📚lore_discussion

[vapid path]

A shot per each time queen destroys a region

[radiant harbor]

Then more information about bakal, lol

[zenith coral]

i want an insane loredrop that breals our minds

[regal spire]

I’m more interested in the mythic cutscenes

[vapid path]

Maybe THATS why industrial district is so fertile, from all the prior volcanic ash lol

[mossy badge]

Same

[regal spire]

These mysterious looking dudes, and Two’s general design matching it

I love it, and I’m super hyped to see the rest of em

[zenith coral]

two lore is for part 2

[vapid path]

Oh which one is this?

[mossy badge]

I wonder if the ascendancy shrine will be in wastelands or old temple ruins

Like torann has unused doors

[regal spire]

Architect’s and Restitution’s shrines

[mossy badge]

Tefris the goat

[vapid path]

Damn what? I’ve not heard anything about this

[uneven basin]

There's an entire unused noble house I wonder what's up with it

[regal spire]

Take an architect or a restitution to their shrines, and you’ll get a cutscene

[mossy badge]

In highlands, where?

[radiant harbor]

Also the wellspring near the fort doesn't have anything at the moment, right?

[vapid path]

Where are these shrines?

[mossy badge]

Ye

[mossy badge]

1 is at the sunken town

[uneven basin]

Right by the mistwoods border it's blue and full of black concrete

[zenith coral]

like im not sure what would be cool enough for the highlands ultimate discovery that wont be an 'ah wtv'. an insane thought would be ||anathema's lewds||

but nah.

[mossy badge]

Right

[vapid path]

I personally really enjoyed the Wynn colonization discovery

[zenith coral]

thats the bathhouse. honestley i am half expecting them to have a flashback scene of the sovereigns and the queen taking a bath

[vapid path]

Well, the adjacent one I guess

[mossy badge]

Ye thats interesting

[zenith coral]

mistwoods would prolly be the inception of the clans

or the first discovery of changelings

[regal spire]

The lake in the highlands is resti, and a small cave along the mountains of the roughworks is architect’s

[mossy badge]

Wastelands exist bro

(will exist)

[restive yacht]

Don't we have that secret location from Two?

[regal spire]

Oh, yeah, the ruins

[mossy badge]

Ye the council could be a good location

[restive yacht]

Yess

[zenith coral]

i meant the first time the people catch that these guys exist and get suspicious

[regal spire]

The one next to the catacombs, that could totally work for an ultimate

I’d prefer it contains a mythic shrine, though

[zenith coral]

the auburn ultimate discovery is almost certainly the flooding

[regal spire]

Mistwoods and Wastelands need to combine their SD’s and potential; they’re just so connected

[zenith coral]

actually i got it what if the ultimate highlands discovery is about the thalas and nasins

or is that too much

it may be too much nvm

[regal spire]

I’d hate that

Thalas and Nasin are already pretty fleshed out, and an ultimate dedicated to their house is basically already covered by all the other info implied throughout

[zenith coral]

then the proccess of ascension

[regal spire]

I think the ultimates need to be true origins, like basically every other ultimate we have. Origin of Bob for Wynn, the origin of the desert for Hashr, origin of Theorick’s departure, and the Twain’s downfall for Nesaak, the Origin of the Eye for SE, etc etc

[zenith coral]

the issue is that the origin for fruma will almost certainly be the focus of part 2

[radiant harbor]

So the origin of the queen would make sense

[regal spire]

It doesn’t need to be the start, ofc, but it needs to depict something being made, and starting a development

[regal spire]

More like the origin of old Fruma’s destruction

[zenith coral]

when she first crawled out of the realm of war yeah i can see it

[zenith coral]

thats just a part 2 teaser

[regal spire]

The origin of Fruma is far too mysterious for an ultimate, and is set up to be a development for later. However, how the Queen came to control it could very well be an ultimate

[zenith coral]

nah we will see her first moments out of the portal and the subsequent decisions

[regal spire]

Seeing its inevitable destruction, and slow change to what we know now fits the citadel’s ultimate the best, because it is the true origin to the monarchy

[nocturne stone]

Just finished Apotheosis. Is there a consensus on what the whole dark void within us is? And why exactly is "something" that used to be there hidden so deep from us?

[regal spire]

Yes, turn your computer off and you’ll see the origin staring back at you

[zenith coral]

its actually probably more to be hidden from realm beasts

[tepid blade]

no, we don't know what is within us nor is there a consensus, only a lot of theory sharing

[nocturne stone]

Is the player even human at this point

[mossy badge]

The god of the earth got into us after our memory wipe

[regal spire]

The player is human to the standards of its world, but we aren’t

[zenith coral]

at this point what defines human

[tepid blade]

We don't know, I personally assume so, but other disagree

[zenith coral]

actually this is important what are the humans origins

[mossy badge]

No1 disagrees fr

[warm flicker]

for whatever reason, seems build team made the decision to revamp Olmic statues to have chisled stone bricks represent their faces. This is an important detail I would like to highlight on the statue found outside Time Valley, in a ruined home/memorial near the Corrupted Village. We can confidently say the standing statue is an Olm because of the chisled stone head, but what is the topped over statue? It seems to have a skull for a head, which isnt the same shade of black as Olmic skulls usually are (besides, why would they portray a dead Olm when they could use the chisled head?) I think these statues are evidence of the Fruma-Olmic hyperwar that lead to Fruma colonizing the Wynn plains and pushing the Olm to the southwest of the province

Edit: this war also could explain why Sikshahrath had its name changed to Ragshniv, as it could have been originally an Olmic town and then was conquered by Fruma

[tepid blade]

Fruma is where the humans are from

[zenith coral]

yeah but how did they come to be it almost certainly is different than us

so wynns definition of human may very easily be different than ours

[mossy badge]

Tolos created humans didnt they

[tepid blade]

We don't know

[zenith coral]

this may be important

like we are clearly different, but we dont know what is 'normal'

so we have no baseline

[mossy badge]

Interesting

[zenith coral]

this is gonna be relevant when its revealed that the olms are half breeds of humans and dernic creatures

there were some real freaks

[warm flicker]

wait if the Olm are half dernic creatures half human, doesnt that make bob like 3/4 human?

[zenith coral]

bob is strange as f

also theres nilrem who is a merlin reference and is prolly gonna be super relevant sooner or later

expanding on my freakish interspecies eldritch breeding idea, maybe pre-fruma was more shamanistic / tribalistic (mistwoods is a leftover) and there were tribes who each worshipped the elements (gods), then there were the outcasts who did demon summoning rituals and summoned dern beasts. orphion was too far away geographically to do anything

[regal spire]

I assume all notable, intelligent species evolved from one original source, and diverted later on to fill whatever niches were necessary. This original species could be a creationist sorta origin, where they spawned from the void or some shit

[zenith coral]

then there were the human offerings which... uh... insert ||elder scrolls daughter of coldharbour lore here|| (not completeley accurate)

the olm were then collectiveley exsanguinated and got to se somehow

[zenith coral]

maaaaaaaaybe

i will also announce that your favorite fanfic of a fanfic i showed everyone had an update after i posted the link. i can only assume the original poster saw it

[warm flicker]

Wynncraft generally follows the logic that a species' capital city is located within their homeland/point of origin (Villagers originated from the Gylia plains so their capital is in Cinfras, the strongest human polity of Fruma is the origin of all humans, Orcs have their capital of Centerworld on the Llevigar plains where they originated from, etc) so I would imagine the Olm, having their capital in the SE, also originated from there

[zenith coral]

se just doesnt have any lore pre-dernic takeover

[warm flicker]

OR DOES IT (ive been working on cataloguing any pre-dern se lore i could)

[zenith coral]

i mean it does but not nearly enough

[warm flicker]

content team fears my power so they avoid adding any Olmic lore whenever they make updates

[zenith coral]

how bout the idea that the olms have just been continously running from local dern influences

so they just continually run whenever something happens

[warm flicker]

if they were on the move so often why did they stop and build so many large settlements?

[zenith coral]

well not 'often'

but everytime something big happens they dont stay and fight but bolt instead

time valley being unstable could have been a deliberate choice to cut it off from basically anything

[hot timber]

i JUST found tasim's letter to aledar at the leaves hq in auburn

[drifting aurora]

the inevitability of dern expansion means that we will, at some point, be forced to expand on it. so it's only a matter of time

[zenith coral]

you sure it will only be at dern we get more lore? with the way the olms are moving they are likeley in morgor rn

[drifting aurora]

it could certainly be beforehand

i'm just saying that we'll have to expand on it at some point

[zenith coral]

fair

[zenith coral]

also kill off more characters (no you dont get to create character who are made with that in mind, you make a character you at a later point decide to kill)

[unique hill]

xdf

[whole river]

They’re about to kill the fan favorite linton

[slim belfry]

NOOO NOT THE FUNNY RODENT FACE

[zenith coral]

like i said killing off characters originally made to be killed off is a cop-out

[zenith coral]

i like linton

actually the best thing ct could do is take the owlc0da approach to the story... the mc wins and noone else

[quartz mist]

it was actually based from the old "greed causes decay" plotpoint that got dropped, in which the elves set up that commune in order to convince villagers to let go of that sort of thing in order to combat the decay. the story has well moved on from that as it ought to have, but we just never removed the villagers

[brave atlas]

What it say

[warm flicker]

My power only grows (thanks for this it makes me very happy)

[meager tusk]

I need to understand something it's been bugging me for nearly a month now, what the hell is going on between corruption and darkness

Bak'al has always been the scary corruption guy, as of the SE we know he serves Saphanis

Anathema is the Beast of War and yet she straight up has a whole program set up to help Wynn with the war against her own spawn?

I understand her trying to keep order and peace within her own province is her denying her own nature (Destruction Unwilling and so on), but surely being the metaphysical entity representing War and the Realm thereof, she would have some control over beings of War?

I can see the thread of Darkness and War being in cahoots in some way but not entirely, while Bak'al has some command over corruption I also recall him being salty about the Corrupted of Worlds decimating his army, and calling him "too far gone" (too corrupted?) but then I still don't understand how Anathema fits into this picture

[abstract snow]

i think she’s more of a manifestation/shard of war, but not a true god of war or a leader of sorts that has control over it. it’s also just a very chaotic force so i feel it’d be slightly weird if she could just control it.

corrupter of worlds idk i feel like that lore is kinda outdated tbh

[meager tusk]

It's SE lore so not that outdated for sure

Hunter's Calling

[abstract snow]

she says in post raid dialogue (i think it’s in that dialogue) that she started the recruit program to protect the “spark” of humanity, presumably to give them a chance at defending their home from orphion and saphanis

[abstract snow]

se was 7 years ago 😢

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[meager tusk]

okay but that's much like saying Bak'al working for Saphanis is outdated because it's the same update

[abstract snow]

i’m not sure if it’s canon anymore so don’t take my word for it, i’m just treading carefully cause it’s somewhat old

and fruma lore kinda confirms bakal/saph relationship so

[meager tusk]

I don't recall any Bak'al lore in Fruma expansion

[tepid blade]

I mean some things are not canon from the update, like dark being an element

[meager tusk]

yeah okay yeah that's fair lmao

anyway Two directly says she is War idk how else to interpret it

[abstract snow]

there’s a bunch of bakal lore in post raid dialogue

[meager tusk]

is there a dump of it somewhere btw?

[tepid blade]

But the corrupted of worlds could have been to far gone in terms of being effected by the realm of war, as Bak’al can only control the corrupted, but not other beings of war

[abstract snow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[meager tusk]

tytyty I only got a little of it and last I checked I couldn't find anything but that was a while ago

[abstract snow]

np, it’s an awesome piece of content to read through

[meager tusk]

okay I need to know who he is

mentioned several times in dialogue surrounding the Resonance Weaver too

[abstract snow]

take a guess lol

[meager tusk]

genuinely no clue

[abstract snow]

we’re pretty sure it’s ||your mom||

[meager tusk]

damn...

[abstract snow]

ok i’m sorry it’s bakal (at least presumably)

[meager tusk]

my mom trans?

right that would make some sense ty

[abstract snow]

lol

i guess it could be someone else but it seems almost certain it’s bakal

[shut mist]

It is

She does mention at some point

[abstract snow]

o nice

[shut mist]

||he barely survived her blessing. He only lived due to his will and hatred||

[hybrid gazelle]

Two said she WAS War

Not that she is War currently

[shut mist]

She still is

||in the raid at least||

[hybrid gazelle]

||she return to be part of War when he spark been snuffed out||

||but what she is, is still separation of War due to the nature of War||

[meager tusk]

Oh reading it I found something really interesting?

Was Two originally Saphanis' scion like Bak'al was Anathema's?

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know

[hybrid gazelle]

What we know about two currently is that she made a choice to side with the queen

Implying that she has something to do with fruma’s past history

And we recently seen an individual who do look like her

But beyond that what they said is not translate yet

[meager tusk]

this is also really interesting

So I suppose the biggest 2 major strands of lore ahead of us is what gives Saphanis power and what gives the player power

I'm calling it now, the answer to these 2 questions is gonna be the same

in whatever way

[rotund gust]

idk i think whatever gives saphanis power is related to bob

[limber swan]

me too

[meager tusk]

very interesting, that's a cool lead too

Nilrem's Letter right? is there any other lore for this?

[limber swan]

ye

Aegis dialogue

[rotund gust]

queen mentions darkness has been growing for the better part of 2 decades

bob disappeared 15 years ago

so better part of 2 decades

[meager tusk]

wait really, just 2?

[meager tusk]

oh I've never seen this dialogue ty

[limber swan]

np

[meager tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262012380878340096/1495429612040093837/2026-04-19_16.21.54.png?ex=69ea2b5b&is=69e8d9db&hm=7804b1269686aa54a73f39cfbfd038ed8ee4314c76b6c59ef080e8bcb02a1bad&

also do we know anything about this door

I couldn't get it to open with 5 runes

[exotic bough]

Tba

[regal spire]

You need the key

[quiet flare]

Can this be found somewhere or is it not in the game yet

[atomic eagle]

the journey beyond a bit futher quest

i wasn't expecting thjat from a kids game ngl

[hasty beacon]

Just wait till fruma lmao

[regal spire]

It’s a reward for finding all the mythic shrines

[exotic bough]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Doubt

[exotic bough]

"...TOUCHE" - Talking Mushroom, A Croaking Cryptid

[regal spire]

“O”
-One of many letters in the alphabet

[atomic eagle]

it begins

[exotic bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1461684748647792732/FRUMA_HYPE_EXLIMATION.gif

[astral void]

I just found out we can pet orpheon lmao

Or whatever his name is

Orpheus?

Big deer

And also

||How did the bug get to the deer? Was it really that powerful?||

[tepid blade]

Orphion

[astral void]

Yes thats his name

[exotic bough]

smth smth dern beast sent it

[astral void]

The what?

[exotic bough]

idk the exact specifics of how it happened

[tepid blade]

It just walts right in when they where distracted (but the dern beast sent them)

[exotic bough]

what level are you

[astral void]

103

[exotic bough]

did you do light forest ult discovery

[astral void]

Nope

I just hopped straight into the raid

[exotic bough]

thatll explain some things better than what im capable of atm

[tepid blade]

Okay, the dern beast is the darknesses version of Orphion

[astral void]

Ooo

I see

[tepid blade]

But that is putting it simply without Fruma spoilers

[astral void]

I was so confused and shocked because I thought Oprhion was the good guy

[tepid blade]

||you got spoiled on Fruma?||

[astral void]

Still have no clue about fruma

[tepid blade]

okay, then ignore that message

[astral void]

I just know that it's super hard

[astral void]

Alr ;-;

Do you think morph set is enough to progress through the entire story?

As a paladin

[tepid blade]

Yeah, with the right weapon, at least I got through a third of the story with the Morph set as a riftwalker

[hybrid gazelle]

We gotta kill Orphion

[astral void]

I'm just dead broke rn because my insulator isn't selling

[hybrid gazelle]

Bum ass dog

[tepid blade]

but half way through I did make a new "build" (just a bunch of items mixed together) in Fruma

[astral void]

Yo dont disrespect my deer like that

[tepid blade]

||Don't spoil them, they haven't done fruma yet||

[hybrid gazelle]

This is not even fruma spoiler I beencalling Orphion bum ass before fruma

This is nothing new

I fucking hate that dog

[tepid blade]

True, fuck that "I'm always right, screw everyone who disagrees with me mut"

[hybrid gazelle]

Bro got survival instinct of a fork

[astral void]

Wait holy shit the eye from eldritch outlook was only one of it's eye?

[tepid blade]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

Okay player I will teach you aboht gray morality

It’a when you kill people for good reason

Okay bye

[hasty beacon]

What if i just kill ppl

[hybrid gazelle]

Bum ass Orphion on his way to lecture player about gray morality like it’s complicated matter

[astral void]

Funny thing is we've been doing borderline psychotic shit before the questline

It's not like we got a problem with killing

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally doing nothing but reinforce player idealogu which is

Such a bum

Fucking dumbass

[astral void]

Infact I hate Lari even more than orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

If only use his lecture time to guide his chosen, we would have this problem

[tepid blade]

And enforcing his own ideology on Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

I expected as much

[tepid blade]

Why might I ask?

[hybrid gazelle]

He not even enforcing it on her, just not tell her anything

Bum ass dog

[astral void]

Tried to slime me out just because I was the chosen one

[hybrid gazelle]

You are not tho

[astral void]

Then folded with dulla

[hybrid gazelle]

You literally are not

She was

[astral void]

I am literally anakin

[hybrid gazelle]

You are not

Yeah you are not

[astral void]

I am the skywalker

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope

[tepid blade]

Well, you did just show up out of know where and tried to steal her job, which she already feared she was about to loose, so in some ways it is justified

[hybrid gazelle]

You will know why later

But you definitely not chosen by Orphion

[astral void]

Let me guess, Fruma?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[hasty beacon]

She doesnt get paid why does she care

[astral void]

Is this another interstellar shit again?

[hybrid gazelle]

Religion

It’s her entire religion

[tepid blade]

It was her lives purpose and her gods will

[astral void]

Like they didn't choose me, they chose her

[hybrid gazelle]

Her culture is base on this

Lari is chosen one

[astral void]

Oh yeah why is she the only different elf?

[hybrid gazelle]

Your entire purpose

[astral void]

Why is she blue?

[hybrid gazelle]

Is to break her moral dillema

[tepid blade]

That's just her clothes?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that just her cloth

[astral void]

She dyed her hair purple as well?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

That just her hair

[astral void]

Damn she really is the chosen one

Every other elf is like blonde

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t have much generic elves skin

So there like only one variant

[tepid blade]

Wait, LARI'S HAIR WAS PURPLE THE ENTIRE TIME??? I THOUGHT IT WAS WHITE

[hybrid gazelle]

They likely adding more later

No it is purple

[astral void]

Holy spoiler

[hybrid gazelle]

Yep

It always been purple

[astral void]

Wait white? I thought her hair was blue the first time I saw her

[hybrid gazelle]

Your entire purpose in rol is jsut to break lari out of her moral dilliema

[tepid blade]

No, I already did the quest and Fruma, but I thought it was white the entire time, why didn't I notice it was purple, I'm not even color blind, just stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

Whcih btw

Invovle pissing her off so bad she broke her moral code

Cause

Reasons

I fucking hate this quest

[astral void]

Yeah makes sense since she lowkey sold dulla

[hybrid gazelle]

You are fucking idiot

Anyway

[tepid blade]

Real, make it so she can still try to keep her code while letting us do the killing

better that way in my opinion

[hybrid gazelle]

This entire fucking quest

Is the worst therapy session

And intervention

I have ever seen

Genuinely

Awful writing cause wtf

[astral void]

Genuinely felt like a third wheel that got lumped into relationship drama

[tepid blade]

Fruma spolier, ||But I really want to see her and Tasim go through "I just worked for a bad guy" therapy session so bad||

[astral void]

And nearly got murked for it

[hybrid gazelle]

I love how we invade lari privacy and got 0 consequence of it?

[astral void]

Oh yeah what tf happens to lari at the end of the questline?

[mystic fulcrum]

captured by dern beast

possibly

[astral void]

So maybe a future questline?

Because there's no way ts just ends there

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[mystic fulcrum]

two said that if she could only locate her

[tepid blade]

||We don't know about Lari's fate, but she isn't dead because everyone assumes she is alive and it would be bad story telling if she is||

[hybrid gazelle]

Future storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

They have not play fruma yet

Don’t

[astral void]

Dont know who two is

[tepid blade]

good, play fruma

[astral void]

I will after a hunter's calling

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma is when quests are actually 100% good

[mystic fulcrum]

but maybe Lari just hide somewhere in the realm of dern instead of in the jail there

[astral void]

||I already got spoiled about Zhiraok from the party finder but I just know that he's super hard apparently. But that's about it||

Also who spoke to us at the start of a hunter's calling?

[tepid blade]

Going back to RoL, my biggest complaint outside of how it treated Lari's character and her morals, is Dullahan just exists for exposition and nothing else, we don't even get to see him, like please in the rework give him something to do

[hybrid gazelle]

BLACK SKELETON

[tepid blade]

the dern crack head

[astral void]

Thats him???

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know wtf it is

that the thing

[tepid blade]

We don't know who

[hybrid gazelle]

so for rn unsolve mystery

[hybrid gazelle]

I cant wait for ROL rewrite

[hasty beacon]

Black sans

[astral void]

Like goku black?

[hasty beacon]

Idk the lore of the goku show but yes

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma is when 100% of the quests in the region is pretyty good

[astral void]

Including side quests?

[tepid blade]

Yeah, even the more inconsequential ones have some merit to them

[hybrid gazelle]

literally even the worst quest in fruma is
pretty good

Like all fruma quests are pretty good

this is one of the best quest roster we ever have in game tbh

[hasty beacon]

Which one is that btw im curious

[tepid blade]

||The bath house one in my opinion, basic but fun||

[hybrid gazelle]

Burning bonds is not that bad

that just it

[astral void]

I've been holding back from doing any Fruma stuff in my other trapper slot because i'm afraid that trapper would ruin the experience

[slender copper]

Turns out what I was writing in here was larger then the cap of discord messages... I rather not interrupt the conversation with large paragraphs of me explaining my theory so I'm just gonna put it in a doc.

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

[astral void]

Damn

[slender copper]

lol (I love lore, what can I say?)

[tepid blade]

I feel like that sometimes

[hasty beacon]

When i had a massive essay i needed to put in discord i put it in notes and took screenshots of it

[astral void]

Is it as long as sykkuno apology docs?

[hasty beacon]

Cause i dont wanna subject anyone to the horror of clicking a link

[slender copper]

o_o... what? who?

[astral void]

My exp bar is low

Oh man

[slender copper]

...I'm just gonna continue writing lol

[astral void]

Dont look him up

But on a scale from one to ten, how good is the fruma quests overall?

Like comparing them to the old quests

[signal bough]

there def is a missing side quest or two

[tepid blade]

like 8 to 9 out of ten on most of them on my opinion

[hybrid gazelle]

to be fair we missing a chunk of region

[random hedge]

In wartorn palace, when we enter the rift are we in the realm of war?

[hybrid gazelle]

||yes||

[astral void]

Because the old ones are some of the buggiest quests ever

[hybrid gazelle]

buffcatI think you should leave the chat

[hasty beacon]

Massively better

[hybrid gazelle]

and come back until you play fruma

[astral void]

Why?

[tepid blade]

We talking about spoilers

[random hedge]

|| Is the real portal next to detlas? ||

[astral void]

Yeah its deep diving over here

[random hedge]

Fruma absolute cinema

[hybrid gazelle]

||yes||

[astral void]

Yeah imma go fruma and come back

[tepid blade]

||Yes, the main one||

[tepid blade]

have fun

[astral void]

Wait

[random hedge]

|| So the queen basically made her own rift out of her rage and losing her "shell" ||

[astral void]

Before i go

One more question

Does fruma answer some old mysteries?

[hybrid gazelle]

||No it just byproduct of the shell being broken||

[astral void]

Dont tell me what it is tho

Because there's a ton

[hybrid gazelle]

||The Weave could not bare her presence now that the shell is borken so it open the rift to tell her to fuck off||

[tepid blade]

||No spoilers||

[astral void]

Aww man

Alr

Ill hop in blind

[random hedge]

|| The weave? You mean that thing we stole from soosu? ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||no the weave as in reality itself or something||

[hasty beacon]

It made like 20 new ones

[random hedge]

ok

[hybrid gazelle]

||we dont extactly knwo what the weave yet but it likely either reality itself or source of all magic||

[tepid blade]

||The weave is where magic comes from, or something like that||

[astral void]

Oh god it grows?

Alr imma have fun with this

[random hedge]

|| So since the incarnation of war or the form of war was in the real world the real world didnt like that so they opened an easy way for her to get out ||

[gleaming apex]

Did this always say this? I swear it said something different when I first came here?

[tepid blade]

||I think they opened the portal themselves just so they could escape our reality||

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf

I dont know

i iwlll check it out

that scary

I dont know

[gleaming apex]

I'm certain it was different when I first unlocked this sd

[tepid blade]

it could either be important or a mad mans writing

[quaint marsh]

I am confused. Didn't Zhiraok die after the battle at the gate?

[exotic bough]

i think it was always there

[tepid blade]

Revival pendant

[hybrid gazelle]

he can revive himself

[quaint marsh]

ah I just didn't see that yet then?

[exotic bough]

he did but he used his charm to revive himself

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

Syndra said it

it's his blessing

[quaint marsh]

ohhh

[exotic bough]

yeah its shown more explicitly in later quests

[hybrid gazelle]

Zhiraok can enter flash mode

[random hedge]

|| Is the dern beast salkennis? ||

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf is that

[gleaming apex]

I thought for sure it said something different when I first read it.

[hybrid gazelle]

you mean Saphanis?

[tepid blade]

what? no they are Saphanis

[random hedge]

however its spelled

[azure tangle]

Salami

salamander

sapphire

Sevlut

[random hedge]

So they are different?

[hybrid gazelle]

are you talking about one of the old fruman gods?

[tepid blade]

I have no idea who/what Salkennis is

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK too

where did you even get that name lol

[random hedge]

I swear in || anethema's dialouge she mentioned salkennis along with orphion in context of closing the portals ||

[hybrid gazelle]

that saphanis

[tepid blade]

No, she said Saphanis

[hybrid gazelle]

she said it in every dialogue

[random hedge]

ok

sure

idk how its spelled i saw it once

[azure tangle]

well

not all of the dialogues

[random hedge]

is it the dern beast?

[azure tangle]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[tepid blade]

Yes, Saphanis is the dern beast

[random hedge]

That was my question

[hybrid gazelle]

good fucking god we hae actual name now

[random hedge]

Yes

[unique cedar]

Weird that dark realm has a name while the light one doesn't

[hybrid gazelle]

Dern still mean Dark

[unique cedar]

Hopefully that'll be fixed in the ROL reworked?

[random hedge]

My only hope is for our storyline to end and for us || to get the quests that close the portals in the next 5 years or so ||

[hybrid gazelle]

dern is literally translated to Dark LOL

it just

[tepid blade]

I mean Dern comes from Dernic, which is an old english word meaning dark

[unique cedar]

Doesn't matter it's still a separate name

[hybrid gazelle]

Realm of Dern sound better than Realm of Dark

[tepid blade]

Same

[random hedge]

yes

[graceful scarab]

wynncraft 2 when

[hybrid gazelle]

but if Light got a name

itl ikely Lux

[random hedge]

After dern

[unique cedar]

Realm of Light doesn't sound as cool

[random hedge]

latin

[hybrid gazelle]

Realm of Dern
realm of Lux

[unique cedar]

Realm of Lux?

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[random hedge]

🔥

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[azure tangle]

Rip Heliolux

[hybrid gazelle]

The Lux Beast

[unique cedar]

What was even the old Orphion lore pre rework

[hybrid gazelle]

uhhh

[unique cedar]

Wasn't he locked up

[hybrid gazelle]

he is god of light

[unique cedar]

In like a pillar

[hybrid gazelle]

that been infect by big fucking bug

[random hedge]

If Orphion is a wolf (kinda) what will salphennis be?

[hybrid gazelle]

and Heliolux lock him up

[hybrid gazelle]

he is a fox

and a deer

[unique cedar]

Succoru parasite something something

[random hedge]

ah mb

[unique cedar]

Is all I rememba

[hybrid gazelle]

Saphanis iDK lol

[random hedge]

a bug

a big bug

[azure tangle]

quick post the purple emerald gif

[unique cedar]

They are twins...

So maybe there'll be something similar about them

[tepid blade]

I have seen many designs for Saphanis over the years, I think it is like a beetle/centipede with many eyes

[hybrid gazelle]

they are twin but two mention before they try to seperate themselves

[random hedge]

When wyyncraft wiki updated?

[hybrid gazelle]

so it would make sense if Saphanis and Orphion look entirely different

because they attempt to seperate themselves

[tepid blade]

Don't know

[unique cedar]

The, no matter how they try to separate themselves they still have a link

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[random hedge]

Looks awesome but I dont think he would be humanoid

[hybrid gazelle]

so it make sense if they share simlarity

[hybrid gazelle]

what

how is this

humanoid

[tepid blade]

That art isn't really humanoid, it is just standing straight up, but looks nothing like a humanoid creature would be

[formal bridge]

they're tall, not humanoid

[random hedge]

Ok i see it now

[unique cedar]

I mean it's partially owl based

[hybrid gazelle]

Saphanis and Orphion should look entirely different but also share one core feature to one and another

that would drive home to the idea that

no matter how they try to look differnet

[unique cedar]

They don't exactly walk on four legs

[hybrid gazelle]

at their core, they are still reflection of one and another

[tepid blade]

Not owl, I forget what is called, but it's not an owl

[unique cedar]

Potoo

Or something like that

[tepid blade]

thx

[unique cedar]

Owl family still I believe?

[hybrid gazelle]

also Spahanis go by It/its

[tepid blade]

no, they are not related to owls

[random hedge]

So does Orphion?

[unique cedar]

Good to know

[hybrid gazelle]

no

orphion go by he/him

[zinc quarry]

i heard orphion is evil btw but the stuff in game doesnt really seem to support that so is he evil or just believes he's doing the right thing which will cause a lot of devastation + hates the dark

[hybrid gazelle]

the light itself how ever go by it/its

[hybrid gazelle]

KILL ROL

[random hedge]

Wouldnt saphennis be she/her then?

[unique cedar]

Both are supposed to amoral

[hybrid gazelle]

no

it go by it/its

[tepid blade]

Also I saw this picture of a Potoo and needed to share it

[zinc quarry]

ah right i forgot

[zinc quarry]

whats wrong with rol

[random hedge]

Im not going to question anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

KILL ROL

[zinc quarry]

but why

could you perhaps explain

[hybrid gazelle]

KILL ROL

[unique cedar]

Both beasts are there to benefit themselves

In the long run

[random hedge]

Light hates dark and dark hates light

that is true

[slim belfry]

orphion "isn't evil" he just doesn't care about others

[zinc quarry]

ok

[zinc quarry]

cool ok

[hybrid gazelle]

it evil in the sense that

[tepid blade]

Because RoL has a lot of problems that needs to be fixed, it treats Lari horribly and uses Dullahan terribly

[unique cedar]

A bit outdated and has some ehh moments

[hybrid gazelle]

he see the world as a tool to exert his influence over

just like Saphanis

so they are equally both evil

[slim belfry]

yeah which is pretty evil

[hybrid gazelle]

in our pov

because like

[zinc quarry]

what moments are those?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK man destroying the world is pretty bad

[random hedge]

What exactly does || anathema || embody again other than war?

[hybrid gazelle]

fuck off dude

[zinc quarry]

what

[hybrid gazelle]

just war

[zinc quarry]

???

[slim belfry]

yeah orphion presents himself as a victim

[unique cedar]

The dullahan part that got mentioned, lari's character

[zinc quarry]

wait whats wrong with dullahan?

[unique cedar]

The taproot scene on morality

[hybrid gazelle]

weakass bum

[random hedge]

I thought it was like war, hatred, pain, enmity

[tepid blade]

I don't think it was directed at you, only Orphion

[zinc quarry]

oh

lol mb

[hybrid gazelle]

oh I thoug hyou meant War as in capital W

[zinc quarry]

isnt that where the orphion is amoral thing comes from tho

[unique cedar]

Just kinda stays locked up

[zinc quarry]

or is it just bad cuz it invalidates a prev quest

[random hedge]

|| anathema is that right ||

[zinc quarry]

so cuz no resolution?

[unique cedar]

Yeah but it's not as effective as it could be

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

KILL ROL QUESTLINES

[zinc quarry]

cool ok thx

[unique cedar]

Yep

Supposedly it was considered for a raid?

Or am I wrong on this

[hybrid gazelle]

LEXNT REWORK ROL AND MY SOUL IS YOUR

[zinc quarry]

alr thx for the clarification

[tepid blade]

The lack of resolution was for it to tie into other quests, but it could be resolved better as it just ends suddenly

[hybrid gazelle]

no yo are right

Dullahan once consider a raid

[slim belfry]

yeah I think I'm getting brainwashed by people saying orphion isnt bad

[random hedge]

when wynncraft wiki updated to fruma?

[zinc quarry]

i see

thx

[tepid blade]

Slowly over time

[hybrid gazelle]

remember how

they make forbidden prison quest

to include dullahan

but it does not resolve naything

and just ask more question

and also DULLAHAND MPREG THEORY

[slim belfry]

shouldve been its own thing tbh

[tepid blade]

what...

[hybrid gazelle]

I AM WINNING BABY

[zenith venture]

heh???

[hybrid gazelle]

OKAY

[unique cedar]

How does it include dullahan?

[hybrid gazelle]

SO THE THEORY IS

[unique cedar]

The soul part?

[zenith venture]

what did the lazarus pit do to him???

[tepid blade]

That, or tie into the rest of the quest better

[hybrid gazelle]

THE WARDEN IN FROBDIDDEN PRISON

and WARDEN OF WISDOM

Aare his humoculsu babies

that he give birth himself

[tepid blade]

WTF

[unique cedar]

[slim belfry]

🤔

[hybrid gazelle]

because we know he lock inside the bedroom

[zenith venture]

wait so the warden that we can see during the quest might be one of his babies?

[hybrid gazelle]

so he would have no access to any materials to do humongculus stuff

so it's in my THEORY

[slim belfry]

both wardens being the same type of being would make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

that he give birth to them himself

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

it fleshy

it has eyes

[zenith venture]

so who got him pregnant?

[hybrid gazelle]

it like

[unique cedar]

Don't

[hybrid gazelle]

whatever the fuck this thing is

HIMSELF

it's

[unique cedar]

Trashie

[hybrid gazelle]

elven magic bullshit

[tepid blade]

The decay presumably

[hybrid gazelle]

THIS THEORY

STILL NOT YET DEBUNK

in fact

I will tell it to CT right now

acutally

I think tell CT that

and they said "please get the fuck out of my house"

I think I am onto something

[unique cedar]

Aye papyrus knight is not debunked either but it's not credible

[random hedge]

How did the silent expanse become corrupted? Just by having the portal to dern there?

[hybrid gazelle]

long time ago

by darkness

[zenith venture]

prolly

[tepid blade]

We don't know, but yeah the portal probably spread it like how the corruption portal does, at least that how I think it works

[zenith venture]

I mean the eyeball forest was once normal emerald trail-like forest

[random hedge]

Is the nameless from dern?

[patent narwhal]

olm secret discovery kinda hints that the dern beast broke into the expanse at some point

[zenith venture]

not sure if we ever saw uncorrupted toxic wastes and void rift area tho

[hasty beacon]

I leave this chat for 5 minutes bro😭😭

[tepid blade]

I think its from the void but corrupted by Dern, but I do not know

[slim belfry]

yes

[patent narwhal]

which could line up with what we see in overture to despair about them being connected to the world

then losing it then reconnecting

[hybrid gazelle]

it escaped from dern

so no

[zenith venture]

well not my fault it was my first time ever seeing a wynncraft character in an mpreg :P

[hybrid gazelle]

it's from Dern

[tepid blade]

oh

okay

it can at least tear holes into the void

[hybrid gazelle]

I will be real with you

big black skeleton does not leave out much

[tepid blade]

so probably super fucked up Olm I guess?

[zenith venture]

just wondering am I correct in assuming that the olms, like, occupied the entirety of the former silent expanse considering that we find its ruins all the way from the emerald mines to the void road?

[slim belfry]

people have said mutated olm but I dont support the theory

[warped horizon]

so question about anathema: when she entered the physical world did she have to be an evil queen? like couldnt she have been some nobody (albeit still a very powerful mage or whatever) and still enjoy whatever the world had to offer her

[random hedge]

What is the eye in eldritch outlook for?

[vapid path]

Yes, u right she could have been a normie

[zenith venture]

keeping an eye on all of wynn iirc

[vapid path]

But she’s also the physical manifestation of a chaos god soooo….

[hybrid gazelle]

the model suppose to get updated but like

I guess they did not update the wiki image

[slim belfry]

she could've but she wanted something to herself and herself alone

[warped horizon]

but didnt she hate that about herself

[zenith venture]

but a normie that lives forever and is like a full block taller than most other npcs, and in a secluded nation at that?

[vapid path]

Yes she did

My favorite part of anathema is that she’s a chaos god who hates chaos

[hybrid gazelle]

no the thing is that

[tepid blade]

I have seen the new model recently, but yeah the old model definitly shows that it is an Olm, which I already knew because I know they have black skeletons

[hybrid gazelle]

by nature, she is control freak

that the thing

[vapid path]

She strives for order above all else

[hybrid gazelle]

it's in her nature

she also over correct herself

so hate what she wasSOOO MUCH

she overcorrect into hating chaos

which is why she hyper authority

becuase she HATEEEE chaos so much

[zenith venture]

maybe she just got tired of her realm like how a child moves away from overbearing parents

[tepid blade]

All of the Realm Beasts seek to dominate mortals, but each in different ways

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

her majesty just stem from her nature finding its way one way or another

she never felt in control of her relam so she make Fruma into that

[tepid blade]

Whether be by destruction, conquest, or manipulation

[vapid path]

I think that’s definitely part of it

[zenith venture]

I mean if she wanted less chaos she should've taught fruma to, ya know, not escalate stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

I like her majjesty as character

one of the best written character in wynncraft

[vapid path]

The butterfly theme is so on the nose tho lol

[hybrid gazelle]

what she did is the only that she knew from the beasts

[zenith venture]

but butterflies pretty no?

[hybrid gazelle]

it's only thing she ever know

which is domination, conquest, and yeah

[zenith venture]

oh right oops

[vapid path]

It makes me wonder: if orphion is a canid and anathema is a butterfly, what is saphanis…

[random hedge]

Why doesnt Orphion use tactics to weaken Saphennis? It certainly did something with the parasite, why not Orphion idk put a lantern that purifies the darkness in dern

[warped horizon]

i mean if i lived in a dimension where the sky is red and nuclear warheads rain down from the sky then yeah id be pretty pissed off too

[hybrid gazelle]

ORPHION IS A BUM

[hybrid gazelle]

also btw if you get contact with people who design devils

[vapid path]

Tbf she’s the one causing nukes and rockets to fly everywhere lol

[hybrid gazelle]

they also mention that devils fight each other

to imagine living in OMEGA EVIL CHICAGO

[vapid path]

That’s called Gary, Indiana

[warped horizon]

hey im going to chicago this summer wish me luck

[celest falcon]

Orphion is divorced, homeless, and his kids hate him

[tepid blade]

Because Orphion feels less aggressive, willing to play the long game rather than throw everything you have at your enemies until it dies

[random hedge]

I see

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion eat dark chocolate and die

[vapid path]

Omg is that what the parasite is

Damn we should have just eaten it

[hybrid gazelle]

the reason Orphion is weak because nobody like vanilla chocolate

[random hedge]

Vanilla chocolate 💀

[vapid path]

Does that mean the mysterious egg from the ultimate discovery will be sold to a chocolate merchant in Fruma wastelands?

It’s just cocoa beans after all

[tepid blade]

Just look how Orphion treats the Elves vs. how Saphanis treated the Olm, one turned them into a servant cult race, and Saphanis just attacked the Olm just because he could

[slim belfry]

dark chocolate is better

[hybrid gazelle]

Saphanis collecting those olms into it dark sweatshop

ubt wait guys

dont forget

Zeph has

darkness inside him,,,

[random hedge]

I'm going to be a grown man and wont be playing wynncraft when dern drops 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Zeph is scion of dern theory

[random hedge]

Cap

Wait

He did kinda just help us for no reason

[hybrid gazelle]

he literally said he has darkness inside him

in overture of despair

[random hedge]

Maybe its like hes being blackmailed and has to do it

[hybrid gazelle]

no

he got darkness inside him,,,,

[random hedge]

How?

[warped horizon]

given the quality of fruma content within such a small space on the map i cant even imagine how dern would be implemented

[hybrid gazelle]

he just got it

he got darkness inside him,,,,

[slim belfry]

probably semi-off map like realm of light

wonder if they saved space for dern

[hybrid gazelle]

he got darkenss inside him,,,

[random hedge]

Maybe we have to do the thing we did before we got into silent expanse where we had to purse the darkness

[random hedge]

Why is he smiling when he says that?

[hybrid gazelle]

evil zpeh

eil zeph theory

[tepid blade]

Oh no, my boy, don't join the dark side

[slim belfry]

when they go to dern zeph's skin peels off revealing a dark entity that was playing as him

[random hedge]

No Zeph, I am your father

[hybrid gazelle]

ME WHEN I GET INTO DERN UPDATE AND ZEPH'S EYES TURN PURPLE

[random hedge]

Arent we getting wastelands before?

[hybrid gazelle]

who give as hit about wasteland

[random hedge]

spitting facts

[tepid blade]

Yes, and likely SE quest rework next (from what I have heard)

[slim belfry]

post apocalyptic badlands enjoyers

[random hedge]

Pls tell me they dont brutually maul everyone to death

[warped horizon]

fantasy western enjoyers

[random hedge]

I lowkey hated that questline

All my friends die

[warped horizon]

also can someone please explain to me the appeal of zeph's character

[tepid blade]

True, most of them don't even feel deserved, the only one that at least kind of feels like it makes sense is Aledar's death because showed up more than once before

[hybrid gazelle]

he make me laugh

[warped horizon]

out of all the leaves him and mora seem the least interesting to me

[tepid blade]

I just think he is cool, and a bit relatable, and funny

[warped horizon]

zeph especially doesnt change in any meaningful way

[random hedge]

Well aledar would have to die for fruma questline to work

[hybrid gazelle]

he got change in meaningful way

he went from being single

[tepid blade]

I mean, he becomes more confident and skilled over time

[hybrid gazelle]

to having himbo boyfriend

[warped horizon]

he got the darkness inside of him

[random hedge]

Who?

[warped horizon]

i like his boyfriend more than him

[hybrid gazelle]

Yuman

[random hedge]

Where does it say that?

[foggy condor]

Human

[hybrid gazelle]

read their dialogues

[tepid blade]

what kind of question is that

[warped horizon]

"Just ask him out already"

[random hedge]

Tasim...and Yuman?

[warped horizon]

well that certainly is a ship

[tepid blade]

Best line in the entire expansion

[warped horizon]

"Do you like guys?"

[random hedge]

Aint no way Tasim is gay

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim is gay

[tepid blade]

That was also really funny

[foggy condor]

No, Zeph

[hybrid gazelle]

I am sorry but the writer of this game

[slender copper]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ovcBDpGDpNBdeiCHx3TQjLasJFLjje_PYkOrmt1Wj38/edit?tab=t.0

[hybrid gazelle]

is top 1 Tasim x Aledar shipper

[tepid blade]

Tasim is most certainly suggested to be gay

[tepid blade]

LoL

[random hedge]

Why is every guy gay 😭

[tepid blade]

because why not?

[warped horizon]

almost every guy in fruma is also bare chested

[random hedge]

Can we at least get some boy/girl action?

[tepid blade]

Rex is suggested to have something for one of the brothers

I forget who

but it is mentioned at one point

[random hedge]

Ok

[slender copper]

Here's that several paragraph theory I was talking about lol

Hopefully I was able to convey it well enough.

[hybrid gazelle]

we got like

2-3 non binary in fruma

also first lesbian characters

and gay couple

[random hedge]

Well did we have any other romance outside of fruma? I didnt notice any

[warped horizon]

really? fruma has the first gay couple?

what about maxie

[foggy condor]

Maxie still in the lead though

[hybrid gazelle]

and character who can be see as trans representation but not offically trans

but like her story can be view as trans allegory

[hybrid gazelle]

LESBIAN

[slender copper]

Rhay and Maxie.

[tepid blade]

yeah, Maxie

[warped horizon]

a

[hybrid gazelle]

thek key word is lesbian

[tepid blade]

Which character?

[hybrid gazelle]

her majesty

[tepid blade]

ahhh, makes sense

[vapid path]

Hidden village

[hybrid gazelle]

there also Afelis

because they had a partner

and whatever Tasim and Aledar has going on

the WANDERING YEARNER

[vapid path]

Lari dullahan isn’t exactly a reciprocated “relationship” but that’s straight

[hybrid gazelle]

there entire deleted scene

[hybrid gazelle]

lari is ACE

[random hedge]

Wait they had something going on?

[tepid blade]

Really?

[hybrid gazelle]

it called yearning

and Tasim is competitive at it

[random hedge]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[vapid path]

Lari is gay for the light

Aka ace lol

[hybrid gazelle]

not saying that ACE people cant get into relationship

[tepid blade]

Also Afelis, their whole "questline" I didn't do in the game, but now I wish I did because it just sounds so sad but also sweet at the same time

[hybrid gazelle]

but consider the deleted scene

Lari definitely not share the same feeling with Dullahan LOL

[tepid blade]

what deleted scene?

[slender copper]

I suggest do the Overture to Despair quest to understand.

[hybrid gazelle]

there meantto be a scene in ROL where Dullahan try to adance his relation with Lari

but Lari reject

[tepid blade]

Ah

[foggy condor]

I'm glad that's deleted then

[random hedge]

I did the entire fruma questline

Ig that explains Tasim's crashout

[hybrid gazelle]

TASIM THE YEARNER

[vapid path]

Also like, tasims sovereign power was literally butterfly wings lol

[hybrid gazelle]

he look like tooth fairy

[vapid path]

Not saying that’s like, gay or anything but come on…

[hybrid gazelle]

I cant take it seriously LOL

[random hedge]

wdym? its butterfly wings how does that possibly connect to gender

[hybrid gazelle]

me when I am in Tasim x Aledar compeittion

and my opponent is Lexnt

[tepid blade]

It's a sterotypical trope

[slender copper]

...did you not realize that before? lol?

[random hedge]

I understood he had a relationship, but not that kind of one

[vapid path]

It was pretty clearly one sided

[random hedge]

Like I care about Tasim

But not gay

[foggy condor]

...are you Aledar

[tepid blade]

I personally interpreted Tasim and Aledar's relationship as Tasim having a crush on Aledar, but was never able to tell Aledar before his death

[hybrid gazelle]

I love how Aledar reallhy want Tasim by his side in SE expendition

[vapid path]

^^

[hybrid gazelle]

if you read the letter

[random hedge]

I never got the jist they had that going on, just like a brotherly love

[vapid path]

Still gotta read that

[random hedge]

Well yeah, it would the the 3 musketeers

[split night]

I feel like if Tasim take that letter, our role would be swapped with him in Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

no because the player did not get invite

at all

we just stumple into mission

[random hedge]

To SE?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[split night]

yeah

[vapid path]

Tbf last aledar saw of us was what, barracks?

[random hedge]

sry i havent done pre fruma in almost a year

[tepid blade]

We just joined because one of our other allies spotted us and had a third spot open

[random hedge]

eldritch outlook

[split night]

Alphaba

[foggy condor]

4th*

[vapid path]

Obviously not that… lol

[split night]

she's a cool woman

[tepid blade]

yeah, thanks

[random hedge]

you mean 3 of us together?

[tepid blade]

True

[vapid path]

I mean before journey beyond when was the last we saw aledar

[random hedge]

looks like texture pack wont load

[hybrid gazelle]

uh

that

yeah that normal

[vapid path]

It was almuj barracks for sure right?

[hybrid gazelle]

for now yes

last time we see Aledar is almuj barrack

but we probably see him in Troms

[vapid path]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

one of mel dialogue in queen's recruit

mention Aledar helping them in Troms

against a siege

[vapid path]

Damn remind me who Mel is lol

[hybrid gazelle]

the

person who in mercenary quest

the one you fought in quene's recruit in tournament

the shaman one

[vapid path]

Ah yes, crap those characters were introduced and forgotten lol

[hybrid gazelle]

that lanu

Mel is non binary

[slender copper]

o_o... ||Was the Aledar in AJB and AJF not him then??||

[tepid blade]

oh, didn't know that

[vapid path]

lol it was him, I mean before that point haha

[hybrid gazelle]

I meant before SE expdnition

[slender copper]

oh-

[random hedge]

Just reread the letter and didnt see anything gay

[tepid blade]

Read between the lines

[random hedge]

Buddy theres more than 1 kind of deep relationship

[split night]

This would be weird ass writing quirk and make ajf even less impactful than what it already is xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I literally could not see Tasim and Aledar as anything but gay after seeing the writers ngl

and also meefy

but yeah

[random hedge]

Did the writers say they were supposed to be?

[hybrid gazelle]

not outright publicly but she is like

invested in tasim x aledar

[split night]

I feel like they had adventure behind our back
we were truly the third in the 3 way friendship 😔

[hybrid gazelle]

so I literally like

could not see them as anything but couple LOL

[random hedge]

Is this one writer? Is she in charge of the story?

[hybrid gazelle]

and also it wayyy funnier this way

Tasm the yearner

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah she wrote fruma and early quest so I guess yeah

like

[tepid blade]

yeah, for the most part at least

[hybrid gazelle]

to make it clear

[slender copper]

I feel like that moreorless the community just shipping them even if they were written with having a bond like friends/brothers.

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim x Aledar is not outright comfirm in the story

it not COMFIRM

but it just general community consenure

[random hedge]

speculation

[hybrid gazelle]

that they are gay

because like

[tepid blade]

True, implied but not confirmed

[hybrid gazelle]

they might as well be gay

to me they are gay because I am very involve

[split night]

I'm pushing for Tasim x Aledar x [Character]
we cannot be left out

[hybrid gazelle]

in the community that heavily ship them