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dim plover
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And the ones Maxie spawns in in the AHC AU serve him

grim totem
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thats counterevidence

calm kelp
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overall just really half baked premises for all the mechs and golems in wynn as a whole

grim totem
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i think that's reasonable, they plan to have more

frozen turtle
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i just dont know how smart the mechs are to work properly

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cuz the golems are smart enough to do stuff kinda on their own

hybrid gazelle
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one of the plausible idea to keep golems being made of ivllager intact

frozen turtle
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i think

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idk

grim totem
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at the bare minimum, theyre smart enough to mimic a wynn or at least maxie

frozen turtle
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this is a side of lore i dont know a lot about

hybrid gazelle
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is maybe using living being is more cheaper than trying to come up with complex magical writing

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for a production

grim totem
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hive mind theory šŸ”„

frozen turtle
grim totem
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in an AI perspective, corkus beating us rn

frozen turtle
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i can see Dr Urelix spreading mech propganda so he can keep his business

grim totem
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i believe its more about control than business

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that's a monopoly

hybrid gazelle
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because maybe corkian find their own way

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and still gatekept it

grim totem
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by definition that's a monopoly

frozen turtle
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it also uses electromagic which i mean villagers probably could do

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but villagers too lazy

hybrid gazelle
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yeah but like

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again

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depend on when Urelix comapny first founded

frozen turtle
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idk what the relation between corkus and other provinces are so idk

hybrid gazelle
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because it could before 900 AP

grim totem
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theyre oddballs fr

hybrid gazelle
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if it was before 900 AP where ocean open

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then it reasonable that villagers just dont know how to make magical automaton

grim totem
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lowkey a curveball to lore before rodo

hybrid gazelle
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so they just find a short cut by just putting people inside it

frozen turtle
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how old do villagers live for

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or well

grim totem
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yes

frozen turtle
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it might've been passed down

hybrid gazelle
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okay

frozen turtle
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nvm

hybrid gazelle
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another thing I forgot to left out

grim totem
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maltic elders are crusty

hybrid gazelle
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is that this golem rework idea

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also come with another rework

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which is forbidden prison

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since when I work for rewrite

grim totem
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hive mind theory šŸ”„

hybrid gazelle
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I have a big project caleld Wartorn Project

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this wartorn projct is pretty muchone big project where I put all my smaller projct that rewrite wynncraft stuff go

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and they interconnected to one and another

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so in this take, forbidden prison is essentially organ harvesting operation

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not only they provide people to the company like Urelix

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but also harvest organs from prisoners to rejuvante the upperclass with the use of fleshcrafting

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and Urelix is one of these mention upperclass that benefit from the prison

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not only his company but himself

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which is this take explaination on why Urelix able to live for so long even at 100+ years old

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my theme for villagers in my remake

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is a lot more magical being commerical/industiralize but not really in conventional way

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which is why golems stuff feel very industrial even tho their visual asthetic say otherwise

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I think other people say it best that in my take
Corkus is like Create mod while Villagers are like Botania mod

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they are technoilogy but in different direction

grim totem
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i like you dude

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keep that shit firey

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love to see your drawings

frozen turtle
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that is a really freaky idea but in like a really good way

grim totem
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^^^^^

signal bough
grizzled sphinx
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is there something I missed, does the player not get any kind of closure for the last fruma quest?
like is there somewhere to talk to ||tasim/all the insurgents|| after beating TWP or am i missing something

uneven basin
uneven basin
snow kiln
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There is more planned in future

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Also do the raid

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And talk to boss

grizzled sphinx
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i talked to boss, gotta find the leaves hq again šŸ’€

snow kiln
grizzled sphinx
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would you happen to have coords/vague idea where the hq is? its been a couple days lmfao

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found it

mint ice
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||Is there anything to do after the raid? Like story-wise? Do we get to talk with characters or anything like that?|| Fruma post-raid question

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Read the messages before ur msg

mint ice
acoustic nova
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What is this

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The mysteries of the border mountains coastline šŸ‘»

dim plover
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  1. Adds way too much effort into some magical altar thing, including particles forming a circle implying some degree of interaction
  2. Doesn’t actually do anything functional
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I remember that cave, some sea monster that was basically just a zombie with those player heads on the ground that spawned down here with cultists

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Not sure if they still spawned though

young dock
tropic locust
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how's killing people profitable

uneven basin
frozen turtle
# tropic locust how's killing people profitable

They sell the golems and he has the monopoly on how to make them

So if corkians introduced their tech he’d no longer have the monopoly. It’s less the killing part more just the fact he’s the one selling them

bold geode
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Is there any place I can read all of anathema’s post wtp

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Dialogue without killing the boss like 7 times

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I do not want to wtp this much

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The visage of Jaguabis yet haunts me

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bold geode
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Tysm ā¤ļø

tropic locust
bold geode
split night
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since Player's OC is up to interpretation so

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everyone have a unique Character

bold geode
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The implications of this are so fucked

split night
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I doubt they would ever let us know what actually in us xd

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if they do, it would be peak tbh

frozen turtle
bold geode
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anathema does say the spark is ā€œfamiliarā€

split night
bold geode
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Another entity of chaos? Balance, maybe?

frozen turtle
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The player has the powers of bovemists confirmed

bold geode
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perhaps we will see in the realm of dark expansion 2043

split night
slim belfry
split night
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considering we defeated Overtaken Orphion, i think beating Saphanis might be like fighting Orphion with his strenght got 5x stronger

frozen turtle
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The map of where bovemists reside and where corruption is is basically the same..coincidence? I think not

split night
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bold geode
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My headcanon is now that the player character is another instance of chaos, though perhaps taking a different form from war

mossy badge
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My headcannon is the opposite 🤯

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frozen turtle
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The player goes around balancing things out but from the like lore perspective, it wouldn’t make sense for there to be a realm of balance

bold geode
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Balance is just as valid but like, I prefer smth like change because the entire point seems to be finally shifting the tide of a seemingly endless war

frozen turtle
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Unless at some point light and dark were in love and made out at some point who knows

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Lovers to enemies trope

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I hope when they rework rol, they remove the plane of this shit and that thing

bold geode
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I don’t see the player as a realm beast because we know their underlying realms love spreading their influence and what fucking influence does the player spread?

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normalcy?

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What influence does the earth have

split night
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Unless player's Character is a physical realm beast

mossy badge
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The thinker šŸ’”

frozen turtle
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Honestly could be true

slim belfry
bold geode
# bold geode normalcy?

This opens a whole rabbit hole of whether anything is objectively good and any of the realms is right and I’m not willing to have that discussion

slim belfry
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I don't think they're of an "influence" but I do think the player is very closely tied to the world

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there are some hints to this from what we even have before fruma

bold geode
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Like for example for dern, that which wroughts flesh is their barber and makes u beautiful by giving u a hairfleshcut like

split night
# slim belfry one of many scion/beast theories

I honestly just prefer player's Character as really powerful or at least have unknown origin until the very end
questions can be left unanswered, I think this is one of the many question that would be kinda either disappointing or leaving us to have nothing to be creative about xd

frozen turtle
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Idk if its confirmed but I believe that the realm of war was made from the physical realm, which would kinda fit into the spark being familiar if we were some scion or beast of the physical plane

mossy badge
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Keep thinking guys
W brain

slim belfry
bold geode
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player to me is an instance of either change or balance, though whether it’s a ā€œrealm beastā€ or just some other eldritch apparition, who knows!

frozen turtle
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We could be like the parasite but like a parasitnot

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If they leave the player's power source/motivations unknown that would be kinda lame

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Like personality/past life i dont give a shit

slim belfry
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I think there is an answer we just won't know yet

bold geode
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Coming with dern update 2043 trust

slim belfry
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we only have puzzle pieces

frozen turtle
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Honestly I’m more confused about how the realm of war came to be lowey

slim belfry
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they have to make something

slim belfry
bold geode
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ā€œWake upā€? Nah.
a w a k e n

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slim belfry
frozen turtle
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Its been said it was our earth

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Their 1st connection to it

bold geode
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It’s kinda peak that you ā€œawakeningā€ in the very first tutorial quest foreshadows all this shit, kinda

slim belfry
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to there they can exert their will

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and claim

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seems to be a common thing for beasts to want

mossy badge
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Two says they only battled on the earth

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Why tf would they fight over.. nothing lol

frozen turtle
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||Sovereign Two: ...but in the end, they could do naught but orbit - holding influence in their own right, but possessing nothing to exert it on.

Sovereign Two: Until... they found it. A miraculous world, of magic and life, and all of a sudden, nothing became something.

Sovereign Two: They took. They battled.

Sovereign Two: And in so doing, they came to shatter the mirror which once held their reflections. A building pressure of light and dark and hate, until finally enough was enough...

Sovereign Two: And from those uncountable shattered pieces of their battleground, War came to be.||

it says they couldn't battle beforehand but it was when they battled on earth

mossy badge
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🤯

frozen turtle
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Two just yapping on about the mirror part which i dislike

slim belfry
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literally the part before

frozen turtle
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they hated eachother but war itself didnt come from that

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it came from their battle, which was on earth

cinder cedar
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they saw each other, became instant haters of one another but couldn't do shit

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untill they saw the planet

slim belfry
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oh

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so intent but no action

cinder cedar
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yep

mossy badge
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They should have chosen another planet smh

slim belfry
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ok so corruption does come from the physical world

frozen turtle
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  • the post wtp dialogue 1.3
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basically says it too

slim belfry
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wait so that means

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other influences can be born from the world

frozen turtle
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||All that you see… is the result of Their battle. || <-- the realm of war

||An unending clash… shattering collisions of earth and sky and sea… ||

frozen turtle
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tho it sounds like it depends purely on the light & dark

slim belfry
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also there's implied to be more realms too

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light dark and war are the only realms that we knowingly interact with

cinder cedar
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there's also a possibility of birthing new realms as the consequence of the conflict or

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it's what happen to War

frozen turtle
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isnt there the skylaar realm as well

cinder cedar
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so it can be done again

slim belfry
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now if the light and dark were to get along...

split night
cinder cedar
split night
frozen turtle
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if orphion and dern beast kiss then the realm of love and peace will emerge

slim belfry
slim belfry
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something something meteors

frozen turtle
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the cosmic side of wynn is so funny

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i wonder how cannon it is

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wocs šŸ”„

cinder cedar
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from all the buildup it seems pretty much cannon lore

frozen turtle
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why doesnt orphion just talk to the wocs and set up post there

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so silly

slim belfry
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space in general is odd

cinder cedar
split night
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what if space itself is Void

slim belfry
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space is a part of the physical "world"

frozen turtle
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oh and the entire void under the sky islands is weird as well

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i'd really like to see the diagram of what the map looks like cosmically

split night
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it make sense

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whgere is the graph

cinder cedar
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does the planet even work like our plants with cores and mantles and gravity whatnot?

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since there's a void under the sky islands and gavel

dim plover
cinder cedar
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or is the plante like flat earth or smt?

frozen turtle
split night
frozen turtle
dim plover
hybrid gazelle
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working on golems concept art rn

dim plover
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If it was, why do we only see void in Sky Islands and the TCC region

split night
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the part where the sine thing touch the straight line is the portal, the space between them is the void

dim plover
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Like, can’t anyone just dig downwards from any part of Gavel and fall into the void

slim belfry
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are you gonna post the world and void images šŸ™ƒ

split night
dim plover
frozen turtle
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my best guess is the sky islands & tcc is kinda just like a portal to the void area or smth weird

dim plover
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The old one didn’t have the TNA raid in Dern, which I wasn’t aware of when making the map

cinder cedar
frozen turtle
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not a portal but like

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kinda

cinder cedar
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maybe I am just stupid?

dim plover
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Which kinda doesn’t really make sense

frozen turtle
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real question is how big is the wynn planet if it's spherical

dim plover
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Also Geyser Pit’s description kinda words it as if the Wynncraft world follows planet logic because it mentions stuff like the mantle and molten layers

slim belfry
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but idk

frozen turtle
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i doubt they'll ever like, finish the earth map tho

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it'll just keep going as long as they want more content or space or just not wanna deal with it

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cuz they're adding bloomi soon

dim plover
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Genuinely

frozen turtle
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honestly i think bloomi could work behind the jungle area

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tho honestly recently ive seen a weird like

dim plover
frozen turtle
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dismisall of fan made content

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dismasal

dim plover
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@cinder cedar Wynncraft cosmology as of our current knowledge ^

frozen turtle
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dismissal

dim plover
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Technically the 3 realms could be touching each other but I separated them because it doesn’t make sense that we can just walk to each one

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They’re probably islands anyway so

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I mean, they are islands

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The Physical Plane is a singular massive island of reality

cinder cedar
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so if you think of all of that with the void being basically a spacedust ocean, it's all good

frozen turtle
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i think slykaars realm is somewhere in that void

dim plover
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Like the old works

frozen turtle
slim belfry
frozen turtle
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but its like gavels ocean where its just all mountain

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at the beach

dim plover
cinder cedar
dim plover
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I think a better representation for the void would be like, the space voids

frozen turtle
dim plover
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In space

frozen turtle
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of well ig fruma province

dim plover
slim belfry
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what even is the deal with physical plane space

frozen turtle
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true

dim plover
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Add actual shorelines

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We’ll talk about the shape after

dim plover
frozen turtle
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i get the mountains make it easier to build but its so strange as a landmass/ocean

dim plover
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Outer space is debatably part of reality so it’s all within the Physical Plane

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The void outside of the Physical Plane is defined as ā€œnothingā€ so nothing’s out there

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Lack of reality, basically

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If that makes sense

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But the void in game has stuff šŸ¤”

dim plover
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If there is nothing, how could something manifest

dim plover
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I guess there’s void between the islands though

dim plover
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frozen turtle
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the realm could just be a more gradient thing ig, like it doesnt have an exact boundry idk

slim belfry
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I love this image I'm grateful that it exists

frozen turtle
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or that ye

dim plover
slim belfry
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yeah the other two

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just putting this because tcc mentioned

dim plover
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I wish I clarified that I put quotation marks around ā€œedgeā€ because it’s not meant to be literal

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I drew an edge to demonstrate the colossus breaking a hole out of reality

slim belfry
bold geode
slim belfry
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Wynn is pretty whimsical

slim belfry
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that's part of its charm

dim plover
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We Need To Make Them Kiss

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It’s The Only Solution

frozen turtle
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thats what im sayinggg

dim plover
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They will make a new child that’s born out of love rather than hate

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(She’s the opposite of the Queen and will destroy a province rather than building one)

frozen turtle
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we get the nameless anomaly to help create a bridge between light and dark so they can kiss

bold geode
frozen turtle
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anomaly grabs can move reality around or smth like that so he just

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move light and dark together or smth

split night
dim plover
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Actually is light and dark even reality

frozen turtle
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like the void between light and dark, anomaly grabs part of each realm and makes a lil bridge

dim plover
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Or like, does the Plane of Influence even count as reality

frozen turtle
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no clue but i believe in the lil nameless guy

dim plover
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I assume it does?

slim belfry
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I don't think influences count as reality

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they're like abstract forms

dim plover
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Wouldn’t a bridge between realms literally just be like

A portal

mossy badge
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Its not real guys

frozen turtle
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basically

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but a direct portal

hybrid gazelle
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okay I think I finally get it somewhere

frozen turtle
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it'll be like a yaoi/yuri/yauri

hybrid gazelle
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I will detail the entire history of Iron Heart company later

split night
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is this canon?

hybrid gazelle
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The concept of patterns will still exist

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cause I like the idea of Wynn have make impact on the buisness scene of the villagers

slim belfry
hybrid gazelle
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there is idea of like

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this rework Iron heart quest

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you get to fight the unfinish golem

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One of the idea i have in mind is that

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during golem being "lobotomize"

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they put behaviour in them that would deter anyone from doing mantaince check on them unti lthey are authorize

split night
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i like how you just draw the villager with like, the triangle nose art quirk thing

hybrid gazelle
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due to this employee of Iron Heart like the tech crew would have special medallion to show the golem before allowing the mantaince check

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rn villagers just have big ears

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and I just call them sellans

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but for simplificty sake

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I will keep calling them villagers in this server

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but just know that they are called sellans in my take

split night
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Sellans?

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why is there name sellan?
what are they selling

hybrid gazelle
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goods

split night
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huh
what moment in Wynncraft that make you feel like you just walk into hotland, or city of tears for the first time?

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or cogworks

slim belfry
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I think fruma is supposed to give that feeling

split night
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any sufficiently advance area really xd
for me the entrance where you walk to the backdoor of Fruma is the part I felt like that

keen gate
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personal big fan of the moment of utter silence and ambience upon entering the great bridge after galippe warning

split night
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like
we've literally never seen a train before and first thing we see in Fruma is trains

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i love trains

edgy loom
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are there more provinces than wynn, gavel and fruma in the world?

split night
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the whole world can't just have like 3 provinces xd

edgy loom
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the map is closed off as a square but surely that's only temporary

split night
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yeah
gotta remember that Fruma was a weird closed off spot too

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though I would imagine they update the ocean first before anything bigger

edgy loom
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it's fair if they weren't mentioned by name since wynncraft lore was kinda made up along the way

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but not even a mention of them existing is wack

split night
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Give it time I think
they will either retcon it or add new provinces in the way if they needed to

frozen turtle
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realm of light

dim plover
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Grian said so

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(/j)

frozen turtle
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what even is a province in wynncraft actually

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like its kinda the landmass but then fruma exists

split night
split night
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near the same size of Wynn if we exclude rymek and SE

frozen turtle
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yeah but Fruma is just apart of the Wynn landmass unlike Gavel

split night
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Gavel is just, REALLY big but very empty

frozen turtle
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and its clearly not based on governments cuz Gavel exists

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where sky islands & dogun area is kinda blocked off

split night
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we have like, 2 quest about Light Forest and that's it

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I kinda wish Light Forest have more

frozen turtle
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there is realm of light, the drug one and the aledorei ones

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thats all i can remember

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lowkey

split night
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xd

uneven basin
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are you forgetting the ultimate weapon ?

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The ultimate quest šŸ”„

frozen turtle
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the ultimate weapon, the most interesting quest yet

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oh and that one mushroom size one, that might be aledorei idk

uneven basin
frozen turtle
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so then light forests quests are...

  • joke fetch quest
  • get high
solid fable
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i love running around in light forest the bgm is so good

hybrid gazelle
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I will be real either we need more quest or complete remake some of these

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You can say some rol quest is light forest

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But like

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This suck ass man

uneven basin
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There's secret discoveries

hybrid gazelle
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And they all fucking suck

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So like

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Why bother

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60% of them are filler

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Like

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What does light mushroom explain to us

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Light make good crack I guess???

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I guess another good guy Orphion into a pile

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Consider he can make loud blunt

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Fruma side quest forever make me vindicate that quest can be funny without being shove into your face

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And little side quest can be use for world building

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Unlike

split night
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the drug side quest

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where we are literally high

hybrid gazelle
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Idfk what ultimate weapon is

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The entire joke is that it’s fetch quest but like

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Jt kinda fall short when we got like 6+ fetch quests in this game

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Like wow dude

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That so funny

frozen turtle
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Orphion has a drug empire

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and u cant convince me otherwise

hybrid gazelle
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That shit is like what if borderland has a sidequest where the entire quest is about toilet humor

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Like

split night
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they should make Light Forest quests a bit more relevant
they are literally just SE but smaller and also like, also have really few quests, the same amount as SE

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xd

frozen turtle
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i mean, technically Light forest should be as important as SE but ig not

uneven basin
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Well in my opinion

hybrid gazelle
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Gavel when it come to telling engage world building and not pointless unfunny joke quest

hybrid gazelle
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That

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It just as I said

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The joke fall short

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Becuase we get shit like tol or Bob quest in the game

split night
uneven basin
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I feel the new version is a bit better because you don't just fetch it riffs on plenty other aspect of basic Wynn quests

split night
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like i have never seen a more ass fetch quest

hybrid gazelle
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Now temple would be funniest joke for fetch quest

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Because nothing about that quest make any goddam sense thst it feel absurdly funny

frozen turtle
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temple of legends works better as a fetch quest, ultimate weapon isnt needed lol

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like the ultimate weapon is a joke about fetch quests, which are already in the game

hybrid gazelle
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Yeah

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It like

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It’s another fetch quest but jokingly!!!!

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Whcih change nothing btw

split night
frozen turtle
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light forest lore āŒ
joke fetch quest āœ…

hybrid gazelle
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Temple of legends is funnier in older version

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Brcause fucking Kelight demand to see the soul of the province’s hero

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And you just show him his crushed soul 😭

split night
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Like for real Light Forest could have similar lore relevancy quests maybe related to the elf similar to the Olm in SE 😭

frozen turtle
hybrid gazelle
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This shit is like go up to chirstian and show them the soul of Jesus chirst

frozen turtle
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also how has anyone else entered the temple of legends

hybrid gazelle
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Uh

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Good question

frozen turtle
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maybe they

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raised the requirments

split night
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Bob's crushed soul is on the drug market

hybrid gazelle
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Tol make 0 fucking sense the more yoh thjnk about it

hybrid gazelle
split night
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have you ever try snorting one of Bob's crushed soul dust?

frozen turtle
hybrid gazelle
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Shoutout to Bob that for some reason

frozen turtle
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just a fun fact

hybrid gazelle
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Scatter his animals riend through out the world

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For random ass stranger to kill them

split night
hybrid gazelle
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Like big question

frozen turtle
hybrid gazelle
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What happen if someone else come to fucking kill these animals?

frozen turtle
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thats why bob drug is so good, cuz he was always high

hybrid gazelle
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Like what then

split night
#

I remember he said something along the line of being worthy for killing his animal friend and my face like, huh??

hybrid gazelle
#

Bob is a psycho dude like WTF was that

frozen turtle
#

and out of all the animals he chose the lamest ones

frozen turtle
#

i like mooington tho

hybrid gazelle
#

It even more fucked up that like

#

Cluckle is a newborn

frozen turtle
#

that sheep in fucking the fucking

hybrid gazelle
#

He literally like

frozen turtle
#

maro peaks

split night
#

shoutout to the sheep in maro peaks

hybrid gazelle
#

ā€œSorry dude but you know someone gotta slime you•

frozen turtle
#

i hate maro peaks

#

and therefore that sheep

split night
#

everyone hate Maro peaks

frozen turtle
#

i want a maro peaks rework pronto

split night
#

like i haven't found anyone who say "ooohhhoho I LOVE the helmet mechanic!!!"

supple walrus
#

oki I'm just casually trying to figure out how the ancient fruma text works

#

bc why not

hybrid gazelle
#

Bob straight up imbue his power onto newborn chicken and tell it that some random ass stranger gojng to come and kill it :sob;

slim belfry
frozen turtle
#

good luck

hybrid gazelle
#

No wonder why cluckle was pissed

frozen turtle
#

i will rework maro peaks myself

hybrid gazelle
#

I would be pissed too if I did not even an adult and that Bob mf send me on death mission

split night
#

what was cluckle even doing in Nohno basement

hybrid gazelle
#

So basically

frozen turtle
hybrid gazelle
#

bob give cluckle to Nohno

frozen turtle
#

that man was marrying chickens bro

hybrid gazelle
#

And Cluckle was being too aggressive

supple walrus
#

oh that thread wowie

split night
hybrid gazelle
#

So Nohno just send him to basement

#

Because Cluckle is cockatrice

split night
#

I wonder if Nohno's wife gave consent to the marriage

hybrid gazelle
#

Idk man like

#

Nohno is problematic media

#

Someone kill this man

frozen turtle
#

i always kill nohnos wife cuz i feel bad for the chicken wife

slim belfry
frozen turtle
#

cuz i cant kill nohno

hybrid gazelle
#

But then again

#

We got black faced npc in wynncraft

frozen turtle
#

who

hybrid gazelle
#

Worrid

split night
#

we need homophobic npc to complete the set of problematic character

slim belfry
#

ah yes the hybrids

hybrid gazelle
split night
frozen turtle
#

Her Majesty literally stopped yuri she's the most homophobic

split night
#

šŸ˜”

hybrid gazelle
#

We got black faced npc

#

We got race traitor

#

And what else we missing

split night
#

another fallen soul

frozen turtle
#

Orphion is Yaoi, Dern beast is Yuri and Anaethema is Homophobia

hybrid gazelle
#

Also mr beast

#

<@&268142859327242242>

#

Nvm fuck

frozen turtle
#

i was abotu to say

#

that qwas quick response as u pinged them

split night
#

Yauri

frozen turtle
#

think about it tho

#

Dern Beast lead to Aledar ||death|| to stop tasim yaoi cuz dern beast is yuri

split night
#

maybe Bak'al was leading Lari to Dern for a reason 😨

#

Lari x Saphanis gotta be a crackship

frozen turtle
slender copper
split night
frozen turtle
#

Losing to lari is embarrasing lowkey

slender copper
split night
slender copper
split night
#

Bob is in here too

slim belfry
#

that'd be a fun twist

frozen turtle
#

kill parasite, an evil bug thing āŒ
kill bakal who is actually a person āœ…

split night
#

...?
at this point in RoL questline, we already like, teach her that killing is fine sometimes

of course she would do that
like can you imagine RoL 1 Lari interact with Bak'al šŸ’€

#

there is a difference between RoL5 Lari and RoL1 Lari guys, she had her character development

slim belfry
#

it's funny because nobody seems to have caught onto that

split night
#

I find it hilarious that the Parasite is basically comparible to Bak'al in a sense that if you strap them in a chair and show them good thing they would vomit

yet people say shit like "kil bakal who is actually a person" as if bak'al didn't mass murder people in Wynn

frozen turtle
#

Oh i caught it it’s just the character development wasn’t done that well

silk venture
#

Lari sucks guys like idk what to tell ya

split night
#

šŸ˜”

slim belfry
#

idc about lari

#

whatever happens happens

silk venture
#

We fresh outta fruma killing shit she's lived for hundreds of years crying about ants she stepped on by accident

split night
#

It's your opinion I guess, people can have different opinion on Lari, I just want to keep it as fair as possible

frozen turtle
#

Lari could be good it just a revamp

slim belfry
#

^

split night
#

every Lari conversation is just gonna looped back to Orphion being the actual asshole and "hey ROL is gonna be rework, why argue"

#

xd

frozen turtle
#

they dont make the orphion thing clear enough imo

silk venture
#

Lari coming with us to dern???

split night
slim belfry
#

I've always not liked orphion ever since RoL but yeah there needs to be more indicators

hybrid gazelle
silk venture
#

We are going to dern to meet with lari to kill satan once and for all???

split night
slim belfry
#

wait c0rr remember that convo we had about orphion here before fruma

silk venture
#

Let's take the bird lady too she might be helpful in dern

hybrid gazelle
#

how player roll up with Poxper's skin in All Road To Peace

hybrid gazelle
#

Zuitt see a guy wearing his own kind skin as armor and decide that he should risk it all for diplomat

pine flower
silk venture
slender copper
slim belfry
hybrid gazelle
#

this is not even a joke

split night
#

that's like, during near end of invincible

#

so you won't see it in a long time

frozen turtle
silk venture
#

Yeah 7 years till the next season of invincible

slim belfry
slender copper
frozen turtle
#

wear

split night
slim belfry
silk venture
#

Nah light guy good dern guys bad

frozen turtle
#

we just dont get any justification thar Orphion was an asshole tho

#

its just what makes sense

#

we get a lil but like not a lot

hybrid gazelle
#

I think I might over correct on all side are evil kind of deal

#

but like

slender copper
hybrid gazelle
#

THE CORRECT view for this

#

is that both Light and Dark are equal in moral

and they only see physical world as something to exert upon on

#

they are not outright evil

#

it just that their end goal pretty much mean all of us are fucking dead

#

but to the pov of higher being, this is not consequtial

#

they are not outright malicious

slim belfry
hybrid gazelle
#

but yeah

pine flower
#

Gross

slender copper
split night
frozen turtle
#

I like the idea Orphion knows people think of light as good and just pretends to be so orphion can exert their force

split night
#

how did people missed this

hybrid gazelle
#

because it easier to say that both side are evil

#

even tho there are nuance to this situation

#

but still tho like

slim belfry
#

the reason why orphion seems good rn is because he's losing and desperate

frozen turtle
#

underdog yeah

hybrid gazelle
#

as they remake mid game

frozen turtle
#

tho tbf doesnt orphion also "teach elves morals"

split night
#

I do hate that a lot of people ignore the nuances to like, any situation ever but yeah, sometime simplification is good

frozen turtle
#

"morals"

hybrid gazelle
#

we likely seeing Orphion red flag down the line

#

but yeah

#

both side are equal in morality

#

and they are not outright malcious or anything

Except now because Saphanis fucking hate us

#

so it proabbly will be malicious from this point on

silk venture
#

Nah they should 180 make orphion super justified

frozen turtle
#

go for the legend of korra treatment

split night
#

??
they are not absolute

silk venture
#

Make us feel wrong for distrusting the light

slim belfry
#

the real evil is inside the player

silk venture
#

True

slender copper
hybrid gazelle
#

KILL WYNNCORD

split night
#

aren't we human sometime just, good and sometimes we're assholes?
why would that be different to all powerful being with moral even simplier than us

silk venture
slender copper
pine flower
#

Lets honestly just go to dern and plant one of them light realm trees and make the two fight it out themselves

silk venture
split night
frozen turtle
#

realm of evil when

pine flower
slim belfry
split night
frozen turtle
#

orphion and saphanis have to fight the realm beast of evil

#

with us

#

100%

split night
pine flower
frozen turtle
#

they all are just driven by greed

#

no morality at all

slim belfry
pine flower
split night
slender copper
#

šŸ‘†

frozen turtle
#

earth is just the place to be

split night
#

i mean
call it greedy sure but after eons of torture and agony, Fruma is basically Anathema's heaven

slim belfry
restive yacht
#

I'm here once again to yap about stuff

split night
#

Her majesty reached Heaven for the first time and loved it

frozen turtle
#

just like ambititon/wantiong smth

split night
frozen turtle
pine flower
#

Credit to ana for making such a goated raid

hybrid gazelle
frozen turtle
split night
hybrid gazelle
#

Girl going to deepest layer of hell 😭

slim belfry
#

she was already there

split night
#

It feel really meaningful to me that to Her's Majesty, earth is her Heaven

slender copper
split night
frozen turtle
#

i bet the giveaways just go to fake accounts to keep money /j

hybrid gazelle
#

NGL

pine flower
hybrid gazelle
#

I wish Anathema got more going on iwth her dialogue box

#

Orphion at least got halo and antler in his box

#

but Anathema share her dialogue with Bak'al

#

which is like

#

underwhelming

#

like on Bak'al it fine

#

but on Anathema is just

#

very underwhelming

slender copper
hybrid gazelle
#

like iDK

frozen turtle
#

it could at least just have a few extra details

#

or smth

#

add some wings idk

pine flower
#

Me when i saw Siegfrieds dialogue box

split night
frozen turtle
#

SIEGFRIED MY BELOVED <3

slim belfry
#

I wonder if the actors will have slightly different portraits

hybrid gazelle
#

like you can see difference here

pallid rain
pine flower
#

What if ana had a broken or twisted one of them sovereign scales

hybrid gazelle
#

I wish Anathema has butterfly wing or something in her box

#

maybe a bit of chain going on

#

IDK

#

I feeel like they could do more

#

consider I remmber that they treating Realm beast's dialogue box as their protrait

#

but IDK dont quote me on it

#

maybe me making shit up

split night
#

xd

hybrid gazelle
#

but I think that idea sound coo

split night
#

I think the chain would fit really well in her butterfly form yeah

silk venture
slender copper
#

Question, is Anathema a butterfly or a moth?

hybrid gazelle
#

both can be true

#

that the whole point of her design

#

she is both butterfly and moth

split night
hybrid gazelle
#

they both creature of day and night

#

light and dark

#

even in one of the shrine in roguhwork

#

when you interact with it

#

it descript the image to be either butterfly or moth

#

she meant to be seen as both

slender copper
#

Ah.

split night
#

I love my butterfly moth anathema

hybrid gazelle
#

Anothe reason why Anathema design is good and Oprhion fucking SUCK

split night
#

should Orphion be a firefly?

#

or like

#

a giant sunfish

#

can you imagine sunfish Orphion

hybrid gazelle
#

Orphion can stay as a fox

#

It just I wish they do more weird thing with his design

slender copper
hybrid gazelle
#

Than him being anatomically correct

frozen turtle
#

orphion just a fox with antlers

#

while anathema is a sickass butterfly creature thingy

split night
hybrid gazelle
#

If you make a god like being who embodiment abstract concept

And you make it a something thst coukd exist in normal world

You fucking fail at your job

primal anchor
#

orphion got that dog in him

hybrid gazelle
#

Anathema design is fine because

#

You can’t make bug anymore freakier

#

So it fine

primal anchor
split night
#

3 eyes butterfly moth thing

#

I like her design

hybrid gazelle
#

Why is Orphion the exception here like

#

Why is he boring ass fox creature

split night
frozen turtle
#

like Anathema just is so cool design ways in every way

slender copper
primal anchor
#

i like how his design makes the parasite believable

#

hes just not opposable enough to pry it off himself

hybrid gazelle
#

Literally any other design can do thst job lol

split night
#

or im just hallucinating

frozen turtle
#

and then compare it with this

hybrid gazelle
#

Where the exaggeration?

split night
frozen turtle
#

literally, white fox, antler, orange tail

hybrid gazelle
#

Why is he anatomically accurate?

frozen turtle
#

he is not screaming " i am the embionment of light "

hybrid gazelle
#

It feel safe

frozen turtle
#

he is giving

#

pet

hybrid gazelle
#

The design scream safe

split night
#

pet material

frozen turtle
#

cuz orphion was made before a. lot of the rekindled new models

#

and they stuck with

#

the same design choices

hybrid gazelle
#

I have note for Orphion redesign

frozen turtle
#

instead of revamping him to be more unique

frozen turtle
split night
hybrid gazelle
#

Like

#

there literally Borzoi exist

#

and they look stranger than Orphion

split night
#

xd

frozen turtle
#

maybe just maybe, we'll see his "true" form and that was just his form for us to see

#

so we dont get freaked out

#

idk

#

im hoping

hybrid gazelle
split night
#

man, making Orphion look like borzoi just gonna make him even more pet material
i see Saphanis's vision now

frozen turtle
#

i doubt it but i am allowed to hope

hybrid gazelle
#

this was my proposal for orphion redesign

#

Iw ant NoL rework to come with RoL rework

Orphion fight is mostly fight, some tewak could be there but just give Orphion new model

#

NoL with WTP level of narrative progression would be such a nice way to end RoL

#

instead of

#

ORPHION AND HIS CRAZY HOUSE!!!!

frozen turtle
hybrid gazelle
#

piss dog

split night
#

piss dog

limber swan
#

its 2.1 content they wont rework something thats in date

hybrid gazelle
#

This orphion design would make a golden shower instead of sun shower

#

he look like mutated pig actually

silk venture
#

What's really so wrong about nol anyway?

hybrid gazelle
#

on it own like it fine
It can feel very video gamey but like it fine but with WTP exist

silk venture
#

We need a wtp rework first where are homies at during that?

hybrid gazelle
#

yeah no fuck NoL man

#

the palyers ayou are party with in WTP are Zeph, Tasim, and Sui

main nacelle
#

why would wtp need a rework?

hybrid gazelle
#

they are stand in

silk venture
hybrid gazelle
#

they said they want to do raid story mode

#

so IDK

#

maybe it will be a thing

#

maybe not

silk venture
#

That would be sick

main nacelle
#

oh, raid story mode

dim plover
hybrid gazelle
#

but other than that

#

NoL just need better narrative progression

#

cause like

#

wtf are these rooms

#

in NoL

#

l,ike

silk venture
#

Yeah otherwise raid is sick ash

hybrid gazelle
#

it could be better

#

it even worse because it like

silk venture
#

Wtp I mean

split night
main nacelle
#

so, we would have tasim , us, Sui and who's the 4th ?

hybrid gazelle
#

It's suppose to be the end of ROL story

split night
hybrid gazelle
silk venture
#

Man fuck tasim btw

dim plover
main nacelle
#

nuh uh, tasim is strong af and tanky, bro can tank the queen's

hybrid gazelle
#

TCC also fall similar problem

split night
# hybrid gazelle

still kinda baffle me
like get a load of this guy
he think he can take on Her's Majesty??

silk venture
#

I just hate him bc he knows nothing and blames us

hybrid gazelle
#

and even worse than NoL

#

because like

#

TCC at least have a story in the raid

#

it just

#

told very badly

split night
hybrid gazelle
#

NOTG is like fine

#

it basic

#

but like it fine

#

it functional

#

I dont expect much first raid

dim plover
#

I made that image back when old RoL still existed

#

With Orphion's seal

split night
#

woaw

slim belfry
#

maybe saphanis is gonna be more fish-like

split night
#

Seal Orphion sounds peak

hybrid gazelle
#

NoL on the otherahdn when you endure 5 quests that focus on lore

and a raid that have 80% of its content focus solely gameplay with no attempt to have exciting narratively progression other than just "clearing room"

#

eyah that

#

that sad

dim plover
#

Show them Trashie

hybrid gazelle
#

I hate the eel

dim plover
#

oh

#

I mean, I really liked it

#

It's still my favorite from your designs

hybrid gazelle
#

this is better one

dim plover
#

King in Purple looking ass

hybrid gazelle
split night
#

oh i remember the old fan design of Saphanis

dim plover
#

(Partially)

main nacelle
#

would be nice if every major cutscene are replaced with a link to a custom animation ( Squared Media's style or maybe Mr.furdgemonkeyz's style ) on youtube

slim belfry
split night
#

my saphanis take too 🄺

dim plover
# hybrid gazelle

The whole "eye with extremely dilated black pupil" tends to be really unsettling and it's cool that it's here

split night
#

crow Saphanis

silk venture
#

Remove cutscene skip from raid

dim plover
main nacelle
#

also can someone tell me what happened in apothesis ? like why would the queen became a kaiju moth and open a portal on the sky ? ( i skipped to much of the story )

dim plover
split night
#

look at the book and not reading it then ask a book reader

#

??

uneven basin
dim plover
split night
slim belfry
#

Light parasite

main nacelle
#

that sound kinna fake but i'll accept it.

silk venture
#

Im here to lead not to read

#

Since no one else in wynn can do anything

split night
dim plover
#

But since she was actually revealed to be Qira in disguise in Ensemble of Hope (who was also revealed to be a Dern native), the Light parasite ended up mixing with the darkness she had and corrupting her

#

So basically we're like, fighting the Queen but corrupted

split night
#

yeah correct

dim plover
#

Which brings it full circle to our fights in level 1-10

#

pretty cool stuff

split night
#

I love you 😭

frozen turtle
#

Theorick makes a return at some point

slim belfry
#

the return of Queen Qira šŸ—£ļøšŸ”„

frozen turtle
#

as well

split night
#

this is just so funny

main nacelle
#

also those " light parasite " are flea in Orphion's fur i assume ?

split night
hybrid gazelle
#

this was old saphanis design

#

like it fine for most part but i think owl just wayyy better

split night
hybrid gazelle
slender copper
hybrid gazelle
split night
hybrid gazelle
#

BETA FRUMA THEORY WAS FUN

#

but I like the way plot ended

main nacelle
#

has anyone tried saving the queen by absorbing her power after the raid ? i tried but that didn't work :((

hybrid gazelle
hybrid gazelle
#

and no you just get her blessing

split night
slim belfry
# hybrid gazelle

didnt think about the fact that queen's role in these images is just bak'al

hybrid gazelle
split night
#

and then during her fight, use your ultimate and you should be able to suck all of her power in

slim belfry
#

so the queen had to fill a different position

tepid blade
dim plover
slim belfry
dim plover
#

(Ana's eyes)

hybrid gazelle
#

all of this created before Apotehosis is out

#

this too

main nacelle
#

i wonder what will happen to fruma now since there's no official ruler anymore ? or we'll just beat the queen daily and then give her a moutain of paper to sign in after the fight ?

hybrid gazelle
#

I remember back then

#

when Fruma trailer drop

#

there was a small theory that the queen is intersex rep LOL

hybrid gazelle
#

it was fun

frozen turtle
#

well probably only like

#

zhirarok and um

dim plover
hybrid gazelle
#

but oh well she is not meant to be intersex

dim plover
#

(She's now some random Espren Citizen we use the Inquisitors to make everyone except her, the Resistance and the Sovereigns forget who she was)

pine flower
main nacelle
# frozen turtle sovereigns gonna take over

ughh, we unallived 2 of them, 3 left but one almost died bcause of his sandervistan, another is a nerd girl and the last one is just tasim ( don't tell me you expect an adventurer to be a king, that's like asking a random police to be the president )

slim belfry
dim plover
main nacelle
dim plover
slim belfry
#

it's whatever you make of it

main nacelle
#

how do i archieve this ?

hybrid gazelle
#

because like in the trailer where we get a clear look at the queen's cape

the wing is uneven so some people though she would be intersex

dense python
#

if u scroll down there are other options where you can say L Bozo and Skill Issue

dim plover
#

Maybe you should have been reading the dialogue properly

frozen turtle
hybrid gazelle
#

but with power of headcanon, we can say she is one

slim belfry
#

purple do you take dialogue comms 😊

dim plover
#

How many emeralds you offering

slim belfry
#

uh

dim plover
#

Nvm say what you want me to put in first

unique cedar
dim plover
#

I'll prep it

unique cedar
#

with the sound

slim belfry
#

I don't have anything in mind just curious

dim plover
#

Also yes

#

I can film something right now

unique cedar
#

Cooking over here

dim plover
#

What do you want me to put in

main nacelle
#

now that is some nice editing skill

dim plover
#

My recording software is broken one moment I'll restart my PC

unique cedar
dim plover
#

No but I can probably just make a resource pack that makes the hotbar invisible

#

Anyways hi back what do y'all want

slim belfry
#

thinking very hard to come up with something

dim plover
slim belfry