📚lore_discussion

[uneven basin]

The silly cow fanatics were fine ? Idk it was funny to me

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft back then is not take that seriously

so the concept of alien cow that is subvert the trope of like

instead of alien taking cow in their UFO

the cow are the alien

it was pretty funny idea

but fast foward where wynncraft take more seriously

and trying to tell one big story

yeah wocs

wocs just exist there

they are fine but like

IDK I think their introduction in Tunnel trouble can be really odd like you woudl forget about them by the time of Cowfusion

and I also rather have players get used to the setting than to immediently throw in silly stuff

but again personal preference

I am fine with random humor just not when it seemingly disrupting the setting itself

also I have other issue with Tunnel trouble

but for now they make that golem a bootleg

but like

nothing really indicate that?

at least that quest have us introduce to Linton

so at least it got something

[silk ravine]

I just see the wocs as a gag tbh

There’s not much more to them than that

[narrow kestrel]

aledar has telepathy?? wtf

[unique jungle]

whats with the orange wybel

[uneven basin]

Problem to me is that the game tries to make this gag serious with the whole journal thing

[narrow kestrel]

idfk either

😭

i got it from a normal crate

i think its supposed to be referencing something in the game but i either missed it or not there yet

either way, spoilers!

[mossy badge]

Sky islands strucks again!

U should go back smh

[narrow kestrel]

goddamn it

do i really have to do it

im so close to fruma questline

😭

fine i need the exp anyways

[rich stump]

if humans cant own land in gavel, how are the silverbull company there

or are they like.. renting the land

[mossy badge]

The thinker 🤔

[rich stump]

wait are the silverbull company villagers lol

I dont even pay attention to who Im talking to

lmao

[mossy badge]

I wouldn't worry about silverbull "lore" 💀

[mossy badge]

I think they are humans

But well as i said sb lore is fucked

[rich stump]

hm

thats a shame

they should really add some lore instead of the very user-serving element that it is

[mossy badge]

Lore aint getting money tho 🤑

[rich stump]

why arent we properly introduced to them

well yeah but they might get more money if we were actually shown them more

lootrunning, raiding, silverbull.. thats all like.. never explained at all anywhere

could make some intro quests for it, maybe we gotta prove that we can join the ranks

idk

[mossy badge]

True

-# Are we basically saying add more ads about silverbull.. ? 🤒

[rich stump]

like what if instead we could join Wynnexcavation lol, at least we have some context about who it is, there's a lovely multi-part story that can throw us into the beginner ranks of the excavation / cult, etc

not saying that its a good idea, but its just an example

I literally have no idea wtf silverbull is or is on about and idk how to even get info about it

they just appeared

[mossy badge]

Ye..

[rich stump]

but yes basically I am saying integrate it more into the lore so we understand what it is and maybe we'd feel more reason to "join the cause"

idk

its just so disconnected rn

[uneven basin]

Silverbull is so invested in things that are gameplay only that makes It hard to make it into actual lore (raids for example canonically silberbull might be able to invest in the groostlangs but any other ? Big doubt)

[rich stump]

yeah, I see what you mean

I guess my thinking is like

[mystic fulcrum]

need a new option to tell caid about fruma

[muted crypt]

theyre not canon

the silverbull company itself is canon but all of their activities arent

[rich stump]

maybe only the top dogs are trying to defeat canyon colossus, maybe only the veteran excavators are hunting for loot.. there could be lower level quests where theyre just digging around archeology sites or taking down local threats

[brittle prism]

I think they're literally invisible to everyone in wynncraft except you

[muted crypt]

theyre a gameplay feature (silverbull lrs and raids) they dont exist in the lore

dev confirmed

[rich stump]

they could be a world-wide association that helps deal with local issues but only the big guys are trying to do raids (but without success type thing)

thats too bad

[brittle prism]

The train guy who takes you to the west fruma lootrun train station says "a random disused train station? well. you're the boss"

[rich stump]

hm

thats a shame

they could totally be some sort of company that helps preserve artifacts around the world or helps local towns with issues idk

but I get it

easier this way

[muted crypt]

well the company does exist in the lore

[brittle prism]

I mean why would there be a company profiting off of you somehow freeing Orphion from the parasite multiple times

[muted crypt]

and theyre basically rich is all we know

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-jammins-benjammin-benjammins-benjammins-hater-benjammins-haters-gif-12645172429275567895

[brittle prism]

Like

[rich stump]

canonically we never defeat orphion

[mossy badge]

Silverbull

[muted crypt]

but them having raiding and lootrunning divisions isnt canon

[brittle prism]

yea ik

[muted crypt]

canonically we do wdym

[rich stump]

sorry I mean like

[mystic fulcrum]

treat silverbull company as a decoration

[rich stump]

for the silverbull lore, we would never defeat them. like how in Legend of Zelda we never beat Ganon

[muted crypt]

we dont do it multiple times obviously

which is why silverbull raids and lrs cant be made canon

[rich stump]

yeah but all the build up to the raids or LRs can be canon

[muted crypt]

the raid itself is canon

[rich stump]

"we gotta stock up on supplies, we gotta prove that youre gonna be a good member of the company to take down X" could be lore

[muted crypt]

just not the part where silverbull gives us a big chest at the end

[mossy badge]

Why try to add characterization to a system if its not even canon 🤔

[brittle prism]

How would the silverbull company operate globally

[rich stump]

because it feels so gameplay-y

it could be integrated

[brittle prism]

Like

[muted crypt]

because it is gameplay

[rich stump]

wheres the immersion man

[brittle prism]

for fun

[rich stump]

^

[mossy badge]

[brittle prism]

I guess Fruma's government loves silverbull

[rich stump]

honestly I might feel more incentivised to join the silverbull company if I believed in their cause, kinda thing

but I know zilch about them

they dont exist

and its CLEAR that they dont exist

[brittle prism]

Silverbull is the parent company of Wynnex

trust

[rich stump]

see but that I could get behind

if we could work our way up as Wynn excavators

like theres some comedy and lore there

thats something I can dig my teeth into

obviously not apples to apples

but if there was some storyline behind SB

[brittle prism]

Amadel is just John Silverbull's son in law

It's nepotism

[winged narwhal]

Silverbull is the influence of the Beast of Wealth

[mossy badge]

Gambling beast 🤑

[rich stump]

you think the server is that profitable?

I truly wonder the financial state of it

when it was announced I thought maybe it was struggling lol

a necessity not extra monetization

[mossy badge]

How would it be struggling lol

[rich stump]

I have no idea, thats why I said I really wonder

ranks are one-time

do people buy that many crates? bombs?

[mossy badge]

Ye

[rich stump]

I rarely see any SB memberships

[winged narwhal]

I mean have you seen how much people shout

[rich stump]

lol fair, but shouts alone wont hold the server up

[mossy badge]

Which jolly developer came up with the idea of shout bombs, you jolly fella i hope you get a lot of gifts for christmas

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-ohio-respect-foxy-gif-17451501218491172722

[winged narwhal]

Every shout is sixty American cents in Salted’s pocket

[split night]

hey guys

is this cool :>

[brittle prism]

yes

[rich stump]

ya v nice

[mystic fulcrum]

Saphanis should looks like an octopus

[split night]

oh it's a Saphanis design for my AU
she's intentionally look like that

you should check out Trashie's Saphanis design, they did some cool stuff to them

[brittle prism]

Not anymore bud

[mystic fulcrum]

That guy tasim?

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-reverse-smile-ishowspeed-confused-gif-17362243368421867313

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[narrow kestrel]

exactly???

[mossy badge]

lol

[narrow kestrel]

we could have dragged a random bozo from the decrepit sewers

[split night]

hm?

[narrow kestrel]

or nemract tunnels

also i cant believe i fucking got spoiled by an event item

😭

[split night]

what?

huah

[mossy badge]

What event item?

[narrow kestrel]

phantasmal hostage

😭

[uneven basin]

Why didn't we kidnap some homeless guy to sacrifice them in the land of shadow ? Are we stupid?

[mossy badge]

I mean its a pretty obscure reference

[narrow kestrel]

unironically yeah

why were we in such a hurry

😭

[split night]

you actually buy the joke?? xd

[narrow kestrel]

i dont think aledar facetanking everything on the way helped him either

[split night]

didn't you see how easy it is the other two fell?

[narrow kestrel]

we already scouted the area

[split night]

Alphaba got her guts literally stolen

[narrow kestrel]

we can just get the ragni/detlas army there

🤷‍♂️

[split night]

😭

[uneven basin]

It was kinda supposed to be a secret mission

[split night]

You actually believe they stand a chance

[narrow kestrel]

her dumbass walked into that one

lucio too

[narrow kestrel]

elite soldiers can prob be brought in

[uneven basin]

And we're going there against the will of an army commander so so long for that support

[narrow kestrel]

🤷‍♂️

i highly doubt those 3 are the only ones competent enough in ragni

or detlas

[split night]

It's like
Aledar is very elite and he got into near death situation a lot of time
the other 2 just died 10 seconds in Olmic city

[narrow kestrel]

because they walked into it/surprise

[split night]

bringing more people to this suicide mission is like

[narrow kestrel]

we already scouted the area

[split night]

a waste of great soldiers

[narrow kestrel]

tell the soldiers "dont run off lol" and they'll be fine

[uneven basin]

I mean I guess we could've turned back in lutho ?

[split night]

Scouted doesn't mean we eliminated the threats 😭

like

the obsessors literally appear and disappear when it take Lucio

[narrow kestrel]

we dont even know if elphaba/lucio got mogged because of ambush or just weak

😭

both cases they walked into it

[split night]

you can't really know when the Obsessor actually come or not

[uneven basin]

And then snuck back into the expanse with tasim and a bunch of homeless sacrifices to be sure one of them survives until the end ? Isn't that extremely fucked up ?

[narrow kestrel]

hiding the existence of a very fucked up place that will probably affect the entire province from the public sounds more fucked up to me

[split night]

the fact that we canonically have to protech Aledar in the cart through waves of monsters just to get to Lutho already prove how densely packed the danger is in SE

not to mention that you can't even damage most of them without getting cleansed

[narrow kestrel]

only had to do that because he ALSO got caught offguard

[uneven basin]

It's already affecting the province tbf

[narrow kestrel]

who knew going in blind would open yourselves up to threats 🤯

[narrow kestrel]

not that much at that point

its seeping through the mines

ig

but other places still seem fine for now

[split night]

How are you expecting the location of creatures that can might as well teleport to your location 😭

I imagine the "living mass" near the toxic waste just like, eat the whole army when they get pass Lutho

[uneven basin]

We're too lucky in ajb, we should get jumped by eldritch monstrosities so we feel less like our team is a bunch of chumps and more like we are all in deep shit

[split night]

The ground, the ground itself near Lutho at Toxic Waste is living

It can eat and digest people, so like

even if the army can get pass Olmic city and Eye Forest

They would have to avoid mouth opening out of nowhere and eat them like a full course buffet meal

and then what
the endgoal is that we sacrifies someone else instead of Aledar 😭
it's so weird and messed up

[uneven basin]

I feel there's an argument to be made on how the silent expanse Doesn't feel dangerous enough

[split night]

in the gameplay perspective yeah

[uneven basin]

I get more trouble traversing aelumia than the toxic wastes

Need more fool eater type events methinks

[split night]

because Aelumia enemies were made to like
be the new Endgame enemies, and designed with our ability tree in mind

so they are definitely harder

[uneven basin]

Oh no I don't disagree it's just gameplay wise when se was the top dog I didn't feel as endangered as I do walking the streets of the citadel

Even pre rekindled and I'm not that goated

[split night]

Yeah I agree on that front xd

I'm all in for them to make SE more dangerous, so like
no one would assume that they can just storm in SE with an army

[hybrid gazelle]

they should reuse tha big worm model

and modify a bit to make it a giant ass tentacle of the organism

[split night]

Make SE scary

[muted crypt]

i mean ur supposed to feel unsafe thats why the citadel has a safezone

[split night]

like we need actual eyeball model for the trees

[uneven basin]

Be cool if it slapped us and aledar make ajf feel less like baby sitting

[muted crypt]

considering theyve started using models for the environment in fruma we could def see that

or what about shit like ozoth

[hybrid gazelle]

I hate how

everything that make AJB/AJF memorable

is everything wrong with it

[split night]

😭

[uneven basin]

Oh I agree it accomplishes what it's supposed to feel like way better than SE thats my point

[hybrid gazelle]

death are so comedic yet too funny to change

Aledar cart is too memorable yet it literally the most popular meme of the community

[split night]

I think they need to be changed so it can fit the seriousness of such quests

like

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like if they going to rework AJB/AJF

it going to be second coming of "there is no war behind Fruma wall" removal

[split night]

imagine if Syndra's death was comedic in Fruma

[warm flicker]

my very first time in SE was terrifying, i loved it

[muted crypt]

they shouldve kept that tbh

it fits so well bc yk, War

[hybrid gazelle]

I am not even going to humor that

SE could be terrifying on intital shock value

but like

[muted crypt]

there is no War behind fruma walls

[hybrid gazelle]

it just shock value

you cant really hinge a story on that alone

[warm flicker]

got more terrifying when i encountered a form deceiver for the first time

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but that outside of AJB and AJF

so we do not count that LOL

[warm flicker]

oh and when i got killed by the fool eater

[hybrid gazelle]

they are not part of the quest

The encouter itself is not part of the quest

NGL

if SE was made today

each region probably get like one quests

as questline btw

[muted crypt]

thats like 3 quests

[hybrid gazelle]

4 quests actually for main storyline

[warm flicker]

i NEED more olm lore PLEASE

[uneven basin]

Let's keep in mind se kinda small

[hybrid gazelle]

not including side quest

it absolutely not small

it just feel like it is cause the quest have us breeze through the region

For some reason

[uneven basin]

Compared to the footprint it has the actual explorable space feels small

[hybrid gazelle]

because most of the space is dead space

like literally

[split night]

Oh my boat, like Actually imagining this
We and Aledar have to fight weird obsessor thing in Olmic City and have to like hide in some kind of house and set up a camp as the end of the first SE quest

it would be so cool

[hybrid gazelle]

4 quests would allow them to develop some character a bit before killign them off

[split night]

SE is as big as Fruma without the wasteland

[hybrid gazelle]

but like

it is what is is

[warm flicker]

extend AJF/AJB to make us more familiar with the surrounding biomes

[hybrid gazelle]

AJB/AJF likely will stay 2 part quests

Olmic city is such nothing region in the end

because there is

THERE IS NO CAVE

there is no fucking cave

[uneven basin]

I'll pull up the map and see if I can make a better argument later x)

[hybrid gazelle]

there is no dialogue

like

what hte point

[warm flicker]

LORE

[split night]

no need

[uneven basin]

Akshually there's then spooky keys that open olmic caches

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but

[split night]

same size, if we don't count the wasteland

[hybrid gazelle]

that not a cave

[split night]

the fact that Fruma have like 16 quests and SE have like 3 😭

[uneven basin]

Lots of that size is mountains, plus whole eo + portal portion has barely anything

[hybrid gazelle]

well bh SE also got this

Whatever this region is

like

whatever this thing is

[split night]

literal dead space

like

there's no reason for it to exist

[narrow kestrel]

we genuinely need a conversation about parkour courses in fucking dungeons

this is pmo

[uneven basin]

See thats what I mean theres so much dead space in there xD

[split night]

i FUCKING hate that parkour

[uneven basin]

Oh boy

[split night]

genuinely the worst parkour in the game

[uneven basin]

The ROL of parkour

[hybrid gazelle]

EO is bad dungeon from narative wise but nobody talk about it because it like the only good dungeon in this game

beside Timelost

meet the potential antagonist

[narrow kestrel]

??

the fucking

parkour

sucks

[radiant harbor]

They did nothing with the Eye...

[narrow kestrel]

the only dungeon i enjoy is GG

[hybrid gazelle]

That parkour has build up personal relationship dynamic than player with the eye

[narrow kestrel]

because the minigames are actually somewhat fun

[hybrid gazelle]

that fucking parkour

is more of an antagonist

than the eye

[warm flicker]

huh i actually like EO, especially the boss fight

[hybrid gazelle]

they should just make the eyeone big parkour

I am not talk about boss fight i Just saying how like

the way the dungeon layout

it does nothing with the eye

[narrow kestrel]

and ofc mage players get to skip this shit again with teleport

[hybrid gazelle]

so the eye just feel like the big obstacle wall rather than being build up by the dungeon

[narrow kestrel]

jesus christ i hope mage gets their entire kit gutted

[hybrid gazelle]

cause AJB/AJF dioes fucking nothing to do it

[uneven basin]

I expect it to gain in importance with Wynne rework

[proven pine]

it's easier to just do the parkour than to navigate those barriers with teleport

[hybrid gazelle]

but to be fair

nobody really talk about it

because none of the dungeons fucking do it

[narrow kestrel]

you can teleport

[hybrid gazelle]

the closet thing is that Timelost

[narrow kestrel]

?

[split night]

i saw someone skip the entire parkour somehow

[proven pine]

barrier block

[hybrid gazelle]

actually no

[narrow kestrel]

teleport platform by platform

[hybrid gazelle]

most dungeon just have boss talking mad shit about you

[mossy badge]

Barriers

[narrow kestrel]

if you try to skip to the end, well yeah

[uneven basin]

They put barriers but you can follow the parkour track if you got the mana

[narrow kestrel]

^

[warm flicker]

time isnt the only thing lost, i cant find any narrative

[proven pine]

just do the parkour atp

[narrow kestrel]

and you will

!

mage players are so fucking lazy holy shit

nerf warp

[proven pine]

bro if you need to use warp to do that parkour you might be the lebron james of skill issue

[hybrid gazelle]

50+ years and we aint getting timelost quest

and this point I just expecting dungeon rework

than timelost

I think timelost is fine it just dungeon fundementally flawed

that the only way to fix it is remake it

[uneven basin]

We're just wrecking ancient history for the love of the game

[hybrid gazelle]

name one dungeon boss with actual aura

like name fucking one

[split night]

we just break into someone house and destroy his furnitures and workplace

[hybrid gazelle]

it's a curse

[narrow kestrel]

the fun part is looking down and following the glowstone

and still falling because you cant see Y level

[warm flicker]

same reasoning as breaking into hashr's tomb ig

[signal bough]

Joaquin is 'Wa-keen'

[hybrid gazelle]

Hashr not get rework

cause nobody care about Hashr

[warm flicker]

the Eye?

[uneven basin]

At least we got kingdom of send wich is a pretty cool quest

[hybrid gazelle]

hard carry by fanstatic voyage

the non SE quest

[split night]

when was the last time you guys even walk to the desert genuinely xd
i always skip it if i get a new class

[narrow kestrel]

is the parkour autoskip mechanic here

[hybrid gazelle]

that probably the funniest shit

[warm flicker]

helped by the EO key guardian dialogue

[muted crypt]

hard carry by even the UI of the game

eye has aura

[uneven basin]

The fruman council did :v

[hybrid gazelle]

oaky but you aint gonna find EO key guardian because you probably going to like

enter EO them oment you get the key from doing AJF

[proven pine]

eye gains aura in retrospect

[hybrid gazelle]

also if your entire fucking aura relying on like

random mobs spawn which is your guardian key

[radiant harbor]

Theorick is goated

[hybrid gazelle]

then you are fucked

[proven pine]

like once you know it exists its just everywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

HE would have aura if he did not open his mouth during his dungeon

[muted crypt]

and also once you learn it’s just an eye

[hybrid gazelle]

"OMG STEP AWAY... I AM TURNING INTO MY DARKEST SIDE....."

most of dungeon boss would not lost aura if they did not open their mouth"

becuase they are cornballs

[narrow kestrel]

is there anything good in EO

[muted crypt]

no

[narrow kestrel]

i dont wanna grind this shit

[radiant harbor]

The theme

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont even think that the eye specifically

seeing the queen

[narrow kestrel]

fuckass dungeon

[proven pine]

morph the nothing

[hybrid gazelle]

Eye visual motif is just the realms stuff itself

[radiant harbor]

The Nothing is good with morph

[hybrid gazelle]

and not necessery the eye

so aura loss

[mossy badge]

I love doing eo 7 times for t13 tools 🤑

[hybrid gazelle]

fuck that

[mossy badge]

W profs

[muted crypt]

if fruma was made in 2019 thered be corrupted sandswept tomb guardians spawning in the citadel

[hybrid gazelle]

bro entire aura hinge on the fact that it relying on the motif of its larger whole than itself

I am crying

LMAOOOOO

[split night]

t13 tools 😔

[narrow kestrel]

3 stx to whoever does this shit for me

😍

[warm flicker]

thats not what im saying - its an addition, but its not everything. The Eye has been referred to in fantastic voyage and AJB

[muted crypt]

its aura also hinges on being scary asl compared to everything else we fight

[warm flicker]

TWP wouldve been a dungeon

[narrow kestrel]

some of these jumps are tighter than my asshole

looking straight down doesnt cut it

its not exact

😭

[split night]

repeatedly torturing yourself by playing this shit 7 times is not worth it 😭
i rather grind raids and buy the tools off of trade market

[proven pine]

do you have particles turned on

[narrow kestrel]

yes

[muted crypt]

with dungeon shop items that arent usable in a single build

[narrow kestrel]

i can see the red dot

and thats what im talking about

theres a noticeable delay + like i said, looking straight down isnt exact

[proven pine]

are you running like -50 walk speed

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure the reason they use the eyes as interconnect motif between dark and light

because conceptually

both dark and light are capable of blinding you in one way or another

even War have eye in its motif

[muted crypt]

im still wondering why the queen has so much eye symbolism

[hybrid gazelle]

like

the queen

[narrow kestrel]

??? im running air spec trickster

[hybrid gazelle]

THe fruma Queen

look at her

[narrow kestrel]

funnily enough i think having movement speed here is throwing

[hybrid gazelle]

because eyes are motif for infleunce in general

[narrow kestrel]

because some of these gaps are genuinely unplayable

[hybrid gazelle]

this include War, Dark, and Light

it not just Dark

[narrow kestrel]

like. if paranoia proc'd randomly for me i'd just fall

[hybrid gazelle]

it apply to all 3

[muted crypt]

ig just being watched

by entities beyond your comprehension

[hybrid gazelle]

Light itself would have more eye motif if they did not fuck over ROL

[warm flicker]

eyes have been associated with omniscience, seeing and knowing everything (just look at the pinkertons logo)

[slender copper]

The best way I found doing the park core is looking completely down and using your curser as a guide to where you are standing.

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah which relate to Light and Dark

and byproduct War because they are creation of those 2

[muted crypt]

youd think light could have the most Eyes considering the angelic depictions

[hybrid gazelle]

there like

only one mob in NOL with that

[muted crypt]

they couldve done more with that

[narrow kestrel]

???

i literally just said

[uneven basin]

there's the thing in apotheosis too

[narrow kestrel]

the cursor isnt exact

[muted crypt]

i think orphions true form is gonna be some giant eye thing

[radiant harbor]

That's a genuine skill issue man, it is pretty precise

[muted crypt]

the deerfox is just to get us to trust it

[narrow kestrel]

you know it adjusts with you falling right?

[hybrid gazelle]

you mean ensemble

but yeah that exist

[muted crypt]

it even plays into the whole “big dog” thing when it lets you pet it

and even pushes its head into your hand

[split night]

Orphion is so ass at being competent that he have to play pretend at being our pet 😭

[muted crypt]

or maybe he is competent just playing us again

[warm flicker]

master plan, or genuinely stupid

[slender copper]

Oh, I thought you meant the red particle which disappears at one of the last/highest parkcore sections. My mistake.

[split night]

nothing can save him from the fact that he let the parasite on him for hundreds of years and not leting Lari in to like, fling it off

[uneven basin]

I never considered orphion playing "dog" as a form of manipulation that'sreally cool

[uneven basin]

lari could never

[muted crypt]

i mean he can presumably take any form he wants and i def think thats why he chose the dog

[uneven basin]

fire theory

[split night]

does this mean we get cute owl Saphanis

[clear scaffold]

i wonder if there'll be a fight where we go against orphion properly

[muted crypt]

prob bc lari being so pure would see through his lies

[clear scaffold]

not a trying to drive the parasite off him but an actual "oh boy trying to kill us"

[muted crypt]

if he let her know too much

[muted crypt]

imma assume not. unless we are a realm beast ourselves theres no way we equal his power

[muted crypt]

Saphanis is more blunt and less manipulative so no

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion realize that he could never be smart enough to be a geniune and threatening villains that people would respect

[muted crypt]

saphanis will appear as the monstrosity it is

[hybrid gazelle]

so he decide to be a puppy to get at least some likable point

[clear scaffold]

to be fair i'm going with the logic we'd have allies

not a raid but actual like allies we met in quests who are a bit more on the power difference

[muted crypt]

we just KILLED our best chance bro

she was trying to save us. we are kinda stupid

[split night]

his roar can literally obliterate us
imagine that he actually direct it at us and not doing it at random because of the parasite

just his roar, i remind you that

[clear scaffold]

the queen managed that situation poorly

[muted crypt]

only if you view it from the lense of human morality

[signal bough]

ur honor, the queen was icky

[hybrid gazelle]

geniunely such pathetic character that even writer forgot about him when writing ROL

[muted crypt]

from the broader lense she was trying to keep the world from ruin

[clear scaffold]

no she did just kinda manage the entire player situation poorly

[split night]

Her's Majesty is like, she's more of an anti hero than a villain
she sure have good goals but her methods are ass

that's why i love her

she's so complex

[clear scaffold]

actually that roar is pretty avoidable even if it was meant for the player

granted i don't know if you'd ever be attacking him with how much he'd use it

[radiant harbor]

Yes, but we didn't even have the chance to confront her before it was too late

[clear scaffold]

kinda like player could easily dodge it, player probably can't easily dodge it and attack him

[split night]

because the parasite cast it at random
like
you know how when you get Overtaken by the parasite
you cast your spell at random, and at random direction?

so imagine Orphion is like us but can freely move and do anything he wants without being controlled

[muted crypt]

interesting though

the parasite is only known to latch to realm beasts

we never see it do so to anyone else

[uneven basin]

it latches onto us mid fight

[muted crypt]

exactly

[clear scaffold]

even if it was directed the player could still dodge it. it'd just be a case of you are not doing anything without help. remember it followed the same logic when killing the parasite.

[split night]

I wish she could have a happy ending
but the consequence of her action has driven far enough that she became unforgivable

all of this just for a chance of being in heaven a little longer

[uneven basin]

i get the feeling we have too little a frame of reference here

[muted crypt]

possibly. maybe it’s just a bug. but im putting it as another possible point towards player realm beast theory

[clear scaffold]

i could see bob and lari and a few others helping the player in the really stupid war against the equivalent of gods.

[split night]

Just his roar is deadly man 😭
with freewill he can obliterate us if he cast all of his shit in a cycle like us

[signal bough]

did the Queen have any reason to not provide technology to wynn, especially when Corkus had discovered electromagic equivalents already?

[hybrid gazelle]

because those technology

are for her empire

[signal bough]

cause there's two places where you can get gunned down by a machine gun

[split night]

like asking America to share all their tech knownledge with the world

[muted crypt]

orphion mentions that saphanis has gotten much stronger lately, stronger than possible for saphanis alone. someone is helping saphanis and I think it may be Bob

[hybrid gazelle]

by sharing technology with other province

[clear scaffold]

bob has no reason to.

[hybrid gazelle]

mean that she sharing part of Fruma or even a secrect of Fruma

that the queen would not want that

[split night]

the Bak'al in question

[clear scaffold]

yeah

[muted crypt]

bakal is a random

[clear scaffold]

bob went hunting for the dern beast to fight

[primal anchor]

-_-

[muted crypt]

maybe he changed in there

[split night]

Bob working for Saphanis is not only a crazy theory but also a weird ass plot point if it is in a story 😭

[clear scaffold]

Honestly, i doubt it.

[muted crypt]

unless he’s still 1v1ing it to this day

[primal anchor]

bob is living it up in nol he's retired

[split night]

Like pink diamond working for the diamond authority

[signal bough]

yeah, which def is wrong. Could've helped the corruption war a lot, although for some reason, the Queen isn't that concerned about growing War influence as opposed to Dark or Light 🤔

[clear scaffold]

i honestly expect by the time we meet bob, we'll be as powerful as him with our selected class.

[radiant harbor]

The raid final boss says dern became stronger "for the better part of two decades", and that coincides with bob's departure

[muted crypt]

do u think Orphion is talking about Bakal then?

[split night]

She is concerned, that's why the recruit program exist

[uneven basin]

queen sees fruma as her personal corner of the physical plane, the rest of the world is not her problem / concern

[signal bough]

it's a trickle of aid as opposed to a possible flood

[uneven basin]

the recruit program is here cause she hates her realm

[hybrid gazelle]

the queen is not rational character

[clear scaffold]

actually bob disappeared just under two decades.

[muted crypt]

I mean I assume orphion saw bakal already, but he still mentions that he doesnt know what is making saphanis so powerful

[signal bough]

definitely

[clear scaffold]

like 14 years

wait no 16 just checked

[primal anchor]

||anathema|| be like look how horrible it is that the beasts are fighting. it ruined my life and im so sad. don't let one of them win though wouldnt want that

[clear scaffold]

better part of two decades would normally mean closer to 30 years

[uneven basin]

anathema does too after we got rid of the parasite iirc

[split night]

The parasite thing is surely what empowered Saphanis, and it exist for at least 200 years so

[radiant harbor]

Are you sure? (English is not my first language)

[muted crypt]

the parasite existed BECAUSE saphanis was more powerful

[split night]

decade = 10 years

[split night]

yes for at least 200 year ago

[muted crypt]

parasite was only able to reach the nexus because something empowered saphanis

[split night]

Bob wasn't even alive then

[radiant harbor]

"for the better part of two decades" could also mean 15 to 20 years

[clear scaffold]

i feel like bob's only way to make the beast more powerful

would be captured

which arguably would make sense.

[muted crypt]

whatever is going on w saphanis is related to Bob. either he’s being used somehow or he is working with saphanis

[clear scaffold]

i wouldn't be surprised if the player's encounter with bob is when it's just two power houses after the player breaks him out

because i'd like to point out, the player by fruma is probably only as strong as bob in the one class they picked.

[split night]

The thing is like, this feel a lot like the old theories about RoL4 when it first came out and stuff

[clear scaffold]

While bob is apparently a master of all classes (bar shaman)

[split night]

we're being literally left in the dark about what is going on in the Realm of Dark rn xd

it's like, us trying to theorize dark matter

[mossy badge]

W bob
L shaman

W rainbow slap

[muted crypt]

anyone think just the name Saphanis seems to be the opposite of Orphion with the prefixes and suffixes

Or vs Sa, ion vs anis

[split night]

I thought it was a really cool name

[hybrid gazelle]

it so hard to like try to make goelm an actual character

IDK gotta figure out some how

[split night]

That thing look like a tank and there is one person operate inside of it

absolute war machine xd

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it just

trying to figure out how far I can go with golem

[split night]

do you like hedgehog, fox dragon Orphion design

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it pretty nice

[frozen sonnet]

I was just wondering, is there a specific reason why the medallions in the mistwoods are such an important thing? like, in concept they're good, and the fact that they're wooden and therefore can be burned so they cant be stolen is good thinking, but what really stops a changeling from just... making their own? we know the changeling in burning bonds knows how to make their own, but what stops them from just... doing it?

[hybrid gazelle]

likely that making madallion is very gatekept within the commyunity

so maybe that why burning bond is special because it a changeling finally figure out how to make madallion

[split night]

the method and the resources of which required to make such medallions is quite complicated and lengthy so it's not surprising that it took them that long to have one figured out how to make one

and they can't even make it themselve, they relied on us to do it

[regal spire]

The exact design of a medallion is very specific, already requiring a bunch of necessary ingredients to even get a base down. It’s implied that the design you make isn’t easy to replicate, and is generally a two man job, which I’d assume is a pretty difficult thing to figure out, if you’re a weird baby shapeshifter who can’t even get human dialogue down right

[signal bough]

surely the fruman govt can have humans make more

if they know how

[regal spire]

Mistwoods is canonically really difficult to traverse, and basically abandoned

Doubt the fruman government even monitors the medallion system consistently enough to keep track of all the specific intricacies in the design

[rugged trench]

How is silver bull in fruma I thought it was a gavellelian company?

[signal bough]

where do the patrols spawn

[regal spire]

Only on the roads leading to Highlands, Deraj, and the Fort

There will be stragglers, but never groups

They’ve barely even been able to set up outposts, since they always get sabotaged

And, destroying the area wouldn’t help, because they need a facility to train their changelings to the best of their ability

What better place to test spies than in a completely unlivable area full of rebels

[drifting aurora]

?

[split night]

silverbull is a the realm of Capitalism beast

of course they would be here

[mossy badge]

Is that the cow the bovemists worship? 🗣️

⛵

[split night]

( But joke aside, all Silverbull camps are not canon so dw about it )

[signal bough]

is capitalism the real omnipotent god in wynncraft?

[rough flower]

im so confused how do you even do the strong survive quest I cant find the wiki page

[signal bough]

wynn and gavel seem to be part of the same lucrative trade system

[mossy badge]

Wdym how do u even do 😭

[rough flower]

im stuck on it

[mossy badge]

What part

[rough flower]

it wants me to unscrew the vent and I cant find the handle. Im also finding diary pages all around idk if thats important

[mossy badge]

The diary pages are an optional secret thing

[rough flower]

oh

[mossy badge]

Do u not see the little gears?

[rough flower]

it says maybe if it had a handle it could

am I just blind

[mossy badge]

Oh

Its in the kitchen

[rough flower]

ok ill go look there

okay yea I found it ty

I didnt even know the kitchen existed

[hybrid gazelle]

We were talking about if two remembering if Two know the full story behind the first openning of the portal or not

Since Bencrab is asked why can’t we just ask her

[drifting aurora]

yes i know

im ? that specific message

[mossy badge]

Misinformation 🤑

[hybrid gazelle]

Assuming that what Gale studying for the transcriber

The whole rune stuff in her diary

I though it imply that Gale would be the one who would help the queen with resonance weaver

So I take it as Two does not necessery know much about old fruman to help the queen in these stuff

Since if she does then I feel like it two would be entrust on these stuff rather than having Nasin raising someone to help her

Wait know I think Gale just said she habe to study these strange writing

[mossy badge]

🤯

[hybrid gazelle]

I might have misread it

I was under impression that the Nasin house directly have Gale studying the runes stuff but it seems like it not

Wait wtf Therr are more? I could have swore last time I check it does not go tjis far

[signal bough]

yeah it discusses majin and her interactions with him

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes I am aware

I just did not aware there are more info about her having transcribe

I might have accidentally skip it on my read

[supple walrus]

Do we know anything about Rex’s brother?

[split night]

yeah we do

[supple walrus]

My prediction during the quest is that her brother is Aledar

[split night]

we all do 😔
but dw, her brother is living a happy life sailing on the sea

unless you want me to say who it is, you can kind of figure it out on yourself?
idk who even was the first one to figure it out, it's pretty hard stuff

[supple walrus]

Just tell me

[split night]

Caid is her brother

the guy with the shrunken ship in Recover the Past

[supple walrus]

Oh

Ah

I kind of forgot that he existed

[split night]

well he became relevant again

xd

[ember coyote]

waw got to this part

boss was annoying tho

[supple walrus]

Also i now have 8 pages of the funni tablet stone ancient fruman thingy transcribed

I know people have probably done it already

But I wanted to do some myself

[narrow kestrel]

can these devs stop making these gimmicky ass quests

pitch black room where you cant see where to go

very nice

[uneven basin]

Are you doing point of no return ?

[narrow kestrel]

yes

after the dropper part

i follow the soul right

it tp

me

but im still in the same room + i take fall damage

sooo what now

😂

[uneven basin]

Uuuuuuuuh brute force ? Black concrete is especially fucky in this quest xd

[narrow kestrel]

buggy ass quest is what it is

💀

you';d think they'd atleast put extra attention to the gimmick quests they make

this shit is so buggy

[split night]

Fruma will be worth it

xd

[rustic nexus]

point of no return mentioned

shame how that quest seems to always break in some way

[split night]

It's a good quest that show the seperation between us and our Character
it filled with bugs sadly

[slender copper]

Hopefully that quest gets revisited in a future update because it's one of my favorites regarding lore.

[regal spire]

SE rework inbound within Wastelands update fr

Would it be unreasonable to assume that jumping into the void surrounding the sky islands would lead you directly to the inhabited void islands below?

Or, does the void have some kind of current that pushes and moves you around

[uneven basin]

Jumping into the right hole in SE takes you to the ahms void so I would assume yes

[regal spire]

Which one is that

[uneven basin]

Otherworldly occurrence SD

[regal spire]

Never realized they were Ahms specific

They just looked like general grey void islands

[uneven basin]

Well yeah but this kind of void Island is only seen in ahms could be elsewhere tho

Anyways even if you fell from the sky islands to the void ones gravity should kill you It sure didn't spare the submarine

[shy hemlock]

now that i think about it, it must be really weird for someone to break into fruma from wynn for the leaves gang. Like imagine your whole life the whole world you know is four regions and then someone comes from outside where your home is a mere small corner piece of a giant world

i want to take Rex to Gavel

[silk ravine]

I’m really hoping we do get to see more of the Fruma gang and see them in Wynn/Gavel

Specifically Sui, Rex, Yusanu and the remaining Sovereigns

The canopy too although they probably aren’t leaving Fruma

[dim plover]

Wait are you sure
The island doesn’t look anything like the Ahms ones

[uneven basin]

It's the ones we pass by on the way to what's probably dern

[slim belfry]

I'm pretty sure rebel groups are aware of wynn
only the common populace are unaware

[dim plover]

Oh you mean those

[dim plover]

Dern?

Are you saying the Otherworldly Occurrence island we land on is supposed to be a part of Dern or smth

[uneven basin]

The nether portal we go through kinda indicates that to me

[dim plover]

Wait why does the nether portal indicate that

I figured that if it was Dern then we would have exited via a portal that looks like the Dern Portal

[slim belfry]

is it because of gateway portal and war portal with the nether blocks

[shy hemlock]

Soosu And Z would go ham in Corkus

[dim plover]

I wonder if post-Wartorn Palace Fruma will finally open their doors to the outside and let its citizens explore the world beyond

And also allow in trade from other provinces

[shy hemlock]

they’d prob work with Corkus

[dim plover]

They’ll be flashbanged by all the stuff that they’ve never seen in their lives

[shy hemlock]

closest neighbours and they are also originating from Fruma

The only sovereign to leave Fruma excluding Tasim is probably Two

[slim belfry]

from wynn to gavel is already something now imagine fruma to gavel

[shy hemlock]

Or rather

Two is probably the only one

[hushed zinc]

itd probably take a bit but yeah

[slim belfry]

entire province of magic creatures and plants

[shy hemlock]

I wanna see Sui in Nesaak

[dim plover]

I want tons and tons of traders (both villagers and humans) to pour into the province and for tourism to spike and have everyone just see these outsiders and almost every single one of them uses magic casually as if it’s the most normal thing in the world

[slim belfry]

Selium went to the Ragni king to start the recruit program

[hushed zinc]

average fruma citizen walking around Wynn and seeing weak zombies instead of super powerful wildlife

[shy hemlock]

ah right

Well that isnt too far

there literally is a cave from highlands to ragni

[dim plover]

Countless flying ships in the skies of Fruma just constantly coming in and leaving because it’s one of the best ways to enter the province from how closed off it is

[uneven basin]

Just the fact we take a portal back instead of a void hole plus it's weird appearance plus the fact that there's already a void island discovery leads me to think that

[dim plover]

Wait how do either of those imply Dern

I don’t get it

[warm flicker]

i think its more like "Fruma is lying about Wynn, it cant be what theyre saying it is (desolate land full of undead)", they arent really aware of the specifics of Wynn tho

[shy hemlock]

What is the difference between the void beneath the sky islands and dern

[dim plover]

Also technically we do enter Dern via a void hole I’m pretty sure

Unless they changed the lore somehow

[shy hemlock]

They seem somewhat similar?

[dim plover]

Dern is a realm, for one

[shy hemlock]

well obviously

[dim plover]

And the void is the space outside of realms

[shy hemlock]

ah

[dim plover]

Basically like

[shy hemlock]

Wait so is void the edge of the physical plane

ah

[slim belfry]

ah right only that "there are people living outside"

[shy hemlock]

So if you fell off the void you could go to the plane of influence?

theorically?

what if you missed, would you fall for eternity

[slim belfry]

that's what the light portal is

[dim plover]

The void is defined as absolute nothingness

It’s basically the lack of reality

[shy hemlock]

isnt that just a chunk of light inside the physical plane

[dim plover]

Not exactly easy to travel across non-reality

[warm flicker]

if u survive falling through the void and your physical state is compatable with the realms of influence, maybe

[slim belfry]

the realm of light is NOT in the physical plane
it's an influence within the void

[shy hemlock]

like, arent Realm of Light and Silent Expanse are just the planes of influence creeping in

Oh?

[dim plover]

Silent Expanse is part of Earth though

[shy hemlock]

by that i mean orphion and dern beast

[dim plover]

The Realm of Light is part of the Plane of Influence

[shy hemlock]

well then

[uneven basin]

Okay so basically,
-the different appearance and link to void holes is reminiscent of the blueshift archipelago, a part of dern.
-Since there already is a discovery telling us about the void I assume they wouldn't have made another one saying the same thing

• taking a portal is usually reserved for realms (war / og light)

to keep going on the SD I think it's supposed to tie in the blueshift archpelago / TNE so it would make sense that the island (if it even is an island I don't rememebr if we see the edges) is in dern

[dim plover]

The 3 Realms of Influence that we know of make up the Plane of Influence

Our own world (reality, basically) makes up the Physical Plane

We have travelled to the Plane of Influence on several occasions

Realm of Light is obvious

We also traveled to the Realm of War in ||Wartorn Palace||

[shy hemlock]

Wartorn Palace and Nameless Anomaly?

[dim plover]

Yeah

[shy hemlock]

ye

[dim plover]

And we went to Dern in TNA

[shy hemlock]

Is there a need to spoiler at this point

[dim plover]

Idk lol

[shy hemlock]

its been out for like, a month

[slim belfry]

wish the wiki spoilers can be gone too

[shy hemlock]

What do we count the portal to the demon in Dwarves and Doguns

[dim plover]

That’s fair

[slim belfry]

uhhhhhhh

[warm flicker]

i thought TNA we went to a part of the Void, not Dern

[slim belfry]

well you see

[dim plover]

If the island was part of Dern I would expect it to look like the TNA islands though

[slim belfry]

we don't know what the heck is going on with demons

[shy hemlock]

haha. Plane of demons incoming

third plane

[dim plover]

Well I guess it does actually

[shy hemlock]

post dern

[dim plover]

Nevermind ignore my message

[dim plover]

Got confirmed by CT, the Blueshift Archipelago is Dern’s edge

It’s like Dern’s shoreline

[split night]

We did went to the void, what
the subtext in the raid literally said that it's the void

[shy hemlock]

Where is the Blueshift Archipelago again

[split night]

unless it's mismatching between the ingame thing and the lore context again

[dim plover]

Edge of Dern

[shy hemlock]

void? TNA?

no i mean when do we go there

[dim plover]

It’s the collection of islands that we play the TNA raid on

[shy hemlock]

ah ic

i havent read the lore messages in TNA

cuz i dont want to leave the party waitin

[dim plover]

Wiki

[shy hemlock]

tru

[dim plover]

But it’s fine it’s hard to decipher anyway

Some people think that void is outer space but outer space is technically a part of the Physical Plane

It’s still reality so it’s within it

[shy hemlock]

it would be cool if we had to go into dern through the realm of light

travel through the realms of influence to reach Dern

[slim belfry]

I now think space is "nothing within the physical plane" like void

[shy hemlock]

but ||saphanis|| would probably get straight to the point and take us in tbh

[slim belfry]

okay that is what space is by definition but meh something to point out

[shy hemlock]

its prob the area between physical plane and void like what blueshift is

the edge of physical plane

[warm flicker]

huh, Blueshift Archipelago on the border of Dern proper and the Void

[slim belfry]

yes

it also makes sense logical speaking

[warm flicker]

i wonder if it can serve as a potential route into Dern, though not sure what state its in post-TNA

[shy hemlock]

I wonder if anything significant lurks in the void

[shy hemlock]

What point does TNA even serve in the story

Post AJF feels more like gameplay than story

[slim belfry]

my proportional space theory

The TNA portal leading to the edge of dern also being near the dern portal makes me think that points within the realm of influence translates to points within the physical plane

[unique cedar]

How huge do yall think Dern will be

surely not as big as a province

[shy hemlock]

prob somewhere between wynn and fruma

is what i’d assume

[unique cedar]

that would be crazy

[shy hemlock]

but most of it would be dead and barren

[warm flicker]

the size of Rooster Island 🔥

[shy hemlock]

So it would be big but feel smaller

[unique cedar]

I knew cluckes was the dern beast all along

[slim belfry]

tbh I think it'd be half of wynn since it grew stronger

[shy hemlock]

what could dern even have inside

like i doubt there is any civilization or anything in there

[unique cedar]

dark realm flora and fauna

SE 2.0

[shy hemlock]

Well yeah but how big could that be

I guess RoL doesnt explore it much either

RoL needs to be done justice

[unique cedar]

I feel like it could be slightly bigger

and have more caves

I know the reasoning is that it's weakened by the dark

but still

[shy hemlock]

tbh with how fruma quality is, a Gavel Re-Reborn could be done

heh

Same goes for Wynn

[unique cedar]

Wynn will prob be first

[shy hemlock]

i’d rather see Wynn and Gavel updated than see Dern

[unique cedar]

Dern in 2038 🔥

[shy hemlock]

Sixth class when

give me bard

[unique cedar]

I'm more interested in revamping wynn

[shy hemlock]

I joined Wynncraft around like a year before Spellbound

[unique cedar]

all those old towns getting the justice they deserve and getting remodeled

you got to experience huge improvements

[shy hemlock]

Ya

[unique cedar]

I will be happy when last part of noise shading will be gone from the mountains

[slim belfry]

with festival of heroes rn I hope jungle gets more Tisuan lore

[shy hemlock]

I have played on and off, i got my first slot to 103 before Rekindled dropped and i got another slot maxed right before Fruma

[unique cedar]

Jungle in general needs to be polished

still no secret discoveries btw

maybe that could fit in Tisaun

[shy hemlock]

Wait what

Troms and Dernel have no secret discoveries?

god damn

also i feel like there should be a hidden passage that leads from Mistwoods to Dernel.

like

come on

highlands to ragni exists but not that?

[unique cedar]

When you enter it before entering Fruma gikyo ambushes you and twists your neck

[shy hemlock]

Loool he’d totally do that

[unique cedar]

or the boring way is to have it openable from the mistwoods side

[shy hemlock]

What happens if you try to enter from the Ragni tunnel before unlocking

[unique cedar]

you can't

there are barriers

[shy hemlock]

ragni-highlands

Is it too high up

ah

Wait you can’t go to Ragni from there either?

Damn

[unique cedar]

no it's specifically blocked off

[shy hemlock]

I thought it was a shortcut, i had stuff to do in Fruma so i never tried to get down

would be real funny if it wasnt blocked off though

[unique cedar]

I think it kinda ruins the immersion a bit

Fruma being that unreachable thing

and then there's just a random ledge that overlooks ragni

that's been there for a loooooong time

[dense python]

his pronouns are was/were

[slim belfry]

I feel like based on the stone nobody knows about it

[unique cedar]

their pronouns are kebab/skewer

[slim belfry]

maybe except one person

[solid fable]

@fallen wind

[slim belfry]

oh wait webcore

that's gikyo that I always frickin see

[unique cedar]

gikyo fanclub assemble

Get your Gikyo outfits on

[slender copper]

why... why is Gikyo sideways?

[unique cedar]

why not

[formal bridge]

they just do that sometimes

[slender copper]

Also... now that I say the name aloud, how do you pronounce Gikyo??

Gik-yo
or
Guy-k-yo (like Geico)

[slim belfry]

I think the latter is the correct one?

[unique cedar]

It's Gik-yo

according to voices of wynn

[south ginkgo]

i have a stupid q but why did ||Tasim get mad at the player|| at the end of Overture to Despair? I just finished that quest and I am a bit confused as to who is "he" that Tasim was referring to when he said the player ||"took him from me"||

[tiny topaz]

how does one pronounce majin

[signal bough]

bigger than RoL

[unique cedar]

||Aledar, the queen told Tasim what happened to him in SE||

[south ginkgo]

which was ||when the player sacrificed Aledar to open the Eldritch Outlook dungeon in A Journey Further|| am I right?

[unique cedar]

Yeah

[slim belfry]

oh dang nvm then

[quaint marsh]

Is there a reason we "can't" tell Tasim about Aledar?

[unique cedar]

the dialogue for the other route isn't fully written yet

afaik

[south ginkgo]

damn but ||Tasim getting mad because of that isn't really... justified?|| cuz knowing the group is all heroic, I thought ||Tasim would have been more understanding||

[unique cedar]

He probably wasn't told everything in detail

[south ginkgo]

oh so then it must be that ||the Queen manipulated Tasim into thinking that the player killed Aledar for no good reason||

[unique cedar]

plus there's the fact that ||Tasim and Aledar sitting under a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G||

[south ginkgo]

when is that lol i legit just finished Overture to Despair

is that in a later quest

[unique cedar]

implied

[south ginkgo]

i guess there is lol

[unique cedar]

there's an additional interaction that you'll get to see once you finish the Fruma storyline and raid

[south ginkgo]

that's cool tysm

[quaint marsh]

damn :/

[signal bough]

||the queen gives me the vibes of a great gaslighter and the player is too socially inept to explain||

[slender copper]

Mah-jinn is how I usually hear it's pronounced.

[edgy loom]

what how

[slender copper]

Probably from Tasim saying || "you took Aledar away from me"|| implies of a greater relationship between them besides being just friends... and also... ||a npc in the beginning of the Queens recruit quests asks if Tasim likes men when Tasim brought the topic on if they have seen Aledar recently... since they all knew him.||

[regal spire]

The player can be whatever you want, they’re your player

[restive yacht]

Except u do not

[slim belfry]

idk the player works fine with what I have so far

[mossy widget]

REAL ❤️

[slender copper]

I would say that the player is up to your interpretation as a better answer.

[restive yacht]

Eeeeh as of now, yes.

[hardy rose]

They definitely had more agency in fruma than just doing the jobs they are assigned

[slim belfry]

what and who the player currently is seems to be clearly up to interpretation
what the player's origin is seems concrete

[hardy rose]

I really liked the dialogue options || on top of the dam when you are speaking to tasim in apotheosis|| I feel like it was nice you personally could make your own judgement on how he should be treated

[slim belfry]

I like the dialogue options but I feel like some direct player responses could be omitted

[hardy rose]

True they definitely have the exact opposite effect as the options and give the player too much personality

I know nothing about wymncraft lore but I feel like the end of fruma may have implied the player was some failed experiment and/or on the level of gods like war and light.

[slim belfry]

yeah what's inside the player is pretty something

[woven vessel]

The player is driven by the indomitable human spirit

[dim plover]

Wait a damn minute

[restive yacht]

Highlands basil* would have been a thing

Btw what is halcyon lore about?

[gloomy idol]

they say is about majin

[restive yacht]

"As a flashing star shot through the night sky, a sole observer witnessed its brilliance. It was then, wreathed in prismatic light, he decided. Someday, he would shine as bright as that star, and overtake those beneath him. No matter the cost."

So it's assumed to be Majin

[slim belfry]

yeah definitely

https://youtu.be/Ke_SDGq_kl4

[restive yacht]

Ah

[slim belfry]

headcanon that the word "Halcyon" is associated with Thalas

[lavish knot]

i can finally see allt eh spoilers lets gooo

[restive yacht]

It may not be majin tho

It may be some lore about the Thalas family.

Another member*

Xima?

Nah it's 100% majin

[slim belfry]

yeah definitely majin

[restive yacht]

Hold up, I recall the description of an image in the ek altar secret discovery

• we know that Majin knows how to write in Frumian (it should be mentioned in gale's diary, unless my mind completely fabricated this information)

Could it be?

There's no item lore that narrates about scenery similar to the described images in the scrolls from the ek altar SD, right?

[warm flicker]

wanted to try out and write some new SE secret discoveries focusing on Olmic lore

[drifting aurora]

i think you have fabricated this

[restive yacht]

AAAAAAAA AH MANDELA EFFECT strikes again

[drifting aurora]

i mean theres a couple in the one long text

[restive yacht]

Idk I need to go check again

Ty for saving me time reading gale's diary

[exotic bough]

I think the se would have too many sds but stuff like this should definitely be added as like stone tablets in the ruined olmic city

||Hell it’d especially be a great way to drop some old fruma lore with the ancient human-olm interactions and possibly even the war between the two||

[signal bough]

SE already has a lot

fruma def has some room

[exotic bough]

Ehhh

I’m not sure if fruma could have more sds

[hardy rose]

I think my brain just wants to fill in the blanks with hollow knight lore which is to say that the player is a demigod with a powerful force inside of them created to deal with some calamity but they are imperfect

[frozen turtle]

i mean, Fruma kinda already has more SD's (kinda) with the mythic shrines which i feel like there may be more added idk

[vapid peak]

Hmm

Does anyone have the doc of old fruman to english? I'm really curious to see what the item lore on Restitution and the Forgotten Chronicles set are