📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

what other province

[stoic perch]

Dern

I for one hope for a guilding update

[mossy badge]

Prof update 🥺

[hollow lynx]

We need so many reworks it's actually hilarious

[remote panther]

As does lightbender oh wait wrong mechanic

[split night]

Lari, once a scion of Unity, betrayed Eulogia and follow Orphion on her mission to blind bless the world with Light and ensure the Lice's continuous Saturation

[digital swan]

Bloomi is like

gonna be in 50 years

[split night]

wynnswap

[digital swan]

I only believe in the Realm of Democracy AU

[uneven basin]

Kinda peak

Does orphion invade the silent expanse in wynnswap

[split night]

Swap Orphion and Saphanis, they generally the same but with their mood swapped ( Tame -> Hostile and vice versa )
It's not the Silent Expanse in WynnSwap, it's the Cacophonous Enclosure

Also Anathema is a happy girl in this AU

she have good parents and Saphanis care about her

[uneven basin]

Is fruma a utopia ? X)

[mossy badge]

What mounts are in that enclosure? 🗣️

[uneven basin]

Imagine dark gavel tho

[split night]

Story-wise
Orphion and Saphanis instead of War, want to strive for Unity and merge to become a greater power ( similar to Realm of Twilight AU ). The result is that they create something near-equal to them or even better than them and that is Eulogia, The Beast of Unity
She's happy here in the realm of unity, but she want more happiness where she can see and when she see her parents striving for a third world, she took action and went to Fruma

Anyway fast foward Orphion desire more power, he break the trust and Unity between him and Saphanis, for Saphanis, It want to keep the Unity because it saw what they can be when they are together

[hybrid gazelle]

the design is not retally finish but want to showcase the new devil design I am making

[split night]

Dark Gavel is actually really cool, instead of scary eyes forest we got the Shadow Forest, it's more Dream-like than scary looking

Sort of like Deltarune

but The Saturation has turned everything into a dull and gray environment, like you just woke up from a dream

[uneven basin]

Like the field of hopes and dreams ?

[split night]

yesss

[uneven basin]

That's a really neat concept for what light decay could look like

[split night]

btw!!
They mostly kept their personality but with a different morality
Bak'al is the Scion of Dark, and he want to spread the dream-like world too, he couldn't stop the Lice and its Saturation because he wasn't strong enough so he kept plotting ways to stop it, for a thousand year until the player's Character arrived

[uneven basin]

Is bak al from gavel ? Is he still a human ?

[split night]

yeah he is, not human but like near human, idk what species he would be in this AU xd
He's like Lari but have a good reason why The Saturation still going on for years

[uneven basin]

There could be dark elves since they'd have a link to dern and bak al could be one of them )

[split night]

also the Corruption is called Sanctification in this AU
where anyone near a spot that's particularly calming or Lari is here, they get sucked into a kind of Hivemind

I love writing these mirrored worlds, so fun

and also, Anathema have a good ending here 🥺
Fruma story would be a little bit of a reverse where Eulogia is part of a resistent trying to overthrow Facism in Fruma

[uneven basin]

So the council would still be there and the quest would be to help eulogia bring peace ?

[vocal rapids]

Do we ever get anything more from lari after she goes into the what ever realm that was with bakal?

[uneven basin]

Nope

Not yet

[split night]

yeah kind of
Eulogia came to Fruma very recently, sort of like near the time we explore the Cacophonous Enclosure

[vocal rapids]

Can we expect something in the future?

[split night]

yeah we can

it's just that the future is gonna be pretty long

[vocal rapids]

I have not done any fruma stuff yet, do we get more lore about corruption/decay stuff or is it new province new stuff new lore

[mossy badge]

It does expand on existing lore about those stuffs

[burnt robin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wtf-bruh-he-doesnt-know-RXtD0Rt2xrUxIvJYkP

[split night]

Yes please do it don't look in this channel because you will get spoiled

[vocal rapids]

I don't mind spoilers too much

[burnt robin]

dude trust me you need to see this for yourself

[mossy badge]

Smh

[burnt robin]

even if yo udont mind spoilers

this is something that you WILL want to experience firsthand rather than hearing

so just go ahead and play the damn quests already

theyre peak

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455454646733639896/1492767495529168979/HFoG0xQakAcpvYj.gif

[tender jetty]

man bak’al should wash his hair more thoroughly

[vocal rapids]

Yeah, it's not like I'm fetching for them I plan to experience it myself but like if I came across it accidentally I wouldn't get upset or something lol

[split night]

instead of The Parasite infecting Orphion
it's the Lice infecting Saphanis xd

more specifically the Feather Lice, commonly found in Owl

[uneven basin]

So orphion sends an army of lice to take saphanis over ?

[tender jetty]

fire

[split night]

yeah instead of one big parasite we got dozens of tiny Lice controlling Saphanis body

[tender jetty]

orphion mailing saphanis his unwashed hat

[split night]

generally WynnSwap story would be really different with how much about the divinity of Wynn changed xd

It's more the people fighting a masked hivemind than fighting zombie

[uneven basin]

Bak al really getting the reverse treatment being the one to be overwhelmed by an army from beyond

[split night]

In this AU he actually kill the Lice, it's just that there are so many of them that it overwhelmed him xd

[uneven basin]

Sounds way creepier

Oh yeah I was commenting on how og Bak al strategy is to send a bunch of zombies in and here he's receiving

[split night]

Yeah the Hiveminders can blend in with people

like you have to genuinely try to spot what's wrong with them to kill them

[uneven basin]

Whole province becoming aldwell

[split night]

I wasn't consider swapping the region but damn this is interesting

you have to face with the fact that you might kill an innocent person from the very beginning

[split night]

Oh yeah!!
if you wondering where Lari's eyes are
she actually is faceless except for the lips, which is creepy as hell to imagine so I just hide her mouth with a mask

She's all talk but really smart and also sounds like an old person like
"Don't you get it...? This world, it shall be blessed by his light"

She got her immortality a little bit later and she's a bit older in this AU in term of mental age

[uneven basin]

Is the color pattern of the horns deliberately Homestuck

[split night]

yes i was inspired
it's a little bit that and Orphion tail's color

are we allowed to like make threat of AUs
I kinda want to bundle these lore bits up into a coherent story

xd

also Aledar and Tasim swapped

[warm flicker]

jesus that thing looks like its in agonizing pain 24/7

[hybrid gazelle]

it's inspired by an execution method of a person having molten gold poured into their mouth lol

[split night]

why is pre modern time people so evil

[zenith coral]

so if bloomi comes after fruma when does morgor come out?

[paper wyvern]

it comes after gavel rerereborn

[zenith coral]

so after dungeons are added to gavel got it

[hot timber]

why is gikyo's boss theme called "ugly reflection" if theyre hot

[zenith coral]

arguably changelings never had a true form, so maybe he wants something beautiful of his own? idk where i was going with this

[vapid path]

Beauty is on the inside

[hybrid gazelle]

Changeling has true form??

[zenith coral]

thats a hard lesson for a changeling who has been taught outside is everything

[zenith coral]

actually apparentley slime is the true form

debatable tho

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that what I was saying

They have true form

It’s purple with glowing eyes

The one in general’s order is outdated due to technical limitations

In the future the model likely to be change

[zenith coral]

you sure tho?

cause that form seems to still have elements of the form they took on

[hybrid gazelle]

You literally see it in lootrun

[zenith coral]

nvm then

[hybrid gazelle]

They similar to ||gikyo true face||

||it very similar shade of purple||

||purple goo also presence||

[zenith coral]

when do we see ||gikyos true face||

[hot timber]

impaled

[hybrid gazelle]

||when they die and mid transformation in their boss fight||

||you can see their true face briefly before they change transform into zeph, rex, and mora||

[zenith coral]

didnt catch that

anyways is that their true face? a shapeshifters true form is arguably when they are first born, everything else is suspect. so we will prolly have to wait till wasteland and see a birth of a changeling live to know their true form

[flint pasture]

i thought they were born in the facility in the Mistwoods

[zenith coral]

even more suspect then

[paper wyvern]

they are born in a facility in the wastelands and brought to the fort

[flint pasture]

ah ok

[hybrid gazelle]

You literally see similar form in koviraptor? In lootrun challenge

||And no why would Gikyo just shapeshift into purple bloat lol||

Changeling literally habe record mention that they are slimey mid transform

There is literally info on that in secrecy discovery

Whcih fit description of both ||gikyo true face|| and koviraptor?

The purple goo is likely their exceed produce from their transformation

Which explain their shape shifting ability

It likely the purple goo is how changeling can adjust and mold their form to biology level

They do not expand themselves like ballon, they produce these people goo to extend themselves

[zenith coral]

you sure it isnt just a botched koviraptor transformation

[hybrid gazelle]

They literally were completed koviraptor

You only get koviraptor? After you killed the koviraptor in lootrun

They are second phase of the koviraptor in the slay challenge

It not botched, cause again just as the discovery said

Changeling are slimey mid transformation

[zenith coral]

well i didnt do the lootrun sry

[hybrid gazelle]

That literally how ophriel get expose

[zenith coral]

also gikyo seems very... uh nature-aligned. the whole hallow thing. thoughts on that?

[hybrid gazelle]

Their title repeatly switch between hallow and hollow

Likely reference to who they are as character

[paper wyvern]

yeah you get a good explanation for hollow from the letter in the canopy secret discovery

[hybrid gazelle]

It likely the hallow title is shown how unlike other changeling they are respected as soverign and being their trainer

[zenith coral]

the hallow thing and the notes seem to suggest changelings are basically earth elementals or smth like that, so gikyo is blessed by the earth?

[hybrid gazelle]

No their blessing is given by the queen

We don’t know extactly what it is yet

But whatever the changeling are connected to the wasteland

[zenith coral]

i mean metaphorically

[hybrid gazelle]

Ok

[zenith coral]

that they are a 'child of the earth' or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

They

They are a child of the earth

[paper wyvern]

yeah honestly I hope they get some more backstory in wastelands

[hybrid gazelle]

If that the case then thst would be apply to otjer changeling

But so far what we see from Gikyo that set them apart from other changeling

[zenith coral]

the locked away note where the old sovereign asks gikyo for his insight into spooky earth changeling birth and gikyo laughs him off makes me very sus

makes me feel he had a hidden agenda

[hybrid gazelle]

Is their drive to make the people of mistwood suffer for what they did with changeling

And seeing them suffer as justification

[paper wyvern]

we know gikyo is from the first group of changelings from first wickers spark

[hybrid gazelle]

This is the foil against their sibling ||azeal||

[hybrid gazelle]

Because Seilum literally came out of nowhere and ask the meaning/solution to life itself

Do you think they would not find thst funny or ridiculous?

Suddenly get philosophical out of nowhere

[zenith coral]

not exactly i think. he asked about the specifics to changeling birth, and how the earth seemed to create them

[hybrid gazelle]

Extactly thst funny

Did Seilum expect an answer just because Gikyo is a changeling?

[paper wyvern]

dude really just went "hey do you know how you were born"

[hybrid gazelle]

That like asking entire history of America to a random ass American

That literally just funny question to ask

[zenith coral]

i got the vibe that gikyo knew something and he deemed selium as not deserving of those secrets

[hybrid gazelle]

Do you know the meaning of life?

Cause that what Seilum is asking Gikyo

[zenith coral]

eh maybe. id just find it interesting if gikyo had a secret 'pro-mother earth agenda' we never got tosee

[hybrid gazelle]

I have 0 idea what you talking about

[zenith coral]

well cuz the earth births changelings they are effectiveley elementals, so they are literal children of the land. gikyo is one of the first changeligns so he is 'royalty'. selium got close to 'secrets'. i then thought maybe gikyo has a mindset that he is... better than humans? smth like that. and that people need to respect the land.

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh wait I just reminded that I gotta think about what should I do with Gavelian race

I have not done dwarves yea fuckkk

[zenith coral]

why does orphion speak in ancient gavellian anyways

he just suddenley switches language on us in his post-raid dialogue for no reason. and its even a request for us. whats going on?

[regal spire]

Aight, I accidentally discovered the old Wynnter fair minigames again, like the throw cookies into Santa’s mouth one, but I do NOT remember the Avalanche one

This is, like, a whole ass quest

[inner flower]

Hol up

They added new portraits to the sovereign gallery in Aelumia library!

[narrow kestrel]

you ever invest too much in agility to the point that you dodge the scripted death

i have to do /kill manually. fuck

[regal spire]

Lmao, useless ass canary

[narrow kestrel]

cant tell a poem too

😭

its bugged atm

according to wiki it tells a poem depending on your soul points/professions

but for me it just skips straight to "how was that poem? beautiful, wasnt it?"

[lavish knot]

If by random chance Tasim could be found in Gaval, where would he be?

[narrow kestrel]

in my heart

❤️

love that goober

havent seen him since level 25 though

[zenith coral]

cinfras ig

he apparentley did that secret discovery broken golem in

so hes the reason we find it like that

[silk ravine]

Honestly having him pop up randomly in an under-used area like Gelibord or Lexdale would be cool

[vapid path]

Helping defend lexdale church for example

[whole river]

Lexdale definitely needs something more, has a good quest but otherwise the town is filler af

[mossy badge]

He'll prolly appear in more than 1 quest, surely

[uneven basin]

Gelibord has afelis but lexdale would be cool

Have him involved with war od the realms stuff in general

[signal bough]

<@&268142859327242242> kill him.

[hot timber]

is sovereign xima the charlie kirk of fruma?

assassinated, later cherished by the government as a hero of sorts

[spring kernel]

Kirk valley

[hot timber]

exactly

in aelumia's theatre royal they play "we are xima thalas"

[edgy loom]

uhh why doesn't corkus have an ultimate discovery

[exotic bough]

Never got to it

Higher priority stuff

[spring kernel]

corkus was like the first place to ever get secret discoveries, before ultimates were really a thing iirc

so it just never got one

[edgy loom]

well, ig with fruma now would be the perfect time

we still need to see the inquisitors going to corkus to erase their minds

[exotic bough]

It’d need like at least 5 more bc of its size

[summer bluff]

Wynnsanely cursed

[edgy loom]

tbf the corkus discoveries are WAY beefier than in other regions

[summer bluff]

"Counting or not counting Cursed violence?"

[hot timber]

stabbed in the back by an assassin

[exotic bough]

True but so are the fruma ones arguably

[hot timber]

actually no, shot by an archer arrow bomb duh

[regal spire]

Corkus could use another 2 SD’s, imo

[uneven basin]

Speaking of we also need to know why the queen let them go cause no way in hell they can cross a third of the province unnoticed

[winged narwhal]

Why not?

[uneven basin]

I always assumed the queen didn't want anyone getting out because the border is heavily guarded and the way Wynn recruits are treated and she definitely has the power to shoot down a balloon

[nova goblet]

hey, so do we have this translated

it's sunken monument secret

[tepid blade]

https://discordapp.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621

They might have it here somewhere

[light zealot]

Is there a reason for Zhiraok's constant use of mathematics/physics terms in his dialogue?
All the references to integrands, variables, vectors, subtraction, etc.

Does he just like math? Or is there a deeper lore reason

[formal bridge]

he's just kind of like that

he's a dweeb

(affectionately)

[shut mist]

Bro is good at substracting you from the equation

[radiant harbor]

No he isn't

[shut mist]

||the second time you fight him yeah||

He was dangerous

[gloomy idol]

speech disorder or something

[shut mist]

||second phase too||

[light zealot]

Ah, cool. It seems a bit neurodivergent-coded actually, which is a very cool bit of representation if that is the intention

[gloomy idol]

yeah i think it is

considering it's not (that) related to his blessing and he mentions he literally can't not speak like that \

[radiant harbor]

His secret discovery shows he developed this "disorder" after he got the blessing

[radiant harbor]

Oh I misremembered then I guess

[shut mist]

Where does it mention this ?

[gloomy idol]

-# ngl i didnt do that yet

[shut mist]

I seem to have missed it

[rotund gust]

what. i thought silverbull being in fruma was just a gameplay thing not a lore thing why are more employees being added

[gloomy idol]

i think when syndra visits him in the earlier quest

cutscene

[gloomy idol]

its the blue mobs that defend the area isnt it

so you dont die while looking at reward chest

[shut mist]

I dont remember reading something like that

[rotund gust]

that would make sense

[light zealot]

I haven't finished the main storyline yet, so if there are spoilers then don't spoil them for me. Just wondering since it keeps coming up

[radiant harbor]

If you didn't do his secret discovery yet then do it, it's in espren

[light zealot]

You mean Solace in Pain? I have done that one

[nova goblet]

I think you can get hard mode version of this quest when you unlock it

[light zealot]

I love secret discoveries and secret hunting - it's one of my favourite things to do in Wynncraft actually

[nova goblet]

on subsequent walktroughs

[radiant harbor]

He mentioned something about how he speaks in his diary if you "open a random page" or something

[radiant harbor]

These secret discoveries in fruma are really good

[radiant harbor]

Crazy

[light zealot]

They are awesome, yes. And super unique in terms of mechanics and puzzles. I really liked The Great Sap Siphon

[nova goblet]

unfortunately, ||Majin|| did not have any easter eggs

[rotund gust]

does the hardmode actually change anything beyond ||The Adder Fight||? like a cosmetic trinket or reward change

[nova goblet]

or at least didn't in beta

idk honestly

never put it myself so

[rotund gust]

"hard mode" - beat up the middle school bully

Fight Private Pyle

[light zealot]

Also, am I going insane that ||Gale from the Qira Hive and Zhiraok both have the same last name? || Just tell me if I am on the right track. But I swear that her ||surname was also Nasin||

[rotund gust]

azure

theres a secret discovery dedicated to it

[shut mist]

Yep

[light zealot]

I haven't gotten there yet - but that's awesome

Man this game is so good

[shut mist]

||also gale can give you a trinket in blizzard fest kinda relates to this||

||its called crest of the highlands||

[nova goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-anime-personabeys-personabey-realization-gif-25244102

holy shit

I completely forgot

[shut mist]

Yep

[nova goblet]

you're so right

[rotund gust]

||if only she took the Nasin Charm with her, we'd be fighting Gale, not the Spirit of Gale||

[nova goblet]

WE'VE BEEN TEASED SO EARLY!!!!!!

[shut mist]

Small detail that can be overlooked easily

[shut mist]

||but zhiraok wouldve been long dead and rex would stay dead||

Its not that much better really...

[rotund gust]

i mean

||how many times had zhiraok died before syndra killed him||

[restive yacht]

i've missed out on gale's lore

who's gale

nasin gale*

where do we see them

[rotund gust]

||he might've still been alive just because of the sovereigns being ageless and not having been killed yet||

[shut mist]

Probably 0 but still

[rotund gust]

||and syndra might not have killed him if she didn't know he'd revive from it. Or he dies before and the auburn section plays out differently, butterfly effecting the rest of the questline, so rex may not have died||

||and even if syndra does kill him, then no one stops us from leaving roughworks, meaning soosu never openly betrays the queen to stop him, which probably leads to a different outcome since she isn't in prison||

[shut mist]

||oh yeah if everything plays out the same with zhiraok dead, auburn would be flooded||

[nova goblet]

the item that was speed on christmas
was teaser 4 YEARS BEFORE RELEASE AAAAAA

[rotund gust]

||assuming zhiraok dying permanently doesn't throw the story offcourse leading up to apotheosis. The queen decides on the flood because we have incited rebellion everywhere and killed 2 sovereigns and (from her perspective) turned 2 others to our side (since two let us leave after ensemble making 2, with zhiraok switching immediatly after), Without zhiraok in Echos, soosu doesn't betray and the player doesn't get caught escaping, meaning gikyo might not be sent after us since the queen doesn't know where we went.||

[tepid blade]

In Qira's Hive, she is the wind boss

[restive yacht]

oh

[restive yacht]

dayum that's deep

[restive yacht]

other than the nasin house secret discovery, is there other lore?

[shut mist]

No

[tepid blade]

not much, we don't know how she got to Gavel to my knowledge, but she at one point had a lover named Ohm accoring the wiki

[rotund gust]

she can fly

thats how

she just... flew away i guess

now how she learned the magic to do that ehhhh

[uneven basin]

Blessing for the future sovereign

[rotund gust]

wait does zhiraok also have wind magic? Like he has his time magic but he has a lot of wind motif too (evermoving zephyr, oncoming storm, his magic launching the player in the air and stunning them with leviation etc)

does house Nasin just have innate air magic. 2/2 of the people who know from the house have air magic, but since their loyal to the Queen their magic is a blessing, and they aren't labeled as cursed

[restive yacht]

ic

[slim belfry]

some people theorized cyclone flowers

that one enemy in the highlands

[rotund gust]

i kinda convinced myself on this Nasin innate air thing now

also explains the blades in his fight, since they have nothing to do with time magic, but air magic being used to fling them around checks out. plus he's not holding them they're just floating there so its not like they're foci

[quartz mist]

good news, i have a better mic now

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/sensei-wu-its-so-peak-peak-so-peak-wu-gif-3004206038055032718

[warped horizon]

what's rurie's deal with majin are they bitter ex boyfriends

[quartz mist]

Have you read through all the "random" journal entries in the Solace In Pain discovery? It's spelled out there.

[tepid blade]

We don't know what Rurie's deal with Majin right now, at least to my knowledge

[quartz mist]

Also, Ohms, not Ohm.

[rotund gust]

just opened solace in pain to read it and

His pronouns are they/them

[quartz mist]

just poked the wiki people to fix that

[rotund gust]

also kinda weird that we don't see any other members of house Nasin or Thalas inside of fruma. Like living ones. They're noble houses not just the two sovereigns right?

like when do we get to meet majins 2nd cousin or something

[hasty beacon]

Theres so many houses mentioned too, like no way even canon size highlands has enough castles for all these guys

[rotund gust]

i mean, theres the three caves in highlands for houses estalis, krisa and liftal

also presumably the minor nobles would just live in aelumia or in hyloch

with only the big ones getting their own palaces

[quartz mist]

seems like that dialogue is missing from the wiki as well, mentioned that too

[light zealot]

Now that I think about it, I should maybe write out an Outer Wilds style rumour board to keep track of all the Fruma lore as I learn it

Because there is a lot

[nova goblet]

ok
ngl
I'm kinda surprised that someone ACTUALLY predicted using vanilla glitches to get the cheese

[smoky bough]

Damn the missing piece is such a good quest

[rotund gust]

(also each of those 3 having magic might lend credence to house nasin having innate air magic, with the nobles all being "cursed" bloodlines who sided with the queen, explaining those 3 non-sovereigns being allowed to use their magic)

granted they all have weapons so they could just be allowed foci but this feels more interesting. That would mean house Thalas also probably has some innate magic though which is never mentioned despite majin going the most in depth about his magic out of the sovereigns

[nova goblet]

also I have managed SOMEHOW to tie with arnold

and bugged the quest like that

[quartz mist]

since I don't think the discovery is repeatable, I'll spell it out behind the spoiler- ||He is constantly running through a huge to-do list in his head, and is constantly calculating the time to finish any given task or process against the rest of that list. Because he constantly has those going in the back of his head, is never not thinking about what he could or should be doing next and how long that will take, what the quickest a-to-b lines are, what should be prioritized or pushed back, he started involuntarily leaking those mathematical terms into his speaking until it became a habit that he has to actively work to suppress if he wants to avoid speaking in mathematics- and when he's stressed, it tends to get worse.||

[rotund gust]

he's so real for that

[smoky bough]

Never thought I'd get tears from a quest in wynncraft but The Missing Piece did it

[rotund gust]

pretty sure it is repeatable but i don't remember if you get the cutscene a second time. Atleast is was repeatable on beta

[light zealot]

No wonder I like Zhiraok so much - ||I kind of do that myself. Obviously not to that scale, but checklists and mental time calculations are definitely something my weird brain does all the time.||

That's fascinating

All of the characters in Fruma are so well-written

And when compared to older stuff cough cough Amadel cough cough it is really night and day

[smoky bough]

Totally

[light zealot]

Just goes to show how much the Content Team have improved

[smoky bough]

I still haven't finished fruma but after meeting soosu I like her most

just met her in the silver feathers quest

but zhiraok is also great

[rotund gust]

also CT have figured oout how to make their characters have aura. Zhiraok bursting through the gate in Echos then saying "you already know" is crazy aura for a guy we already beat up once

[warped horizon]

im not sure how to feel about the roughworks brothers still

[light zealot]

Gikyo and really everything with the Mistwoods are continually mysterious.

[quartz mist]

Reading him as neurodivergent is, I would say, a valid take. I'll admit it wasn't necessarily intentional but I also am AuDHD, so maybe that ended up shining through in his speech- to the point where while I dunno if I would say it is canon it also is the farthest thing from unreasonable

[slim belfry]

Zhiraok grew to be one of my favorite characters in fruma

[rotund gust]

same

Hype moments and aura

won me over

[slim belfry]

even when we're on different sides I still held respect towards him

[light zealot]

And a lot of fantasy actually has characters who are neurodivergent, but never say it outright (and I usually like them). So it's cool that Wynncraft now has one as well!

[tepid blade]

True and real

[quartz mist]

Like, I'm not gonna tell anyone saying Zhiraok is neurodivergent that they're wrong

[light zealot]

It seems like all of the Sovereigns (at least all of those I have met so far, that being Majin, Soosu, and Zhiraok) have all been changed and severely affected by their "blessings" from the Queen

[rotund gust]

yes

[coarse elk]

it's kinda hinted at in the raid buff names too right?

[light zealot]

And I barely know Soosu - but I know that being stuck in a child's body for over 100 years probably doesn't bode well for her overall mental well-being

[warped horizon]

it's pretty subtle but i like how quill and azael are often seen together at the end as if they've bonded over being the old strategist guys in their respective teams

i also like rex's character development where ||she becomes a sort of motherly figure/leader in syndra's absence||

[rotund gust]

well the raid debuffs

[coarse elk]

true

[light zealot]

Alright, I'm going to pop out of here now to play more Wynn (and avoid spoilers)
Next up, The Steel Feather part 2!

[coarse elk]

the two-sidedness of the blessings

[rotund gust]

the buffs are positive qualities of the 5 sovereigns, the debuffs are negative qualities

Zhiraok is relentless but restless
Soosu is ingenious but apathetic
Gikyo is unrestrained but faceless
Majin is opulent but prideful
Two is omniscient but isolated

trust once wastelands drop their gonna have to add a 6th buff and debuff for Oru

and a 7th set of them for Tasim

unless Oru is the omniscient but isolated, but its probably Two

8th raid buff and debuff for Bak'al

[slim belfry]

old man yaoi

[rotund gust]

if im right and Selium is still alive, 9th raid buff and debuff lmfao

[tepid blade]

It would feel weird if they gave an unreleased sovereign their own buff/debuff, so it is probably Two

[rotund gust]

yeah its probably Two

[tepid blade]

What would his things be called, Control and Cowardness?

[rotund gust]

i mean, he hasn't really been characterized other then just being edgy

[warped horizon]

bold and brash

[tepid blade]

Control because his ability to control the corrupted

[coarse elk]

edgy and edgy

[rotund gust]

edge and lord

[dim plover]

What’s with the mask

[misty horizon]

||To be honest I feel like he is overusing mathematical terms||

||To the point that it's actually too many of them||

[split night]

she's faceless except for the lips so i hide it with a mask

[coarse elk]

can someone summarize first wicker's spark secret discovery :3

[dim plover]

I can’t remember if it was you the first time but oh my god please use the 2.1 version of this

[slim belfry]

sorry I don't have any of what you have saved I get them from recent messages

I really need to if I keep doing this 🙃

[dim plover]

Type derncutscene.gif on the search bar it’s the same name dude

Or you could like

Ping me and ask

[slim belfry]

oh about that uh

-# I don't really use gif search

[dim plover]

No the Discord search bar

[slim belfry]

ohhh

ok

[dim plover]

Barring my message I sent two seconds ago it’s literally the first option

[dim plover]

Where did you find “recent messages”

I get mildly annoyed when people praise that gif because it’s actual dogshit compared to the modern version

Like, genuinely just LOOK AT THE FUNNY BLUE DOG WALK ANIMATION IN THE OLD ONE

[slim belfry]

ok sorry I'll save this for future reference

[dim plover]

Ok thanks

[slim belfry]

there

[dim plover]

If anything I’m surprised at how you even found the old version

[slim belfry]

I don't remember how I got it

[dim plover]

It’s more difficult to accidentally stumble upon compared to the new gif because of how old it is

Okay coming back to this I was a little harsh
Sorry

But still how are people falling for the 2.0 one the UI looks nothing like modern Wynncraft

[slim belfry]

no I get it it's just that I was being stupid and shoulve pinged whenever I need one

[dim plover]

Tbh that’s not really the first thing most people will do

(Which I sure hoped was what happened when people get stuck in a mildly difficult obstacle in games and immediately take to social media to ask people what to do next instead of just spending five goddamn seconds looking around)

(But no people’s first thought process is to stop playing the game and post on Reddit saying “guys I’m stuck what do I do here” and the solution is literally like, five steps to the left or something)

[slim belfry]

okay that's just
yeah

[hybrid mantle]

i really really really hope that we haven't seen the last of gikyo .. we know so little and saw so little of them

wynncraft killing off like half of the canon they/thems will not go unnoticed /lh

[summer bluff]

CT kept telling me that they're dead but in my heart I know it's not true

[azure tangle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hand-on-shoulder-alright-bro-5NbbVJeSLs1etZYjpT

[hybrid mantle]

the source is the queen !!! your inventory literally gets flooded with "crumpled propaganda" every step you take in the citadel !!!

[rain saffron]

Yeah omg they are so silly I miss them 😭

[summer bluff]

And WHY didn't they explode into goo like all the other changelings? Suspicious

[azure tangle]

keep posting through it

[hybrid mantle]

THIS TOO ... their true face was exposed but like. that's it. they were simply addressed as unmoving

[azure tangle]

Gik is dead

accept it

[summer bluff]

They kept using their true face in the fight too that doesn't mean SHIT

[rain saffron]

Nooo 😭

[split night]

getting pierce by a bunch of ice gotta suck after we blasted them with spell and attacks

It would have been more funny if Sui SNOWGRAVE them

[hybrid mantle]

i just want to know if gikyu stole someone's appearance, or if they learned to dress themselves that way

[sharp hamlet]

is there a lore reason for this /j

[exotic bough]

yes, it implies that humans are capable of mitosis. this ability is something the player lacks, which means that they are not human

[slim belfry]

one piece? idk seems like he split into two pieces

[dim plover]

He's in two one pieces

[gaunt herald]

isnt the point to him that he's barely seen
who knows, maybe hes been present a lot more just imitating someone else...

[rain saffron]

Yes actually this shows that humans can duplicate therefore nobody is a human/j

[rotund gust]

the gikster is alive

[rotund gust]

the missing piece

[unique pumice]

bro i thought ||gale and gale nasin were two different people|| when i did the sd 😭

did not put 2 and 2 together

that is pretty crazy though

[cold cove]

She's always been a Nasin lol

[unique pumice]

where was that mentioned pre fruma

im curious

[slim belfry]

her grave

[paper wyvern]

blizard fest as well

[light zealot]

Holy frig...

Just completed The Price of Ingenuity - poor Soosu! Her diary was really sad to read. So each blessing comes with a curse then, hm...
It seems that Soosu's is an inability to empathize or feel emotion for anyone.
Her blessing seems incredibly strong though. I wonder if the severity of the curse is proportional to the power of the blessing?
Also, what is the Resonance Weaver? The Queen's mention that it is a lost magic immediately makes me think of the Olm, but I don't know if Fruma ever interacted with them. The Queen herself continues to grow more and more mysterious...
And an assassination attempt on the Queen at the Festival, planned by Syndra. Oh boy. Can't wait to see how this all goes down.

I'm level 111 now, and am going to do the quest "The Missing Piece".

[ashen salmon]

keep playing those questions get answered

[paper wyvern]

all your questions will be answered except we dont learn much more about the mechanics of blessings

[hybrid gazelle]

Ngl you type like old people experiencing the story for first time and I find that endearing

[ashen salmon]

it gets wilder

[hybrid gazelle]

We do tho

It explain us in the cursed one where syndra talk about how soldiers were given blessing which is basically magic through weapons

From weapon with basic magic function to actual focus

||though sovereign blessing is much different||

[light zealot]

Yes, I get that. The blessings I am referring to are|| the massive amounts of power given to the Sovereigns by the Queen. Like Zhiraok's ability to revive, or Soosu's matter manipulation||

[dry drift]

hello lore discussion

[light zealot]

It's really amazing to fall in love with Wynncraft again. I played the majority of this game during the pandemic - still remember how cool it was when Gavel Reborn and Spellbound came out.

[unique pumice]

|| the missing piece made me miss my ex || fuckass quest

very well written though props to whoever did it

[light zealot]

I'd honestly love to see some of the old quests, like WynnExcavation and Dwarves and Doguns, get remade with the quality and more mature writing of Fruma.

I remember loving those quests when I first played them years ago, but looking back now I can definitely see their flaws

Especially the Garaheth "fight" in Dwarves and Doguns Part 4, and the Amadel fight in the last WynnExcavation quest

Imagine those getting the same treatment as the Colossus or some of the new Fruma bosses - would be awesome

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure they plan to remake those story

Later down the line

[formal bridge]

yeah it's pretty clear pretty much everything from like, 35 to fruma is similarly going to looked over and rewritten to various degrees. Probably lower level side quests too

[burnt robin]

nooo dont kill my block boss and 5 stage wither bossfight 😭

also anyone else feel like ||sui's arc is REALLY, REALLY incomplete||

[slim belfry]

because ||she's likely gonna play a major role in the next chapter||

[rotund gust]

i mean, it’s cause it’s not

she hasn’t really gotten to the growth part

she’s still in the girlfailure stage

[burnt robin]

please we need ALL of the ocean and late stage wynn quests to be reworked

[formal bridge]

and a good number of gavel quests too

[burnt robin]

prio no. 1 is touching up the wynnex puzzles

we ALL saw what they are capable of now in the fruma quests

i mean, full on HUD and hologram interface

theres no way that one wynnex two puzzle with limited blocks cant be made better than just using buttons

[rotund gust]

please add wynnex site b puzzle to fruma

[elder forge]

the teleports for dogun's defeat and gylia ultimate discovery are broken :((((((((

WAIT NVM I GOT TELEPORTED TO DOGUN'S DEFEAT

IT ONLY TOOK 2 MINUTES

LETS GO

[rain saffron]

I personally don’t think so because || the second arc probably continues on Sui’s growth n stuff ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||sui arc IN Fruma is complete it just end on the sad note||

||because in the end, she left with no one because Rex and Zeph will move on to travel the world||

||she would literally left with no one||

||more of her story likely continue in Dern||

[dim plover]

Sui villain arc

[burnt robin]

ngl I feel like ||wastelands has great symbolic potential||

[slim belfry]

||wastelands feels more like steel feather and canopy potential||

[burnt robin]

||think about it, a desolate place where the only sign of civilization is the towering prison of the citadel, where everything else is in ruins||

||an equally dangerous place as it is fitting for someone who has no one left||

[warped cargo]

WTP spoilers || I noticed something. Anathema talks to the player as if we are going to live forever/an incredibly long time.
She says "Someday… beyond a distant horizon… might I re-emerge… once more…?
A spark… re-lit… a blank slate… a brand new miracle…"
a distant horizon for something that has lived as long as her isn't really within a mortal time frame. And with how she talks about her existence being a miracle and how she should not exist it implies that the chances of a new realm beast of war forming are low, so it would take a long time for a new one to form.
But she directly asks the player to be kind to it, not frumans, nor the human race as a whole, but the player.
While it's possible she's just asking the only person she could ask for that mercy on her successor/reincarnation, I doubt she would phrase it in that way with how articulate she (is even when dying). Which leaves the option in my mind that she believes that the player is immortal. ||

[gleaming apex]

I was actually totally thinking that too, I just wasn't sure if anyone else would agree. I do think the way she worded it has very interesting implications

[rain saffron]

I’ve never noticed that actually.. woah

[slim belfry]

I wonder if that means ||in every option near the end she can feel the presence within the player more||

[tepid blade]

I don't think our player is immortal (because we do die in the game) but I do see your reasoning here

[slim belfry]

immortal not invincible

[gleaming apex]

I think they mean immortal in the not aging way

[slim belfry]

as in the time context of immortal

like all the sovereigns

they all lived for centuries but can die

[gleaming apex]

I do wonder, in this world it sometimes seems like people age slower the more powerful they are

[tepid blade]

I know that they meant that we might never die of age (I am a nerd, so technically being unable to die to age but able to die to other sources is called amortality)

[slim belfry]

I think this was a old lore thing that important people live longer just because

[tepid blade]

but technicalities aside, I do get were they are coming from, but I personally think it that it might be because we are the only one nearby, but it could also her wanting us to spread her dying words "be kind to the new god"

[formal bridge]

to play devil's advocate here, she is literally dying at this point

she probably is just desperate for any reassurance she can get, even if it's illogical

[gleaming apex]

"devil's advocate". Punny.

[warped cargo]

That's why I specified that (apart from when she gets really pissed off at us) she is very articulate even when she's dying

[tepid blade]

I think magic can slow age, but only if they choose to extend their life span

[hybrid gazelle]

no that just old wynncraft being very shitty with timeline

[formal bridge]

articulate in language doesn't mean she can't get emotional near the very end. Esp since that dialogue tree requires a lot more talking before hand too

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase I think magic generally slow down age people to be kinda stupid???

[tepid blade]

I know, like I said, its a choice to extend your life

[hybrid gazelle]

ME WHEN I USE MAGIC AND IT EXTEND MY LIFE SOMEHOW

it even weird when your magic system is also about element bending most of fthe time

so like
how is this extending your life

like ice magic sure, you can probably cryo froze yourself

but I dont think there anything on earth that air magic can help you live longer

Unless make it easier for oxygen to go into your 60 years old lung sure I guess

[rotund gust]

i believe ageless would be a more proper word, not immortal

[hybrid gazelle]

but at that age you probably on death bed so like just let it go man

[gleaming apex]

I mean given how it lets some people perform superhuman physical feats, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say it could permanently affect your body

[warped cargo]

Maybe a bit, but I don't think all that much purely from normal power. Otherwise theorick wouldn't have needed to put himself in stasis.

[slim belfry]

which are the very old people in wynn

[rotund gust]

plus also, yeah she does talk as if the player will be around in the distant future to meet ||the next incarnation of war||

[slim belfry]

we could come up with explanations

[rotund gust]

old ass

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah with the help of magic I guess but not affecting their biology level

[warped cargo]

Bob lived a long ass time, but that also could've been him not being fully human (last I checked humans aren't normally grey)

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob been living long time is like plausible because him being half olm is like

possible I guess

like

[slim belfry]

I mean olms likely do live a long time

[hybrid gazelle]

there at least some air of believable

[rotund gust]

but also there are A LOT of presumably ageless characters in wynn. Consider, the emperor of the desert, theorick, maybe slykaar (or he’s just in good shape for his age) Maybe marius twain although he did eventually die

[tepid blade]

I think Theorick being affected by the Corruption might of had an effect on stopping his aging, because he sealed himself away in 589 AP, but was born around 500 AP according to the wiki, which would mean that before he was corrupted he would have been around 89 years old, very old for sure, but still possibly alive without magic

[rotund gust]

the elves of aldorei, the sovereigns

bak’al

[hybrid gazelle]

Slykaar is older than bob which make it funny

soverigns have reasons for their immortality

[slim belfry]

slykaar probably drank some of that jungle water

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al just a hateful basard he can keep going

[gleaming apex]

Well Wynn also has some of those BS martial arts, and those usually make you live longer in a lot of stories. So I could believe Bob living longer because of that

[rotund gust]

stopping aging doesn’t seem that difficult in wynn

[slim belfry]

or slime dimension magic

[hybrid gazelle]

do we even know if desert emperor actually immortal or that propoganda

Theorick got ice magic

Marius FUCKING DIE

Mael got ghost magic going on

TBH Theorick look like he live for so long

because he only have one skin

and that him being old man

so some SD with that skin make 0 sense

I think CT point it out before

I think if we do get Theorick story make over, he would have more skin that indicate his age throughout SD

[tepid blade]

Well, Bob was half Olm who are known to have had longer lives than humans

[warped cargo]

The desert emperor had the scepter that gave him immortality, theorick put himself in stasis, slykaar is part slime, idk about Marius though

[rotund gust]

marius we don’t know how he died though, and it was rumored he was immortal. So at bare minimum he extended his life far beyond what it should’ve been

[gleaming apex]

Were they? I don't remember actually seeing that anywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

if someone could pull off magic irl, I would assume they are immortal as well

again it just a rumor

it not really outright comfirmation, he still die anyway

he seems like dying of old age

[gleaming apex]

Oh sorry I meant the olm living longer part I know about bob

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know how olm generally live

I guess

Garoth is special

[warped cargo]

2 of those have god blessings, and 1 of those ripped open portals to 3 hell dimensions

[slim belfry]

the tempo town merchant?

[tepid blade]

Well it could be assumed because of Bob, and that there are other Olm around despite their civilization having collapsed a long time ago

[hybrid gazelle]

Slykaar lore is like written by person who were on crack 80% of the time

[slim belfry]

slykaar lore is bonkers yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

so I highly dbout his immortality is intentional

[rotund gust]

Here’s my thought, the 3 forces can extended life.

aldorei is very infused with light because of the destruction of the guardian of the forest, so the elves are immortal

the sovereigns and corrupted humans live forever/long since they have war infused in them

dark we don’t really have any dark influenced mortals beyond bak’al unless you count the goat slykaar and his evil pocket dimension

[hybrid gazelle]

DRINKING DERNIC ESSENCE AT 3 AM

[hybrid gazelle]

corrupted humans live long because they are DEADDDD

soverigns just dirnk that wellspring water

[rotund gust]

no i mean alive corrupteds

[hybrid gazelle]

the only caseo f this is Bak'al and Theorick

[rotund gust]

theorick is just a weird gray area

since

[hybrid gazelle]

Theorick probably cryo frozen himself

Bak'al is a massive hater

[gleaming apex]

Actually, here's an idea. We have an unnaturally long life because we traveled through the RoL and NoL. After all, the elves became immortal just from living next to the portal. We actually went in it

[rotund gust]

we don’t see him die, but his boss title card is reanimated son of twain

so theorick may or may not be dead

[slim belfry]

morbidly funny we learn this because of making soosu suffer

[hybrid gazelle]

thisi s funny because light's secrect is more closer to Efilim than Aldorei

and Efilim elves still DIE

[tepid blade]

That feels a bit of a stretch

[rotund gust]

(presumably) the wellspring and the big gap of lore left in its wake

[formal bridge]

tbf if magic radiation makes people immortal then considering we have been everywhere magical there is we should 100% immortal. I always headcanoned the player character having tons of scars on them which are from corruption and the like messing up their skin, like burns and such across them

[hybrid gazelle]

Wtf you mean presumably we literally see this in the quest

[rotund gust]

what

[hybrid gazelle]

it called WELLSRPING OF ETERNITY

[rotund gust]

no we don’t

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes we do

[slim belfry]

it was on a paper note lol

[hybrid gazelle]

we literally have note in Soosu's prison

it was on paper note

[slim belfry]

.

[rotund gust]

what

i never saw that

[formal bridge]

yeah saying we 'see this in the quest' is a big generous of a description lmao

It is available to be found

[hybrid gazelle]

the instruction literalyl tell the prison guard to give soosu that water to ensure her immortality

[gleaming apex]

Idk just a theory. I mean the light extends the elves lives. We went through the literal highest concentration of light in existence.

[hybrid gazelle]

it sitll int he quest nonetheless

[rotund gust]

yeah that implied like core part of a quest. and “the quest” implies quest about the wellspring

[slim belfry]

the discovery also says that only her majesty and the sovereigns are allowed inside

[rotund gust]

oh interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

it not really imply when it straight up tell you 😭

that shit is like have a guy stab someone 50 times nad say

well that guy IMPLY to kill that guy

[rotund gust]

so the sovereigns aren’t innately ageless they just drinkin that good shit

[slim belfry]

wait now that I think about it

does the queen drink the water

[hybrid gazelle]

no I dont think

[rotund gust]

probably not

[hybrid gazelle]

so

[warped cargo]

Wait, haven't we been to the fountain of youth, Lazarus pit, and wellspring of eternity?

[hybrid gazelle]

she probably enter it to oversee some soverigns

yes

there probably connection between these 3 water sources

reality's bath water

[warped cargo]

That might have something to do with potential immortality

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably something primodial

[gleaming apex]

Why didn't we just lace the water. "Foolish sovereign I laced yo water!"

[formal bridge]

considering the player can dunk themselves straight into the water and not feel anything it lends credence to us being unique in some way lmao

[slim belfry]

this was something I've been thinking

[formal bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bath-water-walking-walk-gif-14045829273711285670

[slim belfry]

I think the player has a connection to the land closer than we know

[formal bridge]

the player vibing in three different imortality ponds

[gleaming apex]

What if we're secretly waterproof

[slim belfry]

or that lol

[hybrid gazelle]

this is belivable theory as reference to wynncraft community themselves

[slim belfry]

wynncraft players bathing????

[hybrid gazelle]

if we try to say that player characte did take some immortality water

it would go against the idea of player being self insert

[warped cargo]

I mean we are special in some unspecified way, with us having a mournful emptiness around our soul where there should be something, and that emptiness has some super funky spark.

[hybrid gazelle]

so yeah sure I guess

WE ARE SO SPECIAL!!!!

[formal bridge]

yeah I don't seriously think they'll say we did that lmao, it's just funny that we can

There's definitely something unique about the player but I still see it just as something being done to us, not something we are innately born with

similar to us being orphion's pulse or whatever

We aren't innately special, something else granted us special protections in some regard

The player is mentioned a few times to be weirdly resistant to some stuff as well, like how in Star Thief we are unbothered near the crash site

[warped cargo]

We chugged half the water from the fountain of youth, Lazarus pit, and wellspring of eternity. That's my new headcanon. We rarely drink anything apart from potions, we are probably super thirsty

[slim belfry]

tbh I dont mind about what others say about the player I hope my melody theory is true to an extent

[gleaming apex]

Also I was thinking about how we canonically do have a bunch of potions on us all the time

[hybrid gazelle]

easy

we carry a lot of it

[slim belfry]

bag of potions

[hybrid gazelle]

also to be fair do you really want them to decrease potion cap?

[tepid blade]

I personally believe that our characters powers come internally, not from some outside force

[gleaming apex]

Like apparently that's canon

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it. CANON that we carry potions

but not 30 of them

cause like

that physically impossible

[slim belfry]

the empty cavern is in the player so yeah makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

I cant even hold more than 3 water bottle

I dont think players can handle 30

[tepid blade]

It could be just one giant bottle, or it could be like each 1 is a single sip of a smaller bottle

[hybrid gazelle]

unless players character have big ass waist line that can hold 30 potion

[warped cargo]

We have to have had it since at least realm of light given that anathema said orphion and saphanis overlooked it. And she would know, since the spymaster has been watching what we've been up to for like 85% of the story

[gleaming apex]

I was just saying because I feel like there's a few moments we could've used some potions to at least try to help someone but didn't

[hybrid gazelle]

which then lead to player have dump track ass

which we can go into that route

of palyer having dump truck ass

[formal bridge]

canon booty

[warped cargo]

We can offer to pour one on anathema

[hybrid gazelle]

PLAYER BIG ASS THEORY???

Nowe we know what that bloodlust ability node is ,,,,

[formal bridge]

Considering though that healing potions are just represented as one big potion I assume we're just taking like, sips at a time lmao

[slim belfry]

true

[gleaming apex]

We are actually high AF all the time because we just have a big bottle that we dump all our potions into and they definitely weren't supposed to be mixed

[formal bridge]

our healing potion is a dam petri dish with all the random ones we pour into it from sketchy chests

there's at least 5 new diseases inside that thing

[hybrid gazelle]

okay but now you ahe to consider the fact that

in potion inventory

you can also store scroll

and food

[formal bridge]

blend up our fish dish into the potion

[hybrid gazelle]

in the same space

[gleaming apex]

Yeah we dump those into the bottle too

[formal bridge]

Smoothie

the cooked food is the pulp in our healing potion

[rain saffron]

Best smoothie

[warped cargo]

Mmmm

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft should have give us major id that allow you to drink potion and use empty bottle as weapon

[burnt robin]

flea brew reference

[hybrid gazelle]

me beating up Zhiraok with empty broken potion bottle

[gleaming apex]

New weapon giant bottle

Has crazy hpr stats

[slim belfry]

I do NOT want to mix up the kind of drinks I got

[warped cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-demoman-tf2-pass-the-scrumpy-pass-demo-tf2-gif-21314588

[hybrid gazelle]

outside crackhead knock soverigns out with a bottle

I like the idea that player di dnot even kill Zhiraok

just him with broken bottle and fucking bolt the fuck out

[rain saffron]

yes

[slim belfry]

missing piece bottles

[drifting aurora]

whats your melody theory

[gleaming apex]

Limited edition 2m tall bottle

[hybrid gazelle]

The queen when she found out the player brought missing piece bottles into the battle(she cooked)

[tepid blade]

As a riftwalker, this is canon, beat the shit out of someone with a bottle before sprinting out of there, Time Dilatation goes wild

[slim belfry]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

one second

[hybrid gazelle]

did you know that you can skip Majin boss fight by just outing him stalking 16 years old in his uni year

[drifting aurora]

i think the health potions the player uses are good enough to heal general injuries, but nothing more significant than that

like. your healing potion is not going to heal a mortal wound

[gleaming apex]

New weapon idea: Giant Potion Bottle. Has crazy hpr stats

[drifting aurora]

there probably are potions that are more capable of that sort of healing, but theyre more specialized

and not the sort you use

[warped cargo]

Zhiraok never actually dies, his blessing actually does nothing apart from making him hurt a lot more than normal when he gets back up after being knocked out.

[hybrid gazelle]

that not what I am talking about but okay

[warped cargo]

It was just a funny thought

[hybrid gazelle]

oh nvm I misread

[warped cargo]

Oh, and makes a free magic alarm clock

[gleaming apex]

Ok that clarifies things. I was confused because in game it feels like the potions make us have Deadpool level regen, healing from the brink of death in seconds. Glad to know that's more gameplay mechanics

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah ofc gamepaly mechanic

becuase like

[slim belfry]

I have yet to know what the melody in the emptiness is or why it's there but I wonder if the melody is related to the hero motif
I think it's a puzzle piece to it but idk

[hybrid gazelle]

it will bring up a lot of IMPLICATION if a normal potion can heal your chopped off limbs

[rain saffron]

Ohhh yeah that makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

because like

how would you explain medical industry to exist if that a thing

like if potions can literally heal your fucking cut off arms

like

what the use of hospital

[warped cargo]

Specialized alchemists

[hybrid gazelle]

or the entire medical industry

yeah but like

you would live in a world

where a fatal wound can be hear with a potion it like

it unfcuntional

[tepid blade]

Diseases

[hybrid gazelle]

potion can heal your chopped off wounds but not disease?

like IDK man

I think

[tepid blade]

I mean the potion doesn't cure poison

But yeah, the potion is probably just a game play thing

[hybrid gazelle]

not probably

iT IS

ecause if it like that then

there are strange IMPLICATION

[gleaming apex]

What if we're special because potions work like that only for us

[warped cargo]

Any non injury medical issues. Like any help with any disabilities.

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think that would ee enough for hospital to keep afloat

[tepid blade]

If the potions do exist in canon, then they are much weaker than they are seen in game, like healing small cuts and bruises, but not like broken bones and they are also probably hard to create/expensive

[hybrid gazelle]

like the disabled are minority for a reason, you cant really havei ndustry build on supporting them alone like
you cant expect to get enough funding from that

unless we have like

the disabled made up 80% of the population

I dont think you can keep hospital funded and well budget

[warped cargo]

While around 30% of hospital visits are from injuries, only 17ish% ED visits are from injuries.

[hybrid gazelle]

this is under assumption that this magical water so called potion

can also cure disease

which I think it probably should cause I feel like most disease would target and damage your organ

so like

yeah

[gleaming apex]

New theory: everything sucks because of the absence of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

[warped cargo]

I'd definitely group diseases as poisons.

[hybrid gazelle]

shoutout to pest techican

fuck em

[slim belfry]

yeah poison is just anything bad ingested

[tepid blade]

They got weakened in the newest update, thank god

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah btw

offtopic but I wanna revisit an idea I have

[tepid blade]

what idea?

[drifting aurora]

canon

[gleaming apex]

Hooray

[slim belfry]

what a sad world to live in

[warped cargo]

Physical therapy exists in America despite American healthcare being for profit

[neat oriole]

is this real

[tepid blade]

maybe... yes

[warped cargo]

Is there a second province right under fruma called frupa?

(I am letting too much of my evil inner southerner out for this joke)

[hybrid gazelle]

fuck

I think

I think I lost the sketch

[neat oriole]

maxie im trying to sneak around the mechs but im dummy thicc and the

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly at that point it ust America
IDk how that fucking place exist but it sure do exist

[slim belfry]

it survives

[gleaming apex]

Anyone have predictions for Sui's future character development?

[slim belfry]

she'll probably either get better or worse

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Lexnt will have something evil in store

I donot trust her

[warped cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-gif-26381601

[hybrid gazelle]

for Sui

[neat oriole]

sui gets infected by dern beast and we have to kill her

[hybrid gazelle]

she 100% not getting any better

because she literally ahs no one

[tepid blade]

Who?

[gleaming apex]

Ct

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt

HER

[tepid blade]

she has us 🙂

[hybrid gazelle]

THE HER

[neat oriole]

person who writes story

[hybrid gazelle]

IT ALL STARTED

WITH HER

[tepid blade]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

@drifting aurora YOU

[slim belfry]

lexnt was in this chat not too long ago...

[hybrid gazelle]

IT ALL STARTED

WITH YOU

[tepid blade]

I don't know the dev team that well

[slim belfry]

ok so

[drifting aurora]

👋

[slim belfry]

blue-green color name means CT

there

now you know

[hybrid gazelle]

How lenxt be staring at you while she hovering a character above the pit of eternal torment and suffering

[warped cargo]

Perry the platypus

[formal bridge]

fruma was one of the kinder questlines too

[tepid blade]

Me with any of my characters that exist in every universe I create

[hybrid gazelle]

IT NOT

[formal bridge]

compare it to like, RoL where you learn all about Lari, she has her big character moment, then she gets tossed into the torment dimension

[tepid blade]

It is not even close to the kindest

[formal bridge]

fruma is just better written so it hits harder lmao

[slim belfry]

fruma is like

middle between kindness and not

[neat oriole]

lexnt after killing or maiming multiple characters

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL writers have you invade Lari's privacy and not dwell on it

[gleaming apex]

I could see Sui becoming some sort of punisher type character who spends all her time hunting down and killing everyone she thinks is evil

[formal bridge]

yeah it isn't the cheeriest but it's not oldschool wynncraft's harsh writing style lmao

[tepid blade]

Fair, but Fruma also has openly kills of some characters violently and make the sweetest character super depressed

[formal bridge]

But it at the very least has mercy with some characters lmao, i.e. ||Rex||

old wynncraft would have them all dead

[hybrid gazelle]

I am bored

I should rewrite AJB/AJF

before Lexnt do it

I need to predict the rewrite

[tepid blade]

What was the sketch you where looking for earlier Trashie if you don't mind me asking?

[hybrid gazelle]

Malform Chaos

so basically

the context behind this is uhh

let me get it first

[rain saffron]

You shoulddd ur rewrites are peak

[warped cargo]

Lexnt, please kill off Yulie. He doesn't do anything.

[slim belfry]

LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

this is the intro

[gleaming apex]

I could also see Sui losing it entirely in the future and becoming a battle junkie

[hybrid gazelle]

this is v ery oudated because it pre fruma

it essentially act as ROL"s final boss

it's meant to reveal you that corruption is product of light and dark

I probably will go deeper into that idea in my future rewrite

[slim belfry]

ugh yeah that needs to be introduced proper

[tepid blade]

you kind of predicted that corruption was a direct production instead of the war between dark and light just something that existed in-between the two, which is cool

[slim belfry]

there are existing examples of war being a product of the two

[hybrid gazelle]

the ending of the boss fight would have Lari "stablize" the deivl by purging darkness from it

[slim belfry]

but yeah extremely tiny

[hybrid gazelle]

but today me would geive it more gameplay

[tepid blade]

I know, but they where more hinted at than actually stated like it was in Fruma

[slim belfry]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

knowing Bak'al dont have dakr power

I jsut like

thinking of how to make this work

but i do have a plan

but overall I still want Malform chaos to be final boss of ROL quest

[tepid blade]

I mean Bak'al could have powers of the Dark that we haven't seen yet, because at least I think he didn't join the dark until after being defeated by Bob

[hybrid gazelle]

I want the true nature of corruption to be big lore drop of ROL

we have not seen yet and he so far is not know nto be blessed by Dern Beast

so I dont wanna go off

[tepid blade]

Fair, it just what I believe, but not confirmed or disconfirmed yet

[hybrid gazelle]

one of my issue with ROL is that its lore drop does not really has

a big BOOM reveal

there is no flair

corruption being told to be dakr nad light just

kinda boringly told to us?

it would be so much better if there are build up

I have this description of the scene in my mind

"As the spike emerge, you felt something familar. The hate. The malice. You know it well, you felt it during your time in Wynn province. You know what it is and now you know how it came to be. The blight upon the world. The Corruption. This war must end."

[formal bridge]

dern beast seems like the type to just go "you already got blessed by the war beast so too bad little baby bak'al, I ain't handing out anything"

And yeah the 52 long exposition dump is really awful of a way to reveal what corruption is

esp since it doesn't even have a role in RoL

RoL is all about the decay, which is 100% dark focused

[tepid blade]

I mean, the dark beast could just give it to him just so he could have a more powerful scion, it would give them an advantage in the war

[formal bridge]

which in turn would weaken the beast and give power to bak'al, when he's already proven to ditch the first one to give him power

[tepid blade]

Fair point

[gleaming apex]

Related note, I could totally see Bak'al planning to betray ||Saphanis|| as well

I think he has his own plan

[tepid blade]

That is a common theory I have seen passed around

[formal bridge]

yeah their relationship is basically just who betrays who first lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al likely either going to be quest boss in Dern

or the next villain in future expansion

consider he seems likeh e has further goal beyond realm beasts

[rain saffron]

Yeahhh

[hybrid gazelle]

HEAR ME OUT

[tepid blade]

And I do actually like that theory, because making Bak'al a schemer who waits for the right moment to attack and not just a coward who runs from fair fights would be cool

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion and Saphanis as final raid boss of the story

[formal bridge]

bak'al is the final boss in the raid which releases for the new region for level 300

[hybrid gazelle]

DUO RAID FIGHT

[gleaming apex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WynnCraft/s/IctTA6D4jw this gem on r/wynncraft

[tepid blade]

Bro is seeing into the future

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Orphion and Saphanis duo would work so well

imagine all the mechanic put into it

[split night]

All road lead to Orphion and Saphanis kissing

[hybrid gazelle]

some sequence of the fight have you guide Orphion's attack to weaken Saphanis

[gleaming apex]

Literally smash bros

[hybrid gazelle]

and boss fight change depending on who you "kill" first

yeah

it literally smash bro LOL

buti t fucking awesome idea

[tepid blade]

Well, how would Orphion and Saphanis working together to fight the player happen lore wise, because they seem like they would ignore you and just beat the shit out of each other

[neat oriole]

you arrive you search to what end

[hybrid gazelle]

no it not them fighting together

you caught between their fight

[rain saffron]

That’s so cool omg

[hybrid gazelle]

all of their attack revolve around them attacking each oteh and you caught into cross fire

[split night]

you being a greater threat after they see through what we truly are would unite them and make them kiss

[split night]

yeah htis make more sense

xd

[tepid blade]

That feels personally feels a bit boring, like its not a final boss fight to save the world from destruction, just us worming our way into a fight between them

[hybrid gazelle]

it is SAVE THE WORLD FROM DESTURCTION YES

because if you let either side win by not joinning the fight

the world end

that hte point of why you need to be there

you have to fight them both and take them down all at once

[neat oriole]

can we kill both of them

yayyyyy

[split night]

what are we suppose to do in a situation where 2 gods are fighting each other and we're in the middle of it 😭
is this what Anathema feels?

[hybrid gazelle]

this is the only way for this war to end

[summer bluff]

Bro is actually just lari

[gleaming apex]

More fun ideas from this post.
A new gas emerald currency.
The feathers fly part 5: revenge of the Eldritch Outlook.
Dern beast transition in A Journey Furthest.
Aledar coming back as Aledar cart to help you fight Lari.

[summer bluff]

Also snail set will work trust

[hybrid gazelle]

and the remainning real mbeast would fight you in phase 2

[tepid blade]

Well, yeah both result in the same ending, but being caught the between them feels a bit less exciting than a one on one battle against a god in face of the apocalypse, but that is just my opinion

[hybrid gazelle]

I think you reading it wrong

what i mean is that

okay let me give you context to this idea

[misty horizon]

unironically I could see quests like "A Journey Furthest" or "A Journey End"

[rugged trench]

Could someone explain to me what "Changelings" are?
Like ik theyre shapeshifter creatures who play an important role in the mistwoods story but are they the same creatures that appear in that one lvl 80 quest with the general?

[hybrid gazelle]

so through out Dern storyline, you would try to destroy this source that ||the queen mention Tasim meant to take down||

[misty horizon]

which will imply the end destination

[hybrid gazelle]

weird creature that disguise as people

well not creature

cause they imply to be sapient

but like you know

they dont offically haveh uman right

also yes

[rugged trench]

besides mistwoods, do they appear outside of fruma?

[hybrid gazelle]

they are the same creature as general's order

yep

that the same one

[rugged trench]

what about in silent expanse?
Ik theres like some super duper rare mob in there that can mimic a player

[tepid blade]

I kind of forgot about that quest, LMAO

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that just uhhh

Obessessor

that entirely different creature

obessesor assilimate

not mimicry

obessessor REQUIRE them to get the victim first before using their form

changeling do not

they can observe

[rugged trench]

oooh

[rotund gust]

Yes.

the one from generals orders is an escaped (and presumably untrained) changeling

[split night]

not really
okay let make it simple
Changelings aren't human, they are a kind of animal with the biology of mimic any other thing they see when they first born
Their real form seems to amplied to look like a greenish blob

the thing in SE isn't any thing, it's more a flytrap that lack any thing natural about them xd

[tepid blade]

What were you going to say after this?

[rugged trench]

also
ive completed up to the first part of blossom and blades
Im just curious
Is sohso mentioned / any hints to them existing mentioned?
I heard a long while back he was in fruma?

[split night]

goat damn they should make Tasim come with us, otherwise Tasim would failed at himself twice

[hybrid gazelle]

when you destroy it
sensing this, Orphion would invade Dern just like how Dern invade RoL in ROL questlines

This culcimate into the finale where you rush to Nexus of Dern in order to put stop into this conflict

[tepid blade]

I agree, more Tasim would be cool, give him a bit of redemption and let him do what he wanted to do in the first place, end the war

[hybrid gazelle]

where within the nexus, you wouldfight the two beasts fighting each other

so you DIRECTLY put yourself into the fight

in order to ensure the outcome is favor toward the world

[rotund gust]

they also appear outside of mistwoods. Jiro (i think that’s his name) is implied to be switched out with a changeling, that’s why the queen knew about the attack in echos of change and why he doesn’t remember the incident with zeph and yuman when they attack the guards

[split night]

Player's Character should just ask them to get a room already

[rugged trench]

still curious about this?
yall think he'll appear in the upcoming area of fruma thatll release at a later date?

[rotund gust]

yes

[slim belfry]

yeah

[rotund gust]

there is optional dialogue in fort hegea

[rugged trench]

whats it say?

[rotund gust]

about “project hallowground” which sov. selium was trying to make new changelings, but they were crazy so they brought in sohso to help cause it was similar to meteor madness

[rugged trench]

who is selium>

?

was that like an old soveriegn?

[rotund gust]

auburn sovereign before zhiraok

[rugged trench]

ah

[rotund gust]

they go missing due to project hallowground

and it’s all covered up