📚lore_discussion

[dim plover]

It's full of

uh

plants

[signal bough]

Mooblooms

[brittle prism]

is this real?

[dim plover]

Guys look final boss of Bloomi Province

It's Bloomi: The Crimson One herself

[young sequoia]

nah that old map

[zinc quarry]

in that case how is the player even beating all these godlike beings then

[signal bough]

boltslinger is just that powerful

[brittle prism]

I sure love Texeditl and Xelnt my favorite towns

[young sequoia]

new areas soon™

[dim plover]

This is such a stupid name

It's like someone calling a realm of darkness the Dark Dimension

[signal bough]

Wynn: technological
Gavel: magical
corkus: technological
SE: magical
Fruma: technological
next major update: magical

wonder how far butterfly effect will go

[dim plover]

Wynn is technological?

[signal bough]

a little

[dim plover]

If anything it's even further behind in the past compared to Gavel's stuff

[drifting aurora]

i love when people come up with patterns behind updates

[signal bough]

fine wynn doesn't count since it was wynncraft 1.0

[dim plover]

Seems to be this

According to this random website

[signal bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662775844032348171/1489086771105890322/Video_Project_7.gif

[dim plover]

It's a magical pony flying through the sky

"Shoot it down."

[signal bough]

the queen flies into a terrible rage every craftsmas

when she finds a stocking above the fireplace in her room with a single lump of coal

[dim plover]

The Queen hates Santa because he's the only living being in the world that can just easily get through all of the citadel's defences

Santa doesn't do anything malicious but it infuriates the Queen anyway when she sees presents in the palace lobby for all its inhabitants because it means that Santa just casually breached into the place and left

[brittle prism]

It's a sibling rivalry, santa is the beast of the realm of Craftsmas embodying Peace, he was born during the time when light and dark were chill

[frozen turtle]

Santa is gonna get a new quest in the Wastelands cuz thats where he mines his coal from to give to bad players

[signal bough]

if they ever added santa lore I bet he'd be an old mage

pacifist, presumably

or theres

well okay you're going too far with the realms shit

[dim plover]

Does that mean we have to retcon the current one

I kinda find the Santa coalition thing funny

[signal bough]

cause there's the afterlife which is a separate realm but not a Realm

[frozen turtle]

the colour scheme for War is red & black, Christmas is red & white. white and black are opposites

[signal bough]

and if the festival of the blizzard is linked to craftsmas then its prob the same with craftsmas

[frozen turtle]

coindidence? i think not

[digital swan]

@sleek carbon O Great YY where is Link Rat in this map

[brittle prism]

Twins

Opposite yet the same

[dim plover]

Does that mean that War and Christmas are going to recreate what happened with Light and Dark and create a new Realm out of their conflict

[signal bough]

if Santa was not a pacifist

[digital swan]

red white and black :bartek: Frederick is coming

[brittle prism]

Yes

The realm of

Politician

[frozen turtle]

Realm of Politics which will be blue

[sleek carbon]

Falling under the parkour civilization, you discover the purgatory

[brittle prism]

Or the realm of hybrid warfare

hmm

[frozen turtle]

thats the enemy of politics obviously

[brittle prism]

then again dark and light don't make dawn

[dim plover]

I'm starting to think that Bloomi wasn't actually as prevalent as I thought it was
I can literally only find like two big suggestion posts about it and only one drawn map

[brittle prism]

they make corruption

cause of their war

[dim plover]

Did the rest get deleted over time or something or is Bloomi just tiny in relevance

[brittle prism]

and peace exists

cause uhh

[frozen turtle]

The wynn team wiped most of it because it was leaked content

[signal bough]

Santa: super old mage
christmas council: other mages who subscribe to Craftsmasian philosophy and devote their power to spreading cheer and joy

[digital swan]

ok and then where is hpk, in Hell?

[brittle prism]

at some point they weren't fighting

trust

[frozen turtle]

Bloomi is happening

[digital swan]

Bloomi should be added eventually

[brittle prism]

True

[signal bough]

I hope we get a dark comedy dern

[brittle prism]

He retired from running the realm of peace to work on his workshop

[signal bough]

I'm gonna crash out

[dim plover]

More people should write up fanmade Bloomi content for fun

I want to see it

[frozen turtle]

hear me out, he's like bak'al and was corrupted but instead joined the light instead of dern. cuz yk red and white

[digital swan]

imagine bloomi is the sole democratic province ever

[brittle prism]

What about morgor 😔

[dim plover]

(Btw if you guys find any fanmade Bloomi content forum posts online direct them to me pls)

[brittle prism]

eh

he doesn't seem to be corruption themed

other than the red on his outfit

[signal bough]

what do you think Azael's political leanings are

[frozen turtle]

orphion got him dressed up

[signal bough]

cause Fruma might be democratic now

[frozen turtle]

thats why

[digital swan]

I mean I only write up absolutely insane theories

soooo

[digital swan]

Azazel?

probably aligned with Lucifer

[frozen turtle]

i miss writing theories

[signal bough]

AZAEL

[brittle prism]

Zhiraok is the new King of Fruma !

[signal bough]

leader of the Canopy

did a lil trolling

[digital swan]

Azazel really needs to hide himself better, like seriously? just deleting one letter?

[brittle prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444083697887219804/1474500203007578133/giphy.gif

Santa's powers aren't corruption though

In his quest (singular) I think he can teleport

and conjure snow

which isn't very corruptiony

[frozen turtle]

teleporting, you mean like

[brittle prism]

especially since snow and ice stop corruption

[frozen turtle]

||majin, her majesty ||and im pretty sure bakal also teleports

[frozen turtle]

well yeah he's with orphion now who gave santa the snow and ice

[digital swan]

bakal portals

not teleports

[frozen turtle]

close enough

[brittle prism]

?

Is light power associated with ice?

[frozen turtle]

it can be if you try hard enough

also the lightweaver archetype has freezing sigil & does water damage

[brittle prism]

hmm

In that case why does corruption in general slow when met with ice

Is there something equivalent to ice that dark has?

[frozen turtle]

desert

[signal bough]

corruption has an infernal theme

[frozen turtle]

fire is stopped by cold (light) and no oxygen (dark/void) obviously i figured it out

[signal bough]

oh my god is there an actual seed here

no

light isnt really stopped by dark and dark isnt really stopped by light

[brittle prism]

What if ice is something else

Wait what if ice slows the corruption because it makes the molecules in the corruption underground roots move slower

I figured it out

Huzzah

[frozen turtle]

parasite

tho

[frozen turtle]

what about the desert part

why is corruption slowed by sand

[brittle prism]

is it?

huh

ig so

[signal bough]

I guess the parasite is the ice of dark, but it seems to only be able to drain light

[frozen turtle]

idk if its bc of sand but corruption struggles getting to the desert area & ice area im pretty sure

[restive yacht]

Ig we Will have to see

[signal bough]

they did just add a big spike formation in the desert

[frozen turtle]

damn really

i swear there was lore

[brittle prism]

what if ice energy is peace energy... and that's why santa is the beast of Craftsmas/peace

[signal bough]

I'm going to cast you into corrupted lava

[brittle prism]

since it's peace energy it slows war

it doesn't stop it fully but it slows it

[frozen turtle]

i swear there was some lore reason about the corruption unable to spread to the desert

maybe im tripping

[brittle prism]

how far into the desert is the spikes?

[signal bough]

I think it was just isolated

[brittle prism]

all the more evidence for secret 4th realm of peace

[signal bough]

here's the three big points

[brittle prism]

ah

[signal bough]

Rymek has a lot of incursion points

[frozen turtle]

so 2/3 are on the sides which makes snese

i dont remember there being that middle one tho

[signal bough]

has some nether wart so def corrupted

[digital swan]

it's really obvious when you think about it

[gloomy idol]

i thought it was just cause almuj was gated for centuries

[dim plover]

Why is light cold

Shouldn't light be really warm

And burning

[dim plover]

That's a world event

[frozen turtle]

i was joking

[signal bough]

yeah but it's always present

[brittle prism]

See

[rustic nexus]

do we ever learn why corruption has issues crossing the sea

[brittle prism]

Ice would be representative of something opposite of infernal corruption

[brittle prism]

water is melted ice.

[digital swan]

think about this:
Western Wynn is mostly under autocratic rule from various kings and has quite a bit of corruption
Gavel is democratic and has no corruption
and Fruma is super monarchical and is ruled by corruption

Almuj is a flawed democracy, yes, but the power of any democracy still slows corruption even if only by a little

[rustic nexus]

yeah but it's room temperature

or a bit below

it's not freezing cold

[frozen turtle]

corruption is a weird thing that hasnt been explained that well

[rustic nexus]

yea

[digital swan]

and the sea is under the democratic rule of selchar
yet again, democracy protects

[rustic nexus]

given You Know What, I wouldn't be surprised if they go back to explain it better some time soon

[frozen turtle]

at least its physical aspect

[brittle prism]

Doesn't need to be freezing to stop corruption i guess?

[signal bough]

the sea has the pyrates' republick and corkus too

[digital swan]

and in fact I suggest that Bloomi be added as the Realm of Democracy

which will be invaluable in our campaign to crush the Realm of War

[frozen turtle]

i hope they take time to revisit old lore then keep pushing forward on the story with dern and such

we need an ocean revamp

[rustic nexus]

where would you put bloomi and its entrance on the map, actually

[brittle prism]

Why don't we have 1 extremely endgame island next to selchar

Like level 130

[digital swan]

wherever is the most democratic

[rustic nexus]

oh yeah the rest if the game HAS to play a bit if catch-up

[digital swan]

so probably somewhere in the ocean

[brittle prism]

Call it Dalste

[brittle prism]

I would put it on the mountains in between fruma entrance and gavel

[rustic nexus]

hey guys, did you know that
salted backwards is-
s sal s salte s-

[brittle prism]

Near corkus

[rustic nexus]

yeah but then that's such an awkward placement

and also I think there's dungeons and other stuff offmap there

[frozen turtle]

next you're gonna tell me ragni is like anagram of some youtubers name

[uneven basin]

Almuj is the most institutionally corrupt place in all of wynn

[signal bough]

you ever checked?

[digital swan]

it's a uh
very
flawed democracy

the Bloomi portal sure won't be over there!

[rustic nexus]

you can literally hear the undergrowth ruins music on the mountains of fruma 😭

[signal bough]

I have written down:
Castaway mercenaries
goblin princessdom

oh

[frozen turtle]

also coordinates exist

[brittle prism]

make bloomi communist and make the capital of bloomi Nilats

[digital swan]

Corkus isn't democratic enough either, since the Avos have little to no say

[digital swan]

but then we'd spend too much time in bread lines

[brittle prism]

Aren't they treated more like a foreign nation

[signal bough]

the player doesn't need to eat smh

[digital swan]

still. racism is undemocratic

I think it should be on Mage Island

[brittle prism]

I think Bloomi should be in the void

[digital swan]

the void is extremely undemocratic
just look at the life forms inhabiting it
do you think any of them are capable of democracy?

[uneven basin]

The void villagers seem pretty democracy-able

[brittle prism]

isn't the void village some sort of commune or democracy

since they don't have a king or anything

[digital swan]

they aren't the dominant lifeforms

[brittle prism]

the mountains from gavel (jofash) to Wynn are pretty bare

Put bloomi there

[uneven basin]

Well what do you know about the void stalkers' need for democracy maybe they don't want to talk to you

[digital swan]

I think Ocean is the best

or Ocean Edges

[brittle prism]

isnt that the ocean edges

the

[digital swan]

yeag

[signal bough]

well first of all you have Regular Island

[digital swan]

immediate violent response to a non-threatening unfamiliar species? sounds like racism
very undemocratic

[uneven basin]

Are we non threatening for barging into their homes and looting their shit

[signal bough]

yeah there's only two or three places on the eastern ocean edge that look worthy of checking out and iirc one is an empty camp

[uneven basin]

These mountain kinda only have regular island and the mushroom camp

[brittle prism]

Also gavel coast had like nothing on it except for jofash light peninsula and llevigar

[digital swan]

I always went over their caves on the tops of the void mountains

[brittle prism]

And maro peaks terrain ig?

[signal bough]

what could this be?

[uneven basin]

House on the beach looks avo to me

[signal bough]

little far from corkus here

[uneven basin]

Okay LARI

[brittle prism]

Make bloomi 100% coastline

[digital swan]

traversing through the caves would be awful expansionist behaviour! entering the sovereign territory of another nation in such a violent manner?

[brittle prism]

Put it on the gavel coasts

[uneven basin]

Bloomi is the coastlines we made along the way

[signal bough]

I think that each coast has one self-sufficient goblin nation

[brittle prism]

Wynn should colonize the fruman coasts

To launch an invasion of corkus

[slim belfry]

a retired buccaneer's home
I visited that place

[brittle prism]

They can then annex fruma and unite humankind

[digital swan]

before Fruma released, I was in favor of a combined wynn-corkian amphibious assault on the Fruman beaches

because the gate looked shittily defended

[brittle prism]

Well they can airdrop into eltom

[brittle prism]

😔

fort torann jumpscare

[drifting aurora]

it is tiny in relevance

[digital swan]

why do they have so many unmanned cannons on top of the gate pointing down at their own soldiers.

[brittle prism]

||then again we did just wipe it out singlehandedly and legally we're a ragni soldier||

What does the ragni king think of us liberating fruma smh

[digital swan]

rage

[brittle prism]

Go on, I've said everything I have to say- King of Ragni

[uneven basin]

In case someone like us show up so they can keep unmaning them while we're in their line of sight and busy killing everyone

[uneven basin]

Epilogue patch is gonna make him go "you WHAT"

[dim plover]

Sadge
I decided to go read up about Bloomi to learn more about it and was kinda disappointed at how little history there is

[signal bough]

he sees the first live test of a gatling gun against an innocent pigman and then reconsiders

[digital swan]

I was hoping when it first released that we would like be able to use the cannons against the bridge and door at the start and blow our way into Fruma

[dim plover]

I swear to god there was more than 1 fanmade map of Bloomi

Does anyone remember more lol

Because I vaguely remember like a second one

[drifting aurora]

purple you have to understand

bloomi's origins are a one-off offhand mention by grian during a corkus reveal livestream as an example of what not to do, suggesting random joke provinces just because corkus got added

[brittle prism]

Morgor?!

[dim plover]

Yeah I know how Bloomi was conceived

[drifting aurora]

that too

[digital swan]

bloomi's all in your head purple you're going crazy

[dim plover]

I'm more talking about what the community did with it

As like a meme

[brittle prism]

Bloomi is populated by

Humans

and villagers

[digital swan]

in a perfect democracy

[brittle prism]

and there's a big red spot in the middle of it that has a Portal inside

[digital swan]

that's jupiter idiot

[brittle prism]

jupiter

Why do you think it's called craftsmas in lore

[digital swan]

day before crafting

[brittle prism]

crafting of what

[digital swan]

just crafting

generally

[uneven basin]

What was the queen's plan for the decay if we didn't show up ?

[digital swan]

nuclear bombs

we see some over corkus

what if Fruma is nuclear armed?

[uneven basin]

It technically is since anathema has that attack

Also meteors

[signal bough]

damn that actually has the potential to be really bad

right into the fertile gylia plains and into the gert homelands

a starving Cinfras, and the Gerts breaking free in search for food

[feral lynx]

i wonder why king o' ragni is a villager...

[dim plover]

Adopted he told us himself

[feral lynx]

oh well

[neat oriole]

wait how do you know what stuff to name folders to change the model of that

[digital swan]

it's because there's a secret global villager conspiracy

[uneven basin]

Wynnexcavation site E is in ragni

[signal bough]

ughhh I just need to do a little more scouting in Rymek and then I can be finished with the (non-SE) wynn part of my political map

[digital swan]

hints: rymek
lumber jacks
jimmy
tribes
uncivilized wasteland
jimmy II
these are all the political entities

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-ytpmv-rap-battle-squid-game-squid-game-vs-mrbeast-gif-25491394

Didn't know jimmy built 200 wells in the mesa

[signal bough]

unsure where the western staircase down into the canyons connects to and I found a decently sized encampment of tribal exiles

[dim plover]

I don’t

[neat oriole]

o

[dim plover]

I just found the original texture and then replaced it

[neat oriole]

how find

[dim plover]

I just

Find it, I guess?

I go into the resource pack until I see the texture that is the anathema moab

[neat oriole]

ic

do i grab resource pack off of wynntils or something

[dim plover]

Like what answer were you expecting lol

Oh

Uh there’s probably some resource pack extraction mod out there

[neat oriole]

ah

[dim plover]

Just grab one and you’ll be set

[mossy badge]

W_6767

[neat oriole]

alr ty

[mossy badge]

U aint finding it among those

Blud looks through all the thousand textures 😭 🙏

[dim plover]

.

[mossy badge]

How much time did it take u

[dim plover]

I know how the moab looks like lol it wasn’t that difficult to find

[mossy badge]

But there are thousands of file aint there

[dim plover]

Idk but I just scrolled through the folder until I see a color I recognize

[dim plover]

Yeah but they’re not all the same color

[mossy badge]

There are surely a lot of red colors

[dim plover]

Like, if it’s the Queen or something I’m going to recognize an image whose colors vaguely match the Queen

The moab has the Corruption symbol so that one was pretty ok

Not my first time I’ve went through the pack to find a specific texture

[mossy badge]

Crazy

3k textures

Where is this graffiti 😭 🙏

[uneven basin]

So if I understand correctly || orphion asked the elves to cut down the forest guardian so he could get a foot back in the physical plane ? ||

From the || their connections are weak anathema dialogue ||

[hybrid gazelle]

prtty sure yeah

[uneven basin]

That... Makes aldorei's secret 2 a bit better

The idea that || corruption is his fault instead of random elves on the other side of the sea || is pretty cool

Still feel like we need more orphion red flags

[hybrid gazelle]

||yeah but the problem is that you have to go through like 50+ levels until you realize Orphion might not be a dumbass||

I think that a good recontextualization

and it give more red flag to the light

but at the same time I still have a problem to like

why is this guardian tree stablize the two plane?

like is it the bind?

[mossy badge]

Thats what im also wondering

[hybrid gazelle]

and I feel like there should be better way to show it

because the thing is that

throughout this entire time

it feel like Orphion is a fucking dumbass LOL

[uneven basin]

Probably? We don't know how the olm opened their portal

[mossy badge]

Wdym

Isn't the 2nd dern opening cuz light also opened

Or u mean the 1st?

[uneven basin]

I mean like maybe there's a darkness analogue to || cutting down the tree ||

[mossy badge]

At the same time?

[uneven basin]

Probably not but saphanis had to get a foot in somehow

I dunno I haven't thought about this very much

[mossy badge]

Well its been said that it was through the help of greg

[uneven basin]

Oh I see

Do we have an estimate for when the olm disappeared ?

[mossy badge]

From the silent expanse? Idk prolly around 1400 BP

[mystic fulcrum]

There's no way orphion can ask the elves to cut down the forest guardian to open the portal, How is it even possible to happen without the portal open?

[hybrid gazelle]

well maybe the connection is weak mean Orphion only whisper to the elder

and by cutting the tree, it allow stronger connection to the world

[frozen turtle]

In the quest it was that the elder had visions, probably from Orphion

also in the quest ||the guardian of the forest has some sort of connection to the light which the elves already knew about, so they knew about it||

[uneven basin]

Shaterred minds tells us the elves have ways to commune without portals

[covert roost]

orphion is a fraud bro was born one of the most powerful things in the universe and gets fraud checked every day

[winged narwhal]

Orphion’s machinations are merely beyond our mortal ken

[coarse elk]

i'm pretty sure yes

[hybrid gazelle]

Fuck wrong chat

[split night]

hey guys
do you think what was shown on the trailer was an alternative timeline or we got scammed

[exotic bough]

Red herring

[mystic fulcrum]

So annie is a humanoid figure?

[full harness]

I like to think it’s what would happen if we were chosen instead

[hybrid gazelle]

||yes||

[restive yacht]

Fruma 2

U can see aledar alr got the blessing here

My theory is, we getting more quests fixing up the province after

[primal anchor]

this could be from unfinished truth route

[restive yacht]

It may also have nothing to do with it, afaik they already mentioned that alternative route on beta shouldn’t have been hyped too much

[hybrid gazelle]

no CT comfirm that the unfinish truth is just dialogue change lOL

it not gonna be stroy changing route

[restive yacht]

Ngl they didn't say that, did they? They said it was meant to be a dialogue change

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure it just dialogue change

I dont think they will go as far as making entirely different routes with different story and gameplay

consider the route we have is the intended play

[restive yacht]

I mean, they did take more time on it, they didn't release it cause they could'nt make it in release

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know if they taking more time to do the epilogue that still missing in the game

[restive yacht]

That i agree

[hybrid gazelle]

or the alt route

consider it seems like they planned to be just dialogue change

I dont think they will scope creep to make its own story

[restive yacht]

Yea

[hybrid gazelle]

because that wil be a nightmare

consider again

[restive yacht]

I mean, i'd still like to || save Rex's arm ngl ||

[hybrid gazelle]

the current route we have rn

is the intended route

The alt route suppose to be an easter egg

[restive yacht]

was supposed *

[hybrid gazelle]

yes it was suppose to

[restive yacht]

Tbf we also could get nothing

Atp

[hybrid gazelle]

It was suppose to that why they put so much check

behidn the route

but they probably did not expect the players to go ahead and tell the truth to Tasim right a head LOL

so more people see it the alt route instead of the
super secrect route that it was suppose to be

[restive yacht]

Who doesn't spam any possible option until dialogue repeats tho

We all do

[hybrid gazelle]

all the dialogue check is not spamable

so no

[restive yacht]

Ig they've never given us loopable dialogue either

[hybrid gazelle]

so I would not expect much from the alt route

the team already ahve too much work with the main story

||consider how there still stuff missing in the final release||

[restive yacht]

Clock mistery is still unsolved

[hybrid gazelle]

not talk about clock mistery

mystery

just fruma in general

[restive yacht]

Epilogue

[shut hornet]

it was supposed to be symbolic of tasims choices

the way he sort of is on both sides

the choice between helping the player and opposing fruma, or joining the crown

[vague laurel]

Who wrote the missing piece

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

And are they a violet evergarden fan

[rancid valley]

is it just me or highlands is weirdly a bad mix of different cultural references, mexican, indian and japanese?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[rancid valley]

like, the tacos model seems based on the nonmexican tacos, the ones you would find at tacobell or american tacos

[split night]

I always thought of Tasim as kind of similar to the player's Character
It's pretty neat to know that given the right circumstances, the roles between us could be reversed

[full harness]

Tasim’s better, we are trash

[rancid valley]

idk seems like the mix is not implemented as good as i would think, at least from the mexican inspiration

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma is lean toward asia region

actualyl wait

yeah it is

[rancid valley]

mexico is not even close

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont see where you get the mexico part from

[shut hornet]

yeah mexico is in oceania

[hybrid gazelle]

is it just taco?/

[shut hornet]

what gives

[split night]

I'm an asian and I'd say that Fruma feel very asia

[rancid valley]

fish tacos, and cuisine, also some things ingame

[rancid valley]

yeah, overall fruma feels very asia, but like that gastronomy inspo seems out of place

in that case

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK where the taco from but like it just one small part of the gmae so I dont really mind it

[split night]

It's like the woc and cow thing

[rancid valley]

yeah i know, but i got to overture of despair and asked tacos bc it seems weird

[summer bluff]

It was a whole ass fish in the beta

[split night]

a fish named taco

[rancid valley]

i feel like is gringos jokes? idk feels like when gringos says "pizza margarita" to an italian and think is funny (happened to a friend)

[summer bluff]

If there are mexican influences then I would have liked them to be a lot more prevalent tbh

[rancid valley]

yeah, like it feels out of place

[summer bluff]

Like I can sorta see it in the architecture but not really

[rancid valley]

dernel jungle fits better in terms of mesoamerica, but like thats just a part of mexico (and central america)

Some places like Selva lacandona (lacandona jungle) are just like dernel in terms of ecology

aridoamerica doesn't fit anywere

[summer bluff]

Azael kinda looks like every single old navajo guy I've ever met so there is that
Kinda off topic tho

[winged narwhal]

i think they just wanted to do tacos

[shut hornet]

asia is not intended to have mexican influence as far as i know

[rancid valley]

yeah, like also that seems weird considering that almuj exist and it has also asian references

[winged narwhal]

and didn't really think about the implications

[rancid valley]

some parts of asia have a lot, for example philipines

[shut hornet]

thats spanish influence

[rancid valley]

also mexican influence

we exchanged so many stuff, dishes included

[winged narwhal]

I mean, Almuj is based on a pretty different part of Asia than Fruma is

[shut hornet]

canonically the fish tacos are supposed to be this

its a meme

[summer bluff]

Rymek is cowboy central and I kinda want that expounded on more

[rancid valley]

almuj could be easily aridoamerica, especially considering that rymek is close in terms of references

[edgy loom]

I'm still disappointed in fruma because there was no place, japan

[summer bluff]

This is like "they're putting stuff in the water to make the frogs big" all over again

[hasty beacon]

As someone who doesnt like fish the thought of eating this makes my want to kill myself

[whole river]

First they’d have to make rymek worth visiting instead of galloping to neesak and gavel like the majority of players nowadays seem to do

[summer bluff]

I'll take Mongolian influences over that everday

[rancid valley]

almuj feels out of place honestly, dernel could be somehow justified but like almuj is too far

selchar feels like the caribean

[hasty beacon]

Theres cherry blossoms in highlands

[winged narwhal]

Wynn was not really designed with realistic cultural spread in mind

[rancid valley]

yeah, also some references

[rancid valley]

yes, i can see, but like, some references are so dispersed that feels weird

[summer bluff]

Actually yeah why are we talking about this not everything has to be about the irl

Japan doesn't exist in wynncraft

[rancid valley]

in most games that has lore related to something like a culture is usually tied with much more uniformity

[whole river]

Guys loose regional influences don’t mean they have to match the geographical area exactly as earth

[hybrid gazelle]

we know that Fruma is asian inspired by just looking at Zhiraok story alone

[rancid valley]

my point was that something mexican felt out of place where the province is supposed to have mostly asian references

[summer bluff]

Orphions crew is pulling up

[hybrid gazelle]

Samsam already point otu that the fish taco suppose to be a meme reference

[winged narwhal]

Almuj and Rymek are like that because its essentially a pastiche of all the traditional desert tropes

[hybrid gazelle]

it not meant to be geniune nod to Mexico

[rancid valley]

i feel like old wynn era was a disaster in terms of map distribution

the best example is river system

is like, horrible

is not a big deal, but it feels so weird to look at the map

[whole river]

I more meant people calling almuj weird

[summer bluff]

The rymekian people are gonna be thirsting for blood after seeing fruman fish tacos

[rancid valley]

it feels out of place in terms of culture, because it lacks connection to the whole province

it feels like another province

[winged narwhal]

I mean, Almuj has its own history and such

It wasn’t a Fruman colony

[whole river]

I disagree tbh but I’ll explain it later

[rancid valley]

it was

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Almuj suppose to be saracen

consider how Wynn suppose to be medival theme

[winged narwhal]

Almuj is vaguely Medieval Arab but also vaguely Egyptian

[shut hornet]

that is an interesting term to use

i dont think its racist but its certainly archaic

[hybrid gazelle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saracen

oh

I did not aware it was racist term

[shut hornet]

i dont think it is

[hybrid gazelle]

I though it just how they were called in medival europe

[whole river]

It’s racist in a funny way

Cuz like who says that

😭

[winged narwhal]

And then Rymek/the canyon is an aridomerica cowboys v Indians setup

[shut hornet]

it is what arabs were referred to in medieval europe

[rancid valley]

yeah, is kinda weird

[shut hornet]

but its not a term thats been used for at least 200 years

[rancid valley]

like the desert and mesa deservse some tweaks

[summer bluff]

Damn they have those fits on tho

[whole river]

It’s like when I was called a slur that hasn’t seen use since 1800s from one of my customers and I was just more confused than offended

[winged narwhal]

as an aside, the distribution of guns in Wynn is interesting

[summer bluff]

Fruma circa 100 ap typa shit

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I think

the gun distribution in Wynn look godd

cause back then they thouhg

Medival = no guns

which is not the case

[rancid valley]

guns existed in medieval era tho

[hybrid gazelle]

itis

but REMEMBER

back then wynncraft was like

a non serious dev team

[winged narwhal]

No, like where has them and where doesn't have them

[hybrid gazelle]

that done 0 research and just want to make a game

so most of the thing you see in Wynn are mostly the product of those time

[rancid valley]

yeah, wynn province should have some tweaks in geografical formations, i love what they did to MT wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

where wynncraft is not take that seriously

[summer bluff]

People use bows and arrows bc they're more magically alterable then guns and bullets

[hybrid gazelle]

world buildiong like Fruma scale is not even close to what they think when they first work on Wynncraft

[rancid valley]

nesaak could be the place where water comes and gets to all wynn, considering that is full of magic

[hybrid gazelle]

story during those time is just a context to give reason to the gameplay

[twin perch]

generate bullets through magic or smth

could be elemental too

[rancid valley]

and river system could be tweaked according to that

[hybrid gazelle]

I like to think that guns just more easier to use compare to magic

becuase rmeember you need education to use magic

and probably trainning and stuff

compare to guns that probably take less time

[twin perch]

or/and talent

[rancid valley]

also not everyone is good with guns, they have their specifications

[summer bluff]

It will never be as good as "I'll simply just put as many Arrows on my bow as possible and still hit every target perfectly" rex

[rancid valley]

some cultures have more experience with them too

and more history with certain types of guns

[winged narwhal]

Guns at a roughly early twentieth century level are prevalent in Fruma, the Creden Tibus have Wild West style guns, and Corkus has pretty much modern guns. Cannons are relatively common everywhere, though.

[twin perch]

that girl is just a beast with a bow

[hybrid gazelle]

Guns still probably have space in Wynn but yeah

also like

[twin perch]

she could be blindfolded and hit a moving target

[hybrid gazelle]

it WAYYY easier to deal with undead with a gun that undead that use magic

like I will be real

[vagrant imp]

I just really have to leave this here.
The writing in Fruma is genuinely incredible and leaves me wanting more. It’s such a huge step up from a game that has Realm Of Light.

I feel so invested in each and every character, good or bad or even the side quests.
Like omg

[rancid valley]

also require materials that cannot be obtained everywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

at least for undead with a gun, it probably dont know how to reload or very clumsy with its reload

[twin perch]

magic is just more universal than guns

[rancid valley]

magic is around the whole wynn province

[summer bluff]

Thoughts on gikyo?

[twin perch]

you can use magic in a lot of different ways in combat

[rancid valley]

like is easier to interact and get close to magic

[hybrid gazelle]

It probably expensive but yeah

[whole river]

I actually am surprised Wynn doesn’t have too many guns but perhaps Fruma nor Gavel want them to have a lot

[twin perch]

and guns just shoot stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

byut it far more easier to replenish gunners than magic users

[twin perch]

maybe with elementally infused bullets at most

[twin perch]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

because we also need to remember WYnn probince is a palce where battle often occur

so logistic must take into the factor

[winged narwhal]

there's probably a supply chain argument against gun proliferation

[twin perch]

but it's easier to get rid of gunners than mages too

[rancid valley]

fruma has guns but mostly because magic is a taboo for most ppl

and gavel has a lot of magic, the villagers are the ones using guns because they usually lack magical affinity

[vagrant imp]

I love them, they were really fun to be around and (spoilers ahead) ||Deserved to die a slow and grueling death as their body froze from the inside||. Learning about each and every piece of them was so nice :D

[summer bluff]

It's not that they lack it, it's that they don't care to learn it

[winged narwhal]

maybe only the Mesa and Corkus and Fruma have sulfur deposits or something

[winged narwhal]

when do villagers use gun guns in gavel again?

[rancid valley]

they lack affinity, even if OoTG is fanservice, is explained

[twin perch]

would explain why some bandits in rymek use guns

[rancid valley]

CRabs lore

is explained in some quests too

[twin perch]

what were the affinity tiers?

dwarves were at the bottom right?

[split night]

Idk why but this make me imagine us using a gun to save Orphion
like you just go in there and started blasting god

[winged narwhal]

i genuinely do not remember villagers using non-cannon guns

[rancid valley]

Orcs Et Al., Dwarves, Humans, Villagers, Doguns, and Elves.

[winged narwhal]

maybe its just been ages since i did Gavel

[rancid valley]

but like humans from fruma are different than others

[twin perch]

ah

[split night]

I don't even think they have the kind of gun that isn't a cannot

[twin perch]

i just wanted to say how wierd it was

cause humans seemed more magical than villagers

but if we base it on fruma that is

[rancid valley]

humans like the ones on eltom probably

also olms could probably be located between doguns and elves or higher than elves

[split night]

It's bullcrap lore but explained in the magic university that the villager is just really lazy and never study their magic apart from individual like Captain Ragon

[twin perch]

i seee

[split night]

I think you can count on your fingers the number of villagers that we can see use magic in game

[rancid valley]

also villagers are kinda racist towards other species, especially magical ones

so it make sense that in their culture they don't like magic as much

[split night]

They actually just hate anyone that look different from them
ex. the witch from Maltic or the girl who hate us because we are human

[rancid valley]

gavel is just the definition of the racist segregation

[twin perch]

yea, like tfym humans are banned from making settlements

[vagrant imp]

How do we beat the dark parasite possessing the god of Light?
Easy!
glock

[twin perch]

what about the villagers making settlements in wynn, double standards much?

[winged narwhal]

cannons are much easier than guns

[split night]

ain't no bug survive these glocks

[hasty beacon]

Send their asses back to the trading hall

[rancid valley]

nah bro, they are investing in emerald economy

[split night]

yeah I find that weird too, they are pretty ass with their whole identity as a species revolve around hating other species 😭

[winged narwhal]

a useful cannon requires a lot less skill to make than a ruthless gun

[split night]

except my goat Seaskipper Captain though, he's great

[winged narwhal]

you're forgetting the greed

[split night]

yeah they are pretty greedy too, as seen in like a lot of quests involving war between them and other species

they didn't have the chance to genocide the orc but if they do, it would look like the doguns and dwarfs

[rancid valley]

i love him so much, also the villager that married a human

[split night]

yeah they are carrying their entire species's reputation on their back

[rancid valley]

like most villagers we know are kinda...

insane

[twin perch]

opinions on king of ragni?

[winged narwhal]

he's chill

[split night]

goated

[twin perch]

he recognized us as a hero of wynn, and let us go to the fruma gate without any opposing

[formal bridge]

Villagers kinda suffer from being heavily involved in the side quests early game and heavily mid game, both of which don't have... the most nuanced writing ever lmao

So they're relegated to being the bumbling douches you see in jokey quests across many an MMO

[split night]

It's funny to me that a lot of the villagers we met in the early games are good people, it's probably because they spend their time in wynn a lot or have been born here

the Gavel Villagers on the other hand

[twin perch]

fuck the guy who we had to escort in the canyon of the lost

[split night]

Yeah he's an ass 😭

[twin perch]

so damn whiny

be grateful you didnt suffer from monsters

[split night]

he even lied about us not helping him at the end of the quest

just a douchebag to the very end 😭

[formal bridge]

Whenever there's a gavel rereborn update I hope they add the much needed nuance to the villagers

[split night]

yeah
rn most of them are pretty one dimensional apart from a few great people

[formal bridge]

Ragni King is a fascinating character that sadly gets so little. Hopefully in a revamped wynnex he can be explored

An adopted villager who became king of Ragni, which seems the most steady political force in wynn

[split night]

He's a good king that care about his people, I love that he give us the title Hero of Wynn as one of the very last quest in wynn you do, it's really good

If we ever get Wynnex rework

I want Aledar to be here so it can make us feel more attached to him and make it feel like we're actual close friends

SE and Fruma moments lack a bit of impact because we just don't see Aledar and Tasim again throughout midgame and near lategame

[random hedge]

I hate SE

Quests sucked

[split night]

It feel rushed when I play through it

[hasty beacon]

Only point of no return was bad imo and that was because the puzzles were bullshit

[random hedge]

|| All our friends die. We lose connection with our soul then have to leave heaven. We commit terrorism on wynn ||

[split night]

Glad that we are still with player's Character's soul and the terrorism was just visions

I don't like murdering Tasim and Aledar for the sake of a quest

[random hedge]

Same. His ending was so sad. The dungeon was insanely difficult like 1B health wat

[mossy badge]

Skill issue 🤯

https://tenor.com/view/wynncraft-wynn-the-number-one-minecraft-mmorpg-the-number-1-minecraft-mmorpg-gif-17756759373806065178

[split night]

It wasn't that difficult
i just hate the annoying parkour

huah

[dusky prairie]

Wish I could lowk just kill them

[whole river]

Huh

Why can I make a thread first of all 😭

[split night]

moment like this just make me question why the player's Character have the murderous tendencies to kill threats but never the evil ones

[dusky prairie]

What exactly are the “evil ones”

[whole river]

Whatchu mean

I feel like we’ve killed 9/10 of the super villains

[split night]

the guy who control hundred of bandits soul on top of a mount in the Canyon of the Lost

[dusky prairie]

Dunno who that is

[split night]

yeah he's pretty forgettable

he exist in like, one quest and done

[mossy badge]

Freedom of speech

[whole river]

I mean wasn’t the situation that he dropped the soul of the guy we were saving

And we prioritized grabbing that

[split night]

yeah the quest detail is weird, i couldn't get back up here and save everyone by killing him?
he seem like a genuine threat if left unattended

[dusky prairie]

Probably because we can’t attack them

[split night]

why not?

[whole river]

I assumed that after we stopped him he got arrested

[dusky prairie]

Because it’s an npc and not an enemy?

[split night]

fanon ending

[split night]

???
I'm talking as in Lore, why are you discussing in meta?

[whole river]

He doesn’t come back so he got taken care of in some way

[dusky prairie]

Idk

[split night]

Gavel Quest just randomly appear and never give a satisfying answer

[dusky prairie]

Isn’t that like most of the quests?

[split night]

There's a theme in Wynn and Fruma where sidequest connect up or at least give background lore or conclude better
Gavel's sidequest is just not doing that

[whole river]

Sometimes I kinda like that

[dusky prairie]

I mean most of the gavel quests my bad

[whole river]

Like the player can’t be everywhere and he eventually moves on

[tepid blade]

Well, Gavel has a bigger problem with that than most quest, because at times is they feel like they could be more important than they actually are (the Air Temple quest is a big one) or have the ability for a follow up quest that never gets met, which makes it unsatisfying

[winged narwhal]

there's a decent bit of random powerful bullshit in Gavel

that never gets followed up on

[tepid blade]

which is?

[dusky prairie]

Which one

[split night]

we played through the game right?

why are we even asking which one now xd

[dusky prairie]

Which one you referring to?

[split night]

most of them?

[dusky prairie]

The canyon guides or beyond the grave

I mean the ones In the air temple

[split night]

i mean i can think of an example like the soul quest from above

[tepid blade]

The one with death that makes respawning canon, I have talked about this a few days ago, but it feels like it should be important, I mean your character dies for goodness sakes, which should be saved for a more important moment in the story if they are going to that, you dying should be a big moment

[dusky prairie]

Fair enough

[winged narwhal]

beyond the grave, aforementioned soul guy, lowkey qira

[dusky prairie]

It feels kinda lackluster

[split night]

No one in this community even accept it as canon as well xd
For me my interpretation is that player's Character ( or at least my Character ) have foresight and everytime we die, that's the vision of a future we lost

[tepid blade]

fair

[winged narwhal]

the cowfusion cows, until recently General's orders

[dusky prairie]

We have plot armor

[split night]

Qira having no lore relevancy yet being bullcrap powerful

[winged narwhal]

hang on am i just listing COTL quests

[whole river]

I’ve heard they’re gonna revisit that quest anyways

[split night]

or a familiar Spark within us

[whole river]

Why does qira need a follow up?

[tepid blade]

good, it kinda needs revisting

[dusky prairie]

We are way to strong to TRULY die

[split night]

Qira need a little bit more relevancy is what he meant I think

She just exist and is a slave owner

[whole river]

I feel like that would kinda ruin the mystery they seem to have intended for her

Not everything needs a follow up

[tepid blade]

Like I said, it should be big moment in the story if we die, and how we get revived should make more sense rather than a cop-out, make what ever is in us revive us, or have Lari revive us with her magic she used on the Grootworm

[dusky prairie]

As if lari is still with us

Speaking of

Where did she actually go

[whole river]

She’ll come back in Dern don’t worry gang

[split night]

Realm of Dark

Which we don't know how that look like yet

[dusky prairie]

How could she possibly be alive in there

[whole river]

She’s a scion of Orphion and her only foe this far is bakal

Who’s a theorick victim

[split night]

We survived SE
I doubt she would die in here, the rule of writting is that you never kill an important character off screen

[tepid blade]

Dern, she followed Bak'al into a portal to Dern, and from what I interpret about any dialogue after that moment, she is likely still alive, as killing a seemingly important character of screen (AKA Fridging) would just feel bad

[whole river]

I imagine we’ll probably meet her and Bob there

[dusky prairie]

How is she not dying to the creatures there if she refuses to kill them

[tepid blade]

also you never know, the Dern beast could find some use for her alive, such as a way to experiment on the light

[split night]

Realm of Dark raid with bob, Lari and us is just cinema

[whole river]

Genuinely

We need a fourth for the canon raid number

[tepid blade]

how did she survive before? pacifying them and avoiding danger

[whole river]

Did you play ROL?

[split night]

You play the game sleeping??
after RoL 4 she learnt that sometime killing is necessary
She literally said that she found bak'al deserve to die and intending on killing him

[dusky prairie]

No I didn’t

[tepid blade]

oh

[split night]

???

[whole river]

Brother 😭

[tepid blade]

bruh

[split night]

Why are you even talking in here, ROL is quite literally one of the very important questline in the game
Did you even do the NoL raid? xd

[whole river]

You missed her first actual fight where she’s putting hands on bakal

[dusky prairie]

I don’t play raids

[tepid blade]

Like, you NEED to do RoL to get into Fruma, it important for like every other story questline in the game

[dusky prairie]

Oh I thought you meant the raid my bad lol

[tepid blade]

oh, few

[whole river]

Even though it was an “even” fight for most of it, it’s kinda funny that Bakal got defeated by someone who has literally never seriously fought until him

[dusky prairie]

Sorry gng

[tepid blade]

your good

[split night]

She literally have zero combat skills and still wooping Bak'al ass

[winged narwhal]

fraudkal continues to be proven

[tepid blade]

I mean she is powerful, but I have heard a theory that he threw the fight just to capture her

[split night]

I think just extract wynncraft content as much as you can, discussing lore in here assume you already know all of the baseline important lore context in the game so

[whole river]

I doubt it, he’s the type where if he could kill her he would’ve

Capturing her won’t give an inherent advantage

[split night]

He said it himself

I mean he even escape fighting a human on even ground, I genuinely don't believe this guy can have any more motive than going back to mommy Saphanis and cry

xd

[tepid blade]

Also to be fair, Bak'al's first appearance was in the RoL questline if I remember correctly

[whole river]

Yeah it’s fair to say he genuinely got beat or at the least recognized he wasn’t built for just murdering her outright

Then he fled and cried for dern

[tepid blade]

Well, Bob is a half-human, half-Olm, but still less powerful that a Scion

[split night]

We haven't seen him win against any fights that are on even ground yet
most of his wins are against random citizens around detlas

[tepid blade]

true

[split night]

I doubt he even able to beat cluckus on rooster island

[tepid blade]

bro is a coward, or he could be a mastermind who plots way ahead of everyone else, but VERY unlikely

[whole river]

Even though he can probably beat Theorick it’s still funny in AHC that he had to make a subordinate do it

[tepid blade]

maybe, but yeah it is funny that he refuses to put himself in any actual danger, and he is supposed to be this massive big bad capable of destroying civilizations

[split night]

I think he's the type that is just rely on being bigger than the weaker person and bully them

but when someone who is equal to him he just ran

[whole river]

Bakal needs to do a thragg-esque turnaround

[split night]

I feel like he might as well build like a twink so no way he's pulling that move

xd

[winged narwhal]

me when i'm in a settler colonialism competition and my opponent is the villagers:

[whole river]

When you think about it technically the villagers still “own” almuj

[tepid blade]

It would be cool to see him as a villain who turns out to just seek power at any cost, rather than follow beings who are more powerful without question, because unlike the Realm Beast who are evil out of nature, Bak'al is just evil for the love of the game

[split night]

xd
He IS an opportunist who seek for more power at any cost, that is true

Anathema wants him death and ask us to kill him if we do meet

[whole river]

Bakal is going to gain 10000+ aura if he actually backstabs the Dern beast

[winged narwhal]

huh?

[tepid blade]

I imagine that if he does, we will walk into the Dern Beasts boss room, and we just see it's already dead with Bak'al standing in front of its corpse

[split night]

Seems a bit far fetched

I think it's more us defeating Saphanis but Bak'al land the killing blow

[whole river]

Wynnex

[tepid blade]

yeah it is far fetched, just something that looks cool in my head

[tepid blade]

that's more likely

[whole river]

They removed the last mayor and installed their own

[whole river]

Yeah I imagine it’s post our fight with Dern beast if he ever DID

[winged narwhal]

huh?

[split night]

I think we're getting into the fanfiction area now if we keep discussing something that won't come in the next 5 years xd

[tepid blade]

It feels a bit funny that this is like the only canon moment in the entire quest, Ragni could also be canon though

[whole river]

A hunters calling, did you play it?

[tepid blade]

That's normal for me when I like something that isn't complete story wise, I just imagine future events because I like making stories (even thinking about an AU for wynncraft)

[whole river]

There’s a part where they show us how the Wynnex company expanded and one way was just outright taking over almuj

[split night]

I did make one, I think you have read it?

[tepid blade]

I know

[winged narwhal]

ah, haven't done ahc since like 2022

[split night]

I'm pretty experience with making fan AU because I was an undertale fan

xd

[whole river]

Yeah well basically Wynnex kinda just took it over and we never saw what ended up happening

[winged narwhal]

well, supposedly facts on the ground didn't really change that much according to the wiki

[warm flicker]

i thought everything in AHC was hypothetical, not real?

[winged narwhal]

also, I don't think Wynnex is representative of the Gavellian states

[red idol]

Guys a dumb question but the only thing after the raid is the ||tasim|| dialog? I felt like theres something missing?

[split night]

huh? oh yeah I forgot that detail came from AHC
so then it IS hypothetical, because it's just a vision the dern drug dealer give us

[tepid blade]

there isn't something your missing right now, anything else hasn't been added yet unfortunately

[red idol]

Oh so nothing about the aftermath

[split night]

Probably just wait for CT to cook up post raid dialog

[red idol]

Thanks!

[whole river]

They likely aren’t but I originally mentioned it when people asked which places villagers have influence in

[whole river]

It’s a hypothetical in the results but technically it’s like a flashback as to how they got influence in the first place

[winged narwhal]

we should be able to help the orcs conquer Llevigar

[split night]

Don't do that, thinking of that is canon make every other details from AHC basically become canon which they are not

Don't make selective acceptance of what is canon in a confirmed hypothetical

xd

[whole river]

It’s not confirmed that part is hypothetical

[split night]

It's confirmed that every part in the visions are hypothetical

I can't be more clear with you

[whole river]

Do you have a screenshot of that

[split night]

No??

[whole river]

Ok so how do you know

It also makes little sense if it was hypothetical cuz it just kinda makes sense? Like we see how they influenced Wynn outside of AHC

They’re legit a shadow organization

[split night]

I'm talking as in you are selectively accepting a part of the vision as true
which is WEIRD as hell, because what stopping me from just taking in all the smallest detail that have big consequences like the almuj vision

[whole river]

What?

I mean what’s your explanation as to how they got permission to excavate

[split night]

they asked and the mayor let it

[whole river]

Where is that stated

[split night]

It's not like the mayor know anything about the crystals

[cedar prism]

ARE CORKUS PEOPLE FRUMANS????

[whole river]

They needed him gone so they can get permission

[whole river]

Yes

[split night]

yes they are

[cedar prism]

I KNEW IT

[whole river]

They revealed it eons ago

[split night]

don't be mean

let the guy be excited

xd

[cedar prism]

I thought to myself soosu would LOVE corkus

[whole river]

That wasn’t meant to be mean

[tepid blade]

She probably would

[cedar prism]

like when i first saw soosu i was like OMGG

[whole river]

It’s just like, they told you about it in corkus

[split night]

yeah i think so?
Soosu would love it

She would dismantle the factory though

[cedar prism]

are there any traces of fruma lore in corkus?

[hybrid gazelle]

Relos library

[tepid blade]

some, mostly in the Corkus library

[cedar prism]

mmmm

ahhh so the metamorphosis location makes more sense

[whole river]

I’m still convinced that was entirely done because of the memes about the island

[tepid blade]

what, the secret discovery?

[whole river]

The Fruma ARG event

[tepid blade]

okay, yeah I remember now

[cedar prism]

what is South of Roughworks/Mistwoods

[shut hornet]

the wastelands

[cedar prism]

oh fun

[quartz cobalt]

Hey so ive been running WTP a few times now to see all of big red angry moths dialogue. It seems when you ask her about the connections she reveals that they "manipulated" them open the second time. This made me instantly think back to taproot where we see that the Elves cut down the original Guardian of the Forest because of a "miscommunication" from Orphion. I so believe now it was all manipulation to get the connections reestablished.

But i could be stupid and missing something lol

[hybrid gazelle]

which dialogue branch is this

I might hjave to reread them again LOL

post raid dialogue is so expansive

[split night]

2 LEs per dialog branch 😔

[restive yacht]

that's very cheap

[split night]

billionaire and a working class looking at the same car

[cedar prism]

i have question abt lore

is Alumia or Llevigar better at academics

[formal bridge]

Nah this is a pretty common theory nowadays for exactly the reasons you've given

[burnt zodiac]

Does someone have that one timeline doc

[hybrid gazelle]

we have more info about Alumia

Llevigar jsut vague rn

but it depend

Alumia likely very censored by Fruma

but llevigar also

it depend on what you want to study for tbh

but I think Alumia likely have more budget

[tepid blade]

I would think that Alumia would be better for the arts and sciences, while Llevigar would be better for magic and history

[rich scarab]

if you succeed in the run you almost always get that back

[quartz cobalt]

Ah ill have to replay it again. I think you ask her "what were you doing?", i've noticed theres a couple options that lead to the same outcome and i know theres a second option that leads to the connections option.

[winged narwhal]

Orphion works in mysterious ways

[split night]

Was Orphion ever proud of what Her's majesty accomplished

[hasty beacon]

No bro is kinda evil

[round wraith]

not wrong, its a pretty sweet view

[spring warren]

Hey guys found this in the basement of the wartorn palace entrance. Got out of my second completion and one of the usually locked side doors was open. Ran down some stairs and found this door, if interacted with all 5 runes it says the lock weakens for a second and then returns in full. Any ideas?

[mossy badge]

TBA

(can't open it as far as we know)

[silk ravine]

What exactly are the Gallehaut enemies that appear in the Royal Alchemists world event & the raid?

Are they Gendarme variants or some sort of giant golem?

[mossy badge]

They are hubert 🥰

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036586382233194496/1469796720228696247/hubert.gif

(prolly just a big gandarme)

[tough axle]

hubert (beloved)

[mossy badge]

Yo aster got a portrait :o

[uneven basin]

Not if you can solo world events

The real struggle is actually winning the raid

[uneven basin]

They look like automatons I wouldn't be surprised if it was some sort of soosu project

[signal bough]

that's wynn outside of the SE

[regal walrus]

Is their any new content or dialogue in the festival

[bold geode]

So the queen gave parts of her potential away to empower the sovereigns

enough to give us a chance

I suppose she's "lesser" but hey that means the gods too are limited

If they can bleed, then we can get rid of them, surely?

There is going to be orphion betrayal

[radiant harbor]

Can't wait for orphion's nexus of light 2 raid

[tough axle]

pardon my confusion but isnt ragni APART of the wynn united command alliance?

and isnt troms allied to them?

[grim arrow]

So canonically did the player do the raid with Tasim Sui and Zeph?

Is that how I’m supposed to interpret it

[hollow lynx]

Seems so

I would much rather them just make it an actual bossfight, but oh well

[grim arrow]

Then who did player do the other raids with in canon I wonder

[hollow lynx]

No one I think

P sure we solo them

[grim arrow]

Isn’t there dialogue about bringing friends when you unlock them

Or am I misremembering from old content

[hollow lynx]

Huh?

I don't recall

[signal bough]

for NoL

[radiant harbor]

Surely Aledar talks about bringing other soldiers with you in the eldritch outlook

[grim arrow]

Yeah I think he does

EO was designed to feel like a proto raid before raids iirc

[hollow lynx]

No one mentions TNA do they?

[grim arrow]

I don’t think it has a quest that ties to it

You just finish A Journey Further and you can do it without anyone talking about it

[hollow lynx]

I think we solo grootslang aswell

[shut hornet]

there*

[hollow lynx]

Lari just walks away

[shut hornet]

not really besides aster having a dialogue portrait now

[grim arrow]

I like the idea of them lowkey implying that you did the raids with NPCs since they’re designed to be impossible alone

I wouldn’t hate it if they go back and do that with the other ones

[radiant harbor]

I wonder if this means we'll get an Aledar portrait relatively soon

[signal bough]

troms is allied but given how you are not welcome through their tunnel, they are a separate state

[grim arrow]

I would imagine portraits would go to early game content first so that new players get the best experience

That’s how they usually do it no?

[radiant harbor]

Yes... But I don't think zeph would survive with all those saws and atomic bombs during that boss fight

[hollow lynx]

Mid game shouldn't even be bothered with

All the quests there need a rework

[grim arrow]

If they rewrite and rework everything to be of Fruma quality it’ll be so gas

Especially the important quest lines like NoL

It was jarring but in a really good way to come back for Fruma and have the writing be suddenly way less cringe

[grim arrow]

idk he was frying in some of the last few quests

If Rex can hold it down against Tasim alone with no magic then Zeph might be a monster

[radiant harbor]

Oh yeah I didn't consider that

Crazy how he and especially Sui grow in strength even faster than John Wynncraft

[signal bough]

I do not believe that Ragni is, given that the rest of wynn considers you a ragni recruit as opposed to a detlas soldier.

[verbal canopy]

Can you tell Tasim yet?

there seemed to be one part where you were gonna be able to but there was no option. I heard it was unimplemented for now. Is that true or do you get the chance to tell him later?

[tepid blade]

Not yet, will be added later

[grim arrow]

As in you'll be able to tell him early on? That kind of changes the story no?

[tepid blade]

You should be able to tell him in the first quest, near its end, but I don't know if and how it will change the story, at least that much

[winged hedge]

What name do i state at the wooden door during "The strong survive?"

[grim arrow]

Well him being angry at you for not telling him is kind of ||what pushes him over the edge later on|| so I'd be curious how they can implement that

[tepid blade]

True, ||I do think he will stay with the queen, but the final Apotheosis interaction will certainly change||

[grim arrow]

Even if you know the answer you have to find all the papers anyway

[winged hedge]

oh crap its ||niren||???

i got the papers in my first playthrough but didnt know i had to say his name

[winged hedge]

whats behind the door

[dim plover]

In terms of powerscaling is the player post-Fruma just completely busted now

In terms of things we’ve canonically beaten solo we’ve dealt with literally everything in the province minus the Queen

[tepid blade]

||The only Sovereign we beat solo was Majin , and maybe Gikyo, and we beat the Queen the first time Solo, and each one we beat was killed by someone else or escaped so only kinda busted||

[rich scarab]

||i mean tbf majin is kinda canonically the most powerful sovereign||

||if we can beat majin solo we can beat any of them solo||

[tepid blade]

||Yeah fair, but he also just exploded in the end of the fight by gaining to much cosmic power, we didn't really "defeat" him||

[past laurel]

who named the characters in the strong survive

who is the absolute gigachad on CT who named a background NPC Verdi

[tepid blade]

Arnol, why

[past laurel]

is this a reference to THE Giuseppe Verdi

[dim plover]

Wasn’t the Queen a forced loss

Or like, forced loss cutscene

[tepid blade]

Yeah, but it is canon, and we didn't completely loose, ||we broke her mortal shell, but that was with the help of Rex||

[rich scarab]

more like ||rex took the final shot||

[tepid blade]

true

||It was breaking anyways||

[rich scarab]

||yeah most of rex's contribution was saving us rather than harming the queen||

[dim plover]

Still not Queen level though

Tbh I was kinda mad that there was a forced loss I hate those things

Deltarune did it better where you can technically physically overcome it given enough retries

[nocturne nimbus]

I wonder who named the characters Halbe and Katze

[tough axle]

it felt like a very ai generated quest im ngl

[past laurel]

idk what these are referencing

;sob

😭