📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

Fun fact

the gendarme commander that barge into the room when you have audiences with the queen

you can see hyhet head inside his helmet

because like

that Hyhet

which MAKE HIM

the first boss altar to appear outside of boss altar

[pine flower]

Oh so thats why he had a unique siin

Skin

[formal bridge]

My god, a boss alter that actually matters? The greatest twist of them all

[hybrid gazelle]

here

you can see his head

yeah

that Hyhet

[unique cedar]

Where does that appear

[hybrid gazelle]

Ensemble of Hope

[pine flower]

When the player seeks an audience

[hybrid gazelle]

you can see the comparison

orihginally though it was alncer model

but you can definteily see the reference

NOT THE BEST SS OFC but

you get the idea

[fathom plover]

Wait, so then what happened within that timeframe that made Hyhet blind?

[hybrid gazelle]

acutally here better lancer look

[hybrid gazelle]

He see the queen's true form and styart spewing bullshit

and the Lighthouse hit him

which is why he said that hte Light blinded him

[fathom plover]

dang

[hybrid gazelle]

so yeah Hyhet is a fucking beast

because he took a shot from Light house to the head and live

[pine flower]

Cant everyone?

[hybrid gazelle]

beside us

no

even to us Lighthosue literally like

leave us lik 100 HP

[pine flower]

Ok yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

also not to mention

[formal bridge]

Took a lighthouse to the head and still boss worthy, what a unit

[hybrid gazelle]

that he still fight you after took a light house shot to the head

[fathom plover]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-omni-man-laser-you-wouldnt-dare-gif-22438539

probably went like this

flashing lights btw

[hybrid gazelle]

powerscaling go crazy

imagine if we get to fight Hyhet at his healthiest

[pine flower]

Simply get some healing pots

Would hyhet best the parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[fathom plover]

ngl I find it funny how nobody calls out the player for using health pots instead of healing spells or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

in the end he still just a guy

but like

he basicall what Skien meant to be

[fathom plover]

they're all like "good fight" when I use 30 health pots in a duel with them

[pine flower]

I mean some of us do prefer spells

[fathom plover]

true

[pine flower]

Can they really complain when they have millions of hp compared to our 10-20k

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH

if player character were to scale down a lot more

like if we did not beat the eye and shit beforehand

and this is wayearlier story

I can just imagine gendarme to be really tough fight

Wing knight could be boss of their own LOL

[formal bridge]

We do fight two sovereigns and the queen pretty much in a row so the PC is canonically cracked

[hybrid gazelle]

or mini boss

player is pretty cracked yeah

TBH if wynn army ever get restructure for rewrite

I imagine knights being monster hunter type shit

LIKE
pleASE

imagine if Wynn introduce the concept of Knight being different in their world

where they are monster hunter that kill powerful corrupted and devils

[pine flower]

Blinded saphanis, killed the void born, halted the decay, prevented ahms 2.0, killed some big worms

Wait if they saw everything we did excluding the rol stuff, do they know about the wocs and wybels

[fathom plover]

wocs?

[pine flower]

The thing drale is

A woc but plural

[silk ravine]

Alien cow people, like Drale.

[fathom plover]

ah

[silk ravine]

They're more a gag than anything else right now to be fair

[fathom plover]

they likely do know, but they probably just put it in a list of anomalies or just weird beings

[pine flower]

Yeah but they have their own tucked away lore, which is odd for a gag

[fathom plover]

I wonder if they come from beyond the rectangular mountain ridge that surrounds all the provinces including the ocean

[pine flower]

Well there might be one on the moon

[viscid heart]

idc what they are if they dont allow me to farm le

this is how i rank lore by importance

[pine flower]

What about sevale reef lore

[silk ravine]

Unironically the hardest boss in the game rn

[mossy badge]

Its ez lol

[errant brook]

all i noticed was that he was pretty tanky for a random guy

[main nacelle]

has anyone tested the effect of this item?

[mossy badge]

Ye its the rift from apotheosis

[main nacelle]

ughh, so it wll just tear a rip on the sky ?

[silk ravine]

What build did you fight him as?

[mossy badge]

I mean ye i was lightbender so..

But still he didn't 1shot

Or maybe i used fire pot.. hmm i dont remember

[silk ravine]

He's got like double the health of the queen, hits way way harder and you fight him in a tiny room

[shell pilot]

you can disable it

[dim plover]

He's got like double the health of the queen
Wait does he?
How much health does he have

[mossy badge]

No way bro

I killed him in like a min with lb

No way he has like 200m

[dim plover]

I fought him and did not remember him being more difficult than the Queen

or with as much health

[shell pilot]

queen as in the story bossfight

[dim plover]

yeah

[mossy badge]

Oh

Eh

[dim plover]

Does he really have double the health?

[mossy badge]

Im pretty sure queen took me longer lol

[dim plover]

I genuinely don't recall him having that much health

[silk ravine]

He's got 14 million, the Sun Judge is the one with double her health. I keep mistaking the two lol.

[mossy badge]

I also remember the queen hitting harder

I could just tank hyhet 💔

[silk ravine]

The queen wasn't that bad for me

She had one unavoidable attack but even with my glassy battlemonk build it wasn't awful

Hyhets arena just sucks

[mossy badge]

Can u avoid the attacks if u fly?

[silk ravine]

Some of them

[mossy badge]

Hmm

Also if u can just charge up ulti and enter with it, it'll die in a second with archer lol

[silk ravine]

I'm not an archer

[mossy badge]

Tbh idk warrior with new changes

[silk ravine]

Hyhet on paper is like a buffed Majin, it's just his arena hard counters flying because it's tiny

[hybrid gazelle]

not only that

but he also got a gap closer that he can do in rapid sucession

[silk ravine]

If aren't a well built paladin or rich enough to afford an idol with good IDs for monk, good luck lmao.

Thrunda is in theory bmonk's best budget spear and its orders of magnitude worse than Idol

[drifting aurora]

trueee

[silk ravine]

Isn't she dead?

[mossy badge]

Yet we can communicate with her 🤯

[silk ravine]

Even then I'd imagine Qira isn't going to just let her go

Although I doubt we'll ever see any more Qira lore lol

One day hopefully they rework ToA & the Hive to actually mean something

[blissful stirrup]

I've been thinking

So there's 3 major realms right?
•Dern/Darkness Realm
•The Realm of Light
•The Realm of War/The Corruption

As of now, we only have access to the realm of light and corruption?

Or is the realm of war linked to dern?

Since Ba'kal was supposed to the corruption dude yet also served the dark deity from Dern?

[frozen turtle]

We only have realm of light & realm of war (via WTP only at that one spot). Dern is not linked the corruption but is linked to the void holes i think

and like the nameless anamoly area

idk

[mossy badge]

Dern portal at the end of SE 🤯

[neat oriole]

road to dern

[frozen turtle]

yea but we dont have access to it

[mossy badge]

Tho aren't they linked like light <-> war <-> dark, like WAR was their battleground

[frozen turtle]

that hasn't been confirmed but could be true. the war being the battleground isnt true

[mossy badge]

Doesn't 2 say it

[frozen turtle]

so like, the hatred between light and dark created a new realm

idk

lemme re read

[silk ravine]

Yes

[mossy badge]

Eh

wat

[frozen turtle]

if u read a bit before that it says that they battled on the plane of influence

Sovereign Two: Until... they found it. A miraculous world, of magic and life, and all of a sudden, nothing became something.
Sovereign Two: They took. They battled.

actually wait

[mossy badge]

I mean its still true that war became what was once their battleground

But ig there's no connection

[frozen turtle]

its hard to tell if its literal cuz Two just loves their mirrors

[drifting aurora]

there might be another source on the subject

[frozen turtle]

i may just be dumb who knows

[drifting aurora]

if you know what to ask

[blissful stirrup]

Is Bob actually dead?

[mossy badge]

Who knows

[frozen turtle]

is ths something new or the realm of light info dump

[mossy badge]

His grave in nesaak and the story that he died by wolves is false

[blissful stirrup]

It'd be kinda sick for the next region expansion to be tied to Dern

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[blissful stirrup]

And you get to meet Bob

The strong hero in history vs the strongest hero of today

[frozen turtle]

Ragnar !!

[blissful stirrup]

Not that weird thing you fight at lvl 70

[drifting aurora]

well, do you know what to ask?

[neat oriole]

lexnt when's dern coming

[frozen turtle]

what is this riddle

[mossy badge]

Tomorrow

[neat oriole]

epic

[frozen turtle]

are you the other source?
im confused

is the realm of war a realm created from nothing or an existing plane turned into war

[neat oriole]

the other source is in game

i think

i can give more hints maybe i might know what the source is

[frozen turtle]

maybe? idk lexnt is the riddler or smth

[mossy badge]

The riddler 😼

[drifting aurora]

i am electing to avoid saying things outright

[mossy badge]

W the riddler

[frozen turtle]

yea sure

[drifting aurora]

youre allowed to just say what you think it is. im limiting myself to avoid giving all the answers as ct lol

[frozen turtle]

oh okay so this is like a ct thing

[mossy badge]

🤯

[neat oriole]

lexntttt can i say what the source i think is idk

[frozen turtle]

im so slow today

[neat oriole]

or maybe dm you it to make sure

[frozen turtle]

ur not ct u can say whatever u want

[mossy badge]

Didn't they just say smth about giving answers

[neat oriole]

ermmmm

you get to talk to the source after a big fight

[frozen turtle]

oh that

[neat oriole]

basically a name drop

[frozen turtle]

i think i read that ut i lowkey cant remember anything about it

[mossy badge]

Its a lot of text lol

[frozen turtle]

ok yeah i was right

1.3

i think

[mossy badge]

I mean i still come to the same conclusion

[frozen turtle]

post-raid spoiler ||An unending clash… shattering collisions of earth and sky and sea… ||
but to me that sounds like what i thought originally

w/ what two said

[mossy badge]

the only glimpse of that world beyond

[frozen turtle]

right before it "stolen life"

||to me it sounds like anethema is like yearning cuz war was originally the world||

[mossy badge]

I mean its interesting cuz she basically says they fucked up the earth

But like the earth is fine now

[frozen turtle]

there was secretly a 2nd earth that was destroyed and became the realm of war 🤯

[mossy badge]

I interpret it as row is just a copy of our earth

[frozen turtle]

i mean like, corruption behaves kinda similar to life on earth which is interesting (kinda)

[mossy badge]

Wdym

[frozen turtle]

the cold slows it down, it struggles to survive in the desert and cant' travel through the ocean

you could sayt hte cold & ocean is cuz its fire but

its interesting how it doesn't spread well in the desert

[mossy badge]

Is it true?

@Grok

Like there is as much corruption in desert as in ragni plains no?

[frozen turtle]

there are 2 corruption spikes on the outskirts areas (so basically where it isnt a desert)

and then a singular corruption area underground which is used for a world event i think

rymek may be corrupted i forget if its just lava or corruption

[mossy badge]

It is corruption

There are corruption WE(s)

[frozen turtle]

i may be making it up i think i talked about it before

[drifting aurora]

...i actually dont know what the deal with the lava in mesa is

[frozen turtle]

mesa = hot?

[split night]

mushroom

[mossy badge]

There is lava at the portal also

[split night]

the corruption feel a lot like a type of mushroom to me

[mossy badge]

[drifting aurora]

fungu s

[split night]

You know how the "mushroom" itself is a spore spreader while the rest of it is like, underground and attach to roots of trees or spread out to find food
so like

[frozen turtle]

i feel like rymek doesnt need lava, like mesa is already cool enough imo

and i dont think its for a lore reason

[split night]

the Spike is the spore spreader while the roots are the mycelium

[mossy badge]

Ye

[hybrid gazelle]

Everutime I remember corruption spike

I think of this

[split night]

actually lemme research to see which one is the closest to the corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

wish corruption look more like this

[split night]

where are you finding these creepy black and white art/picture

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

someone send it to me

as ref for corruption spike

and I really like it

it meant to be an art depiction of nuclear waste

and how it done to land

[slim belfry]

unnerving images

[hybrid gazelle]

I think wynn just has

so much ptoetnai lfor a bunc hof aftermath of war imagery

I imagine how would Nesaak look if it like nuclear winter

but like

[frozen turtle]

they could implement it into the realm of war if we get more access to it

cuz i think that would be cool

[atomic hamlet]

I doubt we’re getting more access to the Realm of War

There’s just nothing in it

It’s an empty miserable wasteland that goes on forever

[split night]

it's beautiful spark faded 😔

[frozen turtle]

a.. wasteland?

i think it would still be cool to have just to explore

and die

[hybrid gazelle]

on topic of war

I draw another queen and lari

[split night]

she look so tired 🥺

[atomic hamlet]

It’d basically be like a Minecraft superflat world of netherrack filled with roaming Annihilations

[frozen turtle]

Yeah but like in the photo with the wasteland that could be done so it’s still cool

[atomic hamlet]

I just don’t understand why you would visit it for a narrative reason

[frozen turtle]

Queen just wanted to hear the goss about bakal

[frozen turtle]

Yea I just think it would be cool

[atomic hamlet]

||The Queen|| says there’s absolutely nothing in there that’s worth of anything to you apart from plain misery

[split night]

her spark would reform but by the time that happen we would already die of old age

xd

[frozen turtle]

not disagreeing, i just think it would be cool to see

[atomic hamlet]

I mean I guess you would enter post-Dern to free new Anathema from it

[hybrid gazelle]

that remidn me

I need to repost my art

[dim plover]

I want to see more of that Trashie AU

[radiant harbor]

Why did they remove the PvP area there

[slim belfry]

don't want people to end up with corruption irl

[dim plover]

Too late
You know those red spikes on the ping meter during low connection

That’s corruption spikes in your computer

(Fighting Wall of Flesh atm)

[slim belfry]

corrupted fallen factory potential

[dim plover]

It’s funny how people kinda just forget that corruption can corrupt non-living things whenever they ask “how would Corrupted Fallen Factory work? Aren’t they all mechs?”

[slim belfry]

I can never forget corrupted poop so that's that

[dim plover]

I just realized that I have models for both Orphion and Dark Orphion Dern Beast

I can get people to pay me LE to make then make out on-model

Okay in all honesty I’ve been remaking all the Sovereign models because I want to make a really really funny cutscene with all of them

It’s like really out of character but I’m obsessed with the idea

[whole river]

I always thought it was funny cuz they knew 90% of your achievements and threw zhiraok of all people at you😂

[clear scaffold]

To be fair can't exactly kill him through normal means

[raw badge]

Are there any other interactions after Wartorn Palace ||except for Tasim near the Leaves in the Wind's original base||?

[mossy badge]

Nope

[raw badge]

Darn

I'm guessing Rex, Sui & Zeph are basically nowhere atm?

[mossy badge]

Ye

[smoky bridge]

who is reland looking for in fantastic voyage

was he a friend of bob but then went insane or sum like that

[mossy badge]

It is bob ye

[dim plover]

I just realized I need the meeting room too

Mmm

Okay wait brb

Which quest is the first time the player enters the palace meeting room?

Is it Ensemble of Hope or smth

[slim belfry]

yeah

[dim plover]

Has anyone here not done that quest yet

[unique jungle]

nobody is here

[slim belfry]

hi

[slender copper]

Done all of the quests, that's why I'm here.

[narrow kestrel]

is he talking about kandon-beda

[unique cedar]

He's talking about the skyraiders I think

apparently they are a different race altogether(???)

[narrow kestrel]

are they mentioned elsewhere

[unique cedar]

There's a secret discovery in ahmsord

they're there

the whole quest about them also

[mossy badge]

There's also another SD about them

At their fort

[narrow kestrel]

oh

this is my first SD

should i do the canyon raid

[mossy badge]

Smh

[narrow kestrel]

before i do SD in ahms

[narrow kestrel]

???

im asking because qapparently i was supposed to do light forest SDs before nexus

😭

getting the UD of light forest after i petted the dawg like 10 times already was anticlimatic

[mossy badge]

lol

I mean i dont think it matters that much

I dont remember any SD about the CANYON colossus

[restive yacht]

Secret Discoveries tend to not have a progression, it's up to you to make up for what they wanna tell you

U can also go back to most of them

With no Lore loss

[restive yacht]

There is, the ultimate discovery

[mossy badge]

Im pretty sure some of the SDs before fruma are not redoable

[restive yacht]

(yes it counts as SD)

[mossy badge]

The CANYON colossus

[narrow kestrel]

??

is there another colossus or something

[edgy loom]

the sky islands lore is still confusing to me

[narrow kestrel]

why are you emphasizing canyon

😭

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

Have u been to the void

[narrow kestrel]

no

i just got to ahms

[edgy loom]

like what's even up with the mini colossi near cinfras

[narrow kestrel]

my latest quest finished was the final part of dwarves and doguns

[edgy loom]

tbf I think it's easily missable

[narrow kestrel]

finished every SD + UD in molten heights too

[edgy loom]

you need big ass render distance to appreciate it

[narrow kestrel]

??

[mossy badge]

U dont? 😭

[narrow kestrel]

where is it

[mossy badge]

Just use ur eyes

Also 12 is the max render u can get without mods and its not that much

[edgy loom]

twin bro is literally spread everywhere

voxy or nothing

[mossy badge]

Just try the raid and then do the quests & sds

[narrow kestrel]

???

dude

i have no idea where it is

😭

its not in the map either

[mossy badge]

Where is what?

The void? Its quest locked

[narrow kestrel]

oh

fack

[mossy badge]

Dont worry about it

[narrow kestrel]

where does fruma quests start

so i know when to stop doing anything and just powerlevel in the bat cave or whatever it was called

dont even know if its possible as assassin tbh

[mossy badge]

Fruma is quest locked

Bat cave is in fruma

It starts at "queen's recruit" anyway

[spring kernel]

Queen's recruit 103

[narrow kestrel]

103

fuck

im so close

😭

i dont wanna powerlevel as assassin bro

shit is so ass

[spring kernel]

you'll get there

[mystic fulcrum]

Why no one wants to grind fort heaga training ground

[mossy badge]

U couldn't even enter without some quests

[spring kernel]

you need to do other quests anyway

[narrow kestrel]

yea

but i doubt its enough to take me to 120

i heard shit gets exponential

at 105+

[mossy badge]

Why do u wanna enter fruma at 120.. ?

[narrow kestrel]

i saw someone's exp bar at like. 3 billion per level

[mossy badge]

Ive been doin fine in my 105 build in fruma

[narrow kestrel]

apparently some of the quests are like. FAR apart in level

[mossy badge]

Quests are not the only content

[narrow kestrel]

and ur getting cliffhanger'd until you powerlevel for like 20 hours

[spring kernel]

i mean no

there's at least one at each level

[unique cedar]

World Events, Caves and Secret discoveries will give you enough xp to level up

[narrow kestrel]

you are in lore discussion bro i want the quests

[mossy badge]

Not really

[narrow kestrel]

💀

[unique cedar]

there were only 2 levels where I had to level up by grinding mobs

[radiant harbor]

So you prefer to power level as assassin?

[mossy badge]

Same but i did WEs instead

[narrow kestrel]

i just hope fruma has good characters because they just wasted tasim and aledar for no reason

[unique cedar]

well and 119 to 120 but there isn't really any content locked behind 120

[narrow kestrel]

idk why they disappeared after that level 25 quest

[unique cedar]

Yeah I did that too

[mossy badge]

Does he know

[radiant harbor]

They didn't waste tasim, he just disappeared

[narrow kestrel]

as long as i dont get cliffhanger'd, sure

😭

[naive gorge]

i do wish they put both of them in more quests tbh

[mossy badge]

They will

2040 ahh

[unique cedar]

The Wynn Province doesn't have an overarching storyline yet like Gavel or Fruma do

[mystic fulcrum]

Do tasim ever go to realm of light?

[mossy badge]

No?

[naive gorge]

i dont think so? he hasnt mentioned that

[unique cedar]

It would be cool if tasim had a cameo in ROL though

[radiant harbor]

Tasim will appear in dwarves and doguns 4 to say "I too am in this quest line" and then disappear again

[unique cedar]

This vexes me

[mossy badge]

Prolly not gonna happen

[naive gorge]

they really need to put them in more quests before level 100 😭

[unique cedar]

Rest of the recruits from Queen's Recruit too

some of em at least

[radiant harbor]

I can also see him appear in the Iron Heart questline

[mossy badge]

99% of players dont remember them 🔥

[naive gorge]

im ngl i didnt even know the doctor from uncovering the past(? i think thats the name) was fruman until i started fruma lol

[mossy badge]

Lets be real every1 forgot linton

[naive gorge]

maybe i skimmed over the part where he says hes from fruma but i dont remember him at all even when i started a new class

[mossy badge]

I mean basically every soldier/scholar is from fruma

[radiant harbor]

Yeah he says at the beginning of the quest he recovered his lost memory

[unique cedar]

Every recruit from Queen's Recruit recovered their memories

[radiant harbor]

Does this mean aledar did too?

[unique cedar]

No

probably

[mossy badge]

🤔

[unique cedar]

otherwise he'd be more eager to get to Fruma

considering what he was a part of

[radiant harbor]

Would have been fire to do the fruma story with him

[unique cedar]

There's like a line during the meeting that says that

so i assume they just visited Picard

[radiant harbor]

But he was in the list of people invited by the king of ragni

[radiant harbor]

So he just refused to recover his memory

[unique cedar]

Who's to say they only recovered their memories after he died

[mossy badge]

Didn't the orb broke before he could try

[naive gorge]

wasnt that the player?

[cedar badger]

The orb breaks when we try to get our memories

[naive gorge]

oh wait nvm i get it

[radiant harbor]

Just make another bro

[cedar badger]

Tasim has seen his memories

Aledar dies without ever knowing

[mossy badge]

Tasim -> player -> aledar

[unique cedar]

yeah

[mossy badge]

Is that not the order

[unique cedar]

Aledar was not in the quest

[cedar badger]

Aledar had never seen his memories

[naive gorge]

wonder how it wouldve turned out if he did see his memories

[cedar badger]

Tasim has not had the heart to tell him and avoided him

[mossy badge]

Oh lol

[hybrid gazelle]

did not Picard said some

[cedar badger]

That’s why he is still looking for aledar during queens recruit

[woven vessel]

Would’ve made that encounter in auburn even more sad

[warm flicker]

Didn’t think there was any mention of the others getting their memories recovered - doubt Picard has the ability to uncover them anyway. Plus if they did we might have heard about it

[hybrid gazelle]

nvm he did not say it

but I rpetty sure the memory orb thing was b roken

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[unique cedar]

I swear there was something

either in the meeting

or in the meeting in the hotel

lemme look up

[warm flicker]

Reynauld and Tasim are the only two who had their memories recovered

Others are aware that they were sent to Wynn as convicts but not sure of the details

[cedar badger]

Caid and Picard himself

That’s the 4

[cedar badger]

Also as far as I know, they don’t know they are sent as convicts

Caid Reynauld and Tasim found out they were convits during the memory recovery

[hybrid gazelle]

Picard, Tasim, and Raynauld probably just enough evidence

to show that fruma is lying

ro at least there some lies going on

also

so far from what we see

[quaint marsh]

From a lore perspective, what would the next update be about?

[hybrid gazelle]

all fruman recruits are just convicts/criminals beiong send to Wynn

[mossy badge]

6 million reworks

[hybrid gazelle]

there is no volunteer of going to Wynn

[warm flicker]

Professions 🔥🔥🔥

[radiant harbor]

Whatever Two's deal is, probably

[hybrid gazelle]

it always being exile

[hybrid gazelle]

If you talking about expansion

well

more like update

it would be wasteland

but other than that Dern

[quaint marsh]

What is a summation of dern. I know basically nothing

[cedar badger]

Yesterday CT Manager said midgame needs a story rework

[mossy badge]

Opposite of rol

[cedar badger]

God I hope it’s WynnExcavation

[radiant harbor]

Bob probably went in there, we killed the eye of the beast who embodies darkness (who lives there), also bakal is there, Lari is there

[quaint marsh]

WynnExcavation with proper cutscenes and not just villagers standing at tables :o

[unique cedar]

This is what I was referring too

[naive gorge]

wynnexcavation rework pls 🥹

[radiant harbor]

We can't access it becaus the beast scared of us like a little kid

[unique cedar]

implies that all of them know

[cedar badger]

Well he knows because he had his memory recovered

Royal Inquisitor: You are a new recruit, being sent to the Wynn Province to fight in their war. You enlisted because you thought your unique... talents would be useful.
Royal Inquisitor: Fruma is nothing but a speck in your history. A fact set in stone, with details lost to the hypothetical past. You think of it fondly, but remember nothing.
Royal Inquisitor: You will fight in their war. You will live for it, you will die for it. You will be of Wynn forever, and Fruma will be glad to be rid of you.

[radiant harbor]

That's because the ones who recovered their memories told them

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean this is him answering AFTER Raynauld

[radiant harbor]

Multiple people

[hybrid gazelle]

so he could jsut be talking to Raynauld specifically

[cedar badger]

This is the brainwashing scene

[hybrid gazelle]

also

[naive gorge]

honestly one thing im glad about the realms is that neither are morally good or bad to human standards otherwise it wouldve been boring if one was good and one was bad

[cedar badger]

“You enlist on your own, you remember NOTHING”

[hybrid gazelle]

it could be Picard been sharing research with other recruits

[cedar badger]

I mean if others know it could be justified by word of mouth btw

There are 4 people that know

Someone has to spill the beans

[unique cedar]

Doesn't Picard give us a replica memory restoration orb

in blizzard festival

[hybrid gazelle]

that for festival

festival is half canon

half as in the finroamtion given to us during festival is canon

[unique cedar]

convenient

[hybrid gazelle]

but not really event itself

[quaint marsh]

The thing that confuses me most is how people in Fruma KNOW people get brainwashed yet they don't rebel because of it nearly as much as you would think

[hybrid gazelle]

so for example

Tasim

he appear in festival of blizzard

and return to Wynn for a mission

however in queen's recruit

this do nto get mention at all, Tasim just act like he just come to Wynn

[unique cedar]

well the blizzard festival didn't happen

that was before Fruma released

so it was working with the info we had before Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

the information is canon

[unique cedar]

could change once it releases again

[cedar badger]

Just watch my video when it comes out guys trust

[hybrid gazelle]

it just

it not canon that Tasim arrive at festival

[unique cedar]

You're doing a lore video?

[cedar badger]

Yeah

[opaque copper]

fruma spoiler
||can't believe i cried for a pixelated character but i did! i really love this quest
and then i did echo of changes.
man...||

[hybrid gazelle]

is it actual lore video or just reread from wiki timeline

[unique cedar]

all lore explained type of deal?

[cedar badger]

It’s hard to explain

[quaint marsh]

me too man. Genuinely one of the saddest moments of Fruma

[cedar badger]

I’m trying to show things the way player would expierience then, interpreting them as I go

[opaque copper]

i just wish i could ||recover Syndra's body so i can bury both of them together so they're finally reunited||

[unique cedar]

Ooh that's cool

good luck on it

[quaint marsh]

😭

[cedar badger]

And add things some people would never do in a normal playthrough with like secret descveries

[naive gorge]

fruma spoiler as well ||i had really high hopes that we'd be able to at least reunite them but then she just stopped responding and stayed quiet (this was before i did the main story and before syndra's death)🥹 ||

[cedar badger]

Thanks, I’m on page 60 of the sricpt and about to start Fruma 😭😭😭

The video is NEVER coming out

[opaque copper]

||Elise's last words before passing away on my player character back i took 10 mins to process through all that while shredding tears||

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma give a lot about the new lore

I kinda like

taking a longgg break before I begin anotehr attempt at lore summary

because this pretty much flip Wynn upside down

[opaque copper]

gosh ikr i WISH we have an option

there are so many choices in Fruma hat i wish we have an alternative

[cedar badger]

I was surprised because people said the storyline doesn’t make sense, turns out it used to be all over the place but now it kinda goes togherher

That opinion is before rework

[opaque copper]

but for story sake ig i can see why

[cedar badger]

It kinda plays together now

[hybrid gazelle]

Storyline is like

Okay-ish

[opaque copper]

rn im just sitting on the chair in her house and listening to the music

[hybrid gazelle]

it only do not make sense in term of time

but they will fix that later

also the pacing just very all over the place which isI kinad understand

[opaque copper]

i missed her tea time

[hybrid gazelle]

I think one of my biggest gripe with Wynn

[cedar badger]

Wait what doesn’t lineup

I’m yet to find something

[hybrid gazelle]

all of this

happen under 1 year

do you see the problem

[cedar badger]

well not really

[hybrid gazelle]

no

it is

all of this

happen under 1 year

CT comfirm it and you can see it in game

Maxie and Rahy married in 1000 AP

you can see it in the game

[naive gorge]

to be fair a lot can happen in a year but it wouldve been nicer if it happened over a span of a few years

[cedar badger]

In a year

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[cedar badger]

Yeah

Okay my messages are not going thru

I see it all happens in a year

But that’s not really an issue for me

It’s a constant action tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

It is

[cedar badger]

I didn’t feel like it need to take longer then a year

We are very busy as a player

[hybrid gazelle]

itneed to take longer than a year

it does not matter how busy we are

as we see in AJB and AJF

the game try to convey that it been a long time since our parting with Aledar

but the problem is that it stuill under a year

it barely that long time

[cedar badger]

Everything is going to shit quick we need to to act quick, it happening in a year doesn’t really make me mad

[hybrid gazelle]

ALSO

not only that

to tackle biggest elephant in the room

having the entire story in 1 year mean player character literally just desert the army

[cedar badger]

I thought the time problem was like “Bob dies in 800 and we hear a story about him him in 850”

[hybrid gazelle]

that not the point

[cedar badger]

Not that it happens in a year

[hybrid gazelle]

the stoyr literally cant happen in one year because not only it impossible to travel the world and do all these shit as a human being under 1 year

it just disregard other world building aspect

and hold some werid implication

such as player just deserting Wynn army for no reason?

[cedar badger]

Yeah okay I thought there was an inconsistency lmao, yeah I mean it could be a problem for you that it happens in a year but for me personally I don’t see the problem that much

[hybrid gazelle]

There no way that their service time

would be free under 1 year

irl

inin my countr yat least

the service time necessery to serve in millitary is like

2 years or something if you do not do ROTC

so imagine a medival world on eternal war against zombie apocalypse

your ass getting thrown in jail for attempting to leave

so knowing player who

suppose to be fruman recruits that send in purpose ot replenish Wynn army

stay there for under a year
like heck probably not even quarter of a year consider how in Breaking point, it still 1000 AP

and just get up and leave

it also even worse when like I said again

shit like AJB, AJF trying to treat as like OMG WE GROWN SO MUCH after long time seperate from one another!!!!!
it literally under a year wtf you talking about

like half of a year at best consider we will ahve more quest with Aledar and Tasim around mid game

it also make character like Tasim feel odd
||because nobody can really understand him that well because to them he know Aledar UNDER A YEAR||

[random hedge]

@hybrid gazelle what became of Colin after I went to bed?

[hybrid gazelle]

who?

[random hedge]

The guy who was upset at 3 lines in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

what

is that an NPC?

[random hedge]

Is this ragebait?

[hybrid gazelle]

no I geniunely do not remember what ar you talking about

[random hedge]

Dementia go brr

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[slender copper]

Weren't they just incredibly bored of how the Silver Feather chapter was written with the player interacting with the resistance group?

[icy juniper]

okay so I just got into the secret discovery "the royal university's library" and they have a solar system but im pretty sure its a bit different from ours does this have any actual lore implications or just a fun fact?

[hybrid gazelle]

it probaby is the same as our

consider how industiral district also run in electricity

Fruma is pretty advance compare to rest of the world on mass scal

[icy juniper]

the colors of the planets are wrong

[mossy badge]

Consider wybels from moon, just like irl

[icy juniper]

mercury isn't blue no?

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

this is not our solar system

[icy juniper]

and theres a purple planet

yeah lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft is not IRL earth

There probably no mercury in this verse

[icy juniper]

its not ours but I was wondering if this has any implications outside of just as a fun fact

[hybrid gazelle]

well

the implication is that

the solar system in their verse is not the same as our

but that pretty much it

there probably more

[icy juniper]

or if it shows up in any other way

[hybrid gazelle]

but we likely has no other infromation

[mossy badge]

Hmm which one could be splormf 🤔

[icy juniper]

...?

[paper wyvern]

is one of them bloomi

[mossy badge]

Perchance

[icy juniper]

also do we know why Sovereign Oru is covered in the library? they have a sheet over their portrait and that seems important

[hybrid gazelle]

likely there no public image of him

because he is the one that mostly working in the prison

[icy juniper]

but they have one of tasim who was just appointed in the past like week

[hybrid gazelle]

Harvin and Maurey mention before that Oru barely seen outside the prison or any public occassion

not even during the meeting

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah because

Tasim is consider public figure

[mossy badge]

Btw have u tried.. peeking behind it?

[hybrid gazelle]

you can see him walk around and be part of the festival in Roughwork and Highland

this is not the same as Oru

[mossy badge]

I think they just not gonna face reveal him til wastelands

[icy juniper]

monke

[mossy badge]

How do ppl see a monkey 😭

[icy juniper]

what is it?

it looks like an ape or monkey

[mossy badge]

Its a cat 😭

[icy juniper]

but also its pixelated asf

[paper wyvern]

and was publicaly announced at teh roughworks festival

[icy juniper]

I guess I can see it if im told what it is lol

[hybrid gazelle]

also

another explaintion is just

they did not even have deisgn for Oru yet

[hybrid gazelle]

and likely he will be feature in the university once he come out

[icy juniper]

peak

[mossy badge]

Gorgeous

[icy juniper]

I remember talking about the war beast equivalent before the update and I think someone said that there probably isn't one and I felt so vindicated when two explained what the queen was

[hybrid gazelle]

at the time we did not know because CT been hiding it really well and what corruption is making the idea of real mbeast very difficult to imagine

but what was present in Fruma make sense

[spring kernel]

i think i lied about corruption not having a beast in here a few months ago

[icy juniper]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

we also dont really what realm beast are that much

beside them just being manifestation of their force

so corruption having its own manifestation just feel odd due to it being chaos

[icy juniper]

well didn't they create their force thats what I understood they existed before their force then create it in their image

[paper wyvern]

now wheres the physical plane beast

[icy juniper]

yeah but it also has a portal so I feel like it was a safe assumption

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

from what we learn in Fruma

[icy juniper]

the player character watch the reveal in the next province: amurf

[hybrid gazelle]

the forces exist FIRST and the personality came to exist

as Two mention in her explaination

[slender copper]

||With the theories going around, I would be surprised if someone thought the player character was said beast.||

[hybrid gazelle]

the queen is a SHARD from larger whole

this could be apply to Orphion and Saphanis

and we get more info from post raid dialogue

[spring kernel]

They are similar but they are greater

[hybrid gazelle]

talking about how being like her are extension of their respective force

[icy juniper]

okay fair enough

[spring kernel]

anathema is lesser

[paper wyvern]

||ive seen some theories to that point but I think its far more likely to be related to colossus creators and fruma gods if it even is a thing||

[hybrid gazelle]

so in order for Orphion and Saphanis to exist

tehre must be dark and light first

[spring kernel]

Two's dialogue is cool

[icy juniper]

and forces are NOT elements

[icy juniper]

I was paying attention to something else during them ngl

LMAO

[spring kernel]

read them

it is very informational for this exact topic

[icy juniper]

nah I was just joking I liked her part in the story\

[paper wyvern]

according to item lore there is a way to mix light and dark and not make corruption so wheres the twilight beast

[spring kernel]

what item lore

[hybrid gazelle]

oh god

[icy juniper]

bros gonna decannonize it rn

[hybrid gazelle]

please do not bring up items lore unless it like

written around lootrun update and forward

[spring kernel]

if it was added in fruma it's probably fine

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[spring kernel]

but if it was like 2016 you should just ignore it

[mossy badge]

What item

[icy juniper]

is the rift just another war portal

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[icy juniper]

so there can be multiple cool

[hybrid gazelle]

Portal to Realm of War is unbinded

so it's free to open anywhere

but this one in specific is the Weave itself open up

[icy juniper]

theres gonna be a back entrance to the dern portal because something is gonna go wrong when we try and explore it this is my theory

[unique pumice]

i swear war beast used to be a meme because nobody actually believed it existed

[hybrid gazelle]

it was a meme

because like

one of the shitpost theory is just Aledar was a wa beast

so it easy to say that shit was too absurd to be true LOL

[clear scaffold]

I was surprised queen was that tbh

[icy juniper]

dude I can't even jump around the aelumia citadel without getting one shot by the anti jumping over walls mechanic its so annoying

[clear scaffold]

Genuinely if she hadn't been as dictator like i would of been fine with her

[mossy badge]

Disable it

[icy juniper]

??? bro thats her whole character

[icy juniper]

how?

[mossy badge]

Enter it from bottom, kill miniboss

[clear scaffold]

I mean as in she's better than the other two idiots

[mossy badge]

U prolly need a party

[clear scaffold]

It's just. I would of sided with her had she not been how she was

[regal spire]

I would’ve sided with her, too, lol

[icy juniper]

???

[clear scaffold]

I agree with her ideas but as a person i still don't like her

[icy juniper]

tasim apologists

[regal spire]

Tasim hella

[clear scaffold]

Listen orphion and dern beast aren't great

[regal spire]

I’ve hated Orphion Day 1, to the point that Saphanis is objectively just the better beast

Bros honest about themself 100%

[icy juniper]

?

[regal spire]

Orphion? He’s a lying scumbag piece of shit

[clear scaffold]

He lies by omission which is arguably worse

[regal spire]

Bro took a form of a deer, a fox, and I bet there’s some owl in there, and played the role of divinity, and kindness, all to trick people into assimilating into himself

[icy juniper]

what if he just doesn't know

no one tells him shi

he don't got internet bro hows he gonna know

[clear scaffold]

He kept lari 1000 years on read making her suffer mentally with zero help

[icy juniper]

she deserved it ngl

[regal spire]

Mi blud blud fruit, he’s been watching Lari since conception, and aura losses with Saphanis in the Light Forest Ult. Bro is aware

Also, if the Queen and Saphanis can tell their followers to be of some use, then why can’t Orphion just follow the same motif and say “kill this, please, for the love of me”

[clear scaffold]

Orphion is more to blame for enforcing laris pacifism than she is

[icy juniper]

aren't the abilities/classes not really cannon? I doubt the assassin is throwing actual thermobaric bombs at civilians

[regal spire]

This has to be the wrong reply

[icy juniper]

you said light forest ult so I assumed it was an ult of like lightbender what are you referencing mb

[regal spire]

The light forest ultimate secret discovery

[mossy badge]

😭

[regal spire]

Blud!

It’s aight

[icy juniper]

idk bro there shouldn't be ults and abbreviated to ult in reference to secret discovery 😭

[regal spire]

Neus Di Veloch or whatever it’s called is too confusing 😭

Don’t even remember

[icy juniper]

I mean she had 1000 years to change bro shes not blameless atp

[winged narwhal]

Orphion will save us

[regal spire]

She is entirely blameless, in this case, because she’s under the belief that a literal God thinks what she’s doing is right. And, she has no way to communicate with them, because said God refuses to tell her she made oopsies

[clear scaffold]

Would you go against your god if he gave you powers for being who you are

[regal spire]

Orphion specifically chose her, because he knew he could manipulate her into spreading his influence, which is reliant on divinity

Lari is a pacifist, and believes in connecting herself with the world. Where does this sound familiar

[icy juniper]

Yeah lol

After 1k years absolutely

Probably after 50 even

[clear scaffold]

Sure. Like in all honesty orphion could of said "hey lari mind changing" but nope.

[clear scaffold]

I didn't like orphion since THAT se quest

This just makes it worse

[regal spire]

Orphion is objectively the worst character in the game. He’s so bad, that Lari is inevitably hated for it. (She does fumble fucking BAD with Dullahan, though, that’s entirely on her)

[winged narwhal]

as in worst written?

[regal spire]

As in worst in general

But, he isn’t well written, either. There’s just nothing to justify why he did what he did

[clear scaffold]

I'd still argue she's too in deep with following orphion that dullahan situation was gonna be bad

[regal spire]

Because he clearly can connect with us. Why not her

[whole river]

In fairness, dullahan is kinda dumb I hope he’s rewritten to not have future sight cuz it makes the entire ROL quest dumber than it already is

[icy juniper]

Did he do genocide on the Olms or just be a hypocrite

[winged narwhal]

I mean, Lari is still useful even as a pacifist

[clear scaffold]

Orphion is more subtle with his side

Dark least you're knowing what you're in for

[regal spire]

Mi blud clot, he doesn’t need to genocide. That’s his whole shtick; he lies to people, and makes them assimilate with themselves. Also, idk if you know this, but Orphion literally proved this by tricking the elves into killing the guardian of the forest, all under a guise of divinity and subjecting themselves to him

This, in turn, killed the Olms, because Saphanis would’ve never gotten out

Orphion is literally responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened in the game

[mossy badge]

W orphion

[regal spire]

He sucks ass, and deserves to die fr

[clear scaffold]

Isn't he responsible for lutho as well

[regal spire]

He is responsible for everything

[clear scaffold]

I mean their entire uh. Eyeless situation

[regal spire]

If he hadn’t had his portal opened, and since he knew this would cause a chain reaction, this wouldn’t have happened

[regal spire]

He did

[clear scaffold]

Also wanting the player to kill the queen of fruma

Or at least im assuming his vague ass meant her

[winged narwhal]

Orphion will save the world

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[icy juniper]

Did he know in advance I dont remember anything that said that could be wrong

[winged narwhal]

i mean even outside of my bit that's arguably a good thing

[regal spire]

He literally lies straight through his teeth, with more riddles and nonsense dialogue. All of it to play up the role of a god, and feign divinity

[whole river]

That’s not really his fault

[clear scaffold]

I'd argue I'd rather die

[whole river]

It’s like that or literally die

[mossy badge]

I mean can't they just off themselves if they want to?

[whole river]

All of them chose it too

[clear scaffold]

I think once you're in you're stuck

[winged narwhal]

He does what He does for the greater good. He will liberate us from suffering

[clear scaffold]

Basically the moment you lose your eyes you're screwed

Player escapes because they didn't stick around long enough

[regal spire]

He, in fact, did. His dialogue with the elves proves he knew it would open his own portal, which he would’ve then lain claim to gavel (shown in ensemble of hope) after manipulating the people to follow into him. Saphanis is just an objectively better beast, because they broke through and took control immediately. Orphion assumed this to happen, because this has happened before (overture of despair)

[whole river]

The player is also strong enough to leave lutho

[winged narwhal]

saphanis seems to care a lot less about collateral damage and suchlike

[clear scaffold]

Yeah. The rest its a "choice" in that you either die or live as a kind of shell

[winged narwhal]

i mean, it's more living in a simulation type shit

[regal spire]

They’re the exact opposite of Orphion. A god feigning divinity for its own benefit? Well, you’d get a power hungry, relentless beast calculating war plans and strategies in the name of its claim

[clear scaffold]

Still not great and not much of choice

[whole river]

It’s not like Orphion could’ve came there to change silent expanses’ landscape

[winged narwhal]

Feigning? He is good, He is great

[clear scaffold]

Its more how it's presented as a great thing

[regal spire]

Saphanis treats it as a war, so they fight offensively, only making strategic defensive positions when under compromise (EO proves this). Orphion, however, treats it like propaganda, where he works to convince and deceive people into its claim, and will subsequently convince them to be a part of it, inevitably. It takes a slower approach, but the one with least resistance

It’s why orphion sucks ass rn, and can’t beat Saphanis. They have zero upper hand against somebody who doesn’t give af about your strategy; they’ll just tear through you to the best of their extent

[winged narwhal]

I mean, also probably a good thin

[clear scaffold]

Eh. Maybe its a me thing but I'd rather deal with the truth even if its cruel

[whole river]

Is it? If anything it felt like a depressing solution

[regal spire]

Anyway, once Orphion has claimed enough, he will switch his perspective, and turn to a more offensive claim. He is seen as divine by those who he has influenced, so the recoil against him will be insubstantial. It’ll be a Queen situation, with him, but instead of funny fascist, he just kills everything and replaces it with obelisks

[midnight pine]

Why does Hyhet's head explode at the end of the fight?

[clear scaffold]

The soul treats it like that (and I don't know if it's even your soul)

[regal spire]

Too hot

[midnight pine]

Is there an actual reason

[whole river]

Isn’t that a good thing

[regal spire]

That is the reason, dude

[midnight pine]

Too hot in what sense

[regal spire]

Too much fire magic in his head

[midnight pine]

Also what happened to his face

[whole river]

I mean eternal paradise with friends for the soul sounds great

[mossy badge]

Lighthouse

I think

[whole river]

But there’s meaning to how the end of the quest we’re back in reality and everyone is hollowed out

[regal spire]

He saw Queen’s true form, (likely failed to be a sovereign and undergo ascension) and broke under pressure. That’s what it seems to imply

He has this half blessing within him, rn, but cannot use it properly. Also, because he’s blind, he likely got too tired to focus on how he was casting, and just blew up his head

[midnight pine]

what the lighthouse do to bro?

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/light-moon-dancing-bright-gif-16638518

[regal spire]

He is a deserter, so it could’ve done that to him

[clear scaffold]

Is it ever said why the player wasn't picked?

[mossy badge]

He hid in barracks cuz lighthouse doesn't reach there (said in description i think)

[regal spire]

We’re boring

[clear scaffold]

Seriously?

[regal spire]

Yeah

Well, we’re boring and unpredictable

[whole river]

Unpredictable hard carrying there

[clear scaffold]

With all the stuff we'd done you think she would of done it. And we're not THAT unpredictable

[whole river]

We can legit just, on a whim, change sides entirely based on who has the better sob story. I get why they didn’t choose us

[winged narwhal]

you killed Nohno's wife

[whole river]

We would’ve switched sides even if we were chosen, tbh

[regal spire]

Bro, I’m testing 100 different builds on yo capital every 3 seconds, then /killing and coming back to LR. Also, sometimes I sit and listen to dialogue, but then I just start killing again

[clear scaffold]

I don't think the player really ever changes sides outside of certain encounters for good reasons

[whole river]

Especially since Fruma has given the player more of like, a personality

[regal spire]

Our character is fucking bonkers, and has zero explanation to why we are so unstable

We kill ugly people for being lonely sometimes

[whole river]

The player would not stand by like that bum tasim as soon as we saw the industrial sector tbh

[clear scaffold]

We are unstable rarely. Tbf thats in older content

Like the player in new content is pretty reasonable

[regal spire]

They said to help thin out orc numbers in the area, and we instead beheaded all their camp leaders

[clear scaffold]

As i said new content

[winged narwhal]

can you really think the player would be good in a position of governance

[clear scaffold]

Older content the player is murder hobo

[whole river]

Ok but wait isn’t taking out the leaders just smart? Why would you murder them all

[winged narwhal]

Other folks, like Orphion, are better suited to leadership positions

[whole river]

That is not what murder hobo means

[regal spire]

I don’t expect them to change those quests depiction of us, though

[midnight pine]

Why is the Sun Judge so irrelevant in lore considering he has more hp than all the sovereigns and the queen?

[clear scaffold]

The player wasn't asked to behead them

[whole river]

Hp doesn’t matter

[regal spire]

Also, lmao, we lie to a blind man in one quest, because we feel bad for them

[winged narwhal]

you were supposed to like, beat them up, not murder them

[whole river]

That’s not what thinning out their numbers mean

[regal spire]

Thinning them out could mean diplomatic discussion, and violence when necessary. Or, subduing their leaders

[whole river]

Killing leaders is still better than the actual murder hobo strategy of murdering them all

[winged narwhal]

the new quest wants you to beat their leaders and scare them into submission

[regal spire]

Just move em out of the area

[winged narwhal]

thinning out the population is not mentioned in 1.20 clearing the camps

[regal spire]

That would be “technically” thinning them out, because they only wanted them off the plains

[whole river]

So colonize? Are we still talking about more merciful options here lmao

[clear scaffold]

So, we figure if might makes right with them, then defeating their leaders should scare them into submission.

The player was told to defeat them sure killing them is fine.. taking their heads like a cat that killed a pigeon proudly is bad

[regal spire]

Oh, no, lmao, I didn’t say that. I just think it’s better than geocoding, and then bringing their severed heads to your superior

[fathom falcon]

did my eyes deceive me or was there a character called ||Sovergein Herald|| at the start of queen's recruit? If so ||Where tf was he teh entire questline||

[hybrid gazelle]

herald

as in

[mossy badge]

Xao

[whole river]

The beheading I already agree was a bit much but still, murdering hostile leaders is like just what we literally we sent from Fruma to do

[hybrid gazelle]

the person that ANNOUCE

[mossy badge]

I think he's called

[fathom falcon]

oh i thought it was just a name lmao

[whole river]

And it’s certainly not like murder hobo worthy

[hybrid gazelle]

Xao is just right hand man of Zhiraok

[mossy badge]

Sovereign herold 🗿

[hybrid gazelle]

😭

[regal spire]

It’s brutal, is what I’m saying. We could’ve just brought, like, a badge or trinket

[clear scaffold]

Honestly the queen should just explain to the player as they would listen

And then just send then out on the two godlike idiots

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the word murderhobo getting overuse that it lost a bit of meaning

if player TRULY is murderhobo

then there will be no quest

that just it

there will be 0 quests

[whole river]

Yeah but beheadings as proof of their deaths is concrete. And literally what we as people do IRL

[regal spire]

The Queen should’ve just straight up said everything she said in the raid at the goddamn beginning

You wanted a sovereign? Take two bro

[whole river]

Gavel is like historically in medieval times so beheadings of leaders is like, not particularly unusual lmao

[clear scaffold]

Two very powerful sovereigns

[regal spire]

Get rid of Gikyo, bro doesn’t need a blessing

[shut mist]

the storyline if the queen looked into us a little more closer

it wouldve taken a whole new turn

[hybrid gazelle]

even then we still threaten her empire

she would be still be against us

[regal spire]

If the queen looked through our computer screens and saw the real power

[clear scaffold]

The queen would be the only person to help the player

[whole river]

She would never choose us cuz she knows we’d sympathize with any rebellion

[winged narwhal]

the guy calls harsher than he intended

[hybrid gazelle]

the different between us and Tasim

[shut mist]

||but she would know we could fuck up both gods||

[hybrid gazelle]

is that we actually have acquitance and not just yearning for one ginger mf

[clear scaffold]

The queen just had to be less cruel to her people and she would of been fine

[hybrid gazelle]

so we have more things to care about than to support a literal hitler empress

[regal spire]

Like, we are the end all be all to everything. How Orphion likely knew, but not her? Feels like she was just tryna larp a lil longer

[winged narwhal]

The Fruman regime's continued existence is intolerable

[whole river]

If anything, I kinda flipped on how I perceive the player

[clear scaffold]

I still wonder about qira

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma empire wil lbe problem one way or another to the rest of the world

[winged narwhal]

i mean, strictly speaking, Two and Queenie could be lying out their asses

[whole river]

He definitely prefers freedom over oppression which is…new strictly speaking

[hybrid gazelle]

if war of the realm were to clear out

[clear scaffold]

Like she's gotta have lore significance at some point

[mossy badge]

😂

[narrow kestrel]

does qira share the same braincells with lari

[mossy badge]

Qira lore in 2040

[narrow kestrel]

i just beat the quest and???

if she was planning to fight back then just stop the decay

[regal spire]

I’m inclined to believe them way more than Orphion, because we’ve actually seen what orphion and Saph do

[narrow kestrel]

😭

or is she a jobber that loses to the parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

she cant stop decay

[regal spire]

At most, the Queen lies about sending soldiers. She just doesn’t want to handle her home problem

[hybrid gazelle]

also

[clear scaffold]

There is an argument she's not ready for the attention that beings

[hybrid gazelle]

without Lari

you cant fight parasite

[regal spire]

She ran away to Fruma to larp fr

[winged narwhal]

Orphion's light will come

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari was necessery in order to navigate through RoL

you can literally see in it in ROL 5 quest LOL

[whole river]

I think qira meant she could’ve defeated the parasite when it first came about

[regal spire]

Lari was integral, fr. Now, we need a 13 quest storyline from 60-80 for rol

[shut mist]

||its interesting that the queen sees something in us and she knows we could fuck up both orphion and sephanis||

[narrow kestrel]

yeah