📚lore_discussion

[tepid blade]

Bro is taking Elise on a world tour

[winged narwhal]

We got screenshots in Ragni with the king, at the Roots, at the Nemract bell, at Twain Mansion and a few other spots

[winged narwhal]

I’m planning on compiling it all in #your_work eventually as a photo album

[twin perch]

elise knows greg by name

[snow kiln]

Honestly Id think she pass out dead instantly when she finds out that outside of fruma ain't a waste 😭

[tepid blade]

"Can I beat all of Wynncraft with Elise on my back???🤯 "

[twin perch]

firstly

i gotta beat all of wynncraft to get elise on my back

[snow kiln]

Dude at this point just propose

[twin perch]

next step

wynncraft beat

[snow kiln]

You can't lead her on like this

[winged narwhal]

I should check if she can handle the transport to the Steel Feather

She can handle the Fruma gate

[snow kiln]

You got more photos together than most married couples

[sand jasper]

Genuinely if she can ya gotta bring her to meet ||Syndra||

[winged narwhal]

I already got a photo with her and Tasim

[sand jasper]

You’re just fighting Orphion and she starts talking about how back in her day she had to fight both him and Saphanis on her way to school uphill both ways

[twin perch]

i wonder if its actually possible to grasp the tahkashtel language or is it just gibberish

[brittle prism]

I love that they made the tree of altruism in the mistwoods an albino redwood, as someone who lives near coastal redwoods I've seen one or two of these things it's a pretty nice reference to redwood biology. pretty. niche

[tepid blade]

Elise knows the name of the Anomaly

[twin perch]

i know it too actually

[brittle prism]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-california-california-ca-united-states-usa-gif-11990716865228129274

[sand jasper]

The named anomaly 💀

[lusty glacier]

saphanis?

[tepid blade]

I did not know tree's could be albino until I saw that in the quest it was mentioned

[winged narwhal]

(I’ve been playing for a while and I haven’t done the new arachnid’s ascent yet so he’s just kinda there outside Nivla)

[sand jasper]

||name of dern beast im pretty sure||

[twin perch]

im this far along, almost got the hang of it guys! give me a few more years and i'll be an expert translator

[twin perch]

ye

[brittle prism]

Redwoods are actually the only trees that can be albino and can still survive

[twin perch]

(yes its made in paint)

[brittle prism]

Since they feed off of other trees

[lusty glacier]

ah icic

[sand jasper]

Are the unknown red symbols just numbers 1 thru 10/0?

[brittle prism]

||santa is a dernic entity btw||

[sand jasper]

That’s what I guessed they were

[twin perch]

okay that would make a lot of sense lmao

[tepid blade]

I do like how some sounds like "sh" are their own character instead of it just being one to one english alphabet

it adds some depth to the language

[lusty glacier]

do we enter ||realm of war|| during the raid?

[tepid blade]

yes

[brittle prism]

no you enter the ||realm of craftsmas||

[tepid blade]

||the pillar that we fight the boss on is in the realm of war||

[sand jasper]

I believe ||she talks about how it’s the first physical thing she built but it wasn’t very “thing” back then||

[twin perch]

actually you enter ||the white palace||

[twin perch]

as indicated by the ||sawblades||

[tepid blade]

true

||two bugs with an unhealthy obsession with sawblades in their living place||

[twin perch]

i hope that when april fools comes around the mother of all bombs just becomes the moab from bloons

[sand jasper]

I find it so funny how u have these like arena attacks, and cool magic shit and then there’s just “bomb!”

[twin perch]

and the sawblades ofc

like her attacks are really goofy to me

[sand jasper]

Like idk why Ik the saw blades are an attack and technology exists but the bomb just feels out of place in a funny way even tho ik it isn’t

face tanking the bomb twice and still beating the raid with all other party members dead is funny too

[twin perch]

why is it that the queen looks very mature but her dialogue portrait looks like a teen

[tepid blade]

She doesn't really, it could be just the limitation of the portraits style though

[twin perch]

i know its a limitation

but she looks so young here idk

its the head shape for me

[sand jasper]

Eh, I don’t really think so ngl

[tepid blade]

I don't think I noticed how long her fucking neck is until now

[sand jasper]

Sui Zeph and Rex looked a lot more like teens to me

The Queen does look like a young adult at minimum

[tepid blade]

Okay quick question, are the three actually "children" or are they just young adults

because I cannot tell, they act like and kinda look like adults but they are called children by the queen and Syndra

[twin perch]

well the queen is really odl

[lusty glacier]

i think adults

[twin perch]

and syndra views them as her children

[tepid blade]

Fair

[twin perch]

but they are young adults

[tepid blade]

That is what I was wondering too

if she meant it literally or not

[twin perch]

i wonder how old our character is lol

i guess its as old as we imagine it as

[tepid blade]

also I think the queen calls them Children as an insult, not just because of the age difference

[twin perch]

yeaa

[sand jasper]

I honestly felt like they looked and acted sometiems like late teens but yeha young adult is Proabbly right

[twin perch]

its more of like in a way of saying they are naive and dont know what theyre doing

[hasty beacon]

Ive seen a bunch of ppl say rex is like 15

[tepid blade]

She does not look or act 15

maybe 17

at least

[hasty beacon]

Yea thats why i was confused

[twin perch]

i would say sui acts like the youngest

[warm flicker]

behind the mystery rune door lies the whereabouts of John Gluk, as well as the 2nd royal report (trust me)

[twin perch]

then she gets psychopatic tendencies

and everything changed when the water nation attacked

[sand jasper]

Sui became Kuzan

[tepid blade]

Does she though? She is really shy but that is because she is scared to be captured or harmed because of her powers, also she doesn't become psychopathic, only depressed and hard grieving

at least that how I interpreted it

[hasty beacon]

I love my psycho waterbender gf

[twin perch]

you interpreted it right

it was basically a mental shortcut

[tepid blade]

suffering builds character as they say

[twin perch]

(what i said)

[twin perch]

welp

she got enough suffering that's for sure

[tepid blade]

real, that poor girl

[twin perch]

me too T_T

i wanted to cry when ||Rex "died"||

no one saw that

i know spoilers are allowed

but it's still weird for me to say them out loud like that

since the update is still "pretty" fresh

[wary lantern]

FRUMA SPOILERS but in case im somehow right im calling it now ||we're the Order beast thats why ana died laughing at the beasts's foolishness when she saw what we really were, chaos is confirmed to be a name for/face of War and the gylia meteors were both Chaos and Order, crack theory thats probably wrong but putting it here in case its right so i can say I Told You So||

[hasty beacon]

|| I was shocked they had a portrait of that ||

[twin perch]

oh god yes

that added to the pain

i need to see her again

[hasty beacon]

Tex cooked

[sand jasper]

“You will suffer, as I Rammatra, have suffered. Your torment will outlast the stars. When the universe dwindles into dust, there you will be, suffering as I have suffered.”

~Rammatra overwatch

[gleaming apex]

Yeah it's one of the more likely theories that's been floating around

[wary lantern]

ah

[tepid blade]

||I wanted to cry when I saw Mora died because fuck man I knew that was probably going to happen, but it still hurt, also Tasim asking me to kill him because he wanted to see Aledar again almost broke me internally||

[twin perch]

what did you respond to ||tasim||

[gleaming apex]

Not exactly that though, that an interesting new take on it

[sand jasper]

Dude that portrait actually broke my fucking heart

[twin perch]

also i find it interesting how it the nicer responses are hidden at the top

[tepid blade]

||I won't kill another friend|| or something along those lines

[hasty beacon]

|| thank god we got zhiraok the goat ||

[twin perch]

i did that too

[tepid blade]

same

[wary lantern]

||i do wonder what Order ties to though, chaos isnt the "true" name, or not the most prevalent rather. i wonder if itd be Void, given the war is already an abstract concept from light and dark, it seems likely, especially given the whole "bottomless void" stuff||

[twin perch]

since usually you get the responses from top to bottom

[wary lantern]

||we the player are the void beast||

[sand jasper]

Someone draw him doing the Wally west pose we need it

[twin perch]

and this is the only instance when its reversed i think?

what is zhiraok's blessing

time?

acceleration and reversal?

[wary lantern]

yea

time warping

[twin perch]

bro is Pucci and Kira in one being

[tepid blade]

||I don't think we are Beast, as what we have seen of beasts, they are by nature conquers and dominators, but we just aren't||

[wary lantern]

reversal is only through concentrating it thru his charm tho

so not that

[sand jasper]

Time huh

[wary lantern]

thats an interaction with an already specifically magical artifact

but warping it, anyways, yea

time dilation

[lusty glacier]

all this time i thought it was like boundless vitality or smth since the necklace is not his blessing

[exotic bough]

i think void's more like negative magic if that makes sense

[wary lantern]

||void scion||

[wary lantern]

he flashsteps a lot and stuff, its time dilation for sure

[twin perch]

he is overexhausted though

[exotic bough]

void is the absolute absence of magic which is technically a form of magic

[lusty glacier]

does ||scion|| mean anything inlore?

[sand jasper]

Oh I meant ||Zhiraok|| doing the pose

[twin perch]

i think they are servants to the beasts

like lari to orphion

[exotic bough]

fuck wrong reply

[tepid blade]

||I don't think that either, as Two probably would have noticed us being one whether she knew about it or not||

[sand jasper]

Lmao

[twin perch]

or bak'al to the dern beast

[wary lantern]

||yes. its a being that has been granted part of a beast's power (WHICH DOES TAKE AWAY FROM THE BEASTS POWER, fascinatingly||

[tepid blade]

Powers given to a person by a beast

[wary lantern]

||i think maybe the hollowing out of us WAS what made us that maybe||

[twin perch]

wait what exactly is bak'al

how did he get his power

[lusty glacier]

so sovereigns are ||scions?||

[twin perch]

yes

[lusty glacier]

so is lari i assume then?

[wary lantern]

||having such a thoroughly empty void in us from the wiping sparked us into being that, like how anathema calls her being a "spark"||

[twin perch]

.

[exotic bough]

||two is the only sovereign that actually does stuff for the war of the realms iirc||

[lusty glacier]

i though majin kinda vibed with that as well

[tepid blade]

||Fair, any theory goes right now as far as I am concerned, because how little info we have right now||

[tepid blade]

Yes, and so is Bak'al

[gleaming apex]

A thing I noticed was that Two says|| "they came to shatter the mirror which once held their reflections" and "from those uncountable shattered pieces of their battleground, War came to be."
The thing is that the battleground isn't referring to the world, since it's still here. So what exactly broke? I think it could've been a realm of balance or order or something ||

[fervent sun]

isn't he like ||first war scion||?

[exotic bough]

i think he just moreso knows like all the other sovereigns

[wary lantern]

||itd explain how she doesnt rly notice, its not smth anyone considered. it could also be said that she knew and thats why she sort of secretly took our side, in as much as she could without being suspected and keeping the possibility of the queen to stay in power should we fail||

[lusty glacier]

hasnt orphion also helped us with power before? I dont remember fully tho

[twin perch]

we do orphions bidding

but dont get his power

we are like half scion

maybe quarter

[lusty glacier]

oh for some reason i thought he gace some power but it has been years since i looked at the quest

[hasty beacon]

Unless your lightbender ig

[sand jasper]

Does Dern have any scions we know of?

[twin perch]

best mage archetype btw

i mena

[exotic bough]

or boltslinger

[tepid blade]

||I've heard the idea it could have been aligorical, but it also could have been literal, and one of my theories is that the powers within us represent balance or life||

[twin perch]

who said that

[exotic bough]

maybe the guy who forced the olm out of the se?

theyre only mentioned in the final moments and maybe wynnex site d iirc

[tepid blade]

Wasn't that the Dern Beast though?

[sand jasper]

Well more to learn in the deem expansion when that happens ig

[lusty glacier]

what if we arent some grandiose being but simply locked in

[tepid blade]

yes

[exotic bough]

wait its actually fate of the olm

[twin perch]

I thought that was the eye?

[wary lantern]

||the frame of the mirror from which the shards of its glass became Her. the frame upon which the realms lie, between both the War and the Realms and the Stage, neutral to all parties but supporting it all, keeping it all apart. the Void.||

[tepid blade]

Don't remember, just someone talking about it

[sand jasper]

That can’t be the case it’s not yaoi time we aren’t that locked in yet

[gleaming apex]

The thing is that war is an actual place that exists, so I think whatever broken pieces it was made from might be literal too

[exotic bough]

still right though

[lusty glacier]

also was bob a normal human or is he also a little zesty?

[exotic bough]

the eye is more like a part of ||saphanis||

[tepid blade]

It could have been some unknow scion of the dark, possibly even the first scion of dark before Bak'al became one

[sand jasper]

Isn’t Bob like blue or smth weird

[twin perch]

Yea and iirc the eyes gaze was what made the olm escape?

[wary lantern]

wrong reply

fuck

or misread

idk

[exotic bough]

hey same club!

[tepid blade]

He is half-olm, which means he was grey skin

[twin perch]

Or do i Remember bs?

[wary lantern]

||thought u meant to ask what order was||

my bad

[lusty glacier]

he is?

[wary lantern]

im stooopid

[twin perch]

He is?!

Where is that stated

[wary lantern]

its not

[lusty glacier]

thats what im asking

[tepid blade]

Apparently his mother according to the wiki was Olm (and also Witherhead)

[wary lantern]

its just heavily implied and a very very popular theory

ok but actual crazy theory ||what if Two is an olm, one of the dernel escapees||

[tepid blade]

The wiki states he is, but I don't know its confirmed in the game

[fervent sun]

he is gray

[wary lantern]

||hidden, secretive, Knows Too Damn Much, knew enough that she found Anathema second, ominous presence, tall, inquisitive and values knowledge above most all else||

[twin perch]

What if ||two is actually saphanis' scion||

[exotic bough]

i mean it is strongly implied

his biological mother is witherhead who is an olm as confirmed by her black skeleton

[sand jasper]

I mean maybe Two does mention ||something like “I had to do it” and sorta implied she had to do smth to her people||

[exotic bough]

and the ragni library book mentions bobs biological mother did not look human at all

[twin perch]

Oh i thought that was some corription shenanigans

[wary lantern]

shes already ||War's Second Scion now|| tbf

itd be strange but idk

maybe she was a trade in a way?

[lusty glacier]

whos first

[wary lantern]

||bak'al defected, two arrived||

[sand jasper]

||two for Bakal??||

[lusty glacier]

ah

[tepid blade]

||That is a theory I heard before and I actually kind of like that theory as it fits her secretiveness and her dark color scene||

[wary lantern]

||Bak'al, War's Lost Scion||

[sand jasper]

Two is just built different

[lusty glacier]

why was he lost? i dont remember much about him

[wary lantern]

||not a LITERAL trade, but i mean as in she betrayed Saphanis as bak'al betrayed(?) Anathema||

[sand jasper]

Cuz he went down the wrong path duh /j

[wary lantern]

||defected to Saphanis's side||

[twin perch]

I would say that also explains how she knows what happened in the silent expanse

[lusty glacier]

ah

[tepid blade]

He just left after losing to bob, and ||the queen got angry at him for attacking Wynn apparently||

[wary lantern]

||while it was winning, no less||

[lusty glacier]

is the nether portal related to the ||queen?||

[wary lantern]

||he defected to dern while dern was winning which is the deepest betrayal of everything she is and wants he could commit||

[sand jasper]

Iirc that is the ||portal to the realm of war||

I could be wrong

[tepid blade]

The thing you need to know about Bak'al is that the bastard is MASSIVE coward

[lusty glacier]

yea so was wondering if the two had any connections or is it two seperate instances

[twin perch]

It is

[tepid blade]

He ran from an equally matched fight with both Lari and Bob, on seperate occasions

[sand jasper]

Yeah that also means ||Annie is linked to the queen somehow||?

[twin perch]

It is

[sand jasper]

Do we know in what way?

Or just that it is

[lusty glacier]

so are the elves maybe since they opened the portal?

[dim sky]

||You can see Annihilation in the background right before the raid boss actually!||

[hasty beacon]

They both baddies

[twin perch]

Anything corruption related is related to the queen

As far as i understand

[sand jasper]

Wait shit Fr? I gotta pay attention do u know which part?

[twin perch]

Wait really?

Zamnnn

[fervent sun]

there are multiple ||annihilations||

[tepid blade]

At least indirectly

[twin perch]

Is it the full corruption?

[dim sky]

It's like a silhouette right before the boss room

[twin perch]

Annihilation*

[fervent sun]

multiple

[dim sky]

If you've ever played ultrakill, think the earthmovers in the background of Violence layer

[sand jasper]

Bro couldn’t heal up he had to run he had the corrupted effect

Tactical retreat trust

[twin perch]

Wonder what happened to Lari

[tepid blade]

You have to remember that the Queen HATED the realm of war

[dim sky]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/938941599180787753

[sand jasper]

Lari is probably alive

[lusty glacier]

isnt she that?

[twin perch]

Either imprisonment (least likely imo), some sort of brainwashing, or death

[dim sky]

yes but she despised that she was born of it

[fervent sun]

||annihilations|| in wartorn:

[lusty glacier]

was she born of it or is she it?

[sand jasper]

She isn’t the realm but the embodiment I’m pretty sure

[twin perch]

Oh shit

[dim sky]

yup

[tepid blade]

Good question, either has been captured by the forces of Dern, possessed, unlikely dead because she is mentioned as being alive by basically everyone who knows about her condition (AKA missing), or is still taking the fight to Dern

[sand jasper]

Omg that’s so cool

[lusty glacier]

same as the other two beasts or is that different?

[twin perch]

Now imagine fighting that full, standing in the wynn province after it goes to hell

[tepid blade]

That's actually freaky, in a cool way

[sand jasper]

That explains where they were two events ago

They were in paid leave

[tepid blade]

she is, but she hates being born

[lusty glacier]

ah i see

[sand jasper]

Lari Proabbly gonna be an ally vs Dern when we go there I think

Like we gonna have a crew of actually powerful ppl we met and stuff

[tepid blade]

Same, or if captured we will have to save her first

[twin perch]

Lets hope we wont have to put her down

[tepid blade]

I will actually ball if we do, unironically

[lusty glacier]

possibly bob meetup?

[tepid blade]

possibly, he was last seen going to Dern

[twin perch]

Bobs soul is just lost in dern

[sand jasper]

Lowkey that would be sick af

[tepid blade]

possible Bob boss rematch anyone?

[sand jasper]

Us, Bob, Two, Tasim, Lari

[twin perch]

A test if so

[sand jasper]

Idk who else

But there’s def some ppl I’m missing

[tepid blade]

or a dark corrupted version of him

[sand jasper]

Zoro from one piece or smth cuz he’s gonna show up somehow

[fervent sun]

||anathema|| is calls herself as a lesser thing bc she is born from the ||war|| between ||saphanis and orphion||

[twin perch]

I would say he's strong enough to resist

[tepid blade]

only time will tell the truth

[twin perch]

Yra

[sand jasper]

Tho counter point it could be used to emphasize the sheer power of Dern

[twin perch]

I pray he's not a fraud like the hero of gavel

[twin perch]

True

[tepid blade]

We know he's not, we have seen him do his feats our selves

[twin perch]

But he's def not

[twin perch]

Yea

[sand jasper]

Which characters are on fraud watch rn

[twin perch]

Also the hero of gavel exists because of what bob did

[lusty glacier]

is majin's powers somehow related to the meteors in gylia?

[tepid blade]

Orphion

[warped cargo]

what are the current theories on whats up with the spymaster?

[twin perch]

Its related to cosmos in general

So i guess

[twin perch]

I believe shes a Dern beast scion

[lusty glacier]

hes also a bit aloof and insane at parts

[fervent sun]

meteors come from cosmos and majin blessing is to ||manipulate the cosmos|| so

[tepid blade]

not much, I have heard possibly Olm and a former Dern scion

[twin perch]

Either former

Or a double agent

[lusty glacier]

when war was born why did she want to come to overworld? I think i forgot

[tepid blade]

She feels to genuine in her attempts to stop the war to be a double agent for Dern

[sand jasper]

I feel like she isn’t gonna be a double agent tho ngl she is too invested in us and how we will change the future in particular to be still working with Dern imo

[warped cargo]

i'm curious about the black tendril she has.

[rich scarab]

she saw it and found it to be beautiful

[fervent sun]

||she saw it and liked, and when she had opportunity she went||

[lusty glacier]

whyd she make her own country?

[rich scarab]

to have a piece of it away from the forces of the 3 influences

[tepid blade]

She hated the Realm of War, and thought it was beautiful, unlike war which is a barren hellscape where nothing lasts very long

[lusty glacier]

ah that explains the isolation

[warped cargo]

this tendril

[twin perch]

I wonder how the story will turn out now that the Queen is dead

[tepid blade]

She didn't really make it, she destroyed old Fruma and then built her own empire ontop of it

[twin perch]

Also that red eye

[lusty glacier]

oh? when is that said?

[fervent sun]

she wants to rule,|| and she hates her corruption and... cant really control it? i think||

[twin perch]

Secret discovery

[lusty glacier]

also isnt she one of the three influences?

[tepid blade]

It's not said, it's implied through secret discoveries and lore tablets

[twin perch]

Yeah she cant Control chaos

[rich scarab]

||she gave us some pretty good hints in her post-raid dialogue: light and dark will likely be emboldened in their attempts to claim physicality without her threat of mutually assured distruction there||

[slim belfry]

my theory is that her eye has the red mark of blessing

[rich scarab]

kinda but she hates it

basically disowned her influence as much as she could

[lusty glacier]

do you guys think they will go for good vs evil with light vs dark or with the dern expansion we will see more evil light stuff?

[rich scarab]

definitely more evil light stuff

[wary lantern]

yea same

||the tendril though. we dont know her blessing. its probably something with it? idk||

[slim belfry]

it's a part of her hood lol

[sand jasper]

We’re Proabbly gonna get both evil or at the very least ambivalent to the human consequence

[wary lantern]

||actually her blessing is probably to do with the mirror and memory stuff, maybe mindreading or truesight or smth||

[rich scarab]

just look at the ||ensemble of hope two visions||, they're absolutely swinging it in that direction

[tepid blade]

Both evil

[wary lantern]

||honestly i think her blessing would prob have to be Truesight, otherwise she wouldnt really have any reason for the risks shed be taking joining her inquisitors on high-value missions like the background check on us like its mentioned she does||

[lusty glacier]

then i wonder if we are going to fight the dern beast directly just to defeat

[slim belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399831978072739901/1491569990594334721/SPOILER_image0.jpg?ex=69e0154d&is=69dec3cd&hm=502d974efb9a74111788185eda9b12862ca807eb69c652169a49529cd0ba208b&

[sand jasper]

Honestly best comparison I think

[sand jasper]

I doubt so, cuz if we defeat Dern too hard we’ll have to go swing on Orphion so Proabbly not

[warped cargo]

what are the origins of the devils? are they something the queen made, or a natural part of the chaos of the corruption

[sand jasper]

Like we can’t let one side get too far

[rich scarab]

suuuuuuuuurely we get the orphion and ||saphanis|| dual-battle at the end of dern questline

[slim belfry]

the latter

[lusty glacier]

what about bob?

[tepid blade]

||My crackpot theory for the stories ending is that we the play will attempt to defeat both the beasts at the same time, but one manages to get away, and now with the other out of the picture they will attempt to complete their victory, and you with other characters you have met and allied with across your journey join forces in a last ditch, almost impossible attempt, to stop the apocalypse||

[sand jasper]

Would be hype af

[rich scarab]

i think if we end up going down the route of killing them, we'll first have to seal them away ||like, iirc, the queen suggests in one branch of the post-raid dialogue||

[warped cargo]

my theory is we find a way to just severe the realm of influence fully from the physical realm.

[sand jasper]

The final line is gonna be smth like, “man, I’m glad we managed to craft ourselves a win”

[tepid blade]

Kind of what I meant by we defeat one, but not the other

[rich scarab]

their war appears to be fought in the plane of physicality, so if we stop them from getting there we'll be able to safely kill them not at the same time

[tepid blade]

we didn't kill them, only seal them away

[hasty beacon]

a wynn*

[sand jasper]

Yeah

“What’s next, we block off the sky?” /j/j

[tepid blade]

I personally think that while we might meet the Beast of Dern, but not a boss, more of a beat down on our part, and we will have to run away from them, with the final boss of the expansion be either what ever weight was mentioned that is giving the Beast of Dern the power it has now, or Bak'al

[lusty glacier]

are there any other story elements rn other than light v dark (w/war)

[sand jasper]

Hoenstly for all we know Bak’al could be the weight

[tepid blade]

not yet I don't think

[lusty glacier]

maybe our past?

[tough axle]

Wynn excavation

It’s pretty fucking major for a lot of early game

[fervent sun]

changelings? i mean, we dont see alot of them, right?

[tough axle]

There is corkus but the storyline is very bland

[warped cargo]

something i did notice in the spymasters dialogue in ensemble of hope is that the way she talks about ends is similiar to ??? from a hunter's calling. and while ??? does seem dernic, it doesn't seem to be aligned with dern.

[sand jasper]

That’s Proabbly gonna be wasteland ngl

[fervent sun]

probably

[lusty glacier]

i mean if they want they can prob add something without much difficulty

[tepid blade]

The main reason I don't think we will fight the Beast of Dern is because it, unlike Orphion and ||Anathema||, would be at full strength, if not more than full strength when we meet it

[burnt robin]

if anyonew ants to put this

into the secret disco doc

here yall are

a WAY better image than whats provided

[lusty glacier]

isnt he lacking an eye

[tepid blade]

Who the Beast of Dern?

[lusty glacier]

ye

[tough axle]

Syphalis

[tepid blade]

Yes, but I don't think it will that much a problem to get around for a god

[rich scarab]

consider, however, that we are the main character

[tough axle]

||*SAPHANIS||

[tepid blade]

TRUE

[sand jasper]

John Wynncraft beats syphilis next update confirmed

[tough axle]

True

[sand jasper]

Last I checked Saphanis didn’t have pfinder so checkmate Dern

[burnt robin]

bro saw dern beast and thought disease immediately

💀

[tepid blade]

Also in my image of Saphanis, they have many eyes because one of the big things a lot of their minions have are eyes

[sand jasper]

Cinema

[burnt robin]

i think that we wont actually get to FIGHT the dern beast per se

imo its better tha way

to leave them unimagined almost

[tepid blade]

same

[burnt robin]

and to just seal them off

[dim plover]

We will deus ex machina it

[lusty glacier]

i mean same could be said about fruma or a bunch other stuff

[burnt robin]

and thats gonna be the raid/dungeon

[sand jasper]

Raid for sure

[tepid blade]

Like I said, in here, it won't be fight on our part, it will be beat down

[lusty glacier]

rip dungeons

no new dungeon in 7 years

[rich scarab]

i mean ||anathema|| seems to think we might potentially maybe kinda somewhat stand a chance

[sand jasper]

I mean I def think we could get a new dungeon but raids are more fun tbh

[formal bridge]

I mentioned it here before but dungeons really are just repeatable quests, so raids are definitely better for climaxes in story

[dim plover]

Wait, wait, how about this:

We follow in the Queen's footsteps, so we take the Queen's place in her role in the War of the Realms and become the new holder of Corruption so our very existence holds Orphion and Dern Beast back under threat of Plane destruction just like how the Queen held them with her own

[sand jasper]

Also dungeons need better loot rewards if they wanna be on par with raid cuz like u get fuck all in them

[dim plover]

Or we go the friendship route and make Orphion and Dern Beast apologize idk
(Epic writing let's do this)

[lusty glacier]

true that

[tepid blade]

Isn't that what we tried to stop in the Fruma questline? her using her powers of destroying the world as a cudgel to stop Orphion and Saphanis from taking over?

[rich scarab]

or they give us 2 options: friendship route and snowgrave route (where we bring sui with us and force her to kill the beasts)

[dim plover]

Fruma if the writing was good

(/j)

(We befriend everyone)

(Undertale time)

[rich scarab]

nah we were fully just doing this to stop her tyrany in fruma (and for the love of the game)

[sand jasper]

“You see those two things? They shit talked your brother. Go kill them.”

[tepid blade]

To be fair, he was already going down that path in my mind

[dim plover]

wdym

[rich scarab]

she said herself that she would never actually do that, it was an empty threat, but the others wouldnt dare risk that

[sand jasper]

We really did just break into fruma and eradicate the monarchy because we can huh

[tepid blade]

He would have at some point tried to rebel against the queen eventually, even if not instigated by us, he would likely be have been instigated by something else

[dim plover]

(Thalas is Majin btw)

[lusty glacier]

i wonder if the strong ppl we know will come back like qira and whatnot

[tepid blade]

oh fuck

[dim plover]

Out of all of the Sovereigns we've met isn't he like, the most towards the Queen in terms of side

[tepid blade]

I guess I'm stupid

[sand jasper]

He’s just an asshole

[tepid blade]

yes, I'm just dumb for mixing up the two

[lusty glacier]

i mean he didnt really hate the queen or anything or had personal beef like the other sovereigns

[rich scarab]

i'd say two is probably more closely aligned seeing as she's been with her for like 1000 years - two just doesnt have a death wish, so doesnt fight us

[dim plover]

But imagine how funny it is if the Leaves of the Wind's charm is just so endearing that every Sovereign we run into just eventually turns to our side

The writing would probably be shit but it'll be hilarious

[sand jasper]

Even Gikyo?

[dim plover]

Yeah

[tepid blade]

AND She sees in her "shards" that we have the same possibility as the queen to end the war, but in a different way

[dim plover]

(Gikyo joins our side not because they're against the Queen but solely because of the love of the game)

(Based Gikyo)

[rich scarab]

gikyo transforms into each of the leaves and by the end is like "hold up having been these guys they kinda chill actually"

[sand jasper]

Gikyo would do it just to kill more people ngl

[burnt robin]

WTF

WTF

THATS ACTUALLY SO COOL

[tepid blade]

I imagine that two was only with the queen because she believed she was the only one who could stop the endo of the world

[sand jasper]

Horse

[dim plover]

But like just imagine

The Queen is there in the Highlands doing a speech and then all five Sovereigns (I know there's another but until we meet them I'm excluding them) just appear behind us and she's just alone

[dim plover]

Wait is that part of the quest or

[lusty glacier]

cant she take back blessings?

[dim plover]

Is it like a natural event

[sand jasper]

When y mean the other one do u mean the penitentiary one?

[dim plover]

Probably yeah
We don't know the process though

[tepid blade]

This was a very nice cutscene in my opinion, like what you are doing isn't even important, not even a quest, it just is there to be cool

[dim plover]

Maybe there's some semi-complicated procedure

But imagine Sovereigns vs Queen

[tepid blade]

It's actually part of the wooly rhino horn collection side quest

[dim plover]

ah ok

[lusty glacier]

i mean the closest in power is majin (idk two's combat prowess) and he wasn't that strong compared to us

[tepid blade]

It's optional too if I remember

[sand jasper]

Cuz like isn’t the 6th sovereign just ||tasim||

[lusty glacier]

there is also selium and another one

[tepid blade]

Oru

[rich scarab]

is selium still a sovreign?

[lusty glacier]

ye

[sand jasper]

Selium was Zhiraok’s predecessor no?

[dim plover]

Wait I thought Selium is dead

[tepid blade]

We haven't been told that they died, at least from what I have heard

[fervent sun]

isnt he assumed dead?

[sand jasper]

I forgot where Oru is mentioned

[rich scarab]

i thought so too

[sand jasper]

Yeha I think it’s at minimum implied selium is dead if not outright stated

[fervent sun]

selium is said to be dead due to being missing i'm pretty sure

[rich scarab]

ahhh yes so true

[lusty glacier]

selium last appeared 100 years before present iirc

[tepid blade]

They are MIA at least, possibly dead, but not confirmed

[fervent sun]

wasnt 22 years ago?

[rich scarab]

do we think wastelands will be post-apotheosis or inserted into main questline?

[sand jasper]

post apotheosis definetly

[burnt robin]

NO LMAO

[tepid blade]

My guess is post, like we have to find out what is going on there, and stop a queen loyal sovereign(s) in the process

[burnt robin]

ITS PART OF A MINIQUEST

[lusty glacier]

i think its like 1000 AP, or at least at the start of the game. and the envoy came 900 AP

[sand jasper]

where in the hell can they insert it into the main questline

[burnt robin]

GENUINELY ITS JUST FOR SLAYING RHINOS

😭

[rich scarab]

mistwoods or smth, have us actually go there instead of tasim going like "nah go away"

[fervent sun]

oh i mean the last mention of selium isnt in that ||true colours cabinet||?

i could be wrong

[lusty glacier]

idk what IA years are

[rich scarab]

i feel like it'd be a bit weird to raise the level cap again so soon and unless wastelands is just 1 quest at level 120 it'd need one

[fervent sun]

IA is industrial age, current age (that started due to Soosu)

[sand jasper]

i can see that tho ngl

[tepid blade]

Well that because he told us that we need to save people from changlings

[lusty glacier]

meant its comparison to portal based calender

[fervent sun]

ah well 120 IA is nowdays i think

[lusty glacier]

ah icic

[tepid blade]

True on the level cap part, unless they want to do something at least a little bit big for it, but not expansion sized, like a mini expansion

[fervent sun]

Oru is mentioned a few times, mostly by the Canopy I think, also you can see a little about him in Aelumia University

[tepid blade]

He is the Warden at the Gravity Monolith prison, so he's mentioned when ever that's mentioned

[fervent sun]

yep

also old as heck isnt he?

[sand jasper]

ahhh icic

[rich scarab]

2nd oldest of the sovreigns behind two iirc

[lusty glacier]

oh hes the warden?

[tepid blade]

yeah

[fervent sun]

oh cool the sovereigns portraits were added in the aelumia university (except by Oru)

[fervent sun]

he is the soreveing of penitence district since 4 KA and is the warden of Deraj prison since 36 NA

[cedar kernel]

Btw KA is like the second of the 4 ages

[burnt robin]

WTF

THIS IS A MAJOR ID???

[cedar kernel]

Yeah, there’s a weapon for it for every class

And a necklace

And an armor piece I think?

[burnt robin]

wait hold up

this alcove kinda has aura

also

new wynn lore dropped

this is literally concerning ALL the major towns in wynn

[signal bough]

ah, you've found Rosetta 1

[hasty beacon]

How many are there?

Also damn we shouldve gone back to fruma thru that

[signal bough]

At least one more...

[cedar kernel]

Canon invis wall

[hasty beacon]

Barrier blocks arent canon🤬🤬🤬

[signal bough]

there's two Rosettas and an unknown number more records or flashbacks or item descriptions

for the casual player, at the moment, best to just visit the Rosettas

[cedar kernel]

Should be smh

[cedar kernel]

“Casual” archaeologists

[signal bough]

well most archaeologists aren't translating the book of the dead based on the rosetta stone alone for fun

[brave rune]

Snipers are

[buoyant depot]

how would fruma view elves

regarding magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably same as cursed but probably more racist cause they are non human

[acoustic kindle]

they cant even handle their own race having a little spice in the system

[zinc quarry]

wait for the celebration in smoke quest what was the correct answer? i chose that none of them are guilty and it ended up with all of the accused being burned. were any of them actually guilty or was it just to show how ruthless(?) aldwell can be?

also does accusing 1 specific person just result in only them being burned or does anythign else happen?

[buoyant depot]

the former.

[zinc quarry]

i see

so no change otherwise

[tepid blade]

Okay, I actually think there is no right answer to the quest, you either choose some one to be burned or you don't, it is all guessing, with evidence of course

[buoyant depot]

||we'll probs never know who, if ANYBODY, was a changeling||

[slim belfry]

yeah all 3 could be or none

[zinc quarry]

ok thx i was just wondering if i did smth wrong

ty

[tepid blade]

I do like that there is no right answer in the quest, it makes you decision feel a lot heavier in the end, as you might have killed an innocent or a changeling and you will never know in the end

[wary lantern]

someone please blow my brains out of my skull if i try making a theory again lol im worse than fucking matpat it seems kthxbaiii

[signal bough]

Spoilers ||There was no changeling, Aldwell just wanted someone to burn for the festival||

[tepid blade]

why?

what did you do

[wary lantern]

nothin bad unless you count being too fuckin sleep deprived to read and making stupid ass theories based off idiotic bases bad

idk lol

im even stupider and illiterate than i thought turns out

[tepid blade]

What theory did you make? or what was it about?

[wary lantern]

😭

dont encourage me man

[tepid blade]

that bad huh

[wary lantern]

lol

[tepid blade]

I won't make you tell it if you don't want too

[wary lantern]

||i was wondering if player was void beast/scion||

literally how fucking stupid can i be

lol

[tepid blade]

oh, I remeber you talking about that earlier LMAO

[wary lantern]

i think i just need to be euthanized in general but

lmao

😭

eh what can ya do

havent slept more than like 5 hours since it was still 2025

[tepid blade]

let you live with your mistake I guess

[wary lantern]

i guess i do deserve that

lol

[slim belfry]

this is one of many btw

we have
||void
twilight
physical plane
other realm ||

and this is only for ||beast/scion||

the others would be something like
||balance or order to act opposite of chaos
life itself
defense system of the world
direct vessel of the actual player
and probably more||

[exotic bough]

i actually made this to help consolidate magic knowledge while yall were talking abt player being the order scion or smth like that

(that second half of the second paragraph in the high magic section is just pure theory dont take it as fact)

[gloomy idol]

how come twilight theory is coming back

[exotic bough]

its a classic dammit

[gloomy idol]

i didnt see anything like that in the dialogues ngl

ah

[exotic bough]

let me have my twilight copium

[slim belfry]

@hybrid gazelle look a magic system chart to see

[exotic bough]

please do not yell at me if i got anything wrong bc i gtg to bed

[slim belfry]

ok gn

[signal bough]

wynncraft: twilight forest???

[slim belfry]

but I think the cosmic relation to time and space has grounding

we know that the olms encountered meteors and dealt with time magic

also another thing to note is that cosmic is also like amplifying magic

[acoustic kindle]

I like to think that the player's some sort of || blank vessel created to store orphion/dern beast like the queen's body but got thrown to fruma somehow||

one of my fav tropes

[slim belfry]

oh right ||deltarune vessel/not our own|| theory

[half garden]

The trees sure are beautiful...

[slim belfry]

she has one of those rendering mods on

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the main issue wit hthis is like

we dont really know if cosmic magic connected to time and space or not

with recent lore drop the disconnect between the two is more clear

with ||Zhiraok have time magic and Majin have cosmic magic||

||cosmic magic seems to directly draw power from the cosmo thus become very powerful and voliate||

||So I dont think it connected to time and space magic at all||

[lusty glacier]

isnt the mage class also kinda connected to cosmic magic with tp and meteor?

[hybrid gazelle]

||Since if they are conected then Zhiraok would get the same side effect||

the thing that class do is not canon to the game lore

so for example mage using meteor is like

yeah sure it probably connect to cosmic magic but it not really that important and only exist in gameplay

and the thing is that

||Ensemble of hope make it CLEAR that something like corruption and maybe by extension dark and light is not a strand at all it's somethi ng ENTIRELY different so therefore not magic||

||Soosu and Sui make comment on this||

[unique cedar]

Honestly would be cool if Arcanist was themed around Cosmic Magic instead

would make thematic sense that you don't get the heal spell

losing sanity for power

[lusty glacier]

while classes might not be common i still feel like they have some sort of connection

[hybrid gazelle]

||also we dont know if corruption have correlation with cosmic or not, just feel like it came out of nowhere in the graph||

there probably is connection but I dont think we should use it as concrete info

[lusty glacier]

like lightbender and fallen and such

[hybrid gazelle]

consider stuff like class was made before these concept was conceptualize

my ruel is

Canon lore -> Archetype
Archetype <-/- Canon Lore

Archetype can draw reference from canon lore

but it should not be use as basis

becuase then you get something confusing going on

[lusty glacier]

yea thats probably correct, but i think it means we can infer stuff rather than saying player can use cosmic magic

[hybrid gazelle]

and even then the CT that work on archetype mention before that archetype were made to not conflict or conflict with the canon lore

[exotic bough]

augh i said i would go to sleep but i have to comment on some of these things

[hybrid gazelle]

also i Just find the concept of

void magic to be strange

so like

what does it do LOL

like

I understand the idea of absence of magic

but that like

jst no magic

so IDK why is it void magic

[exotic bough]

note the arrows pointing from chaos/corruption and order/twilight to cosmic magic, and that space and time are connected to cosmic with just lines. space and time magic are shown here as parts of the whole instead of applications of the whole.

[lusty glacier]

we do know that some spells are canon though

[hybrid gazelle]

some spells like canon yes they are easy to bring it to canon lore with out difficult

but when you get shit like Fallen

I am sorry but people in Wynn will put you down like a dog

[slim belfry]

I mean

[hybrid gazelle]

if you use corruption on you daily

[slim belfry]

the recent thing has a funny interaction with fallen lol

[hybrid gazelle]

that shit is like "I weaponize COIVD"

yeah but it more of neat little detail to mention

[exotic bough]

corruption is strongly associated with chaos. a meteor in gavel excavation is tied to chaos, implying that there is some interaction between the two that also reflects on chaos/corruption's opposite (twilight)

[wary lantern]

||elise|| uses voxy confirmed 🔥

[wary lantern]

its not void i was being fucking stupid

[slim belfry]

or the other ones idk

[exotic bough]

magic that cancels out other magic essentially

nullifying magic

[lusty glacier]

how so?

[hybrid gazelle]

then yeah fine I guess I feel like that should exist in like physical plane

anti-magic material surely exist

[wary lantern]

ahh her memory issues was because she was using bobby, and her RAM was full cuz of its shitty optimization

[hybrid gazelle]

oh wait I forgot gavel fucking suck

also Gavelex

IDK man

I keep forgetting that lore exist

[wary lantern]

the void is just the void

[hybrid gazelle]

will it ever be relevant???

I kinda just

[wary lantern]

it wouldnt have a beast or anything

[hybrid gazelle]

waiting Wynnex to be rework rn

[slim belfry]

I dont have proof but someone said that ||taking anathema's power while being fallen says you only have an ember of corruption||

[hybrid gazelle]

before using anything from it

that shit old as fuck

[lusty glacier]

oh i see

[exotic bough]

fair

[hybrid gazelle]

because the problem with connection between corruption and cosmic is that

by that extend

light and dark also have to connect to

which I can kinda see it??

like Cosmic is place of dark and light

like eternal darkness of space

and brightness of star

I can see the idea but ehhhh

IDK we just dont know much about cosmic beside it like a steroid

it draw power from the cosmo but like

what is it

[slim belfry]

the beasts launched meteors at each other but hit the world by accident
🤯

[wary lantern]

entirely diff thought but

[hybrid gazelle]

cause at least we can see elemental magic to be manipulation of element

[wary lantern]

runes and crystals

there are 5 crystals (4 in WE and one in the void we go past)

[hybrid gazelle]

which allow people to change the world and element thatm ade up of it

but like

[wary lantern]

both can be used to escape/enter a realm

[hybrid gazelle]

what is cosmic, is it directly draw power from space itself to od many thing like warping reality?

[lusty glacier]

they seem to have some effect on sanity and has immense power but other than that, not a lot

[wary lantern]

both have core-level control over existence

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the effect of sanity is mroe from the fact that like

[wary lantern]

and can be cataclysmic

[hybrid gazelle]

the power is too much for one person to handle

it like TOO MUCH POWER kind of trope

[wary lantern]

what if the crystals were like, horrendously potent conglomerations of rune magic

[hybrid gazelle]

hmmm

maybe

[wary lantern]

we alr know runes r tied to elements

[hybrid gazelle]

runes ARE the element

[wary lantern]

yeha

exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

||according to Yasanu||

so maybe

[wary lantern]

shoulda reversed my sentence mb

[hybrid gazelle]

wait did not crystal in wynnex only has like

4 crystals???

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[wary lantern]

theres a 5th blue one in void

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah void one

[wary lantern]

red green yellow purple WE

[formal bridge]

yellow, purple, red, green

[slim belfry]

I think that paired with the amplifying trait of cosmic

[wary lantern]

blue void

[hybrid gazelle]

I fucking that ma

can we blow up void crystal

[lusty glacier]

purple is a bit unusual for the elements

[slim belfry]

notice that the people affected by cosmic magic had their traits upscaled by unhealthy levels

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft and its many colroful kidney stones that may or may not relate to one another

[wary lantern]

red - nii - fire
yellow - ek - thunder
blue - uth - air
purple - az - water
green - tol - earth

[hybrid gazelle]

iDK maybe next lore drop will reveal that these crystals are actually realm beast's kidney stones

IDK

[wary lantern]

i may have mixed up az and uth but it doesnt matter

[hybrid gazelle]

we did fight the Eye

[slim belfry]

hmmm maybe I do have cosmic magic 🤔

[hybrid gazelle]

oh weait

I forgot

the void crystal is relate to how island is floating

how?

IDk

[wary lantern]

thats the purple one

we pass a blue one

[hybrid gazelle]

apperantly this is like not apply to other crystal I feel like it does not has to do with wynnex crystal

But then again the green one help the olm escape and the other color one dont do anything

so????

like

[slim belfry]

oh no wynnex

[hybrid gazelle]

what else they do

[wary lantern]

||theres also a blue one in the Crystal house of the aelumia university||

[hybrid gazelle]

oh GOD my worst nightmare

[wary lantern]

all 4 together help them escape, they just scattered them afterward

[hybrid gazelle]

wynnex have relevancy

[wary lantern]

also yeah lol

[hybrid gazelle]

truely we in the dark age

[wary lantern]

they have said they plan to revamp it

[lusty glacier]

why do you hate them?

[wary lantern]

hopefully that happens soonish and claers this all up

[hybrid gazelle]

wait is that the thing?

[wary lantern]

wiki says so anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

Try to decipher a messages that probably 10+ years old and even modern CT likely dont evek nopw what it talking about

like just imagine that

[wary lantern]

im pretty sure its clear ingame too xd

the olms also clearly used all 4

[hybrid gazelle]

I geniunely

[wary lantern]

not just green

[exotic bough]

its explicitly mentioned on 2.1 changelog

[hybrid gazelle]

do not remember anything from Wynnex

[wary lantern]

the city has one using all 4 colors in it even

[hybrid gazelle]

it just a void in my memory

[wary lantern]

the one passive friendly uncorrupted olm

off in the side

and fair

shits ancient

dont blame ya

[lusty glacier]

what is?

[wary lantern]

i like it tho, hope they do it justice soon

[exotic bough]

wynnex being reworked some day(tm)

will prob come with a later update to a story update

[lusty glacier]

ah yea i remember something like that

[hybrid gazelle]

น้้้ ไฟระ

Oh I get it now

the info is said through the fucking dialogue in the chat

that appear while you do the crystal puzzle

that why I miss it

[tepid blade]

what does that even say?

[hybrid gazelle]

OLms use the crystal to escape and shatter it

and apperantly this something to do with Light and Dark

cause uhh

yeah

Majin's balls

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1489552283468300329/ezgif-4fe43c2ff019895d.gif

[lusty glacier]

i wonder what makes us so strong

[slim belfry]

the weird and mysterious well

[hybrid gazelle]

if we are not strong then I afraid wynncraft would end right there

how would Salted profit from silverbull if the player fucking dead

[lusty glacier]

i mean some stuff just don't really add up lorewise if we are a regular soldier

[tepid blade]

That is what everyone is wondering

[hybrid gazelle]

I am just joking

anwyay tbh wynnex at least is old

like I dont like it because I dont even know if some of the lore wll be relevant or not

but look at it again

IDK if crystals stay in canon

I kinda hope not because I feel like they can do a lot better than fucking crystals

mcguffin kidney stone is boring consider wynncraft overuse use that shit with how mnay crystals we have in wynn

and they MAY or MAY NOT

relate to each other

like yeah this crystal make you insane but you obessess over one thing

this crystal make you insane and evil

this crystal make you into mutated hungry ass caterpillar that also breed like rabbit

this crystal make the void islands float or something i guess

this crystal is purple and blue

it exist

this crystal is on top of the tower

it exist

maybe the real villain of wynncraft alone is the crystals

maybe we will fight like

Beast of Crystals or some shit from the crystal realm

[lusty glacier]

crystals are rather common yea

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they are rare it just very boring to hear what they do in the game because it geinuely like

yeah they do something

but it jsut feel like they are mcguffin than something that geniunely exist in the world

okay so just imagine

||Resoance weaver just mention to be powerful and nothing more in Fruma story

yeah that like what they did with crystals back then LOL||

[lusty glacier]

crystals tend to be the default magical thingy so not surprised how it went

[hybrid gazelle]

They just mcguffins that outside o the story context, literally has no meaning

but yeah I just think

if they get to rework wynnex

IDK man they can do a lot better than crystals

[lusty glacier]

i wonder what solid could be a standin

[hybrid gazelle]

well amadel for one

and player going into different site

I think that should be the core of Wynnex

[tepid blade]

I mean to be fair, they could still develop the ||Resonance weaver|| in future content

[hybrid gazelle]

I just giving example

||resoance is very well develop plot point||

||I just using it as example on what it woudl bel ike if it was a BAD inclusion to the plot||

||Which is what these crystals are||

[lusty glacier]

isnt that directly tied ||to the rift above the palace? if so, it can prob be used for light/dark portals sometime as well, possibly at least||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Resaonce weaver play a part well into the story as it not only shift your expctation but the act of taking it away lead the story to what it is||

[tepid blade]

alright, misunderstood what you where putting down

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynnex crime is pretty much just it being old

so like it fine

there are worse crime that other quest did

we gotta fucking kill BTG

[lusty glacier]

byg?

[hybrid gazelle]

Beyond the Grave

[lusty glacier]

ah the canon death

[hybrid gazelle]

OMG GUYS WHAT IF

THE ACTUAL CONCEPT OF DEATH SCUKING PLAYER'S TOE

AND KEEP REVIVING THEM THROUGH THE PLOT OF THE STORY

MAKING EVERY STORY HAVE 0 FUCKING STAKE

WOULD NOT THAT BE COOL GUYS

OMG

SOme CT would say that BTG is cnon canon because of the TV screen

I dare to say that BTG is non canon because the quest imply that wynncraft player is likable enough that the concept of Death would be in favor of them

so I rest my case on whetever if BTg is canon or not

[tepid blade]

I thought that death said a higher power favors us, and that's why death revives us over and over agian, but I do agree on it reducing the stakes in the story

and I think that higher power was supposed to be Orphion, sooooo, yeah, that doesn't make sense either

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that why I was like

we gotta kill BTG

Gavel quest is in between of like

questionable but decent

to

Why the fuck would you wrote that

[lusty glacier]

gavel quest?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

Midvel

as one may call

[lusty glacier]

hero of gavek?

[hybrid gazelle]

Hero of gavel is one of the good one so yeah

I mean

it decent

Iguess I would not call it good
I just dont have that much memory of it but I find the concept of siegfried pretty good

I really like the concept of siegfried

[lusty glacier]

i meant is the gavel quest you speak of "the hero fo gavel"?

[tepid blade]

I would like this one a lot more if it didn't break for like 2 hours

[winged narwhal]

beyond the grave is fun but it's definitely a relic of when wynn just kinda threw shit at the wall for quests

[hybrid gazelle]

oh no I am talking about the mid game gavel quest

so shit like ROL
Iron Golem quest

[lusty glacier]

oh you mean like that

[hybrid gazelle]

and you get osme case like Hidden City quest

[lusty glacier]

thought you were talking about a spedific one

[hybrid gazelle]

which feature couple who refer their son as half breed and literally do not give a shit about him fuckingbeing dead

what does wynncraft mean by this?

[tepid blade]

Bro isn't dead though, he gave his message to his mother who decided not to turn the city in

[hybrid gazelle]

I am sure he dead

becaues i see his fucking bloddied body

among the airship ruin 😭

alos his parents just go like

"I wonder how he doing"

funniest shit is that this is the only instance of mixed couple being shown in wynncraft

[winged narwhal]

villager human racism as a whole is a poorly handled plot point

even without the antisemitism

[hybrid gazelle]

I can see that the moment the dad refer his son as half breed 😭

LIKE BRO
THAT YOUR SON

[frozen turtle]

egg

[tepid blade]

egg

[whole nebula]

quick question is there any additional lore to ||finish up the story after WTP||

I haven't done the ||raid|| yet

or are they planning on leaving ||the conclusion more open ended and possible character arcs|| left for ||Dern||

[frozen turtle]

maybe? not sure but ik they're gonna add the ||wastelands|| at some point in fruma. idk what direction the story is going in that area tho

if its gonna be related or new

[whole nebula]

yeah

ig we'll just have to wait and see

[formal bridge]

There is more to come with updates, so it's very much not done yet

[cedar kernel]

lore question: why do the trombones and brass in general bop so hard in all the fruma tracks hehe

[bronze trout]

quick question does anyone know where this key goes? its from the dye guys in hyloch.

[signal bough]

stone slabs on the floor of the building

[bronze trout]

huh neat.

[zinc quarry]

do like all the lore revelations come in apotheosis or smth btw ive done everything before apotheosis and it feels like the lore revelations have not been super numerous/insane

[lavish ruin]

Am I the only one confused as to why the character chooses to kill Garoth? Like before he was a little bit like Shockwave and we were putting a stop to his experiments. But now we just stumble in, and kill one of the last living Olm’s.

[signal bough]

someone starts swinging and the player knows only to kill

[lavish ruin]

We started it though. Like everything was perfectly fine and we just decide to destroy his home outside of time

Idk it just feels like such an out of the blue encounter. I wish we had more quests in Time Valley

[sleek carbon]

Is the Gavel shown from Two's mirror just her personal opinion
Orphion doesn't seem to be infesting Gavel like that

[drifting aurora]

the highlands chapter as a whole

overture is the big one

theres also a big chunk of lore revelations in the post-raid boss interaction

[young sequoia]

so someone here mentioned that if we ask silverbull employees about SE lr, they think we made it up

so what would they said about fruma lr

how can I like ask about SE lr so I can check it by myself

[spring kernel]

Overture to despair has one of the biggest lore reveals

[zinc quarry]

i see

[zinc quarry]

is that the one about the realms

[signal bough]

yeah I think Orphion has more distance to travel than the dern beast's creation of a darkened Detlas

for a variety of reasons

[potent isle]

...oh my GOD
"There is no war inside the fruman walls."
||There is no war inside the fruman walls.||

[signal bough]

even discounting his lack of strength in the war at the moment, you have the claim of benevolent divinity making him less prone to taking actions like that, and multiple friendly underlings such as Lari and Professor Eih

[frozen turtle]

Didn't they mention in like Overture or Apothesis or somewhere there ||that the darkness has some power advantage that we don't know about but the queen wanted to find out|| which may be why

or not

[potent isle]

they're literally telling us that there is no ||War Realm Beast|| in Fruma

the fruman queen gives off immense white woman vibes to me, how else do i describe it

so
did they like
decanonize the order of the grook elemental lore
where water is associated with holiness and magic by default, thunder and fire with corruption, souls and spirits being associated with air

were these things actually reflected in gameplay or lore at all

[hybrid gazelle]

no not reall

yit just Grookwart fucking suck at trying to explain thing

[potent isle]

damn
like i find it some very interesting associations and then they actually do nothing with it

[hybrid gazelle]

Thuder and fire dont really associate with corruption

but corruption tend to associate with fire

[potent isle]

can we trust any grookwarts magic lore whatsoever

[hybrid gazelle]

lexnt said that the lore still applictable

so sure

[uneven basin]

Since we || kill anathema || is || corruption over like the decay ? Like it's going to disappear ? ||

[cinder cedar]

I think that as long as the realm portals remain open and they have access to ours, it’s not truly going to end.

[summer torrent]

prob not, ||anathema|| is like the manifestation of it

killed whatever is physical but cannot kill the concept

[uneven basin]

Also subsidiary question || is there any line of dialogue about what she feels about how her domain devastated the Wynn province ? Besides the fact that she hates her influence ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||nope corruption will contineu to exist||

[hybrid gazelle]

||It empower her so she allow it to gon but she face the reality the fact that it still blight upon the world that need to be dealt with||

[uneven basin]

|| Does that mean there's no way to "fix it" ||

[hybrid gazelle]

dont know

[mossy badge]

Surely there is

[ashen relic]

I mean
It's true that corrruption mobs tend to have some form of fire/thunder ele defs
And light mobs tend to be more water focused
But it's been less true over time as mobs get diversified more and in general grookwarts is kind of outdated

Like it still broadly holds up but there's def seams

[mossy badge]

Just introduce light, dark and war eles in dern update coming 2030 🤯

[mossy badge]

Its just gameplay

[ashen relic]

helll naw
That random blacksmith in AJB cannot be proven right ever

[mossy badge]

I mean he's alr proven right

Stuff just doesn't exist cuz gameplay

[signal bough]

what do we do to our soul again there

[drifting aurora]

these arent decanonized at all, i dont know what gave you that impression?

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they just take information wrong

[drifting aurora]

❌

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think information in Grookwart ever come up gain

so it they though it been decanonize LOL

I wonder how grookwart woul be like

consider magic system is now a bit solid

I feel like grookwart have more intrestign to topic about than

fucking wybel

[mossy badge]

What does this mean 🤔 , it won't come cuz gameplay?

But when are we getting orph, seph and ana runes ❓

[hybrid gazelle]

If we getting rune for next expansion

would not it be cosmic rune

because there literally no other "element"

Unelss Dern raid going to using Ek rune