📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea of maybe tutorial get remake for 400th times

Therr will be openning where we will get to choose our character backstory

But in the end, it jsut go

“The memories thst you have chosen

Will not be forgotten”

[untold warren]

is it safe to say the Lari defo died in the fight against Bak'al?

[hybrid gazelle]

And force you into recruit

Also no

Unless you are idiot, you never assume character getting offscreen to be death

[untold warren]

Ik

But i was just curious

[frozen turtle]

I hope Lari died

[untold warren]

also since in the wiki they said that the realm of darkness and light was before time

Was broski just like the middle child that they made?

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/War_of_the_Realms

[split night]

Have you uh, finished Fruma yet
there is a quest that perfectly explain everything about the realms

[untold warren]

Nope

I got side tracked

[split night]

or wynnex, the last quest of wynnex also explain the realms

[untold warren]

also correct me if I'm wrong, AP is After Portal, BP is Before Portal?

[split night]

yes

[untold warren]

Aight kk

[untold warren]

I only do quest to find more ways to slander Lari

[split night]

You should probably just, best play the whole game and do all quest, secret discoveries,
It give you at least some background of what's going on in Wynncraft before we discuss anything here xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I genuinely forgot about that part of Wynnex

[frozen turtle]

the quest which has the explanation in fruma does reference Lari briefly

[hybrid gazelle]

Actually

[split night]

xD

[hybrid gazelle]

I forgot about Wynnex as a whole

[frozen turtle]

wait it does

oh it does

im reading the wiki

[untold warren]

Exvac?

[split night]

I'm glad I only came back to wynn a month ago and started playing the game and do everything chronologically like a maniac

the one with crystal drug and shit

[frozen turtle]

the wynncraft excavation site quests

A B C D

[untold warren]

Oh

Yeah i did that

[frozen turtle]

tbf its a very brief and easy to miss

[untold warren]

I was mostly focused on the politics

[frozen turtle]

it also like tells you in intervals so you get 1 line explaining it

then complete a puzzle

just do Fruma lowkey

[untold warren]

I'll do Fruma was I get to lvl 103

And finish all the quest

[split night]

I mean you should at least be attentive to the lore to discuss about it xd
I'm planning to like, play the entire game of Wynncraft every years to remind myself of the Lore on new saves just in case I forgot any specific

[frozen turtle]

plus a few of the lore stuff is just gonna be revealed in the later quests

but yeah

[regal walrus]

Can someone explain to me the stuff about the cursed

So we need a weapon like most people

Who in Wynn is “cursed” aka doesn’t need a weapon

[split night]

we don't need weapon to cast stuff, the weapon is here to cast and focus our magic easier
"Cursed" is a propaganda the queen made up to capture any magic user in the province and send them away. She want to suppressed the people and ban them from using magic

In reality, anyone can cast stuff without the need of a weapon, it's just easier to cast and focus using a weapon

There are certain type of people who can do this without a weapon more efficently too

[warm flicker]

"cursed" isnt the best descriptor for this. All humans can use magic with the right equipment. However, some can use magic naturally and without equipment like Sui or Theorick. Two called Sui a ||"manaweaver"|| which i think is a better description for this

[split night]

Yeah I agree on that one

[shut hornet]

if you want a good word to describe it, i think "gifted" is used to describe the twains

[dry aspen]

the Twains are the literal definition of "built different". I would not be surprised if it is reavealed that Sui is a twain descendent herself

[split night]

Yeah I'd say so
a lof of the Twain's magic seem to be very rare, like one of them can see and at least somewhat interact with Soul or Soul Magic

[versed glade]

Where is Sohso the third brother of Yahya we were told that he travelled to fruma

[uneven basin]

??? Update that || includes Majin working with sohso || when

[frozen turtle]

Sohso = Soosu??

[split night]

no

sound alike name

Soosu have no relation to Yahya

and is a girl

xd

[dry aspen]

That'd be awesome

[winter leaf]

did anyone else get this talking mushroom dialogue already? ^^
you have to right click this green mushroom in auburn forest a bunch with the ahmsord talking mushroom ("recipe for disaster" quest) in your inventory, I found the green mushroom in a leaf pile so i'm assuming it can spawn from them, but could also just be there at those coordinates?

[uneven basin]

She also isn't a villager I think that was a joke xD

[frozen turtle]

it was but i mean technically if you think about it

[split night]

Yeah im a little slow, sorry

[frozen turtle]

||isnt it canon Soosu can mold even living matter... therefore she could've been a male villager and then used her powers||

[regal walrus]

Ah ok thanks

[split night]

Thg

That's ||Gikyo||

[dry aspen]

sohso was not an inventor, ||he studied meteor magic with his brothers and escaped to fruma to avoid the meteors' mentally draining effects||

[split night]

||Gikyo can mold itself, Sooso can't she just mold matter||

[regal walrus]

Also do we ever know who pays the frog to scare people?

[versed glade]

||In secret discovereis she writes that she was bron in roughworks and became a sovereing at young age also im preety sure shes a lot older than yayha||

[versed glade]

||Funny mask so hes probably talking about two||

[frozen turtle]

||well yes but in The price of ingenuity, you can read her diary and she tries to remove her mark but molding her own flesh||

[split night]

why are we even trying to connecting ||Soosu|| to Yahya

at this point just connect like Orphion to king Ragni while you're here

xd

[uneven basin]

On a more serious note are there any sohso crumbs in fruma ?

[versed glade]

I havent found any

But did someone chech all secret discoveries?

[azure tangle]

In an optional room in True Colors

there’s a book talking about the Wastelands

[summer bluff]

There's optional dialog that you can find in ||fort hegea, once you collect the key for the cabinet||

[uneven basin]

|| Yes !!! I read that book so it was hinting at sohso !!! ||

[regal walrus]

Oh ur right

Also anyone know what family the women and grandma are talking about

With little Saki

And like ayano

Is it the scarred springs family?

[summer bluff]

Noooo it's just a random family

Cps incident

[regal walrus]

Oh ok

Do we hear about them again

[cobalt remnant]

where is the architect shrine located?

[summer bluff]

Nah

[uneven basin]

Is ohm still canon ?

[split night]

yeah i think so?
they are kinda a big deal in SE

[primal anchor]

arent they called olm

[uneven basin]

No gale's boyfriend / husband / significant other Ohm who has a bunch of items named after him

[restive yacht]

guys

is it implied that bak'al is helping us defeating anathema?

i associate corruption directly to bak'al as a scion

damn who got autobanned

[civic wren]

Nah bakaal was anathemas scion who went off the rails

[restive yacht]

then who's helping us getting there

[civic wren]

Getting where

Dern?

[restive yacht]

no

into the bossfight

we get kicked out of the door, and yet manage to find a way to go there, conveniently enough there's those weird blisters

with netherrack

[civic wren]

No idea, thought that was just a cool addition to the raid

[restive yacht]

orphion didn't kick us out

either he couldn't, or didn't want to kick us out no?

[civic wren]

I mean the entire thing was covered in anathemas weave so itd probably be her

Some part of her at least if were speculating CT meant it to be something

[restive yacht]

i still struggle to understand why when we try to get into the castle we get blocked, chains to stop us getting in, and then suddenly those blisters on the side

why would she want us to climb that way

[civic wren]

I feel like thats a CT question since nothing really points to it. I assume it was a byproduct of her weave and we took advantage of it

[restive yacht]

her... weave?

[silk venture]

hey so I did what I think is the final quest for fruma storyline and I did the raid. Is there another quest at 120 I dont see it in the content book. I did the raid, but where is everyone? We didnt get to see Rex after the ordeal. Is there some next step to be release later that has to do with the locked train stop?

[restive yacht]

what's that, i've not yet learned about it

[restive yacht]

fruma 2 yes

[silk venture]

but no regroup right now?

[restive yacht]

there will be other quests, + there's a big ahh TO BE CONTINUED thing

[restive yacht]

we're supposed to regroup after raid

[civic wren]

Weave is like the space where their energies are, like we access the weave and pull the strings for magic if i remember

[silk venture]

I didnt see anything but im still 119

the rift is closed and stuff

[restive yacht]

it stops there yea

[silk venture]

also I thought they were going in with us, where were they during the raid?

[restive yacht]

we will get more with fruma 2

[silk venture]

7 years to be continued noooo

they cant do this. Best questline so far no ending

[restive yacht]

that is a big side note, yea idk i think raid team | quest team were kinda off on this one? i think they talked about it

[silk venture]

ah okay

[restive yacht]

oh the bottomless well

thing

[silk venture]

bc I was thinkin maybe they show up at the final hour but no

[restive yacht]

idk tho i still feel that's kinda convenient?

[silk venture]

I mean there was a lot of those

[restive yacht]

ye during bossfight or sum

maybe they get backed off and take another direction at some point

[silk venture]

or even after the fight like maybe sui finishes her off a Tasim sui confrontation

like??

[restive yacht]

it's gonna be polished at some point

it will make sense

[silk venture]

Tasim still doesnt know his buddy was planning on killing us first and only after nearly dying on the way did he sac himself

like that has to change something

[restive yacht]

ig it doesn't matter

[haughty oasis]

Man

Im bad at spoilers

sec

[restive yacht]

|| this is a spoiler ||

[haughty oasis]

||Test||

Ok cool thank you

[restive yacht]

tbh it kinda doesn't matter

for most of us*

been a week now

[silk venture]

I feel like if youre in the lore discussion channel you should finish your shit first

[restive yacht]

yup

i mean, beta players were advantaged

[silk venture]

like I didnt dare look in here till I completed the questline

[haughty oasis]

oh haha

[silk venture]

I have hero I just didnt want to play it in the beta state

[restive yacht]

i'mma be real i enjoyed beta more than main

[haughty oasis]

I didn’t know hero rank had access to the beta LOL

[silk venture]

prob bc main wasnt your first time

[restive yacht]

but that's me, it's probably the testing part of it that makes it cool for me, idk

[silk venture]

ah

[restive yacht]

nah

[silk venture]

nah I didnt want to have it spoiled by a bug or something

[haughty oasis]

I haven’t been heavily spoiled yet

[silk venture]

ik a lot of people got stuck in places after launch but I did not have any issues outside of nasin first fight taking forever bc laggy server made him do that dash cant be hit thing forever

actually took 10 minutes to do that fight mostly just sitting doing nothing

[restive yacht]

oh boy, beta was flawless if u compared it to first day fruma launch

[silk venture]

idk I didnt have problems day one

no inv wipes

[haughty oasis]

Me neither, so far

I heard some people are missing their weapons or their housing got wiped lmao

[restive yacht]

i can't believe u've done all quests without any tps related issue

unless u did all of that in 2 hours from the start

[silk venture]

I heard the tops of peoples invs got wiped so rings, bracers, necks

[restive yacht]

yeee it was a mess

[silk venture]

ive done it over the whole week. I just finished today

[restive yacht]

damn you really dodged bullets

[silk venture]

yeah im super lucky actually

[haughty oasis]

Oh I did not finish, I’m still in the middle of the Steel Feather portion 😭

maybe I should not be here yet lol

[restive yacht]

u know if u disconnected at some point i many quest points u would've been stuck for a week

[silk venture]

never disconnected during quests, worst thing I had to do was sometimes /class

[restive yacht]

u should to The Missing Piece first

[silk venture]

I even did all the side quests btw

[restive yacht]

lowkey better context and spoiler

[silk venture]

no problems with the pipe quest

[haughty oasis]

I think the most “buggy” I’ve ever came across is that annoying quest with the rafts

[silk venture]

had 0 issues with that one either

[haughty oasis]

the transition to black flashed a lot with what i was supposed to see

it was more of a visual bug than anything

it was annoying

[silk venture]

missing pieces I had minor trouble with lag in the evening and couldnt do the box throwing at the start

came back tomorrow morning with less people on and not an issue

[haughty oasis]

Oh i finished that quest recently

Like by recently I mean yesterday LOL

[fair fractal]

||does anyone know why almost every line said by zhiroak involves math in some shape or form?? like "squaring the circle", calling someone an integrand, etc. or is that just their Thing||

[silk venture]

considering hes the time guy I assume it has something to do with that

[warm flicker]

hes a nerd

[silk venture]

true

[fair fractal]

fair

i am too which is why im seeing it :D

[silk venture]

yeah I didnt notice that

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-nerd-gif-9743791

[zealous quiver]

does anything happen after you complete the new raid the first time

[restive yacht]

afaik no

not onmain

[zealous quiver]

the rift just remains there?

[restive yacht]

no it disappears

u close the rift after u beat the raid

[hybrid gazelle]

you also get bit of epliogue but full epliogue is not here rn

[restive yacht]

where the epilogue

[hybrid gazelle]

at the leaf base

[restive yacht]

OH I MISSED THIS

[hybrid gazelle]

NGL I would not een wonder like

the alt route taking long time to release

because they rather working on epliogue

this is just my guess btw

[restive yacht]

NGL they should talk to us about it: if they take too long we might get hyped too much for it

last time there was a discussion about the direction of the alternate dialogue path, plans were to make it merge on Overture to Despair with some dialogue change on Apotheosis

aaand personally i don't like it. They also said they put too much enphasis on it

LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt already mention that adding the alt route in the beta was a mistake

since it intitally meant to be ery deep secrect that you go out of your way to find it

it not meant to be alternate option thing that you normally choose

because the current route we have rn is the INTENDED way

[limber swan]

so we might have to wait a whole year for the alt route?

[hybrid gazelle]

so the alt route that people been wanting is more like an easter egg rather than second route that game usually has

[limber swan]

nobody wants another clockwork mystery

[restive yacht]

BTW was it solved

wwwwww

[uneven basin]

The clockwork mystery ??? What ??

[restive yacht]

it's not?

[uneven basin]

Last I heard it was not even implemented yet

It's been deleted with gavel reborn while they rewamp it

[restive yacht]

WHAT

THEY BASHED IT?

[uneven basin]

Yeah ? It's been years xD

[restive yacht]

W H A T

[uneven basin]

You can still get the clocks but going to the clock tower will yield nothing (that I know of)

[limber swan]

they never finished it lol

[uneven basin]

But they're going to finish it someday right?

[versed glade]

Why does our character go around commiting genocides in fruma we're worse than the queen

[hybrid gazelle]

what genocide

like what

soldiers that we kill are all act of self defense

[drifting aurora]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

the only questionable one are ||the roughwork workers|| and een then they jump first

[drifting aurora]

the mistake was having it from the start on beta when it wasnt finished

[digital swan]

prob more right

[hybrid gazelle]

what the act of genocide did we commit??

[drifting aurora]

because that gave everyone a bunch of expectations

itll be there soon, ive just been busy this last week

[hybrid gazelle]

Also

HOW THE FUCK

ARE WE WORSE THAN LITERAL FASCIST DICTATOR

WHO BTW

||COMMIT MUTIPLE DISTRICT CLEANSING WITH FLOOD||

||TURNING A DISTRICT INTO TRAINNING GROUND FOR SPIES||

[limber swan]

ah I see

my bad

[digital swan]

this guy talking about genocide with that pfp btw
wild stuff

[limber swan]

I got confused by Trashie's wording

[hybrid gazelle]

||FORCING CITIZENS INTO HEAVY LABOR THAT ONLY HAS ONE DAY BREAK A YEAR||

[restive yacht]

yea there's already a non irrelevant group of people waiting on the alt route expecting it to have real effects on the narrative

[hybrid gazelle]

||ALSO GATEKEEP HER ENTIRE EMPIRE FOR HERSELF JUST BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT WANT OUTSIDE INFLUENCE||

[digital swan]

the wasteland is just a concentration camp btw

[restive yacht]

@hybrid gazelle wdym by leaf base?

i went everywhere there's nothing

[hybrid gazelle]

IN espren

[restive yacht]

which one

[hybrid gazelle]

You have to check the ||grave||

[restive yacht]

oh what

ok stop there pls

[hybrid gazelle]

you are fucking high if you think action that player do in Fruma storyline is worse than the queen

[versed glade]

We're literally intrunders who when captured slaughtered an enitre fort

[restive yacht]

we killed random soldiers for no specified reason just to see a friend

[hybrid gazelle]

that all self defense

that literally all self dense

[jagged turret]

How does ||anathema|| use sawblades and a literal nuke?
How did she even create them.

[silk venture]

there was an alternative route on the beta?

[restive yacht]

fort torann incident

[limber swan]

It was literally self defense

[young sequoia]

cant believe bio system in fruma is better than outside

[versed glade]

How is that self defence

[digital swan]

we LIBERATED an entire fort
there's a difference
if it was invading that would be like the september campaign where we started this

[restive yacht]

CLEARLY SELF DEFENCE

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so massarce the fort

yeah that bad

BUT HOW IS THIS WORSE THAN

||AUBURN FLOOD||

tell me please

[restive yacht]

god i need to remember to be myself without being political

[hybrid gazelle]

how is this worse than that

[silk venture]

ill be so fr when I say that if you put me in charge im not some angelical leader

hard choices have to be made

[hybrid gazelle]

okay you name one bad thing that player did

[restive yacht]

uuuuh 1 didn't happen

[jagged turret]

i mean ||anathema did create the province and rule it|| so she can decide who enters and who doesn't

[digital swan]

we then proceeded to liberate the entire province

[hybrid gazelle]

like compare it what the queen done

[silk venture]

https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez-da-joke-gif-19867663

[versed glade]

OK the ||flood|| thing is bad i completely agree

[digital swan]

we are LIBERATORS from the queen's tyranny

[restive yacht]

if u say that the intentions were worse, yea

afaik queen killed less people than us for way better reasons

[hybrid gazelle]

that did not execute her crime

||EVEN THEN FRUMA WAS NOT EVEN HER, SHE PROBABLY DID OTHER CRIMES TOO TO TAKE IT OVER||

||CONSIDER FUCKING BAK'AL IS THE ONE WHO SEND HER THERE||

[silk venture]

but how do you know life will be better?

all we did was unchain a stronger threat if the end of the raid is to be believed

[restive yacht]

• Queen didn't normally publicly executing people from the start ? it was to control people to put them at bay, which is bad, but also not that bad if u consider there was 1 casualty

[limber swan]

they were trying to capture us dummy

[restive yacht]

uhm we also broke in

[digital swan]

well
hmm
the FUCKING AUTOCRATIC DICTATOR IS OUT?

[limber swan]

justified

[errant star]

honestly i think the queen lowkey right about us

[versed glade]

Capturing a guy whos tresspasing in military territory in most countries today you would be shot on site

[restive yacht]

tbf beyond that point we could have just got kicked out, we were not risking for our life there

[errant star]

the player is a shitty person through and through

[jagged turret]

we didn't the caravan guy let us into the province

[silk venture]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-nuke-trvth-nvke-big-boss-gif-15944112429945701902

[hybrid gazelle]

HOW ARE WE SHITTY PERSON WHEN WE JUST WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR FRIENDS AND HELP LIBERATE FRUMA FROM LITERAL DICTATOR

HELLO????

[silk venture]

we are extremely dangerous

[hybrid gazelle]

We literally stop race war

[errant star]

lets assault and steal because some old lady we met FIVE MINUTES AGO told us to 😍

[digital swan]

when there's a war going on of course you're gonna trespass on enemy territory

[silk venture]

and unpredictable at least the queen had things reletively stable

wth are we gonna do?

[hybrid gazelle]

we literally help orcs from getting run over by villagers

[errant star]

at least we didnt kill the ||bread factory workers||

[silk venture]

kill the monarch and fuck off thats what we're gonna do

[hybrid gazelle]

You all are fucking insane what

[restive yacht]

we could have not exterminated a whole battalion of guards and 1 general (?)

[hybrid gazelle]

that honest mistake
people die in struggle yeah sure that like one fucked up

[restive yacht]

yk, maybe we get caught, we get kicked, and we go back to wynn

[errant star]

there are better ways to go about that then massacring people 💔

[hybrid gazelle]

but that does not dictate we are a bad person

[errant star]

tasim is absolutely right we can just knock the guards out

we beat the eye dawg

[digital swan]

enemy combatants

[errant star]

no way we cannot beat foot soldiers

[hybrid gazelle]

If you say that we are the worst for that massarce then fucking fruma queen is devil spawn herself

[restive yacht]

Tasim even schools us about as if we were monsters to put at bay

[errant star]

well im not saying shes any better

im jus saying were pretty shitty too

[silk venture]

bro we just uprooted all of fruma for a dude that doesnt even like us. Bunch of people died and for what?

[restive yacht]

no no they die

[silk venture]

what did we really accomplish?

[errant star]

*without lethal force

[versed glade]

But we also slaughtered many to do so imagine being taken from ausburn forest as a kid trained and indoctrinated as a soldier just to be killed by a literal terrorist

[hybrid gazelle]

he literally was our friend

Yes people it's human thing to be concern about your friend

[silk venture]

was

[restive yacht]

no like fr we killed about 40 people Arnol-like

• 1 general

[hybrid gazelle]

the was here only happen at certain piint in the story

[errant star]

its also a human thing to not massacre people for your friend

[hybrid gazelle]

but at that moment when we coming to see him

he is our friend

[restive yacht]

we bringing out the death note on this 1

[errant star]

knockout note

💔

[hybrid gazelle]

it's in a struggle

[versed glade]

Like tasims reaciton is kinda justified

[silk venture]

not really he wasnt there

[hybrid gazelle]

what happen at the fort

[errant star]

dude the power gap is so significant theres almost no way the player cannot just knock them out without killing them

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that was bad

[errant star]

also the bread factory like

[restive yacht]

be real, maybe our player's SOUL wanted to see Tasim, we all wanted to get into Fruma for content

and we killed for that

[errant star]

we just break in and steal n shit because somebody told us to

literally just cause somebody wanted bread

[hybrid gazelle]

That is with good intention

WE DID try to get it legally

[errant star]

ok

[restive yacht]

Queen actually wanted stability

[hybrid gazelle]

but like ofc we cant

[jagged turret]

how did tasim make 0 friends other than us and aledar though?
he saved a bunch of people so he has to have some other friends.

[hybrid gazelle]

He does not even has a friend in Fruma

[errant star]

if i break into a bank and steal money to give to homeless orphans

that doesnt make it any less criminal

[hybrid gazelle]

do you think he gonna has a friend in Wynn

[restive yacht]

we didn't get no for an answer and just went rogue like

[hybrid gazelle]

crime done with good intention

[digital swan]

America was behind the Chenogne massacre btw guys 💔 was America the evil side all along and Nazi Germany good

[errant star]

is still a crime

[restive yacht]

that's why bak'al wants us to side with him now

[errant star]

and still just as wrong

[silk venture]

all im sayin is the queen wanted to stop greater evils from entering her kingdom and supress rampant magic use as it can be extremely dangerous has your time in wynn and gavel meant nothing?

[restive yacht]

DO NOT BRING POLITICS HERE, I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT TBH

[silk venture]

the frost wasteland???

[errant star]

i mean like sometimes its necessary or whatnot but like

no way we NEEDED that bread right

[versed glade]

Getting some bread doesnt justify knocking someone out with a bottle

[digital swan]

ain't politics, it's just WW2 history

[hybrid gazelle]

It was and I will fucking do it again

[errant star]

like just tell the lady "yeah theres no bread"

we legit just do whatever brah

[restive yacht]

i mean americans also started every middle-east war

[silk venture]

america is not wynncraft lore so it bores me next

[errant star]

we arent like evil or anything but

[restive yacht]

for necessity

and they still cope about it

[hybrid gazelle]

you would say no to a grandma?

[errant star]

we definetly are not of high moral caliber 💔

[split night]

What is your guys favorite Fruma town?
mine is Aspren

[hybrid gazelle]

surely this fucking world is filled with savages

[restive yacht]

xD

[errant star]

brother if a grandma told me to break into a bank i would in fact not break into a bank

[silk venture]

that is we

[restive yacht]

I STILL feel like queen was better than us

[silk venture]

we are the savages

[split night]

I would

[errant star]

great

[silk venture]

yeah all she did was bring stability to her kingdom

[restive yacht]

oh btw we ||also end up killing her when she tries to get us away ||

[digital swan]

the point is, like the queen's done some shit and we're at war
when you have an asshole country trying to stop a worse asshole country insane shit is guaranteed

[errant star]

at least we didnt slime out the factory workers

[versed glade]

She was better than most monarchs during the medival period

[jagged turret]

|| she killed most of the people in the steel feather base who weren't bothering any one||

[silk venture]

look at wynn you got spiders running rampant napping people. like Wynn and Gavel are a mess

[errant star]

also theres no canon ending to the olux iron golem things

frankly the fact that we would maybe let that slide for emeralds is kinda funny

[restive yacht]

|| what? where||

where is that mentioned

[errant star]

unrelated but the queen is such a tweaker

rex interrupted her for genuinely likely less than a minute and she wanted to nuke the whole province

[jagged turret]

|| she sent soldiers there after killing syndra||

[restive yacht]

yea that's about it, it doesn't mean they killed all of them for no reason

it was left unclear

[versed glade]

||People in steel feather were arrested not killed||

[restive yacht]

also to be polished

BTW zhiraok was at charge, do u really think they killed em all?

[silk venture]

shes a god with much greater ideal. Do you mourn the ants you poison when they enter your house in the spring?

[errant star]

who the fuck poisons ants?

[silk venture]

like imagine knowing two great evils are coming and some chud is trying to uproot everything bc they think they can kill them

[errant star]

you gotta be on some other shit unless youve got a whole infestation

[young sequoia]

||arrested and sent to deraj yea its not sth better than death anyway||

[jagged turret]

they might enter in different seasons according to location

[versed glade]

Im not saying queen is good but what we did to abolish her was really bad also we destabilized the entire province so who knows if a worse goverment will take place]

[jagged turret]

or might not enter at all

[restive yacht]

ye i mean we destabilized the balance between light and darkness for the sake of content consumption

if u wanna get into the metanarrative

[silk venture]

point stands

[formal bridge]

||She was going to flood and kill the entirety of the auburn forest just because a couple of the people there started a resistance movement||

[silk venture]

might as well be the size of a ant trying to unchain two great threats

[versed glade]

That one cant be justified

[silk venture]

it is if you look at the whole picture

there are two much stronger gods coming to take our world

[restive yacht]

she is also a byproduct of the reflection of WAR itself, her whole existence relies on destruction, she was snapping from her contained form

[formal bridge]

Not when she's done it before and it didn't work then either besides delaying things

[versed glade]

She did not have to do all that

[silk venture]

a couple thousand to save the whole world

[jagged turret]

oh so thats why she had a nuke

[gleaming apex]

Have you done the secret discoveries? She's literally killed every living thing in the Auburn forest area at least 2 times before

[formal bridge]

She's kind of stuck in the mindset of "my way is right and if you disagree, then you're a problem to be removed"

There is no negotiation. You either bend the knee or die

[silk venture]

https://tenor.com/view/dakidavekat-homestuck-davekat-trolley-problem-daki-gif-10448358050197452139

[formal bridge]

Or get thrown in deraj and die there

[restive yacht]

big oof

[formal bridge]

This isn't even remotely the case

It's more like "i could kill everyone, or try to actually resolve my messed up societal structure. Hm... I'll just kill everyone"

[silk venture]

a group of teenages undid her entire grasp on her people

like??

[jagged turret]

why doesn't she just send criminals to wynn instead of deraj?

[gleaming apex]

Like the flood idea is because she's done it before when she gets annoyed with rebels

[restive yacht]

she does, i think it's based on punishment

[young sequoia]

sent to deraj first then erase memory for wynn later

[restive yacht]

get sent to deraj is less of a punishment

[silk venture]

no time

[restive yacht]

oh ig that too

[formal bridge]

She's had a thousand years minimum

Shes done this before, repeatedly

[versed glade]

Or she just need workers at deraj

[silk venture]

I could solve this problem in 20 years with peace, or I could not risk the entire world killing a couple thousand maybe innocents

[formal bridge]

Again

She's been queen for centuries

Instead of asking why the auburn forest keeps producing rebels, she just kills them all repeatedly

[versed glade]

We would need to see how furma looked before she took over

[silk venture]

so her methods have worked for centuries?

[restive yacht]

u can look at the industrial district before soosu

[formal bridge]

I don't call genocide successful

[gleaming apex]

They haven't worked though?

[silk venture]

she has protected the whole world for centuries completely thankless

[gleaming apex]

No?

[formal bridge]

Take a look at wynn or the decay and say that again

She talks a big game but she hasn't done jack to actually solve the issues

[versed glade]

Soosu came long after the queen took power

[jagged turret]

isn't she the one who keeps sending rebels to auburn like syndra?

[silk venture]

they could be complete taken over

[restive yacht]

She also made everything inside her realm stronger

[silk venture]

could be worse

[formal bridge]

And has fruma done anything to stop that?

[restive yacht]

yes, u can still see the diff

[formal bridge]

Tasim says it himself, she only really cares about fruma. She's a control freak

[split night]

what?? where did you guys got this

[silk venture]

and its not like she isnt sending fruma people with strong powers into the realm to somewhat help as a biproduct

[formal bridge]

The rest of the world is second fiddle

[gleaming apex]

Her preventing the beasts from expanding has literally nothing to do with the terrible way she runs Fruma, she literally says it's purely because she exists at all

[versed glade]

If not for fruman recruits wynn would collapse

[formal bridge]

So her solution is to send massive waves of mindless soldiers

Instead of just

[split night]

She don't have any control over what her realm is doing after she left it and become queen in Fruma, everything we see in Wynn is the Realm of War acting on its own not because of Queen, like the ass hole Bak'al

[haughty oasis]

Yeah the most she did that set up a barrier along the riverside and even then Lari herself has to check and maintain the barrier from time to time 😭 That really only fuelled the superstition that the river protected the villagers from the Decay…

[formal bridge]

Sharing technology and resources

The queen is not a good person protecting the world oit of altruism

[young sequoia]

I believe only player group is a complete success only

[jagged turret]

why did orphion just go no contact with us after rol?
we could have use his help in fruma.

[formal bridge]

She's protecting fruma in a desperate attempt to maintain control over her life

[young sequoia]

others just live normally or die

[formal bridge]

And if the other realm beasts mess with fruma she'll blow everyone up out of spite

[versed glade]

The light grasp over gavel has not fully recovered so he probably just too weak to help us

[split night]

I only agree on this part
otherwise are you just hallucinate reason to spite her's majesty xd

[formal bridge]

I'm just pointing out how little she's done to help anyone not inside Fruma

And even then, only the highlands in fruma are a 100% nice place to live

[split night]

as she put it post-raid
I think she maybe a little selfish but is it wrong to want to be free after Eons of being trapped in eternal pain and suffering?

[gleaming apex]

Even her plan to save the world only requires her sovereigns and the resonance weavers to work, the cruelty of Fruma is kinda just because she feels like it

[formal bridge]

I'm not saying she's wrong

She's just not a tragic hero

[split night]

I think she's just Pink Diamond from Steven Universe with a bit more complicated story and personality

[formal bridge]

She's a villain still and a tyrant, who just happens to actually give a damn about the world even for her own validation

[split night]

Yeah I'd say she is more Antihero than Villain in a sense

Her goal is the full protection of Fruma and the world, her method is disagreeable so that make her an AntiHero?

[silk venture]

thats not exactly what im saying. Im more critizing the player for knowing nothing about fruma and coming to solve it without fully grasping it

like who are we?

[split night]

a Fruman that got exiled

[silk venture]

well literally yeah

[formal bridge]

Then what about the people who spent their lives living in fruma and also dislike it there

[versed glade]

Also killing an entire fort just beacuse they captured us

[silk venture]

what about all the people that like it?

[split night]

You mean the Highlands people?

the billionair like it

[limber swan]

You're just a hater

[formal bridge]

All the people in the highlands who don't give a damn about anyone else?

[split night]

not the vast majority of the citizens

xd

[gleaming apex]

That's the thing, most of the people in Fruma are very unhappy

[silk venture]

born and raised

[silk venture]

there were happy people in aburn forest

[formal bridge]

Or maybe the people dying of thirst in the auburn forest because the dam won't give them any fresh water

[split night]

I find it funny that "all the people that like it" is literally just rich people

xd

[silk venture]

mistwoods too

[split night]

Dude, have you see the situation over there?
they don't even use emerald as currency because they are TOO poor

[silk venture]

the roughworks yeah thats tough

[formal bridge]

Or the people having to work themselves to the bone just to own a house

[split night]

THEY HAVE A SPY SITUATION HERE WDYM

xd

[young sequoia]

nah people there is living in scary

[gleaming apex]

They are literally all pretty unhappy there what with the changelings murdering and kidnapping people

[young sequoia]

chance of being replaced by changeling

[formal bridge]

Notice how the mistwoods don't have even a hint of the technology anywhere else does cause they don't like the queen

[split night]

like in Mistwood you know that the government is replacing your friend or family with changeling

what the hell?

[silk venture]

yeah but thats life

[formal bridge]

Even the changelings are just raised from birth to serve the queen and nothing else

[hybrid gazelle]

||they use mistwood as trainning ground for changeling||

||Basically if you are a changeling and you survive the mistwood, you become spies for the crowd||

[split night]

yeah this
how are you even considering this to be a good life??

[hybrid gazelle]

||so it terrible for both Aldwell citizens and changeling||

[silk venture]

idk I enjoyed my time there

[split night]

._.

[gleaming apex]

Now you're just trolling

[young sequoia]

💀

[split night]

professional ragebaiter

[gleaming apex]

Literally bought the propaganda

[young sequoia]

I wonder if changeling even have its own society

they are somewhat smart creatures

[hybrid gazelle]

||they do we see this in discovery||

[split night]

I don't think they can since queen would obliterate them

[hybrid gazelle]

||Gikyo just like to gossip LOL||

||Azeal and Gikyo are mention to be sibling||

[split night]

||hey, let a they have their moment||

[silk venture]

doesnt training a changling req like decades of training?

[limber swan]

Wastelands probably have changeling town

[silk venture]

and that was really sped along by the sovereign so without him should be fine

changlings can be trained well but I believe they are somewhat robotic or like a parrot that can change shape

[hybrid gazelle]

you mean them?

[formal bridge]

They have their own culture, but it's entirely based around service to the queen. You don't get to live any other way. The one changeling we see outside fruma notably just took over another military fort. It's all they know how to do

[silk venture]

and even their shapes are all environment based as well. In the wild changelings are kind of a non-threat

[young sequoia]

so they are just a tool then

[hybrid gazelle]

||Azeal and Gikyo shown that changeling do have sapient so it likely most of them are indoctrinate as FUCK||

||also general's order one too||

[formal bridge]

Yup. Taken from their homes and forced to serve the queen and nothing else

[young sequoia]

ong only ||gikyo and azeal is smart ones so far||

[hybrid gazelle]

||maybe because the changeling we get to encounter in mistwod are the young one||

[young sequoia]

and that quest ones too since they managed to escape fruma somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

||And Gikyo and Azeal are just the older members that live long enough to gain more intelligent||

[formal bridge]

Well Fort Hegea is a training camp so it'd make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

||it likely that the other changeling that become actual spies likely smart as Gikyo and Azeal it jsut that we never see them due to their job||

[summer bluff]

Gikyo would 1 frumillion percent have a drama/commentary channel
And then get into a controversy

[hybrid gazelle]

||Maybe Jiro also smart one but you know||

[formal bridge]

||I wouldn't be surprised if the canopy also had a few other friendly ones inside of their ranks||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Jiro probably smart but they mess up their line a bit though not too much||

[versed glade]

||or maybe its beacuse if you would encounter another smart changeling you wouldt know that it is in fact a changeling||

[hybrid gazelle]

||extactly this, like Jiro||

[paper wyvern]

||yeah the ones in the mistwoods are specifically the ones that hadn't been trained enough to be sent out||

[young sequoia]

wait what quest said ||jiro is a changeling||

[versed glade]

||secret discoveries||

[paper wyvern]

||which one||

[limber swan]

?

[versed glade]

||one in the canopy hideout and one in the fort||

[hybrid gazelle]

||it heavily imply since if you get to interact Syndra in Echo of Change for the side dialogue

She mention how Jiro been asking a lot of questions and act out of character
At the end of dialogue, she mention how he off to see Quill

HOWEVER when we get to talk to Quill later on, he just mention that he never see Jiro at all and he just disappear||

[hybrid gazelle]

||that Azeal||

[paper wyvern]

||what does that have to do with jiro||

[versed glade]

Ah sorry i mixed them up

[hybrid gazelle]

||ALSO IF WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK IN THE LAST QUEST||

||When Yuman is on stage and greet Jiro when he present||

||Jiro just oddly wave the whole incident aside||

||imply that Jiro literally get take into the back and replace with changeling during the event of The Price of Ingeniunity||

||Consider we did not see Jiro even after Derj Prison breakout

we can assume he fucking dead||

[rain saffron]

|| man jiro was so suspicious idk how I didn’t notice 😭 ||

[restive yacht]

big question, why is there no OST for || the missing piece final part || ??

[restive yacht]

what even happened to him

no mentions afiak

[regal spire]

Yooo, Santa Zeph

[restive yacht]

uhm where the graves at btw

[summer bluff]

By the side of the house

[restive yacht]

how did i miss this

hold up i have a question

if Tasim was meant to be the 4th guy

did Aledar want to sacrifice Tasim ?

[rain saffron]

|| No idea honestly, I think he’s prob dead ||

[spring kernel]

||it seems like he got replaced by a changeling||

[restive yacht]

ZAMN

[spring kernel]

that's probably how they found out about the plan

[summer bluff]

Jiro shouldn't have been so angsty after we killed all those wings huh

[bold stag]

hey guys, I have a theory

what if aledar wanted to kill tasim in the silent expanse?

[hybrid gazelle]

This been written off aftually like

Before fruma update

[bold stag]

can you explain

[hybrid gazelle]

They tweak Ajb and Ajf dialogue to suggest less of that

Okay so basically

Now instead of Aledar saying they were planned to sacrifice their fourth

Now Alrdar talk more like he and Elphaba knew someone gojng to die during the journey but he and Elphaba agree that it should be either of them if it come to that

So yeah now they have no intent to sacrifice their fourth

This is very rough

So like

Go read it yourself

I think it on wiki, I hope

[restive yacht]

ngl if they reverted that, this would be such a strong link to enforce a path merge during overture of despair

[hybrid gazelle]

The original dialogue was not intent to convey the message it did

The tweak simply declear its intention better

[restive yacht]

yea yea ik, what if they (as in Aledar Elphaba and Lucio) meant to sacrifice Tasim tho

let's say they kept it that way

u could kinda have a reason to argue with Tasim on the damn dam

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe because the writers did not want it that way befause it does not fit the narrative they want to tell

[restive yacht]

they changed it tho, that means they didn't like it (?) it was never a question, i was making a point

mistakes were made in writing that sentence

[inner flower]

Anyone know what the name of the recruit is in the dairy in the quest the strong survive?

[hasty spoke]

Any lore on the corruptor of worlds?

[hybrid gazelle]

Uhh

It’s things that exist

It came out of portal

And then get lock up by Twain

That pretty much it

It also very strong and scary

And green

Cause reasons

[inner flower]

He was also the head of the excavation team that found the portal

[hybrid gazelle]

That just a legend

There is no confirmation

[inner flower]

Ok

[hybrid gazelle]

People are not sure what CoW actually is

It probably will be a Devil

[haughty oasis]

MAN WHO PUT ONIONS NEAR ME

What was that side quest brooooo 😭

[misty horizon]

🥀

[summer bluff]

<@&268142859327242242>

MR BEAAAAAST

Fast modwork 👍

[candid fox]

mr beast lore

[summer bluff]

Emerald beast lore

Those corrupted by it do this one specific scam and if you fall for it your soul is taken

[signal bough]

speaking of has anyone ever encountered an Obsessor outside of the quest

[hasty beacon]

Some people have

No me tho

[rancid dragon]

Yes, I have. Also there is a vid on youtube https://youtu.be/6RILDXqptIg?si=Ihv6Z1LtTOriDFTm

*not by me btw

[high oasis]

who is that great hero?

[stuck sinew]

Ross

[past plover]

Bob

[high oasis]

i guess Robert

[digital swan]

is there a way to trap them before you accept the trade and then rain fire down on them

I want a pet obessor in a neat little pen

[hasty beacon]

Bro my name starts with an r i thought they were talking about me😭😭😭

[summer bluff]

So does mine lmaooo

[fallen forge]

ryan smith

[shut hornet]

this would have been funny actually

it would have been possible to do that but weird with cases where peoples names start with non-letters

also it wouldnt make sense because it would imply the fruman government is aware of the player's achievements and added it into the recruit conditioning program despite the queen making it evident that she has not heard of your actions (calling you one amongst identical thousands)

[hasty beacon]

I guess ill have to keep going thru the story to figure out who this mysterious person is then

Cause i really wanna know now

[shut hornet]

its bob

bob's real name is robert, which starts with an r

[hasty beacon]

Ohhh

I would not have figured that out lol

[true eagle]

doesnt she say that because the player looks ordinary

[signal bough]

so do you think we're gonna get to read the player's file when we get to Deraj

I think that's like

the only thing of note remaining in Fruma

[graceful scarab]

do i need to have every rune in my inv for this

[paper wyvern]

no it doent work yet

[molten escarp]

I just wonder what Tasim has been up to, if beating up The Parasite, TCC, and The Eye doesn't mean much
unless the queen just doesn't know that those happened

[shut hornet]

she doesnt know

[molten escarp]

jolly

[winged narwhal]

I'd assume it's Ragnar

[shut hornet]

its bob

[winged narwhal]

understood

[rustic nexus]

I also thought it was ragnar at first ngl

😭

[spring kernel]

i thought it was bob because i forgot ragnar existed

[winged narwhal]

i mean ragnar may as well not exist

[formal bridge]

She knows we were involved in some of the stuff there, but not the precise details. Not to mention personality is a factor too. The player is more likely to just turn around and refuse her orders at the point of the story Fruma comes around. We've come a long way from the blank slate doing whatever people ask of us

[cerulean osprey]

mhm
||and the letter from aledar in the graveyard post apotheosis is from before we go to SE||

[graceful scarab]

wait where is his grave

[rich scarab]

yeah as two says at the end of apotheosis, even considering all the stuff we've done we still wouldn't've been the right choice

[cerulean osprey]

||back where you first meet leaves in the wind||

in auburn

[karmic pewter]

who even is Bob Wynncraft

[clever quartz]

Wait so ||Her Majesty|| is the ||Corruption||???

[young dagger]

no

well not strictly speaking

[dense lagoon]

hes an old hero, he was a ragni soldier and titled 'protector of wynn' who was considered the or one of the strongest in wynn province. he mastered all 4 arts (archery, assassination also seen as knavery on the wiki, magic and spearmanship)

[clever quartz]

So what do they mean when they say ||she is War||

[dense lagoon]

hes like what some villages compare their legendary figures to such as some dude named siegfried of gavel or like tisaun

but tisaun is a little different and i think he was around in the bob era

[limber swan]

I don't think Bob was ever a Soldier

he was just a dude who trained for 20 years to be a powerful fighter

[dense lagoon]

i read this off of the wiki since im newish

wait

im wrong

my bad

it was wynn i just misread

😭

[karmic pewter]

i bet im stronger

[limber swan]

ik the wiki says he was the most powerful soldier but really?

[karmic pewter]

na like canonically arent u as the player like the prodigy

[jagged turret]

he single handedly drove back ||annie||

[dense lagoon]

theoritically speaking which civilization/kingdom has the strongest army

[limber swan]

ye how does that make him a Soldier

Bob is just the hero of Wynn

[karmic pewter]

is there a hero of gavel

hero of fruma

[jagged turret]

yes

[karmic pewter]

hero of dern

[dense lagoon]

he was the only person to beat ||bak'al who was allegedly the first human to come out of the portal||

[limber swan]

I think we are the hero of Fruma

[young dagger]

In the way that ||Orphion is the light and the Dern beast (Saph I would assume) is the dark|| in that sense ||Anathema is War||

[limber swan]

I KNOW I KNOW

[jagged turret]

theres also a chance hes bald

[young dagger]

but the queen as her current iteration isn't related to that

[limber swan]

THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE WAS ENLISTED AS A SOLDIER

ISTG

[dense lagoon]

yeahh no i just read he wasnt i did say my bad

i misread

😭

[karmic pewter]

||who||

[young dagger]

Her raid end dialogue mentions how ||her consciousness was a miracle and that she didn't want to be who she represented||

[karmic pewter]

oh wait i seeee

huh

[jagged turret]

||siegfried, you should play that sky island quest i think it was hero of gavel it will explain more about him||

[karmic pewter]

doing the hero of gavel quest now

[dense lagoon]

||siegfried, but it was said he was faked to promote a brand or something on the wiki, it could also be tisaun but he was an actual soldier prior and then became a mercenary and formed sodeta which then moved from near troms to gavel||

[jagged turret]

||orphion and saph or more of the gods of their realms, anathema is like an sibling among many||

[gleaming apex]

No, ||The real siegfried did exist as a great hero, but he died and now they have actors play the part to make money and for optics ig||

[past plover]

Question: Are Corkians rabbits?

[jagged turret]

yes

[clever quartz]

||So apparently there were multiple Siegfrieds||

[young dagger]

where is that mentioned?

[clever quartz]

I wonder if ||Bak'al|| knows abt ||Anathema||

[karmic pewter]

is it canon that the ||player is the only one that can respawn||

[past plover]

Love the no hesitation with the answer

[young dagger]

theres a discovery that shows the fates of some of them

[clever quartz]

Oh yeah I remember now

[jagged turret]

|| think it was from the last two quests or post raid dia||

[young dagger]

I mean if we take the cotl quest as canon, I guess? But I don't think that Death mentions giving that deal to others

[stuck jetty]

Can we get an in-game explanation as to how Silverbull operates in Fruma?

[jagged turret]

|| i think he lied so we don't question why he revived us, since he was contacted by some one to not let us die ||

[stuck jetty]

||where does it say he was contacted by someone to not let us die?||

[jagged turret]

let me check the wiki i swear he was contacted by some one

[gleaming apex]

Have you finished fruma?

[clever quartz]

Almost

[gleaming apex]

Keep playing then

[jagged turret]

|| when we ask death why he won't make us forget deaths realm he tells us he got some postage and that some one was invested in our continued survival||

[stuck jetty]

interesting

[young dagger]

given the level range of that quest, I'd assume it was Orphion then

[karmic pewter]

was it explained why we have no memory of fruma

[young dagger]

or whatever is animating our character || as in referencing the "draw power from within" option when trying to save Zhiraok||

[uneven basin]

|| Where's note number 6 in the strong survive ? ||

[jagged turret]

don't think likely since this was after rol and he never talked to us after that

[young dagger]

I mean we are still his new scion no?

He still needs us to do his will

[jagged turret]

i don't think we are his scion since || two calls other people scions but not us||

[jagged turret]

ye in the recover the past quest

[storm crater]

coiled stone

[burnt robin]

NESH IL KETH ATH SHEF NFILPETS USH ELUH SHOF TOFTULPRATH

has anyone deciphered this yet

[signal bough]

there's also one at the top too

[unborn latch]

Well we didnt take any power from orphion like lari did or like ||bakal/the sovereigns did from anathema||

[burnt zodiac]

We barely know any of the words in this one

"This is [KETS ATH].
You [NIFILPETS] [TULPRATH] with [ELAH]."

is all I can get

[tribal crystal]

Does Auburn Forest include wellspring of eternity, fort toramm and xima vally.
Or is it considered a unique area like the citidel?

[near rock]

||Completely unrelated but I found this message while searching for sui bread gif this morning and though I'd spoiled myself on a major plot point that she'd die and get replaced, having just gone through the jiro stuff

This did not happen and now I feel like an idiot||

[gleaming apex]

Lmao

[rich scarab]

did you find the gif in the end?

[near rock]

yeag

[zinc quarry]

Does the player canonically wear their armor and stuff at all times

Or is it like stored in the bank unless it’s in a dangerous area

Actually are the banks being synced via enderchests canon

[clever quartz]

Guys what do we know about this area?

[zinc quarry]

Cuz if the player always has their gear on they should be able to slaughter their way out of basically everything no?

Given that they e literally killed the eye of the dern beast before

[signal bough]

wastelands, home to Deraj prison

[clever quartz]

Oh not added yet I see

Maybe a future quest

[near rock]

There's quests where your character gets stripped but its basically never reflected in gameplay because it invites wipe bugs

[burnt robin]

its america

you can tell by the infrastructre

[clever quartz]

Do we know anything about ||Changelings|| besides their abilities

Like origins and stuff

[signal bough]

magic goop

[modern cosmos]

this has probably been said before, but is orphion stuipd?

the moment lari started being stupid he should have just switched pulses

dullahan would have been perefect, for instance

[zinc quarry]

hm ok

are the bank enderchesets canon?

[frigid elm]

||When you beat the Wartorn Palace for the first time, does the sky in Fruma go back to normal, or is it dark with the rift forever?||

[summer bluff]

not how blessing ppl works

[summer bluff]

yea

[modern cosmos]

he was able to bless the moment we showed up, why didn't he do that with someone before half of gavel was decayed?

maybe just there was no one powerful/good enought?

[summer bluff]

he didnt bless us, just gave us permission to enter the light realm

[modern cosmos]

oh, i interpreted him a calling us his pulse as him gifting us some sort of power

still tho, he might have been able to call one of the dogun or something

not nessesarly bless them, but at least let them fight the parasite

[summer bluff]

maybe

[formal bridge]

||They're from underground and were mined up some time ago. Sovereign Selium tried investigating them and learning more as they started to dry up, but eventually went missing||

[rich scarab]

||it does go back to normal however there's a trinket you can get from the raid to bring back the skybox, although it is quite rare||

[uneven basin]

Also || cosmic magic is somehow involved ||

[silk ravine]

||Yeah it does go back to normal||

[copper breach]

The ragni soldier's name is just the player's name in lore, but what would you call them?

[winged narwhal]

Is the most well adjusted sovereign Majin

[young dagger]

he's the oldest sovereign after gikyo

that said, his personality was always that of a pompous ass so time didn't really change much

[rotund gust]

3rd oldest. Oru is oldest we just haven’t met them cause wastelands

[young dagger]

fair

praying for wastelands to be open pvp + 1 dungeon

[rotund gust]

also i feel like zhiraok is the most “well adjusted” As far as being like mentally stable and able to function in society

[young dagger]

i mean zhiraok's only been at it for 20 years

[rotund gust]

that’s fair

also maybe two

[copper breach]

wait gikyo's the oldest?

He has the maturity of a 15 year old

[young dagger]

he was part of the first changelings excavated

and yes, he's the joker character

[rotund gust]

Majin’s ||powertrip and explosion at the end of his fight|| sort of shows he wasn’t all that stable near the end. Granted that was because of ||him embracing cosmic magic, but he sort of had that power for hundreds of years so maybe we holding back from fully embracing it, like micro dosing it||

[young dagger]

meanwhile the 3 scientist brothers getting cooked from 1 hit of cosmic magic

[rotund gust]

||majins cosmic magic being read as drug addiction is really funny to me||

[winged narwhal]

This Jiro guy seems nice and forgiving

I mean, Zhiraok is not without his issues

[tepid blade]

||Okay out there theory but it has some evidence to work with, but I think the colorless strand that you find within yourself at the end of The Apotheosis quest represent Life, as going off of the map that The Second showed us when discussing who the queen was in Overture to Despair, The Realm of War is shown to be the opposite of our world, and The Corruption which creates undead (un-life) is related to The Realm of War||

[rotund gust]

zhiraok when someone addresses his workaholic tendencies and the psychic hole in the back of his head:

[rotund gust]

||realm of war* isn’t necessarily the opposite of our world/the realm of influence though. It’s specifically a reflection of the war for our world, not our world itself||

[winged narwhal]

By the way, do we ever get to see the Flowersbed

[copper breach]

How did a poorly trained changeling end up in gavel?

[limber swan]

||so is this guy the gendarme commander?||

[rotund gust]

idk flew over there

[tepid blade]

Which character are you talking about?

[summer bluff]

Prolly ran away, they do have a bat form

[winged narwhal]

Only known entity capable of traveling through barriers

[rich scarab]

||two?||

||werent they around since the queen arrived in fruma||

[rotund gust]

right, 4th oldest

i kinda forgot about them since they feel kinda seperate from the other sovereigns

[silk ravine]

Honestly dungeons are super under-utilised imo, I hope we get ||the Deraj prison warden|| as a dungeon boss. We were robbed of a Dullahan dungeon boss too.

[uneven basin]

SALTED

GIVE ME A NEW DUNGEON AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

just corrupted FF would be nice

[silk ravine]

Also, once you beat ||Anathema||, is there any other epilogue at all beyond ||Tasim burying Aledar’s body behind the Auburn Forest base||? I was hoping we’d get to see ||Rex, Sui and Soosu/Zhiraok at some point||.

[silk ravine]

Apparently OG Dullahan before he was retconned into an elf was meant to be Gavel’s dungeon boss

I kind of liked the concept behind the original Dullahan tbh, not that I dislike the current one.

It’s still odd that Gavel has no unique dungeons at all but Corkus has one.

[summer bluff]

Not yet no

[slim belfry]

actually dullahan was supposed to be raid boss lol

[silk ravine]

Oh wow they planned raids that far back?

Interesting. I wonder what he would have been like to fight.

Obviously they can’t do that now, Dullahan’s lore has changed completely and he’s no longer the same character.

[formal bridge]

MMO raids have been around since the early 2000s, implementing them into Wynncraft as an idea isn't so surprising

[uneven basin]

There also used to be the plan for mortal mountain before it became the colossus

There's been the new corrupted GG so at least dungeons aren't abandoned

[formal bridge]

I think dungeons work good early game but the later on in level you get, the less appealing they are to me at least. They just don't fit as much with the scale that raids bring into the game imo. They could definitely use another overhaul thought, the corrupted dungeons at the very least need one

[snow kiln]

wait what, where is that

[subtle obsidian]

||i know azael is a changling from the sd but is it ever explained why he fights the crown? i didnt really understand the letter||

[snow kiln]

his friend ded

[formal bridge]

||I mean it's not like the crown treats them very well either lmao||

[subtle obsidian]

ah ty

[uneven basin]

They're a different experience, I like having solo content, also it feels more involved in the story, to me at least, plus the forgery has a lot of potential

[formal bridge]

I mostly just think the quests are better focus as a solo experience than dungeons are. We already have bosses and stuff and anything a dungeon could provide can be included into a quest

the only thing not there is replayabilty, and people already want replayable quests

[cobalt flame]

I just did the perspectives puzzle with the yellow glass, so glad this game has quests like this

[snow kiln]

The one in the Wynn excavation quest iirc?

[uneven basin]

Well the replayability is also a factor for dungeons, replayable quests that give good XP and gear

[cobalt flame]

ye

[snow kiln]

Yes good quest tho they could use a modernisation

[cobalt flame]

i thought it was lit still

[digital mountain]

HEy all, found the Hidden Valley in the Hidden City quest, read this note from the dead explorer in the Valley
The last part of it mentions taking a vow to 'Dismantle the corrupt guilds that plauge this land'

• In the current version, it just says to fight till your last breath
• But in the Wiki's version, it says to fight 'without drawing a sword'
  Sounded to me like some sort of secret pacifist playthrough, but it may have been removed? Any knowledge would be cool as its interesting lol

Just seemed like a weird thing for them to change for no reason

Oh also it mentions a sorcerer, who is that referring too?

[slim belfry]

Dramele

[digital mountain]

OH THE GUY FROM THE TOWER

ohh makes sense

dialouge change is still odd tho idk

[late wave]

Middle of the Industrial District questline hitting my prediction sheet before progressing. I will disappear now because spoilers are allowed here and I'd rather not

[slim belfry]

[hardy knoll]

Dang the Quest Missing Piece ...

https://tenor.com/view/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-enough-to-make-a-grown-man-cry-police-officer-make-a-man-cry-gif-15227532

||Rest in Peace Elise.||

[split night]

oh my boat you're gonna be so sad and upset xd

good luck finishing the game

[signal bough]

||got two right I guess||

[late wave]

I only made predictions cause I except a complete bloodbath idk

I played Silent Expanse I know how easily writers string these characters up

[split night]

dw
Fruma quests story is a little bit more in depth than that

[late wave]

Hoping so

[split night]

they won't die stupid, they will die and make you sob for them

[late wave]

I feel like I'll be fine

[signal bough]

yeah I would say dont expect the same as the SE

[late wave]

Unless they really pull some shit

[signal bough]

I would say do the sovereigns but that's easy

[late wave]

I mean ||Killing Zhiroak|| made me a lil sad cause he's kinda a real one but then ||Ok so he's just immortal|| so I stopped really caring immediately

[signal bough]

Zhiroak would be the funniest cause he has the most deaths

[tribal crystal]

What loose ends exist in the lore?
I know of the windfortress, the molten heights slimes, dullahan storyline...
What else?

[signal bough]

player's origin, Nilrem, Sohso

Lari's location

Bob's mom

[split night]

I'm kinda upset that I can't kill ||Majin more than one time||
||Zhiroak and Soosu|| are the only goated one I swear

[signal bough]

and windfortress?

[signal bough]

I liked ||Gikyo when I first saw him in that one SD and I would like a convo with Azael about him||

[tribal crystal]

Sohso is probably in wastelands
bob' mom was probably an olm and is dead. (we kill her in decrepid sewerrs)
Players origin wont ever be explained fully.

Lari's location is for later

Nilrem is one though.

[signal bough]

Bob's mom's origin I mean

[tribal crystal]

Olm decent

[signal bough]

well

[late wave]

Hey come on now

[signal bough]

I guess there's some living Olm they're just nuts

[tribal crystal]

then again the olms themselves are still a loose end plot wise.

[signal bough]

also I keep thinking the eagle and owl tribes are beastmen but they're just wearing masks

so that means there's just the squid people and then technically the pigmen

in Wynn

[cobalt flame]

what does training mean for horses?

[split night]

you train horses to make it better at moving?

xd

[clever marlin]

realm of stars lore (crystal) in void

[warped owl]

Has anyone done the fruman language translation stuff or should I share my findings?

[signal bough]

check threads in this chat

[tulip pike]

it's more complicated than aincient wynnic or gavel

what do I look for to figure out the order of eras?

[rain saffron]

I just did A Missing Piece.. || 😭😭 ou ||

[clever quartz]

Why is one in Gavel

[snow kiln]

KA, NA, IA as ordered, I forgor years tho.

[snow kiln]

Which changeling is in gavel?

[clever quartz]

The General's Orders

that quest

the guy who makes you do random stuff

[summer bluff]

Ran away prolly

[tulip pike]

we don't know but what do you think changelings are normally used for?

[signal bough]

the answers are prob in that book in the library but are the soldiers patrolling the Mistwoods changelings or humans from other regions of Fruma?

[tulip pike]

changelings are working ||for the crown||

[snow kiln]

Lots of things have escaped fruma from after the queen's arrival, royals like ||gale||, corkians, etc. I would not be suprised that something that could look like anything could escape

[snow kiln]

Well changelings are just creatures, the mistwoods SDs prove that

[tulip pike]

corkians are gathered recruits who cannot use magic no?

[snow kiln]

obv they're running low on em so the sentience of the manufactured changelings i'm not exactly sure off

[snow kiln]

no

the corkians literally use electromagic

[signal bough]

there's an industrial SD about the first corkians, but there's additional information that makes me think that more corkians came in later that were wiped of their memories

[snow kiln]

A SD in roughworks literally shows John Corkus. Like THE JOHN CORKUS.

[snow kiln]

well no doubt some percentage of the settlers were also humans let out through the gate

[tulip pike]

i'm getting through the SDs

[snow kiln]

I mean u can't restart society with like 10 people

[snow kiln]

the electromagic ain't a SD chat

[signal bough]

specifically the lore is that people went through the mountains prior to the construction of the gate