📚lore_discussion

[brittle prism]

huh

i mean

[signal bough]

yes, there are less villagers than humans, and there's not enough people from non human and non villager races to make them a plurality

[winged narwhal]

Villagers are a definite minority in Wynn

[brittle prism]

Who is santa's father? Where does Santa come from? How old is Santa? Why is he on craftsmas island?

[winged narwhal]

They seem to be a merchant minority

[brittle prism]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[warped cargo]

enough to be on first name basis with the owner. and with how shy she was at the start i don't think thats because she's very talkative.

[signal bough]

the kingdom of ragni does have the most villagers, with two villager-populated settlements

[winged narwhal]

Kingdom of Ragni?

Isn’t Ragni a city state

[signal bough]

no, it has a king

[brittle prism]

It has a king

the King of Ragni

[warped cargo]

i thought ragni, nemract, and detlas were all part of the same kingdom

[azure tangle]

where

[brittle prism]

maybe?

All of wynn seems to be in a military confederation or alliance of some sort

[exotic bough]

coords are in image

[brittle prism]

most*

[signal bough]

I believe Detlas, Elkurn, Nivlah, Nemract, and Almuj are part of the same political entity

[azure tangle]

thanks, where did you enter from

[rich scarab]

wynn's whole political state is kinda weird, i dont think theres really any particularly well established distinctions between the different places

[warped cargo]

was it a king or a mayor in hunters calling?

[signal bough]

with Ragni, Troms, and Nesaak+Lusuco being the largest groups separate from this

[warped cargo]

for almuj

[signal bough]

mayor

[warped cargo]

alright, then its probably the same kingdom as the rest

[brittle prism]

It's possible they're all city states

[shut hornet]

this is the closest u get to canon art of sui and she is built normal

[azure tangle]

it wasnt almuj it was Aikas (VIP Town) and Troms i believe

[shut hornet]

stop being deranged

[digital swan]

the province of wynn refers to wynn pre-Battle of the Nivla Forest
after that point all the settlements had been wiped by Corruption so presumably in modern day wynn 150 years later most of the rebuilt settlements were set up by ragni soldiers rolling east while they were cleaning up corrupteds

[brittle prism]

But also they all definitely have a unified military command

[signal bough]

Aikas is centuries rubble

[brittle prism]

Actually I think all of wynn has one

.

well that won't work

[warped cargo]

probably, but city states tend to fall under a single empire, even if they have a lot of individuality and often wage war against other city states in the same empire.

[azure tangle]

by Bak'al which comes after the time of the colonies no?

[brittle prism]

What if there's a secret Emperor of Wynn who lives in Wynn and plays Wynncraft

[signal bough]

yes but I doubt that political entity survives the coming of corruption

[azure tangle]

i mean, yeah

thats why its not here

[digital swan]

Detlas has no visible king for this reason. Although it's never mentioned in game, it's part of the Kingdom of Ragni, and is larger simply due to being a major trading town

[azure tangle]

but Aikas can still be a colony before Bakal destroyed it

[warped cargo]

how far east does llevigar's kingdom go?

[azure tangle]

seeing as the Tablets are pre Bakal as far as im aware

could be wrong

[lusty glacier]

i think troms and ragni were the only two remaining at some point?

[digital swan]

wait they changed it?

[exotic bough]

east i think

[digital swan]

did they change the name in Fruma?

pre fruma it was called Akias iirc

[azure tangle]

it still is

[digital swan]

improvement imo

Aikas is a better name for Scam Merchant Ville

[winged narwhal]

is this ever confirmed?

[signal bough]

Almuj prob held on

[warped cargo]

i assume to thesead but doesn't include thanos, aldorei, and the hive. ahmsordians are unsure if they are still part of gavel, which i take as not being part of the same kingdom.

[signal bough]

oh and Nemract I think canonically survived

[signal bough]

there's a villager federal republic

[winged narwhal]

Detlas has a separate army to Ragni, doesn't it?

[shut hornet]

iirc every single person from akias was killed in bak'al's raid which left no one to bring it back

[signal bough]

it does

[warped cargo]

they are connected, we are ragni recruits but trained in detlas

[shut hornet]

the lore says there was one survivor but its just a gag about the scam merchant

so it doesnt count

[winged narwhal]

i've always seen Wynn as like a loose confederacy of city states that's kinda military dominated

[digital swan]

imagine the world between 520 AP and 851 AP
the corruption is known to be as far north as Nemract and as far south as Nesaak and likely stretches from Nivla to Almuj
now Ragni beats back Bakal and pushes back the corruption all the way to the portal island

if you led ragni would you really allow those places to retain their sovereignty????

like

no

you are totally colonizing those areas

or in American english "liberating"

[azure tangle]

retconned: scam merchant just moved to Aikas problem solved

[brittle prism]

it's lore

trust me

[azure tangle]

Scam merchant isnt a native aikassin

[signal bough]

isnt it said that Ragni lost control over the Nivla woods after that and didnt regain it

[winged narwhal]

frankly i don't think Ragni can hold Detlas by force

[warped cargo]

salted's alt

[digital swan]

no 851 AP Bob beat Bakal iirc

or 856

on the western end of Nivla

[azure tangle]

886 was bob v bakal

[digital swan]

so they very nearly did lose the Nivla Woods but regained it eventually

[digital swan]

oh nvm then I remembered 85_

same thing different time tho

[azure tangle]

a lot of the discovery times are up in the air now though

like the bakal ones i think were said to be changed soon(tm)

his distructions that is

[digital swan]

at that point Detlas was shredded and non existent (check out the ruins in the secret discovery), Nemract was Nemract, literally no town had any human presence

[azure tangle]

Desert disovery date got changed

[warped cargo]

bob beating bak'al is treated as one of bob's big impressive things. but bak'al is such a massive fraud, got mid diffed by lari

[azure tangle]

whos got the image

[signal bough]

we know Rymek had humans then

[digital swan]

like if Ragni didn't set up all the modern towns while liberating central Wynn

who the fuck did

[digital swan]

Rymek is eastern wynn nobody fucking knows what happens in eastern wynn

[azure tangle]

no one cares about the canyon

something something hashyr

[digital swan]

yeah

If I had to guess

Western Wynn is all under the authority of the Ragni King

[digital swan]

Eastern Wynn may be under Almuj control unless Almuj was also hit, but Rymek is certainly its own thing

[azure tangle]

id think Almuj is its own entity

[digital swan]

Troms is an autonomous military zone, think OZAK/OZAV

[azure tangle]

Nesaak also might be stand alone but idk

[brittle prism]

Don't they have a king?

[signal bough]

yep, Troms has a king and a citizen of Ragni is NOT a citizen of Troms

[brittle prism]

yeah something like that

[digital swan]

yeah but let's be real Troms is so militaristic with all the soldiers in every street that it looks like the fuckass king is just Le Military Dictator

[signal bough]

OH!!

[winged narwhal]

i have something to tell you about a lot of kings

[signal bough]

biggest evidence I have

[digital swan]

so prob an autonomous zone with self government

[signal bough]

Tempo Town just petitioned to be annexed by Ragni

[warped cargo]

both nesaak and almuj have mayors instead of any sort of king or prime minister or ruling council

[digital swan]

normal kings can't lead armies for shit

[warm flicker]

this is what i imagined

[digital swan]

take a look at the Russians

[warm flicker]

(good luck reading red text on a green background )

[digital swan]

their kings were uh

one second lemme get the image

[winged narwhal]

I personally think the amount of state control outside of city walls in most of Wynn and Gavel is quite limited

[brittle prism]

City states don't always just have to be the city themselves, since the Polis in ancient greece also controlled the countrysides outside of them

[signal bough]

are there really that many bandits in the desert

[warped cargo]

nemract is definetly not independent, it's too poor and doesn't have its own standing army, and almuj and nesaak both have mayors instead of any sort of higher ruling body. ragni and detlas are either a federation or the same kingdom

[digital swan]

Tsar Nicholas and a guy with actual military brains

guess who is who

[graceful scarab]

is deleting wtp part of the lore

[signal bough]

also twain estate! formerly extant political entity!

[brittle prism]

yeah tempo town seems to be a part of the ragni kingdom

[warm flicker]

i made it based on the military command implied throughout the quests. For example, Tempo Town and Maltic both look to Ragni for aid, implying they are under the king's jurisdiction. Nemract I could not find any outside benefactor, so i assumed they would be independent

[brittle prism]

I imagine the twain estate would just be a large plot of land owned by the twains IN nessak

[signal bough]

actually it's up in the air

[warm flicker]

and yes, yes there is.

[signal bough]

they filled out the paperwork but they haven't gotten a response

[brittle prism]

Seems more like getting incorporated as a town than annexing themselves into a country

[signal bough]

no there's another line

[brittle prism]

huh

[digital swan]

twain estate and nesaak are the same thing
ever since theorick twain died, the leadership that replaced him probably took over the twain estate for a time and now it's still under nesaak rule (if private property of Alem)

got Kremlin'd

[winged narwhal]

this isn't universal, especially further back into medieval times.

Hell, a non negligible amount of kings especially during societal collapses were just dudes with an army

[digital swan]

yeah but I hate Tsar Nicholas and Victor Emmanuel III so much that I like keeping bona fide kings and crazy people with armies separate

daily VE3 hate session is later today btw

you should join

[rotund gust]

@shut hornet was it you had had the Great Balls of Fire Gikyo soundbite. I tried to search for it but story spoilers gone

[shut hornet]

selvut

[rotund gust]

oh

[shut hornet]

@quartz mist

[rotund gust]

i knew it was one of the S name CT

[digital swan]

was troms once part of wynn province and only split off as a result of corruption i forgor

[brittle prism]

troms is in wynn

[brittle prism]

right

[digital swan]

yeah but not part of any wynn province political entities

[rotund gust]

thank you

[brittle prism]

otherwise the king of ragni would be the king of wynn or smth

[rotund gust]

so much

[digital swan]

like almuj or ragni

[rotund gust]

lost media? no such thing

[brittle prism]

they'd just be troms

i dont think that map's done

[digital swan]

yeha but was it always that way or was it originally part of whateverthefuckcountry until corruption arrived, passage got cut off, and troms had to fend for itself

[signal bough]

I will do my best to finish the wynn part of my political map

[brittle prism]

they were a part of fruma 1200 years ago✨

[signal bough]

Lutho is a political entity...

[digital swan]

lutho's authority stops at its walls

[brittle prism]

Realm of Light protectorate

[signal bough]

yes

[signal bough]

no

they dont know do they

[brittle prism]

yes

[digital swan]

actually I should make a political map
how do I make a political map

[signal bough]

typical option: fill in wynntils map with colored shading

[winged narwhal]

does anyone have the full image of the wynntils map on hand i want to make a little smthn

[brittle prism]

The realms should be considered political entities because they're led by sentient creatures

[signal bough]

I will consider them entities, but I will not consider them political entities

[digital swan]

do you have full wyntils map

cuz I don't

have an image saved of it

[warm flicker]

lutho has no governing body, hell, they have no residents WITH EYES

[brittle prism]

if everyone in monaco is playing VR is monaco a country

[signal bough]

Point of No Return shows that they're fine

[warm flicker]

not even in the VR world do they have a governing body, its literally communal living

[tribal crystal]

Ok after looking at the all the secret discoveires... Seems the queens biggest blunder was soverign caetal

[warm flicker]

i guess u can argue lutho is a city-state, but a full on political entity im not sure

[slim belfry]

what if they somehow wanted to go back but cant because their body already died

[signal bough]

sucks to suck

[warm flicker]

their bodies are (mostly) fine, theyre being kept alive by the monolith

they just dont want to

its as easy as stepping through a portal to go back, just none of them ever do

[slim belfry]

what about the toxic waste ones

[signal bough]

I just need to come up with a silly name

[primal anchor]

how are there corkian amplifiers in fruma when no corkian has ever entered fruma since the escape

[warm flicker]

skill issue

[warm flicker]

clearly these are fruman insulators and the corkians just stole the blueprints (when they escaped) and manufactured them under their own name

[slim belfry]

gameplay

[primal anchor]

based, fuck IP

[brittle prism]

corkus the guy invented them of course

they're not from corkus!

[slim belfry]

maybe in lore they could be roughworks amplifiers

industrial amplifiers

[signal bough]

silly political name: Cheerful Territories of Craftsmas

[winged narwhal]

trade

[slim belfry]

what trade

[warm flicker]

Santa's Workshop world conquest when

[brittle prism]

Realm of Craftsmas?!

[winged narwhal]

i thought fruma had some amount of trade with wynn/the wider world

[slim belfry]

nope

completely closed off

[winged narwhal]

the chariot driver stuffs his pockets full of them every trip

[slim belfry]

this is why fruma relies on its regions for internal trade

[winged narwhal]

i mean you also find amplifiers in SE, i suppose

[warm flicker]

through Silverbull lootruns/raids, i doubt theres much to think about there

[brittle prism]

maximizing exports, minimizing imports

[winged narwhal]

i have my doubts about how canon Silverbull operations are

[brittle prism]

fruma is mercantalist!

[grave heron]

why can't I pick up this ||candle|| for the secret discovery ||First wicker's spark||?

I did everything properly

[snow kiln]

You gotta build it first

[grave heron]

i did

[snow kiln]

Try /class

[grave heron]

ill try that soon

working on another secret discovery atm

[tribal crystal]

Any more new lore about gale besides a house divided?

[brittle prism]

||merry trofmas||

[tribal crystal]

rosetta stone

[brittle prism]

guys why didnt we just enter fruma through the ice carver mole cave into the highlands smh

[winged narwhal]

i feel like the de facto and de jure territory situation in Wynn is quite different

[brittle prism]

it would have been way funnier

[brittle prism]

didnt mean to reply to that

but why did we not hear rumors of the ice mole cave in the mountains? then our entrance into fruma would have been a lot easier fr

[rotund gust]

imagine some ragni kids go exploring for fun, end up deciding to climb the hill because in the distance they can see the stone slab, they climb up, make it up here, and then get executed for trespassing into fruma

[snow kiln]

High winds ig, I mean you can hear the sfx

[brittle prism]

then again invisible walls exist on top of mountains

[digital swan]

yo I'm bored should I try and make the most outlandish bullshit theories that still have a consistent logic and combine them into a lore doc of pure garbage

[brittle prism]

My favorite is the realm of Craftsmas theory

.

...

I'm not biased

[digital swan]

that's just Germany

[brittle prism]

Anyways its the theory that the realm of Craftsmas is actually the "sibling" of the realm of war

1

Ice stops corruption, and Craftsmas power is winter related

2

[digital swan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christkindlesmarkt,_Nuremberg

[tepid blade]

holy shit, it exists

the realm of craftsmans in real life

[brittle prism]

Santa's lore is weird, and I'm not sure if Santa's workshop is actually canonically in the nessak mountains or if it's ambiguous

So

That's room for the realm of Craftsmas

3

[tepid blade]

I would say no, but maybe

[digital swan]

population 2 million visitors per year

on just one German Christmas Market

and the Realm of Christmas is All Of Germany

[brittle prism]

||When Dern beast and light beast were chilling in space all chill there might have been a realm of peace AKA Craftsmas||

Also there's this map

Santa lives part time on Craftmas island so it could be a portal of sort

[digital swan]

VIRUS
.psd FILE

[brittle prism]

4

[digital swan]

what is this map

[brittle prism]

Craftsmas is a time of coming together and peace

[brittle prism]

Craftsmas island is kind of parallel? to the corruption portal, when considering the dern and light portals

[digital swan]

oh my explanation for that is Theory no. 52 which states that:

[brittle prism]

Also Santa would need a way to get back to his workshop

He uses the Craftmas portal!!

The secret 4th realm portal

[digital swan]

Assume that the portal to the Gateway Realm is a portal from a physical location to a physical location

[signal bough]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-toad-flex-twerk-gif-20357036

[digital swan]

Now, any such portal, purple doorway looking, is this Type I portal

[grave heron]

i figured it out

[azure tangle]

average wynncraft reading skill

[gleaming apex]

Gotta love shouted spoilers in chat

[dim plover]

@signal bough

[digital swan]

Then the Realm of Light portal, the circular holes in the ground, are Type II portals and must be from a physical to a realm location

[dim plover]

Topical reaction emote

[winged narwhal]

Does the nether portal not disprove this conclusively

[brittle prism]

5
Ice magic wouldn't make sense for Theorick Twain to be good at specifically if it was just water magic but frozen, so he could be using Craftsmas magic

Like Lari's light magic or Bak'al's corruption

[digital swan]

therefore:
The RoL portal is a Type II portal from the physical location of Light's Secret to the Realm location of the RoL
The TNA portal is a Type II portal from the physical location of Lutho to the realm location of some outlying part of Dern
The Gateway Portal is a Type I portal from the physical location of Gateway Island to the Gateway Passage
and therefore
The Corruption Portal is a Type I portal from the physical location of the corruption portal to another physical location which was at an earlier point overtaken with corruption and which will house the true Realm of War Type II portal.

[signal bough]

It’s a PHOTOSHOP file. Because I am a professional

[brittle prism]

what does this have to do with the Craftsmas portal in Craftsmas island ?!

[digital swan]

in other words, before the actual Realm of War, we might have a chance to see what the world would look like if corruption won

with a physical location that has been overrun

[digital swan]

the alternative is much cooler and would also make more sense

[brittle prism]

hu

[winged narwhal]

Why?

[digital swan]

think about it, where the fuck did the zombies come from

[brittle prism]

the ground

dead humans...

[winged narwhal]

Also isn’t the gateway to Dern vertical

[brittle prism]

raised by corruption

like that one farmer outside of ragni's stepdad

[digital swan]

that's a Type III portal
or a portal constructed artificially using realm beast magic instead of the natural well-like realm portals

[digital swan]

zombies are not native to the realm of war

[winged narwhal]

This seems unnecessarily complicated

[digital swan]

zombies are corrupted dead humans

[winged narwhal]

There are humans in Wynn

[digital swan]

so how would an army of zombies come through the portal?

[brittle prism]

Also why did both the type I nether portal, type II light portal, and type III darkness portal. activate at the same time after elder prometheus chopped down the wise tree

[brittle prism]

when does this happen?

[digital swan]

because they're not from the realm of war, they're from a place already completely corrupted

[digital swan]

the number of zombies in wynn is grossly unsustainable if those are just from people dying. Presumably most survivors live in the well protected cities and most of those people are burned to prevent zombification, as Farmer Cevalus says

[brittle prism]

Are you basing the numbers off the spawn rate?

I don't think the spawn rate game mechanics are very lore accurate

[digital swan]

people have been in cities for however many years

certainly since 886 AP

[winged narwhal]

Could the bulk of the zombies not be from the initial collapse

[digital swan]

if wynn province had 120 years to clean up the relatively small area of wynn, they would probably be either done by 950 AP or all dead

any adventurer or messenger moving around

will have to kill dozens of zombies

[winged narwhal]

Do we have confirmation Wynn zombies are easy to kill

[digital swan]

and even if the cities are packed, how many messages are passed around the province every day? in 120 years, they should have totally cleared up enough zombies to make at least some areas open

[snow kiln]

Ig the quest where we go back to fruma and the players like woah so ez

When killing those tutorial zombies

[winged narwhal]

I mean like do they stay dead

[snow kiln]

Also about that tutorial

How in the world has fruma been sending new recruits if the bridge is broken and the tunnel is caved in

[digital swan]

I think so
otherwise they'd be back up much faster

like they just wouldn't go down

[snow kiln]

Like u telling that since the player left no new recruits made it to Wynn?

[tepid blade]

I mean, aren't the tutorial zombies literally called weak zombies? so they shouldn't be used a measurement

[slim belfry]

we learned that the broken stuff are intentional from the driver and guards I think?

[snow kiln]

The cave in is defo not intentional

[tepid blade]

also normally zombies aren't between the Fruma gate and Ragni if I remeber correctly

[grave heron]

got any translations?

[snow kiln]

Cause it wasn't removed for the new recruits

[slim belfry]

cave in probably isnt

[snow kiln]

There's a thread with a doc in this channel

[snow kiln]

Yeah so like, how have they been sending in new recruits for like the past month player has been active lmfao

[slim belfry]

shrug

[digital swan]

In any case, if the nether portal is to another corrupted location, zombified things from there can reinforce zomber numbers

[grave heron]

ty

[snow kiln]

I don't see why this would be the case when we can literally see annis in row

[neat oriole]

secret passage 💯

we might go through another route somehow idk

[warm flicker]

post-raid question: ||would it be an actually viable strategy to close the Corruption Portal with the resonate weaver?||

[digital swan]

if an area's fully corrupted, there's no resistance
annis can exit the portal

[snow kiln]

Then the dude who had no food would have gotten food

[neat oriole]

erm idk

which dude without food

[snow kiln]

The guy you see when u exit the new tunnel you made

[signal bough]

Bovemism must be a Gavellian religion given the crypts

[snow kiln]

He says he's been rationing and is running outta food

[digital swan]

presumably in a fully corrupted world annis are probably lumbering around everywhere

[neat oriole]

ah ic ic

[lunar jungle]

Do Point of No Return and Apotheosis ||(the section where Two shows your inner reflection as being blank) conflict lore wise? Since you have a distinct soul and reflection in point of no return but two shows you have none. Or am I just misinterpreting it?||

[neat oriole]

i don’t think i’ve ever met the r guy

[snow kiln]

It's not the soul that 2 alludes to buuuuut we dunno what it is

[neat oriole]

maybe i’m not attentive enough

[snow kiln]

Stupid metaphors

[tepid blade]

You still have your soul, it even mentions you have one in ||Apotheosis but you still remain empty inside, but we don't know enough about it yet for conclusive answers||

[rotund gust]

i mean, it’s been a thousand years since the portal opened, and who knows how many ancient undead were revived as part of the corruption aswell. Also in lore wynn is bigger then it is in gameplay, and at one point it was probably more densely populated seeing as how many ruins lay around wynn (imagine how many ruins haven’t survived the last thousands years).

[slim belfry]

you see a reflection of your soul twice
the first being kinda an evil version of it with the second being the real one

[digital swan]

ig mabye but also just imagine if like. just an area where it's like a world where a few hardy human survivors are holding out against the rest of the world fully corrupted
not necessary yes but it would be peam

[winged narwhal]

You telling me the canon Wynn isn’t like 2km across

[digital swan]

wynn towns are a couple meters in size

[slim belfry]

canon wynn is like

at least 10x larger than ingame

[winged narwhal]

This is known as Wynn Province

[snow kiln]

More like a 1000 lmfao

[slim belfry]

because most things in wynn use real life size proportions

[digital swan]

no, like the entire world is all like the terrain near the portal

[snow kiln]

Most irl cities are like 2k across or larger

[digital swan]

presumably that's the endgame of a corruption infestation

[slim belfry]

true places like maltic would still be large meter-wise like the tiny rural towns

[lunar jungle]

lootrunning is non canon right
I'm not sure what it would even look like if it were lmao

[snow kiln]

Yeah like the canyon that no one cares about is likely Grand canyon size irl 😭

[tepid blade]

I would not be surprised if it is not canon

[karmic pewter]

yall... if AP is after portal what is IA?

[snow kiln]

Silverbull company not cannon iirc?

[winged narwhal]

Why does Wynn have so many tribes

[tepid blade]

I think invention age or something similar

[slim belfry]

anything silverbull except the actual company and HQ is likely not-canon

[warm flicker]

Industrial Age, its the current era in Fruma (began in 880 AP), its currently 120 IA

[tepid blade]

Well the raids are, but not their rewards

[snow kiln]

Fruma uses a different year system to us

[snow kiln]

Well yeah raids existed before silverbulls and are all quest related

[azure tangle]

probably in the sense like raids and dungeons are. In lore you can do it once, but as a game you can do it multiple times

[slim belfry]

corkian amps in fruma...

[azure tangle]

like canonically, clearing the caves happens

then the repeat part is the lootrun

[winged narwhal]

Cant wait for the Wynnex revamp to make them a Silverbull subsidiary instead of the gavelex junk

[tepid blade]

well getting rewards from completing them is what I meant

[lunar jungle]

The only way I could potentially see lring being canon is if it were a mercenary company sending individuals out to disrupt important enemy operations, steal magical equipment, and scavenge supplies from the fallen

Or smrh

[tepid blade]

not the rewards themselves

[snow kiln]

Good headcannon

[lusty glacier]

is the repetition of raids canon? or in lore do we do them once?

[slim belfry]

I think silverbull can do that as it is

[digital swan]

Racism purposes

[slim belfry]

only once

[snow kiln]

Can't kill something that's dead

[tepid blade]

once, it wouldn't make much sense to kill the parasite on Orphion twice

[snow kiln]

Orphions got immortal ticks theory

[digital swan]

there's like Tylo from that one quest and then the only people with non white skin are in tribes

[warm flicker]

nah its canon for me, i just like beating orphion up

[lusty glacier]

i mean we see lesser parasites in the raid as well, perhaps they just mature and attack orphion one by one

[snow kiln]

Salted flexing his inner french colonist with this one

[slim belfry]

me when the 5+ species and race dispute quests 😭

[tepid blade]

I do like beating the shit out of the bastard

[winged narwhal]

Where did the people of Ragni come from canonically

[snow kiln]

Fruna

[slim belfry]

troubled tribesmen is probably the worst case

[digital swan]

I mean yes they're gonna mention all that but with something safer like interspecies relations lol

[tepid blade]

All of humanity is from Fruma in canon

[lusty glacier]

what about villagers?

[digital swan]

do we know the races of staff and CT btw

[winged narwhal]

Then where are the generic racist tribes from

[tepid blade]

Gavel

[warm flicker]

Gylia plains

[digital swan]

they're all white or?

[snow kiln]

No lmfao we don't know anything about them

[slim belfry]

I doubt it

[snow kiln]

Ain't our business to

[winged narwhal]

Its impressive, honestly, how Wynn has three separate kinda racist tribe areas

[snow kiln]

?

Only three fym?

[winged narwhal]

Stereotyping different parts of the world

[digital swan]

i'm still surprised Fruma isn't just japan tbh

[winged narwhal]

Three separate human ones

[digital swan]

they actually locked in

[slim belfry]

it was an avatar ba sing se ref lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Brimminglar moving away from that so thst good

[winged narwhal]

I’m counting Troms plus Dernel as one

[snow kiln]

Which ones are you talking about?

[hybrid gazelle]

Canyon tribe

Canyon tribe exist

[tepid blade]

Which is the third? I now of the jungle and mesa tribes

[hybrid gazelle]

They sure do exist

[warm flicker]

ah yes the not-native-americans

[winged narwhal]

Bremminglar

[digital swan]

I've never watched avatar idk what that is lol

[snow kiln]

Bruh ts is Asia

[winged narwhal]

But I think bremminglar is less of a caricature these days

[brittle prism]

nuh uh

[hybrid gazelle]

I will be real I think removing them will be no issue at all lol

[brittle prism]

It's AMERICA

[warm flicker]

new yorker spotted, nobody thinks of upstate when they see a maple forest

[hybrid gazelle]

Can we remove canyon tribe so we can have more quest a lot for bandits

[signal bough]

Fruma is the MOST CHINESE place in Wynncraft

[hybrid gazelle]

Please

[slim belfry]

in short
only early 1700s mainland china influence

[snow kiln]

Fym there's functional public transit?

[brittle prism]

I'm from California

😔

Hence boulder creek

[warm flicker]

im so sorry

[slim belfry]

sooooooooo discount Asia

it's okay I live here too

[signal bough]

I do think that the mistwoods are more Chinese than california

[snow kiln]

Fruma has east, west and south asian inspiration

[brittle prism]

They're redwoods...

[slim belfry]

^

[digital swan]

I mean like when I heard "asia province" I would have bet like a couple hundred on it being japan reference and uhhhhhhhhh that's it

[tepid blade]

Fruma is obviously a mix of many different place from south east asia for the most

[snow kiln]

Don't see much Russian stuff tho so no north asian things

[signal bough]

China has redwoods

[winged narwhal]

Do the canyon tribes serve any purpose other than generic Wild West setting caricature

[hybrid gazelle]

No

They do not

[digital swan]

does Rymek?

[brittle prism]

No?

[slim belfry]

also auburn reminds me of the autumn forests in east asia

[hybrid gazelle]

They literally serve no purpose beside one quest and secrect discovery

[snow kiln]

Holy american

[tepid blade]

not really, I think they have single quest but that's it

[digital swan]

idk if this sounds mean on ct

[brittle prism]

oh

[signal bough]

ofc the mistwoods trees are more comparable to chinese redwoods

[brittle prism]

dawn redwoods

[hybrid gazelle]

I think you can just remove canyon tribe with 0 consequence

[brittle prism]

forgor

[signal bough]

sorry, but there's a SD

[hybrid gazelle]

Just one

[snow kiln]

But but... Cowboys 🦅🤠

[hybrid gazelle]

Like omg who care

[digital swan]

I'll be nicer
Japan and Korea and maybe like a small amount of China

[warm flicker]

heres what i think:
Espren: New England
Frog Bog: Everglades
I.D: new york (real for that one)
Mistwoods: Pacific Northwest
Highlands: idk the DC suburbs?
Aelumia: DC

[signal bough]

the canyons are japanese

[hybrid gazelle]

Bandits already exist so like

[snow kiln]

Highlanders are Persian tho?

[hybrid gazelle]

They can do their things

[tepid blade]

Are they?

[slim belfry]

shhhh let them do american comparison first

[snow kiln]

Have you been to hyloch?

[digital swan]

I was saying, when I was first told of "Asia based province" I thought it would be just that

[warm flicker]

mmm id love a pre-2018 fruma that was basically not-Japan and it was full of fetch quests and the final boss was the wither

[digital swan]

I'm surprised it isn't

[tepid blade]

Yeah, wasn't questioning you, just I didn't know

[snow kiln]

Persia is Asia.

[hybrid gazelle]

I though ct said highland was inspired by India/phillipines

[winged narwhal]

Rymek isn’t nonsensical in lore and a racist pan-Native American caricature

[snow kiln]

The quest literally has you buy west asian garments?

[warm flicker]

it looked very Tibetan, wouldnt be surprised if that was also part of their inspiration

[snow kiln]

Persia includes modern day india

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah

Fuckkkk

[digital swan]

well yeah I never said it was a bad surprise

[slim belfry]

yes but ngl that's more industrial district to me

[digital swan]

I quite like it

[tepid blade]

But they look closer to east Asian garments, like a kimono for Sui?

[hybrid gazelle]

Industrial district combine all Asian capital at one

[snow kiln]

Oh, needa use emoticons cause tone hard to communicate

[winged narwhal]

Well at least there’s a cultural continuum there

[hybrid gazelle]

The pollution of Bangkok

Tbe toxic work environment of Japanese/korea

[snow kiln]

It's closer to the Indian saree

[digital swan]

I'm just (pleasantly) surprised it wasn't the narrow slice of Asia that a lot of people seem to think is all of Asia

[slim belfry]

this is so true

[warm flicker]

the pollution of new delhi, the overcrowdedness of new delhi, the cheap labor industry of new delhi, all of the asian capitals

[tepid blade]

I think either could be true, not a lot of detail on a minecraft skin

[slim belfry]

SEE

[snow kiln]

Welcome to the rough works: the worst of asia.

[hybrid gazelle]

Truly CT never invent morr disturbing location

[brittle prism]

wait isn't there an albino redwood in the mistwoods

[hybrid gazelle]

Highland is just breeding ground for Asian parents

[slim belfry]

all bad parts of asia in one region lol

[tepid blade]

yes

[slim belfry]

yeah no frickin wonder ||gale|| left

[hybrid gazelle]

Like people who “omg highland is so easy to live in”

Bro it’s spawn point for Asian parents

It equally bad as otjer region

[brittle prism]

ain't those only in coastal redwoods

[signal bough]

was anyone else surprised to see how modern the roughworks were compared to the auburn forest

[lusty glacier]

whos that?

[winged narwhal]

Imagine Fruma with slabspam

[signal bough]

at most there was like, one guy with a gun

[snow kiln]

Her mom be looking like the person you RUN from in a kdrama

[signal bough]

and then you walk in, boom, vending machines

[brittle prism]

qira hive 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🕷️ 🕷️ 🕷️ 🕷️

[tepid blade]

what do you mean by slabspam?

[snow kiln]

House divided SD

[hybrid gazelle]

Her bloodline is so Asian

I can FEEL hte burden of expectation by looking at them

[warm flicker]

fruma but it uses the same oak wood/cobblestone design the rest of old Wynncraft used

[digital swan]

on the other hand, if you put that many asian groups in an area as small as Fruma you'd have 2 genocides and a few wars

[hybrid gazelle]

You are lucky that ct did not make Asian parents mob in highland

[digital swan]

up to the reader to determine who and who

[snow kiln]

Well no cause queen.

[hybrid gazelle]

That might be worse than wooly rhino

[tepid blade]

lmao

[brittle prism]

Queens propaganda was right

[snow kiln]

Asian parents riding wooly rhino?

[slim belfry]

yeah maybe the queen was onto something

[hybrid gazelle]

Hitler did come alive, huh?

[snow kiln]

Nein

[digital swan]

pbox pb? unit 731 pb

[hybrid gazelle]

You know the queen is a villain

Because she responsible for so many Asian parents in fruma

actually

She is Asian parent herself

[warm flicker]

too hot to be a villain

[digital swan]

the queen is the queen of all asian parents

[snow kiln]

Born to be a tiktoker, forced to be the pseudo guardian for the world

[tepid blade]

The Queen would create unit 731 if she thinks it can be used against Orphion and Saphanis

[hybrid gazelle]

The overwhelming expectation of an Asian parents It

The toxicity of Christian parents

[hybrid gazelle]

Truly no worse villain in wynncraft

Idk how Dern Beast will top this

[digital swan]

who she using for the experiments

[tepid blade]

like just a bunch of slabs everywhere?

[snow kiln]

Where is this what am I looking at?

[warm flicker]

looks so good i couldnt tell if this was troms or cinfras

[warped cargo]

what do you all think is the mourning within the emptiness inside the player? it cant be mourning something like all the people we have lost, because it says we don't recognize it but our soul does.

[winged narwhal]

Cinfras

[snow kiln]

Oh is this how it used to look like?

[hybrid gazelle]

Also can we point out how

They probably need to remake their architecture for the queen

[tepid blade]

Bro what that looks unrecognizable to the current one

[winged narwhal]

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Who is like 4 blocks tall?

[digital swan]

real shit tho if a single person ever managed to make the entire population of asia not want to kill each other they might(?) be the goat

[hybrid gazelle]

Imagine habe to fix your fucking door frame befause her Majesty pay you a visit

[snow kiln]

Rip I think the only place that still looks like this is the realm of death 💀

[winged narwhal]

I joined close to gavel reborn so I only got to see old Cinfras once

[tepid blade]

don't mention this in front of Trashie

[warm flicker]

thats what the guards are for: they escort you to the queen who has a nice 4 meter tall doorway wherever she goes

[tepid blade]

the realm of death or the quest associated with it

[hybrid gazelle]

The fruma queen shape door

[snow kiln]

Oh neo he's here I think

[tepid blade]

I know, I can see

[hybrid gazelle]

Honeslty it so funny how john gluk as a name do not stick at all

[warm flicker]

quick someone talk about how good the writing for the ROL questline is!!

[winged narwhal]

I got this from a 1.20 comparison thread so here’s the side-by-side

[hybrid gazelle]

Despite her majesty has no actual name

[signal bough]

Nemract and death's realm has no wood so its better

oh and selchar

[snow kiln]

Lmfao yeah wait what

[digital swan]

no the guards cut holes in every door for the queen and then guards go behind her and fix the broken door

[hybrid gazelle]

Her majesty literally has no name

[tepid blade]

I would, but it isn't really that good, I say this a Lari defender, it needs improvement

[slim belfry]

||queen anathema|| but even that is not really a real name

[hybrid gazelle]

||Anathema is probably her real name||

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah nobody call her that

[snow kiln]

No like what name would her people have used

[hybrid gazelle]

They just call her majesty

[snow kiln]

Do they legit only call her queen

[slim belfry]

her majesty

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably just the Queen

[slim belfry]

or the queen

[hybrid gazelle]

Or her majesty

That it

[digital swan]

If the Nameless gets "Greg"
I think the Queen deserves "Jimmy"

[slim belfry]

the fruman queen

[snow kiln]

Had no one ever wondered

That's hilarious

[hybrid gazelle]

There only one queen so why bother with the name

She is THE queen

[signal bough]

vro never chose a cool name 💔

[hybrid gazelle]

To be fair I don’t think anyone wonder what God actual name is

[dim plover]

I just call her Queen tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

We just call him God

[dim plover]

Not even The Queen just Queen

[warm flicker]

ugh id love a nemract rework, maybe redesign it to look like something out of a Lovecraft story if they want to focus on the death/decay aspects? Or maybe redesign it to actually have some wealth considering its the sole port connecting Wynn to the rest of the world

[slim belfry]

jane gluk

[dim plover]

Like the Deltarune character

[tepid blade]

what do you mean? Jimmy is a good name

[signal bough]

I would say wealth

cause Nemract's brief history would be

[snow kiln]

I suppose so

[winged narwhal]

Her Majesty is the Queen in the same way the Abrahamic god is God

There’s only one

[digital swan]

YHWH?

[hybrid gazelle]

Also I loce how you can see her limbs being segmented

Like imagine how creepy that shit is to notice that detail

[tepid blade]

what do you mean wealth, that place has a 100% refugee population

[winged narwhal]

Why would you need to specify

[slim belfry]

oh yeah there's that lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Like imagine being average person and just notice the queen arm is segmented

[snow kiln]

God she got that insta filter waist wth

[slim belfry]

pretty sure Jewish people would NOT want to even see that message

[warm flicker]

a place where every house does not feel like it will collapse from a light wind, or actual defensive infrastructure

[signal bough]

Crappy swamp town too out of the way for the undead to kill->only port in wynn for at least 50 years->increasingly sidelined in favor of air travel

[digital swan]

I mean there's the full version which I'm not comfy typing

[brittle prism]

Jehovah.mm

[winged narwhal]

I mean, she literally has no internal organs

[digital swan]

I'll go that far and no further

[slim belfry]

that's what I mean this is cutting close

[brittle prism]

Idk there's no actual real name

Cause they forgot

[tepid blade]

aren't the guards named something like conscripts or something?

[hybrid gazelle]

The horror realization that the queen has is not the end of the hair prop up

It literally came from the side

[warm flicker]

yeah theyre conscripts, and the only defense they have is a wooden tower

[hybrid gazelle]

Queen hair is a fucking nightmare

[digital swan]

I say the full thing I'm gonna get struck by lightning

[tepid blade]

Wait, but aren't the butterfly wings in her hair not part of it in the game?

[warm flicker]

eh its sort of complicated, the God we know in the Old Testament is a combination of YHWH and El, so there is no one real name for God since it is an amalgamation of two deities

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s part of her hair Ywah

[digital swan]

@slim belfry hey at least if I get struck by lightning he's getting hit too

[hybrid gazelle]

But it came from the side

So I don’t even know how it look like if she did not set it up

[snow kiln]

Yeah but bak'al got unrealistic taste tho smh no wonder he's single

[tepid blade]

bro that's fucked up

[tepid blade]

LMAO, screw Bak'al man, that coward

[snow kiln]

Okay there's more than one reason

[winged narwhal]

You aren’t ready for Dern

[snow kiln]

Bak'al would drive a TRX irl and cut me off while going 80 in a school zone

[warm flicker]

am i the only one confused that we get one offhanded comment about bakal going to fruma at some point and it never being brought up again?

like huh?

[snow kiln]

Seph better be the hottest MF ever cause we're seriously lacking on wynncraft r34

[snow kiln]

Wdym going to fruma?

[warm flicker]

majin mentioned meeting bakal at some point

[snow kiln]

Excuse what?

[warm flicker]

ill try finding the quote

[snow kiln]

When was this dialogue

[tepid blade]

Okay but a theory I have which is based on another theory I saw someone else (I do not remeber who made, but it was about Bak'al planning to betray Saphanis for more power or something like that) But what if Bak'al captured Lari so he could possibily extract and use her light for himself?

[tepid blade]

He said he hated his face basically

[digital swan]

[neat oriole]

What.

[snow kiln]

Am I wrong tho?????

Orphion already got the anthros on

[digital swan]

1. yes
2. what the fuck man :(

[snow kiln]

But we need a baddie to get the non anthros

[winged narwhal]

I was just going to suggest Lari/Bak’al, Salted man

[snow kiln]

Ewww lari

[tepid blade]

My idea of what Saphanis looks like is a cosmic horror insect with hundreds of eyes covering their under belly, based on what their creations look like

[snow kiln]

Ain't no one wanna see that who knows how old ass round the net

[snow kiln]

Hawt

[warm flicker]

here we are: Overture to Despair ||we just informed Two and Majin about our fight with the Parasite||

[neat oriole]

that's 2

or fruman queen idk

[tepid blade]

Like I said, cosmic horror

[digital swan]

nah

[snow kiln]

That's so interesting

[digital swan]

nah/nah, REAL SHIT

[snow kiln]

I do remember this now that you've show me it

[winged narwhal]

two canonically has a "form-obscuring dress and skirt and wide pants that keep her build hidden"

[snow kiln]

Well at least give 2 some anime physics then

[neat oriole]

mhm yep i've heard allat

lemme go find it

[tepid blade]

Who you calling old, Lari? bro she is probably in her mid to late 20s in elf years, as she was still young when she stopped aging

[snow kiln]

Well yeah but she's like

[winged narwhal]

i wanna play wynn but if i progress the quest i'm in rn i won't be able to keep doing my tour for Elise

[snow kiln]

Old as shit

[neat oriole]

#your_work message

[winged narwhal]

ig i could just not finish it and do caves to level 112

[tepid blade]

Fair, she is 1000+ human years old

[snow kiln]

If you say otherwise, then you've fallen to the 2000 year old dragon girl that looks 8 falacy

[winged narwhal]

i'm sure not finishing A Missing Piece won't mean I miss any lore for Fruma

[signal bough]

I feel like the eyes are isolated to the SE

[snow kiln]

Do it

[winged narwhal]

i'm gonna go do that

[snow kiln]

It's a great quest

[warm flicker]

whats more, we know Majin became sovereign in 825 AP, which means some time between then and now Bakal must have visited Fruma, or was in contact with the sovereigns

[snow kiln]

No dern defo has an eye theme

[winged narwhal]

if i finish it i won't be able to finish Elise's tour of Wynn

[digital swan]

I never did all the early Aledar quests on any of my accounts so aledar would never die

[signal bough]

I disagree

[snow kiln]

Ohh this was you

LMFAO

[signal bough]

because the eyes in SE seem to come from the Eye

[winged narwhal]

I only have her from Ragni to Troms and some stuff in the ocean + Ahmsord atm

Eh ig i can just lootrun

[snow kiln]

Is the eye sentient on its own or just part of dern beast?

[signal bough]

seems sentient

[digital swan]

DB image was leaked a while ago btw one second lemme get it

[winged narwhal]

not in the mood to continue atm but here's some of the recent sights I've showed her

[digital swan]

https://tenor.com/view/kot-gif-8238624761352288147

[snow kiln]

Ahhh shit

Oh no I can feel it

[winged narwhal]

I tried showing her the void but that didn't work

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft players waiting 7 years for a expansion just so they can fight Dern Beast's ass hair the final dungeon boss

[snow kiln]

The existential dread of recognition of the divine

[neat oriole]

why are we fighting db's ass hair

[snow kiln]

Trashies got taste

[dim plover]

wild message

[neat oriole]

does his defense lower if we kill it

[winged narwhal]

i also lost her on the way to Troms because I haven't crossed the great bridge on this account since like 2022

[digital swan]

mf doesn't shave his ass hair and lives for millenia that's why

[winged narwhal]

so i got jumped by Mael Twain and the cutscene sent her back home

[snow kiln]

No, we clear the hair to perform a colonoscopy and plant 20 fat man nukes.

[snow kiln]

Ahh shit

[winged narwhal]

yeah i'll just do lootruns to scratch the wynn itch for today

[snow kiln]

Just WTP

[winged narwhal]

yesterday having both the void thing and bridge thing happen was kinda demoralizing

[snow kiln]

It's making good le/hr rn

[warm flicker]

take Elise through WTP

[winged narwhal]

i haven't done AMP yet why would I have the rest done

[snow kiln]

Amp?

[winged narwhal]

I do plan on seeing if she can go to the steel feathers

[winged narwhal]

a missing piece

[digital swan]

do I do this

[winged narwhal]

wheres the sky lootrun again

[snow kiln]

Lots of people only play the main quests

[rotund gust]

might be more useful than zeph

[snow kiln]

South of ahmsord

[digital swan]

in Ahmsord

[snow kiln]

Legit why did only the player enter wtp

Like what

[gleaming apex]

?

[snow kiln]

Tasim just DIDNT GO?

We all walked to the door

[gleaming apex]

They all went with you canonically I think

[rotund gust]

canonically our raid party IS sui, tasim and zeph

[signal bough]

AMP isn't required for apotheosis right?

[gleaming apex]

No

[tepid blade]

Horrifying

[snow kiln]

But why can't they just have em in the buff rooms chilling

[gleaming apex]

Who knows

[winged narwhal]

nvm sky lootpool is trash i'll do the caves in fruma to level and unlock the lrun

[snow kiln]

Breaking my immersion here devs

[tepid blade]

good question, probably so you don't slow down the rest of the party in the raid if your doing it for the first time

[snow kiln]

Nah they can just be sitting next to the blacksmith and have like one line of dialogue

[gleaming apex]

They want you to use your imagination or something

[snow kiln]

😔

[gleaming apex]

Just pretend ig lmao

[rotund gust]

cause then our 3 player allies wouldn’t make sense

[snow kiln]

No it's just 3 more rebels from the canopy they brought

[digital swan]

make them go to different buff rooms

[tepid blade]

Okay, does anyone know if all the other players you see are canon? or is it up to interpretation?

[snow kiln]

They're cannon

But in lore they're all just random recruits

[lusty glacier]

i think its semi canon? like there are other fruman soldiers, but the player is the one who stands out? if that makes sense

[tepid blade]

okay, just something I wondered

[tepid blade]

That is how I thought of it, kind of like Warframe, the other players are canon, but your Tenno is special compared to them

[lusty glacier]

yea thats literally what i thought about lol

[signal bough]

which would be better for wynn's corruption war: the slow trickle of recruits or gatling guns

[snow kiln]

Well queen can't send everyone to wynn

She can only send over cursed

[tepid blade]

For the Queen's ideas, recruits because they get to gatekeep technology

[lusty glacier]

wasnt the thing that basically everyone is technically cursed?

[digital swan]

slowing down the trickle of recruits = less zombies when they inevitably die

[snow kiln]

Yes but if everyone realises they're cursed everyone breaks loose witch atelier style.

[tepid blade]

no, she sends other criminals too

[digital swan]

unless Theory 52 is real

[lusty glacier]

yea hence them not saying stuff

[signal bough]

yeah Reynauld wasnt cursed

[snow kiln]

Oh yeah ig

[signal bough]

what do you think happens when someone says 'yeah I forget my whole fruman life Mr. Inquisitor. Put me in the cart and send me to Wynn.'(lying)

[gleaming apex]

I love how we kinda influence Sui. She starts killing everyone who gets in her way in a reckless manner maybe because she sees how it works fine for us

[hasty beacon]

Its typically a good way to solve problems in this world

[tepid blade]

I think she is just depressed and hard grieving, not exactly following our lead, because in my head canon my character is trying to prevent these destructive outbursts (yes I playout being a character)

[digital swan]

inquisitor sees you lying and shoots you in the head

[signal bough]

well I don't see how they're testing for that

[gleaming apex]

I will say we seem to be a bit more reasonable in the Fruma quests, but before that we kinda were a super murderhobo

[tepid blade]

That's the funny thing, they don't, they just shoot first and ask questions later

[tepid blade]

Yeah, a little

[signal bough]

well okay

[lusty glacier]

are we a murderhobo? like yes most of the quests include us killing stuff but feels like we rarely instigate against things that are not monsters

[formal bridge]

I think it doesn't help that a lot of quests haven't been rewritten from when Wynn didn't take it's story quite as seriously

[tepid blade]

It kind of depends on what you consider monsters

[lusty glacier]

meant undead or similar stuff

[formal bridge]

the player is definitely meant to be someone who is no pacifist in the slightest but the cluck cluck quest energy has been turned down a ton

[gleaming apex]

Maybe not murderhobo, but in a lot of early quests we seem to jump very quickly to extreme violence

[signal bough]

this is the extent of the info we get

[formal bridge]

a lot of early quests still have the "get it, we're an MMO but in minecraft!" energy to them

[lusty glacier]

i mean imagine your memories are wiped, you wake up with a spear and fight some undead as your first memories. i dont think you would be expected to be very stable, at least right away

[tepid blade]

I don't think they have had a true idea for the story until Fruma really, I think they has some ideas for RoL, but changed them, which is one of the reasons the quest needs a rework

[lusty glacier]

wasnt RoL reworked recently?

[formal bridge]

Yeah Lari and all that was a more recent rework from when they actually started to try with the story

[digital swan]

always choose the asshole options throughout fruma to maintain consistency

DO IT YOURSELF, COWARD!

[formal bridge]

which led to the 52 message long exposition dump

Fruma is very much a refined and more well told story lmao

[lusty glacier]

i like the more local stories in wynn as well tbh

rather than the world ending stuff

[formal bridge]

I think they work decently well as early game quest stuff but they don't have much real character to them

[tepid blade]

but RoL does need an update (I like Lari personally, but I do see how she can currently be seen a unlikable by some people)

[formal bridge]

it's very noticable how aledar and tasim both get one whole quest after spider dungeon to talk to the player before vanishing forever and becoming uber powerful off screen

[tepid blade]

and most of its writing isn't the best, and Orphion needs to be portrayed as more manipulative to you and Lari

[lusty glacier]

yea tbh thats why i didnt really care about them for the sacrifice or in fruma really

[digital swan]

aledar never gave a shit about the player did he

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL did nto get rework yet

but it planned to

[digital swan]

tasim barely did

[hybrid gazelle]

so as AJB/AJF

[tepid blade]

We need more quests with them

[lusty glacier]

idk what npc i really care about but aledar/tasim didn't really leave an impression

[tepid blade]

Like having Tasim in RoL for a minor character could be cool

[gleaming apex]

Even if not a quest, have Tasim show up in cinfras or something with a few lines of dialogue

[slim belfry]

is that fandom wiki 🤨

[formal bridge]

technically it did from the old pre 1.20 gavel quests

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Taproot_(Quest)_(1.19)

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but taht like

how many year ago

1.20

[lusty glacier]

5 or 6

i think

[formal bridge]

5

[tepid blade]

Okay, I will agree with Aledar, but Tasim after fruma, no that man is my bestie and you can't tell me other wise, the writing for him is soooooo good

[formal bridge]

1.20 was start of 2021

[lusty glacier]

i honestly didnt really care for him

[tepid blade]

Before Fruma, yeah true for Tasim, but afterward, I loved how he was portrayed

[formal bridge]

Tasim as a character really relies on you already being somewhat invested in him because of how long he spends apart in fruma aside from occasional pop ins post queens recruit

I like Tasim already even before Fruma so I liked his story in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

they plan to update more quest featuring Tasim and Aledar

[lusty glacier]

i mean i dont hate him or anything, i just don't hold strong emotions anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

but they did not have time before Fruma

so after Fruma we likely will see more of them

[tepid blade]

your completely fair in feeling that

[formal bridge]

yeah this is still a small team of people working on a minecraft server so it's understandably they have a lot of thigns not yet on the table to be worked on lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

but I believe his motive in Fruma would be a lot more understandable when we get into Orc War

[lusty glacier]

tbh i didnt really vibe with our merry band of resistance maybe i just prefer interacting with antagonists overall

[digital swan]

yk what would be funny as hell
technically Tasim deserted after Recover the Past
so imagine Llevigar storyline rewrite where like according to wynnmilitary you've been transferred as a mercenary ostensibly to help the Llevigarians out but you're actually secretly working for Wynnmossad to kill the deserter and so throughout Gavel there's just a series of interactions with Tasim that amount to like
He knows you have to kill him and eventually you agree on a compromise where you bring home his dog tags and he goes into exile or shit idfk

[drifting aurora]

Thank God

[formal bridge]

I kinda doubt that the wynn military would give a crap about one rogue soldier in gavel lmao

it's not like they're running low on fruma recruits

[hybrid gazelle]

her majesty avoid the TNA's fate

[digital swan]

you mean Jimmy?

[formal bridge]

The player character also just goes and does whatever they want so I think the fruma recruits are just allowed to settle in wherever they like

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt hear me out on this

since many people want to do Tasim alt route

[formal bridge]

so long as you aren't officially working under someone it wouldn't be desertion

[hybrid gazelle]

if you kill Tasim in the alt route, you would not need to write his dialogye again

trust

[tepid blade]

I had to look up John Gluk, now I am even more confused

[digital swan]

Jean Gluck

hear me out The Nameless gets Greg and Her Majesty gets Jenny
Jenny Gluk but we drop the Gluk because it's one Gluk too many

[split night]

what is this sentence i just read

[tepid blade]

good question, I can't understand it either

[karmic pewter]

no one SAW THAT

[digital swan]

what, me?

[karmic pewter]

(missing piece spoilers) i am so heartbrokken

[tepid blade]

so true, this shit hurt

[digital swan]

worry

[lusty glacier]

the quest had main quest quality imo

[split night]

best doomed yuri sidestory

[digital swan]

what, me?

[tepid blade]

all of the quests in Fruma have very high quality, I even think that the bath house one, while simple, was good

[karmic pewter]

SHIT MAN

WHY'D IT END LIKE THAT

[tepid blade]

yeah, it's fucked up in a good way

[karmic pewter]

i was hopping they'd..

man

[split night]

even the evil ass quest Through the Pipes is kinda high quality

[karmic pewter]

refuse to finish that until they make the tunnel one block wider

[lusty glacier]

my least favorite fruma quest was prob the ||mistwood detective||

[tepid blade]

While I think it was actually pretty creative, it sucked to get through because it would not stop breaking, the quest I mean

[tepid blade]

spoiler this, v4lencene hasn't seen it yet

thx

[lusty glacier]

i liked that quest tbh, my only gripe was that checkpint was bugged for a long time for me

[digital swan]

they should add a secret quest with some 5* ass parkour just to make people whine

[karmic pewter]

is it main quest? i dont see it in my content book

im on || echoes of change || atm

[tepid blade]

||I personally really liked it, its ending feels a bit strange at first, but it actually makes the quest hit harder in the end, as there is no right answer to the puzzle, you might have killed an innocent but you will never know, there may have never even been a changeling||

[tepid blade]

which one?

[karmic pewter]

|| mistwood ||

[tepid blade]

Do you want a small spoiler for an answer?

[karmic pewter]

hit me

[lusty glacier]

my gripe was ||purely mechanical, it just took me a very long time||

[tepid blade]

it's not part of the main quest

[tepid blade]

||That's fair, not very action packed||

[slim belfry]

the better use is peeing into it

[karmic pewter]

[tepid blade]

It has no use outside that quest area

[karmic pewter]

u can still throw it outside of quest lol

[tepid blade]

true

that is a use

[lusty glacier]

||its also my least favorite biome out of the 4 (5 if we count the city)||

[winged narwhal]

do people have any opinions at all on the side quests in Auburn

never see anyone talk about them

[karmic pewter]

gonna re-do the quest on another class just so i can get 100+ of those bottles in my inventory and throw them at fellow frumans

wait

nvm they dont stack

sadge

[tepid blade]

||They are the weaker quests, but I think they are fun, still high quality though||

[winged narwhal]

I thought they were fine

Pretty normal post-Misadventures quest design

[signal bough]

one felt pretty gavellian

I think undersupply

[ashen relic]

I like undersupply and I think the level design of the dam is cool even if the quest itself is pretty light
It really feels like it should've been a dungeon using the water mechanic tho
It feels like a LoZ temple
I think the springs quest is probably the weakest or second weakest quest in Fruma tbh though that's probably just because I replayed it so many times in the beta

[wintry sky]

so now the ost decription for warrior has W instead of Wa

i wouldve said it was changed but as far back as i can check in the wayback machine it has always been W

so its kinda weird how the wiki has it Wa for 2 logs

[cedar kernel]

Ok so… lore implications?

[drifting aurora]

i love lore

[cedar kernel]

Is this ||right after hashr or much longer?||

[cedar kernel]

Team did a wonderful job

[winged narwhal]

so wait does this imply not all humans are fruman

[cedar kernel]

It implies that ||maybe those people went out there way before the colonies were established||

Otherwise these humans might just be ||not human?||

[azure tangle]

i believe there have been non fruman humans. see Eltom

[winged narwhal]

are tolos and nifilis deities or places or people

[cedar kernel]

Eltom is a colony of Wynn

Secret colony

[signal bough]

that's a recent settlement project

[cedar kernel]

Eltom is literally illegal under gavel law too

[signal bough]

there are the eagle, owl, bremminglar, and iboju tribes

[azure tangle]

hmm fair

[signal bough]

do we know where the Olm first started out

cause we see the time valley construction

[cedar kernel]

Somewhere in Wynn yeah

[signal bough]

which means they were pretty well-resourced or they like

[cedar kernel]

I wonder why Olm didn’t visit gavel

I guess great sea wasn’t calmed

But why couldn’t they calm it?

[signal bough]

moved everyone out, reset time valley to a pristine state, and then built the temple of time

who knows, Gavel's history goes back 10,000 years somehow

[cedar kernel]

Makes me wonder: who is this tolos and this nifilis

Especially since nifilis “grows volatile”

Could they be a great air and great earth spirit?

Since we generally know that each rune is associated with a specific element

This word means order

[drifting aurora]

if youre interested in the old fruman language, there's a thread attached to this channel dedicated to translating it

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621

[cedar kernel]

How complete is it? As in how much work is left to do before I go in and spoil myself

I wonder if it’s a stretch to say that Nilva comes from fruman Nifla

Definitely

[drifting aurora]

theyve got a fair bit of progress, but nowhere near complete

you likely wont be able to get everything on your own

[cedar kernel]

I’ll see how far I can get

[signal bough]

there's just a single iboju settlement in the dernel jungle right

[tepid blade]

I think there might be two

The main marked one, and another smaller one

[signal bough]

okay so I'm talking about a third one

about here

[tepid blade]

Don't remember, haven't been in Dernel in forever

[winged narwhal]

is Fruma literally the only country with clear borders

[signal bough]

Province? Yes

Nation? No

[winged narwhal]

Even Corkus has some trouble with the Avos border

[signal bough]

There’s actually some separate nations within Fruma in the Mistwoods

[winged narwhal]

oh sweet

[formal bridge]

Yeah when a quarter of your nation actively is rebelling against the queen the borders aren't so clear

[young sequoia]

I wonder if it would be called autonomous region

[cedar kernel]

The borders of the areas are relatively clear

Except for hyloch/mistwoods border

I need to do the secret discoveries in industrial

[digital swan]

3

innit?

oh dernel specifically?

[signal bough]

yes

oh yeah

[digital swan]

entamis

[signal bough]

its tromsian jungle and then dernel jungle

oh yeah it has a name

[digital swan]

tromsian has two, Wall and Iboju

[paper wyvern]

Mistwoods is an automous region not independent