📚lore_discussion

[snow kiln]

its like main quest storyline

yea the stelle shows us the formations of the cities

[tulip pike]

no i though electro magic was a alternate magic, seperate from wynn magic?

[snow kiln]

bruh did u play any of the main storyline???

there are 5 elements

SUI uses air and water

[tulip pike]

i did

[snow kiln]

corkians just use electric

corkians are 'cursed'

[clever quartz]

Why is she lowk op

[tulip pike]

bruh, they musta retconed since I last paid attention to the queasts

[snow kiln]

MC syndrome

[tulip pike]

look at nessak real quick

[snow kiln]

they didn't retconn shit 😭

[clever quartz]

Well theo is built different

are they related somehow

or they just have same element

[snow kiln]

not related, theorick comes from a great house, Sui is just a poor estranged kid

[tulip pike]

they are just the same element but they are built the same cause she doesn't need a focus

[snow kiln]

yea this is true

more evidence that bob was a fraud smh

[signal bough]

so the Corkians say they went overland and lost their memories, while the SD says that ||they escaped via air and had no reason to have lost their memories||

[clever quartz]

what's a focus again

[snow kiln]

btw isn't it weird how Soosu invents electricity after Corkus. I am curious if soosu inveted it first or corkus did?

[clever quartz]

like a weapon to channel magic?

[tulip pike]

pretty sure he wasn't his diffrent build was that he had way more ability points than others, with the cursed ones SD info ||they had to specialize to not spread themselves thin||

[snow kiln]

yea

[tulip pike]

weapon, stone, thing to channel magic through

[clever quartz]

Oh

[snow kiln]

where is that first line, I've always known it as that they had escaped corkus

[warm flicker]

my theory is that ||theres some magical forcefield around fruma that insta-erases anyone's memory||

[tulip pike]

SEE I KNOW MY QUESTS

[signal bough]

Relos secret library

so uh

someone

go check the relos secret library and see if the lore was updated

it's literally Corkus

[clever quartz]

Corkus is USA

[snow kiln]

maybe the settlers didn't want to spread what was in Fruma cause they didn't want people to try to go back.

[clever quartz]

wait nvm corkus doesn't give 300 stx to fruma

[signal bough]

no that's Gavel

[snow kiln]

no dern is actually under a lake of oil

[tulip pike]

litterally don't polotics is a no go in the server iirc

[clever quartz]

Oh that's why my politics thread is gone

or maybe it's just inactive

[snow kiln]

the only politics allowed is the age old question is if r34 of soosu that exists is allowed cause she hasn't aged in 200 years, but at the same time...

[signal bough]

apparently despite owning an extremely small fraction of the island and having no valuable resources the Avo are internationally recognized as the rightful owners of Corkus

[clever quartz]

Who are all of Saphanis' servants

[snow kiln]

they were the native species 😭

[clever quartz]

I'm about to make an analogy

[snow kiln]

Ig the frumans are british if we're doing it like that

[tulip pike]

they are the natives? and that was a prevelent issue of recent times irl?

[snow kiln]

no it wasn't, the frumans didn't care hence the current avo, corkian hostility

[tulip pike]

there is a colonial decree, yes

[signal bough]

I guess imperial japanese corkus is in the cards

[clever quartz]

So who's everyone that serves Dern

[tulip pike]

greg, eye, beast, parasite

[clever quartz]

Who's the one that displaced the Olm

Greg?

[tulip pike]

eye and beast are the same thing

[tulip pike]

beast

greg is "employed" by dern, but is really just a prisoner

[royal yarrow]

Is Dern a future province that they will add like Fruma? Also what is Dern and how did it get there

[clever quartz]

Where his legs at

[signal bough]

Dern is timeless

[snow kiln]

Bak'all also serves dern

[signal bough]

it's like the realm of light

[snow kiln]

which is actually like mega important

[signal bough]

hold on there's something else isn't there

[clever quartz]

Given current lore I'd expect him to serve ||Anathema||

[royal yarrow]

So is it a Province?

[signal bough]

it is not

[snow kiln]

no?

I mean he did

but he quit

[clever quartz]

really

[tulip pike]

might be added, but might already be added, technically TNA is in dern and is primarily a raid like NOL

[ancient dock]

||anathema talks about this in the post raid NPC dialogue||

[snow kiln]

cause dern cooler 👍

[royal yarrow]

Oh ok

[signal bough]

there's a hint that there's another province that is where Dern is adjacent to

[snow kiln]

and how he betrayed her 😭

[clever quartz]

Yeah I should stop holding shift

[snow kiln]

huh?

[clever quartz]

Prolly SE?

[signal bough]

so we get a depiction of the realms and where they correspond to

the light, gavel, war, wynn, and dern is above a tangled jumble of letters

[tulip pike]

is anethema before annie or after?

[snow kiln]

I'm not quite sure what you're saying, you mean like how ROL is to gavel and War is to wynn, you're saying Dern is to something?

[signal bough]

it could be 'Silent Expanse' jumbled I suppose

[warm flicker]

oh i always assumed that was the silent expanse

[ancient dock]

||anathema was always there||

[signal bough]

ye

its in a realm of light quest

[tulip pike]

|| as in in wynn or war?||

[snow kiln]

well she came after orphion and ||saphilis||

[signal bough]

here's the image

[snow kiln]

I can count the pixels

[ancient dock]

||yeah true, so that would mean that she was there before the first ever annihilation||

[snow kiln]

oh yeah right

[snow kiln]

its probably just SE, as SE wasn't completed when gavel first came out, so they just left a placeholder

[signal bough]

the corruption portal should be in Selchar smh

[warm flicker]

Selchar has had it too good for too long

[tulip pike]

||annie is the trump card right? probably just let loose since Ba'kal was defeated? hence the WE||

[rich scarab]

TNA is in the void, not dern, no?

[snow kiln]

no, she can't control them

bro just decided to show up

[snow kiln]

I just headcannon to pocket dimension cause the black hole lore is so weird

[clever quartz]

Yeah the secret discoveries about the void

[tulip pike]

I am unsure, I thought void too, but i was told it's not, and haven't read the raid paragraphs enough. greg is improsioned to there at least

[clever quartz]

also there's an actual void under sky island

[snow kiln]

For me there's only 1 time we go to dern

and its that one weird as gateway realm quest

[signal bough]

it's just SE

[tulip pike]

no I didn't say shit about anyone contolling anything, I was saying annie is coming through the portal becasue there is no longer a gatekeeper

[rich scarab]

overture to dispair would suggest that there's only 1 portal to each realm at the moment, and we know where the dern one is

[tulip pike]

aka anything controlling it

[signal bough]

so if you look up, towards the top of the canyons you're in, you will see a normal, if withered, tree

[tulip pike]

and light and war

[snow kiln]

uh well Bak'al died so long ago in comparison to the lore of the game I don't know why the annihilations would take 300 years to show up

[rich scarab]

we also know what a dern portal looks like, and the one in fantastic voyage is not like it

[snow kiln]

how does overture to despair suggest this exactly?

[tulip pike]

how long does it take for a mindless beast to wander aimlessly to find a portal?

[snow kiln]

I mean there are so many annihilations

like 300 is a long time

surely one would show up before the player rolls up

[tulip pike]

keeping war at bay, it returns again and again trying to get through

same annie, draged back into the portal not dead

[snow kiln]

wait is the annie world event even cannon

are WEs cannon?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

Annie is canon because mention in the arg

[snow kiln]

aight

[tulip pike]

annie is a Major world event

[snow kiln]

putting major on the front don't make it more or less cannon 🙃

altho we could use with another major WE

prison break WE where we vs Oru??

[tulip pike]

it's major proly cause it's endgame and basically the ricruits canonically coming back to hold off war, idk

[tulip pike]

or trainjack a prison transport

[rich scarab]

looking at overture to dispair text again and yeah nvm it doesnt seem to suggest much like that, but the rest still stands - realm portals are incredibly distinct (||even the rift at the end of apotheosis looks similar to the RoW portal at the roots||) and the gateway island portal looks nothing like the dern portal

[snow kiln]

Actually this nags at me, why is she sending her people which she loves, to go fight her servants which she is too weak to control. Like dawg

[rich scarab]

and also, why would the eye only turn us away after we got into the realm?

[tulip pike]

if any realm wins, the world is destroyed

even war

[snow kiln]

gateway island isn't actally a portal, its just a place where both lands intersect, its more like a door than a portal.

[signal bough]

cause she hates the people who act out, and if wynn goes, Two says it'd be bad for everyone

[tulip pike]

wynn is an active zombie apocalypse, if new force doesn't go in, lost force will become the enemy and wynn gets overwhelmed

[snow kiln]

but why would it be bad for fruma, they're self sustaining

if wynn became fully corrupted

[rich scarab]

idk it looks awfully like a portal

[snow kiln]

then it'd keep dern and light at bay

[signal bough]

guess Two foresaw Bob or smthn

[snow kiln]

in the lore its explained that each realm lies on its own plane, gateway realm is just where the planes intersected

[snow kiln]

dude who tf is she man 😭

[signal bough]

woman with future seeing powers

[snow kiln]

she's older than fruma

[tulip pike]

if war wins and becomes more powerful than light or dark, the balance is still upset and wynn falls into the void anyways

[snow kiln]

she's not a soverign listed in the museum

she's aware of the nature of the world

like who is blud

[signal bough]

older than Fruma or older than a united Fruma?

[snow kiln]

older than the queen's arrival to fruma

[signal bough]

cause isnt oru also older than that

[snow kiln]

we don't know how far before that tho

[snow kiln]

I believe so?

also btw

[rich scarab]

the realms of light, war, and dern lie on the same plane as eachother and the plane of physicality is separate (with no intersection - we've been given 2 diagrams ingame of the planes and neither show any signs of intersect)

[snow kiln]

when I heard the name oru I can't help but feel that oru is an owlk

[snow kiln]

it wasn't a diagram it was in flavor text

[clever quartz]

Let's do some wynncraft powerscaling

[rich scarab]

no like we have the diagrams in RoL4 and overture to dispair

RoL4 one showing about how the realms line up with different places in physicality

[snow kiln]

The ROL thing ain't a diagram man

a tree is trying to explain it as simply as possible

like no shit its dumbed down

In the flavour text of that quest the realms are more like this

where like red is dern, blue is material, and the line between is gateway

[clever quartz]

Can the gateway theoretically encompass the whole line in which the 2 planes intersect

[snow kiln]

these planes are actually 3D, so it would be 4D, so the gateway realm would encompass a volume, which is just a tunnel

[clever quartz]

I see

[rich scarab]

so do you think there are just some random natural points of connection between physicality and influence?

(and you are aware right that dern, war, and light are on the same plane - the plane of influence?)

[snow kiln]

if they were on the same plane then gateway tunnel would have all the realm

[snow kiln]

we see in 2's diagram that war, light and dark are all seperate

[rich scarab]

idk the guardian of the forest (the previous one housing the light portal btw) seems to think they're on the same plane

and this isnt any simpler than just "this is the plane of physicality, but theres also some others: the planes of light, war, and dark"

so it isnt like this'd be dumbing it down at all

[snow kiln]

but if this is true it wouldn't make any sense then, nothing would stop us going from flying from orphions citadel to ||anathema's crown|| to dern beasts kink dungeon.

[rich scarab]

there's still huge amounts of void between them and while in gameplay we can fly indefinitely i doubt that's really accounted for in lore

[snow kiln]

orphion could just take us there :|

[rich scarab]

he probably has no power outside of his own claim

[snow kiln]

now we're just construing things

its a lot simpler to just say tree was simplifying the problem

and its just 3 different realms

[rich scarab]

i mean they are reffered to as 3 different realms, just on the same plane of existence

they are still distinct realms, just not as separate as the two planes are from one another

[snow kiln]

Tree guy could just be saying its like this then, where they're on the same plane, but they aren't physically onto of each other

[formal bridge]

maybe we just need picard to figure out what's going on here so we stop getting mixed metaphors on wtf is happening

[gloomy idol]

i think, that when they say realm or plane it does not necessarily mean a physical volume

[snow kiln]

see this is the crux of the problem, plane is kinda superfluous when we're talking this fantastical

stupid tree needs to use more rigorous words to define these things

must've never done math in school, always got it easy, stupid boomer tree

[rich scarab]

two has no reason to be a more reliable source for this than the tree, and the tree gave us a much more detailed model for this, so why use an interpretation from two's one when it isnt even clear what's going on (unlike the tree's)

[slim belfry]

I don't think anyone talking to the tree would have that type of understanding of their reality

[formal bridge]

two also loves flowery language and metaphors

[snow kiln]

well I'm going meta commentary and let's just realise that 2's rendition is more up to date for what the devs want the story to be

[formal bridge]

oh for sure, I feel 2's should be given more weight

But it's still not the most clear thing ever

[snow kiln]

yeah 2 doesn't really explain anything properly

[slim belfry]

the concrete idea given by 2 are the three representations of influence being separate from each other

[snow kiln]

well her definition for the RoW was a bit abstract considering its inherently tied to RoL and Dern

her metaphors and mirror fetish do make it hard to interpret her true meaning in her words :\

[rich scarab]

even then they're all represented in the same 2d plane in her diagram, which could absolutely be to show that they're on the same plane meanwhile physicality is elsewhere on its own one

[snow kiln]

I mean, she's representing them as spheres, tree is representing them as planes I think these representation are just ways of explaining it to the layman player as opposed to the actual structure of the universe.

cause like if they had material realm on the same level then you couldn't connect it with lines and then put War between them. Cause war would then be between material, dark and light.

[hybrid gazelle]

What you mean the tree thst on Orphion’s side???

The guardian tree thst guard the gate of light??

You mean the guardian tree that been connected and associate with the Light?

[rich scarab]

absolutely yeah, i'm just saying that the only places where any of this stuff is explicitly stated tells us that they're 2 planes

[snow kiln]

yeah the the loredump tree

[hybrid gazelle]

You mean that tree

That fucking free

[snow kiln]

yeas

that

[hybrid gazelle]

That guide Lari

[snow kiln]

fucking

[slim belfry]

oh boy here we go

[snow kiln]

tree

[hybrid gazelle]

As reliable source

[snow kiln]

he keeps saying its a reliable source 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah no I rather choose the non bias one sorry

[cobalt flame]

guys do people actually buy weapons? i want emeralds

[snow kiln]

2 ain't non bias fam

[rich scarab]

if we were to ask him "whos better, light or dark?" he'd absolutely not be a good source of info, but like. how would it help the light to lie about the structure of the realms?

[slim belfry]

2 is biased towards us 👀

[snow kiln]

Player 2 romance arc?

🙏 please devs

give my boi a shot

[rich scarab]

in 99% of stuff the tree wouldnt be the slightest bit reliable, in this though theres 0 reason to lie and he'd have all the knowledge on it

[hybrid gazelle]

Well shit I guess nothing is reliable source so whatever I guess

Can we remove that stupid ass tree

[snow kiln]

dude here's a metaphor for you

imagine the tree as sky news

or fox news as americans have it

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt if you remove that fucking tree from rol rewrite then my soul is your

[slim belfry]

light news

[snow kiln]

wait

RoL rewrite???

[slim belfry]

I really don't like the light this is why I'm a darkness fan

[snow kiln]

I'm a fan of feet so the queen's my baddie

[rich scarab]

fox news showing us a map of the world

or telling us about the continents

[hybrid gazelle]

Rol and ajb/ajf planned to be rrwrite

After fruma

Don’t expect soon tho

Probably like

[slim belfry]

gavel reborn 2 🥳

[hybrid gazelle]

3 years or some shit

[snow kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1nsxm4/fox_news_fails_at_world_geography/

buddy boy

[formal bridge]

fruma isn't even finished being added to the game yet lmao

[rich scarab]

sure it's fox news, i wouldnt trust it with much, but why on earth would it lie (willingly, let's assume they have someone on their map drawing team who actually does know geography) about that

[snow kiln]

its not lying, dude how tf would tree present a 4D reality to human

[slim belfry]

13 years ago wtf

[cobalt flame]

Can boss items be sold in ah

[snow kiln]

our mind would explode

[snow kiln]

suprisingly they do get their maps right a good amount of the time

[rich scarab]

lol i should've clarified sooner the "willingly and not through incompetence" part

[snow kiln]

mainly cause they don't cover news outside the US

[snow kiln]

:P

[slim belfry]

really good thing to consider

[rich scarab]

if the realms werent all on the same plane and were instead each their own thing, it wouldnt tell us they're on the same plane

[snow kiln]

imagine if wynn devs pulled up that 3D graph I made

it'd fly over most players heads

[regal spire]

Okay, YugoslaviaGPT, generate me a map of Eastern Europe before 1999

[cunning bolt]

s h r o o m s already exist do they not

[hybrid gazelle]

I will wait for rol rewrite

Idk what to decide

[snow kiln]

Yahya 9000 has some words for the tree

[rich scarab]

it wouldnt show the entire story sure! but it wouldnt present it as "there's the plane of physicality and the plane of influence, this world is on the former and these 3 realms are on the latter" it'd say "there's the plane of physicality, then there's these 3 planes" and boom, much closer to the truth without brains exploding

[hybrid gazelle]

I wanna make my own ajb and ajf and compare to the new one when it release

[snow kiln]

yes I'm so excited for a RoL rewrite

[hybrid gazelle]

And see how much can I predict the plot

[snow kiln]

thank goodness

ong Imma be honest with you

the mechanism and function of how these realms are placed in higher space

doesn't actually matter at all

[slim belfry]

to make life easier I just use this I made yesterday

[rich scarab]

you were using it as a reason for gateway passage being in dern or smth no 😭

[slim belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399831978072739901/1492693252011327568/Graph.png?ex=69dd93ec&is=69dc426c&hm=4840c69930ca945697b7d0e76a9cbbd0ba6866017785ac3290cf9199f7f94e7a&

[snow kiln]

this is wrong cause it doesn't account for gateway realm

[slim belfry]

we don't know what gateway is

[rich scarab]

we have no idea where gateway realm is

it could be in SE, it could be in the void, it could be in dern (although i personally think that's very unlikely, but that's what started this whole convo)

or it could be somewhere else entirely

[snow kiln]

This is how I'd define the realms, I didn't add in a plane for all the realms cause they wouldn't fit nicely in 3D.

where they intersect is gateway realm

[slim belfry]

yeah the literal planes I had were for convenience they'd realistically be 3D spaces

[summer bluff]

New political alignment compass just dropped

[snow kiln]

Banger, I'll make a tiktok and get all the white girls hooked.

[slim belfry]

oh my gosh stupid idea

. war

dark light

      twilight

[summer bluff]

And in the middle? CORKUS BAYBEEEE

COR BLIMEY

[snow kiln]

Salted: We're introduced the twilight realm, with kissing men abound. Enact your fancies with Gikyo, Majin or the collosi

[summer bluff]

No zhiraok? (I don't think gikyo counts as men on either the human scale or gender scale)

[snow kiln]

Z is too busy handing making sure everyone else is having a good time.

[summer bluff]

You can only unlock zhiraok after pursuing all the others

[rich scarab]

"let's sum our equation"

[snow kiln]

💀 this needs to be the Ultimate SD for all of fruma

[summer bluff]

Gikyo is a warioware fight where you have to switch between attacking them and playing chess and a shooting competition and

[rich scarab]

Z dating sim where that's his pickup line

[summer bluff]

You get one (1) kiss at the end

[snow kiln]

and its a lootbox, you don't know who you're getting

[summer bluff]

1/10000 chance that it's actually gonna be gikyo

[warm flicker]

so you're saying theres still a chance 🥺

[snow kiln]

I don't think the Gikyo we see is actually gikyo, its just a form he likes to take. Iirc he's just slime.

must've been someone he saw a long time ago

[summer bluff]

Yeah, all changelings are slime. Azael is also slime

[summer bluff]

Headcanon is that they're the first person they saw, and the crown replaced like a mistwoods miner with gikyo

[snow kiln]

didn't changelings exist before the crown?

[summer bluff]

Nooooot really

[snow kiln]

they were just extracted from caves

and brought onto the surface

[summer bluff]

Yeah but they were just goo before, not the changelings as we know em

[snow kiln]

I see so they were just trained by the crown

[summer bluff]

New gambling mechanic

[summer bluff]

Methinks you should find all this lore ingame

[snow kiln]

I did but I just have shit memory

[dim sky]

has anybody tried the Mysterious Egg from Heart of the Decay with anything in this update?

[slim belfry]

I think they're still thinking about what to do with it lol

[dim sky]

specifically ||anathema, given her already library of postraid dialogue||

[dim sky]

yeah i figured that might be the case but ||considering how topical it is i was thinking they might have added some sort of interaction||

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think it do anything right now

[dim sky]

alrighty

[snow kiln]

we're probably gonna have to wait till dern

[dim sky]

that makes sense

[peak ginkgo]

sacrifice it at the void altar

[clever quartz]

Is it parasite egg or smth

[dim sky]

yeah

[clever quartz]

What's that

[peak ginkgo]

theres a weird altar thing in void

[clever quartz]

Oh is it that Wind Fortress thingy

Like in Follow the Wind and Morrowind Lore

[outer heron]

anyone found out what this says yet?

[snow kiln]

people are still translating, refer to the thread

[outer heron]

oh

thanks

[clever quartz]

it'd be cool if they had another void under SE

or did greg like somehow destroy matter such that no pieces of the terrain are floating under unlike in ahms

[clever quartz]

Huge fumble btw

Also why are Frumans so tall

[neat oriole]

it’s just the sovs

[snow kiln]

I dunno man, dern beasts kink dungeon seems more appealing than whatever mothra had

[clever quartz]

Did the queen make them tall or smth

We need more tall people outside of fruma

[snow kiln]

no humans just superior race

damning villagers stand no chance

[primal anchor]

||so why cant we tell syndra that elise is dead||

[clever quartz]

All their growth hormones went into their head and nose

[snow kiln]

we kinda have bigger things to worry on

[primal anchor]

being separated from elise is kind of her entire bit

[clever quartz]

We need tall humans outside fruma

Bak'al should be tall

[primal anchor]

baktall

[clever quartz]

Bat'all

Uh

Bob could be made tall

[pallid glen]

what do you get for collecting all the diary notes?

I can't find themmm

and I wanna skip but don't wanna miss something important

[primal anchor]

lore

to actually progress that stage just find the handle somewhere in the kitchen

[pallid glen]

thanks

[burnt robin]

wrong screenshot

[hybrid gazelle]

Some corrupted are shown to be tall too

So unless we get Wynn remake, we could see taller Wynnic

[burnt robin]

player is 6'2

that means these guys are taller than shaq 😭

[subtle obsidian]

||who is elise? ik shes syndras lover but like have we met her?||

[snow kiln]

the missing piece quest

[subtle obsidian]

ah havent done that yet ty

[vapid path]

I hope you like bread

[acoustic kindle]

because its a side quest. So there will be some that || did the quest after syndra's dead||

like me

[hasty beacon]

Is there an epilogue to fruma after the raid? Or will we have to wait until the wastelands for that

[acoustic kindle]

unless they change it into a requirement for that main quest next update

[acoustic kindle]

no prologue, wasteland i think

i mean epilogue

[hasty beacon]

Ah sad

[acoustic kindle]

also now that the queen's dead theres gotta be a replacement no?

[hasty beacon]

Me ill do it

[acoustic kindle]

I vote Sui for president of the new fruman republic

[hasty beacon]

Yea that works too

[signal bough]

Zhiroak's prob the most popular person remaining in Fruma

but it'd prob be Quill or Azael

[acoustic kindle]

boo

boooo

[signal bough]

oh come on! one of those is a changeling!

[acoustic kindle]

if not Sui, then it will be ME

[burnt robin]

anytone know what this is for?

[signal bough]

the player only craves bloodshed!

[drifting aurora]

likely will add this as an option later

[raw badge]

||Could be for an ultimate discovery? Its NYI (Not Yet Implemented)||

||Whether it's for all of Fruma's discoveries or just Highlands', idk||

[snow kiln]

Apparently there's a small tasim epilogue in Auburn.

I say apparently cause I saw it said here today but haven't been able to check myself.

[burnt robin]

aw man

i feel like ct should focus on adding all the things like wastelands and the remaining ultimate discoveries

and then FOCUS ON THE DAMN MIDGAME

[signal bough]

the ocean is starving...

Selchar got its quests taken away...

hope we get something about the founding of Selchar

[burnt robin]

dude wynncraft rn feels like an amateur's piano pieces

the beginning is banging

the ending is also banging

the middle feels like having a lobotomy sometimes

like no lie, its an amazing game

just that newer players might not see it that way

especially in the midgame

when all that polish from the beginning is missing

[clever quartz]

Does not using a focus mean ur stronger or smth

[snow kiln]

nah

but Sui has more inutition for magic

[clever quartz]

Oh

[snow kiln]

I.e. the strands she can see but we can't

[clever quartz]

Uh any other magic users we know without focus

[snow kiln]

like Theo froze the whole of the ice area

theorick

[clever quartz]

Like in and outside fruma

[clever quartz]

Didn't he have a staff

[snow kiln]

not within fruma I don't think

[clever quartz]

or whatever it is you find in nesaak bank

[snow kiln]

🤷 I dun remembr

[clever quartz]

Does Bak'al count

I mean magic probably given to him from Corruption

But he does fight unarmed

[signal bough]

Garoth doesn't use a focus

[snow kiln]

I'm not sure of the mechanisms behind blessings, though bak'al was still a mage and I don't think he needed a focus while he was still human

[clever quartz]

Wait do we even know anything about pre-corrupt bak'al

[snow kiln]

legit just from anathema

[tepid blade]

Lari doesn't use one in her boss fight in the "Finding the Light" quest, but it is probably because of powers granted by Orphion

[clever quartz]

Oh what she say

[snow kiln]

he's the one who made the weaver for her

and also thought her of the elements and the strands

so if he could see the strands

[clever quartz]

Oh ok

[snow kiln]

I'm assuming he didn't need a focus

but we still don't know if there's a correlation between seeing strands and needing a focus

[clever quartz]

On wiki it says he was a soldier

Ig it was for the qween

[slender copper]

(Technically not a lore spoiler but rather be safe then sorry) ||I can't tell if these visions of the past (previously sections at the end of Fruma quests) the Player is getting more often in Fruma are just to allow the (player) to understand what's going on deeper or the Player is becoming more of a time seer lol.||

[slim belfry]

my personal thought is that this ties into the one theory I said here about the player

you can't see it yet though

[clever quartz]

He's kinda a mystery

Like why he went into portal

[snow kiln]

Mhhm who knows what he was expecting, even though so many others went in and come out sycophantic

i.e CoW

[clever quartz]

What even is CoW holding

it's a black cube

[normal galleon]

Real wynners know that the corruption portal leads to a massive pvp arena where you fight other players

[feral lynx]

literally realm of war

[normal galleon]

Maybe thats why bakal went crazy brother ragequit

[snow kiln]

nah he got the winner winner chicken dinner 😭

[hasty beacon]

Imagine there was factions where you could fight for the light or the dark

[snow kiln]

well you wouldn't want to fight for either cause they're both ass

[hasty beacon]

Nah i wanna fight for the dark it looks cool

[normal galleon]

I fight for half moon isle

🌙

[clever quartz]

Guys I have a theory

Orphion is racist

[gleaming apex]

???

[clever quartz]

1. In ROL 2 he demonstrates his pro-slavery stance

2. His opp is ||Saphanis who is the embodiment of darkness||

[clever quartz]

I'm still laughing at his eye 🤣

Why so big

Did the corruption remove his eyelids or something

But that doesn't explain why his eye is horizontally wider too

[digital swan]

wat

[slim belfry]

??????

what does that have to do with anything

[signal bough]

just pregnant man react and move on

[pallid glen]

so

the queen says she wants to attack darkness

to even the odds against light

so one won't beat the other

I think?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes'

[pallid glen]

and then she says that's why she did the tournament

okay but if that's the case

why did she pick tasim

over the person that killed the parasite

there is literally nobody more qualified

[hybrid gazelle]

Two and Her Majesty literally spell it out for you in Queen's Recruit and Ensemble of Hope

||they need someone who is LOYAL and player is too unpredictable||

||Tasim fit the citeria more||

||If they send someone like the player in, the possibility of Bak'al situation could happen||

[pallid glen]

oh my god

she tried to pull the point of no return trick

im so DONE with soul swapping parkour

NEVER AGAIN

I hate two for even attempting that

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[pallid glen]

grrrr

player too railroaded to be predictable

[pallid glen]

she says that your soul reflection is missing

and that the lack of a soul reflection doesn't bother you at all

when she's giving you her test

which is probably a point of no return reference

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure i guess

[pallid glen]

your reflection is safe in lutho

[pallid glen]

or he could just die

[hybrid gazelle]

||tasim dying in Dern is far better outcome than he switch to Dern like Bak'al||

||Which thy believe coudl happen if player was choosen||

[primal anchor]

also they deadass didnt know

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that too

[primal anchor]

two cant see inside the realm of light

[hybrid gazelle]

||It was until overture, they findout what happen during player journey||

[primal anchor]

they kinda shouldve known about SE sooner though imo. that took them a while

unless the meeting with tasim is canonically immediately after journey further

the implication must be that because IF the player had told anyone else tasim wouldve heard

[snow kiln]

bum ass spymaster couldn't tell that the decay stopped :|

[paper wyvern]

As fast as the spymaster knew lari did something and it took her out of comission

[snow kiln]

she deserves to only be called spy, the master aint' deserved

[paper wyvern]

Yeah honestly how do you miss the eye dying for what was likely a few weeks

[snow kiln]

unless player is like V1 ultrakill and did all of the quests in a day.

[paper wyvern]

I mean it does make some sense given the SE expedition was unsactioned and done behind the back of the admiral, so until she actually went to the expanse there was no reason to notice anything changes

[snow kiln]

well since 2 can effectively teleport, nothing stopping her from being everywhere at once

[silk ravine]

The Twains

[raven bronze]

Chat

Any stuff on the olm in fruma

[cyan sapphire]

so question - are there now two unopenable gates in the game that havent been implemented with opening solutions

[raven bronze]

Canonically around a year I think

[gusty wyvern]

ask that guy who has olm enthusiast in his name

he probably knows

[raven bronze]

Idk if he has delved into the fruma sds and whatnot

Base quests have nothing about it though

[signal bough]

I think just the Ragni Rosetta?

[raven bronze]

So it would have to be there

[signal bough]

not aware of the other rosetta tho

[raven bronze]

There are

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621

[signal bough]

idk what it says 😭

[raven bronze]

All the servers linguists have gathered to decode the language

[signal bough]

okay Rosetta 2 has mention of Olm

[raven bronze]

Cause for some reason it’s actually its own language instead of basically 1 to 1 code like wynnic and gavellian

[signal bough]

tfw some weird freaks come in from across the ocean and they speak the same language as you

[hybrid gazelle]

not much

rn we just has like

ONLY GUESS

not outright comfirmation

[raven bronze]

Stuff about olm being in fruma pre queen etc?

[hybrid gazelle]

rn we GUESS olms have mention in Fruma

but we acnt really comfirm taht

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[raven bronze]

Interesting

[silk ravine]

||Is there any weight behind the theory of Two being an Olm?||

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

[raven bronze]

I was actually curious about this

[signal bough]

well we know what someone of her culture looks like

[hybrid gazelle]

||Two being an olm would give her motive and way to know about light and dark and why she want to stop it||

but other than that ehhh

nah

well I mean

she bald but like

if you want to use that as concrete proof then sure

[silk ravine]

Who?

[raven bronze]

||However two either has a red pupil or iris in specific portraits which could mean something||

[signal bough]

there's a mythic shrine and you see someone in a similar outfit yapping

[hybrid gazelle]

Tefris

[hasty beacon]

Wait shes bald???

[hybrid gazelle]

Tefris does look like Two but green

look at her banner art

I mean she look bald

[signal bough]

this person looks weird but not olmic

[hybrid gazelle]

unless she jsut really good at keeping her hair

Unless they done some olm redesign

[signal bough]

more pale than grey

[hybrid gazelle]

To be fair Garoth also lean more into darker grey skin I think

so like Olms probably have different skin color like we do

[raven bronze]

Lighter skin than bob for example

[hybrid gazelle]

well Bob is different cause you. know

he is not

100% olm

[raven bronze]

Half and half yeah

Or something

[signal bough]

doesn't even look like old bald bob

prob just old

[hybrid gazelle]

What if

This is a new race call

The numbers

[signal bough]

no

we already got a new race

and you want ANOTHER?

[eternal helm]

Is the Melody Of Reckoning song playing in the boss altar on purpose..... ._.

[drifting aurora]

yea cause we dont have a unique song for it yet

[digital swan]

dw the player's an asshole at some point we're gonna commit ethnic cleansing
like the player has torched like 10 villages in something like 2 months at this point

[signal bough]

the past two months were prob sky islands, SE, and then fruma

[digital swan]

nah dark forest and beyond

[zinc quarry]

ok i just finished true colours and why is sui so strong?

[digital swan]

and we all know that the only right option in Hollow Serenity is the one where we get that one village torched

[zinc quarry]

like the player is not able to kill gikyo but sui does so basically instantly

[digital swan]

habmurger

wait lemme get the gif

[zinc quarry]

ok but like actually why is she so strong

is there a lore explanation/will there be a lore explanation in later quests or is she just an anomaly and we're suppoesd to accept that

[signal bough]

you spend like, a week in the mistwoods cave camp

[signal bough]

She's like the twains

[zinc quarry]

ah ok

[signal bough]

exceptional but not unique

[digital swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076545160583839884/1478539541735407760/Sui_Nom.gif?ex=69dd80c0&is=69dc2f40&hm=c6960bf1b3aa68f3e484efa442a3d6003cf4392ba3ca06ca8d0ba3711fe9a63f&

[hybrid gazelle]

||gikyo already weaken with player fighting and they did not expect Sui to retaliate||

[digital swan]

(contains steroids)

[hybrid gazelle]

||look at the situation first||

[signal bough]

I think Fruma takes about a month

although maybe Zhiroak says for how long you've been being a nuisance

[digital swan]

SE is like, one day at max
like we take a quick hike across a pretty damn tiny area

[bold stag]

doesnt aledar heal up between quests

[signal bough]

Journey Beyond: day 1
Point of No Return, Aledar heals up in Lutho: Day 2
Journey Further: Day 3
Hunter's Calling, caves, WEs, Eldritch Outlook: days 4-7

[lethal hill]

will be one in later quest

[silk ravine]

Gikyo’s already half dead from fighting the player.

[zinc quarry]

huh

didnt gikyo say during the fight that it(?) was immortal

was gikyo just lying then

[silk ravine]

Also on that topic, ||Is Gikyo just a human blessed with shapeshifting powers by the Queen, or a changeling?||

[silk ravine]

Probably, it’s pretty established that Gikyo is insane.

[zinc quarry]

i see

i mean given the way that gikyo was talking i think a changeling but i could be wrong

[sand jasper]

I believe in the ||first wicker’s spark|| secret discovery it’s revealed that Gikyo is a changeling

[young sequoia]

||changeling, the canopy mentioned and a mistwood secret discovery too, his blessing is mimic power of the ones they mimic||

the blessing is said by a CT iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

Their

[sand jasper]

What does CT stand for im dumb

[signal bough]

Gikyo is powerful and biologically immortal

[silk ravine]

||So is the Gikyo seen in the secret discovery the same Gikyo we fight, or is the one we fight a changeling that copied the original Gikyo's form?||

[hybrid gazelle]

Content team

[signal bough]

||same Gikyo||

but it also seems like Changelings are immortal in general

[sand jasper]

A icic

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like that just a taunt thst anyhigh ego individual have

[sand jasper]

I’m pretty sure tho Gikyo is insane even for the standards of the sovereigns so yeah

[silk ravine]

Interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think Gikyo is insane

[sand jasper]

Like even Majin is like “yeah bro is insane”

[hybrid gazelle]

Just sadistic

[sand jasper]

Fair enough ig

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Majin just say Gikyo has murderous tendency

And can be unhinge

[signal bough]

I think we can draw a direct link between how often a changeling changes and their mental stability

Azael- prob hasn't changed in a hundred years, very stable

[silk ravine]

Also ||Do the canopy know Azael is also a changeling, and what's his & rurie's hatred for Majin about?||

[hybrid gazelle]

|| we don’t know||

[sand jasper]

Bro’s in it for the love of the game

[hybrid gazelle]

||as for Rurie mention, Gikyo imply Rurie is a runaway from highland and with his knowledge for Majin

We can guess his backstory||

[signal bough]

||Rurie apparently has a personal rivalry with Majin, but I doubt more than the Canopy higher-ups know Azael is a Changeling||

Croaquin is implied to be a changeling and he's also very stable

[sand jasper]

Counter point why would he ever need to change more if he’s already in the perfect form

Therefor sense of self intact stability intact

[signal bough]

ngl I don't think he can change

somehow became a big frog man

[sand jasper]

It’s like carcinization bro evolved to the perfect body plan

And that is big frog

[signal bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/837559122193940500/1462509391801483441/caption.gif

we know of an early imposter that Rurie has the player and Sui kidnap, Gikyo himself, 'Jiro' in his final appearances, and one changeling-in-training at Hegea

oh, and the Gavel changeling

some of those have like

'changeling' mannerisms and habits

[sand jasper]

wait wdym Jiro

[signal bough]

but Gikyo, who is also old, has not bucked all of his habits

[signal bough]

Syndra: 'DAMN IT'S ALMOST AS IF JIRO WAS REPLACED BY SOMEONE ELSE.'

[sand jasper]

wait which quest was that dialogue in im stupid i must have missed or forgot it

[signal bough]

in the steel feather base

I forgor

[silk ravine]

The final quest in the roughworks

[summer bluff]

Is there a different portrait for the final jiro scene?

[signal bough]

wouldn't know, Jiro only got them recently

[summer bluff]

Hrm

[silk ravine]

||Jiro was presumably killed by a changeling off screen, replaced, and snitched to the crown that Syndra was planning an assassination attempt on the Queen||

[sand jasper]

oh they mention hes out of character

is azael supposed to have a portrait btw

[signal bough]

yes

[sand jasper]

ah dang

his portraait never loaded for me

[summer bluff]

Azaels portrait is a lil scary ngl

Bro inherited the creepy

[sand jasper]

can send an image of it?

if there is one

[acoustic kindle]

ah so it was that mf

[acoustic kindle]

also ||azael is WHAT?||

[signal bough]

||it's fine. Don't worry.||

[runic ingot]

yo, does anyone have Soosu's journal/diary entries that can be found during The Price of Ingenuity? i can't seem to find it on the wiki

[zinc quarry]

are gavel changelings the same as fruma changelings?

also i just finished true colours and is sovereign selin implied to have died from creating artificial changelings?

[signal bough]

its very likely that changeling is a fruma changeling

[uneven basin]

I think there's a line about how it must have come from a shipment from the southwest

[slim belfry]

wtf

[pallid glen]

which quest is this?

[young sequoia]

last quest of roughwork ones I think

[pallid glen]

oh

aren’t changelings mentioned after that

I don’t remember seeing changelings then

I just figured tasim used his blessing of foresight

[young sequoia]

the quest doesnt directly mention changeling

we knew that someone is sus

and then Jiro is weird

[sand jasper]

Idk whether this is true, but I think ||changelings as a whole are artificial? Like they’re sorta liquid and formless at conception and not naturally occurring||

Also what actually is Tasim’s blessing of foresight

Like glowing eyes and butterfly wings are cool and all but what part of that is foresight

[hybrid gazelle]

Actually yeah ||what gojng on with Tasim’s blessing||

||Appearantly it would help him navigate Dern but sure how||

[acoustic kindle]

thats for ||when Dern is released||

[brittle prism]

Hmm

I think this is the Dern beast

[hybrid gazelle]

Truly Christian wynncraft still yet live

[zinc quarry]

i see

[slim belfry]

craftmas beast

realm of jolly

[brittle prism]

The Realm of Light, the Realm of Dern, the Realm of War, and the Realm of Craftsmas

Santa is the realm beast for the ROC

Nick is the Lari of Craftmas

Theorick Twain didn't actually have water elemental powers, he was "corrupted" first by the Craftmas

Craftmas spreads through the equivalent of corruption spikes

Craftsmas power thrives on the top of mountains

It's all coming together

Craftmas power was born out of the peace between Dark and Light

There is no war

[sand jasper]

7 more years of development!

[sand jasper]

Doesn’t that imply ||Sui also has craftmas corruption?||

[brittle prism]

Yep

[sand jasper]

John Lennon is real in Wynncraft

[brittle prism]

Think about it

Craftmas influences everything

Since it's on top of the mountains

We're not allowed to go over mountains. you know why?

The Craftsmas power is too strong

[sand jasper]

Ur onto smth here

[brittle prism]

We would be instantly turned into Santa's helper

and that would break the plot

[sand jasper]

The real question we need to ask tho is how will Craftmas’ widespread introduction into fruma affect the branding and marketing of Majin’s soda brand

[brittle prism]

Craftmas is just another name for the Realm of Peace

Soo

Oh the holiday?

Right

[brittle prism]

War was named by Orphion and Craftmas was named by the Dern Beast

Trust

War is a nice and simple name

Like light

While craftmas is a unique name

like dern

[sand jasper]

Holy evil Orphion theory????

[brittle prism]

Also Santa isn't old

[sand jasper]

Why would bro name war when he can name craftmas. Is he stupid?

[brittle prism]

Real

Santa and ||the Fruman Queen|| are siblings theory?

[whole nebula]

Why did they drop that bombshell of a quest on me in the middle of the storyline

Missing piece

😭

[runic ingot]

bump, is this documented anywhere?

[brittle prism]

Hear me out

Wait no

hm

What if the Ice Islands is the sort of roots of corruption for Craftmas power

I mean santa lives there

And the discovery lore of the ice islands is "Home to a nation of early seafarers, they have waged war among each other for years, oblivious to the real war on the mainland"...

What if the realm of war and peace are in eternal competition, like competing siblings?

[uneven basin]

The place we visit in meaningful holiday is actually the realm of craftmas

[brittle prism]

By realm of peace I mean realm of craftsmas

[uneven basin]

Yeah ofc but realm of craftmas sounds funnier

[sand jasper]

I hate that I can’t progress it cuz my missing piece is bugged

Of all the quests to be unable to progress

[brittle prism]

And the ice island's kingdoms are fighting because of a saboteur from the realm of war

[whole nebula]

the guards during the infiltration didnt spawn for me until I /killed multiple times

[brittle prism]

A parasite of sorts

[sand jasper]

Tho I guess it means I inadvertently saved it till I finished the main quest and WTP

[brittle prism]

after all. the undead WERE the ones who started the ice islands conflict

[sand jasper]

Im stuck in the room immediately after the pipe cuz nothing is spawning in there

[brittle prism]

ghost and DEMON pirates!!

[sand jasper]

The only thing I can interact with is the closed grate

And it just tells me to go back to the pipe

[whole nebula]

no yeah that's the exact part that I got stuck on

[sand jasper]

But I’m still thankfully mostly unspoiled on the quest which is good

[whole nebula]

I needed to /kill multiple times and go back through the pipe

[sand jasper]

wait how many times did u /kill

[whole nebula]

12 times

💀

[sand jasper]

Like just keep doing until it works

Dang

Ok yeah welp

I know what I’m doing tmr

[whole nebula]

honestly your plan is solid

I'd wait it out until the end

[sand jasper]

Oh I have completed WTP

[brittle prism]

I remember having to relog like 5 times until the brick actually worked

[whole nebula]

unless if you want to get it out of the way asap

[hybrid gazelle]

We gotta ducking kill the ocean

[whole nebula]

oh nvm

[brittle prism]

Guess where demons come from?

[sand jasper]

Ig tmr is /kill John Wynncraft simulator

[brittle prism]

Devils come from the realm of war!

Craftsmas and the realm of war are fighting a conflict, just as the Light and Dark are

the realm of peace AKA Craftsmas was created at the very beginning when everyone was happy lalala

Santa was the firstborn

ALSO

ICE

STOPS CORRUPTION

I WONDER WHY

ITS BECAUSE CRAFTSMAS IS THE REALM OF PEACE

AND SANTA IS THE BEAST OF CRAFTSMAS

Everyone forgot about Santa but I'm telling you

Realm of Craftsmas is the next update after Dern

[uneven basin]

They removed craftmas chaos because the updated craftmas lore doesn't allow for a corrupted santa

[brittle prism]

SANTA WHAT DO YOU MEAN

IS EVERY CHIMNEY IN WYNNCRAFT A PORTAL TO THE REALM OF CRAFTMAS???!

[brittle prism]

It's an oxymoron

Since corruption is of the realm of war

While Santa is the beast of Craftsmas AKA peace

Also he's a some sort of supernatural being who takes on a humanoid form... like ||HIS Sister THE FRUMAN QUEEN!!!||

[hybrid gazelle]

Devils are not demons

[brittle prism]

shush

[hybrid gazelle]

They seperate group of creatures

This comfirm by ct I think

At least the one that make the devils

[uneven basin]

Speaking of what even are demons

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know

[brittle prism]

doguns obviously

[hybrid gazelle]

Ct said they have plan

[brittle prism]

#thedwarveswereright

[hybrid gazelle]

Or at least some sort of idea what to do with them

But we don’t know what it is yet

All we know rn is that they are ancient

And idk

[uneven basin]

We'll see in 15 years ig lol

[brittle prism]

are ghosts undead

like

corrupted undead

[uneven basin]

No I think they're soul magic stuff

Like gale isn't corrupted

[brittle prism]

.

[feral lynx]

is gikyo first changeling then become a sovereign or is he replaced or was he human before

[brittle prism]

Hmm

[feral lynx]

im a bit confused after watched the sds

[brittle prism]

I guess the ice nations didn't go to war because of santa's war with the realm of war

sad

[slim belfry]

seeing demons and corruption mentioned reminded me of this lol

[brittle prism]

I think the realm of craftsmas's portal is near the ice islands

because

not just because of that very convincing map

or whatever i said before

I think it's because

Santa's there

wait I said that already

Anyways

Santa is a massive character in wynncraft lore and WILL be a major part of the post-dern story

Since he's a realm beast

And the only truly good one

Santa will be our greatest ally

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah Grookwart is

the quest ever

[hybrid gazelle]

||They are changeling first and soverign later||

[slim belfry]

it's good because that phrase is 10000% intentional foreshadowing (not really)

[hybrid gazelle]

funniest thing about grookwart is still the reference to JK Rowling's black mold with that dernic creature

IDK if it even intentional

I hope it is

[slim belfry]

that'd be really funny if saying that is

[hybrid gazelle]

grookwart with Fruma magic system would so awesome

like imagine they updated grookwart with that magic system in mind

[brittle prism]

what type of magic do you reckon santa actually uses?

does he ever elaborate in the craftsmas quest

[slim belfry]

can he even use magic

[jagged turret]

summoning maybe?

he could summon elves and reindeer

[brittle prism]

he seems to have portal creating powers

[slim belfry]

generic teleportation magic

[uneven basin]

Do we think his time magic is still canon

Is Santa secretly an olm

[slim belfry]

is riftwalker the santa archetype

[brittle prism]

Easiest explanation is that he's the realm beast of Craftsmas and was created immediately after light and dark...

He would rule over peace

Also isnt the only quest he appears in meaningful holiday now?

So he probably doesn't have time magic

[jagged turret]

would the bottomless well we have be the bottemless bag of presents?

[brittle prism]

hmm

I guess this is some sort of

water magic?

[slim belfry]

oh no is he a manaweaver

[brittle prism]

Orr

Craftsmas is its own thing

That embodies peace

And there's specifically Craftsmas magic

that gives you the powers of santa

Ice magic is peace magic because ice stops corruption and corruption is a product of war

Peace stops war

[uneven basin]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[brittle prism]

Also

Before there was war

There had to be something else

And what's the opposite of war?

Peace

[split night]

All road lead to Orphion kissing S

[brittle prism]

However after war broke out

Santa's power was diminished

No one could recognize him as a realm beast anymore

Truly a terrible fate

The realm of peace is just Santa's village now

[brittle prism]

S(anta)?

[split night]

||Saphanis||, Dern Beast

[brittle prism]

nuh uh

Santa

Wait no

nvm

cause like

[split night]

you were actually considering it?? xd
weird ship but hey man, power to you

[brittle prism]

wouldn't santa be the child of Orphion and Professor Eih the Dern Beast?

[split night]

I imagine it work like greek mythos

the relation ship part

[brittle prism]

hmm

So the Realm of Light has the Light forest and the Realm of Dern has the silent expanse?

Right?

And corruption has one hub of activity, the roots, but has spikes all around wynn

right?

Well

What if the mountains are "spikes" of craftsmas cause of their Snow

And the "roots" of Craftsmas

is in Craftsmas island?

[split night]

Green Gaster ahhh theory

xd

[uneven basin]

Not true cause gaster is actually green smh

[split night]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V9jDuxsc4pc
is this lore accurate to player's Character having 99 agility

[shy hemlock]

Is this name drop in a secret discovery?

[split night]

Nope, this name drop is after you beat the Wartorn Palace raid and interact with ||Anathema||

[shy hemlock]

Ah i see

she does talk about a lot then, i did two attempts but lost both.

[split night]

S have a pretty name i gotta say

[naive pawn]

Clarification on the fruma quest line because I was reading through the dialog a little quick, || The queen is supposed to be a being manifested as a reflection of the conflict between the light and dark twins correct? ||

[split night]

||Yeah she's Realm of War's Beast||

[neat oriole]

no, there's no agi failing

[mossy badge]

So i just did the raid for the 1st time and reading the dialogues, who is he? Bak'al?

[grizzled frost]

All fun and games until you touch a single pixel of a car

If you know you know

[mossy badge]

I can only think of Orphion and Bak'al, and well if it is Orphion then it just makes him look even better lol

Reading further dialogue now i think its Bak'al

[hybrid gazelle]

||yes||

[mossy badge]

What do i need for ||the door, other than runes?||

[gleaming apex]

Not implemented yet I think

[mossy badge]

Bruh

Any other post raid interactions?

[gleaming apex]

There's something near the leaves in the wind base

[mossy badge]

Where tf do u get the frumic translator? 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

||you do house divded and read Gale's diary and then go talk to Gale in Qira Hive||

[mossy badge]

Is there still nothing with the grave? They could have just removed it atp

[spring kernel]

Why would they remove the grave

[mossy badge]

There are still hoppers below it, *remove the mechanism

And potentinally whatever else there is

Ig it might still be added someday 🤷‍♂️

[little frigate]

Did Tasim ||pretended to be angry about Gikyo dying to drive player away||
Pretty sure that's right intepretation

[hybrid gazelle]

||what?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||in true color?||

[young sequoia]

no that is ||aledar death||

[mossy badge]

||I remember tasim expressing that he thinks gikyo sucks in 1 of the highlands quest lol||

||Or well just being disrespectful||

[full harness]

Tasim was in love with gikyu

[mossy badge]

Gikyomom

Gikyomama

[full harness]

||Tasim had to try and kill Rex to take something from Sui after she took the one person that meant the most to him (Gikyu)||

[vital dagger]

||tasim was mad at gikyo being killed bc he asks gikyo to transform into aledar and roleplay with him||

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[keen wyvern]

In the secret library of Aldwell, is one of the book not clickable for you guys as well ?

[mossy badge]

Ye

[keen wyvern]

oh ok thx🥲

[mossy badge]

Dw in the next library there will only be 50 books not clickable

SoonTM

[rich scarab]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621

oh nvm you already found it 💀

[keen wyvern]

😭 😭 why would they do that

[copper breach]

WHy did gikyo not shapeshift into the player is he stupid?

[mossy badge]

They wanted to release the update before adding everything

Money? 🤑 Idk

I mean 90% of players dont care lol

[keen wyvern]

ye ye i can imagine

it will come with the Wastelands update probably

[hybrid gazelle]

they did not deem it worth to delay

because these are pretty much just addition lore details that not worth delaying the update for so they just go ahead release it and will be add later once the writers finish it

because it more like if you are people who just want to play wynncraft for raid or whatever that not a story

do you think you would be happy to hear that the update rn is only delay cause of some writing thta you do not give a shit about

[mossy badge]

Is [number] [rune], [ordinal] cycle a date?

[hybrid gazelle]

likely

[warm flicker]

yes, probably the date system used by old fruma. Though we have no idea how it aligns with the timelines we know of

[mossy badge]

Also wtf are "shrines" i keep seeing mentions of them?

[brave rune]

There are two shrines (locations) with bilingual inscriptions

[mossy badge]

No, i mean smth else, what u thinking about are referred to as "rosetta stones"

[brave rune]

Yes the shrines contain the bilingual inscriptions, which serve as Rosetta stones

Ok well with that edit

Idk

[hybrid gazelle]

it's a stone that overlook Ragni access thrugh Highland