📚lore_discussion

[snow kiln]

better is why did they even establish Lusuco

was it

[hybrid gazelle]

because we have SOOOO many people

in the bunker

that frozen solid

that should be the entire population of old Nesaak

[slim belfry]

it's less badlands canyon and more desert canyon now

[snow kiln]

Ig they making wastes the badlands now

[signal bough]

you can just go to a few places on the border and look over the walls

[snow kiln]

cause it literally looks like rymek

[signal bough]

it looks worse than rymek ngl

[slim belfry]

from what little we have wastelands looks like badlands on serious drugs

[snow kiln]

yeah but my render distance is too low to get any good view

[signal bough]

turn it up to look

[snow kiln]

*Server render distance

[hybrid gazelle]

we likely getting volcano sub region too

[snow kiln]

I hope not

[hybrid gazelle]

according to lore mention and the mob that somehow spawn

[snow kiln]

I want a giant meteor

[slim belfry]

the dang mobs spawning next to the border lol

[hybrid gazelle]

if we take the fact that cosmic stuff is the reason why the area is offlimit

it would be good explaination that the cosmic magic has stir something in volcano

[slim belfry]

I think they need to disable them spawning for now

[snow kiln]

yeah that's why I think meteor

[hybrid gazelle]

making the area too risky to inhabit

[snow kiln]

and I think that's why sohso wanted to go back

[tepid blade]

What stuff is spawning by the border?

and what level are they?

[snow kiln]

wait can wastes mobs spawn on border lmfao

that's hilarious

[slim belfry]

supposedly wastelands

[tepid blade]

Are they mistwood level, or Aelumia level?

[snow kiln]

tbf we don't know where wastelands content will sit

it doesn't have to be post final quest

[slim belfry]

I believe roughworks and mistwoods level but that can change

[hybrid gazelle]

I make a theory about this

[snow kiln]

dude I can't wait for oru

[slim belfry]

trashie did you see the mobs

[tepid blade]

okay, makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

I remember seeing it

but like

I forgot what it look like

[snow kiln]

hopefully he actually says shit unlike 2

[hybrid gazelle]

I Know it something to do with Volcano

also btw out of all the region

[snow kiln]

this is why I want proper images :P

[hybrid gazelle]

we only have Nii left

[snow kiln]

we're just relying on word of mouth

[slim belfry]

oru seems like such an interesting character even with what little we have

[hybrid gazelle]

I seen the picture

I just did not have it on hand

[snow kiln]

Mhhm probably the third most interesting sovn.

majin #1 ofc

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Az seems to associate with Auburn

Ek is Highland

[slim belfry]

Tol is Mistwoods?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Mistwood is air

I forgot which rune is air

[slim belfry]

Uth

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah Uth

[snow kiln]

I think it would make more sense to rewind back to pre queen when thinking about mapping the areas to runes

[hybrid gazelle]

Mistwood is Uth

Roughwork is Tol

[slim belfry]

ah

[vestal rivet]

dangit I just realized
runes are fing skyrim shouts
meanings as power

[snow kiln]

so combine auburn and modern roughworks

[hybrid gazelle]

so that only leave

MR BEAST?

<@&268142859327242242>

[snow kiln]

grazie mods

[hybrid gazelle]

that only leave Nii

for wasteland

which is fire

[exotic bough]

ehhhh

may be too soon to say

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK what else rune to use LOL

[exotic bough]

unless raw changeling material is flammable

[hybrid gazelle]

Changeling could be just cosmic stuff

so it not natrual

[slim belfry]

didnt changelings come from tar pits

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

they came from tar pit

at least

that what that big ass frog said

[exotic bough]

thats probably an analogous description

[snow kiln]

original changelings are not cosmic

the created changelings may be though

we dunno

there's something different about the created changelings

[hybrid gazelle]

feel like that should been mention and also

Gikyo look fine

[exotic bough]

i dont think changelings themselves are cosmic magic

[hybrid gazelle]

and they are the original changeling

[exotic bough]

otherwise majin wouldve made them or have had a greater role in hallowground

their spark is like cosmic magic, but it probably isn't cosmic magic

[hybrid gazelle]

it werid how majin has nothign much to do

unless cosmic magic is something is like so vast

just being adept at it does not mean you can understand it

[exotic bough]

he's busy being a scholarly man writing reddit essays on why the west has fallen

[hybrid gazelle]

That not even his job that like the funny part

he suppose to manage millitary but like

there barely anything in Fruma rn that demand whole army to be in action

so I have 0 fucking idea what Majin is doing for his job than getting report from generals

[exotic bough]

vanity projects if i had to assume

[slim belfry]

to look good

[hybrid gazelle]

so appereantly

changeling is purple

and have white eye

and teeth???

[exotic bough]

no they have yellow eyes

[hybrid gazelle]

like for some reaosn teeth is only visible part

yellow?

damn okay

[slim belfry]

ew gross

[exotic bough]

(he hasnt put on his ✨ g l a m o u r ✨ yet give him a break)

tangentially related to the changeling eyes

was gikyo just too lazy to change their eye color in between ~~his ~~ their default "human" form and their true form

[tepid blade]

That is, horrific

[snow kiln]

Don't forget he's stalking and harrassing women while ranking of reddit odour

[hybrid gazelle]

their default

ok nvm

but yeah

IDK wtf going on there

[snow kiln]

he just thinks his regular eyes look pretty is all

[hybrid gazelle]

They

[snow kiln]

oh brotha

[exotic bough]

his pronouns are they/them

wheres that one image macro

[slim belfry]

someone really needs to make that image with majin and gikyo

[hybrid gazelle]

it almost like changeling's "blood" is also their goop that they left out when they transform

is this like

their bio mass kind of thing?

I feel like consider they suppose to be slime

[slim belfry]

I mean

[snow kiln]

I've been calling gikyo he for almost 3 months since trailer release

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[slim belfry]

general's orders

[hybrid gazelle]

and they are they/them

ever since the reveal

[exotic bough]

found it

[snow kiln]

It took my almost 2 years to fully switch up calling my trans friend by she instead of he

to not make a mistake

[slim belfry]

whoa look https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Changeling's_Chestplate

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH

if that quest remake

we probably see 100% true form of Cahngeling

either that or they just

weird purple goop man thing

[exotic bough]

ehhhh

i dont like that idea

[snow kiln]

they are 100% just goop

they originate from tar

[slim belfry]

I think it can work

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase the thing is that

we literally see slime in that quest so IDK what they make in subsitute of that

[exotic bough]

too soon with a plot point that will be resolved 30 levels later when that plot thread is revealed

i think it could just change directly from lecade to some mini creature

[slim belfry]

you should've seen how people reacted to gikyo short lol

[snow kiln]

fym this is wynncraft

[slim belfry]

people already made the connection

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

litearlly like

IT always planned

it always meant to be foreshadow fruma changeling

[snow kiln]

I'm not sure about that

[exotic bough]

we are now in post fruma wynncraft

[slim belfry]

heck someone I know that hasnt played in a few years did

[exotic bough]

story is no longer an afterthought

[snow kiln]

I think the CT are just extremely good at tying in existing content into what they've already written

think Akias

or the blue cyclones

[hybrid gazelle]

that also

always planned

[slim belfry]

Akias is very funny

[hybrid gazelle]

like the blue cyclone

[snow kiln]

how they turned something that just happened into a central piece of lore

[hybrid gazelle]

akias is funny

[snow kiln]

it is very funny

[slim belfry]

Bak'al is a metaphor for minecraft EULA

[hybrid gazelle]

I wonder will bak'al have custom model or not

or he just gonna have player model

I am too associate bak'al with palyer model

[exotic bough]

this is a joke but it actually does have some truth

[hybrid gazelle]

I geniunely cant see him as anything

[snow kiln]

I mean they'd have to update at minimum ROL

[exotic bough]

what with how p2w servers arent really taken care of

THAT ASIDE

[summer bluff]

what are the lore implications of their divorce?

[exotic bough]

yeah bakal getting a custom model could be cool what with how much anathemas blessing affected him

[snow kiln]

TM taxes go up 100% to pay for child support

[tepid blade]

I would not be surprised that characters that already use the player model will continue to use the player model, just look at Tasim

[snow kiln]

well

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al getting custom model is like

a dilliema

[snow kiln]

yeah

[exotic bough]

im not saying like

[hybrid gazelle]

because yeah it would make sense

but his current model

is too iconic

LOL

[exotic bough]

changed a shit ton

[snow kiln]

they'd have to update a bunch of quests

and SDs

it could be

[exotic bough]

but like little studs of corruption or smth like that on him

[tepid blade]

I also would prefer Bak'al having a normal model

[snow kiln]

that he gets a new model after becoming dern beast scion

[tepid blade]

player model*

[slim belfry]

that'd be cool

[exotic bough]

idk that could probably be done with the 2nd layer on the player skin model

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think it ever mention Bak'al was Dern scion

and only mention t obe War's Lost Scion

[snow kiln]

well it could just be like a player model ++ like how tasim is

[hybrid gazelle]

so I dont think he got Dern power

unless they doing blackbeard on him

[snow kiln]

@grok is this true

[hybrid gazelle]

and have him get 2 power at once

[snow kiln]

that's what I was inferring

[hybrid gazelle]

but so far

[snow kiln]

cause Bak'al wouldn't join dark if there wasn't something in it for him

[hybrid gazelle]

he only refer was War's scion

[exotic bough]

can a scion even properly change sides (not like how bak'al became war's lost scion, but instead smth like (for example) lari getting blessed by saphanis, removing orphions blessing in the process)

[tepid blade]

We don't know

[slim belfry]

I think that'd corrupt her

hmmmmmmm

[hybrid gazelle]

It really depend

[snow kiln]

she's already corrupted by light

corrupted is relative here

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont htink you can remove mark of realm beast unless it's realm beast themselves that remove it

but IDK

[snow kiln]

non corrupt would be not being a scion

[exotic bough]

huh

[tepid blade]

I would assume yes, they can properly change sides, but the question is also if the old mark will be removed

if given new powers

[snow kiln]

yea we don't know this

[tepid blade]

or will they be stacked

[exotic bough]

wdym lari's corrupted by light

[snow kiln]

if only lari could update us on this

[snow kiln]

light and dark are both corrupting forces

[exotic bough]

small-c corruption or Corruption, War's influence?

[tepid blade]

small c

[snow kiln]

yes just corruption, not Corruption

[exotic bough]

use tainted then

[snow kiln]

Corruption is the corruption cause by war 😭

We don't really have a good word for the corruption cause by light and dark

[exotic bough]

gets the point across with no confusion

[snow kiln]

suppose so

Also I'd love to see ancients lore

[slim belfry]

it's the same thing

[snow kiln]

like please

[snow kiln]

what

[slim belfry]

corruption is war and hate

[exotic bough]

ym olm, ancient gavellian civilization, or ancient fruman civilization or some combinations thereof

[snow kiln]

Corruption is war and hate

[snow kiln]

all of the above

[slim belfry]

yes and it's the result of light and dark clashing

[snow kiln]

no like forest of light and SE, we don't have a name for that pheonmenon

mainly cause its older than modern humans

but there still isn't a word for it

for the spread of War its called Corruption

[slim belfry]

oh

[snow kiln]

for the spread of Light/Dark its called ???

[slim belfry]

that's just light and dark

[snow kiln]

bruh

[slim belfry]

darkness took over and became the silent expanse

light took the light forest

[snow kiln]

that's what orphion and saphanis call themselves and their realm

[slim belfry]

the spread ARE the influences

[snow kiln]

In the lore

all the humans

call War

Corruption

[slim belfry]

same thing

they're interchangeable

[snow kiln]

Ik they are

[tepid blade]

Well, all of corruption is War, but not all of War is corruption

[snow kiln]

I'm asking for the cannonical high gavellian ancient wynnic that the olm, ancient civ used for what SE and Light forest are

dude I think my question ain't getting across

[slim belfry]

oh then I don't think we know that

[snow kiln]

thank you

ong tho Fruma has got me so hyped for the last chapter (presumably) of the soldier's quest

[unique pumice]

Wynncraft ends by making you choose to become either the light's scion or the dark's scion and then it becomes an in game event war like the purple and green aliens in gta

Peak ending content team take notes please

[slim belfry]

neither but I do like what the dark has

[snow kiln]

It does have Saphanis' kink dungeon

Literally the kink house

[solar ingot]

wait

are thos saphanis arms right?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes but this is likely they plan out saphanis actual design

becuase they have access to model yet

so this is just literal block

[snow kiln]

yeah, he'll get a model though when the time comes

I hope

It would be funny to just fight this ^

[solar ingot]

ye

[drifting aurora]

i would expect this to change at some point btw lol

[snow kiln]

no keep it kink dungeon

[unique pumice]

Where is this from again

[snow kiln]

At least keep the dern beast fanon kink fanon alive 🙏

[snow kiln]

SD I think

I forgor

[hybrid gazelle]

what you meannn Lexnt
are you implying that we wont get armor stand Bak'al?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1487708470416511086/HerMajestyDance.gif

[exotic bough]

SE ult

[snow kiln]

how has this already been made

[slim belfry]

this was made during the beta

[brittle prism]

Is blacksmith dren still randomly wise

[light zealot]

An updated Bak'al design would be FANTASTIC.
He should look much more menacing for being such a major character in the lore.

Also, having some more content about him outside of secret discoveries would be nice

[crisp plinth]

What is a wybel? Where're they from and why are there so many distinct ones

[light zealot]

Since if you don't do those he kind of just appears in RoL V, fights Lari, and leaves

[light zealot]

Have you done the Unknown Area boss altar yet?

[crisp plinth]

I dont think so

[light zealot]

Go do that first. It will answer most if not all of your questions

It's in the Sky Islands

[crisp plinth]

Alr thx

[unique pumice]

Wybels are basically puffles from club penguin

Real ones know

[light zealot]

I definitely think that Bak'al should be larger in size. Right now he's not nearly intimidating enough.

[slim belfry]

ok but wybels are EVIL

[light zealot]

Really Bak'al and the CoW could both use a rework

[signal bough]

I've seen no indication of that

[light zealot]

Since the CoW is... weird

[signal bough]

a single wybel is evil and they're from another world

[light zealot]

I really don't know what this is supposed to be

[fallow patio]

at least some of the other Wybels around the world are spies

[fallow patio]

Skeleton

[signal bough]

10 wybels are evil

[light zealot]

It's a guy with a skeleton/dragon head, completely green body, stick arms, and holding a skull

I don't really think that fits

[slim belfry]

lore significant armor stand boss mob

[light zealot]

It's like the King Ghidorah meme

Annihilation is the serious head, Bak'al is less so (but at least he has a design) and then CoW is the silly head

[fallow patio]

yeah, a lot of midgame quests are still lacking the 2.1 remodel

[light zealot]

Also, I miss dungeon unlock quests

Kingdom of Sand and Fate of the Fallen are both significantly worse now

[hybrid gazelle]

CoW likely becoming a devil later on

[signal bough]

we need a massive wynn quest overhaul

[hybrid gazelle]

consider how current lore goes

CoW remake would be awesome imagine like

[light zealot]

Agreed. And a full remake of Troms and the Jungle.

With secrets and all

[signal bough]

idk I would prefer an actually corrupted human example

[light zealot]

Because Troms is far too geographically isolated to be a "major fort"

What if, rather than CoW being a single guy, it was the whole mining group?

Like this thing from D&D

[slim belfry]

funny you mention that with trashie in chat

[light zealot]

A giant mass of corrupted miners brought together in an unholy assimilated form

It could echo Annihilation's general body plan as well

[signal bough]

I think it's a fortified refuge

[light zealot]

I'm new (well sort of new, returning player from a while back) here

Context please?

[signal bough]

trashie makes art including of corruption devils, don't get the reference

[light zealot]

I guess so - but it still doesn't make sense. The passage from Ragni and the Great Bridge (which is guarded by corrupted Rickeo) are the only ways to it, so it really shouldn't be nearly as populous and affluent as it is

[signal bough]

I can see it being populous

[light zealot]

Ragni is wealthy because of the recruits. Detlas is wealthy because it is on a river and also a central crossroads area

[signal bough]

if it was a relative safe haven during the worst of the war

[light zealot]

Nemract is poor for reasons it really shouldn't be - if it is a port city it should be making money solely from people travelling across the ocean. But I guess corrupted attacks have been preventing it from growing in wealth

[signal bough]

maybe it's like Almuj? having total control over an out of the way part of Wynn

[light zealot]

Fair, but still. It also being deep in a very hostile jungle also doesn't help

[signal bough]

it's not very deep

just a lil bit into the jungle

[light zealot]

Not very, but still, Great Bridge

And non-Troms citizens can't take the passage

So anyone trying to go there has to go all the way through Nesaak, fight Rickeo on the bridge, get through a bit of jungle, and then they are there

That means the population would be blocked inside of Troms with the only sensible way (since most citizens aren't trained in combat) being through the passage

So Troms also can't increase in size past its walls (because of the dangerous jungle)

[signal bough]

so I guess its just monarchist rymek

[light zealot]

Yeah, pretty much.

I know I'm probably reading too far into this, but Troms does not make sense at all as a major city

At least, if you take the map at face value and assume that politics and regional demographics exist

[signal bough]

finally... someone else who notes down history and politics...

here's my contribution

[light zealot]

I can't help myself. I am a perpetual dungeon master, worldbuilder, and history nerd. This stuff is my favourite 🙂

A project that I'd love to do is sketching out a more geographically (and politically) accurate interpretation of the Wynncraft map

[slim belfry]

it'e because of what it used to be

if it weren't for that troms would probably be smaller yeah

[light zealot]

So basically getting rid of the border mountains, figuring out biomes/tectonic plates, and then going from there, mapping on the game's regions as I go

[light zealot]

I'm aware, but still. The defense of Troms was 200 years ago

[hybrid gazelle]

the great fortress was build like

before 0 AP

o r at least

close to finish

[light zealot]

That's more than enough time for all of those refugees to return to the rest of Wynn and rebuild - which definitely happened because Detlas exists

[signal bough]

to defend against what?

[tepid blade]

The corruption obviously?

[light zealot]

So Troms shouldn't really be wealthy and powerful in the modern day

[hybrid gazelle]

not corruption

this was before corruption

[tepid blade]

oh

[light zealot]

If it was before 0 AP then there is no corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

it was when Fruma declear that each cities in wynn province need representative

[tepid blade]

I didn't see the before AP part

[hybrid gazelle]

it said GRAND fortress

so likely it meant to be just for show or whatever IDK

there also like human vs olm war theory

my only gripe on human vs olm theory is like

I feel like if that the case

someone like Garoth would strongly react to us than jsut telling us to leave

[signal bough]

maybe he was pre-war?

[tepid blade]

It might have been a fortress used a forward base for future colonization into the jungle

[hybrid gazelle]

Depend when Time Valley fall

[tepid blade]

Troms

[signal bough]

the olm TL is crazy 😭

[light zealot]

Here's a question - are the Olm and Humans different species?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[light zealot]

Or is Olm just an ethnicity of human

[signal bough]

no*

[light zealot]

Source

[tepid blade]

A lot of evidence

[light zealot]

Since Olm can breed with humans (as seen with Bob)

[slim belfry]

okay so can villagers

[light zealot]

So they must be genetically close enough

[hybrid gazelle]

they have black skeleton

by at that point they entirely different spieces

[signal bough]

its fantasy races

[hybrid gazelle]

and also Bob have grey-ish skin

like

[tepid blade]

Villagers can, and they are born on an entirely different continent

[hybrid gazelle]

not human grey-ish

like literal grey-ish skin tone

[signal bough]

can be super divergent but still reproduce with humans

[light zealot]

Yeah I'm going too deep again

[slim belfry]

yeah every humanoid have entirely different makeups

magic especially

[light zealot]

Because this whole idea of species being able to reproduce in this manner is really dump if you understand basic biology

But anyway

[signal bough]

yeah

[light zealot]

Oh, interesting

[signal bough]

thoughts on this? I did a lot of research

[light zealot]

I think my favourite species in Wynncraft are the Doguns, just because they are original and honestly really cool

[tepid blade]

Cool, do you have an empty map of this, I am planning to use a political map for an AU I want to make

like an empty top down map?

[slim belfry]

this is a really good political map

[signal bough]

I'm doing it as I go along 😭

like at most I have a few islands done other than what you can see

[digital swan]

I will finish mine sometime within the next decade

[slim belfry]

same I love them
stupid adorable rocks

[light zealot]

This is really good. I'm slightly confused as to why Ragni and Detlas are seperate, since they seem to be incredibly connected in-game

With Admiral Aegis being a Detlas soldier commanding Ragni soldiers and all

[digital swan]

(ye this is the main difference in mine

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know if he command Ragni soldiers

and Ragni is wayy older than Detlas

there a lot of missing political figures

[tepid blade]

They have some good evidence for this, in that Ragni soldiers are recongized as being from Ragni, not from any other cities

[hybrid gazelle]

We know that General Eveni was hold command over Troms army

but they probably die

[light zealot]

He sends Aledar, Tasim, and yourself on a mission to fight Arakadicus

[slim belfry]

also doesnt Detlas has its own council distinct from the Ragni king

[hybrid gazelle]

in which we dont know we were transfer to Detlas or not

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know

but it would cmake sense it does

[light zealot]

Which still suggests an incredibly close alliance then.

[hybrid gazelle]

the city is rebuidd by both villagers and human

[digital swan]

and in America, the Arkansas National Guard is recognized as being from Arkansas

[light zealot]

There is no border or citizenry papers or anything of the sort

Which is weird

[hybrid gazelle]

Entire wynn province likely just closely alliance

[tepid blade]

But a military alliance is different from a political alliance, or union

[hybrid gazelle]

with each of them have their own leader to be more independent

Ragni likely have a general

[signal bough]

a few mobs, no mention of monarchy in eastern wynn, and a possible mention of Ragni being a separate polity

[hybrid gazelle]

if we following the theme of older colony having general while newer one have admirals

[light zealot]

Yes, that's roughly what I think as well.

[hybrid gazelle]

it weird consider queen's recrui

[light zealot]

Ragni definitely seems to have a lot of power (and a King which suggests semi-independence)

[hybrid gazelle]

it like the king is the one who manage everything in Ragni

and there is no general??

[slim belfry]

I still find it funny that the head of the army is an ADMIRAL

[hybrid gazelle]

Captain Kymer does work for the king

I feel like he would work under general

[light zealot]

But Detlas is weird. It doesn't really have any political structures at all

Other than the under-city ballroom from that one Craftmas quest that's really old

Which suggests that there are elites

[hybrid gazelle]

Detlas all over just fucking weird

my guess is that

[light zealot]

Yeah, it's bizarre

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynn as a whole

there are figurehead leaders and millitary leaders on each colonies

[tepid blade]

The King of Ragni could be like a commander in chief of the Ragni army? Similar to how the cities commanders are shown to have near complete control of the army of that city

[light zealot]

I wish that it was set up like an actual capital city rather than an RPG city

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like having the king manage both kingdom and army feel

very ineffecient and slow

[light zealot]

But that's just me being weird

[hybrid gazelle]

when he could use general

[slim belfry]

ragni's pretty big too

[tepid blade]

True, but it was how things worked in real life

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

yeah irl where there is no zombie apocalypse

[zinc quarry]

wait the cities are separate? i thought the king of ragni just ruled over the whole of wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

I imagine literal zombie apocalypse would change things

[slim belfry]

yeah but there are still people under that handle specific tasks

[hybrid gazelle]

as far as it imply to be seperated

[zinc quarry]

huh ok

[hybrid gazelle]

Ragni king never really being called King of Wynn

just Ragni

specifically

[zinc quarry]

doesnt he name you svior of wynn or smth tho

[tepid blade]

True, but it isn't hard to imagine that is what is going on in Ragni even if the king is the head of the army

[zinc quarry]

how would you do that without ruling over wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

savior of Wynn

that just

you save wynn

by beatinG amadel

[zinc quarry]

aledar???

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynnex is confusing

like

just ignore that

I fucking hate wynnex

[tepid blade]

Lore wise, he is respected leader, outside lore, he is the only named leader in Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

like

this dialogue throw me off

[light zealot]

Note that WynnEx is really old and contradictory to modern lore and really needs a massive rework in order to make any sense

[zinc quarry]

i see

[hybrid gazelle]

it look like he work DIRECTLY under the king

rather than being general

so I am not sure

[signal bough]

forgetting the king of troms I see

or the mayor of rymek

[light zealot]

I assumed this was a metonymy. Using "the King" in place of "the Ragni government" which is never actually seen

[tepid blade]

True, but he works for Wynnex

soooo

and he only appears for that one quest

[tribal patio]

🙏

man

[tepid blade]

Yep

[hybrid gazelle]

Talking about current wynn is so weird

[light zealot]

Yep. New Wynn writing is amazing.

[hybrid gazelle]

because it 100% by product of outdated writing

[light zealot]

(and really friggin sad sometimes)

[hybrid gazelle]

as you can see fruma millitary structure is far more planned out

CT did say they want to revisist wynn army structure

so we will see

[tribal patio]

Made me like a character and then she dies

:(

[light zealot]

Yes. Fruma makes a ton of sense all around

I haven't finished Fruma yet so don't tell me specifics, but I understand what is going on well enough

Still haven't cracked the Queen's identity puzzle though

[signal bough]

there's only like, two separate polities in fruma

[tribal patio]

Does syndra remember her

[light zealot]

Yes. Definitely

[signal bough]

yeah, Quill does too

[tepid blade]

Not big spolier, but yes

[tribal patio]

😔

[tepid blade]

she does mention her in later dialogue, but not by name

[tribal patio]

Oh right

[signal bough]

Quill mentions her by name

[tribal patio]

With uh

zhiroak

[hybrid gazelle]

this is like

[light zealot]

I still don't know why they use Admiral here when it is an army

[hybrid gazelle]

m ycurrent guess for wynn army structure

I have 0 idea

[tribal patio]

i think?

[hybrid gazelle]

they said it like

long time ago writing or something

[tribal patio]

Does she at least get to know what happened to elise

[signal bough]

its the same command structure with the creature known as 'Graken'

[tepid blade]

with Quill, and to the player character directly

[tepid blade]

unfortantly no 🙁

[signal bough]

she prob figures it out shortly after she uh

[tribal patio]

😭

[tepid blade]

don't spoil them

[signal bough]

where are you on?

[light zealot]

Right before the final roughworks quest

[tepid blade]

What quest you on in Fruma's main story?

[signal bough]

damn

[light zealot]

Haven't been able to play in the past week

Too busy

[tribal patio]

Echos something idfk

[light zealot]

But I should be able too soon

[signal bough]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-lebingus-gif-25269266

[hybrid gazelle]

personally

[limber swan]

just add Ragnar

[light zealot]

So we are at the same place then. Cool

[limber swan]

like

just add Ragnar

[light zealot]

Ah yes. Ragnar

[limber swan]

he was litterally planned to be Ragni's general anyways

so just add him

[hybrid gazelle]

I would just make each wynn colony have figurehead leaders and millitary leaders

Wynn just in constant war zone that you can relying on a single leader to manage everything

[light zealot]

Another bit of weird unused Wynn lore

[tepid blade]

Okay, so no spoilers from me beyond Echos

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynn would be VERY millitaristic with 1000 years war going on

that millitary leaders would have more power than figurehead leaders

due to their necessity for colony to thrive

[light zealot]

Yes. I'd expect most of the province to be dictatorial

[signal bough]

final roughworks quest spoilers ||since there is a canonical afterlife Syndra gets to see Elise again. And constantly bite her ghostly nails hoping that no one else she knows shows up||

[light zealot]

Which does call into question why everyone seems so generally nonplussed over that, but yeah

[limber swan]

I feel like that would make it too similar to Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynn is like

waht I could call

the wokest millitary faction in media

which is really funny

but intresting direction go to through

[light zealot]

That's actually a weirdly apt description

[limber swan]

unused lore that should be used!!!

[signal bough]

wynn's current existence is a partnership between villager capital and human strength

[light zealot]

I keep comparing Fruma to Ba Sing Se from AtlA

[hybrid gazelle]

when everything is so shit, that they will accept any hands that reach out to help them

and in turn they barely disaply any racist tendency

[light zealot]

Well, to be fair, humans do band together in the face of overwhelming adversity

Just look at Britain during the Blitz in ww2

[tepid blade]

that is a very fair comparison, they even say their is no war in Wynn, as royal propaganda states that everything outside of Wynn is a lifeless wasteland

[limber swan]

Admiral Ragnar sounds cool actually

[slim belfry]

Fruma used to be a whole reference off that heh

[warm flicker]

you youngins dont even know that fruma WAS ba sing se before content team fleshed it out

[light zealot]

Yes. That was the whole joke before anyway with there being "no war in the fruman walls"

[light zealot]

Oh believe me I know

[limber swan]

ah but Troms has a general so it makes sense for Ragni to have one too

[signal bough]

you had bob bobbing around Wynn for 16 years and then the villagers arrived

[light zealot]

I was there for the old Recover the Past with the Fruman walls and the Kai Shi

[slim belfry]

oh boy

[light zealot]

I'd love a Bob lore rework too

[slim belfry]

the Kai Shi

[light zealot]

Yep.

[signal bough]

now we just have turks

what's up with that?

are there turks in the wastelands?

[light zealot]

For context I started playing Wynn just before Gavel Reborn came out and finished around the time of Spellbound

[hybrid gazelle]

I probably should return to drawing more concept on how wynn shold be like

[light zealot]

I think I did the SE quests just after Spellbound released

[light zealot]

Holy frig these are amazing

[random hedge]

|| In WTP does Anathema die? Like can we do the same with Orphion and Saphenis? ||

[tepid blade]

no spoilers

not now

[signal bough]

you should prob leave the channel

until you can play

[tepid blade]

Spoilers inbound

[light zealot]

I yearn for the day that we can see large scale battles in Wynn

[tepid blade]

for like, the end of Fruma

[tepid blade]

Same

[light zealot]

Yep, going

Bye

[tepid blade]

goodbye

[light zealot]

I saw something about Orphion and some other name I don't know

[hybrid gazelle]

||Yes and no||

[frozen turtle]

This is the one channel which allows spoilers

[light zealot]

So bye

[random hedge]

|| Is it one of those things where we killed the physical manifestation but the force behind it still lives? ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||yes||

[random hedge]

Funny how thats a common thing

[signal bough]

if you think about it that's basically just a soul

[frozen turtle]

I mean do we know if they can be killed

[tepid blade]

I know, but I still don't want people to get spoiled

[frozen turtle]

War is a different realm

[signal bough]

presumably

[tepid blade]

because Fruma is really good

[random hedge]

She seemed pretty dead after WTP

[slim belfry]

||the queen's spark gets extinguished so yeah
spark likely equates to soul||

[hybrid gazelle]

Anathema as who she is dead

but there will be new manifestation of war

[signal bough]

killing orphion or the dern beast would lead to their essence returning to their realms and then re-congealing into a physical form

[random hedge]

Wait what?

explain

[signal bough]

she says this

[tepid blade]

She is, they lost their physical form, and possibly their consciences, but the force that game them form will still stays, and will reform one day

[grim totem]

rip harambe

[hybrid gazelle]

Anathema is like a shard of War

[signal bough]

that something will return

[grim totem]

but harambe

[signal bough]

it will not be her

[hybrid gazelle]

What anteham is

[grim totem]

but harambe

[random hedge]

Will she still be anatheme or become something else

[hybrid gazelle]

is just a spark with made up of expeirence it has while exist

[tepid blade]

something else

[hybrid gazelle]

something else

[grim totem]

🦍

[tepid blade]

Anathema is gone, but something new will take its place

[random hedge]

Maybe we should have kept her alive. She was pretty chill

[grim totem]

but harambe

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf you mean by chikl

[random hedge]

For a being of war

[grim totem]

rip harambe

[hybrid gazelle]

he is a fascist dictator

[slim belfry]

sure chill

[grim totem]

🦍

[hybrid gazelle]

SHE IS

[random hedge]

She was a decent queen and minded her own buisness

[tepid blade]

<@&268142859327242242> get this guy out of here

[grim totem]

he aint deserve it

[hybrid gazelle]

FASCIST DICTATOR

[grim totem]

you're mad asf

[hybrid gazelle]

SHE FUCKING COMMIT DISTRICT CLEANSING???

[grim totem]

harambe is lore

lore accurate even

[tepid blade]

You are spamming though

[grim totem]

@tepid blade

[random hedge]

It could be a lot worse tho

[grim totem]

im spamming?

[random hedge]

Particularly for people outside fruma

[signal bough]

she flooded auburn and then possibly razed the roughworks to the ground

[grim totem]

cry to somebody else.

rip harambe

[hybrid gazelle]

oaky but district cleansing still pretty bad????

[random hedge]

yeah thats bad

[grim totem]

mods please he's spamming!!!!

[hybrid gazelle]

LIke if it take fucking RACE GENOCIDE WAR TO COMPARE TO IT

IT STILL BAD

[grim totem]

like that isn't?^

[random hedge]

chill man just a thought

[grim totem]

@tepid blade you're confused

only when you don't agree

shame

[hybrid gazelle]

Wtf you mean by chill, you litearlly ssaying a
Fascist
Dictator
is chill

[grim totem]

^

[signal bough]

you were 4 years old watching bubble guppies when harambe died, quiet

[grim totem]

even if that's true?

LOL

[random hedge]

Better way of saying it is it could be a lot worse

[grim totem]

rip harambe

[hybrid gazelle]

what worse? Race War?
Yeah that bad but like that entire another breed of bad

[random hedge]

I mean it is WAR we are talking about

[grim totem]

what's bad about war if we kill conscious beings for "morality"

fr

[hybrid gazelle]

this shit should not be comparable or treat as lesser or better than other

[grim totem]

^

its not a comparison

[random hedge]

She could have wanted the entire physical plane's destruction, anathema just allowed corruption because she kinda cant control it and even sent people to go help

[hybrid gazelle]

that like saying Child abuse is pretty bad but you could be shoving firework into animal mouth and bloe it up

[slim belfry]

yeah but that's like

[grim totem]

warned for spam

[slim belfry]

one step off from being as bad as the beasts themselves

[grim totem]

yall are slow asf

<@&268142859327242242>

[hybrid gazelle]

just because she COULD still does not make it any better

[grim totem]

defend what you believe not what you're expected

[random hedge]

True

[grim totem]

corporate minions

[hybrid gazelle]

that like saying "well mental abuse is worse than physical abuse" even tho those two things are depend on perspective

[random hedge]

But maybe idk we could have gotten her to change her ways

[hybrid gazelle]

you cant

[grim totem]

not perspective but experience

[hybrid gazelle]

that the problem

[random hedge]

we did kinda beat her ass

[hybrid gazelle]

it like senator armstrong situation

YES there something that they get right

but they are utterly fucking insane

[random hedge]

Who?

[spice coyote]

Hello

[grim totem]

frivolous mod ping

LOL

hey chat mod

[random hedge]

Hi!

[grim totem]

do you feel goood

<@&268142859327242242>

[spice coyote]

?

Whats the issue

[slim belfry]

[hybrid gazelle]

there no issue, the guy just talking about harambe and pinging mods

[grim totem]

"frivivlous mod ping"

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK

anyway

[random hedge]

explain the mr armstrong

[spice coyote]

Please dont ping unless there’s an actual rule violation

[grim totem]

like mr armstrong isnt off topic

outta touch

[strange dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928371007662743552/1489930974874828920/resize-1.gif

[grim totem]

what was my initial violation

[hybrid gazelle]

Just like her majesty, Senator armstrong is a angtagonist who is certianly right about something in his ideal

which in THEORY

[grim totem]

sending 2 messages within 5 seconds?

[hybrid gazelle]

would make both of them align with their respective protagonist

[grim totem]

you belong in an office

its perfect for ya

[hybrid gazelle]

but in the end, their method of pursuing said goal go against the ideal of the protagonist or utterly fucking insane

[random hedge]

So they both have the same end goal but 2 different ways of doing it?

[grim totem]

discord mobile chat modding btw

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[grim totem]

go outside or go to bed

"discord moderators"

[strange dew]

You have been reported for toxicity.

I am not a bot. I am a Volunteer Wynncraft Discord moderator. I do not have mod powers but my reports are taken seriously and those who get on my bad side tend to get banned in under 24 hours. I have numerous rules, which you may read in my post history, but 1 is the most important rule of all

I am an officer in training, and I expect to be treated the same way I would be with my uniform and badge.

Watch your back and get used to this face kiddo, you'll be seeing a lot of it.

[grim totem]

thats funny asf ngl

not gonna read allat

im a proud wynncraft discord moderator and i will warn you for excessive typing, however discord offers a chat cooldown that we actually use!

[unique hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240662452652347452/1326238400101089290/attachment.gif

[random hedge]

Question: If Orphion taught the elves morals then why doesnt he keep them

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think there anyway to change Antehma when she become the queen

literally like

[grim totem]

he got off discord mobile when he isn't pinged

what a loser

[random hedge]

Kinda hypocritical

[hybrid gazelle]

the moment she become the queen, she is like Orphion and Saphanis

where they too high off their power to actually notice their own failing or tyranny

[slim belfry]

that's the point

[grim totem]

if my only friends were discord anonymities probably would disagree too

[median linden]

Currently playing through Echoes of Change

and this is such lame storytelling man

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont really know yet wtf did Orphion taught

or why would he do that

so maybe we will see in ROL rewrite

[grim totem]

@random hedge

[hybrid gazelle]

why tho

like

what is wrong here

[random hedge]

ye?

[signal bough]

I'm not sure if he can keep them

I'm not sure if he even believed in them

just that it was useful that the elves keep their society according to those ways

[random hedge]

Breh

[grim totem]

can't read is a differen't level of embarassment

[random hedge]

L Orphion

I'm interested to see what Saphenis is like, he's not that bad when compared to Orphion and Anathema

[signal bough]

now the biggest discrepancy here is that things created of the Light appear to be able to deviate from the Light

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont even know what elves even do for Orphion

they dont really spread his influence

they just exist

so maybe ROL rewrite will change that

[random hedge]

Orphion was bored

[signal bough]

that one SD did say they tried

[random hedge]

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean I gues but like

afte that

[signal bough]

yeah, they should have tried harder

[hybrid gazelle]

they also dont realy do anything so IDK why Orphion still have them around

I guess he just ignore them now

[signal bough]

he doesn't really do anything with them atm right?

other than the decay thing

[hasty beacon]

@median linden js spit it out bro🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

decay is not even his doing so like

IDK man

he just

they just exist

liek they sure do exist

[random hedge]

Didnt Orphion create them?

[signal bough]

well him being somewhat incapacitated and weakened

[signal bough]

definitely not

[hybrid gazelle]

No I dont think Orphion created them

[random hedge]

ok

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but that only 200 years ago

800 years, he kinda just do nothing with them

I mean I guess he pick one to be his scion

but like elves at a whole

IDK

they exist

[signal bough]

when did the missionary efforts peak

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion sure do al ot of

[signal bough]

or do we not know

[random hedge]

Why doesn't Orphion actively do anything against the spread of darkness in the SE

[hybrid gazelle]

"doing shit" because IDK what Obelisk even do

what do Obelisk even do to benefit Orphion?

do the souls contribute anyway?

[signal bough]

presumably

[hybrid gazelle]

Obelisk does not seems liek it counteract the dakr

so like

what is it?

[signal bough]

it does counteract the dark

in a very small range

[hybrid gazelle]

you know what i mean

it does not really

de dernified SE as a whole

[slim belfry]

what if orphion eats the souls or something

[hybrid gazelle]

it just give small safety bubble

for some reason

like

how does this benefit the light?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but like

what we know so far, it does not seems like realm beasts empower with souls?

and it more like when their influence expand

so like

[slim belfry]

idk making things up

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion doing BULLSHITTTT

[random hedge]

What does Orphion do all day? Just mope in his castle?

[signal bough]

from an immediate read its a good guy orphion action

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude I dont even know wtf is in Nexus

like

Wtf is Nexus of LIght

what are these rooms

like

[dim plover]

War of the Realms

[hybrid gazelle]

what do Orphion use these rooms for

like

[signal bough]

hype moments and aura

[hybrid gazelle]

why does he need it

Mf have BULLSHIT for his rooms

[random hedge]

Why is he cooking 😭

[signal bough]

ITS HYPE

ITS PEAK!!!!

[hybrid gazelle]

Saphanis seeing Nexus of Light

[slim belfry]

wtf even is this 😭

[random hedge]

My thoughts exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

WT DOES THE CLOUD ROOM EVEN DO

FOR NEXUS

WTF DOES POG ROOM DO

Like

it imply that clearing these rooms unlocking it and like

able to allow you to go to Orphion directly

but like

[signal bough]

it would be all magic

[random hedge]

There are some parts of the game that arent supposed to have any lore

[hybrid gazelle]

but are these rooms originally?

[signal bough]

maybe its super feng shui

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I can see that

but seeing WTP

where every room feel like it has progression and meaning

[random hedge]

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

it kinda a shame that other raid we have rn just fail at that department

[random hedge]

WTP best raid

[hybrid gazelle]

Like

NoL challenges could have each rom be this

abstraction concept of what the lIght is

and how you purified dark from it

I mean

[random hedge]

the clouds one

[hybrid gazelle]

SURE IT PROBABLY COULD BE THAT WAY CURRENTLY???

[random hedge]

you litterally purify the clouds

[hybrid gazelle]

But IDK wtf do I decipher cloud from the Light

like

[hasty beacon]

tcc has progression, you fight thru the canyon to get to the big guy and stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess heaven = light???

[hybrid gazelle]

TCC has progression but I want you to fucking tell me what it actually is without asking CT

because I can assure you

[hasty beacon]

i just explained it

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

but

what extactly happen

in detail

because first in tfirst challenge

you are in bottom of TCC

you already at TCC in beginning of the challenge

you are like

Right inside him

youa re literally inside TCC

[random hedge]

Wait the cave

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[random hedge]

where the raid keeper is?

[hybrid gazelle]

the first challenge is you inside TCC

yeah

look at lava challenge

and look at the where raid keeper is

[drifting aurora]

❌

[random hedge]

Idk you cut his legs off, thats why you dont see them

[grim totem]

<@&268142859327242242> spam

[hybrid gazelle]

by inside TCC I mean at the bottom

[drifting aurora]

no

[random hedge]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

IDk where does TCC begin or end

tehn what is it LOL

[drifting aurora]

challenge 1 is not at tcc

[grim totem]

if that's not spam yall are mental

[hasty beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-random-kid-random-kid-gif-10698606526004440975

[grim totem]

just cry

[hybrid gazelle]

then what is it because the room is extaclty the same as raid keeper room lol

[drifting aurora]

tcc shifts the canyon around you and then buries you in caves

[split verge]

it's not spamming, also don't ping mods for no/bad reason

[grim totem]

that's not spam? why'd i get warned for spam?

smh

[drifting aurora]

well yeah trashie im not arguing that its especially presented well

[random hedge]

What a great lore question

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean I guess that guy is right?

IDK who it is

but I rpetty sure someone told me that TCC just bury you into cave

I did not buying that theory because lava challenge is extactly smae room as raid keep so eah

[random hedge]

"A character of very little plot relevance"

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[drifting aurora]

ive told you that. youve just misremembered

[hybrid gazelle]

I am talkign about some guy in Wynncord

no

not you because it's someone else

[drifting aurora]

shrug

[hybrid gazelle]

like I am sure it was someone else that I said they were wrong

but like nvm they were actually right

I guess that first lava challenge throw me off so bad

I think NOTG is fine but like

NOTG narrative progressio nis hard to messu p it like

you enter the temple and dealing with grootslangs spawns

and boom big one show up

I think it fine

[random hedge]

notg feels really lame

[hybrid gazelle]

it lame but like it functional

it actually like

[random hedge]

Like we basically just clean up Lari's mess

The boss isnt that cool

[signal bough]

grootslangs is just like a dungeon+

[hybrid gazelle]

wel lit nto really Lari's mess but also definitely something she need to do

[random hedge]

and it does not feel impactful to the lore in any way

[hybrid gazelle]

to be fair killing uhhh

literal sick children probably like

not good for some one mentally

so I guess we awere suited for the job

[random hedge]

The only saving grace is the music which is dope

[hybrid gazelle]

I think NOTG is fine because it does not really set itself up for anythign exicting

so it just feel lame because of it

but like it funcitonal

it not extactly wrong or broken

[signal bough]

I feel like TCC and TWP are the opposite end of the lore spectrum from TNA

[split night]

in term of story??
because NoTG is enjoyable, dungeons are ass

[random hedge]

NOL and WTP best raids because they are very impactful to the story

[hybrid gazelle]

TNA is

TNA lack of questi really fuck it over