📚lore_discussion

[signal bough]

yeah

[random hedge]

Enjoyable yes

[hybrid gazelle]

because there is no narrative foundation to build off

[split night]

if raid behave like dungeons i would have quit the game ages ago

xd

[random hedge]

SE questline rework pls 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

TWP just best overaLL

TCC has something going on

[random hedge]

ye

[hybrid gazelle]

but its story telling just confusing and very poorly present

NoL

IDK what going on NOL

[random hedge]

Also the challenges actually make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

random bullshit go

[signal bough]

problem with SE questlines is that the player should have direction

[random hedge]

NOL 2nd best raid

[hybrid gazelle]

NoL give the vibe of you going to that one rich friend's place

and all his room make 0 fucking sense because he is only one living in that house

so like

he has 0 fucking reasons to use these rooms

[random hedge]

Tier list of raids 5. NOTG 4. TCC 3. TNA 2. NOL 1. TWP

[signal bough]

which has the best music

[random hedge]

prob nol

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont like TNA

like

I really hate TNA

it's one of my least play raid

[random hedge]

Challenges make absolutely no sense

[hybrid gazelle]

I think TNA overall just feel like

"we really need raid at the moment so we will make something"

it not like

[random hedge]

ye

[hybrid gazelle]

it does not feel like a raid created from strong premise or anything

it just

[random hedge]

WTP goated raid

[hasty beacon]

"yea just make a bulb red and your good to go"

[signal bough]

what would a TNA quest look like

[hybrid gazelle]

"Oh man we really need SE raid because SE is end game area"

[hybrid gazelle]

exploring blueshift woudl be cool

player solo quest should intresting

like maybe some strange void hole that peak player intrest

player step in

and they epxloring blueshift with TNA stalking them

[signal bough]

but you have opportunities for the questgiver

[hybrid gazelle]

you dont need one

look at olmic runes

that

sadly exist

[signal bough]

I want dernite npcs 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

"I am sorry Clock Mystery but you cant be a quest"
"Wtf, you let Olmic Runes be a quest"
"RUNING OUT IS IMPORTANT PART OF LIFE HOW ABOUT YOU READ A FUCKING BOOK"

[random hedge]

When do you think Wynncraft's lore will finish? Bring a conclusion to the war of the realms and seal the portals? 7 years? 10 years? After GTA 6?

[hybrid gazelle]

guys

[median linden]

I think it demeans the player characters role in the narrative.
We were originally an outsider- a CURSED! We let folks from Fruma know what the outside world is really like!

And now I'm a tutor making sure everyone's work is JUUUUST right!
I'm no longer part of this story- I'm the parent that they're asking for permission.

"All right, everything seems good- but hold on. did we get approval from [PLAYER CHARACTER] ???"

It's LAME

[hasty beacon]

finally

[signal bough]

prob 7 years or so

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah

you are like

have experience

and they want your input on this

because you are part of their resistance

[random hedge]

I see ur point

[median linden]

They dont know that.

[random hedge]

Also you are main character

[median linden]

We never told them that

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean by they dont know that

[random hedge]

You showed them spells

[hybrid gazelle]

they knew about tournament

[median linden]

we can use magic and thats it

[hybrid gazelle]

and how you know magic from outside

[median linden]

does that suddenly make me a master strategist

[hybrid gazelle]

you are the CLOSET THING THEY HAVE

[signal bough]

Syndra tests you and knows you have tremendous strength

[hybrid gazelle]

THAT THE THING

and they just want your input

you are a part of the team

[random hedge]

Devs wanted more dialouge options

[hybrid gazelle]

they just want your input

[hasty beacon]

its good to get a second opinion with any plan thats just basic planning

[median linden]

Not my input
they want my approval

[random hedge]

They dont ask for EVERYTHING,

[median linden]

and thats lame

[random hedge]

Thats the same idea

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that like the same

[median linden]

VERY different actually

[hybrid gazelle]

and also you are like

other than Syndra

[random hedge]

Not in this context

[hybrid gazelle]

have a chance against the queen

[random hedge]

Didnt you beat zhiraok

[hybrid gazelle]

what

yeah

you beat ZHiraok

like

that the closet chance that nayone might

[marble lantern]

twice

[hybrid gazelle]

well for the sake of this quest

[random hedge]

That was before the second

[hybrid gazelle]

we only say ONCE

also btw this is just for the story to work as they just showing you the plan of the rebel

so not everything just feel like it come out of the writers' ass

[random hedge]

Also it adds to the narrative of you guys being a team

They also dont have that deep of a relationship with you so rex would rather ask you than idk zeph

[hasty beacon]

and also we especially need to know everything about the plan cause our job in it is to make suure everything goes well

[hybrid gazelle]

also this section just allow you get some insight to character

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah LOL we are literally the back up

[median linden]

I can use magic akin to they way I breathe air

VS

Being able to coordinate like 10 people and plan an assination attempt on the Leader of a province who Quill called a "GOD" a few dialogues ago (that wasn't mentioned before- wtf does he mean a GOD??????)

[random hedge]

Shows you that they have person insecurities

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah you are closet shot they have

begger cant be chooser

if a crackhead somehow make it the wall and show us all these shit

like

[random hedge]

and choosers cant be beggars

[hybrid gazelle]

taht the closet shot they have

because like

WHO ELSE

Syndra unstable from her doomed yuri situation

[median linden]

everyone who is a part of the team who now knows magic?

[hybrid gazelle]

and at this closet to flying into any potential suicide hotspot

[median linden]

give them time and practice

????????????

[hybrid gazelle]

Zeph?

you mean Zeph?

Zeph

[marble lantern]

Sui.

[hybrid gazelle]

that guy

[random hedge]

Not NEARLY as good as the player

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui

[hasty beacon]

festival. no time

[hybrid gazelle]

also yeah

festival

there literally no time

also Syndra want it NOW

[median linden]

they all just demonstrated their ability to use magic like 2 scenes ago

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and?

[random hedge]

To a far lesser extent

[hybrid gazelle]

you still have more experience

[median linden]

again im not done with "Echoes of change" please dont spoil

[hybrid gazelle]

then you gortta finish the quest

because literally like

EVERYTHING here

need to show to you

[marble lantern]

go do it

[signal bough]

put down discord and get to changing ur echoes

[hybrid gazelle]

in order for the entire quest to work

[hasty beacon]

you couldve finished it in the time it took you to write all this

[random hedge]

Finish quest then ask questions

[median linden]

So once i read the second book the first book is good

[marble lantern]

you should not be in lore chat if you aint done the Questline

[hybrid gazelle]

EXCEPT

YOU ARE

reADING

THE SAME BOOK

YOYU JUST NOT FUCKING FINISH

[median linden]

this is a LAME idea by the way

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

you are

doing quest

and then

you stop it mid way

to ask these questions and saying all these set up are lames

[median linden]

a quest is a quest

[hybrid gazelle]

yeeh

so

Finish it

[random hedge]

questline is a LINE OF QUESTS

[hybrid gazelle]

Finish the book

[random hedge]

finish the LINE OF QUESTS

[signal bough]

its one Frumazing book

[hybrid gazelle]

not even need to be line of quest

finish this QUEST first

and all these set up will make sense for you

[random hedge]

thats like reading 5 chapters of a book and being confused because you dont understand everything

[median linden]

you are all so obsessed with "lore" and "oh but actually- I know BALL so my opinion is BETTER"

that me interpreting what i've read in real time is an offense to you

[hybrid gazelle]

we just telling you

to finish the quest first

before coming here

[hasty beacon]

like fr

[hybrid gazelle]

because we might accidentally spoil you

[marble lantern]

through the power invested in me as a random bystander. I invalidate your take until the Questline is finished.

[hybrid gazelle]

that pretty much it

because you calling all these set ups to be LAME and silly

[median linden]

thats such a loser take.
I intrepret the game as I play it.

right now

[hybrid gazelle]

then

[median linden]

its LAME AF

[hybrid gazelle]

play the quest because you arei n SPOILER territory

[random hedge]

Buddy just finish the story

[hasty beacon]

dude are you gonna play the game or not

[random hedge]

We heard you

Not worth complaining

[median linden]

thats what im talking about maaaaaaaaaaaan

[random hedge]

Go have fun

[drifting aurora]

i acknowledge your initial take in this channel

but you should really avoid this place until youre finished. theres lots of spoiler talk

[median linden]

true in terms of spoilers

i was saying how I feel about the story at the stage that im at

which is

its really lame and uninteresting

[hybrid gazelle]

well we were under assumption you already finish the quest

[median linden]

thats not on me
i stated where i was at

[hybrid gazelle]

so we were under impression that you calling these set up that was necessery in order to convey the necessery information to the player and story to go where it is with the knowledge of the pay off in mind

[median linden]

it doesnt matter if it is setup

[hybrid gazelle]

yes it is matter because

again

these set up of player helping with planning

is necessery for the pay off at the end

[median linden]

Harry Potter 2 is only good if you read Harry Potter 1

No, Harry Potter 1 as a text is sitting on my shelf untouched whether or not Harry Potter 2 exists

[hybrid gazelle]

again you bring up this analogy which would not work

because we talking about ther same QUEST

this 1 quest

[median linden]

i think its 8 actually at this point

[hasty beacon]

so you think that every quest before this was setup too?

[median linden]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

each chapter in Fruma have a set up and pay off at the end

with auburn forest introduce ytou to Fruma and the rebel forces

that you would be with

and then pay off with fight against Zhiraok would been building up in earlier quests

and then transition into Roughwork

so similar to that logic

[median linden]

they writers decided to split them up
I'm reading the text as it was given to me

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[slim belfry]

I just got back what happened

[median linden]

im being pedantic about writers intent

and methodology

[slim belfry]

what's the issue about this related to the quest you're in

[hasty beacon]

no..? this is still the same quest? do you want setup and payoff to be within 5 mins of eachotherr like what do you want here

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

like literally

I do not get what yo want

[random hedge]

So you can only see things as they are by themselves, not as having relationship with others which further increases their meaning?

[hybrid gazelle]

because the set up of you helping the rebel prepare is necessery to the plot

[median linden]

no i want to read each line as it was written

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

what

what does that mean

[random hedge]

This makes no sense

[hybrid gazelle]

what does that even mean

do you want the script?

[hasty beacon]

without any context of things thaht happen before or after that would give them more meaning? why would you expericance a story like that

[hybrid gazelle]

do you want the story boad?

[random hedge]

Do you care about context at all?

[hybrid gazelle]

||Bro just want Tasim to just appea rout of nowhere||

[median linden]

actually thats the exact opposite of what I want

[hybrid gazelle]

then what do you want

because everyone in this channel have 0 idea what you want

[median linden]

I want the words they wrote in the story

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

what

[hasty beacon]

ok...?

[random hedge]

GIVE ME

[median linden]

they wrote them all in a certain order
to convey an idea

[hybrid gazelle]

you mean the script?

like

[slim belfry]

and there's nothing wrong with that?

[median linden]

and i think the idea is lame

[hybrid gazelle]

I do not get what oyu mean here

the idea that hte player

help the rebels doing their rebellion thing

is lame?

Like

I do not get your angle here

[hasty beacon]

yea so view them that way, you still havent seen theh ending to the quest so why are you acting like you have

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

you coudl just

finish the quest rn

like

[random hedge]

fr

[hybrid gazelle]

you are near the end I think

like

[hasty beacon]

exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

you are ALMOST near the end

you are just there

MIddle of it

like

ltierally right at the end

[random hedge]

Stop complaining here for 20 minutes and go enjoy the Fruma expansion, that sounds like a better use of your time

[hybrid gazelle]

like

because I can assure you

there will beo ne mf

who will walk in here

[median linden]

Just because the ending might be an awesome epic explosion

doesnt make ME being the baby sitter of the Steel Feather's ultimate plan- checking in on everyone to make sure everything is alright and okay

any less lame

[hybrid gazelle]

and talk something spoilery

[hasty beacon]

i gotta take a shower but ts is too fansinating

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but it needed to be that way to convey all important information

[random hedge]

I gotta sleep but im so lost in this guys logic

[hybrid gazelle]

like IDK what you eve nsuggest here

there literally nothing exicting that could happen rn when the story is just in its setting up phase

[median linden]

"just enjoy things"
is the ultimate excuse for people who are afraid of THINKING for even a SECOND

[formal bridge]

Thinking of what though

[hybrid gazelle]

Colin we literalyl ask you

so many time

[formal bridge]

What are you suggesting

[hybrid gazelle]

what could hahve happen here

[dry aspen]

we are too busy lootrunning to think bro

[hybrid gazelle]

like

[random hedge]

Your wasting your time here

[hybrid gazelle]

in this "lame" section of the story

[median linden]

how it was written, why it was written the way it is

what its goal is

[hybrid gazelle]

befcause

[median linden]

as a text'

[hybrid gazelle]

the GOAL is that

[formal bridge]

Ok

[hybrid gazelle]

To CONVEY NECESSEERY INFORMATION

[random hedge]

Maybe its looking at the bigger picture

[formal bridge]

What is the problem

[hybrid gazelle]

at the end of the quest

[formal bridge]

What was done wrong

[dry aspen]

which quest are we even talking about here

[hybrid gazelle]

okay I will just

get spoiling now

Okay so

[formal bridge]

Echoes of Change

[median linden]

the bigger picture doesnt matter
im not talking about the bigger picture

[hybrid gazelle]

Without this set up

[formal bridge]

What is the problem in the story

[median linden]

im talking about what I experienced

[hasty beacon]

echoes of change, keep in mind the main guy arguing hasnt finished it yet and is still complaining

[median linden]

as a player

[formal bridge]

What did ypu not enjoy then

[random hedge]

"The bigger picture doesnt matter"

[dry aspen]

man, at least finish it

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

you could just

go finish it now

cause I swaer to god sommeone will walk and just

[hasty beacon]

ikr thats what we all said

[hybrid gazelle]

spoil shit for you

[formal bridge]

I'm not even sure what he has a problem with

[dry aspen]

I know the fruma quests are long but still, they take an hour tops

[random hedge]

None of us are lol

[slim belfry]

why dont you finish then give thoughts after yeah

this all seems a bit confusing

[formal bridge]

Like it's not even a "just finish it"

It's "what sre you even complaining about"

[median linden]

"go get to the big explosion which is awesome and cool and stop trying to think about the actual quest you played"

this is the problem I have with the quest !!!

[dry aspen]

Well, what is the issue you have? Let us know so we can at least help you out a little bit

[formal bridge]

So are you saying you got bored because the quest is too long to get to the payoff?

[random hedge]

Now your twisting words

[median linden]

no i was never bored with it

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but

[dry aspen]

bro is s-tier ragebaiting right now

[formal bridge]

Then why are you upset

[hybrid gazelle]

the epxlosion itself need context

in order to convey the story

[dry aspen]

absolute wynnema

[hasty beacon]

my god this really is s tier rage bait holy fuck

[median linden]

Fruma being very character based is actually a VERY good and frankly NEEDED change with the writing in Wynncraft

[hybrid gazelle]

do you want Aledar to appear out of nowhere

[formal bridge]

What do you not enjoy about it

[hybrid gazelle]

and then saying how he is alive all along

like

IDK

fcause that happen in Echo of Change

[slim belfry]

wait can we all listen to what Colinth has to say first then go from there

[median linden]

id rather kill myself than see this sort of character assassination oh my lord wtf

[formal bridge]

What character assassination

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah you are spoiled now

I dont give a shit

[random hedge]

Spoilers

[hasty beacon]

it really does happen i made the quest

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar appear because he was hinted in Auburn Forest

[dry aspen]

they explain why the ||explosions happen, there is a whole bloody puzzle you do for it||

[hybrid gazelle]

where everyone though he was dead

[formal bridge]

No I'm asking what Colin is complaining about

[hybrid gazelle]

and you also though he was dead

[formal bridge]

If there's a character assassination, where

All I've seen are vague references to a problem and everyone is trying to fill in the gap

[hybrid gazelle]

and all these set up is actually building lbock to why Aledar actually alive all along

but OH WAIT

[hasty beacon]

yea, aledars ginger, the trees are orange, it all lines up

[hybrid gazelle]

you would not fucking know that

[slim belfry]

I have yet to see any context to this whole situation

[hybrid gazelle]

because you did not finish the quest

[formal bridge]

So what is Colin actually complaining about specifically

[hybrid gazelle]

and I just spoiled you

[dry aspen]

what is this discussion even about enymore lol

[median linden]

im just going to assume you are all lying because there is no fucking way ALEDAR
THE CHARACTER WHO TOOK HIS OWN LIFE AND LET THE PLAYER LIVE IN ORDER TO UNLOCK THE WAY TO THE PORTAL TO DERN SHOWS UP AGAIN

[random hedge]

You would be surprised

[hybrid gazelle]

do you see any irony in my message

[warm flicker]

trashie u know not everything can be as good as the writing in the ROL quesline

[random hedge]

Because I sure was

[slim belfry]

I don't even know that's what Solar and I are asking

[median linden]

THATS LOSER writing

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah Aledar just come back

[formal bridge]

Uh

[hybrid gazelle]

and he is part of the leaves

[formal bridge]

That doesn't happen

[warm flicker]

somehow, aledar returned

[slim belfry]

this is just a spiral of nonsense

[formal bridge]

Who is ragebaiting who here

[dry aspen]

well, technically not his OWN life but im being facetious

[hybrid gazelle]

and then he help Syndra fight the queen

but then the queen get away

[formal bridge]

Is colin mad cause someone lied about the story

[random hedge]

His point is if something happens with no context it doesnt make any sense

[formal bridge]

Colin, Aledar is dead

[dry aspen]

dont know honestly

[formal bridge]

Is there any other problem you have with the story

[slim belfry]

huh

[median linden]

Aledar showing up again would like if all of the marvel end credits writiers fuck each others asses until one of them saw a woman and ruined it

[formal bridge]

Yeah that doesn't happen

I've seen all the quests, he stays dead

[random hedge]

thank god

[slim belfry]

but a bunch of what we had so far had context

[formal bridge]

Trashie is messing with you

[median linden]

thats TRASH

[warm flicker]

ragebait successful i guess

[random hedge]

Trash that he stays dead?

[slim belfry]

alrighty one minute I'm doing other stuff

[hasty beacon]

but he didnt know it cause he didnt finish the damn quest, oh well

[median linden]

yeah
he gave his life for yours
its peak

[hybrid gazelle]

Thats what?

[random hedge]

yes

[dry aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-watching-eating-popcorn-drama-gif-12252109670276761360

[formal bridge]

So you are complaining about something that didn't happen

[hasty beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[warm flicker]

behold, the internet

[formal bridge]

I'm muting this channel for an hour and I'll check back in then, see yall later

[dry aspen]

"say that again"

[hybrid gazelle]

and also

[random hedge]

This is the original message

[hybrid gazelle]

Dern Beast appear at the end of the quest

[woven vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-he-doesnt-know-pepe-gif-14019260

[hasty beacon]

we still gon be going in circles when your back dw

[median linden]

yuh

[hybrid gazelle]

dern beast appear at the end of the story

and it reveal

[random hedge]

For clarification

[formal bridge]

Wait

So this all started

[random hedge]

The name

[hybrid gazelle]

the entire Fruma is actually working for Dern Beast all along

[formal bridge]

Cause colin is upset the player does things?

[random hedge]

The queen is blackmailed into serving it

[hasty beacon]

dern beast appear during roughworks festival and genuninely kills everyone story over ggs

[hybrid gazelle]

and resoance weaver was actually project to help DernBeast to further its plan

[formal bridge]

Like, other characters have their own tasks they do in the background

[median linden]

im upset that im the mom now for no reason

it makes no sense

[formal bridge]

K

[hybrid gazelle]

you are not the mom

you just part of the team

[random hedge]

Dern beast has an official name too

[hybrid gazelle]

jesus man

[formal bridge]

So you are upset the player character helps people

[median linden]

other than to make the player character be [THE PLAYER CHARACTER]

[formal bridge]

Colin officially hates pregty much all video games

[median linden]

no thats kinda our job

[dry aspen]

The term ||"Cursed" is a term that is simply used as social engineering to prevent usage of magic in fruma||

Spoilers for later quest

[hasty beacon]

you need to be briefed on every part of the plan because your job is to ensure it all goes smoothly

[warm flicker]

fruma spelled backwards is amurf, which is one letter off from smurf, confirming the long-running theory that the province is actually inhabited by smurfs

[random hedge]

Shes upset because the characters ask for the players opinion on things

[formal bridge]

"What do you mean I have to clear out those zombies, why don't you just so it yourself!"

Bye

[hybrid gazelle]

this is not even spoiler

it just said in the cursed one

[dry aspen]

fair, fair

[hybrid gazelle]

which btw needed in the story to progress

because it make sure player RECIEVE

the information

that NECESSERY

for the pay off

[formal bridge]

Its not even that

Its the simple fact of that the player jeeds to do something for it to be a game

[random hedge]

We are genuinely going to spoil the entire story

[median linden]

no, at the point where I'm at everyone knows some sort of magic
Syndra has been the leader for YEARS

That doesn't make me the leader

[random hedge]

We are not the leader

[hybrid gazelle]

magic does not make you al eader

[dry aspen]

not the first time lol

[formal bridge]

Yeah... it doesnt

[hybrid gazelle]

it just the fuck that they want your input

[formal bridge]

Syndra still makes the decisions

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

Syndra is the leader

[random hedge]

Do you ask your friends for their opinion?

[median linden]

THEN WHY DO I NEED TO CHECK ON EVERYONE AND APPROVE WHAT THEY DO

[hybrid gazelle]

you just helping out with the planning

[hasty beacon]

they all learned magic a week ago

[formal bridge]

You dont

Its a video game

[dry aspen]

because it's FUNNY

[formal bridge]

So they have your character do varied tasks

[hybrid gazelle]

because the game need to make sure you recieve every info

[formal bridge]

For more fun variety

[hybrid gazelle]

because itwas necesseryf

or the pay off

[random hedge]

Interact with the group

[formal bridge]

Like otherwise you would just be told

[hasty beacon]

for the plan and for the payoff

[random hedge]

get to know them

[formal bridge]

"Go do this onr thing" and then you do it

Which also happens

[hybrid gazelle]

also

[median linden]

YES.
I.
DO.

[hybrid gazelle]

if we were to cut out this part

[hybrid gazelle]

as alreayd explain

you need to do these

because writers need to make sure

you recieve every necessery info

for the pay off

[formal bridge]

If I'm making something and someone who was ordered to check in on everyone walks up to me

[median linden]

THATS
FUCKING
LAME

[formal bridge]

I would turn and ask "hey is this good?"

[hasty beacon]

"maybe theyll spot some potential issues we missed" try reading that part!

[random hedge]

no its not

[hybrid gazelle]

you need to eat your vegetable first before the meat

[random hedge]

you just dont see the fully picture yet

[hybrid gazelle]

that just how it is

[dry aspen]

This is better ragebait than running burger in pfinder bro this is funny

[random hedge]

it will make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

it's building up

[hasty beacon]

fr

[hybrid gazelle]

dude Tasim appear in the quest

like

[formal bridge]

I feel all of us are accidentally ragebaiting colin and I'm just trying to talk

[hybrid gazelle]

we are not even ragebiating

[random hedge]

50 times

[median linden]

oh my god you are all so obsessed with the payoff you forgot how to read whats in front of you

[dry aspen]

I tried to but it's too funny to resist lol

[formal bridge]

I'm not talking about the payoff

[hybrid gazelle]

COlin

how else would player know about Tasim if it not for these set up

like

[random hedge]

This guy

[hybrid gazelle]

I want to know

[hasty beacon]

sorry we arentt narrowminded?

[hybrid gazelle]

Colin

[formal bridge]

It's pretty much just trashie talking about the payoff

[hybrid gazelle]

how eolse would the player know how did everyone manage to get capture by the guards and not Sui and Yasanu

[formal bridge]

I'm tlking about it being boring if the player character isn't included

[pine flower]

What the hell are you all talking about

[hybrid gazelle]

Colin

how else would player need to know how much the crown are 5 steps ahead of the rebel

[random hedge]

Some guy is mad because of a few lines in the quest even though they didnt finish it

[hybrid gazelle]

Colin

[pine flower]

Oh
Which lines

[dry aspen]

well, the fact that we gotta go check on the tumblr writing characters is kinda goofy and all, I get that, but WHY is it lame. reasons besides blanket emotional reasoning is key to understanding your issue so we can actually explain things

[hybrid gazelle]

How else would we see the plan entierly fall apart after long set up to show how utterfly failure the assassination is

[random hedge]

⬆️

[hybrid gazelle]

Colin

I just want to know

what is the alternative

to convey these information

for the ending of the quest

[hasty beacon]

were all stuck in this endless loop of arguing with someone who refuses to complete a quest please help us im scared

[nova goblet]

Death for the plot

[formal bridge]

Colin isn't even upset at the setup though

[nova goblet]

Or extended suicide

[hybrid gazelle]

they just talkabout how it is lame and the pay off should be here already

[formal bridge]

No

[pine flower]

Its okay, take a deep breath

[hybrid gazelle]

what is it then

[formal bridge]

Colin is saying they don't like the player being told to go around and check in on everyone

[hybrid gazelle]

well

that necessery thing to happen

[formal bridge]

It feels like the player is mommying everyone, to paraphrase them

[hybrid gazelle]

it is what it is

[random hedge]

Youve been here for over an hour

[formal bridge]

When like

[random hedge]

go play the game man

[median linden]

Unlike all of you- I have not reached the payoff yet.
I am reading the quest that I played.
I am thinking and theorizing what may happen in the future.
Based on what I have played before- the way the player character was positioned in this quest?
I think it's ASS!

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

just play the quest

[formal bridge]

I don't even see why you dislike this

[median linden]

thats what im doing

[formal bridge]

It's not even a matter of finishing the quest

[hybrid gazelle]

okay

then do it

[random hedge]

You think its ASS because of 3 lines in the quest?

[median linden]

so true

[formal bridge]

No i disagree with you tio

[dry aspen]

alright, that's a good start, but unfortunately, I raise you "you are halfway thru the expansion, grow up"

[formal bridge]

I just think you have really weird tastes

[median linden]

yeah they wrote 3 ass lines and i read 3 ass lines

[random hedge]

How many lines were there?

[formal bridge]

None of them are bad lines

[hasty beacon]

then get off discord and give your thoughts afterward, like if you still think its bad at least you'll have some ground to stand on

[median linden]

the 3 you said

[random hedge]

no in the entire quest

[formal bridge]

You, as the most versatile member of the group, get told to help put everywhere since all the specialists are doing other stuff

[median linden]

not done

[random hedge]

50-75?

[median linden]

cant give an opinion on that

[formal bridge]

That's called having a varied approach

In story, you are just the quality checker

That's not 'ass', that's something people do

[random hedge]

so 7% of the quest are bad lines (by your logic) so the entire quest is ASS, correct?

[formal bridge]

And it doubles as a way to have the player see what everyone is doing

[hasty beacon]

so that the ending of the quest makes more sense and is more impactful! wow thats pretty good writing to me!

[pine flower]

I mean the player is kind of an expert at running away from stuff theyre an expert in this

[formal bridge]

The player makes a catapult out of a broken house

[median linden]

Syndra was the most versatile member of the group
She woke up before Rex had her wake her up.
She heard everything.

I know magic and the rest of the group now also knows magic.
I'm NOT better than her- I've knows everyone for like 5 quests.

[dry aspen]

wynncraft is full of tumblr writing since like, what, lvl 40 onwards? this is nothing new

[formal bridge]

You arent doing everything though

[random hedge]

Why do you keep comparing us to syndra?

[formal bridge]

Most of the work is done by everyone else

[dry aspen]

the writing's ALWAYS been shaky

[formal bridge]

You just help out a bit

[median linden]

and thats why I SHOULDNT BE THE LEADER

[formal bridge]

No

Syndra is busy elsewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

you are not hte leader tho

[random hedge]

WAKE UP WE ARENT THE LEADER

[hasty beacon]

youre the qa guy every good plan needs those

[median linden]

Then why am I acting like the babysitter

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase you are not?

[formal bridge]

Again, you are conflating helping people with leading them

[random hedge]

Do you not have friends?

[median linden]

why does everyone need MY approval

for the quest to progress

[dry aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cago-gif-15532850904342057719

[random hedge]

Because they are your buddies

buddies work together

[pine flower]

Because theyve come to respect your insight as a person

[winged narwhal]

in the amount of time you have spent arguing about this you could have finished the entire quest

[formal bridge]

Because it isn't asking for approval

[median linden]

the game doesnt make me their council- it makes me their mom

[formal bridge]

Tow of those messages is you being told to walk around and check things out

[median linden]

they ask "Can I" and I say "Yes"

[formal bridge]

And the third is someone asking your opinion due to valuing your insight

They dont

Literallt they dont

[random hedge]

because they asked for feedback?

[dry aspen]

something something quality check, something something, character gets bird's eye view of the entire situatuion so what happens at the end makes sense

[pine flower]

Pretty much

[median linden]

feedback is not approval

[dry aspen]

basiccally that is it

[formal bridge]

I feel like at this point this says more about you than the game if you think asking for someone's feedback is asking them to babysit you

[random hedge]

listen to yourself, YES IT CAN

[hybrid gazelle]

it literally just feedback man

c'mon

[median linden]

Not according to the characters in the story

this isnt about real life

[hybrid gazelle]

because

the storu

progress

[median linden]

its about the text as it was written for me to read

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase this is not like real life

[formal bridge]

To remind everyone on what message is being complained about

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

[hasty beacon]

Zeph: Sure... w- wait, why do we need Player for this?
Rex: To check our work, I guess? They can help assess the vantage points. Maybe they'll spot some potential issues we missed.

[hybrid gazelle]

just

whatever due just

oh hey guys

[random hedge]

Why dont we all ignore this guy, then maybe she will get bored and actually do the quest

[hasty beacon]

copy and pasted from the wiki

[random hedge]

Im going to sleep

[formal bridge]

Yeah it's literally just

[dry aspen]

bro brought reciepts

[formal bridge]

Them asking for help cause it's important

Like people do

[median linden]

AND THATS LAME

[hybrid gazelle]

I gonna draw queen and Lari

becuase i Like them

[formal bridge]

Have you never asked someone to look over your work to ensure it looks good

[hybrid gazelle]

I like drawing queen guys

I miss the queen

[dry aspen]

this should be another inside joke like the fallen factory elevator

[formal bridge]

Queen gud

[dry aspen]

this entire thread

is a joke

[hasty beacon]

i was thinking of threatening to spoil the whole quest if this guy didnt get off his ass and do it but idk im lowkey tired

[hybrid gazelle]

guys

I like the queen

[median linden]

holy fucking artist
youre better than me arguing about this, go BE someone

[formal bridge]

You first

[hybrid gazelle]

I already am someone

[median linden]

no im arguing about this

[hybrid gazelle]

I have freedom to choose what i want to be

[formal bridge]

You've been screaming at a discord chat about three lines of dialogue

[random hedge]

Dont give in the the ragebait

[dry aspen]

based monarchy - pilled queen vs virgin revolutionary hillbillies

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1487708470416511086/HerMajestyDance.gif

[median linden]

and i have freedom to disapprove of the writing of the quest im currently playing

[formal bridge]

Then stop arguing

Cause everyone disagrees

[hasty beacon]

cynikka and queen holy based combo

[formal bridge]

And nobody likes your points

[hybrid gazelle]

So true

they liteally are like

[formal bridge]

So you are screaming at a brick wall

[hybrid gazelle]

both gatekeep, gaslight, and girlboss

[median linden]

theyre still my points

[formal bridge]

And youve made them

And nobody agrees

[hasty beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-bird-gif-16835999897918525830

[formal bridge]

So you are accomplishing nothing

[median linden]

yet people have been talking about them for an hour

[hasty beacon]

yea cause your "points" are so bewildering and make no sense

[formal bridge]

At least 45 of those minutes was getting you to admit what you were complaining about

[formal bridge]

Have fun screaming at the brick wall

[median linden]

Just because the payoff is le epic awesome
doesnt mean the buildup is exempt of criticism

[dry aspen]

someone archive this and make it another inside joke

[hasty beacon]

yea im going to bed. if this guy hasnt finished the quest by the time i wake up then idk give me 1 dollar

[hybrid gazelle]

Also btw

fun fact

I remember ship one of my OC with the queen as a joke

because they both have homophobic eyes

honestly

I did not knwo the queen would get this fucking fucked up LOL

[pine flower]

Even better?

[fathom plover]

instantly reminded me of this comment on the trailer lmfao

[winged narwhal]

makes it more intriguing

[hybrid gazelle]

it funny because llike

the thing funny about this ship is the OC I ship her with

is an Aracnist

so the queen

a fascist dictator

who ban magic from common people

and gatekeep it

being ship with character who research magic and want it to be more wide spread

is just

really funny

[pine flower]

Well not like shed get in a relationship with some commoner anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

also prior to queen reveal, my arcanist oc was once someone with yellow and purple eyes

this was her intital design before queen reveal

[formal bridge]

Toxic yuri with evil woman, hell yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah this is like

100% crackship

at its core

[median linden]

The way the Fruma storyline up to this point was written had us as an outside who should never be accepted
But we were because of Syndra
We were then a teacher-not directly in charge of the folks learning magic but a peer.
We hit the industrial district-

And now everyone needs my approval to do anything, Rex needs me to be there to infiltrate Soosu's mansion
Everyone needs my approval for their plans on the assassination

It's abrupt and lame writing in my opinion.

Anyways the queen is hot as fu-

[hybrid gazelle]

I think one of the CT said like

[winged narwhal]

i should really finish my archetype ocs

[pine flower]

Anyway bug >>> the queen

[hybrid gazelle]

one of the CT said that they though

I would make arcanist a cousin of fruma queen or some shit

[viscid heart]

what happens in overture to despair if you told tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

since they share the same color eyes

[winged narwhal]

I like the idea of

the queens body

being like, chitinous

[viscid heart]

cause the whole thing was he didnt know right

does anything change

[hybrid gazelle]

but like canon wise I would not ship the queen with anyone

but like closet candidate is Two

I think the queen just give off that

she would try romance once

and find no intrest in it

and just move on

[winged narwhal]

is it weird to be trying to find specific canon wynn weapons for my archetype ocs

[hybrid gazelle]

itn ot weird

I seen a lot of peopel do that

have their OCs wield a mythic weapon

[pine flower]

Get the sword fish and put the mage weapon skin of the sword fish on it

[hybrid gazelle]

The queen is like

really hard character for me to draw sometime

caus she suppose to be slim

like

[winged narwhal]

does anyone know what archetype works with Deadeye

[hybrid gazelle]

EXTREMELY slim

[dry drift]

hello lore discussion

[winged narwhal]

hello

[viscid heart]

hello

[hybrid gazelle]

this promo art pretty much capture

[pine flower]

Hello John CT

[hybrid gazelle]

on how slim the queen is

[dry drift]

yep thats what they call me

[hybrid gazelle]

it hard to draw her because there always something in my mind that like

way that too slim

but like

it's the queen, it 's what it is

[winged narwhal]

she does not have internal organs

[viscid heart]

do you have an answer to this question

[hybrid gazelle]

not in the game yet

BUT

[viscid heart]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

we might have a glimpse of it

in the trailer

[viscid heart]

☹️

so it just plays like normal?

[winged narwhal]

now, usually thats a criticism of art depicting women, but in this case that's probably just canon

[hybrid gazelle]

knowing this suppose to be the dam scene

[viscid heart]

wait true

[hybrid gazelle]

yet Tasim protrait is more calm

and how this dialogue

is VERY similar

to how Tasim confront you in the dam is whatw e have rn

this could be the dialogue in the alt roue

being you and tasim being more calm with each other

[viscid heart]

wynncraft dialogue options actually having an impact on the story???

🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯

[hybrid gazelle]

it not that big

dont expect to omuch

again

it just dialogue change

the writers just busy with stuff rn

[viscid heart]

fair

[hybrid gazelle]

that why it taking so long

from what I guess

[slim belfry]

oh dang I haven't thought about this

[hybrid gazelle]

is that overture of despair likely will end on better note if you tell Tasim the truth

[pine flower]

Just change could to would for the not told version and keep could for the told ver
Easy fix

[viscid heart]

well i think the not telling him route makes for a better narrative anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

but the thing is that

he will continue working with the queen

I still think he being very LENIENT here

[drifting aurora]

thats what ive been saying

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah it add al ot of drama

and emotional motive to why Tasim still working with the quen

becuase like

if you do not then

[pine flower]

The illusion of choice my beloved

[viscid heart]

yeah his "she gets me" motive is a bit weak

i think

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim just "oh you know i working with fascist and you working with rebel so disagree to disagree"

TASIM PLEASEEEE

[formal bridge]

Not telling him fits a lot more with player's writing (we are so f-ing traumatized) but removing the choice to tell goes against their open ended design philosophy to the PC

[hybrid gazelle]

YOU ARE WORKING WITH HITLER 10000

[viscid heart]

tasim sold so hard this arc

[winged narwhal]

tasim just really wants to be a loyal knight

[drifting aurora]

the choice will be back once its done

[viscid heart]

😒😒😒

[hybrid gazelle]

I understand where Tasim is going

he just in way too deep

and he dont awnt to pul lout or else everything will be meaningless

[formal bridge]

Yeah ik I'm just saying that to explain why the choice is there

[hybrid gazelle]

I udnerstand his decision to stay with the crown

but at the same time

buddy

[formal bridge]

Even if not telling is objectively a better story imo

[hybrid gazelle]

you are with fascist

[pine flower]

But will there be a way to change our choice on classes were already done it all on

[hybrid gazelle]

I think tasim should be thrown into boiling water actually

Lexnt

can you add that in epliogue please

[drifting aurora]

no

[formal bridge]

Magic button appears in detlas to reverse the decision

[slim belfry]

Tasim knows that fruma is screwed but he tried sticking with "this is for the greater good" but gosh

[drifting aurora]

tasim is complicated

[pine flower]

Guess i wont be doing fruma on my other mage for a while then

[winged narwhal]

the typical ease of access to healing in wynn IMO makes the Fruman state rather indefensible

[viscid heart]

playing mage and seeing someone slowly dying in a cutscene

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

again

I understand him

I would trust an ENTIRE empire to deal with this war between gods

than a crackhead

but at the sametime

AGAIN

BUDDY

YOU ARE WITH FASCIST

[winged narwhal]

like, the amount of healing a level one mage can do is in lore not particularly unique

or like level ten now ig

[formal bridge]

||Insert WTP "I have a healing potion" dialogue||

[pine flower]

Also why is it that if you /class right before going on the seaskipper after tryibg to tell tasim that the option to tell him just disappears

[slim belfry]

do you think if the queen decided to invade wynn tasim would still go along

[hybrid gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uJvXKRofvk
Player and Tasim

[viscid heart]

yeah it wouldnt work on the big ass moth thats a different story

[hybrid gazelle]

"BECAUSE YOU DID NOT LISTEN TO M-"
"WELL ALL HAIL HER MAJESTY"

[winged narwhal]

so if the Queen is blocking magic, how many people die of infected wounds and such?

[winged narwhal]

it's for the greater good.

[formal bridge]

The actual answer is healing potions and spells only heal superficial wounds

Not deeper ones

[pine flower]

What if she decides to flood Auburn again

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH i think Tasim know that would never happen cause it would not benefit the plan at all

[winged narwhal]

would be his justification

[hybrid gazelle]

but like AGAIN

[winged narwhal]

i do not agree with the queen

[hybrid gazelle]

if war of the relams proble no longer there

and all portal got bind

[winged narwhal]

I only agree with the Light

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim will fucking regret his decision into joinning the crown

cause that fascist empire

would be fascisting

[viscid heart]

what do we do with orphion now that we know that the light winning is bad too

[pine flower]

We got a light scion over here

[viscid heart]

whats the relationship there

[hybrid gazelle]

run him over with a car

[slim belfry]

put down the dog

[winged narwhal]

what are you on about? the Light is good.

[drifting aurora]

tasim is already regretting his decision during apotheosis lol but he doesnt see a way out

[pine flower]

Orphion rug

[hybrid gazelle]

How Tasim be shaking his head when the queen talk about flooding Auburn Forest

[winged narwhal]

Orphion will save Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

"just letting you know, I do not condone her action"

[viscid heart]

"you cant do that" tasim whispers after hes ran 50 feet away

[slim belfry]

moments before a monolith falls onto you

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it like

fine that Tasim just

I realyl like waht the ydid with Tasim

it definitely feel unexpected in a good way

it feel like the writers willingly to take risk and tell the story that the plyaers would not predict

because like

[viscid heart]

i like that they made him gay

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that they could just make Tasim our primary companion

and then have us just

fight hte queen

but they did not

it pretty cool how they give him more nuance role

even tho his screen time pretty limited

but like it fine

I hope epilogue would help

unless Tasim fucking get up and left again

that fucking deadbeat

[winged narwhal]

the monoliths will save us all

bring us closer to Him

[pine flower]

Is tasim the only guy we get post apotheosis dialogue with

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

we proably will see mistwood gang in mistwood

the canopy

Fuhue probably in asisstance of restructuring tho

you kno wwhat

I am happy that Fruma story take focus on that

cause in orlder writing I can just see them go

"Guys we killed the queen,,, YAYYYY"

buty they did not

so that good

[winged narwhal]

we love power vacuums

[hybrid gazelle]

mistwood probably still isolated from the rest of the reform fruma

I

Zhiraok likely still represent Auburn but I am not sure

it kinda hard to say

[winged narwhal]

does Soosu keep power

[hybrid gazelle]

he definitely show his loyalty to the people

[hybrid gazelle]

Soosu WOULD NOT want to keep power

she probably let Roughwork to Yulie or something

and live her life

[viscid heart]

wonder what the resonance weaver does in the future

[hybrid gazelle]

Highland

[winged narwhal]

how well do the roughworks function without Soosu, i wonder

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK who the fuck would take charge of Highland

Bleeding Rose is cool

but like

the ystill just a guy

does not really show a good leadership

[winged narwhal]

we need to go get Gale back

[viscid heart]

they made it sound like it could do anything

[hybrid gazelle]

no

Gale IS NOT COMING BACK

[slim belfry]

she would not

[hybrid gazelle]

Gale would be hyperventilating if we somehow drag her back to Fruma

so no

[viscid heart]

do we think qira will be relevant at all in the future

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-holding-back-laughter-laughter-gif-23404300

[winged narwhal]

what if she gets to kill the entire nasin family

[pine flower]

Even zhir

[hybrid gazelle]

no becuase her parents already dead

so all the nasin therew ould be like

nobody to her

and Gale does not seems like vengence type

also she just hate her dad

she does not hate the entire Nasin family

[pine flower]

Only guy i could see her killing is Majin

[winged narwhal]

yeah, doesn't work

[hybrid gazelle]

well I mean

[pine flower]

And idt thatll happen

[hybrid gazelle]

she probably hate her entire nasin family

[winged narwhal]

just give it to Sui

[hybrid gazelle]

but like I dont think she is that blood thirsty

[winged narwhal]

she's well adjusted and ready to rule fairly

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui 100% no

full on no

probably not even stable as a person

[winged narwhal]

and she has the power for it

[hybrid gazelle]

that even worse

[winged narwhal]

you know what we need: another unstable magically powerful ruler

[hybrid gazelle]

HIghland probably in chaos but they probably will figure someone soon

Honestly

[winged narwhal]

who has the Citadel?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK

probably the entire council

I htink it make sense if Fruma return to council afterward

[pine flower]

Prollly the gendarme leader if not the council

[fathom plover]

Sovereign Oru just staring with his jaw dropped as a rift opens above the citadel and then closes soon after

[hybrid gazelle]

Hyhet is dead

like

fucking died LOL

also GENDRAME

I THINK THEY ALL GETTING WIPE

have you seen fucking lancers?

[pine flower]

Oh in the raid?

[hybrid gazelle]

Hyhet is dead in boss altar

he is the boss altar

and hedead

[viscid heart]

wait where do we know that gale is from the nasin family from

[pine flower]

Ohh

[hybrid gazelle]

Her last name on the grave

[viscid heart]

oh

never been there

[hybrid gazelle]

and Hosue divided discovery

[pine flower]

I thought the guy in the altar would be a deserter

[hybrid gazelle]

and you have to talk to her

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah he is deserter

Hyhet is the deserter

which is why Tasim said like

"I cant seems to contact their leader(gendrame)" at the end of Apotheosis

and that why he cant command them anymore

becuase they just thrown in to chaos

[pine flower]

Then he isnt the gendarme leader no more right?