📚lore_discussion

[signal bough]

its clear that we don't get much of Aelumia

those tight streets would be perfect for barricades

hey we get barricades in Hyloch

were there possibly riots prior to the final 'festival'?

in Hyloch

ughhh I want more Aelumia

every other city in fruma has some side quest

[regal spire]

Boss altar is the best you’re getting rn

And 3 WE’s

[signal bough]

maybe once we get lvl 120+ content...

[regal spire]

Epilogue quest oughta fix this

[cedar kernel]

Could AC locations be added to a Lootrun I wonder

[marble lantern]

With the Lighthouse? I think not.

[cedar kernel]

If somehow lighthouse being cleared could be a req you could maybe see it

[marble lantern]

i hate the beam of death and despair

[signal bough]

go kill the sun judge

surely there's some nut using the lighthouse as an xp farm rn

[quartz cobalt]

I already said this in the soundtrack thread but I thought people here might find it also interesting. Spent some time drilling Tasims boss theme into my head and found that in "The Butterfly Effect" at 1:40 you can hear a section of "What Will be Done" specifically 2:05. Not much lore to be gained from it, but I love the direction the soundtrack team is going with these leitmotifs. Combined with the resistance theme at the end, it really makes you feel like youre finally at the end of a great journey with everyone at your side. Peak storytelling 🙌

[dim plover]

Anyways working on that gif was fun I guess

Now that that's over I can turn my focus to

uh

other things

[frozen turtle]

Where is gif

[split night]

does anyone like

have a picture of mora

i need to draw him

[dim plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296377212939010050/1500655888086863893/confession.gif?ex=69f93a34&is=69f7e8b4&hm=d64f2e236e6f5001db995532d3cb0cc74298bcf5a8cdfc43869b7e801672ffdd

[frozen turtle]

POLY IS JOLLY

[supple walrus]

Why is that gif so well made XD

[frozen turtle]

its real

[supple walrus]

Soosu just casually holding the adoption form XD

[supple walrus]

I definitely didn’t grind 1 level in lighthouse *cough*

[dim plover]

I could make that exact scene in-game if you pay me

[split night]

1stx LE

[dim plover]

I technically did the gif above for fun but someone would've needed to pay me more than 10 stacks for that

[split night]

how long did it took you to do it xd

[dim plover]

Like, the modeling and animation itself is already a handful but the dialogue system took weeks

and the rest of the UI took months

And I would kinda want compensation for those if I were to actually produce commissions because those are a pain

The UI's all dynamic and fully functional btw

[split night]

do you have a picture of like, Mora

im trying to draw the 5 mask and Mora is next

[dim plover]

Wait does the wiki not have it

I guess I can find the skin

Actually wait can't you use YT footage if you need a visual reference for him

[split night]

wiki don't have img for like, several characters rn

[dim plover]

Oh right just added new stuff to that one image of no specific thing in particular

[frozen turtle]

what is this a map of

[dim plover]

map?

[frozen turtle]

is that not a map

[dim plover]

idk

[split night]

we got cookie land, ketchup, pink thing, mustard and green

[drifting aurora]

bloomi

[hot timber]

are these canon

[mossy badge]

Yes

🤯

[hot timber]

the never gonna give you up lyrics make me think no but there's also one talking about pi which would be interesting if the frumans knew about it

i see

[mossy badge]

Frumans invented rickroll 5000 years ago 🙏

[limber swan]

how do you even pronounce ETLRAKSH

is the T silent?

or is the L?

[supple walrus]

I’m pretty sure ‘etl’ is a prefix meaning ‘our’

So I pronounce it seperately from the word

Idk trying to speak tahkashtel just makes you sound like you’re having a brain aneurysm

[frozen turtle]

ee-tell-rah-kuh-shhh

im joking idk anything

except that Troms = Trofmas

[supple walrus]

Also

Ragni = Rakshiniv

Raksh = command and niv = nii

[frozen turtle]

Trofmas = Craftmas

[supple walrus]

Neat

Idk I haven’t really interacted with too many people in the tahkashtel decoding thread

I’ve just been doing my own thing off in the corner bc I’m socially awkward

[drifting aurora]

nah theyre from a banner img touhoku made for the purposes of translating

its not actually in game

[hot timber]

o ok

[full jackal]

Ohhhh you meant Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[regal spire]

Lmao

6 hours to ruminate type shi

[full jackal]

Wait no 💀

This is off-topic but I just was looking through my old sketchbooks and saw my old wynncraft art when I was literally 9

I don't think i've ever felt more disgusted at myself

[full jackal]

So, has all of Tahkashtel been deciphered yet, or is there still quite a bit yet to translate

[full jackal]

I think l is it's own syllable like in "ketTLE"

So like /etl̩rakʃ/

[full jackal]

It's hard to see but there's a dot below the l

[full jackal]

gee it sure is quiet over here

[shy hemlock]

did yall for real make a new language to frume

to frume it

[summer bluff]

They like to frum it frum it

[unique cedar]

A cool idea is a quest where we enroll into the aelumnia university

to get some info I guess

[exotic bough]

isnt there already grookwarts

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeha thst just Grookwart but

Better

[icy juniper]

okay so Wynncraft exists on a planet because they have a solar system model, so do other provinces exist or do they technically exist but they're not in cannon until they're built

[paper wyvern]

presumably the planet is larger than what we see in game its just we arent ever getting info

[icy juniper]

or is fruma literally on the edge of the world and over the mountain is gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know

It left ambiguous

[icy juniper]

oh alright

[hybrid gazelle]

Likely open for future expansion if ct waned to

[young dock]

Planet Bloomi

[icy juniper]

I wish there were loose threads of exterior provinces that they could follow up on whenever they wanted but I guess it makes more sense to only do the gameplay areas

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s mmorpg

They likely will expand later for future storyline

At least if they still using the same map

[paper wyvern]

as much as that would be cool fruma has been hinted at since like gavel and was only added now id rateher leave it till the current storyline is done

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

Too much going on will be information overloading

I would not even mind if the new storyline come with its own map like monuments

Like world 2 or something

I think current wynncraft map just so messy from both gameplay and lore wise

That I prefer statt fresh for new storyline

[craggy stirrup]

I see why some of y'all like Rex

[icy juniper]

yeah thats fair enough just feels a tiny bit of a letdown that theres not other entire civilizations with looser lore

[young dock]

I would treat it like how Octopath2 treats it, acknowledges it while understanding that our story is set in these three current provinces

[icy juniper]

it makes it feel a tiny bit small but it makes complete sense why

[icy juniper]

I mean the entire plane of influence matters because all 3 sides want to take over it

[hybrid gazelle]

Also we know otjer realms exist

But they are not important rn

[paper wyvern]

the slime pocket dimension

[icy juniper]

oh thats cool

are there any physical signs of corruption in Fruma?

[mossy badge]

Dont think

[paper wyvern]

only ||in the raid||

[mossy badge]

Its all metaphysical

[mossy badge]

I wish the ocean mountain range would be removed and it'd br just a barrier wall with the ocean continuing in render distance

[spring kernel]

you can't put barriers in water

[mossy badge]

Ok? Just have a 1 block barrier wall in place of the water 🤯

[clear scaffold]

wait gale's from fruma?

[spring kernel]

She is an ancestor of zhiraok

[clear scaffold]

... so that's where zhairok got his badassness from

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah to be fair I think that like

Family line

[clear scaffold]

honest zhariok being as agile as gale makes perfect sense

(also finally a good noble person from fruma and we didn't even know it for years)

[spring kernel]

There's a secret discovery about gale

[clear scaffold]

oh yeah i'm doing it now

(i need exp badly and the only world events i haven't done are actually hell)

[hybrid gazelle]

To be fair zhiraok agility just came from him able to fasten his own time

[clear scaffold]

probably was already agile though

[mossy badge]

Does it have to do with an archer? 🗣️

[clear scaffold]

autumn poachers, glacial training, tree top cradle fossil fighters and patrolling soldiers

those five world events are banes of my existence.

[mossy badge]

I guessed glacial training then

[clear scaffold]

yeah glacial training is just.. weird.

feels like the boss has way too much health for a world event with how his strong attack is borderline instant and can one shot.

[mossy badge]

W balancing

[clear scaffold]

and then tree top cradle is just too small, patrolling soldiers gets populated way too much for my liking, fossil fighters i think i'm just bad at and autumn poachers yeah i hate stuns xD

[mossy badge]

Tbf gale might only be agile cuz she's a ghost, if she would have gotten a blessing it might have been smth else but who knows

Would be.. interesting if every1 in their family would just be about speed lol

[clear scaffold]

honestly reading the diary, kinda makes me like gale more

like a "yeah she'd so be besties with the player like a extravert adopting the introvert" style

[uneven basin]

Consider that would be boring

[mossy badge]

Why?

[uneven basin]

There's a sense of wonder exploring "uncharted" moutains in the least travelled reaches of the map there just isn't if we replace them with just water

[mossy badge]

I see, i just think what i said would be cool cuz the ocean would feel bigger and not a small enclosed sea lmao

True tho that the border mountains have some interesting stuff

[marble lantern]

I wonder if its possible to survive [WTP Spoiler] ||Anathema's Blessing at the end of WTP||. Got a funny death message so it was worth it lol.

[mossy badge]

Dont think

[mossy widget]

only ||mr. bakal|| ☝️

[bitter cedar]

I mean there are builds that have like 1mil ehp, so maybe

if it does true dmg then no

[regal spire]

If you sneak in 25 bigmacs and 25 reso acos, maybe you can out overheal the true damage

[bitter cedar]

true damage ignores defense and dodge, idk if it would matter. I guess it depends how much true damage it actually is

maybe with like the bonfire totem, Big Mac and Aco reso you could do it?

[regal spire]

I assumed that it just increased the frequency

If it goes to a flat 100%, then yeah, we doomed

But, if it’s still tiny enough increments, maybe we can save ourselves

[bitter cedar]

if its anything less then 100% of your hp as true damage im sure its possible

[atomic hamlet]

How much EHP did Ba'kal have to tank that while barely alive

[regal spire]

He didn’t take all of it

It was her first attempt at “ascending” a sovereign ig

She utterly failed fr, because she was desperate to save their life

[rustic nexus]

I just realized, shouldn't this be 50RA?

cause of this

[regal spire]

I forgot which one happened first ngl

[round wraith]

RA, KA, NA, IA

[regal spire]

I thought it went NA to KA to RA to IA

Uh oh

[round wraith]

NA first 🤔

is that true

[regal spire]

New age = the start of the new dynasty

I might’ve completely fucking misread them

[round wraith]

lol

NA is after the auburn flood

[hexed birch]

The new age is just new

Product as advertised

[round wraith]

RA is royal = new dynasty

[regal spire]

I mixed them up, it seems

Let me redo that

[regal spire]

RA, KA, NA, IA

[round wraith]

but it should be RA

[rustic nexus]

yea it should be RA

unless auburn absinthe needs like 300 years to age

which I highly doubt

[hexed birch]

Maybe thats why it tastes like shit 🤔

[rustic nexus]

also yeah, I did not remember this line but it basically confirms what croaquin is

[rustic nexus]

perchance

[regal spire]

You never know. It’s certainly a stank ass brew

Also, since a changeling can basically be anything, like an anthro smoking alcoholic talking frog from the Bronx, where are the changeling concubines

[round wraith]

woah what

thats cool

[rustic nexus]

croaquin is a changeling yeah

forgot this line exists

which basically confirms it

[round wraith]

why does he spend all his time as a frog

u dont think the soup of life can just create other things

[main dust]

Because it's seggsy

[rustic nexus]

there's a document in fort hegea that explains it

[round wraith]

ive read project hallowground

and i still pose the question above

[rustic nexus]

it's not in project hallowground

[regal spire]

Seems Croaquin has had the ole inquisitor treatment

[rustic nexus]

well, inquisitors are the ones who pay him

[regal spire]

And they keep an eye on them—also get them drunk af—to keep them in a single form

[rustic nexus]

still dunno why they pay him to scare off people though

[regal spire]

Force then into one place, while also giving them no chance to adapt to a new environment and potentially break whatever block they put on them from changing

[rustic nexus]

did no one read every document in fort hegea or something

changelings sometimes just. stick to one form

[exotic bough]

It’s the most advantageous form to take

[regal spire]

The problem is that Croaquin has zero clue what they are

[rustic nexus]

and they lose their value as spies once they've stuck to one form

[exotic bough]

His memory could’ve been wiped while being relocated

[rustic nexus]

I'm not denying that maybe inquisitors were at play for his memories

yea

[regal spire]

It’s likely that, because Idt you wanna risk anymore changelings pulling and Azael

[rustic nexus]

but I still don't get why he's given the job of warding away people from the swamp

[round wraith]

there is a reason.

[rustic nexus]

there is a reason for it

[exotic bough]

^ for it

[regal spire]

My theory is still to force people away from that area—for one—and to keep Croaquin in a single area. Superstitions and folklore builds culture, and scares the people around Auburn into one life, while also limiting Croaquin from being able to adapt outside of their forced confinement

[round wraith]

i was doing slang

there is a reason is slang for there is a reason for it

if youre just joinin the stream

[exotic bough]

The what

[main dust]

This person is very correct.

[round wraith]

question: why does he ward people away from the swamp?
"my theory is that he does this to ward people away"

[main dust]

Even without confirmation, understanding the disparity between the districts gives a very broad showcase of the culture of the Auburner's - it's very... rural.

It enforces a status quo - The Auburner's live a very, very idyllic life that is surrounded by the fact they are the poorest of the nation.

[regal spire]

Not to mention that, if they give Croaquin a home, a purpose, and something to look forward to, they won’t just up and leave, and then stir panic, or alleviate that cultural norm, and start potentially working together again. They need something there to stop people from risking hiding in the bog, too

[regal spire]

That’s the first sentence, dope

[round wraith]

is it though? there are barely any houses that arent grouped into a town. theres zero agriculture

[round wraith]

why not just kill the changeling tho

this seems like a job, not a "keep this guy busy"

[rustic nexus]

huh

[regal spire]

Because then it doesn’t do anything, and you don’t have a scary folk monster to scare cursed, revolutionaries, etc from living in the damn dirty bog

[round wraith]

again

youre not answering (because you and i and no one knows) WHY they need to scare people from being in the bog

i doubt people would move there, its just about exploring

[regal spire]

I just told you, so no one goes there. That’s it. It’s an annoying place to explore, and it’s easy to hide in it

[round wraith]

youre just repeating that they need something to scare ppl

[round wraith]

im fucking dead

[rustic nexus]

I originally speculated that the deep parts of the bog are close to the wellsprings of eternity

but like

[main dust]

Hang on, I'll type something more expansive for you, I genuienly want to help here.

[rustic nexus]

you'd need to climb a fucking cliff

[round wraith]

can someone tell me im not going crazy here

[rustic nexus]

you're not

[regal spire]

You are, because you’re asking the same damn question 😭 your answer is already in-game

[round wraith]

you havent answered the damn question

you just keep repeating "there is a reason for it"

[rustic nexus]

"answer is in the game" IT'S NOT 😭

[regal spire]

I’ve given you 5 reasons

[rustic nexus]

WE DON'T KNOW WHY HE GUARDS THE BOG

[round wraith]

list them

list 5

"1. to scare people out of the bog"

[rustic nexus]

I don't think the crown/inquisitors really care to give a scary boogeyman for culture to be shaped around

so I doubt it's that

keeping a changeling in place would make sense, but then like

why the bog

[regal spire]

It literally is, though. He “guards it” to 1) scare people away from living there, because it’s already dangerous
2) to keep cursed, revolutionaries, etc from hiding out there and making bases
3) to instill a folklore built into the population to be afraid of exploring beyond set boundaries
4) to not waste any changelings (they have a finite supply)
5) context clues from there

[rustic nexus]

and why give them the order to scare people away

just put him in a prison cell

[round wraith]

right? if anything, they are explicitly stated to NOT want culture to form in auburn because it turns into unity and solidarity and rebellion

[round wraith]

holy prediction

im tha goat

[regal spire]

What is wrong with you 😭

[round wraith]

too bad i edited it to put the quote marks so now it just looks like i wrote that afterwards

[rustic nexus]

1- people aready live in the bog
2- doesn't work, world event and world discovery text tells us cursed still reside there

[regal spire]

It’s to dissuade regardless. 3 cursed living there is not evidence for it not working on the 1000 others that might’ve wanted to try

[rustic nexus]

MISTER BEEAAST

no way

anyway

one thing I has a thought about

[rustic nexus]

I just realzied point 3 might have some merit, but not for the reason you gave

to make a crown approved culture to the people of auburn

so they don't form some culture like the one that was removed

demolishing what came before, building what they want in place of it

it's already something we know of happening

[round wraith]

1. there is nothing more dangerous in the bog that isnt in the woods already. auburn's residents are used to dealing with the wild animals they share a forest with. Stop bringing up this point it's incorrect
2. cursed already live in the bog, so this is also an incorrect reason
3. there is no reason for the crown to want to "instill a folklore," unless you want to try and provide a reasoning
4. to not "waste" a changeling so they give up one of their changelings to perform a useless task? until you or someone can provide an actual reason to have him here, this point isn't doing anything
5. lol

[rustic nexus]

with the temple that was demolished and in its place fort torann was built

[regal spire]

I got work rn, but I’ll be back to not argue with this later

[rustic nexus]

but then like... another question

why did the inquisitors stop paying croaquin

😭

I'M GONNA NUKE THIS STUPID FROG

[round wraith]

im curious whats different, then, between old auburn and new auburn culture. since it seems like the crown still celebrates the aspects of auburn that they can commodify during the festivals

[rustic nexus]

from what little we can pick out, I think the old auburn culture was more closer tied to old fruma and the cursed

like that one settlement from remains of the cursed

it made the people want to be free and unoppressed

especially given a thalas was the sovereign around the end of that culture

and knowing the current thalas...

and given that the queen specifically says "erasing their gods, destroying their monuments"

it definitely feels like that culture stood opposed to her rule

so to delete it and then plant a new one in its place

one that is approved by the crown, one that wards off the population to keep them from exploring

I guess it makes sense?

[main dust]

It's not about the bog itself - The bog doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, it's a part of a forest that just looks bad as a result of either the Wellspring of Eternity's impact (let's also acknowledge that the Wellspring is an Immortality Juice and that could imply that it's 'draining' the area around it) or a result of the giant tree just south of the bog being a split tree, half of it could be implied dead due to the fact it's split down the middle and the source of roots to help provide the bog's trees with nutrients is effectively null and void.

I think it could be multiple things or all at once.

One.
I think it could be a resulting fact that keeping an area that is kept together very poorly and spinning it into a culture rumour/story because even though it doesn't matter that the bog isn't important, it does matter that the people make up silly stories - the Crown and it's districts are formatted in a way that prevents rebellions from forming and when they do they fail, very, very badly - the best way was done by the Corkian's because they chose to run away with brains, not brawn face forward at the crown itself.

The Auburner's live a specifically idyllic life where in which their wealth disparity between the Highlander's and even the Roughworks citizens (and I am a certified user of Roughworks and not Industrial District fuck the rich), they live in that cottage town with only say a hundred people where kids grow up to see the beautiful, stunning castle above them shining with how proud they should be of their country - it's not a goal of many of them to aspire to be further up in the nation's districts but it's one that wishful thinking let's them think sometimes.
Think during Blossom of Blades, if you interacted with the citizens during some festival prep sections you meet an Espren citizen, he saved all his money for all those however long just to get to the most expensive place in the nation and he said he couldn't even afford a hotel.
That's what people in Auburn can afford after years - a view.

Their culture is simple.
It's idyllically simple, they've got spas - they're effectively a tourist attraction for the rich to visit.

Bringing kids up in a place like that needs a culture of simplism to go with it and a story like the 'Scary Bog Frog' is an actual form of social simplism that has been used in societies as a means to make kids grow up stupid - grow up beliving in the whimsical and to never fight against something, don't be too brave to enter the bog or you will be brave enough to face the crown.
The citizens themselves and their biggest 'opinion' is that the oldies liked the old sovereign and think Zhiraok is 'too young' 'too in people's busniesses' - and I'm speaking about recent Auburn culture.

Think the Mistwoods, the Wickerman Festival is for kids to learn about killing Changeling's, it's for the adults to show how nice it is to burn that thing and tell them the stories about never letting anyone who acts remotely.... literally autistic (Which I am.) to being exiled or treated as the 'Changeling' like we had to choose in Celebration of Smoke and the whole point is to perpetuate a status quo where they care more about killing every Changeling (who are forcibly taken from their source home to become literally groomed spies for the nation) then dealing with the crown head on like Syndra's team is willing to do with protag's power - The Canopy isn't powerful at all, the best they do is climate activism and that's because Aldwell is too busy killing Changeling's to be willing to think past the monsters the Crown made for them to be scared of.

The Bog keeps the status quo, it keeps the simplism that they want.

And the second theory which I think counts too.
The Wellspring of Eternity - and I don't think it needs as many words

It's no secret that the Queen's special royal garden is the prettiest, healthiest and richest part of the entire of Auburn and it's a fucking landslide in comparision, I'd say it's healthier than the pink trees in the Highlands - you don't want people to have access to even a cliff near the area and on top of that we don't know any of the actual implications of what the spring is, does it take nutrients around it? We don't know!
But what we do know is where it is, and it's situated in an area where you can (and I bring the earlier theory up) spin a tale that makes it more important than the Wellspring being something people want to accidentally find.
Having the 'Bog Monster' can be a distraction, the kids will try to confidently go in seeking an unimportant, very nice frog guy and the adults will spend their parenthood telling the kids to never go near there because it's literally the worst place ever and has mosquito's, literally ew.

Croaquin serves a purpose in the culture and society, he's literally the scary cave monster.
But because I know you want it to be something more and something about the bog itself (I genuinely don't believe the Bog is important, it's a byproduct of Auburn's health being on a downhill and that big ass tree just below it I think is and was the only source of anything it had left relating to healthy nutrients and support given the Frog Bog is the furthest away from the water sources (that are cleaner) means it's just now another vegetable on Zhiraok's plate he has to eventualy solve with his goals and aspirations of the Auburn district being 'relevant' to the crown again.

[rustic nexus]

holy wall of text

[main dust]

I'm writing an essay on Fruma and the classism disparity with it's ability to quash resistance's being customized for each district so I've got a lot to say - It's going to be a thread in #1019649786799996980 once I'm done.

[rustic nexus]

we've never seen the youth fountains "draining" an area around it, so why would the wellsprings be unique in doing that

if anything, they bring life to an area

like how we see with the lazarus pit

[uneven basin]

Have you thought about posting it to the forums ?

[rustic nexus]

forums are dead

[uneven basin]

Well they're googlable at least xd

[main dust]

It's not implied that it could be any of that but I'm aware that what's being asked is the relevance of the Bog itself - I'm spinning my own thoughts because the fight here is that Shmeg is being asked an impossible question because what you need is answers from the writers themselves.

And I will do, I think Discord kind of made a black hole for information and forums are as valuable as the day they were made

Plus, some people don't wanna use Discord, they shouldn't miss out just because.

But I'll post both - I'll have to format it some though.

[uneven basin]

Yeah I think content this thought out shouldn't be left to the whims of discord

[rustic nexus]

fair

[rustic nexus]

this is a really good read though
still continuing to go down the text wall

[rustic nexus]

this is a bad read though

"the canopy isn't powerful" my ass

yeah we haven't seen it, but we're told they actively fight the crown

akin to what the leaves/feather did when we showed up

if not more

[main dust]

Y'know what, I agree - I'm going to shift some words around because I'm not really conveying what I mean there and I don't just care about my own opinion like an asshat but I've got another thing writing up first.

[rustic nexus]

aight

[rustic nexus]

I do definitely think the loss of the giant tree and the stagnation of the water have caused the area to be less healthy yea

the wellspring doesn't really drain nutrients itself though

it's another fountain of youth, like the ones in wynn and gavel

if anything, the water is being diverted to the garden

so that the plant life inside is so healthy

and it doesn't spread elsewhere, where it would naturally

[round wraith]

whats his face has actively fought majin and survived

[main dust]

I know I'm not literally the messiah of answers, I'm not trying to be but the point is to make you think - Fruma has a lot of history but what I care and cater to specifically is how the Queen has manufactured a nation that can never win against her in every regard.
The Auburner's live too far away from the real society of Fruma to matter (and that's what they think which is why Syndra making a large charge is such an unexpected snowball of effects for Fruma)

Roughworks live in perpetual rent

I had a section about Mistwoods but in response to you calling my comments out I want to properly give you attention there

The Highland's own resistance is a group of rich people that don't actually care about helping anyone, they care about the gossip and are aware the poor exist but just go 'Well, I care as far as my mouth will let me around people that share the opinion around a meeting table in a room a floor downstairs once a week' That's the best The Highlands can offer........ except Rex, if you know you know.

My knowledge of the Spring is admittedly low but if you know more direct quotes than me, you aren't someone I'm going to ignore in the slightest, fair treatment and all - And I specialize in Fruma itself so my knowledge of Wynn and Gavel is empt.

Rurie, I remember.

[rustic nexus]

we don't know if rurie fought majin

he just has "experience"

we don't know what that is exactly

[main dust]

Experience could be shouting at each other over a picket fence for all we know

[round wraith]

we know he comes from the highlands

[main dust]

'My garden is better than urs'!

[rustic nexus]

I definitely think the nature of the mistwoods, having the mist act as walls to keep people contained, has lead to them mostly just being isolated from the rest of the province

in the story. the region feels somewhat disconnected from it all

people are living and dealing with the threats in the woods because that's the biggest threat currently

the crown's changelings are just an extention to that

but yeah

the nation the queen has made really can't fight against her on its own

the roughworks not only is so focused on living paycheck to paycheck, but they've also been kind of brainwashed to believe the queen can do no wrong

and they don't really ever get time off to think against that

every year, their quotas get raised by the queen

they never get time to think about resisting the regime given they need to spend so much of their day to simply live for tomorrow

[fresh orchid]

I wonder if the reason the quotas get raised isn't because of greed, but to raise them because if they don't keep raising them, a natural increase in production due to new tech and infrastructure will help the citizens have free time.

[rustic nexus]

yeah

that

if the people are too busy working day to day, overworking themselves to an early death, they have no time to properly resist

you need to constantly keep the workload big enough to where people don't end up having enough free time to think

hell, that's like

REALLY real

that happens in our world

[fresh orchid]

So to summarize, if I've been understanding this right?

The people of the Auburn forest are kept ignorant about the province at large and their ancestral past.

The people of the Roughworks are kept poor and destitute.

The people of the Mistwoods are kept afraid and focused on destroying infiltrators to a self-destructive degree.

The people of the Highlands are kept pampered and happy.

Meanwhile we've not seen the Wasteland, but from what we can infer, it's mostly known for having a lot of penal laborers and a near-inescapable prison - they're held with an iron fist.

And presumably the elite in Aelumia Citadel (and the Highlands, to a lesser extent) are the people who benefit from all this the most, and have no reason to shake the status quo.

[formal bridge]

Pretty much summarizes it all well

[rustic nexus]

yea

[rustic nexus]

aelumia is uh... kind of a similar boat as highlands

but also like

aelumia/highlands you're not told about how bad it is in the rest of the province

[formal bridge]

roughworks can't rebel cause they are struggling just to survive, mistwoods can't rebel cause they are in a giant dangerous jungle where changelings probably sabotage any further attempts at expansion, and the highlands has a rigid system of nobility and social etiquettes which discourage any kind of rebellion

it's also why Auburn and, ironically enough, Highlands have the most semi successful rebel groups

Auburn had a leader take over who was a former member of the military and just took up already disaffected people to her cause

[rustic nexus]

there's an npc you can find in auburn that's an art student from aelumia iirc that plans on going to the roughworks next, but they still call it the agrecultural district, they still expect it to be covered in fields of crops and windmills

like they're not told AT ALL what the reality is beyond their walls

[fresh orchid]

Hm. Yeah, there's a distinction to be made, but not sure if it's Aelumia/Highlands. More like, the average civilian in Aelumia/Highlands, versus the nobles, generals, bureaucrats, the university, etc. The people living in bliss and the people who are part of the machine.

[formal bridge]

and even if the highlands is mostly ineffectual they still assassinate a general

They're just a bit too ignorant and kept tied up in idealism and rumor and gossip to be allowed to really know how things work and what would be effective

unsurpisingly it's an already existing military presence (Syndra) who creates the biggest waves

as we see in most irl history too, just instead of having an army Syndra has magic

[rustic nexus]

wdym like

the ending to the strong survive?

[formal bridge]

train quest

[fresh orchid]

On A Rail.

[rustic nexus]

ah

cemor

[main dust]

Alright.

So, The Mistwoods is a complicated district with a complicated society and I think Gikyo counts on that too, I've spoken about it earlier in this chat but it kind of went under the radar because people treat long walls of text like they should be ignored so I for one super appreciate you being someone different, it's rare to find.

The Mistwoods lies at the border between the working class and the rich and is an area with not even a train station to it, it's effectively a 'Forest of Death' that both sides never want to traverse, Highlander's are incentivized to used their unlimited wealth on the train station to visit the other districts on holiday (or through education) so we can scratch the idea of people visiting there off which means they have little to no interaction with 'news' outside of the Roughworks intel gathering which is the only side I remember hearing about.

It's one town, Aldwell exists in effectively a perpetual lockdown because the Changeling's are a constant threat in their society only because they are groomed and bred from however they're formed in the Tar Pits to become immediate spies with no individuality past their fortress (I'd say the Rookies have the most personality based on the miniboss that hides the key in the big room but that they will disappear as they shift into professional spies) and Aldwell's citizens care more about killing off an (actually innocent but bred to be spies) species because that's their reality, it's as complicated as it's allowed to be from up above.

It's one resistance group The Canopy sort of has problems, I feel.
They're powerful, absolutely - but what's in front of them will always stop any change from happening, the Changeling's are aplenty and are their priority immediately from the moment you meet Rurie - we kidnap that Changeling and if we're being honest there isn't information they can get off of them, Changeling's are on a strict 20+ hour regime just to be spies and nothing else, to the Crown they're meaningless troopers that they can toss at a problem for as long as they need and can to stop The Canopy from being able to actually get meaningful changes - what they do is Climate Activism - we destroy drills and piping and those are things that can be fixed by a group of people and some soldiers (also noting that the piping system is literally on the patrolled path to the Highlands) and that sort of is the cycle they've been in for some time since the splitoff from Gikyo and whatever their name is.

They're strong in strength and understand symbol-based magic but what worth is that power if they don't feel like they can think past their own problems - The Steel Feather is notoriously bad at change, they got comfortable with safety and never wanted to fight more because they weren't willing to hurt more and rebellion needs hurt, The Roughworks woul had stayed the exact same forever if Syndra's team didn't shoot past.
Auburner's have always had the least risk with their actions because of how unimportant they were which is why them snowballing into The Roughworks was the one thing The Steel Feather needed to actually do something - people were never going to stop losing their homes, it was a charity - built on kind beliefs but ones that won't do the world good as kind as charity is.

Gikyo is the most self-aware of the Sovereign's not because they knows more about the hierachy but because they are aware of the powerlessness - the problem is that they just don't have enough willingness to fight against it because they know the Queen's plight with the Realm shit.

The Canopy is effectively a roadblock for real resistances, think about it - this Climate Activist group that can't get past the Changeling bloackade meets a real rebellion, Syndra's rebellion - what are they going to think? 'Oh we need to grab them so they can help our cause!' and The Canopy is loud about what they do, so much so they can be infiltrated by just one person, Gikyo - The Crown or at least Gikyo has to know The Canopy is useful because having them exist means you can easily quash the real problems, Sui and the protagonist.

The Canopy doesn't have 'power' in the grand scheme of the society around it and how they can't get past their own district, Gikyo can infiltrate it so god damn simply by swapping forms and in the span of five seconds IMMEDIATELY got us into prison with probably barely any effort.

I think The Canopy is just stuck, they're stuck in a way that was made on purpose by the crown and Gikyo's unwillingness to help make change and that they would never have gotten further than their own walls because of it.

[rustic nexus]

tbh people like cemor and caid were the exception to the blossom of blades

[formal bridge]

He still did kill a guy lmao, even if it's rightfully pointed out how little of an impact that'll have

but it's the environment of the highlands which allows him and Caid to exist, similar to Auburn allowing it's own rebels to exist

[rustic nexus]

dude I care about fruma lore

why would I ignore walls of text

[formal bridge]

I wouldn't be surprised if Majin is well aware of the blossom of blades and allows it because they inherently stifle anyone who tries to rebel

[rustic nexus]

I love that shit

[formal bridge]

the existing leadership stomps down any possible real action, forcing actors like Caid and Cemor to act alone, get caught, and perpetuate things

Zhiraok would probably have wiped out the rebels himself too, but he winds up making the fatal mistake of giving Syndra time to let it fester

[main dust]

I never used to type like this but my husband does essays so I do too - people usually just go 'Haha shakesphere's here' and say nothing else and I've watched him get just ignored over and over and treated like words are a crime - I just kind of expect it to be the same for me, I'm far less blunt than him so people are nicer but it's what I expect, you know?

At least dogs can listen to me talk about Fruma lore for three hours.

(She's on the bed with me)

[formal bridge]

I really enjoy having someone similarly willing to vomit words about lore lmao

I would do the same if I had the motivation myself

[summer bluff]

https://klipy.com/gifs/a-movie-and-popcorn--k01KQTDPZPGJ8Y05QZJW5N7NFSN

[fresh orchid]

I think it's just that discord, and large-population discords in specific, tend to filter down discussion into short, rapid comments.

[rustic nexus]

aelumia/highland people do sometimes visit for studies, but it's most likely the one path closest to the aelumia plateau, aka the path that doesn't go through the heart of mistwoods and definitely not through aldwell

[summer bluff]

muy show is on i love when ppl talk abt the mistwoods and gikyo

[formal bridge]

it is an interesting dichotomy that the most competent sovereign, Zhiraok, wound up being the one to fail in putting down his rebellious peoples

[rustic nexus]

hell, there's even signs to show the crown attacks aldwell sometimes

[formal bridge]

Soosu has a spy in the Steel Feather which ensures she knows they're passive, Gikyo has their changelings constantly harrass the canopy and prevent any expansion, and Majin just has to ensure the same gossipy idiots stay in control in the Highlands

wastelands probably doesn't have any real settlements so the prison is all there is

[main dust]

Well they are attacking Aldwell, the books say the citizens evacuated and they're using Changeling's as a way to make sure those books stay true without any effort

It's like, fucked up

[summer bluff]

zhiraok just straight up didnt think that the leaves were even an ounce of a threat, he calls the practically a rounding error

[formal bridge]

It's mainly cause he assumed their most competent member, Syndra, was under his thumb still

then the player comes in and gives all of them magic

Suddenly they aren't kept in place by their lack of membership and have at least a semi competent commander around

It's why once he realizes what's happening he's chasing the group to the Roughworks, probably realizing the collosal error he just made

he's lucky about what Syndra decides to do ends up imploding the leaves

[fresh orchid]

That one lootrun challenge comes to mind. I think we don't really see what happens in the Mistwoods - it's probably a lot of constant skirmishes and sabotage and the Canopy is constantly fighting the army in a lot of small ways.

Especially since, well, the crown probably doesn't move all its prisoners to the Wastelands by metro - there's probably some overland caravans that have to go through the forest, since it is between the Highlands and the Wasteland (though there's also a route to the Wasteland via the Industrial District, I think?)

[rich blaze]

hi!

[fresh orchid]

Hang on, back during True Colours, didn't they say something like "Oh, they know about this place? We have to move so soon?" Or something along those lines. Implying they have to frequently relocate their whole hideout just because the crown is always on their ass.

[rustic nexus]

I love the difference in mindset with gikyo and azael, where one blames those who fight back against changelings, while the other blames the ones who forced changelings to be the threat that is being fought back against

[formal bridge]

Yeah they're constantly harassed by the changelings

[rustic nexus]

yep

[formal bridge]

I have to assume they were smaller as well before Azael joined up with them and presumably brought with a knowledge of how changelings operated

[fresh orchid]

Ah, here.

If they have to move around every month, well, that's pretty dire.

[formal bridge]

even if it's every three months normally that's not exactly conducive to building any kind of external powerbase from within the mistwoods

[rustic nexus]

I FUCKING LOVE FRUMA

I LOVE THAT FRUMA IS SO WELL WRITTEN

[formal bridge]

Esp when everyone outside seems to assume people in the mistwoods are dead/gone and would freak out if they met anyone form the canopy

they can't build outside alliances until the player and co literally waltz into the place

[rustic nexus]

filter 💔

something you said might've had a word the filter didn't like

[main dust]

Well I'm happy it was with my other posts and not that one lmao.

[fresh orchid]

I think it's a situation where they're really good with guerilla warfare and being a thorn in the crown's side, but can't really afford a full frontal assault until you deal with the Gikyo situation.

[formal bridge]

Yeah the filter is really weird lmao

[summer bluff]

this is why gikyo is the goatkyo they do their job so well

[formal bridge]

Gikyo's one job is to keep the canopy from expanding and that's about it, and they do it well

[summer bluff]

i am however biased

[main dust]

Solar is on point.

[summer bluff]

oh and to train the changelings

i am so biased towards gikyo its not even funny, its HILARIOUS

[formal bridge]

the canopy is a very competently run group of rebels which is kept under heel not by societal or economic pressures, but by completely cutting off outside contact and flooding their society with changelings to ruin everything for them

Imagine the canopy trying to perform an assault on Fort Hegea

[vapid peak]

Still! I really like the Canopy for being the only resistance faction with teeth

[formal bridge]

the chaos of an enemy army able to just transform into your army in the middle of a battle

[fresh orchid]

Gikyo has like two scenes and a Secret Discovery of screentime, and they spend it perfectly

[formal bridge]

even if it's purely appearance, you end up with pure chaos

[rustic nexus]

I think the mistwoods is such a perfect area for the crown
they can train changelings unimpeded AND they have the perfect playground for newly trained changelings to adapt to real situations AND they also get to distract the canopy from doing something ACTUALLY threatening to the crown by keeping them busy with changelings

[formal bridge]

the auburn forest also fits thematically as the source of the queen's downfall

Cause practically, what purpose does auburn serve in the grand scheme of fruma?

roughworks produces more food and more innocations and supplies, mistwoods trains the spy network, and the complex social structure of highlands keeps the elite in line

[main dust]

Exactly!

The Auburner's are what Fruma needed.
No one is more motivated than a resistor from Auburn because they have such low stakes, low stakes equals risky mindsets and those risky mindsets are what The Steel Feather and Fruma needed to make change, they were so unexpected, uncared for in Fruma's society (a rounding error) that they SNOWBALLED the nation, the biggest protective areas was Fort Torann and the Capital and nothing in-between because they were comfortable with the setup that kept the citizens down from fighting back

Rex is a catalyst more so than Syndra.
The protagonist is the push but a Highlander is the start, they needed someone who saw everything below them, understood more intricacies than most and would in whatever way end up at the bottom-most district to help them climb up - Just because the poor can fight back doesn't mean they can always win, someone from the Highland's that realized all the problems in the nation including how the Blossom of Blades are prissy people that don't actually care and to go 'No! How dare this be the people that deem they care, this is disgusting, this is horrible, this isn't change, we need change'
Rex didn't know about them because she had an alternative life but Auburner's still got Highlander's in the end and it pushed them out.

The Auburner's aren't even people that are active in the society, the most active people in Auburn aren't even Auburner's - the Lumber Yard up east of Espren is made up of Roughwork's Workers that are imported in for resource gathering for up high.

[formal bridge]

but auburn is deliberately made to be beautiful and idyllic, the queen directly saying that's it's one of her favorite places to visit as well. Because no matter what, she couldn't get rid of that initial pure attachment she had to the material plane, despite it conflicting with her authoritarian regime in order to keep them in line

so auburn has to be kept in line purely by isolating them as much as possible, and yet we see in story and SDs that they frequently have rebellions regardless

Resulting in it being wiped out entirely, the only district which ever got so rowdy as to require that

even mistwoods just got cut off, not flooded

It's not like the queen couldn't wipe the mistwoods out if she really wanted to

[main dust]

Just hoping that you're doing well once you're back - arguments or not I did want to help support you given it was kind of a brick wall conversation, I hope I said things that helped you there because I've seen people on your side of a conversation and it kills me to see you and others go through it.

[regal spire]

Nah, I don’t mind anything lol

I don’t take any of this seriously, even when I’m wrong, because everyone here’s having fun

[fresh orchid]

I've wondered if the reason for it is that the Queen can't avoid causing war, no matter how much she tries, and she'll always give cause for a rebellion one way or another. Needs to eat.

Like, for instance - Syndra was completely loyal before the Queen gave her that 'test of loyalty' that ended up making her defect. And I wonder if that's because in the future, it would lead to war. There is no war within Fruma, but the Queen needs war - or rather, cannot stop being War.

[rustic nexus]

ehh

I don't think it's the primary thing

but it is a neat way to tie it in

[summer bluff]

bpd self sabotaging queen headcanon

[rustic nexus]

everything the queen does inevitably leads to the thing she hoped to escape

[main dust]

I honestly think Anathema's problem is just that she grew up in a painful, miserable place and forced her way out of it by sheer willpower and that had a traumatically effective impact on who she was.

She can't avoid it because she fought tooth and nail to get out of her hell.

[rustic nexus]

yea

[main dust]

It's sort of a relapse problem - she needs to like, make friends.

Bak'al didn't help.

If she could just make friends (like, let's ditch the crown, be friends with the Sovereign's or some shit, have dinner parties) she could help repair her trauma.

[summer bluff]

croaquin is so bad at shapeshifting that theres not really much else of a use for them

[regal spire]

Ana seems like the kind of person who cannot handle respite and peace, even when they supposedly “fight” for it. They’re a danger to themselves, and the world, because of her horrible origin, and I like to think that she can’t actually ever be given a chance to own a claim without hurting people. (Which is why I hope that “treating her with kindness” is limiting her to no claim)

[rustic nexus]

the sad part is she tried with Two

but never got anywhere with that

"I couldn't get fondness out of her" I think was one postraid line

[formal bridge]

I think it's a matter of control issues that she has

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[formal bridge]

she's terrified of nebulous bad things happening to Fruma

which both prevents her from even trying to expand and help other people, and also oppress the people internally out of fear

[main dust]

And she needs to try again.
Two is someone who treats Anathema's trauma and realm shit like it's some failure of her being - a plight of problems that Anathema is causing and I lowkey think Two is not the right option as important as Two legitimately is.

She needs people to tell her no that are powerful enough to make her stop panicking and going into 'combat' mode as a reactionary, that's not how you keep friends.

[rustic nexus]

she got so possessive of fruma because it was the first time she had a piece of land to herself that she loved

[formal bridge]

She is a literal Godqueen and she is still extremely insular

[regal spire]

Could she close the portal in Wynn with the resonance weaver, actually? Is that what she was going to end up doing, after she finally delved into Saph and Orphion’s claim

[rustic nexus]

yes

the resonance weaver could close the portals

it's just a matter of knowing how to do that

we don't know what her goals were after dealing with the added weight on dark's claim

[regal spire]

She shouldn’t have wiped out the entire race of Fruman’s who knew how to use it

[rustic nexus]

but it's likely we learn that from Two in the dern expansion

yup.

[regal spire]

But, idk her plan, and she’s dead anyway

[rustic nexus]

but again

she was just so protective of fruma

she couldn't bare the possibility of losing it

[main dust]

Idc revive Anathema and give her Netflix it'll fix her, Majin, Zhiraok and Gikyo all at once - give them some reality TV trash to bond over.

[rustic nexus]

anathema my queen 💔 come back 💔

I can fix you

lmfao

[main dust]

Soosu is the only one I think would not attend the Netflix dinners.

[regal spire]

I like delving into the psyche of a pathological narcissist, or minor sociopathic traits. Their entire life sounds so genuinely miserable, and it’s ironically used to justify it, in some cases. Ana feels like that kind of life, and it’s beautifully tragic

[main dust]

Anathema was a little bit 😬 with that 'Deal is over' shit.

[rustic nexus]

yeeaa

tbh

wouldn't she have used the resonance weaver to also remove soosu's blessing

it feels like something that would be possible

[regal spire]

That is the implication, but I also think she can just remove her mark

[summer bluff]

!!!!!! get gikyo into those dreamworks netflix exclusive shows right now!!! show them the changeling goblins!!!!!!!!!

[rustic nexus]

the only result of this would be gikyo doing the Dreamworks Pose before killing their victims

you know the one

[summer bluff]

show them ds9

[summer bluff]

no i dont sry

[rustic nexus]

arms crossed, half open smile, raised eyebrow

[summer bluff]

they do that anyways except they put their hands behind their back

[rustic nexus]

yea

[summer bluff]

nothing substantial would change

[rustic nexus]

gikyo can never change, that is because they're perfect

[summer bluff]

but they can have fun

give them buttered popcorn and other things that dont exist in wynncraft

[rustic nexus]

man, I love fruma so much

it's so GOOD

[main dust]

Gikyo is in it for the drama.

If Gikyo could have unparalelled access to all the gossip in Fruma they would watch it all at once.

[summer bluff]

it may LOOK like my frumsanity has gone down, but its actually gotten worse its just not in this server rn

[rustic nexus]

would gikyo watch soap operas

[summer bluff]

oh you KNOW if yumans name ever escaped zephs lips while he was getting tortured that they would have the TIME OF THEIR LIFE

[rustic nexus]

LMAO true

[summer bluff]

hotel nightmares, kitchen nightmares, the like

the canopy could have taken down gikyo just by airdropping all the newspapers and gossip mags they could

[rustic nexus]

but then gikyo takes the form of zhiraok and reads them all in like a minute

[summer bluff]

nah you gotta savour stuff like that, who knows when theyll get another airdrop

[clear scaffold]

fruma takes place over weeks

it genuinely surprises me that it does.

[slender copper]

...is this lore or just character discussion? lmao

[clear scaffold]

quill just mentioned it and i was like "wait it's been multiple weeks?"

[summer bluff]

gikyo is a gossip, its in the lore

[slender copper]

Yeah, the only time indicators we have are NPCs saying it's been a few days/weeks.

[slender copper]

No about the Netflix conversation above lmao

[stuck sinew]

has it canonically been 13 years

[clear scaffold]

yeah idk why but i was imagining the player rapid firing the quests

[slender copper]

1 actually

[clear scaffold]

but no makes sense the player was probably doing days of nothing or training

[summer bluff]

We're discussing the lore implications of what shows gikyo would like to watch

[stuck sinew]

death note

bleach, akame ga kill

[clear scaffold]

just making sure soosu's dead right?

like she was executed after saving the player and co

[unique pumice]

was she?

did you finish the story

[summer bluff]

Spoilers

[slender copper]

Welp, can't argue with that lmao

[summer bluff]

If you wanna know her fate you gotta play more

[clear scaffold]

i've only got two quests to do but i was just curious because she does kinda disappear for so long

[unique pumice]

ah okay then yeah keep playing

[clear scaffold]

it was also weird because the queen said she would despite also wanting to torture her with living

[slender copper]

Those are the two quests funnily enough that will um... answer your question.

[clear scaffold]

she's the only sovereign i like and just wanna give a hug to

mostly out of "aww feel bad for you"

[rustic nexus]

that's just a lie the newspapers are spreading

[clear scaffold]

also i love the zeph and yuman romance

that's just like awwww

[rustic nexus]

zeph and yuman, sitting in a tree

[clear scaffold]

second favourite couple.. never beating maxie and rhay

[rustic nexus]

what about Elise and Syndra...

where do you rank them

[clear scaffold]

probably third? like right behind zeph and yuman

i like them as individuals it's just elise made me sad just being herself, the romance never really got to me as much outside of elise makes me sad

[main dust]

Elise was my tears button
She was destined to be a remainder of what once was and she was going to die feeling like that - her last words about Syndra being her resoluteness in the fact her life was not the one that mattered over Syndra's.

It really sucked.
All that waiting and removal of Elise having a life at all anymore for an important movement but you couldn't have mustered the courage to visit when you had a momentary chance?

To be fair again people with memory problems and dying without having lived are things I cry to so I was very 😬 dying inside

[frozen turtle]

when/where did Bob say this btw?

[clear scaffold]

yeah that quest i think is the worst especially since it made it clear, not everyone with their memory wiped is going to wynn and living a life

[clear scaffold]

i think his book pages

[main dust]

Yes.

[unique pumice]

does anyone have the full post raid dialogue

for wtp

[main dust]

Look, I watched all of Inuyasha and the main villain of that show would literally be solved if he just had Soap Opera's

[uneven basin]

That's in reference to the planes tbf

[clear scaffold]

yeah it's his letters

[frozen turtle]

ahh okay nice

[regal spire]

Gikyo doesn’t watch television. They just sorta mentor changelings all day, which explains why they’re all weirdoes

[frozen turtle]

thats what made Her Majesty irredeemable

[regal spire]

Azael broke the mold fr, too bad his letter never reached Gikyo, both literally and metaphorically

[main dust]

Yeah didn't you remember the Frumatube posters that Gikyo had in their bedroom that we visited in Aelumia? They had fifty televisions all turned on at once to the tune of Big Brother

[rustic nexus]

actually I think they changed some dialogue to suggest she did visit after we got to the roughworks, but Elise didn't recognize her

[uneven basin]

I just realized that despite all it's got there are no tvs / studios in fruma

[main dust]

Oh! That would be really sweet if so.

[clear scaffold]

i think this is the worst part, there is a good chance she did anyway

[rustic nexus]

and that Quill helped in trying to get to her

[main dust]

It was literally what I suggested somewhere here.

[regal spire]

Nuh uh, they got theater

[clear scaffold]

but elise isn't going to remember

[rustic nexus]

that inquisitor bs is that hard huh....

[regal spire]

Idk if they have any contemporary dance as an art within the Aelumia theater, but maybe they do

I’d like to see how they’d animate that ngl

[clear scaffold]

honestly though, the inquisitor stuff is just... cruel

[rustic nexus]

yuuuup

[clear scaffold]

you're either lucky and sent to wynn or you suffer remembering nothing

[slender copper]

??? what does any of this mean

[clear scaffold]

i actually kinda wish i could of just killed a few inquisitors in that quest.

[main dust]

Yeah, Fruma is a modernism similar to Naruto in that it's direction technologically were based on the world around it - in a world where magic is real your culturally important technology changes and shifts too.
Fantasy world & culture meeting electricity doesn't always equal phones

And I'm just winding you up, Corrupt - you don't need to pay it attention

[rustic nexus]

freedom's just a penumbra phantasm for big shots in the world revolving

[slender copper]

WHEEZES

[regal spire]

There’s a freedom motif in this message somewhere

[rustic nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-outside-and-smell-that-freedom-freedom-leitmotif-freedom-motif-deltarune-secret-boss-gif-11009151628751802311

[slender copper]

||That's the melody that plays when you choose the "Reach into the Bottomless Pit" option in Apotheosis||

[uneven basin]

Oh speaking of this I'm still a tad disappointed they have straight up modern thing without even a fantasy touch like just irl chainsaws and PVC suitcases

[regal spire]

Reach into the bottomless pit that is my steam library fr

[clear scaffold]

the chainsaws are just dumb tbh

[rustic nexus]

reach into the bottomless pit and you get a panic zealot

[regal spire]

Tbf, how would you develop a non magical chainsaw

Like, they haven’t actually changed all that much since conception

[clear scaffold]

chainsaws probably should just not exist

[uneven basin]

They changed a bit ? My main gripe is it all looks so normal you even got regular workers in overalls and hard hat it's like when they added straight up forklifts in the avatar comics

[regal spire]

They’re just easier to use axes, though. Maybe change the hilt design from being yellow, since most of them had a metallic exterior with zero coating

[summer bluff]

Aren't chainsaws like. Kinda ancient

[clear scaffold]

I'm just gonna go with the logic this is the better version of corkus

[regal spire]

Like, the first “real” chainsaw (not a hand crank with a chain on it) basically just looks like a horrifying amalgam version of the modern design

[rustic nexus]

think they're from like the 1800s

[clear scaffold]

1700s

[regal spire]

And, yeah, 1758

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[regal spire]

Scotland, I believe they originated?

[summer bluff]

It's about right for them to have em

[regal spire]

Don’t actually know where they first started being “manufactured”

[uneven basin]

Yeah but they looked like this

[rustic nexus]

if there's any technology in fruma to feel like it's clashing in style it would be the vending machines imo

[regal spire]

I see what you mean, but that’s, like, prehistoric in comparison to what was actually manufactured and used back then

This is one of the first recovered models

[uneven basin]

Oh yeah chainsaws were my first example the biggest offender to me is the PVC suitcase 😭

[regal spire]

Or “recreated” version of em

Why tf do I know this😭

[uneven basin]

That's fair honestly there ain't many ways to reinvent the chainsaw

[rustic nexus]

oh yeah that too

that suitcase was like

[regal spire]

Where did I read this, I might just be speaking out of my ass rn

[clear scaffold]

the pvc suitcase just is a level of stupid i completely ignored this

[rustic nexus]

the suitcase is the biggest sore thumb

[clear scaffold]

wasn't that like the hotel part

[rustic nexus]

no

train quest

off the rails

[clear scaffold]

oh that one yeah

[rustic nexus]

the tetris puzzle

[slim belfry]

purely mechanical vending machine?

[regal spire]

Oh, lmao, the suitcase on the train. I didn’t even clock that it wasn’t just a big leather bag

[summer bluff]

When were carbonated sodas added to cans?

[clear scaffold]

I remember now going "nope not questioning this one"

then got WAY too in to tetris

[uneven basin]

Honestly if they looked more line the jukeboxes it might be better

[rustic nexus]

recently, surely

[regal spire]

That’s a 20th century thing, I believe

[clear scaffold]

fruma i genuinely just think went "let's go modern"

[regal spire]

They were glass since the 1850’s?

[clear scaffold]

and i don't know how i feel about it

[regal spire]

I actually don’t know when the first soda was commercially sold

[frozen turtle]

maybe someones blessing was to carbonate drinks

[rustic nexus]

1930s 😭

[slim belfry]

dang

[regal spire]

Still, a reasonable time frame

[slim belfry]

yeah

[clear scaffold]

1700s if we're going off bottles

[summer bluff]

Yeah this feels a lot worse than the chainsaws

[uneven basin]

That's not a bad idea in theory and for the most part it's executed well enough but there are a few parts that feel like they did not think that world building through xd

[regal spire]

Given Fruma’s IA and the stretch of 120 years, I can safely believe this to be possible

[rustic nexus]

yep

CORKUS doesn't have canning

[clear scaffold]

honestly the vending machine itself was questionable

[regal spire]

Corkus is too busy making butler bots and AI girlfriends to care about real inventions

[uneven basin]

Corkus doesn't have a lot of stuff

[slim belfry]

LOL

that's so true of them

[uneven basin]

Like, as far as the everyday life is concerned is Corku really more advanced than gavel ?

[rustic nexus]

it's like

a bit above gavel

[summer bluff]

Corkus needed a third belt buckle and decorative gear factory, they do NOT have time for preservation techniques!!!

[regal spire]

Their entire manufacturing ring was seized by a (noticeably not feminine) Anti

[clear scaffold]

remember llevigar's power comes from corkus engineers

I think it does anyway.. electromagic is involved

[rustic nexus]

it is corkian yes

[slim belfry]

don't care looks feminine enough

[regal spire]

And, funnily enough, it’s failing! Like a lot of the Corkus shit we see in game lmao

[clear scaffold]

tbf that's not corkus's fault

who accounts for dernic parasites

[uneven basin]

And that's weird cause it looks like they didn't even do that for corkus city ?

Does Corkus feel on the same level as llevigar

Corkus city

[summer bluff]

They're smarter than that, they know their own limits

[rustic nexus]

how many corkian drills are spread around in quests

[regal spire]

I suppose the Llevigar one can get a pass, but all their drills? They should just straight up close that section of manufacturing

[rustic nexus]

and like

only 1 of them works

[regal spire]

I think we have 4 instances of a drill failing made by Corkus

[rustic nexus]

and that's after we go and fix the wiring

[clear scaffold]

one of those is defintely just not corkus's fault but yeah

[uneven basin]

Do they export anything else 😭

[clear scaffold]

still a few times of like how

[rustic nexus]

fliers for legendary island

also bread

[regal spire]

Also, the Corkus shmorkus markus housing complex in Nemract?

[summer bluff]

They need to stop adding useless gears to stuff and start optimizing their wiring

[clear scaffold]

to be fair, that'd be fun

does corkus actually ever do anything right?

[summer bluff]

Oh all those new liquid emerald makers that are in every bank now

[regal spire]

“Where tf is the fridge I haven’t eaten in 8 days”

[rustic nexus]

oh yea

liquified emeralds are likely a corkian invention

[regal spire]

Oh, really?

[clear scaffold]

the only good thing they did, is melt emeralds

[regal spire]

I never clocked that, tbh

[summer bluff]

Actually corkus is peak they're the reason we can get croaquin to drink liquid emeralds

[rustic nexus]

kind of a new lore tidbit tbh

[uneven basin]

Is that only environmental storytelling?

[regal spire]

Did they update some lore in Markus Corkus’s library?

[clear scaffold]

i'm honestly surprised corkus has so little to do with fruma

[rustic nexus]

yep

[clear scaffold]

like outside of what? 1 secret discovery?

[uneven basin]

I was disappointed there was not a Corkus report / surveillance book hidden somewhere in fruma

[regal spire]

Tbf, it is the most hilarious SD in the game

“We will build a great province” had me so happy

[clear scaffold]

... not wrong still disappointing but not wrong

[rustic nexus]

john corkus

[clear scaffold]

even fruma doesn't care about them

[uneven basin]

I'm still wondering about that implications that the queen probably let them go

[regal spire]

Also, I love how all the Corkus settlers have the noisy generic skin textures

[clear scaffold]

"not worth it"

[rustic nexus]

oh no, they probably sent inquisitors to corkus to wipe fruma info off of them

[main dust]

Well, why would it be important?
They're scientists - they were quick to disregard their culture in favour of the technological advancements (however stilted due to the fact moving out of the technology country to the magic-primarily land means you just sort of stagnate into how they're steampunk) - not only that but Fruma is a major stain that they do not want to be relevant in any historical way - Fruma to them would be a plague, a hell.

Corkian's are also lowkey just the British anyways so they're lame af give the Natives the land my guys

[rustic nexus]

but yeah

they let them go

[regal spire]

I think it’s cause they couldn’t really get that far, considering the stretch Two has with inquisitors. And, by the time they sent someone to go handle it, they noticed electromagic, maybe

[clear scaffold]

and honestly no one takes corkus seriously really

outside of those who cares about electromagic

[regal spire]

I wouldn’t, they’ve been fumbling their bags nonstop

A lot of Wynn settlements know Corkians as scammers, too

[uneven basin]

Funnily enough that would be fruma

[main dust]

Soosu would call that shit lame

[clear scaffold]

xD yeah ok but i mean like anyone who is actually knowledgeable of the wider world and actively cares to interact

[main dust]

But Fruma is invested in information for it's own advancements, yeah.

[regal spire]

You think corruption fucks up electromagic robots?

[uneven basin]

"Would be of interest to sovereign S."

[clear scaffold]

soosu has the cooler powers to be fair

[uneven basin]

They had actual artificial intelligence something soosu's been struggling with

[clear scaffold]

i mean her creations were like what? six year olds mentally?

[main dust]

I think her AI is biological based though, she wanted to create an organic friend and primarily used dirt n' shit.

I think you could convince her with Corkian AI though.

[clear scaffold]

i know they were more like pets than actual people

[main dust]

She really wanted them to be people though, she became too important too early in her life when she should have just been making friends.

:( Soosu lives matter

[clear scaffold]

oh yeah no soosu just got the worst fate

eternal life at an age you REALLY dont want that

[uneven basin]

Antithekara might fit that description, unfortunate that we destroyed it

Emphasis on might

[clear scaffold]

i wonder if hunter's calling is canon on that part of she had backups

[uneven basin]

Probably not but of they ever want to come back and expand that plotline that's a threat they can pull

[main dust]

Anithekara lives matter too I also would hate everyone I was around because they were being annoying and awful

(I don't remember much about Anithekara other than liking every line from them in the factory)

[clear scaffold]

i could also see the backups exist but they put her at a level of threat by the time she becomes an actual threat again corkus is too far advanced

[uneven basin]

I dunno Corkus is weird !!!!

[main dust]

I'm very excited for Wastelands though - That means we'll see the prison!

I wonder if it'll still be super functional or if it'll go on lockdown after the whole Monarch is Down stuff.
I can imagine a Military control sort of scenario where they act as the primary authority in response to her death

[formal bridge]

anithekara is okay I guess. It's a very well written glados parody, but it's still a glados parody and not much else, so I never warmed up to them

[main dust]

I suppose I'm biased in that I love Glados types - I'm just a big fan of villain's in general, can't get enough of 'em.
Nothing better than a mean villain.

But I understand, completely.

[clear scaffold]

ok what i get from sovereign two, both orphion and dernic beast are just basically the same coin but two opposites

both will gladly destroy anything in their way solely to get their influence, orphion just prefers manipulation while dern beast is just destroy

[zinc dove]

is there anyone that tried to translate the "ancient" language?

[split night]

It's more parallel that actual opposite
they both can manipulate and destroy in certain extend

[split night]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621

[zinc dove]

I meant the Wynnic

[split night]

that has been done ages ago i think
it's just a simple letter by letter encryption

[clear scaffold]

but it's more orphion prefers mentally

or manipulation

[split night]

mhm??
we have the obsessor in SE

if you ask me it sound like those people got really mentally manipulated to be obsessor

[clear scaffold]

obsessor is a life form i thought

[split night]

Lucio is one

when he got captured by one

not a life form but kind of what happen when you lost your mind to Dark i think

[clear scaffold]

no i mean the obsessor itself is a life form

[split night]

your sentence is not making sense
it is a lifeform yes of course because it's the people that got obsessed with dark

can you elaborate that further

[worn swallow]

Bro is standing here like nothing happened 🥀

[clear scaffold]

more like imagine a slime

and it's using the people it absorbs

[split night]

headcanon?

neat

[clear scaffold]

more like abandoned selvut lore

(he had some really dark lore for the obsessor stuff)

[split night]

i mean if it is a slime, then it's still is manipulation, a bit more forceful than the usual kind for sure

[clear scaffold]

best way to put it, the tar in a journey further you parkour over, that's obsessor in the selvut lore xD

and if you touch it you do need to amputate (and also why lucio and the other obsessor are keeping you close when they attack you)

[split night]

It's kinda neat that we don't get the same fate when we interact with an obsessor ourself and touched it

[clear scaffold]

i think that's gameplay over actual immunity

[split night]

the fake player fun event i mean

[clear scaffold]

i.e the player does that hitless

[split night]

the fake player fun event

[clear scaffold]

i honestly don't think the player's dumb enough to lore wise fall for it. they'd see an adventurer and go "nope"

[split night]

when you're around lutho or SE in general there would be a player that ask to trade with you and when you agree they will literally turn out to be an obsessor and deal like dmg to 99% health

[split night]

in a scenario where you actually fall for it you'd still survive then

it's not the matter of falling for it or not xd

player's Character is just built different

[drifting aurora]

while this is probably true, i should note that their relationship is more complicated than that. in her postraid dialogue, anathema says "I could never... coax fondness... out of her. Not after... what I had done." about two

[split night]

im all in Anathema and Two mother daughter relationship

[regal spire]

Considering what Ana did to Two’s people, and that Two—from what I can assume, given her backstory—did not want to take her path (though likely believed it to be the most effective way of actually solving the problem), I don’t doubt that Two and Ana have a very professional, yet stern relationship

Although, maybe more will be revealed as to just what it was like to face off against the Queen, before the Royal Age, once we translate the mythic cutscenes fully

I’m more specifically interested in Architect

[main dust]

Oh absolutely - I'm being very disgenerous with my comments - Two and Anathema clearly have a strained relationship that happened from a catalyst event - Two isn't someone who is immune to understanding Anathema's care and ability to be someone who wants to socialize I imagine but Two is someone that is willing to hold to the fact something happened that we are currently unaware of that Anathema is kind of at a point in her life that she couldn't and can't really fix without dismantling a lot of the mindsets and choices she's hard dedicated herself into.

It's a bit sad, I see a lot of a friendship that won't come back between the two without change so monumental that I don't believe Anathema has the power in her to face.
And Two is aware.

It's why Two is my favourite at the moment, Two is someone who remembers and knows layers above Anathema because Anathema has the unfortunate fact she was born with a lot of caveats to her ability to feel safe and capable at having a 'normal' life and Two was (as we know) just someone who could have been a normal ass person that happendstanced being friends with a bug from another dimension.
Anathema isn't going to leave what she made (both literally and figuratively) because in all fairness she believes herself to be the sole source of any balance from the two losers fighting outside (Orphion and Saphanis) like a bickering old couple with a very messy divorce.

And I think Two and Anathema's relationship is one of the more interesting things, not because of the fact it's clearly one from Pre-Anathema Fruma 'Oh it's so cool how Two is lore-relevant' things but it's one that it's so obviously Anathema's fault for ruining a legitimate relationship with, she did something, she did something that Two most defintely spoke exactly about her stance and opinion and standards and beliefs on but Anathema is coincidentally also a big mess who makes some very, very big mistakes because of her very, very large amount of power politically and magically (and the grance importance she puts on the fact she is trying to balance a never-ending storm which is the one thing she learnt to do best to her own fault, she's very good at keeping things in a state of never having a conclusion both outside and in her own damn kingdom and that's something she never was going to get the chance to work on, it's sad, I would have been friends with her.)

You guys know more than I - My interpretations aren't going to be exact and I'm sure there's some more in the works but I am invested into at least seeing some of the old dusty sparks they probably had between each other - Bak'al was a messy start to Anathema's social life after finally getting out of her hell and that defientely didn't help in the long run for maintaining healthy anything else.

Anathema needed therapy, unfortunately she lives in the magic world where purple and yellow magic fight each other and they were going to wipe the whole planet out before therapy could exist in the continents.
I genuienly believe if Anathema was given the option to have the relationship be fixed she would choose it - the problem is, is it fixing it through time travel or fixing it through the effort she needs to actually put into things that were her fault?

[dim plover]

Wait can it?

[rustic nexus]

yusanu said it could close the rifts opened by anathema

so it could probably also close portals

[dim plover]

Oh huh

Then why did we not use it

Is it just not figured out by him yet

[rustic nexus]

cuz we don't know how to

[dim plover]

Oh ok

[rustic nexus]

we need somebody more knowledgable with runes

to know how to use the weaver effectively

[dim plover]

It’s a reverse Cataclysm

[rustic nexus]

my guess is

we might get the help of some olm in dern

but who knows

[dim plover]

I’m still of the theory that Olm are Dern natives

I can’t wait for me to get vindicated if that gets confirmed

[dim plover]

If I were to make my own version of Bloomi it’s actually going to be really difficult deciding what level range it’s going to be

I assume Wynncraft won’t allow overbloat of quest content per chapter right

[fresh orchid]

I figure that given Saphanis closed the Dern Portal after we kill the Eye, the Resonance Weaver is how it's forced open again.

I figure the next steps of the story are probably like, heading off to the Wasteland to do a few ambiguous things + general Fruma Epilogue, that's the Butterfly Effect - looking at the consequences of our actions and next steps. Afterwards, with the Resonance Weaver fully complete and Fruma not on the brink of civil war, it's heading into Dern with Two, Tasim, and maybe someone else.

[dim plover]

Qira would be fun

[limber swan]

we don't even know what the weight is

though my theory is that its Bob

if Tasim could become a sovereign then Bob can work for the darkness

[celest falcon]

Bob is a good guy though

And probably has an actual spine

[limber swan]

but Anathema said that the darkness has had this added weight for the better part of two decades

guess who has been missing for 15 years

Bob

it would only make sense

[celest falcon]

Wait when was the time specified?

For the added weight

[limber swan]

Anathema said the better part of two decades

[celest falcon]

No I mean like

When

The post raid dialogue?

[young dock]

saving private Bob and Lari

[mossy widget]

yes

[clear scaffold]

majin being so cosmic was almost creepy.

[summer bluff]

she could stand to have a visit with dr picard lmai

lmao

[main dust]

Naaaaah he's just gay and extra as shit.
He's literally got Peacock motifs which is both a very FLAUNTY way of showing that he's fruity (and rich) as shit.

Also Peacock's are an old gay term for an 'Old Queen' and if we're honest, Majin is up there - it doesn't surprise me that he's also out there having a pocket space dimension with literal rainbow anime attacks

[clear scaffold]

to be fair he has the coolest and most telegraphed attacks

[main dust]

Dr Picard 😬
Lowkey forgot the entire original crew barring the one super into the soldier guy that got roomed with him in prologue

[summer bluff]

linton the explosives goat

we love a bomby boi

[limber swan]

yes

[main dust]

I appreciate you calling what I said out - I really should have been far more caring about presenting my thoughts on the Two/Anathema dynamic and your callout did give me a really good chance to actually parse through my real thoughts on them through the post above.

I will say given I have the organic chance to; Fruma is a clear showcase of a maturity of growth within the writing, music and designing team and I have never felt a collective sense of simultaneous skillsets being at the exact same level of understanding the picture that they wanted to present than this - I'm not too tuned into the surrounding continents too much just because I've seen a lot of it before (which isn't a bad thing in the slightest, I'm a sucker for a fantasy world actually) but Fruma caters to a very specific level of taste I have that I have come to greatly love.
I can't actually go around DMing and messaging fifty content team members, that'd be weird and I already did that for Texilated and LuxioCat with deep discomfort but being able to actually talk about Fruma and it's hierarchy structure has been the most growth in my own writing that I've had in my life - you guys invented something that used everything you had around it perfectly making any sour point I could have had with the world add to Fruma itself.

This was an excellent piece of art, and there's still more to come.
It's not often I feel like I am a part of a world in writing just due to self-awareness of whether the characters feel real or the world feels real and while I'm not going to say I love every character ever on the planet I will say that they feel like people that believe in the organisations they're with and that's integral to my care for believing a world like Fruma can exist.

And it can - Fruma is a real, genuine place I could think could be a reality.
Whoever decided a Rubber Tree network was wild - just a random hatpick.

[clear scaffold]

honestly the player being able to keep seeing tasim as a friend, is actually the sweetest

[main dust]

I forgot to reply to this with the fact Hyloch's song is called 'Ignorance is Bliss' and that's a really good point to bring up.

[vagrant imp]

Has anyone paid notice to the “Corruption” leitmotif? Or just the “war” motif.

It’s the motif that plays for the intro of Anni (The messed up jingle), and it’s also audible in the background of the Wartorn Palace raid, during the interlude sections

Makes you wonder if the motif appears anywhere else?

[lavish knot]

Are there seperate cuts of the different leitmotifs in the game?

[slender copper]

Unrelated but, you think that the player character unintentionally speaks visions of the past in their sleep and the resistance members hear it? (Since from a few other side quests, most notably Off the Rails, the player mumbles in their sleep?)

[vagrant imp]

The Player probably mumbles about their adventures throughout the Wynn and Gavel province

Our memories seem long gone by now

We’re… Special.

[brittle prism]

"no drale don't turn me into a cow again"

[slim belfry]

zzzz canned abis
zzzzzzz

[slender copper]

Rex about to wake the player character up:

[unique jungle]

"drale come back"

[vagrant imp]

Rex after accidentally waking the player up when they’re dreaming about Orphion’s Nexus Of Light: 💥
-# Please it was just a spell misfire

[slender copper]

ngl I read this as the player just accidentally blinding Rex with light lmao

[vagrant imp]

I had a gif for this but I was worried it’d actually blind some people LOL

[lavish knot]

Imagine dreaming about nameless anomaly

Also it's kinda funny to think if only after arriving into Fruma the Player actually gets to sleep, no knock outs included

Well, more than anywhere else I mean

[brittle prism]

we have to blend in

[real onyx]

Is there filler for how the events "The missing piece" lead to what happens in the main storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

no becuase it a side quest

[real onyx]

such an unnecessarily long quest

pmo so much

why they make me do so much for some shitty ass xp

Didn't the inquisitors come to arrest sandra what happened

[hybrid gazelle]

they come to investigate

[real onyx]

also why is sandra still young in main storyline compared to her "partner"

[mossy widget]

sandra

[hybrid gazelle]

also it's literally story to expand on Syndra backstory

[mossy widget]

u cant even remember her name gg

[hybrid gazelle]

because uh

uhhh

uhhh They really wanna reference howl's moving castle

either that or Syndra just really into older women

but if you want answer that make sense lore wise

Syndra really into older women

[regal spire]

I thought it was because Syndra was dipping in the fountain with the Queen

[real onyx]

how is sandra not in prison

[regal spire]

She died

[real onyx]

ye she died but I mean in "The missing piece"

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase

you literally with her

what

[mossy widget]

[real onyx]

One of the flashbacks was to years ago when they came to arrest sandra

[hybrid gazelle]

you ltierally meet her in mutiple quest before missing piece 😭😭

[regal spire]

She didn’t do anything “illegal”, really. She just got demoted real bad

[hybrid gazelle]

did oyu do EoC

because EoC explain a lot from Syndra side

[real onyx]

I did but what happened in that quest again

need refresher

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so

Syndra simply just disobey order

she is not arrested

just strip off her rank and title

and send to Auburn as some sort of exile

which later she would be tasked by Zhiraok to infliterate the rebel group there

and boom that how Syndra become what she is

[real onyx]

oh yeah I remember that agreement with zhiraok

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[real onyx]

what did she do in timasca

that got her stripper of her title

[hybrid gazelle]

she work there

she did not arrest Elise

so to keep synda backstory short

Syndra was a roughwork worker

then get transfer somewhere else

[real onyx]

ye ik allat

[hybrid gazelle]

later she become soldier for the crown and climb the rank to be a wing member

later she go assign to arrest her lover which is Elise

[real onyx]

why the guards come for her in the first place in "the missing piece"

[hybrid gazelle]

this is a test of loaylty that Syndra failed

[hybrid gazelle]

because they want to bring her to the citadel

[real onyx]

missed the part where she had to arrest elise

[hybrid gazelle]

to be strip off her rank

[hybrid gazelle]

this explain in EoC

[real onyx]

how tf was I supposed to remember and connect that

[hybrid gazelle]

she said that she would be send off to al ot of assignment after Seilum gone

I

You read and connect the dots

[real onyx]

guess I'm not a good reader then

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[mossy widget]

i mean you did mess up the easiest name in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it Syndra

and Sandra

it with a y

[real onyx]

sendra sandra syntra idgaf

[hasty spoke]

So soverign zero

[real onyx]

my anem is "superpower1997" idgaf bout names brother

[hybrid gazelle]

basically the queen want to test Syndra to see if she is candidate to be soerign of auburn forest after Selium die

[hasty spoke]

(its pronounced Zee rok right and not zero)

[regal spire]

What is the lore behind housing islands

[real onyx]

who tf is selium

[hybrid gazelle]

a past soverign of auburn forest before Zhiraok

he just background lore thing

it not that importnat

he got mention then and there

[real onyx]

did they talk about this dude a lot

[slim belfry]

sheer-oak but the sh- being like jean

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

he got mention quite a lot

[real onyx]

how they supposed to random mention some ppl and you just supposed to pick up and make sense of it

[hybrid gazelle]

because

you not suppose to?

[real onyx]

maths is ezier than this dawg

[hybrid gazelle]

he is not important to the lore

current story at least

[real onyx]

i ain't tryna be a detective playing and enjyoing the game

[hasty spoke]

i remember some NPC saying that or am I insane

[hybrid gazelle]

when did you have to know Selium???

[slim belfry]

never

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont get what you trying to complain here

I just mentioning name to tell the story

[real onyx]

preciate yall filling me in on the lore

guess i need reading comprehension classes

[hasty spoke]

You like finding the equations of ellipses?

[real onyx]

shits easier highkey

[hybrid gazelle]

this is basic world building thing

[real onyx]

shits at least step by step and not out of order

[hybrid gazelle]

they just mentioning random character name to give impression there are more going on behind the scene and before you acme

it make the world more realistic

[real onyx]

ye ig

[hybrid gazelle]

because obviously before Zhiraok, there woul be someone else take in charge

[real onyx]

lore mfs are too smart

[hybrid gazelle]

is that person important to the story?

No