hyhet

[muted crypt]

“a familiar spark”

we ARE a realm beast bro

[bold geode]

At least something kinda divine

[mossy badge]

He saw how ugly the queen was and decided to desert

[muted crypt]

a sub-beast like her maybe

[bold geode]

Manifestation of balance. or change

something like that

[bold geode]

why does his head explode though and like

[shy hemlock]

beast of physical plane 🤯

we alone rule it

above orphion and saphanis who share one realm

[mossy badge]

I alone rule it

[muted crypt]

whats the path to get here

[sharp mango]

empty vessel broo we’ll be the vessel of the beast of the physical plane

[shy hemlock]

lemme check

4.2.1.1

[mossy badge]

Good question

[muted crypt]

ngl makes sense. orphion and saphanis vye for control of the realm but if we are innate to it then they really cant do shit

[shy hemlock]

Doesn’t Orphion mention that there are others like us in the end of RoL V tho?

[slender copper]

Fourth option, second option, first option, and another first option basically.

[shy hemlock]

like, get the people and raid

[bold geode]

"Orphion! Your son has returned. I bring the destruction of your nexus!" /j

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[shy hemlock]

to get the parasite off him

[muted crypt]

Orphion doesnt know what we are

and if he does he wouldnt tell us

[shy hemlock]

true

[sharp mango]

canon explanation for other players

[muted crypt]

he just means “other people”

[shy hemlock]

doesnt he select people to give access to the Light’s Secret

does he accept anyone now

[sharp mango]

new slander

[mossy badge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/865356997892767794/1205435348771938425/speechmemified_monaspeechbubble.png.gif

Avg person he selects

[shy hemlock]

morphion

morphions nexus of morph

[muted crypt]

he selected us because we arent wimps like lari

Orphion is manipulative and attempts to play the role of benevolent deity

he used lari to add to that facade

[mossy badge]

Olinus

[muted crypt]

but he wants us for his true motives

[sharp mango]

he also selected us because we were just there, a reference to how orphion will just accept anybody

[shy hemlock]

true

[mossy badge]

He's prolly racist and only accepts humans

[muted crypt]

i like how contrasted our character is to lari

[shy hemlock]

it would be dope to see the player above Orphion and Saphanis

[sharp mango]

lari is an elf but idk orphion might be more racist to non elves and humans

[mossy badge]

Aint no elf gettin here after the elf girls accident 🙏

[muted crypt]

lari tries to see the best in everything and we straight up tell Tasim to kill himself

[shy hemlock]

I wonder what the dern/post-dern storyline be called

[sharp mango]

Unto War

[shy hemlock]

also wouldn’t the remaining sovereigns lose their powers when Anathema fades?

[sharp mango]

W realm of war referebce

[mossy badge]

Idk

[bold geode]

or you could tell him to stop moping and get over himself

[sharp mango]

Morphanis

[bold geode]

or just let him suffer in the silence

[shy hemlock]

Isn’t she the source of the sovereign’s power

[muted crypt]

i preferred the former

[shy hemlock]

is there another popular slop set

we already have morphion

[sharp mango]

liffmail

[mossy badge]

Morph is NOT slop

(CF)

[bold geode]

doubt it since she's like, she tells us she's lesser for having given power to the sovereigns

[mossy badge]

Fruman slop

[bold geode]

Z's super speed COST her

[sharp mango]

saphanis is sapphic probably

[bold geode]

I think that power is separate from her

[shy hemlock]

the countless revives

[sharp mango]

theres a trinket

we use it son

[shy hemlock]

i know but how do you think it was charged

in the first place

[sharp mango]

passively probably

[bold geode]

the funny trinket seems to grant Z immortality regardless of the queen's blessing as long as he doesn't overuse it

[sharp mango]

her majesty can i please borrow your charger

[bold geode]

since it seems like anyone can charge it with sufficient power

[shy hemlock]

cant be the threads because there are some for us, Sui, Tasim and Soosu to use and at that point it could’ve already used those by itself

[muted crypt]

we will prob pull sum bullshit and share some of our own power of friendship with the remaining sovereigns again

[bold geode]

and people's mana recharges, seemingly endlessly

[shy hemlock]

scions of the beast of windows 10

beast of java edition

[muted crypt]

i honestly kinda hated that the power of friendship saved everyone at the dam

made it feel much less impactful

[mossy badge]

What are u saying

[shy hemlock]

beast of the resource pack

[muted crypt]

someone had to die

[bold geode]

So we can assume that like, long as someone has time to recharge it and doesnt get killed more than that the nasins are just unkillable with the talisman

[shy hemlock]

in Apotheosis the charm runs out of mana and the player, Sui, Tasim and Soosu charge it to revive Zhiarok

[mossy badge]

And?

[sharp mango]

yeah

[bold geode]

tbf tasim's blessing is kinda just paladin

he gives radiance to people

I didn't mind

[sharp mango]

radiant power huh

[bold geode]

it's like he used some kind of

[sharp mango]

do we get lr pulls if wr kill him

[shy hemlock]

i am saying the charm cant be pulling from the threads or whatever the resonance weaver and Sui mention before because Sui grabs the from there when the charm runs out

the weave

thats the word

the weave

[sharp mango]

string theory is canon and factual in wynncraft

[shy hemlock]

So the charm has to get its mana from somewhere that isnt the weave?

[bold geode]

It needs mana from people I reckon

And I don't think the weave is necessarily mana

[shy hemlock]

does it use Zhiarok’s mana then

when he wields it

[bold geode]

you need mana to mess with the weave, from what I'm getting

[mossy badge]

Ye tbh idk what it is

[bold geode]

yeah I think it does

[shy hemlock]

Weave is the elements and War

but tbh

[mossy badge]

I mean where do ppl get their endless mana?

[bold geode]

and he finally runs out at the end of apotheosis

[shy hemlock]

war is prob an element too considering that light and dark are (a journey beyond)

[bold geode]

mana seems like some kind of endless soul energy

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[bold geode]

doesn't someone mention tasim's blessing being "intent"

[shy hemlock]

true

Majin i think?

[sharp mango]

everybody in fruma doesnt have mr gear so maybe it is for us

[bold geode]

maybe mana is just people's will to be able to do stuff, manifesting as an energy supply for magic (manipiulating le weave)

[mossy badge]

Everyone has default 25mr or whatever

They just dont know how to cast spells

[bold geode]

which would also explain why he can just give power to people then

Idk we may learn more with wastelands

[shy hemlock]

i wonder if the light and dark elements will ever be reused

[mossy badge]

They will be removed

[sharp mango]

they dont know how to cycle spells

frumans use olinus cycle ?

[bold geode]

retconned. goodbye

[mossy badge]

They don't even have them equipped from AT bro 😭 🙏

[bold geode]

yes

[mossy badge]

They running hmelee ✌️

[sharp mango]

sui has water and ice you dont understand

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-holding-back-laughter-laughter-gif-23404300

[bold geode]

although sui cycles spells (she has various fancy forms of ice cubing someone) and look at her go

[sharp mango]

water beam and ice freeze

[mossy badge]

Ye thats sui

[sharp mango]

does he know

[hybrid gazelle]

What if instead of water, Sui just use fire

[shy hemlock]

(i dont)

[hybrid gazelle]

Like what if she just arsonist

[hybrid gazelle]

Light and dark is not an element

[bold geode]

[hybrid gazelle]

It been retcon

Or whatever yoh call

[shy hemlock]

the dam would be replaced by a giant furnace that heats up the province

[sharp mango]

and tasim is in the rebellion and were a sovereign

[shy hemlock]

oh

Oooooh

[muted crypt]

its still in ajb isnt it

[shy hemlock]

They rewrote AJB and AJF right

[muted crypt]

ohh

[shy hemlock]

i havent done those

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes and no

[mossy badge]

Nope

[shy hemlock]

after rewrite

[mossy badge]

Its still there

[sharp mango]

they havent touched that quest

[hybrid gazelle]

They only rrwrite beginning of ajb

[muted crypt]

post fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

And ending of ajf

[shy hemlock]

ok

[hybrid gazelle]

It still there

It jsut writer mistake

[muted crypt]

yea so the elements are still there

bru

[hybrid gazelle]

Ajb and ajf rework in

Uh

Uhhh

50 years

[bold geode]

dern 2058

[sharp mango]

how can they rework that so we’ll be able to defeat the geist

[hybrid gazelle]

Also this mean war is not element

[shy hemlock]

i have no mouth and i must expanse

[hybrid gazelle]

And weave is certainly not an element

Because wtf is weave as element

[mossy badge]

Who tf said that

[hybrid gazelle]

Like are you gonna use string to strangle some random mf?

[mossy badge]

lol

[shy hemlock]

weave is the elements

[sharp mango]

every element lowkey

[shy hemlock]

isnt it

[muted crypt]

weave is just mana isnt it

[mossy badge]

Ye

[hybrid gazelle]

Depend on your idea

We don’t know rn

[muted crypt]

the natural flow of elements we channel as mana

[shy hemlock]

i love weaving water into a billion crepuscular rays

[hybrid gazelle]

But for me personally the weave feel like reality itself

[bold geode]

weave is like, the structure of reality, comprised of the elements, which work sort of like threads that people can pull on to manipulate it, to my understanding

[hybrid gazelle]

Knowing that manaweaver like Sui describe magic as thread

[sharp mango]

string theory

[hybrid gazelle]

So the weave likely where the magic came from

And how Anathema herself saying how the weave could not bear her presence

So that why the rift open

[bold geode]

I reckon trashie still has me blocked

hated on lari too much

[hybrid gazelle]

And how two talk about how the prison cell is a dead zone in the weave

Or something

I gotta recheck that scene

[mossy badge]

I dont even know why he blocked me, seems he blocks every 2nd person

[hybrid gazelle]

But so far the Weaver heavily ties to magic

[bold geode]

just disagree with his ideas and you'll get that treatment

[mossy badge]

Some1 called out him yesterday for being mean and seeems he completely ignored it 😭

[bold geode]

like, iirc I got blocked for something I did in the past after mentioning it was cringe and had ceased doing it in the presence

and he went like "oh yeah i forgot, thanks for reminding me, I should block you"

Recounting phrased in hyperbolic fashion for dramatic effect, btw

[hybrid gazelle]

So yeah we have no concrete idea what the weave is

So I guess it just up to your conclusion

[mossy badge]

lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

But what we know that it definitely exclusively exist in plane of physicality

[bold geode]

but yk, the essence is contained truthfully within that statement

[hybrid gazelle]

Appearantsy there also stolen thread but like I do not quite get that

Maybe it take sometime to think about it

[signal bough]

I wonder if touching the corruption made visible by the weaver would have been dangerous if it was only revealing ambient amounts of it

[bold geode]

( for reference what I was doing was trying to argue the strength of characters based on gameplay which yeah, eww )

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly Yeha I do not really quite guess the weaver and corruption thing

[mossy badge]

Good question

[bold geode]

more than a year ago btw

[hybrid gazelle]

Like from what the cutscene imply to me

[bold geode]

or even 2

[hybrid gazelle]

That corruption always there

[mossy badge]

We should have touched it 🔥

[hybrid gazelle]

And weaver just make it visible

Holy shit me beast

[bold geode]

what happens when you

[mossy badge]

Yo big cenat

[hybrid gazelle]

<@&268142859327242242>

[bold geode]

death

[mossy badge]

It was kai cenat u very smart fella

[hybrid gazelle]

So yeah continue that

The weaver make it visible imply that it always theee

[bold geode]

as I was saying, what happens when you ask anathema to transfer her power, but you just die mid questline

[hybrid gazelle]

So my confusion is that if it always there, why is it dangerous to touch it now

[bold geode]

that's what woulda happened when touching the corruption

[mossy badge]

But as trashie saying, its always there

It just makes it visible

[bold geode]

because it's concentrated into a hellish little beam iirc

[signal bough]

we handle corrupted stuff very often as well

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay but fruma people been living in fruma

[bold geode]

maybe touching it has no actual effect and people are just scared, that's always option b

[hybrid gazelle]

Where corruption stuff lingering everywhere ever since they are born

So my question is that why is it dangerous now and do the queen jsut radiate corruption everywhere thst it just manage to reach mistwood?

Is she like fucking demo core that radiate corruption even it contain within her shell?

[vestal rivet]

Gikyo kinda referenced Rex to have magic, and she also kinda did in one of the Steelfeather quests I iirc? But she doesn't use, and Gikyo doesn't use it while mimicking her either. We have any idea what it is?

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause surely corruption jsut linger around would be bad thing right? Or is it not enough to be like what happen in Wynn

Or is the corruption spike rhat crucial for corruption formation

What are the spoke?

Cause my theory rn is that the corruption lingering in the air stuff is not really anything en befause there is no spike

[bold geode]

doesn't he literally use it to fire twain's arc

[mossy badge]

Wdym? Any ability she wanna learn

[signal bough]

sharpshooter spells from an outside view aren't the most magic-seeming

[mossy badge]

Sharpshooter stuff prolly

[signal bough]

bomb arrow- you fire a bomb arrow

[hybrid gazelle]

Which scene I kinda forgot

[bold geode]

Twain's arc, I am almost certain, is magic, considering it is a related to the twains

though arguably, unconventional magic

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it just

Rex habe capacity to learn magic it jsut that she refuse to do it

Which lessen her potential

[vestal rivet]

Gikyo says it's a shame she doesn't use it, and that her sharpshooting skills will just have to do while mimmicking her
and then in the training/demonstration thing she also says she sharpened her skills instead of using magic

[hybrid gazelle]

This is how I take the dialogue

[bold geode]

Since it does seem to scale with your physical strength

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh nvm

[vestal rivet]

and no the archetype magic is not canon

[hybrid gazelle]

They did said she doesbnotbuswbit

Honestly

[mossy badge]

Ppl literally use abilities from it

From the player's AT

[hybrid gazelle]

The fact that she does not use magic

[vestal rivet]

so any explanation that says "sharpshooter this" and "sharpshooter that" falls flat

[hybrid gazelle]

Imply whatever she has is useless in archery

[mossy badge]

Abilities are canon

[bold geode]

still, gikyo seems to use twarc as rex so idk+

[hybrid gazelle]

Which may explain why she does not use it

I don’t think she cursed tho but idk

I feel like that would brought up more

Maybe Gikyo mean it like

[bold geode]

cursed = literally just capable of magic and the fruma queen doesnt like you

[hybrid gazelle]

She could learn magic like Zeph but refuse to do so

[bold geode]

does trashie not know this

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[vestal rivet]

Classes are canon
Classes using magic is canon
Archetypes are expressedly not canon, and neither are the specific abilities besides maybe a couple general things like Mage heal spells and the such

ask literally any CT

[mossy badge]

Why do u say abilities can't be canon?

[bold geode]

Again I will here insist on gikyo clearly using a variant of twarc or twarclike spell as rex

assuming that even if the real version is not twain related and just, some sort of physical magic

there is some sort of spell like this

[mossy badge]

Damn cenat is spammin

[bold geode]

<@&268142859327242242>

oh

already gone

[hybrid gazelle]

Wait if rex use Twain arc would not imply she somehow learn magic of an old guy she never meant

Consider how the ability mode is literally named Twain arc

[warm flicker]

i just wanna be part of your wynnphony

[bold geode]

extra electron added to every atom in that guy's body

[hybrid gazelle]

No way Rex meet Mael theory

[vestal rivet]

another very obvious reason she can't just using Sharpshooter abilities besides the specific archetype stuff being strictly non-canon

[warm flicker]

no she learned it from a completely unrelated guy named twain

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf

No way

John Twain

[bold geode]

it doesn't need to mean she met the guy, the magic does not need to have canonically come from the twains

[hybrid gazelle]

Rex is Twain descendent theory

[bold geode]

especially considering this

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357685877542993/Smol_Ana.gif

[warm flicker]

chat is MAEL rex's brother???

[vestal rivet]

Caid is Mael!

[bold geode]

caid is rex's brother

[hybrid gazelle]

No fucking way it’s Meal come alive

[mossy badge]

I mean twain's shit is a concrete exception, but like surely she could learn crap ray

[hybrid gazelle]

Fuck I mean Mael

[warm flicker]

meal

[hybrid gazelle]

Mmmm yummy meal

Does this mean you that Rex got quarter of Bob power

If she learn her archery from Meal

If you think about it

Also I jsut gonna call him Meal

[vestal rivet]

again
specific abilities are made for gameplay purposes
NOT canon

[bold geode]

Like, rex is clearly capable of a twain's arc like spell, one that gikyo also mimics. I doubt though that it's actually twarc since archetypes are non-canon and there's no way she would have actually met a twain to teach her

[mossy badge]

It could be

[hybrid gazelle]

Rex upscale

[mossy badge]

Some npc abilities are in the AT

[vestal rivet]

her using an attack that resembles Twain's Arc does not mean that she was using magic

[hybrid gazelle]

This could explain why she can go toe to toe against Tasim

[signal bough]

I figured that twain's arc was a known spell that escaped the twains, probably due to Bob

bob uses it, bob teaches others to use it

[vestal rivet]

anyways my only theory was that she subconsciously was using magic to sharpen her archery skills
and that's the reason she was just straight up superhuman lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Rex is powerful as 1/4 bob which mean she can fight toe to toe with blessed Tasim

[muted crypt]

rex has magic she just doesnt see it as magic

[hybrid gazelle]

It all make sense

It all make totally sense

[bold geode]

how else do you explain a normal archer suddenly shooting a nigh-instant green death laser that is notably faster and more powerful than her normal bow attacks with no additional improvements or tech on her weapons

like ?????

[signal bough]

yeah same

[hybrid gazelle]

I fele like rex having magical innate would brought it up more because

Idk man I feel like

This could help Sui

But idk maybe Rex jsut girl boss like that

[mossy badge]

Magic denier

[warm flicker]

"mustve been the wind"

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/wind-uhhh-gif-24762680

[muted crypt]

it is. remember in training she can hit shots flawlessly just by imagining them hitting

[hybrid gazelle]

“Sorry Sui, I could reveal I am actually cursed too but I am too gangster so I might as well now be one”

[vestal rivet]

those are Sharpshooter abilities, not what Rex uses...???

[mossy badge]

lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay but she did say that shit was lucky shot

Wait

[bold geode]

I was talking about the attack gikyo uses while morphed as her

[hybrid gazelle]

I might have to rewatch that scene

[bold geode]

the "now dance for me" phase of the fight

[muted crypt]

the leaves each correspond to an element. rex is dex

or thunder

[bold geode]

gik mimics the magic of mora too

[warm flicker]

hate that phase, try to move but get one shot by gikyo-rex

[warm flicker]

is dex rex's brother??

[hybrid gazelle]

This is funny because Zeph is the air guy and despite agility being dog shit in fruma, he still alive

[mossy badge]

Bro figured it out

[hybrid gazelle]

While mora and syndra are dead

[mossy badge]

Finally we know the truth

[regal spire]

Zeph is Zephyr! Like air! Huhuhuhuh

[vestal rivet]

the "now dance with me" Rex sniper part of Gikyo's fight is the only thing that killed me outside of WE bosses and random mob swarms lol

[bold geode]

what I'm saying is that gikyo rex literally does this and it makes no sense if it isn't gik mimicing her magic

[regal spire]

Syndra! Like Singe!

Like fire!

[muted crypt]

yulie says “are you sure thats not magic? you hit those shots without ever even practicing before”

rex says “i just picture them hitting in my head and they do”

[hybrid gazelle]

Amazing

[vestal rivet]

this is the line that made me think this yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay but

What if she is just that good

[bold geode]

(it's caid...)

[warm flicker]

mora! like Moria, where the dwarves dug greedily and deeply

[hybrid gazelle]

Hear me out

[muted crypt]

she doesnt even practice tho

[hybrid gazelle]

What if she is just that good

[muted crypt]

she just can do that

[hybrid gazelle]

Well yeah but what if she you know

[muted crypt]

it’s obviously innate to her

[hybrid gazelle]

Just thst really good

[muted crypt]

id say theres more evidence for rex having magic than her not

[vestal rivet]

superhuman skill to do that
to the point that it's unusual for even Wynncraft

[warm flicker]

she just built like that

[vestal rivet]

we have a small handful of lines

[hybrid gazelle]

She literally refuse to use magic and still go toe to toe with blessed Tasim

[vestal rivet]

that's it

[hybrid gazelle]

She literally cracked

Like

wtf girl

[warm flicker]

having dex as her brother gives her that ability ig

[muted crypt]

my biggest piece of evidence is that each leaves member has an element. syndra has fire magic. sui water. mora earth. zeph air.

[hybrid gazelle]

Taism getting the time of humiliation

[muted crypt]

so what does that make rex?

[signal bough]

surely the class magic isn't as easy as just using a cool weapon a lot

[bold geode]

Gikyo Rex's now dance phase is just not something that can be done without some sort of magic so I'm convinced Rex is capable of a spell similar to how twains arc functions, even if it is not twain's arc canonically or related to the twains at all

[muted crypt]

thunder, or dex, aka critical hits

rex’s specialty

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf you mean that I can’t shit out corruption spike when I pick up a spear

[muted crypt]

if anything her name even sounds like dex

[hybrid gazelle]

If you think about it, you are giving your enemies super cancer by using fallen’s ult

[vestal rivet]

Rex just has superhuman precision in movement and perceptive abilities
may or may not be a subconscious magic upgrade

[regal spire]

So,
Rex=Dex
Zeph=Zephyr=Air=Agility
Syndra=Singe=Fire=Defense
Mora=Scandinavian Coast/Land meeting Water=Earth=Strength
Sui=literally means water 😭=Intel

[muted crypt]

exactly

[signal bough]

Rex is I think the only example of someone learning without intending to

[bold geode]

yes

[warm flicker]

rex is actually her nickname, her full name is Carolus Rex, King of Sweden

[regal spire]

Lmao, Mora and Sui are siblings

[muted crypt]

Rexavious Johnson

[regal spire]

The Mora meets the Sui

[hybrid gazelle]

If writers were smart, they would have zeph die to reference how dog shit air become in fruma

Or maybe zeph just that good

[bold geode]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe zeph just thst good he find a good air build for TWP raid

[regal spire]

Clearly, you do not use MT

[bold geode]

maybe trashie having blocked me is a good thing

[vestal rivet]

oh yeah
air meta in fruma I didn't pay attention to it

[regal spire]

TWA still hella, and so is TWFA

[pine flower]

oh so when rex locks in shell be using thunder

[vestal rivet]

kinda ded?

[bold geode]

air shot dead

[muted crypt]

I mean it would just not really fit if every leaves member had innate elemental magic but thunder was left out

[bold geode]

air only viable due to halcyon and revo

[hybrid gazelle]

I also don’t really pay attention to air meta but anyone I see using end just fucking die

[vestal rivet]

stratiformis sharp too ig

[regal spire]

Rex ain’t so Dex no more. Should call her Recked

[hybrid gazelle]

idk probably just bias

[pine flower]

is this the real reason why he (zeph) got captured?

[bold geode]

ascended strati sharp*
Acrosharp?
Sharpcrobat?

[hybrid gazelle]

Look at my team dawg, they focus on one element 😭

[pine flower]

!!!!! 💡

[vestal rivet]

and yeah the fact we got no followup after Apotheosis with ANY of the characters excluding Tasim is a little insane given the situations we left everything in

[hybrid gazelle]

No wonder why syndra did not kill the queen

She has 0 damage item

[bold geode]

Hey, I managed to kill the queen with a 0 damage item!

[pine flower]

maybe theyre all just hiding behind the rune locked door

[regal spire]

How tf you gonna go F exclusively 😭

[muted crypt]

i wonder if an apotheosis completion will be required for the next quest considering it will likely start directly after

like ig it makes sense to not require NoL completion for fruma bc of the 70 level gap

[regal spire]

Actually, hang on, there are a lot of fire slop items. Syndra might be on to something

[muted crypt]

so it’s just assumed youve done nol by then

[bold geode]

(😭)

[muted crypt]

but lots of ppl wait till max level to even start raiding

quests should start requiring these raid completions if theyre gonna be used as plot points

[regal spire]

Syndra hasn’t done one raid

[muted crypt]

would be hilarious if u can pick up the next quest without finishing apotheosis

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay but it would be really funny if we can do fruma epliogue while the rift still open

[regal spire]

Washed away much?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yuliebtalking about how he going to give the worker 1 day break per week while the rift raining hellfire

[vestal rivet]

Zhiraok is the only real candidate remaining for taking over Fruma
Soosu also exists ig but she is by no means a leader, she is an inventor
Rex made being a non-magic archer part of her identity but lost and arm and can no longer do that
Sui is still kinda mentally unstable
Zeph... ok Zeph probably made it out alright
The aftermath in Aelumia too, with the Canopy as well

like

so much is still on the table here

[light zealot]

I must say, the sequence in Echoes of Change where Yuman and Zeph fought against the Gendarme was awesome

[solid ibex]

Epilogue most likely gonna be added in a later update, maybe along with wastelands since thats what makes fruma not complete yet

[pine flower]

they really just fought her as a duo with 0 raid experience

[hybrid gazelle]

Guys

I think I miss the queen

[regal spire]

Zeph had gay thoughts to keep him grounded ngl

Heh, “grounded”

Cause he’s air

[hybrid gazelle]

Do we really want Zeph to be a leader

Like

This is not even slander

But like

[solid ibex]

fuck nah

[bold geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/769389893071536148/1071231790464905236/image_1.gif

[hybrid gazelle]

Look at him

Do you want him to be a leader

[regal spire]

Zhiraok is clearly the best candidate

[muted crypt]

Sui new queen

[vestal rivet]

plot twist
we were originally going to actually break into the Deraj and that was going to be part of the questline, to free the Steelfeather survivors

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui is like

[bold geode]

Zhiraok is clearly the only valid candidate

[vestal rivet]

never said I wanted him to be leader :/

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably worse candidate than Zeph

Somehow

[vestal rivet]

I said Zhiraok was the only remaining candidate

[muted crypt]

zhiraok hates his responsibilities

[pine flower]

that one guy i cant remember the name of who you meet at aledars grave

[solid ibex]

we'll see how the addition of wastelands changes things

[muted crypt]

I doubt he’d want to continue being a leader

[bold geode]

yeah but he also cares

[muted crypt]

maybe soosu since she wanted to benefit everyone

[vestal rivet]

He didn't hate being a leader so much as he hated the other leaders

[atomic hamlet]

Can we not get a literal autocrat for our post-revolution government

[hybrid gazelle]

Sohso rolling up with no protrait

[solid ibex]

i think it'll be too much for him LMFAO

[atomic hamlet]

This is like bringing the Kaiser back after the Nazis

[pine flower]

nothing bad has ever come of overworking that guy, we'll be fine

[vestal rivet]

who else do we even have as an option

[bold geode]

soosu and z teaming up to lead fruma 🥰

[atomic hamlet]

Democracy

[regal spire]

He hates them because they’re tied to his fight to redeem his family’s name. I’m sure he’d care a lot more about his job if it didn’t mean his entire lineage would crumble (also, no Thalas Majin to literally make his job harder)

[muted crypt]

Croaquin

[bold geode]

😭 you did not need to do him dirty like that

[vestal rivet]

amongst the scattered, divided regions with minimal contact with one another
while the royal guard and one sovereign is still around
I don't think this will happen soon

[solid ibex]

although id want this to happen, another part of me tells me that the rebels wont let that happen

[atomic hamlet]

Zhiraok at least has the benefit of caring for the Fruman people but the whole idea of a revolution is overthrowing the king

[vestal rivet]

Zhiraok is
legit
the only viable candidate currently who would also be remotely close to willing to actually taking the mantle

[bold geode]

let's get gale from the hive to resume her position that she hated but with even more pressure and responsibilities /j btw if you couldn't tell

[solid ibex]

id like to see more gale content tho

[signal bough]

Azael would be funny

[pine flower]

my vote is for bleeding rose, love that guy's campaign goals

[muted crypt]

a changeling 😭

[atomic hamlet]

Wynncraft players when they talk about the natural right of kings ingame versus when a totalitarian leader actually takes power in real life

[regal spire]

Soosu isn’t a good leader, imo, but she’s a great manager/engineer/architect. She could run the industrial district alot better, if it wasn’t so modeled to hurt their people, because she could work on innovating a cleaner, easier to use system of machinery (one that doesn’t require hundreds of hours worth of slave labor to use)

[hybrid gazelle]

I think new fruma would be council

[muted crypt]

Sui will be forced into a leadership position

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think it will be singular leader lol

[solid ibex]

like corkus

yeah i think that feels more healthy too

[signal bough]

I think he's actually the top resistance candidate

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeha like corkus

[muted crypt]

but hes a changeling

[solid ibex]

hes a changeling, and i doubt he would accept such a position

[bold geode]

ok but that'd be funny

[vestal rivet]

Soosu can't lead
the Leaves in the Wind can't either
the Canopy is a maybe, as most of them expressed have no interest in leading once the resistance ends
Leaves the Quill of the Steelfeather to be maybe willing, but I heavily doubt he'd be capable of leading an area larger than say the Roughworks

[hybrid gazelle]

With representation from Espren, Timesca, Hyloch, and Aleumia

Maybe Aldwell

[bold geode]

controversy comes up, he passes the position to his "successor"

We do

a little trolling

https://tenor.com/view/gremlin-cat-goblin-cat-weird-cat-uncomfortable-cat-gif-27024610

[signal bough]

Rurie doesn't want to become a politician, Cileon isn't good with words, maybe Fuhue, but then Azael is the leader of the group

[atomic hamlet]

Wynn players talking about how fantasy racism is completely fair versus when actual racism happens

[hybrid gazelle]

Golden taism

[signal bough]

Quill would be a good one

[vestal rivet]

ok
I foresee Zhiraok being the new head honcho with Azael, Quill, and maybe some other allies (Bleeding Rose?) helping keep relative order in their respective regions

[solid ibex]

Mistwoods needs some representation lmao, its an area that i feel like is neglected by the fruma government besides the presence of gikyo and the changeling shenanigans

[pine flower]

atp lets just make qira the new queen

[regal spire]

It’s always kinda been a council. You’ve had multiple representatives of a single person use different tactics to run a district. However, a council of people willing to work together (instead of petty Majin, Sociopathic Gikyo, Twho are you, and somber, manipulated soosu) would be a far better approach

[hybrid gazelle]

I will be real man I think here reason why it neglected

There literal dinosaur in there

[signal bough]

Azael is technically a unifying figure

[vestal rivet]

yeah I kinda forgot about him?

[hybrid gazelle]

Would not tjis give qira a power boost because she would have all the slavers

[atomic hamlet]

Having a single leader taking control of an entire province with disparate regions and cultures and economic structures is literally the reason why those regions tend to suck in their current state

[vestal rivet]

and he never showed disinterest like Rurie and Cileon did

[solid ibex]

that didnt stop auburn and erm whatever the fuck that wood lookin giraffe

[whole river]

I assume wastelands will go into it but I imagine there’s still pockets of royalist resistance given she’s been worshipped as a god for so long with people

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah fair enough

[pine flower]

not sure what you just said, but yes 👍

[bold geode]

that thing is HORRIFYING

[regal spire]

The Mistwoods are kinda just their own thing. They were never governed, anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean would not tjis give qira a power boost because she would have all fruman as her slaves

[vestal rivet]

Zhiraok is necessary in part because of this
he still has ties to the old crown in the public perceptions

[mossy badge]

Isn't it a deer 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude what if we get to Dern and Qira use her slave to create slavemobile so we can navigate Dern with it

[pine flower]

yeah im down for a stronger qira

[solid ibex]

i dont really know anymore

its just a weird thing

that makes deep dark noises

[regal spire]

Fruma is gonna be a wreck for a while. Aelumia alone is gonna be a mess to handle, and the wastelands still has tons of sympathizers

[whole river]

Maybe the last sovereign (no not tasim) could feasibly lead the royalists as the remaining “loyal sovereign”

[solid ibex]

the sculk sensor sound iirc

[bold geode]

least unhinged trashie message

[regal spire]

Espren will be okay, though

[muted crypt]

i mean how do we know they sympathize

[whole river]

Cuz regardless of what the other sovereigns say, soldiers saw zhiraok betray the queen

[regal spire]

Oru has worked with her majesty for 500 years

[muted crypt]

yea but wastelands was built on a bulldozed civilization

[drifting aurora]

?

[vestal rivet]

Zhiraok is in a pretty interesting position here
the rebellions tolerate him
the loyalists probably don't know about the betrayal and will continue to work for the last remaining publicly seen sovereign

[regal spire]

I wouldn’t doubt that tons of royalists are hiding there now

[summer bluff]

Hate on gikyo all you want but they've been in charge of their district longer than all the others (except oru)

[muted crypt]

we think rex has magic and simply denies it because her supernatural bow abilities

[regal spire]

Gikyo was a tool

[signal bough]

Gikyo was the owl clan leader iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude why the fuck am I only one getting notice, wveryone else talking about rex having magic innate

[regal spire]

They just sorta have their own system that’s separate of the crown, though

[summer bluff]

Takes one to know one

[solid ibex]

Zhiraok has to stand with the rebels for some convincing, or at least the newspaper outlets handle that

[hybrid gazelle]

I was like asking if “hey I mean that could happen but feel like it would have brought up more”

[vestal rivet]

the the chaos it may be drowned out
with WTP, all of the witnesses that besides a few Hyloch citizens are likely just dead

[signal bough]

it is, but the crown did control that system

[regal spire]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-break-sink-mirror-high-ticket-attractions-gif-14311924

[bold geode]

I find it kinda shocking how trashie still talks somewhat broken english despite being around english-speaking spaces for so damn long

[vestal rivet]

yes but actually no???
a Changeling IS in charge of them, but the Changeling done did defected and may as well be a rogue agent

[signal bough]

Gikyo???

[vestal rivet]

hey it just takes a little bit of interpretting sometimes...

[vestal rivet]

Azael

[signal bough]

oh

yeah this is past

[summer bluff]

I aint gonna correct him when he gets his point across

[regal spire]

Their involvement seemed more intense back then, but they’ve sorta just been delegated a “testing facility” for changelings. Not even limited to Fort Hegea; their effectiveness is basically trained to see how well they can assimilate into a society, and weed them out

2 Aldwell citizens one stone fr

[bold geode]

It genuinely makes him hard to understand sometimes ngl so yeah, idk

[signal bough]

after first wicker's spark Azael undermined Gikyo's rule among the clans and managed to fully separate

[muted crypt]

i feel like Her Majesty just sorta lets Gikyo do whatever. he’s too weird for anyone outside of the Mistwoods to see

[summer bluff]

Well then I'm shrimply built different
You do it if it annoys you that much

[bold geode]

I'm not saying anyone should be corrected btw, I was just noticing

[signal bough]

but Gikyo was the owl clan head and sovereign for a time

[muted crypt]

and the rest of fruma obviously doesnt seem to know about changelings

[regal spire]

Also, it’s interesting that Giky seems to imply they did not choose their name

[vestal rivet]

making Gikyo a known Changeling definitely helped
I am a little confused as to why Gikyo never spilled the beans about Azael though