📚lore_discussion

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Psionics 🤯

[rotund gust]

actually yeah hoarder talking about the void village kinda fits perfectly

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Ye he's saying the void villagers (and like every1 else) are seen as lessers by the psionics, for obvious reasons

[rotund gust]

ehhhh

i think its more saying the void villagers look down on the hoarder. "They do not acknoweldge their loss" cause the voidvillagers enjoyer living in the void. "we are seem as lesser" people like the hoarder and scavenger who don't live in the void village

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I agree its a little confusing dialogue

[rotund gust]

idk i don't think the trigger being a transformed psionic quill really has anything to do with it

especially since it isn't the psionic quill itself that triggers the dialogue, but rather the transformed voidblown quill

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I dont understand it, wouldnt it be the scavengers that enjoy scroating

[rotund gust]

i just assume the hoarder and the scavenger are somehow related

no evidence

just an assumption

[slim belfry]

they're siblings

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There is evidence

Ye

[rotund gust]

oh

my soul read was correct

w

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I do wonder what they are tho

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Villagers.. ?

[slim belfry]

I doubt it

they dont even care about emeralds

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Ah true lol

[slim belfry]

heck they dont even know what they are

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Maybe void natives

[paper wyvern]

crack theory: whatever the fuck the skyraiders are

[slim belfry]

ehhhh

inhuman attendee is likely from dern

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What if the scavengers are also from dern

What if they are not from dern but just the void, like the archipelago

[slim belfry]

archipelago is the border of dern

also everything in the void came from somewhere

true void is empty

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No?

Its just a place in the void

[hybrid gazelle]

Inhuman Attendee likely from Wynn due the fact the mob has "Inhuman" in its name and Wynn is base on Middle English

[slim belfry]

it's both

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Well ig

Its a gateway

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wat

[hybrid gazelle]

The joke is that British people are not human

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lmao

[rotund gust]

they really need to give us a retcon establishing what the hell they are

skyraider being a species would be so dumb

[paper wyvern]

I still dont get why the heck they dont define what the skyraiders are in the full quest about them

[hybrid gazelle]

uhh

women

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What is that

🔥

[rotund gust]

skyraiders are all escaped changelings who decided to live out their yuri pirate fantasies together

new theory

[winged narwhal]

Skyraiders have been around for a very long time

In 573 AP they’re on their 356th Queen

[rotund gust]

the player is the 734th in 1000AP

[mystic fulcrum]

Do Aledar got a portrait?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

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I dont think

[rich scarab]

from where do people know the location of bluesift archepelago?

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Just look around bro 💔

[rotund gust]

i mean that means they through one queen every 13-14 months 😭

[winged narwhal]

Assuming the queen turnover rate is static (admittedly a big assumption), the first sky raider queen was in 171

[winged narwhal]

Its possible the turnover rate post-villager colonization is higher

[paper wyvern]

I mean I doubt the skyraider existed pre shattering

[rotund gust]

same

[paper wyvern]

although its more likely they started around 50-100 ap

[rotund gust]

it would be kinda weird to have skyraiders with no sky islands

[winged narwhal]

Shattering is in 0 AP

[paper wyvern]

then 171

[winged narwhal]

Well, the Skyraiders as an institution likely not

[rotund gust]

do we know what year airships were invented?

[winged narwhal]

The Skyraiders species perhaps

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Women

[paper wyvern]

🤷

at least before 573ap

[rich scarab]

that's not really enough to say "it's right next to dern", that could just be from most of its matter being taken from the expanse and a similar thing warping it to look like that as what is doing that to the big void hole (bearing in mind the area around the proper dern portal doesnt look like that, so probably isnt just dern's influence directly)

atp just say "we dont know where it is"

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Oh physically its not next to dern

Its next to dern cuz u can tp there with the portals

W greg

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/that-seems-dumb-duck-dynasty-gif-4389868

[cedar badger]

Is it just me or does the WynnExcavation seem completely pointless to the storyline

aight thanks

[winged narwhal]

You don’t believe in Homo yuri?

[rotund gust]

is that the taxonomic name 😭

[rich scarab]

it is now

[rotund gust]

it served a purpose back before the silent expanse, when we knew next to nothing about the olm or cosmic magic

but now

especially with fruma giving us a bit more lore on both

it kinda doesn’t

[rotund gust]

wouldn’t Homo Yurizoku make more sense

full name

[cedar badger]

Oh thank you, I mean it’s just, I feel like the storyline flows so well with things leading into each other and this quests feels like a family guy throwaway gag

[rotund gust]

also that

it isn’t really integrated with any of the region plots

Site B is sort of integrated with the twain plotline, since i think marius is implied or stated to have hidden that crystal?

[paper wyvern]

wynnex is so old its pre gavel

and its barely been updated

[winged narwhal]

If we want to do a Latin taxonomy it’d probably be Homo lesbiana or Homo tribas

[paper wyvern]

a lot fo the npcs are still using pigmen models

[winged narwhal]

Does it still have the pigmen

[cedar badger]

I genuinely feel like just cutting it out and not even acknowledging it

[rotund gust]

yeah the twains hid the purple crystal

but like

[winged narwhal]

Homo yuri is just funnier

[cedar badger]

I mean that was a but interesting, powerful characters had taken care of crystals before and now they are in our possession, like that’s pretty cool but we just burn them and nothing ever comes of em

[rotund gust]

site A has nothing to do with anything
site B namedrops the twains hiding that crystal, but has nothing to do with them and doesn’t elaborate at all
site C has nothing to do with anything
site D tries to do stuff with olm and explaining the war of realms, but it’s so outdated and we already get sources that explain both things better prior that it just doesn’t work anymore

[paper wyvern]

I don't think they need to cut it, the lore in it is the outline that became the modern lore but it really really needs a revamp

[cedar badger]

😭😭😭

[paper wyvern]

The sources that explain both are actually later, olm is explained in silent expanse and wynnex d is the level before RoL 4

[winged narwhal]

Gavelexcavation never went anywhere did it

[rotund gust]

i’m talking time valley and garoth

[paper wyvern]

You say that like garroth has actual lore

[rotund gust]

for olm

I mean, he tries to

i more just mean the various olm and their stuff in time valley

[paper wyvern]

Time valley is pre fall of the olm

[rotund gust]

yeah but it still tells us about them

[cedar badger]

The 2 interesting things I was able to piece from them was us being basically the guardians now of them and a deeper theme of government corruption/power deepening what we saw in Almuj but then like, the Olm stuff seems like a sidenote thrown in there 😭

[paper wyvern]

And wynnex is still what tells us what happened to the olm

[rotund gust]

i guess

[paper wyvern]

Time valley explains what the olm are, wynnex is what happened after the fall, and silent expanse is the fall

[cedar badger]

Genuinely I feel like Fate of the Fallen is 20x more important and it’s not even a storyline quest

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There is no main storyline

Wynnex is its own storyline

[cedar badger]

Officially, no, up to interpretation, hell yeah lmao

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I mean officially rol, se and fruma

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I find it weird how wynnex is referenced in a secret discovery
Like there's just a second set of crystals haphazardly buried somewhere

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And they WILL make better main storyline later

[paper wyvern]

Yeah a revamped wynnex would fit in well with the main storyline

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Would be nice to do a quest with tasim in gavel

[paper wyvern]

It would make a really nice into

Then RoL introduces the stakes

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100%

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I think the main storyline should include like dungeon quests

Alongside what u alr mentioned

[rotund gust]

the entirely of olm lore from wynnex could be one jungle secret discovery

[paper wyvern]

Right now we have RoL explaining the stakes, silent expanse being the second real effect on the scale, and fruma which massively expanded everything and pushes towards the endgame

Wynnex intro fits right in

[rotund gust]

idk i think the opposite. I think them trying to fit wynnex into the war of realms plot just doesn’t work, The shadow government just doesn’t really fit into it imo

[cedar badger]

What quests do yall feel like should be the dark green book „Storyline” instead of the normal one, I feel like Fate of The Fallen is an obvious answer but I feel like there is more I just can’t put my finger on it

[rotund gust]

especially when RoL 1-3 kinda give us enough already

[paper wyvern]

I feel like wynnex should be primarily a way to explore the governmence of wynn with a background in introducing the war of the realms

[fallow heart]

I think wynnex should have the 4 elemental crystals actually affecting stuff outside the quest
And mainly expand the lore of the material world (like how it was created), as the best we have is from the old fruma plates

[paper wyvern]

And maybe also explain how cosmic magic connects to it

[rotund gust]

the only real involvement wynnex has in war of realms is the bit in Site D where you get loredumped to. I think that gets cut you lose nothing

[fallow heart]

Def

[rotund gust]

war of realms doesn’t really need expanding on at this point

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I think it would be good to pose amadel as this guy who wants to be a god while knowing nothing of the war of the realms - a person playing at divinity while knowing nothing about what hes getting into

[rotund gust]

we get a good intro with the RoL questline

and more expansion on it in Fruma and SE

[cedar badger]

RoL is great on its own

WynnExcavation doesn’t add anything meaningful

Like at all

I think

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Site D eez nutz

[rotund gust]

wynnexcavation, ???, purple and blue, star thief then whatever sohso/selium quest comes in the wastelands.
The Cosmic Questline

consider

[paper wyvern]

Honestly cosmic magic still feels kinda out of place

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As i said, the dungeon quests, fate of fallen is 1 aint it

[cedar badger]

Yeah

[whole river]

Kinda funny the only important quests for Wynn are from gavel

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I'd say ??? is important to the lore but.. 🔥

[full harness]

Being forced to play all 5 rol quests to enter fruma on each class was a torment I wish upon not even my greatest enemjes (except @whole river )

[cedar badger]

They are cool storywise

[fallow heart]

Would be really nice
We know the olm really liked their cosmology, but it doesn't really show up in any quests (except for gylia lake ones and ??? but even then we don't get much)

[cedar badger]

They connect pretty well

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Ppls problem with quests is stuff is quest locked PER CLASS

[fallow heart]

True, I do enjoy the story
Even though it can be a bit tedious to go through them

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So u have to do it again

And again

[whole river]

I have my own issues with ROL tbh

[cedar badger]

Yeah going thru them is NOT it

but

[hollow lynx]

Can someone catch me up on ???

I haven't done it

Atleast what lore purpose it serves

[cedar badger]

at least they connect to Aldorei, there is some continuation, not a random „collect crystals that mean nothing actually”

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The cosmic meteors

Make u crazy and such

[hollow lynx]

Alright

Ty

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i think it just needs to be expanded on with what it actually does. Like up until fruma the only cosmic magic “users” were star thief and arguably amadel. and each meteor has its own weird and abstract effects (purple and blue being order and chaos??)

but then we get majin

and his cosmic magic is just… rainbows and throwing mini planets?

[rotund gust]

like his magic is closer just space themed elemental magic then the “cosmic” magic we’ve seen thus far

[paper wyvern]

Yeah the only unifying effect of cosmic magic we have seen is driving users to insanity

[rotund gust]

and even then majin’s “insanity” was different then the other meteor madness we’ve seen

he just kinda had a powertrip

drugs and stuff

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How come

His obsession was himself

[paper wyvern]

I mean I see the insanity as pushing deeper into obsessions

[whole river]

Me wondering who amadel was before quickly realizing Wynnex exists and isn’t just a whacky side quest

[paper wyvern]

It's just that Majin is extremely self obsessed

[rotund gust]

i guess

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🍄

[cedar badger]

@mossy badge 4/9 dungeon quests are considered storyline

Low

[whole river]

Totally forgot about that guy he gets clapped by pre-parasite player lmfao

[rotund gust]

idk i kinda see the meteor madness as like… mushrooms chickens and just general changes of character

majin’s reads more like a drug obsession or something where he’s getting high on power and keeps drawing on more and more until it’s too much

[fallow heart]

Could garoth be seen as a cosmic energy user?

[rotund gust]

like this doesn’t really fit the “heehoo chickens”

[rotund gust]

garoth is time magic

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Also it lowk feels like secret discoveries are more important than some side quests 🥀

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I mean he is an olm

And guess what olms were

(astronomers)

[paper wyvern]

yeah honestly feels like 80% of lore comes from secret discovery blurbs

[cedar badger]

Okay to sum it up, I’ve spent too much time here 😭, stop caring about WynnExcavation, dive deeper into dungeon quests and do ???

[rotund gust]

like. With Yahya and Nohno is made them obsessed with random objects, and made them stupid.

majin its magic cocaine

[cedar badger]

Does that about cover it or am I forgetting something up to that point 😭

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Do secret discoveries

[paper wyvern]

wynnex is cool

[rotund gust]

secret discoveries my beloved

[paper wyvern]

I want to see what they do when they dont have to make amadel a wither model

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I just find it weird that the olm place a huge emphasis on the cosmos and the most we get of it is a few meteors that make people crazy
I hope they add SOMETHING more on it (like a SE or quest)

[rotund gust]

yall know that gif of tuco crushing up the infinity stones and snorting them

that’s but it’s majin with meteors

[fallow heart]

Wynnex desperately needs a rework
So do quite a few other quests

[paper wyvern]

I mean sohso is going to be part of wastelands questline

[rotund gust]

https://youtu.be/96-3VUxfNKc?si=8YuYOR5g48_mLu9s

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I hope that we get a space expansion 🔥

But most ppl think its unlikely

[rotund gust]

this but it’s majin snorting the purple and blue meteors

[rotund gust]

supposedly

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What if wastelands is just 1 quest 1 dungeon and just pvp 😔

Surely not

[rotund gust]

no dungeon

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Gravity monolith

Surely

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… quest

i mean i guess a dungeon would work

[paper wyvern]

deraj would make a good dungeon but thats assuming the ct isnt abandoning the system till a rework happens

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This is my fav dungeon 🔥

[rotund gust]

imagine the boss is one of fruma’s old gods

[paper wyvern]

I mean I imagine the boss of the deraj dungeon would be oru

[rotund gust]

Surely oru would be a quest boss

[paper wyvern]

but it would be cool if old fruman gods were involved in the wastelands

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https://tenor.com/view/yelling-silly-lizard-roar-gif-835253383905903718

Meh

[rotund gust]

i mean, the queen a bare minimum destroyed the god of the auburn forest

which was probably atlashas the fox?

she also says gods plural, so atleast one other one

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I mean, all, no?

[rotund gust]

all would make sense

but im just trying to find a possiblity for one to still be alive

so we can kill it :)

also nifilis would make the most sense to still live. It was the wastelands one, which seems to be the least colonized region, and while Tolos was hunted all we know about Nifilis was that it "grew volitile"

trust wastelands update we're gonna get to kill the lava lizard

wait wait hold on i might be cooking something now

Changelings "they come from the earth, charged with its primordial life. But how? How do they come to be? What ignites that spark?" then selium mentions in the hallowground file "...perhaps I should ask the earth itself."

"We have come so close... so close, yet so far. I have heard its echoes, surfacing from the depths below. A broken, fractured thing...
The spark... I have lit it once more. That which animates the dark pools of essence into beings we control..."

[fallow heart]

I really hope we descend to the changeling goop

[rotund gust]

then the creation story of fruma mentions

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lol

Wastelands is just oil

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-drill-baby-drill-drill-baby-oil-gif-3679599935855163892

[rotund gust]

what if

changelings, seliums disappearance, and nifilis are all connected

its a god of fire and earth

selium "asks the earth itself"

the changelings come from dark pools of essence, and the creation myth of fruma starts with inky darkness

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Btw does any1 have a clear picture of Atlahas' ghost?

[rotund gust]

and from the wastelands, where nifilis lives/lived

[fallow heart]

I feel like the salamander is more attuned to magma and fire than inky black goop

[rotund gust]

niflis is fire AND earth

but also

theres a lot of imagry about "igniting the spark"

with the changeling creation

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I think the "splash of black paint, depicting an inky darkness" is just void

Not whatever the goop is

[fallow heart]

Yeah

[rotund gust]

i mean maybe

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The goop is something, the void is nothing

[fallow heart]

Does the fruma creation story apply to gavel as well?
Cause its the entire world right

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I'd say no

Its just fruma

[rotund gust]

no, the gods seem specific to fruma

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Gavel is more like colossi and Garaheth if smth

[fallow heart]

Well wynn was part of old fruma
So it would prob unclude wynn as well
niflis could explain why there's just a random volcano in the middle of the plains

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Eh

Wynn was referred as "far colonies" and not fruma

And the description of the gods dont really match wynn

[fallow heart]

Fair

[rotund gust]

"burning magma AND crashing earth" its earth and fire. Idk i get what you mean but it could be something

"nifilis grows volitile" you know what else is volitile? the changelings before they're trained

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[rich scarab]

if wynn were properly part of old fruma they probably wouldn't have just cut it off when the corruption appeared

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wat

They're not on fire.. ?

[rotund gust]

volatile doesn't mean fire

what

volatile like emotionally

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Ye idk what that word means

[winged narwhal]

Clearly Nifilis is Garaheth

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https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[rotund gust]

like

capricious

or

bipolar

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lol

[winged narwhal]

Anyways I do think some people are ascribing a bit too much power to the Fruman gods. I don’t think they’re realm beast tier

[rotund gust]

idk when we eventually hit wastelands thats my theory
Either
A: changelings are being made out of nifilis' corpse or
B: nifilis is the source of changelings/the creature who selium went to for further understanding when he disappeared

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Whats the difference then?

[rotund gust]

yeah, the creation myth is probably not accurate to them

they probably aren't that strong

especially the owl lmfao

[hollow lynx]

Where do the gods get mentioned?

[rotund gust]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bvjamsqt8nJMu69KDAwyVb3r44UX1pbXZvBveRm5LOM/edit?tab=t.8zb5ln9fupi6

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Secret discovery/lore tablets/random shrines that u NEED a fucking mythic for

[hollow lynx]

Lord have mercy

[winged narwhal]

I think if they were realm beast tier they would be mentioned outside of Fruma and less easy to kill

[rotund gust]

thats the creation myth

theres a few other scattered mentions

but like

2/5 haven't been mentioned outside of that creation myth, and only one has made an appearence in something that didn't need translation/didn't have an old fruman equivalent

Sasha in Aldwell Library

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I mean we kill a realm beast easily, and well who tf would mention them lol?

[hollow lynx]

If you mean Orphion he was extremely weakend

[rotund gust]

hey wait a minute

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I do not mean orphion

[rotund gust]

owl, deer, fox

the mistwood tribes

[hollow lynx]

We only defeat 2 no?

[mossy badge]

Well ye?

So u can guess who the other is

Who didn't just get weakend but died

[hollow lynx]

We needed 4 people to stand a chance

[rotund gust]

orphion wasn't fighting us
he was just thrashing like an animal in pain really

cause parasite

[hollow lynx]

Yeah

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And?

[hollow lynx]

And she lost most of her power due to scions

[rotund gust]

@almo heres the tldr on the gods from how i understand it

[hollow lynx]

Ty

[winged narwhal]

I’m assuming these are like Garaheth tier deities at best

[rotund gust]

maybe colossus?

[hollow lynx]

Who is Garaheth again?

[rotund gust]

idk depends on how accurate the creation myth is

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Thats the same

[rotund gust]

the one demon for d&d 4

[winged narwhal]

Dogun Guy

[hollow lynx]

Oh

[rotund gust]

idk garaheth needs a glow up

mf was so so much weaker then the canyon colossus

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Tbh i dont see the difference other than just "power", yk like 8 is higher than 7

[rotund gust]

i mean garaheth seems to just be a demon (whatever that is) while the colossi seem to have some cosmic importance

[winged narwhal]

The one thing that can be reasonably construed as a mention of the Fruma deities outside of Fruma is the Quetzalcoatl item lore

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EternalOne rumbling about garaheth raid 🔥

[rotund gust]

pretty sure thats talking about farcor

"only one remains"

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🤯

[rotund gust]

and him being above the sky islands

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Why would fruman gods, who were only in fruma, be mentioned outside anyway

[rotund gust]

unless farcor IS nasaheksh but like... we have so little info on BOTH and farcor is a dragon

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Realm beasts only mentioned cuz they fucking move out of their realms

[winged narwhal]

Yeah, I said reasonably construed not blatantly the same

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That doesn't neccessarly mean power

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Nah

[rotund gust]

fair, i just think farcor is the much more obvious mention

[winged narwhal]

Isn’t that only one idol remaining

[rotund gust]

i mean maybe

actually probably

but still "great serpant of Ahms" "bringer of wisdom" thats almost certainly farcor. Especially since the fruma gods don't seem to necessarily be "good" (see Sasha eating a child)

[winged narwhal]

Anyways, Wynn seems to have gods/god level beingsthat aren’t Realm Beast tier and I think that’s what the Fruman ones are

[rotund gust]

idk haven't most non-realm beasts gods been scrubbed from lore atp?

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That book is funny lol

[rotund gust]

like the one elven god has had its mentions slowly removed

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Prolly doesn't eat children

lmao

[regal spire]

Fruma gods?

[rotund gust]

oh shmeg are you jsut getting here

[regal spire]

I must’ve missed the frumic translations

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https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[rotund gust]

hold on

ill link it again

[regal spire]

I do not know!

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Blud knew about ascendancy shrine but not the actual content

[rotund gust]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bvjamsqt8nJMu69KDAwyVb3r44UX1pbXZvBveRm5LOM/edit?tab=t.8zb5ln9fupi6

heres a tldr

tolos gets namedropped a lot in the other translations
nifilis gets namedropped in the architect shrine
sasha has the childrens story in aldwell library

the other two

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U can meet Atlahas in lr 🔥

[rotund gust]

oh also the valdiction necklace mentions nifilis

but its not translated yet

[warm flicker]

wait they actually added stuff to the aldwell library? What did they add?

[rotund gust]

theres 4 boks

books

there all on the wiki rn

wait no

3 books

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Theres still 1 missing

Ye

[rotund gust]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Aldwell_Library

[shut hornet]

fourth one will release in the next couple days

i have been writing it

[cinder cedar]

me and my shaman buddy were only able to read 2 books

[fallow heart]

Peak

[rotund gust]

huh

[cinder cedar]

the rest of the books in that library are a lil buggy

[rotund gust]

oh i see

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Tbh idk myself but i heard there's a ghost fox enemy in lr

[rotund gust]

ok so all 5 gods have atleast one mention outside the creation myth

[regal spire]

Damn, folk lore to Fruma…

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https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

[rotund gust]

also these gods are more then likely real characters, since the fox enemy in the lootrun and the queen mentions destroying their gods

also "Tolos is hunted, Nifilis grows volatile" is a weird statment if the gods are made up

[regal spire]

Now, the real question:
is any of this actually real, or is it all symbolic stories depicting creation

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https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[rotund gust]

the gods are likely real, whether or not they are actually gods

[mossy badge]

Seems real

[rotund gust]

ehh

atleast thats my take

[regal spire]

I’m super interested in this, now. I didn’t realize they had their own Demi god figures; I just thought they had vague cultural icons they used to symbolically represent magic

[rotund gust]

idk seems like only 1/5 is magic related

or i guess weave related

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Do u know if the ascendancy shrine worked?

[regal spire]

I do not

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Bro

Literally the 5 elements

[regal spire]

I’m significantly more interested in whether or not these Demi gods had access to a resonance weaver at all

That would explain their god like forms

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Dont seem like

[rotund gust]

i mean, 4/5 have elemental affinities. But nifilis is explicitly both fire and earth, and tolos doesn't really seem to have one

more just nature

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Nature = earth

🤯

[rotund gust]

not like that

[regal spire]

Nature = literally everything though

More inclined to believe rainbow, if it weren’t for the in game cosmic association

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Surely u get

[rotund gust]

nature magic is seperate from earth magic (see grookwarts)

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it

[regal spire]

What? The clown? It clown?

[rotund gust]

shmeg also read the aldwell library book Sight of Sasha

Fruma god eats a child

the book

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https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-gif-1710106434060897082

[regal spire]

Oh, lmao, I didn’t know they added anything there

[fallow heart]

Fruma god allegedly* eats a child

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Horror story for childs to dont go out into the mist

[regal spire]

I’m gonna be extra super duper honest here: I’ve been literally AFK in Espren/Auburn since it dropped to live

[rotund gust]

Sasha eats a child

lmfao

[regal spire]

I just got to the industrial district, like, 3 days ago

[mossy badge]

Says the story book

[rotund gust]

ok but its also really funny

[regal spire]

Accidentally leveled to 111 just from hitting mobs and running through leaf piles

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Ye

[fallow heart]

Most likely propaganda from parents to get their children to behave

[rotund gust]

that the only story about a god other then the creation myth is about it threating to eat then kidnapping a child

[mossy badge]

Have u seen lief pyle? U should carry around mr mushroom

[regal spire]

I have

[fallow heart]

Mr mushroom my goat

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Yo whats ur rank

[regal spire]

I do not carry Mr mushroom, though…

[mossy badge]

Im #1 liff grinder

[regal spire]

I forgot

I have, like, 3stx of liffs, though

[mossy badge]

Rookie numbers

[fallow heart]

Mr mushroom has canonically gone with us to the light realm and has thus seen orpheon

[mossy badge]

Ur prolly liff intermediate

(i mean im too)

[regal spire]

It’s true, it’s true. I sold so many

[rotund gust]

also wtf is Uthak

old name for mistwoods?

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Mistwoods

[rich scarab]

on the whole "is there actually a proper distinction between the plane of physicality and influence or did the tree make it up" thing, the all-knowing content book does seem to think there's such a thing as the "physical plane"

[regal spire]

Actually, hang on

Could we get back to the resonance weaver?

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My beloved

[regal spire]

Because the Queen made it pretty clear that this is an old technology that has been available to her for a while

[rotund gust]

more like the tree doesn't properly define what the plane of influence is

[rich scarab]

i wish talking mushroom had more dialogue in fruma

[fallow heart]

This is ct hinting to the next update (realm of bugs)

[rotund gust]

like, twos explanation seems to imply that the "plane of influence" is just the void, with influences hanging out in it

[rotund gust]

i mean bak'al made it

we just need to force him to make another

[fallow heart]

Which explanations exactly?

[rotund gust]

twos diagram in overture

[regal spire]

The fact that light and dark seem to be the only representatives of an influence is strange, though. I suppose ||war gets one||, but wouldn’t other natural, cosmic, etc concepts get one, too?

[regal spire]

Ba’kal’s pretty old, I’m assuming

[fallow heart]

Bakal made the resonance weaver core?

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Space update in 2040 will tell

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Ye

[edgy loom]

ok yall look at ts. is this not a blatant lie especially onsidering the new lore with fruma?

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A thousand years old

[edgy loom]

the cursed existed before the portal no

[regal spire]

Uh oh

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(in wynn)

[rotund gust]

yeah, its in the postraid dialogue

[regal spire]

Depending on where this is, yeah

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Wynn colonies were underdeveloped

I'd assume

[edgy loom]

it's in the lusuco library secret discovery

[regal spire]

This is just classic historical stuff inconsistency

[fallow heart]

Huh interesting

[regal spire]

That makes sense

[edgy loom]

do we have a date for when like the ancient civilizations happened

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Havent figured out yet

[regal spire]

There wasn’t an ancient city for Lusuco

[edgy loom]

I think it was something 1500 years ago?

[regal spire]

Lusuco is a generally “newer” colony, from what I’m aware

[mossy badge]

If u wanna try figuring it out, look at like olm history and the cycles mentioned in fruma lore

[rotund gust]

i mean yes but we can also try to rationalize it. Outside of fruma the only magic using human was... the Desert Emperor

so like

[fallow heart]

I find it weird that lutho is the only big instance of light meddling in wynn

[rotund gust]

kinda accurate

[edgy loom]

noo wait

1500 years ago was the empire right

I think that's what I remember

[regal spire]

Lutho, you mean

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Ye

[fallow heart]

Yeah mb

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Or idk

[regal spire]

Lusuco is that bum ass snow town

The one with pig golf

[fallow heart]

Oh yeah
One with that random library that forces you to get 5 gunpowder

[rotund gust]

idk it got changed semi recently

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Pig puck my beloved

[rotund gust]

idk if the wiki is updated

[regal spire]

Literally the hardest SD

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Lusuco's lib?

[rotund gust]

i think its like 500BP now

no the desert dates

[regal spire]

No gunpowder on market? Gl grinding it out of prospectors

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Ah

[edgy loom]

yeahhhhhh look at this, the immortal guy was killed before portal

[rotund gust]

no hold on it defo got changed i think

[edgy loom]

but it's fandom so it's probably old

[regal spire]

The… immortal?

[mossy badge]

I mean thats obvious

It was surely BP

[regal spire]

https://tenor.com/view/immortal-where-is-omni-man-where-is-he-invincible-gif-17913376818474440095

[edgy loom]

I did the secret discoveries recently and I think I heard the empire was 1500 years old

[rotund gust]

mmm

[edgy loom]

so a bit of an inconsistency with the fandom thingy

[rotund gust]

like but 1500Bp or like 500BP, since current day is 1000AP

[edgy loom]

yeah but look at this

anyways even if it's 500bp that's still before portal

so this book is GOOFY and WRONG

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Misinformation book

[regal spire]

Lusuco is a book of lies

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Lies of lusuco

[tepid blade]

Book of Misinformation

[regal spire]

Only SD in Nesaak till 1.19

[rotund gust]

i mean, the portals opening WOULD make sense as a catalyst for why innate magic users started appearing

[fallow heart]

On the topic of lusco, tower of ascention is another instance of cosmic/meteor magic
Could explain why an impostor of death is up there ("death" went crazy looking at the crystal and saw themselves as the real death)

[rotund gust]

idk

crazy

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Not really

[regal spire]

ToA could have some potential towards Olmic settlements, tbh

[rotund gust]

i mean kinda. Crap is invading the world, so the weave becomes a bit unstable or the physical plane fights back and badabing badaboom we get more magic

[warm flicker]

Twain propaganda

[fallow heart]

On the topic of portal opening
Spymaster says that this is the 2nd time the realms of influence fought
Do we have literally anything on the first time?
I feel like it was never mentioned anywhere else

[regal spire]

Idk how, but it’s cosmic in nature, so maybe

[rotund gust]

I LOVE THE TWAINS

WOOO

MORE TWAIN LORE PLEASE

[regal spire]

It could explain why Fruman colonies never made it towards Lusuco, and only inhabited more so after the portal

Actually, wait, Nesaak had no Fruman colonies

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Ye

[regal spire]

Those are Wynn colonies

[warm flicker]

nesaak lore just doesnt exist outside of Theorick's lifetime, lusuco lore doesnt exist period

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I mean if we dont get confirmation on this..

[regal spire]

So, yeah, Lusuco’s library being fucking nonsense and wrong makes total sense

[tepid blade]

Forgery has some lore about a “first” corruption portal long before the one we have now

If I remember correctly

[fallow heart]

"yeah so theres this guy that can talk to the dead and hes the only one that can do it ever. Then he dies"

[edgy loom]

but I thought theorick's house was in lusuco?

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wat

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Its in that area ye

[rotund gust]

trust

[regal spire]

Lusuco didn’t exist… idfk

[rotund gust]

what

[edgy loom]

but this is the lusuco secret discovery 🤔

[rotund gust]

my message gone

D:

[tepid blade]

Or at least some lore related to the forgery

[warm flicker]

seems like it, explains how the Silent Expanse got infested with darkness before the portals opened up

[edgy loom]

maybe he switched houses later but it's wack

[regal spire]

This story was made before 1.17, I think. I can’t remember if the library was added as a part of the SD update, or not

[winged narwhal]

Why does luscuo have ice golem people anyways

[warm flicker]

who knows

[regal spire]

Because 1.14 was the update that needed to show how many cool player models they can make

[mossy badge]

Ice golem ppl?

[tepid blade]

But the forgery is in Gavel, and the silent expanse is in Wynn

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Like the ones in the cave?

[rotund gust]

Gemini item lore
The gods of air and thunder, frustrated with being physically insubstantial alone, decided to band together to forge the ultimate leggings of defense.
Nasakeksh is the god of storms and Sasshahuth is like a mist/wind god

trust

its not outdated

they just thought of it all ahead

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https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[rotund gust]

THERE WaS A REASON FOR IT

[regal spire]

Two gods combined together to make the absolute most MID pair of leggings in the world

[warm flicker]

no i mean they all point to the fact that 0 AP wasnt the first time the portals were opened, they were opened for a time before then but closed until 0 AP

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We have like no fucking knowledge on when that was

[fallow heart]

Wait where is this stated

[rotund gust]

also we still ahve no clue what the Blight is do we

[mossy badge]

2

• Majin talk

[edgy loom]

this will was to twendle right? the npc for the twain house quest

[mossy badge]

Ig

[fallow heart]

Like other than that

[edgy loom]

though "honorary Twain" is an odd term

[warm flicker]

its implied in the Silent Expanse - how could the Dern Beast influence the SE if it happened before the portals opened in 0 AP?
As for the Forgery i forget the exact wording

[winged narwhal]

the Blight?

[regal spire]

Blights both a metaphorical term for anything that could potentially build resentment, distrust, and “corruption” within their society, whilst Blight also refers to—what I believe to be—unwanted influence from the gods

[warm flicker]

i thought this was Bob

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"The Blight is [NIVNESH PRUTS], I are no … ,no [TES|HALPETS] to assume"

[rotund gust]

no like

the frumish text

mentions Blight with caps

A LOT

[edgy loom]

probably makes the most sense yeah, bob also trained under him

[fallow heart]

Was SE before 0 ap?
I always thought it was after the portal

[regal spire]

If not the realm beasts, than their own gods

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I mean there are no caps in frumish lol

[mossy badge]

Thats just snerp's doing

[edgy loom]

no no guys

[tepid blade]

Probably before, because the Olm are like super old

[mossy badge]

Nvm

[warm flicker]

it took a lot of investigative work on my end, but i can confirm the SE became dernified before 0 AP

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Ur right then

[edgy loom]

the beasts could influence wynn long before the portals emerged

[rotund gust]

yes BUT, the english translations do capitilze blight

[regal spire]

There’s a clear motif throughout Wynn that beasts, gods, whatever with extreme levels of power and “influence” inject a blight into their claims

[fallow heart]

Huh
Would love to see a document on that
Would be a good read

[rotund gust]

the roughworks shrine has an instance of it being lowercase AND capitalized

[edgy loom]

then afterwards their connection became severed for a while, and started back up again when the portals reignited

[hollow lynx]

Is there a fruma timeline document?

[rotund gust]

wait

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Source?

[rotund gust]

where in fruma is east

what region

or is that wynn

[mossy badge]

Dont think

[edgy loom]

btw I hate the fuck ass way they write the years in fruma

[regal spire]

It destroys all but the most adapted to their world, and leaves very little diversity and growth, which is an antithesis to what humans represent

[fallow heart]

East of fruma is wynn yeah

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There's 1 img

[warm flicker]

have a look, i discuss the silent expanse and the broader history of the Olm

[rotund gust]

is the blight the queen emerging? or just another word for Corruption

[regal spire]

I have a feeling it could be both

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Thats lowercase cuz snerp typed it lowercase

[warm flicker]

whatever this Blight is... i think it might be Rex's brother

[fallow heart]

They could be referring to the portal opening
Before the queen officially took over

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https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[regal spire]

We don’t have a clear picture of what Wynn looked like, before, but, surely it would have some little bits of corruption around it

[rotund gust]

yeah i know im just assuming, since is IS capitlized in the roughworks shrine whose translation is in game, that they should all be capitalized

[regal spire]

Think Gavel and SE, which had their claims influence sorta just… there

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I mean i'd think corruption can't exist without the portal 1st

[regal spire]

Before they broke through, ofc, and made monster mush

[rotund gust]

theres also this

maybe its the silent expanse being darkened?

[fallow heart]

That was before war actually had any influence tho

[winged narwhal]

Was the Light Forest like that pre portal?

[tepid blade]

True, as the light had control over elven society even before the portal opened

[warm flicker]

light forest is pre portal i think

[regal spire]

Corruption does exist, though, because of what lay beyond the portal. It’s an influence like dark and light, though significantly more uncontrollable, which leaves Ana to her ambivalence of it all

[regal spire]

It did

[rotund gust]

the portal opening was the 2nd time the portals opened

[regal spire]

Wrong message

[rotund gust]

they were opened before

[regal spire]

It was

[mossy badge]

I mean it can't exist on earth

[warm flicker]

light forest and silent expanse are examples of light/dark influence before the portals opened in 0 ap

[mossy badge]

Without the portal 1st

Like tf is the point of portal if u dont need it

[regal spire]

I think it’s better to say that it can’t spread

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lol

[regal spire]

Because, surely it had to have something there beforehand.

[fallow heart]

Pretty sure yeah
If you go back to the adoreis secret cutscene you can prob see it

[mossy badge]

Wdym?

In the location of the portal there was just stone

[regal spire]

SE shows that the portal itself was there, and caused some kind of break around itself, while the light forest shows that the guardian of the forest had some kind of influence to the surrounding area

[fallow heart]

2 confirms that war only started having influence when the portal kpened

And plus you can see the area around the portal being just stone when it first appeared

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(for the 2nd time)

[regal spire]

I mean to say that, whether some red rocks, or noticeable lava pools, I think it had to have existed very slightly. Not spreading, but just kinda there

[fallow heart]

Well it would have been the first time the corruption portal opened

[mossy badge]

Eh

[mossy badge]

Well ye

[rotund gust]

portals were open, stopped being open, anathema formed, then 0AP they opened again

the queen also mentions it in postraid dialogue but i don't have that doc saved

[warm flicker]

the silent expanse was destroyed when a fireball, possibly from the dern beast, targetted the olmic city. I personally think Orphion did something similar, throwing the gylia meteors towards gavel

[rotund gust]

to screenshot it

[regal spire]

Did the elves really cause it to open again?

This just seems like such an insane thing

[rotund gust]

yeah

[fallow heart]

Yeah

[mossy badge]

Crazy theory

[tepid blade]

Yeah

[tepid blade]

Would not surprise me

[rotund gust]

i think queen says that light and dark still held a little bit of influence, so orphion probably manipulated the elves to open it

so he could get back to conquering

[warm flicker]

the two deities throwing cosmic objects onto the earth to spread their influence seems plausible

[regal spire]

Oh Orphion

[tepid blade]

Makes sense

[regal spire]

Glad to see the elves aren’t entirely to blame

[rotund gust]

i mean prometheus is still stupid asf

[regal spire]

Orphion actually is lmao

[warm flicker]

Oh... Orphion the gaslighter caused this

[mossy badge]

Doesn't make sense for them to have those cosmic objects lol

[fallow heart]

Didn't they say that orphions vision was a warning?

[regal spire]

Bro was hopped on LED’s

[rotund gust]

hold on lemme find it

[regal spire]

He couldn’t think straight

[warm flicker]

had one too many blue mushrooms

[regal spire]

Council of shattered minds, ngl

[tepid blade]

Orphion once you think about the universes biggest gaslighter, even tried to gaslight into thinking it’s good

[rotund gust]

so like

with the context that orphion is also a conquerer

yeah

[mossy badge]

Is this a reference to the wynncraft quest "shattered minds" 🙀

[rotund gust]

orphion full on manipulated prometheus to open it

[tepid blade]

And in my theory, gaslight you into helping him get rid of Lari for being unloyal

[warm flicker]

"Hey Aldorei, your god Orphion is a master gaslighter hes no better than the Dern beast"

[winged narwhal]

Orphion simply wishes to help the people of the world

[fallow heart]

Funny that orphions manipulates the portals back to being opened only to be no diffed immediately after

[rotund gust]

yeah...

[regal spire]

Lari is no longer a bad character ngl. Orphion is just so genuinely fucking evil that I can’t even try to see Lari as selfish

[hollow lynx]

Orphion is the type of coworker who would tell you that the boss actually asigned Orphions work to you

[tepid blade]

I personally like Lari from the beginning, and the recent revelations has only made it easier to defend her actions

[rotund gust]

also orphion being evil makes the colossi's title of "protector" make far more sense.

My bets are, the colossi and all the ancient constructs were created to keep gavel safe FROM THE LIGHT

thats why theres no evidence of light past the canyon

[hollow lynx]

Let the lighg fade

[warm flicker]

@hybrid gazelle didnt u say something like this before?

[edgy loom]

when the emperor was assassinated

[regal spire]

I don’t like her/like her because she’s way too prideful, considering the circumstances

[rotund gust]

Trashie called evil orphion a long time ago

[edgy loom]

right fucking there

[hybrid gazelle]

yes it was my Gianttheory

[edgy loom]

humans COULD harness magic before the portal

[winged narwhal]

Lari’s writing isn’t perfect but a lot of people confuse characters not acting rationally with characters being badly written

[edgy loom]

the discoveries directly contradict each other

[regal spire]

Like, her ego is so insanely bloated that it literally eats her from the inside out

[tepid blade]

That’s fair, she is flawed, and her writing needs improvement

[warm flicker]

shes an elf they cant help it

[rotund gust]

it does make the shattering a bit weird though

like

[regal spire]

She’s miserable, and hates herself, but can’t stop, because she’s still clinging to her own selfishness

[hybrid gazelle]

my intereptation of the fracturing

is that the when the portal open

[edgy loom]

then hashr even goes ahead and says more people can harness magic

[rotund gust]

the colossi are designed to protect against the lights invasion, and then light starts its second invasion and their response is to destroy the fuckin world?

[regal spire]

It’s, like, the most interesting coping mechanism for an “antagonist”

[hybrid gazelle]

the colossi simply try to isolate the rest of the void into the void

[fallow heart]

Ok one question I still have
Orphion mentions a "she" that "feeds this senseless war"
I thought he was talking about anaheim, but shes explicitly against the war
So who is orphion talking about?

[hybrid gazelle]

in order to prevent further spread

[edgy loom]

unless like, the emperor's magic came from the scepter

[regal spire]

However, because she’s a protagonist, you need a way to redeem that side of her

[rotund gust]

i guess destroying gavel would destroy the light portal

and prevent the spread

[edgy loom]

oh wait

ok that's a facepalm, the discoveries work fine

[rotund gust]

the emperor just used a foci lmfao

bro was just like us frfr

[gleaming apex]

I figured that the Colossi just need regular maintenance of some kind so they kinda just started breaking down

[warm flicker]

the colossi were created to detect light magic, which was fine during the period when the portals were closed. But afterward, they started going berserk and the canyon colossus had to be repeatedly pacified due to the light magic everywhere

[hasty beacon]

Well the dark equivalent to orphion is a she

[edgy loom]

but the cursed probably still existed before portal so eh

[regal spire]

Tbf, they are not very smart golems

[cinder cedar]

With Orphion being the definition of Gaslight, Gatekeep, Grilboss, it's no wonder why the Light Monument in Luthos is...yea I don't like that

[hollow lynx]

Trust my the colossi are actually opening the void up to protect against the light

[rotund gust]

also that would explain why the canyon keeps out the dark parasites. It keeps out light and dark alike

[tepid blade]

That is one of the things I would like to see in the Dern expansion, as all evidence I find points to her being alive in dern

[regal spire]

They are similar to Anti, in that they just found the easiest solution

[fallow heart]

But here its about feeding the war
Not directly acting in it like dern beast is doing
It sounds like orphion is talking about another actor

[winged narwhal]

She feeds this senseless war by preventing the ultimate triumph of the Light

[warm flicker]

also i dont think destroying the world is what they were programmed for - they were targetting light's influence, it just so happened when they were activated all of Gavel was engulfed in light's influence

[fallow heart]

So more orphion manipulation so he can win ig

[hollow lynx]

Light and dark being weak against void is back on the menu

[rotund gust]

both light and dark LIVE IN THE VOID

[hollow lynx]

Stfu

[regal spire]

I’m excited for a RoL rework, because I’m hopeful that Lari will retain this ego driven perspective of herself, in tandem with Orphion, and maintain a similar aspect of that to her personality, without it coming out as arrogant. I think it needs to be depicted as destructive, and self-deprecating, because it’s a far more interesting/redeemable flaw that way

[hollow lynx]

But they can't do anything there

[rotund gust]

let lari be a dark scion

pleasee

[hollow lynx]

It's weakening them

[tepid blade]

True

[rotund gust]

it would be so funny

[mossy badge]

The void does nothing bro

Its literally nothing

[rotund gust]

void is empty space

[regal spire]

Like, Lari is very proud, and—ironically—it’s a huge source of her shame.

[winged narwhal]

By killing the Queen, we allow Orphion to achieve her ultimate victory

[fallow heart]

2 states they're the light's

[rotund gust]

they can't fight in it cause theres nothing in the void to fight over

[tepid blade]

I don’t we will have an evil or corrupt Lari, as we already had that friend turned into enemy plot with Tasim in Fruma

[regal spire]

Just make it a bit more clear as that, and you’ve got a golden character fr

[rotund gust]

n o i mean like

lari gets captured

and becomes a dark scion

[fallow heart]

What about the void villagers?
I thought the void warped them in some way

[gleaming apex]

Cool thing that could happen in the future if the theory's correct: We get access to the realms of light and dark, and we call in the CC from the top ropes with a steel chair to dunk on the beasts

[regal spire]

Also, fix Orphion, please, he’s the actual fucking failure in RoL

[lusty glacier]

CC?

[fallow heart]

Lari's emo phase

[rotund gust]

either Bob or Lari is gonna be a dark scion mark my words

one of the two

[mossy badge]

Ig it does something then !

[gleaming apex]

Canyon Colossus

[rotund gust]

OR SUI

[hollow lynx]

He's pretty good at lying

[rotund gust]

SUI BECOMES DARK SCION

[lusty glacier]

how strong is he?

[rotund gust]

EVIL SUI

[hybrid gazelle]

imbuing your enemy with your own power sound

[hollow lynx]

Fuck no

[hybrid gazelle]

really dumb actually

[hollow lynx]

I need Sui

[regal spire]

He’s also good at not doing anything, and dying

[tepid blade]

Bob PLEASE HE HASNT HAD LORE IN FOREVER

[rotund gust]

i mean, he has implied lore kinda sorta now

[tepid blade]

HE NEEDS SOMETHING TO DO

[hollow lynx]

I mean the parasite is beating him

[winged narwhal]

Lari has swapped sides to the dark after her offscreen enemies to lovers arc with Bak’al

[warm flicker]

"Dogun chiefs, I come for a favor. Can I borrow the Colossus to beat up two primordial deities?"

[fallow heart]

How so?

[regal spire]

Bros the king of riddles, and decided speaking in clues was better than saying “please for the love of me kill this purple prick”

[rotund gust]

hold on lemme

find it

[regal spire]

Objectively understandable. Orphion sucks ass, and DB is cool

Bro gets shit done

[fallow heart]

No you don't understand
He has to aurafarm and be nochalant
Can't be caught lackin

[winged narwhal]

Orphion is good, Orphion is pure, Orphion is greater

[regal spire]

Bro lacked with tape worms for 1000 years

[rotund gust]

its in the postraid dialogue for the queen

[fallow heart]

A worthy sacrifice

[regal spire]

Make the parasite a tape worm 👹

Have it hang out of—

[hasty beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[regal spire]

…

[steep forum]

where is this exactly?

[regal spire]

☹️

[warm flicker]

to be fair im pretty sure the parasite only infected orphion some 200 years ago

[regal spire]

It was eating gavel for 1000 years, at least

[tepid blade]

The fortress in the mistwoods

[rotund gust]

bob disappears to seal the darkness in 985 AP, which fits the "better part of two decades"

[hasty beacon]

And it only got to kander?

[steep forum]

yes but that specific candle

[regal spire]

Tbf, it is a small bug

[warm flicker]

lari and dulla were battling it for 1000 years, but it only infected orphion and caused the decay 200 years ago, could be getting my gavel lore wrong tho

[regal spire]

And dirt is chewy

[tepid blade]

Don’t know

[regal spire]

Honestly, I haven’t read the dialogue in RoL in a while

[hybrid gazelle]

remember TNA olm theory?

THey turning Bob into anotehr TNA 😭

[regal spire]

It could’ve been 200 years, a thousand, I’m not sure rn. Ik it emerged 1000 years ago, though

[rotund gust]

vaguely

remind me

whats the tldr

[tepid blade]

The decay has existed for longer than Orphion has been infected, if I remember correctly

[hybrid gazelle]

The theory is that TNA is an olm who got mutated

[tepid blade]

TNA?

[hybrid gazelle]

in Dern

[rotund gust]

oh

yeah maybe i guess

[mossy badge]

Nameless anomaly

[tepid blade]

Ah

[rotund gust]

Idk i think Bob Battery is a funny name for the theory. They got the mf hooked up to the CONTRAPTION

[hybrid gazelle]

next time we see Bob 😭

[regal spire]

It looks more like a giant olm skull that’s controlled by a crystal, which is what I thought TNA was

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/xenosaga-kos-mos-contraption-meme-gif-13913700112302630969

thats what they did to bob

[regal spire]

Ensemble of Hope had one of those

[fallow heart]

Im hoping we actually meet bob in dern

[tepid blade]

Same

[lusty glacier]

i assume we will

[hybrid gazelle]

also ngl

[mossy badge]

Doesn't even 1shot smh

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah now that somepoine point it out

wtf happen to Bob

[rotund gust]

yeah its just a matter of what state bob will be in when we find him

[mossy badge]

My flesh is too strong

[regal spire]

Bob has lived through way too much

[rotund gust]

we have no idea

[versed glade]

He went to dern

[hybrid gazelle]

and the date give nby Anathema imply Bob disapperance has something to do with dark having the advantage

I know wtf happen to Bbo

I just mean

[tepid blade]

He went to Dern, and his grave showed up

[regal spire]

Bro deserves a dirt nap; poor guys doesn’t get to sleep

[hybrid gazelle]

what happen to Bob in Dern

[lusty glacier]

the last stuff we know is that he was going to dern to seal away the beast using his life

[tepid blade]

Dern expansion will probably tell us

[fallow heart]

I find it interesting that realm of darkness has a name (dern) and realm of light doesn't

[rotund gust]

idk, maybe bob got brainwashed and became a dark scion, maybe he had his power drained, maybe his attempt to seal darkness did the opposite and gave it more freedom

[hybrid gazelle]

HOLY SHIT NO WAY

[mossy badge]

Ye

[hybrid gazelle]

REALLY???

NO CAP???

[regal spire]

The existence of reincarnation, and the fake bobs tomb is such an insanely silly thing

[hybrid gazelle]

I know

I fucking know

[tepid blade]

Stating the obvious as usual

[hybrid gazelle]

I just saying what could happen to Bob in Dern

[regal spire]

Why did Nilrem make a fake Bob boss fight in a heaven realm

[hasty beacon]

Lern

[warm flicker]

trashie ur not going to believe this, but i think caid is rex's brother

[hybrid gazelle]

No fucking way

[rotund gust]

bak'al got bob hooked up to the torture nexus in dern

[hybrid gazelle]

Next time you telling me is that Zhiraok and Gale are related

[regal spire]

And why did he lock it behind bob’s animal’s skins

[rich scarab]

you're never gonna believe this........

[rotund gust]

trashie... i think the wastelands is gonna have oru in it

[hybrid gazelle]

NO WAY

[rich scarab]

something tells me gikyo might be a changeling guys

[tepid blade]

Okay wild idea, if lari was imprisoned , and we have to go save her in Dern, the person who is guarding were every she is will be Bob

[rotund gust]

the gikster

[mossy badge]

Nah hes just a great cosplayer

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider Dern

[regal spire]

I’ve got a theory that the road to Dern might be near the abandoned mines

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Lari is more than captured

[versed glade]

He lost to the dernic beast and was tortured until he gave up and became a scion

[rich scarab]

my bad gang it appears i've spread some misinformation on the internet

[hybrid gazelle]

Dern Beast proably finding a way to use her

[regal spire]

There’s this really weird entrance to the right of the place that just looks like a path

[edgy loom]

does this make any sense

it's about wynn

isn't the wynn population remnants of the fruman colonies

[regal spire]

No, it doesn’t

But, then again, it does

[tepid blade]

Yeah, probably look to find some weakness to exploit in the light, or Bak’al could be doing that

[edgy loom]

like, I don't think frumans could even migrate if they wanted to

[warm flicker]

i dont think this has been updated with fruma lore yet

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al comfirm to have PhD

[edgy loom]

it's the llevigar library

[regal spire]

Because it’s history written by people 500 years after all hell broke loose, and can’t properly hold records

[mossy badge]

Doesn't "colony" mean there was ppl there before

[hybrid gazelle]

so he might be do some experimenting

[uneven basin]

Is this llevigar's library ?

[gleaming apex]

New idea: ||Saphanis|| has a changeling scion who wasn't stupid and just copied them instead of random people.
Infinite power glitch

[edgy loom]

yeah

[winged narwhal]

Can’t wait for the reveal that two is not a scion of Corruption but a scion of Light

[regal spire]

Makes even more sense, cause they got the info from Wynn

[uneven basin]

Villagers are Stoopid there solved it

[regal spire]

And Wynn is a province of people who literally cannot keep records, due to the war

[tepid blade]

I have a wild theory in that Bak’al is going to try to extract the light from Lari and use it for himself

[regal spire]

And fruma has been closed

[whole river]

Villagers are highkey the most successful race in Wynn

[regal spire]

Gavel*

[mossy badge]

What is this villager propaganda

[regal spire]

Also, the Doguns would be far more prosperous, if not for the Dwarves

[edgy loom]

hold up... this lowk makes sense

[regal spire]

The realm of dwarf’s beast

[winged narwhal]

I mean, who owns Wynnexcavation? Humans?

[edgy loom]

fruma does withhold magic

[whole river]

Wynn* too

They mass funding their own colonization there

[warm flicker]

scion of the Gambling Beast

[whole river]

They control almuj

[mossy badge]

Gambling beast 🤑

[regal spire]

The king of Troms, ofc

[mossy badge]

Is my fav beast

[winged narwhal]

Villagers in Wynn seem to be somewhere between colonists and a merchant minority

[uneven basin]

Call me back when they invent chainsaws and vending machines

[rotund gust]

im so upset that i don't have his pronouns are they them gikyo saved

[regal spire]

King of Frauds, more like

[whole river]

They don’t need to, they own majority stock in those inventions

[mossy badge]

Why do we even have nb characters in wonncraft, not like they have gender constructs do they

[regal spire]

They invented emeralds, i think, until their greed opened the portals

[rotund gust]

wonncraft

[whole river]

Yeah wait I realize the villagers have the troms king on a leash too

[warm flicker]

[uneven basin]

The realm of gender

[winged narwhal]

Who needs chainsaws when you have security cameras

[regal spire]

You mean the Burger King?

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/smiley-face-burger-king-burger-king-happy-burger-king-whopper-burger-king-racism-gif-935276361237906854

[rotund gust]

also has anyone checked if the Resurrected Head has any dialogue in fruma

since talking mushroom does

[winged narwhal]

I mean characters do call each other he and she and they

Gender as a social construct is still present in Wynn

[whole river]

Who would win a powerful city state that’s militarized and heavily defensible or one villager side-villain

(It’s the villager)

[rotund gust]

granted resurrected heads dialogue isn't as fun as talking mushrooms

[gleaming apex]

Can't wait for the day they redo wynnexcavation

[hybrid gazelle]

as long as concept of musclinity and femininity exist there will be someone who bound to not feel associate with both end of the spectrum

[regal spire]

And there’s, like, no working dialogues anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

thus they would fall somewhere else

so non binary will always exist

[winged narwhal]

Amadel will be a god, don’t you know

[rotund gust]

wait did they remove it

[regal spire]

Revan’s head is still in my inventory, though

[tepid blade]

Yes, the “I love roughworks” shirt person is NB