📚lore_discussion

[vestal rivet]

one inhumane industrial powerhouse to another

[tepid blade]

Like this version of Gensis of the End (I don't know if it the one that appears in game) which has both traditional horror stuff, but also a rock version of the hero's motif https://youtu.be/p0r_Ni4V94U?si=4Zk3TPsHj2RWeAIg

[vestal rivet]

oo I remember this one

[signal bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0r_Ni4V94U (genesis of the end)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8LNV8Lj8ic (nexus of light)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuZdWLEAvjk (play the savior)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iazbHChoLJY (day to remember)

[tepid blade]

The rock version of the motif sounds really good

[vestal rivet]

the nexus of light Play the Savior! one too

[hasty beacon]

My only regret about roughworks is that it isnt dense enough, like gimme towering smokestacks and stuff

[signal bough]

there's three day to remembers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBh9lrZmsX8 oh I like this cover of rejected fate

[vestal rivet]

there are places where you can just see how unclean it is just looking at the color and saturation of the grass, where you can see its been inundated with excess water from unnatural redirection and improper considerations
the Roughworks managed to nail it

[hasty beacon]

I need more

[vestal rivet]

even the land that isn't build on has been abused to hell and back

[hasty beacon]

More stuff

[vestal rivet]

the grass is actively in a state of half drowning

[signal bough]

I like Pixelstring's Freedom in Darkness but I can't listen to it because its almost Sunless Sea but not quite

[hasty beacon]

Festival of heroes also has it (obviously)

[split night]

no even mentioning the Industrees

[signal bough]

what's that one

[hasty beacon]

Idk, it might not even be on the youtube

[vestal rivet]

those were artificial creations made to be able to survive even with the augments
genetic and bioengineering

as opposed to just indifferent abuse

[split night]

yeah i know

[tepid blade]

Its still screwed up though

[vestal rivet]

I do like that every character barring Soosu and that one Highlands lady from the Off the Rails quest hates the name lol

including the inventor of the things

[vestal rivet]

I mean
I personally think its cool but hey

[signal bough]

oh Hyloch OST 11 hours ago

[tepid blade]

I mean, the name is pun, soooo

[split night]

Industree is a hilarious name for a bioengineered tree species 😭

I think that scientist would 100% name a tree like that

[vestal rivet]

repurposing flora isn't remotely new
we've been doing this stuff for literal millions of years
we just added metal to it this time

[signal bough]

idk if there is metal

naturally, at least

[vestal rivet]

metal piping

[signal bough]

I think someone has to install it

[elfin sonnet]

Is there a good place to read the lore at?

[signal bough]

to suck the yummy sap

[tepid blade]

Wynncraft

[vestal rivet]

we have to install the bars for tomato vines to grow on
there's at least a comparison

[split night]

yeah i know
there is one funny tree that i know about that can suck high toxic metal off the ground in abandoned mines and people collect its sap for said metal

it's a pretty cool tree

[tepid blade]

that is probably the best place to find to lore

[vestal rivet]

also makes rubber and whatnot

[signal bough]

no. either play through the entire quest line or ask questions to this den of starving hyenas

[vestal rivet]

that sounds pretty cool

[tepid blade]

with the risk of spoilers

[elfin sonnet]

Well I play lmao is there a place to read the lore

Besides playing the game

[split night]

the fact that it exist naturally on itself is pretty cool

[vestal rivet]

oo
what should've been done is the grenade trees, place them on the edges of the Mistwoods to just kill anyone trying to enter or leave unapproved

[tepid blade]

Wiki is fine, but not perfect (some of the articles are opiniated, outdate, have theories, or incorrect at worst)

[elfin sonnet]

Okay thanks man

[tepid blade]

you could ask around for some community lore documents, but there are many of them

[vestal rivet]

a guildmate of mine recently found out that the description of the dodge armor special is just completely wrong lol
not even outdated just wrong
says that you gain damage whenever you take less than 10% of your max health in damage as if it was sandbagging or something, but then also remembers to state that agi dodges don't count, which in that case would be an extreme anti-synergy lol

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe I should restructure the entire millitary ssytem in Wynn

my idea rn is that

each colonies are independent of each other

and they have their own rulers and millitary leaders

there are two type of millitary structure in Wynn

the old way and the new way

the new way are often used by colony that recently establish after 900 AP

which are Detlas and Almuj

while the rest are old way

One of the differece between new way and old way is that
the old way use general as term for highest rank wile the new way use admiral

[vestal rivet]

Fruma's military structure was pretty cool to see

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but I a, tlaking about wynn specifaclly

[regal spire]

You guys think they ever planned to have the Lobby potentially mean anything

There’s so many weird ruins, crystals, dead bodies, sacrificial alters, and just random things in general

[hybrid gazelle]

it probalby just random bullshittt from old time

consider how old the lobby is

and you only use it to get to new server

[vestal rivet]

like the RANKS
guardsmen being locally recruited
constables being the first level of the truly centralized backbone
wings as special forces
and then the gendarme as the final layer of protection for what Her Majesty deems most important: herself and her palace

[regal spire]

All of it was random bullshit, ofc, but I wonder if any of the random bullshit in the lobby was ever planned to be something else

[vestal rivet]

lobby was originally... a lobby

[regal spire]

Like, were any of the builds in there scrapped concepts that they just left there

[slim belfry]

specifying that's the fandom wiki not wiki gg
it doesn't have issues like this

[pseudo igloo]

What about kipchaks?

[vestal rivet]

it has ads in it because players actually used to spend enough time in it to look at said ads

[hybrid gazelle]

kipchaks are constable

I ask CT abotu it

they are part of constable

[vestal rivet]

part of the gendarme based on their armor color I believe

[hybrid gazelle]

nah they are not

they area part of constable

[vestal rivet]

odd

[slim belfry]

kipchaks are constables yeah

[vestal rivet]

ig I misremembered their colors then

[hybrid gazelle]

guess the yjust more fancier and more trained constable

[hybrid gazelle]

gendarme use black ad gold

kipchak has no gold

they just gray and purple

[vestal rivet]

must've been thinking of a different enemy then

[slim belfry]

bak'al...

[hybrid gazelle]

i you mean Gallohawt

[vestal rivet]

also
gendarme have a little navy blue sometimes I think, although it's hard to see in most lighting

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they just a war machine

[vestal rivet]

and not all of them have that navy blue

[slim belfry]

how do you even pronounce gendarme

[vestal rivet]

idk but the possibilities I see are:
gend-arm (g as in good)
jend-arm
gend-arm-ay (a as in ace)
jend-arm-ay

[slender copper]

Here I am saying "gen-dar-me"

[vestal rivet]

the E being by itself at the end implies to me that it's either not pronounced like a normal english E or is silent

[signal bough]

surely there's a french person about

[shut mist]

its my first language.

unfortunatly.

[regal spire]

I’m excited for the story mode version of WTP, cause I wanna see how Sui, Tasim, and Zeph handle corruption

What debuff is associated with them

[dim plover]

Is the title of First Sovereign supposed to be the queen

[celest falcon]

Probably

[winged narwhal]

jean(with the soft j)-dahrm

[willow tiger]

nah it’s Bakal

Bakal is the first scion of Anathema who later betrayed her

[primal anchor]

i read jeandrajim

[dim plover]

Ok but he was never a Sovereign

[primal anchor]

of fruma no

maybe there were sovereign titles within the realm of war

and he could be a queens little helper sovereign like tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

The queen is not sovereign because

Well she is the queen

Having her a sovereign imply she is equal to them

Which she is not

She is their superior

And sovereign also can be use interchangeably with scion

Whcih ahain

The queen is not a scion

So no the queen is not a sovereign

[naive gorge]

i admire the amount of dedication u have for wynncraft lore

[hybrid gazelle]

I need a new hobby

[signal bough]

she could legally be sovereign of aelumia

it seems like a geographically bound title

at least, the paintings of the past sovereigns indicate that

but it would be a secondary title

its either that or Aelumia is a special royal demesne

[split night]

Ana and Grace interaction

[digital swan]

gendarmes are scary

in France not in wynncraft

[split night]

are they the spinny one or the gunny one

xd

[digital swan]

still better than the time I went to mexico

I guess it makes sense that they'd need a lot of technicals with all the stuff going on there but being close to the business end of a machine gun is probably not the best part of the trip

[split night]

i find it hilarious that i died to the Aelumia guards more times than i did to Orphion

[digital swan]

aelumia guards are stronger than orphion I think

[split night]

bro is genuinely gonna be cook if the whole ass army storm his palace with miniguns and bazookas

[digital swan]

I will continue to suggest that we raid the Realm of Dern with Dushkas

[dim plover]

Wait WHAT

WAS THIS IMPLIED IN THE GAME???

[hybrid gazelle]

yes?

Aledar and Tasim imply to have romantic feeling, it just due to the lack of screen time of them being together

but Tasim's dialogue

espically in Fruma

is heavily written in suggestion that he has romantic feeling for Aledar with dialogue such as "I had him and you took him from me"

[dim plover]

I gotta be honest I did not catch that as romantic whatsoever

Like, I got zero romantic vibes from either of them

From what screentime they currently have, anyway

[unique pumice]

i disagree

people can just be friends yk

[dim plover]

Like, unironically

This is a massive shock to me

[hybrid gazelle]

they can but it heavily imply or suggest that they are romantic

[unique pumice]

it seemed like aledar was just one of the only things that tasim had being memory wiped and everything so it makes sense why he'd cling onto that so hard

[dim plover]

Okay yeah but I did not see any heavy implication

[unique pumice]

i didnt get that either through the story tbh

[dim plover]

Like yeah sure it was implied they were close with how strongly Tasim reacted to Aledar dying but like

[hybrid gazelle]

that because it not clear yet due to lack of the screne time they hae with one and another

I think the writer did say they want to make it clear

but take it with grain of salt

and also like

[dim plover]

If this is the case then I shouldn't be blamed for not picking up on it

Because like

??????

[unique pumice]

i also just wouldnt like it if that was implied more tbh

i love the trio dynamic of us aledar and tasim and i hope that gets expanded on more

[dim plover]

Polycule when

[hybrid gazelle]

no you third wheeling this shit LMAO

[barren phoenix]

It does seem to be more of a close friends kind of relationship tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

we will see more of it when Tasim get inclde in mid game story

but as for now

[dim plover]

Oh btw slightly off-topic but I had to google what the Polyamory flag looks like for a thing I'm currently working on and apparently it's something like this (The gold is a sideways heart)

[hybrid gazelle]

we have what we hae

[dim plover]

The colors look susupiciously familiar to something

[unique pumice]

kinda like the philippines flag

[dim plover]

There's an older version with Pi in the flag but I'll see if I can recreate that in pixel form somehow

[shut hornet]

are you making the sovereigns a polycule

[dim plover]

Okay good I'm not crazy

Where the hell have I seen those colors before

It's so familiar

[dim plover]

Actually it's with all the Weirds that appear in Wynncraft

[dim plover]

Nah not from another flag

It's like, the colors of some site

I think

But where???????

[unique pumice]

lets just make wynncraft a mature game at this point

[violet tiger]

I mean I bet it's that one sovereign we haven't seen yet that's in charge of the prison in the wasteland.
In the secret discovery where you enter the Fruman college library or whatever, it seems like the pictures of the sovereign are in chronological order with their picture being the first and covered up. (Sovereign Two doesn't have a picture of her own but she's also the spymaster so-)

[dim plover]

wdym

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean by mature game?

[unique pumice]

rated M

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft been tackling mature topic espically in Fruma

does not mean it has to be rated M

[dim plover]

Because of the violence or what

[unique pumice]

i want the characters to be swearing more

[dim plover]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

it just a minecraft server that delves with mature subject such as suicide

well

with the recent fruma writing

it appear they are okay with swearing but as long as it fit with situation and the character themselves

[dim plover]

Relevant (fake) dialogue box

[unique pumice]

i dont think any amount of violence in a minecraft game would cause a mature rating tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it for the bettter for the writing to be retraint on swearing as relying on sewaring to make emotional dialogue can be a crutch that can easily downward spiral dialogue to sound ridiculous and hard to take seriously

[signal bough]

I wish there was a wynncraft sandbox like in ultrakill where you can set the enemies against one another

[digital swan]

wait YE

[digital swan]

you're making the weirds a polycule?

[dim plover]

sure

that's

possible

[digital swan]

:bartek:

[signal bough]

there are wynncraft modders... somehow

[split night]

oh my boat i don't want vivziepop to write Fruma

😭

[dim plover]

Okay I'm not going to tell any of you what I'm actually planning but it'll be really funny

[split night]

can you like

imagine it

[signal bough]

can we get the fruman npcs in the alastor style

[split night]

"Welcome to the fucking Fruma! here we have a fucking monarchy, fucking resistance ,fucking fuckity fuck!!"

[digital swan]

it would be fine if the game allowed us to kill npcs

[signal bough]

like this

[split night]

😭

[dim plover]

Every time jokes about Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss having too much swearing I always feel left out because I honestly did not have a single thought of "wow that's too much swearing" when I watched the shows

[signal bough]

thank you mr trashie

its wonderful

[digital swan]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

[split night]

the fact that other show have way more swearing but make those moment normal sounding

my problem with it is that they REALLY like to make the swear very heavy, like it's attention sucking

xd

[dim plover]

This meme is also very funny

(Although realistically speaking the character designs in the Hellaverse are probably the most varied I can possible ever see in any show)

I don't really understand where the "all the characters look the same" joke came from because like

Really?

[signal bough]

its just alastor and lucifer

[split night]

hazbin hotel meme

[signal bough]

and the suits

[dim plover]

Maybe I'm just weird because the ones in Hazbin/Helluva were normal enough for me that my brain doesn't really acknowledge them when they speak

[dim plover]

That's

Read my message again

[dim plover]

Sorry I meant this one

Whoops I thought you replied to the top message

[signal bough]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-lebingus-gif-25269266

[dim plover]

They could have picked any piece of media where the characters have the exact same build and shape (Hell, they could've pick Murder Drones and I wouldn't even be mad (Murder Drones came after though so fair enough)) but people decided to pick the one show that does the opposite of this

Is it because they all have sharp teeth and claws or smth
If that's the case then yeah fair enough why do they all have those lol

But the shape of the characters' kinda questionable man have you seen the characters

[signal bough]

hazbin does really fosters home for imaginary friends it

[dim plover]

Like, even if you don't watch the show

Am I blind or smth
Not a single one of them looks anything alike each other

[signal bough]

It’s the suits 😭

[dim plover]

Okay yeah the suits are fair enough as well

But they're way less common than the sharpteeth and claws, which actually do appear on most characters

The suits are only really Alastor, Pentious

uh

I guess Angel as well but I'm not sure if his counts

[signal bough]

Anyways back to Wynn

Gurix should appear in Corkus somewhere if you save him

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the point of Hero of Gae

is that Gurix being taken off to the back alley and shot

[pale spruce]

Is the general opinion that Theorick was an asshole even before the corruption started to get ahold of him? Or was he a pretty cool guy?

Because people don’t seem to think highly lol.

[hybrid gazelle]

he just not what you expect from a hero

he just a guy that turn heroism into more of a career/job

than like hobby that kind of deal

so he very strict and can come up very cold or asshole

[quartz mist]

frost bite unfairly tilts it in one direction due to poor writing, but in general he was burdened by the responsibility he had and did take it out on people- albeit mostly with shouting and yelling and flashiness rather than physically attacking them, since that would be rather counterproductive from someone trying to save them. he feels he's owed rewards for doing such constant, dangerous work- he isn't selfless

[hybrid gazelle]

bt he has a good intention

and yeah frost bite just exist

[quartz mist]

but in spite of wanting payment or rewards for doing the work, he was still doing the work

[hybrid gazelle]

god nesaak need rework man

THEORICK QUESTLINE

[pale spruce]

Sounds like a harsh parent. Nesaak is his child I suppose.

And sorry, are there Twain descendants ? Or was he a hermit.

[hybrid gazelle]

Twendle is a twain descedent

He was descendent of Dwendle

but the rest?

probably never get to have children

[pale spruce]

Off all by himself, kind of makes me sorry for him. Even if it was by choice. He chose frozen isolation. I double a nesaak rework. Love that place in theory.

Hm, I wish after the quest I could return Theoricks staff to somewhere of higher honour than the bank display case.

[dim plover]

This is Majin's portal texture right? I can't fully remember

[hybrid gazelle]

Nesaak probalby just have record of history of him in a bad ligh

[limber swan]

ye is is

[dim plover]

Ok thx

[signal bough]

Nesaak's opinion of him is:
Was an asshole
Froze our region : (

[split night]

my face when some hero protect a region and only ask for compensation for this work and everyone started calling him evil

I still hate that the fact that they give Theorick a mansion is just really weird, like it's really not in character for him to own a mansion

[signal bough]

and with automated magical defenses that suck you away if you call him an asshole

[split night]

😭

like pick a lane
are we even describing the same character?

xd

[signal bough]

its the only quest showcasing activities of a present-day polity in Nesaak too

[frozen turtle]

except he was probably bankrupting the region

to be fair as well, there is a quest where we like go back in the past and the villagers (despite knowing the corruption is there) just go on walks or smth around there and theorick seems frustrated

if i was trying to protect nesaak and the citzens just decided to go for walks towards the corruption id be pissy too

[split night]

i

give more context below that statement

xd

[frozen turtle]

i forget which quest lemme check

Fate of the Fallen

Theorick: Phew... You're out of danger now. If you hadn't left town, though, you wouldn't have been IN any danger at all!

and it seems like this is a common thing the citzens do

where they decide to put themselves in danger

[signal bough]

I guess theorick's content needs a rework

[split night]

yeah those are old quests after all

[signal bough]

what I would do is make him a commander of a military force

[split night]

that would certainly give him more aura

[signal bough]

and also the mansion would be more of a lab

[frozen turtle]

a lab?

[slim belfry]

eh not sure a lab would work for a commander

[signal bough]

he's a wizard, he needs a place where he can strengthen his power, store interesting tomes, and experiment on the corruption

this is like

'protector of Nesaak'

and what he does in pursuit of that goal

[slim belfry]

maybe a library?
feel like a lab is too close to something happening nearby

[signal bough]

lusuco should be safe

[frozen turtle]

theorick feels more of the like, practice rather than study to get stronger

like he learns that corruption is slowed by ice just because he uses it and observes it

in his combat

[slim belfry]

I dont mean that I mean a lab feels redundant given something nearby

[signal bough]

uhhhhhhh

well we dont know whether the tower was present then

a lab would be better to explain the weird... water? puzzle there

[slim belfry]

no I meant there's literally another lab nearby

would feel too awkward having two

in the same area

[signal bough]

I forget the one

[frozen turtle]

theorick def doesnt study, id imagine mael or twindle/dingle idk would be more likely to

[mossy badge]

Thats ohms' lab

[signal bough]

unfamiliar to me

[slim belfry]

incomplete lore

it's so sad

[signal bough]

doesnt look like an SD given they typically dont have enemies

[mossy badge]

NEver getting finished 🙏

[frozen turtle]

thats basically like

right next to lusuco

[slim belfry]

there's so much happening in the dang canyon lol

we got:
theorick's mansion
tower of ascension
northern lusuco
ohms' lab

[mossy badge]

Northern lusuco is like elsewhere lol

[slim belfry]

yes I know where it is ingame I just meant being next door

[mossy badge]

What a nice view of lusuco on the map 😭 🙏

[wheat island]

where specifically is this

ive never seen t

[mossy badge]

Outside lusuco

To the right i think

[slim belfry]

frozen constructs are in a nearby iron deposit

[slim belfry]

the golem is here

[dim plover]

Any guesses as to whether Qira will be involved in any upcoming main storylines

[split night]

im guessing not

otherwise she have to be Urelix's wife for her to be interesting

[frozen turtle]

I think she might as I feel like she’s related to Dern somehow

[slim belfry]

she's preparing for when the influences attack the world so she might play some part

[frozen turtle]

I do think at least that region in gavel has a weird connection to fruma so it might end up being apart of the storyline idk

mainly that changelings and gale end up in the canyon of the lost

[split night]

crackpot theory
changeling is gale's pet she bring on the way to gavel

[tropic locust]

what changeling

[mossy badge]

The one from general's orders i'd assume

[hybrid gazelle]

The player trying to explain to fruma gang on why they got slave owner on their side

[frozen turtle]

i mean the player is already a mass murder and we're teaming with ex-sovs so like who really cares at this point

[slim belfry]

they can excuse murder but not slavery

[young dock]

Qira don’t got internet

[frozen turtle]

also a gale nasin + zhiraok meetup would be cool

[hybrid gazelle]

https://youtu.be/TMhiIT8WOmc?si=6Ph0Px684S1QuXNc
how mf expecting Dern expansion cast to be like

[frozen turtle]

did they even know eahother

[hybrid gazelle]

The said mass murderer can be somewhat justified with self defense

Tasim one key word is “Ex”

Qira is and currently a slave owner

[frozen turtle]

eh, justified self defense for the murders they know we've committed

[slim belfry]

Zhiraok complained about gale in his diary

[young dock]

I would run over that fort again given the chance

[hybrid gazelle]

Zhiraok know Gale but not personally

[frozen turtle]

i dont think Qira would join us but like, surely she has to be involved somehow

really depends on what Qira ends up being in the end

[hybrid gazelle]

Also thetr at least reason behind the mass murder

Qira’s slavery is amount to “guys don’t worry worse is coming so slavery is on the table”

And then proceed to make army and do nothing

Not even helping Tcc stuff like

Yoh would think she would help with Tcc stuff consider she is the canyon but like

I guess she it not her problem

[frozen turtle]

for the fruma murders yeah, im saying in our total time in Wynn there has def been some unnecessary murders

[frozen turtle]

could just not want to waste resources on tcc when she knows something worse is coming

tho idk why qira decides to make artifacts and jewels just for victors

thats a bit of a waste

[hybrid gazelle]

Guys there totally something worse coming than entire ass region including her own house send into the void

Masterful planning

Next time how about she make artifact that make her get all the missing content

[frozen turtle]

im assuming she knows more 'regular' people will be able to deal with it unlike what she's planning
but i cant really say either way

cuz she's just very weird

and still mysterious

[hybrid gazelle]

Truly everything is above her fr fr fr

[frozen turtle]

could just be that

honestly

she is only focused on the influences

[dim plover]

Is there
not?

[frozen turtle]

she ignores everything else

[hybrid gazelle]

Purple, Think

[frozen turtle]

well there's not much you can do against Orphion or Saphanis if ur stranded in the void

[hybrid gazelle]

Like

Think

[uneven basin]

Nah she's like "player's got it"

[hybrid gazelle]

This imply she got Orphion level of planning

Which is not a compliment

[uneven basin]

I think other explanations would make her more of a tool xd

[hybrid gazelle]

Someday we will get all missing content from qira hive

[frozen turtle]

only reason i can think of is she is trying to find/make other "champions" and if she just soloed everything then idk player wouldnt be as strong as they are now

kinda similar to the queen ig

[uneven basin]

She gambled half of gavel 😭

[warm flicker]

Gambling Beast's true scion

[frozen turtle]

considering we struggle to beat her when she's heavily weakened, she probably could've just defeated tcc if it got bad

[uneven basin]

How much more bad could it get tho

[warm flicker]

i guess when massive cracks into the void started popping up all over?

[uneven basin]

We gotta fraud check qira more often

Sitting on her ass in that hive until the eleventh hour

[frozen turtle]

ur telling the slave owner may not be morally correct!?

and may not tryna be help people

[uneven basin]

She's not tryna do anything is what

Owning slaves and creating a monster army for the love of the game

[hybrid gazelle]

It just her lack of fear that make her power seems questionable

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause we got like the queen

Who literally has feat and on screen action

And more elaborate story

That tie in the theme of Fruma

So qira in the end just feel
More of a mystery than a character

It similar to Two but like at least two habe character interactions and some background lore

[split night]

Her's Majesty is better than Qira because they put effort in her

[hybrid gazelle]

I would not say qira has no effort but there definitely not enough time for her to shine cause as I said

Missing content

There are definitely more about wits but the problem is that she only feature in like what

One ques

[split night]

Unless CT holding some big guns relating to Qira in their storage, rn i feel like Qira is just, kinda here i guess

[hybrid gazelle]

And barely a main character

Also qira has the unfortunate to be associated with the

The one part of cotl

Can we just remove dojo quest and replace it with spent in qira related like

Can that happen

[quartz mist]

given the ability i had, i did what i could

ive tried to integrate the hive into things. festivals, unrequired npcs in multiple cities reacting to her, etc, cause thats all i had access to at the time with the limited story we had and the long-term "Qira intends to fight Darkness" statement

[hybrid gazelle]

Also qira hive quest is more like

It more of a challenge

Than actually narrative story

So even in her own “quest” qira is limited

[uneven basin]

These are great changes btw

[quartz mist]

what do you mean, "changes"

these have been in the game for years.

[uneven basin]

Yeah ik but I lack a better word for it xd

[hybrid gazelle]

Also with new runes lore, Ywah qira definitely need more touch up if she wanna keep her 5 elements thing gojng on

[uneven basin]

Like adding them was a real good idea

I loved replaying gavel and finding the qira npc in any new town

All those years ago lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Qira could give us more insight on the runes in the mid game but yeah

[quartz mist]

but yeah. I have to imagine grian had Some Clue of what he was doing when he alluded to Qira having connections to darkness and by extension dern but it's like trashie says, the layout of the quest makes it difficult to really dig deep into her within the quest. that's why I wanted to expand on her through other means, cause those were the only means I really had

but priorities are what priorities are

[slim belfry]

the master qira gear is also interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

I would loce if current qira quest get scrapped and make it like li where you don’t need quest to preogress

[quartz mist]

at first i had to wait to be able to do it justice, and then the priority was just elsewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

So now we can have qira quest that like

[split night]

Grian made Qira??

[quartz mist]

it was a collaborative thing, he wasn't solely behind her, but he did write up the initial dialogue which directly included that Qira knew of and intended to combat the darkness

ive sharpened it up since

[split night]

That's some random Content Team lore i am not expecting

[slim belfry]

I wonder if she would fight against the light

[hybrid gazelle]

The light is essentially not much of a threat

Orphion fucking suck

The light barely in power

[slim belfry]

oh right

[hybrid gazelle]

So qira has no reason to fight against the light

[slim belfry]

it'll be a long time until he regains strength

[hybrid gazelle]

The light winning is more favorable because at least there is plausible Orphion will shot himself in the foot somehow

[quartz mist]

there IS a whole lot behind her. I can't really say it without it being leaks, but I wouldn't have been making all those teasers back in 2015, 2016 if there wasnt something behind it

[hybrid gazelle]

Qira has teasers?

[quartz mist]

it's straight up just a matter of there's always been other things to focus on, or I've had to wait until systems have allowed things to do what I want justice

[hybrid gazelle]

Back in 2015 and 2016?

[slim belfry]

that's a long time dang

[quartz mist]

you wouldn't know if you weren't on the forums but yeah, there was a huge mysteries thread about her that I frequented and posted stuff about

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

[quartz mist]

cause I thought what I had planned was a lot more reasonable at the time

but as it turns out, the thing I was waiting on- more mob spells- was only really realized with the new moveset system

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh I always just interrept qira as olm for now cause at least there are engaging motive

Damn

[quartz mist]

and as it turns out making mob yml spells was a task and a half, so in the ENTIRE SPAN from then to the moveset system we got two new spells

[hybrid gazelle]

I am sorry but you talk about that I got flashback to getting web by qira 3 times in the row in that one fight

Also the fact that magic in wynncraft describe a lot to be lien thread

And the weave

Qira having magical spider pet that can create any elemental string is

Hmmm

[raw badge]

Btw are Gale and Zhiraok meant to be siblings or something?

[hybrid gazelle]

My next qira design

I wanna make her like seamstress but idk

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Gale is his ancestor

[raw badge]

Ohhh

[hybrid gazelle]

Or at least like long distant one

[raw badge]

Fair

[hybrid gazelle]

Gale was there before zhiraok even born

Omg qira having double staff that become scissor would be cool

Or her wand is a seamstress tool

I probably need to experiment morr

[ripe tiger]

will she ever return in a future questline?

if ur allowed to share

[split night]

like
the base is the sharp part of the scissor while the handle-loop thing have magical stuff in it

[quartz mist]

I am not

[split night]

im not sure how useful it is for a weapon where the sharp part is the part you hold but it's neat

[ripe tiger]

understood

[dim plover]

I meant to post this like a day ago

Media literacy moment

(Okay in all fairness I didn’t fully understand the Resonance Weaver on my first playthrough either)

[quartz mist]

I will say that is a bit unlikely because of

[split night]

"I'm a wynncraft player and i can't read!!"

[quartz mist]

if you just mean for your own design that's one thing

but as it stands that likely isn't going to radically change

[frozen turtle]

Qira is two in disguise 💯

[hot timber]

does all the information we know about the old fruma civilisation come from the highlands SDs, the rosettas and the mythic shrines?

for wiki purposes

[uneven basin]

There's some stuff in aldwell

[hot timber]

as in the library?

[split night]

I'm the queen of england

[uneven basin]

Yeah it's hidden below some symbolism

[hot timber]

i see

are the cutscenes that play from the mythic shrines recorded or written down anywhere

[split night]

i just, i just watch someone ate a raw chicken with sprinkle on it

[frozen turtle]

Wiki has most of the architect written down apart from the cutscene translated

I’d like to see screenshots of the cutscenes but I’d if there are any

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[brittle pagoda]

How do y'all translate || old fruman? || I heard that there is a translation book somewhere, but doesnt wynntils have a feature already?

[spring kernel]

#1489836179665981621

[quartz mist]

||old fruman is an actual conlang rather than just ciphered text. it's a lot more complex than the other languages, dogun runes excepted||

[spring kernel]

there's a transcriber

[silk ravine]

Now this is a blast from the past lol

[brittle pagoda]

oh shit this is good

I was just having trouble with the || buried records SD||

[hot timber]

i remember when people were looking for gale's tomb in the qira hive in like 2015 and everyone was collectively losing their minds only for the entrance to have been like obstructed or way too small or something

[atomic hamlet]

I find it a bit funny how Qira thinks this and yet doesn’t do anything about the actual Dark invasion right in Gavel with the Decay

[hot timber]

what she gon do about it

[atomic hamlet]

She could have just killed the Parasite while it was running around

[hot timber]

that was like 200 years ago

who knows where she was back then, if she was as strong, if she was even alive

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah but I disregard that because I don’t really like that design to begin with

[spring kernel]

not sure if that one's been deciphered

well some of it has but not entirely

[brittle pagoda]

it hasnt been yet

[uneven basin]

Good question actually do we have any idea of how old she is ?

Or like how long ago did she arrive on gavel/ set up the hive

[hexed birch]

Yeah ||we have her birth year as 801, escape year likely ~824, thanks to house divided, i believe the herb book from that one olux quest mentions when they were brought to gavel (i dont remember what it says)||

Or did you mean qira cuz then no lol

[uneven basin]

I meant qira oops xD

[mental locust]

tome

[dim plover]

Qira is two years old and she created the Hive through a long and tedious process which took ten seconds

(She's a very powerful sorcerer)

[low rain]

what are the implications of this

[split night]

that queen is taller than aledar and tasim

[silk ravine]

Are we ever going to be able to access this? I remember it being teased on the forum years and years ago.

AFAIK we haven't had a single reference to Ohms since then

[mossy badge]

It was accessible for some time

[silk ravine]

Then it was removed

[mossy badge]

I think it might not even been intentional lol

[silk ravine]

Ohms as a character has been completely forgotten about so I wouldn't be surprised

[mossy badge]

Not exceeding the intended 80k dps is much more important than some ohms !!

[silk ravine]

I hope someone on the CT remembers he exists because for a while he seemed actually relevant to Gale's lore. Now AFAIK she never even mentions him in her dialogue in festivals & stuff.

Dude is just a random name drop in an item lore now.

[hexed birch]

She does, she made her goggles with him iirc

[pine flower]

its what Ohms would have Wished

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[hexed birch]

I dont think its forgotten, just a side project

[pine flower]

kinda like the clocks

[hexed birch]

Yeah pretty much lol

[pine flower]

do we know if that one arctic fox in the frumer mountains have any kinda importance or if its just some funny thing

[mossy badge]

What are u talkin about

[silk ravine]

Oh wow, how long ago was this added?

[hexed birch]

Pretty sure its just a neat little thing to find

[hexed birch]

2021 i think

Maybe later though

[pine flower]

figures, it is a neat little find

[mossy badge]

Where is it

Exactly

[silk ravine]

Ok yeah they probably still forgot Ohms exists lol

[pine flower]

auburn, west of the lake, up on the frozen water iirc

[silk ravine]

Watch them give gale a new love interest because they forgot him

[hexed birch]

He will get more lore with 2.3 the lusuco update trust

Also stop making me feel old by claiming that 2021 was a long time ago

[pine flower]

this little guy

turns out the guards HATE this little fella
literally unplayable

[mossy badge]

😭

[exotic bough]

It has rabies that’s why they’re doing it

[pine flower]

i thought they were just racist towards white foxes, rabies tracks though

[dim plover]

Hypothetically speaking
What would Gikyo shapeshift into if they were a part of this meme

Like, just theoretically

Because I was imagining a massive floating Blåhaj just because they find it funny

But I want to hear other ideas

no reason

just curious

[raven juniper]

he'd morph into the old giant zombie

[split night]

the 51 they them citation

[dim plover]

Wait what if Gikyo shapeshifts into the cake

That'll be funny

Mmmmm no

That or the evil and intimidating horse

[hybrid gazelle]

They

[silk venture]

Prob a dumb question so how does the memory loss from fruma work exactly?

[hybrid gazelle]

They put spell on you and you forgot

[silk venture]

In recover the past can't we recover those memories?

[slender copper]

Who are they in question? The one telling the secret or one of the other two?

[dim plover]

Part of the group

[slender copper]

They're the cake, yeah.

[dim plover]

Lmao

[silk venture]

5 years is half a decade thats a while ago

[dim plover]

I just kinda like the idea that even if they are part of the people the original person is talking about instead of just being there randomly they still don't take the situation seriously

[hybrid gazelle]

You can but under certain condition

Only Picard can crack it so far

Well I mean

Elise did too

But it require a lot of reminding and figure out from the person end

Either that or it’s something that they feel know deep down they are missing

Like Elise love for syndra

[silk venture]

We did it in missing pieces too

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah like I said

It’s only under certain condition

[slender copper]

Tasim is probably the one to spill the secret.

[silk venture]

It would be man screw that guy

[hybrid gazelle]

And even then Elise don’t fully regain all of it, she only know that her lover is Syndra and that what been missing

[frozen turtle]

Elise brute forced her memory back unlike loser Picard who had to use magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Sometime the memory just has too large of a missing piece

Thst the person can’t help but think about it

Until they finally reminded and find that memory

So it less of memory being deleted

And more of being forgotten and push it far back into their mind

[silk venture]

With the queen redacted shouldn't that restore memories since im assuming the spell was from a blessing

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope

Cause queen is not the one that do the spell

[silk venture]

Can they still use blessings?

[hybrid gazelle]

And even then it was inquisitor

[dim plover]

This would imply that everyone's blessings are also all gone now

[hybrid gazelle]

The mark will remain

Two said it before

Tasim has to live with the mark

So as Soosu

So as Zhiraok

[silk venture]

They are marked and can still use their blessing?

[slender copper]

Everyone else is dead so I guess they die with the mark???

[silk venture]

Which means had he not taken our place we could have had a blessing

God this tasim guy man

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

They can still use their blessing

[silk venture]

The worst

[frozen turtle]

if War itself disappeared they probably would lose their blessing but it was just a manifestion which died

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope

This they will keep the mark

Because war still exist

Anathema just gone

[frozen turtle]

thats not what i was saying

[slender copper]

Anathema did say herself that war will continue without her.

[frozen turtle]

i was saying if war didnt exist

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

And two said to Tasim that the mark will persist with him

[silk venture]

There's people with working robot arms in corkus right?

[hybrid gazelle]

Or something

Yeah

[silk venture]

We have the tech to put Rex back together?

[hybrid gazelle]

Some problem have robot arm

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude

Do you not see Quill

[dim plover]

https://media.tenor.com/QtFnp0yr24kAAAAj/purple-guy-dancing.gif

[hybrid gazelle]

He got prosthetic arm from Yasanu

Yasanu can make one for Rex

[slender copper]

You mean Yusanu?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that guy

[silk venture]

Yeah but corkus gotta be more advanced

[split night]

my face when the tech guy that can make you a working prosthetic arm but you choose corkus because it's corkus

[hybrid gazelle]

iti s but like

unless the leaves is flithy rich

nobody gonna make Rex arm for free

[drowsy locust]

did anyone do all the anthema dialogue file?

[hybrid gazelle]

there is adoc

[drowsy locust]

like a file that contains all her dialogue options

[drowsy locust]

where can i find it

[hybrid gazelle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?usp=sharing

[drowsy locust]

ty

[keen field]

is there any clues about sohso

for now

[hybrid gazelle]

project hollowground

[keen field]

whats that

[hybrid gazelle]

a file you can read in Fort Hegea

[keen field]

😮

[vestal rivet]

wait Sohso is in the Hegea files?
I must've missed that

[hybrid gazelle]

they mention external researcher that would is familar with similar madness

so like

guess this fucking animal

[vestal rivet]

oh I assumed external as in not from the mistwoods assignment
that makes a lot of sense

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laugh-monkey-ksi-primal-gif-15771937260145199571

[narrow kestrel]

mf

ii've been using you to tp to llevigar

fym off adventuring

[split night]

canon event

[narrow kestrel]

we will get gavel re-expansion

and get this as a sidequest

trust

[hybrid gazelle]

likely never

because the entire thing suppose you to have miss it

so like

yeah

Gavel Re-expansion would be too much for an update

I think CT learn already that it impossible to be done

province update would be grandual

rather than in one major update

the current standard of quality demand more and more

to the point trying to make one big proince like Gavel or Wynn just impossible

[uneven basin]

Fruma's like... A third of gavel ? And it already took so long

[narrow kestrel]

the only reason why it took so long was

was

uhhh

right why did it take 7 years actually

😭

we got a shitton of stuff but still

[narrow kestrel]

also i didnt mean like. an ACTUAL expansion of land

theres no room for it in the story/worldbuilding anyways

i meant like. more quests throughout gavel

they already mentioned including tasim and aledar more in the early quests so hey

if they revisit early quests they could add more fetch-and-kill side quests

[mossy badge]

This is including all the major updates during that time like rekindled world, spellbound.. etc

[uneven basin]

Also 2019 fruma is probably very different from 2026 fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

liek I said

reworking entire province throughout gavel

is too much wor

[paper wyvern]

fruma is also a lot more dense

[hybrid gazelle]

the only thing we can hope for

is region in Gavel get update one by one

grandually

[paper wyvern]

and the 7 years coincided with a lot of other big updates

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma have push up standard on many thing

raid alone take half a year

also withhow much story is important to Fruma

taking account to time it take to writing and finalize everything including the story itself, the characters, the setting

even more so that now the region is less of a random bullshit

and they actually have to fit theme of Fruma

a lot of discussion and deciding on what region should be add likely take up time to

[uneven basin]

I think the only thing gavel is really up to date as a province is the builds and even then xo

[hybrid gazelle]

this also inclde more unique mobs that have their own move sets adn design

and a lot

[split night]

reworking the entire gavel to fit a theme is gonna take LONGER than Fruma just considering how fucking big and random gavel is xd

[hybrid gazelle]

A LOt

of smaller stuff

back then Wynn and Gavel was nothing

back then they dont have fancy shit

they dont have expectation

all they need is big play space

and that it

maybe some quest then and there

but story is not serious

they can bullshit it through

[hybrid gazelle]

it evne more so that gavel also consist of different civilization and spieces

so they need to discuss and design each civilization to have their own asthetic

fruma at least have one combined theme because they all are under fruma empire

Gavel just speerate from each other

[uneven basin]

I'd say gavel is pretty organized theme wise today, we got the decay influencing a lot of regions and then some regions with their own conflicts (d and d or llevigar orc war for example) the only random bullshit region is the sky islands really

[split night]

I'm so glad that Fruma is good and decent level writing
I wouldn't have stay as long as I could if Fruma was basically Gavel

man it's a nightmare scenario

[hybrid gazelle]

vilalgers are random bullshit LOL

They for some reason have CCTV

they have factory

everything about them is a mess

they have no asthetic, it just

random bullshit

[radiant harbor]

And it's ok to have a random region imo, sky islands are ok the way they are now

[hybrid gazelle]

llevigar plain is

MAD BORING

[paper wyvern]

sky islands major issue isnt the design its a lack of lore for why things are where they are

llevigar plains si the worst area in gavel imo

at least light forest is atmospheric

[uneven basin]

Okay I was more about the wider themes / conflicts in the province villager aesthetic sucks yeah (IG at least they don't factory farm gerts anymore what even was up with that quest)

[paper wyvern]

even if it has 1 quest

llevigar plains is kill orcs and kill orcs and learn actually orcs arent evil

[radiant harbor]

They probably will do something about it, considering the Void is really important in the lore

[vestal rivet]

take it like how they're handling Corkus
replacing builds slowly over time

[uneven basin]

Yeah "oh boy a magical land what will I find beyond this awe inspiring citadel if quartz ? Oh it's plains again"

[silk ravine]

I feel like part of the issue with gavel is it’s so damn big

There’s a lot of “filler” areas (Dark & Kander forest come to mind immediately). Llevigar plains is dull but it does its job well enough and you don’t spend THAT much time there.

[hybrid gazelle]

some sketch on how Wynn modified villager golems into more of a war machine for their warfare

[silk ravine]

Even then iirc Llevigar has been the same since release if I’m not mistaken.

[hybrid gazelle]

i like the idea of like

Wynn just take stuff from Gavel in their trade

and completely weaponize it

like quartz

TBH this is rough sketch but they should have different armor plating on them

since wynn is across the ocean

so they need ot use subtitue part to repair their golem

[silk ravine]

On the topic of the cannon golem it’s interesting that you don’t really see that many gunpowder-based weapons like guns and cannons in Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah in wartorn project guns are mor connon in Wynn

[silk ravine]

Rymek is really the only place it’s present.

[hybrid gazelle]

just very early era guns

like musket or handcannon

[silk ravine]

Meanwhile in Fruma there’s a constable with a blunderbuss that spawns in the Roughworks, the poachers in auburn use guns, and there’s cannons all over the Highlands and Aelumia

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

I think Wynn should have one but they are single fire firearms

so no gatling guns

no revolvers

only rymek luke has it

for Corkus

they kinda like

have laser weapon?

[silk ravine]

It still surprises me that Fruma is only like the size of the Wynn swamp, Almuj desert/Savannah and Rymek canyon combined and yet there’s so much to do in it.

[hybrid gazelle]

if that a way to say it

their gun powered by electricity

[silk ravine]

Corkus is magical tech, Fruma is more industrial so that makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[silk ravine]

If I had to guess Fruma is like early Industrial Revolution era IRL

Swords & plate armour are still used commonly but early guns and artillery are also pretty common

[hybrid gazelle]

yep

also the crown would be the one who hav early guns

at leaset the best of it

so there no worry about rebels force pull out AK on them

[silk ravine]

Yeah only the elite soldiers get them probably

[hybrid gazelle]

constable are not really elite

but they do get a shotgun

[silk ravine]

Constables get them in the roughworks but not the ordinary soldiers

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think the sniper is constable

so no I just think it depend on their role

[silk ravine]

True

[hybrid gazelle]

and constable have armor on

so them using guns kinda

invalid for them to holding guns

not only they have diffuclt time to reload and aim

it also just

dude you got fucking whole ass armor

[silk ravine]

There’s also constables that throw grenades

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh therei s grenade back i medival time

so Wynn would have it too

[silk ravine]

Yeah true

[hybrid gazelle]

I did a lot of experiment with wartorn project

There evven like artificer role in the army

that mantain the magical weaponry on batte field

[dense python]

so i was reading some of the ana dialogue i missed, do we have any clue as to what the hell the player is

[paper wyvern]

snope

[dense python]

its even funnier to receive this loredrop at the end because throughout fruma we have had negative plot armor

[unique jungle]

the player is a fact checker

interesting

[dense python]

until the very end where you just killstreak multiple high level beings and a god like its a thursday

player powerscaling throughout the questline was a lil odd icl

[paper wyvern]

I mean we had kinda started the killstreak in dwarves and doguns

we kill a demon, then the eye, then a guy high on cosmic magic, then anathema

[dense python]

i mean that just makes it worse though, knowing we are already a beast when we enter fruma

and seeing our friends die along the way from situations where we could have stepped in

[paper wyvern]

I mean the dialogue says that we can take on the soverigns individually

the issue is the second zhiroak fight is when everyone is getting captured and killed

[dense python]

to be fair we dont kill ana alone

same for any other raid boss

so its not as insane of a powerscale

[hybrid gazelle]

like only raid that player have to solo

is NOL and TNA

well there like

NOTG I guess

[ashen salmon]

lari tells you to bring a squad for notg

[hybrid gazelle]

NOTG you can argue that you can bring someone with

so like okay I can see that

IDK who the crackheads you bring

but like sure

I can see that

[pine flower]

the roughworks pest control trust

[mossy badge]

Aka hitler

[hybrid gazelle]

I still see that line of dialogue basically just gameplay stuff where the game jsut tell you like

"THIS IS RAID CONTENT, BRING YOUR FRIENDS!!!!"

Because we dont really see that anymore

like notice how these type of dialogue stop appearing in newer raid?

and by newer I mean

TCC, WTP

because nobody give a fuck about TNA

also notice how they all ROL questline raid

[ashen salmon]

there really is like. nothing to preface tna

[pine flower]

wdym

[hybrid gazelle]

There is no premise to how player find TNA

it just there

there is no context

[pine flower]

ah true

[hybrid gazelle]

yes there is lore

but like without context

player just fucking find this random ass void hole and kill big black skeleton

cause reason

[pine flower]

we arent really given a reason to go there explicitly

[ashen salmon]

hey congrats on opening eo you can go here too

[hybrid gazelle]

TNA quest would help SE so much

because that fucking region rarely has quest to begin with

[ashen salmon]

problem is there really is nobody to like. give it

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it fine

it does not need to be someone

one thing that olmic runes did right for SE quest

[pine flower]

i mean there can probably be someone to give it, not a human or villager tho

[hybrid gazelle]

is to have the quest begin by player interacting with SOMETHING

and not someone

that the only positive note I ever give to Olmic Runes

I dont think quests should being just by talking to someone

espically in SE

it could be just player investigate stuff in SE

and boom quest started

I think that fine for quest premise

[pine flower]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

dont need to foce NPC in

I think that devaleu Se as a whole

because it supppose to be wasteland

have someone you can talk to just

kinda ruin the point of SE?

like my idea for TNA quest that

player start the quest by interacting with weird void portal in void valley

and then they end up in Blueshift

and they would investigate blueshift as they being stalk by TNA

and near the ending could be player finding out what TNA is before being kick out of blueshift in someway

and then they concluded that TNA need to be stop or osmething wahtever

rough summary

player in Fruma also talk more rn so like

player alone quest could work fine

[rugged trench]

Wasn’t the drill quest for tol rune altar like this?
The only quest that doesn’t involve talking to other NPCs it’s just you

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

but the way they done suck ass

it got a good premise but anything else about it suck

[radiant harbor]

Aledar invites us to bring other soldiers with us in the EO but Two talks about our win as if we went in there alone

[hybrid gazelle]

that talk about EO

and yeah it was in 1.19

it was literally written before ROL

so it in one of those weird time in wynncraft where like

"THIS IS VERY HARD CONTENT! BRING YOUR FRIENDS!" Type of dialogue

[twin perch]

what is the first song chronologically where you can hear the hero motif in?

[tropic locust]

which one is the hero motif

[radiant harbor]

Probably detlas

[twin perch]

the one which plays in play the saviour, genesis of the end

and more

[tropic locust]

uh

adventure

in emerald trail

is the first i think

that was fast

[edgy loom]

one thing that bothers me about the lore is the fact corruption doesnt really act like, well, corruption

it's meant to happen when light and dark clash

but the primary source of it comes from a portal

sure, this has to do with "planes" and all

but then we have the decay

agents of darkness literally interacting with light

and instead of corruption happening, they just leech the light. somehow. no corruption

then the silent expanse is the area filled with darkness

guess what

there's a big ass light obelisk in the middle of it

and it's PROTECTING the people

in the secret discovery we see that there's some corruption inside the monolith

but it's so damn little

that entire area should be corrupted to the core

[tropic locust]

there's a bit of corruption visible in the obelisk sd and when lari fights the parasite.

[light zealot]

I dislike the fact that dungeon quests have been decoupled from their respective dungeons. In my opinion, they take a lot of narrative weight out of dungeons and make them seem much less grand and important. This is especially true about Kingdom of Sand, Fate of the Fallen, and Redbeard's Booty. What are the reasons that these quests were decoupled from dungeon unlocks? I can't really think of a reason why a game as story-driven as Wynncraft would get rid of this interconnectivity, especially because dungeons often act as finales to entire quests or questlines.

[glossy shoal]

All that and the dungeon itself is not useful xd

But they made the right call with the new raid xd

[formal bridge]

Dungeons are interesting or fun enough on their own to be decoupled from their quests

At this point I just skip them entirely to do other quests instead when leveling my characters

It's more interesting and enjoyable content most of the time while also leveling faster

[brittle pagoda]

|| Is Two of Olmic origin that she can foresee the future? If yes, how is she still alive after all other Olmic people were wiped out? ||

[tepid blade]

She likely isn’t Olmic, but even if she isn’t, there are other Olms in Wynn

[brittle pagoda]

what who

[silk ravine]

There’s a merchant in Tempo Town who is a surviving Olm.

[brittle pagoda]

oh yeah true

but how did they survive?

[uneven basin]

Time shenanigans (?)

[shut hornet]

the reasoning was that some players don't really care about questing and we want wynn to be kind of an open game where you can just do whatever you feel like doing

and this is especially important in the earlygame

but then in fruma we kind of adopted a different philosophy where we made it way more story driven

maybe in the future quest reqs will return to dungeons, idk

itd probably be the same way as we handled fruma reqs where its per account

[rich blaze]

dont olm live for like a very long time

bob is half/full olm and he was like what 130 and still in his prime

if he was half imagine the lifespan of an olm

[tropic locust]

how do we know Bob was an olm?

[celest falcon]

if I recall correctly it’s because Olm have black skeletons and his mom (who is Witherhead) has a black skeleton

[tropic locust]

how do we know the witherhead is bobs mom

is it bc her grave in a hero's orgin is open?

[candid cliff]

That'd be great

[slender copper]

Wait, I thought witherhead being Bob's mom was a joke, is that actually true??? (Is the grave in the secret discovery where his mother's lies empty then?)

[celest falcon]

The grave being open and having black bones leading out of it yeah

[tropic locust]

ah ok

[dim plover]

Anyone here hasn’t done Ensemble of Hope yet
I need Flashback/ Replay Mod footage of the meeting room cutscene

[vestal rivet]

I have an archer at lvl114

I can run through it with replay mod

[dim plover]

The quest is 118 actually

[signal bough]

There’s one sane olm in the ancient city so I presume he’s just old

It’s a little weird there’s not more of an Olmic diaspora

[uneven basin]

I always assumed time travel was involved cause that's elf old xd

[vestal rivet]

Yeah and 114 is less than 118

[dim plover]

Alright
Lemme know whenever you got it

I mostly just need a visual reference for something I'm working and a Replay/ Flashback scene I can fly around in will be really useful

[vestal rivet]

I don't use Replay Mod often
do I just set it to record and send you the resulting file

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I hope this become the case instead

Literally so many dungeon quest get hit by this

Like ice barrow

Sand swept got the worse befause we kill hashr for

Literally no reason?

Like look back on the decision many dungeon jsut felt the lost in urgency and any kind of threat

[dim plover]

If you use Flashback that’s fine too

Yeah just send the file itself

For Replay the file is so freakishly optimized that the filesize is tiny most of the time

For flashback not much so but that one can just be started at the start of the cutscene and then end really quickly so that checks out

[warm flicker]

even outside of time shenanigans, theres evidence that the Olm still exist up to today, they never went extinct

[granite gate]

evidence being there's a whole flock of them sitting in a cave in dernel

[warm flicker]

thats what he gets for standing in the way of our totally legit archaeological expedition

[warm flicker]

Lost Soles quest mentions the Abyssal Galoshes being given to Delnar manor by an Olm, which happened fairly recently (give or take 100 years ago)

[granite gate]

i feel like that level of leaving the player to their own devices is a bit extreme especially when it comes to something like the dungeons where the context is completely lost without the quests, not to mention wynn has and always will be a quest oriented game and you should try to incentivize that in some way even if you don't 'force' the player to do them.
newer players don't know what is going on at all and leaving them to their own devices too much when it comes to the game's main source of content and xp will end up with just them grinding out aimlessly

this is only gonna become more true whenever msl finally gets done

[hybrid gazelle]

Agree

It just overall bad for gameplay and story

Like I always find the decision to make dungeon the mid part of the region weird no matter how it explain to me