📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

||Light and Shadow|| and ||Wicker man||

[fierce beacon]

Ahh ty ill check those out

[rustic nexus]

when I'm in a relevance competition and my opponent is

[fierce beacon]

He is good at the being a creepy villain but there's no story for him which is funny

[hybrid gazelle]

Hey

They

[rustic nexus]

yeah gikyo uses they/them

[hybrid gazelle]

Funnily enough I feel their screen time are more effectively use compared to to ||soosu|| 😭

[fierce beacon]

Right forgot about that

[rustic nexus]

kind of, yeah...

[slim belfry]

yeah none of the sovs compare to zhiraok

[hybrid gazelle]

||I never really ask anything morr about Gikyo while soosu is like “what about flowers, what about her golems”||

[rustic nexus]

cuz he's the goat.....

[spring kernel]

we love zhiraok

[snow kiln]

Hey, uh whazat?

[neat oriole]

a secret

[limber swan]

||does anyone know where note 6 is in strong survive||

[edgy loom]

||have you tried looking in the place where majin gave his speech?||

[limber swan]

||thats where note 1 is||

nevermind i found it

[rustic nexus]

secret discovery

[snow kiln]

yeah I already found it all g tho

[rustic nexus]

the way to open it is near the entrance

ah

[cerulean osprey]

i somehow like fruma more than any other province story wise

[edgy loom]

fruma is qualityslop

[slim belfry]

yeah people only like fruma because it's good

[warm tusk]

did anyone decode the unknown language near nasin house?

[restive yacht]

Well, they.... 're not breathing

[rustic nexus]

gikyo's piles of they/them pronouns

[slim belfry]

was/were

[hoary breach]

|| so are the ppl on the tablet overlooking ragni from the secret discovery with the ice mole originally from fruma or could they even be further away? ||

[slim belfry]

||they were fruma colonies||

[hoary breach]

|| So is there any known land left except wasteland & dern? ||

[slim belfry]

||that's it||

[warm tusk]

Did anyone make lore video or like a lore thread of fruma as a whole?
I would love to watch that

[restive yacht]

Ig both realm of darkness & realm of war

[hoary breach]

isnt dern the real of darkness?

[restive yacht]

Ig

Ngl i wouldn't be mad if at some point they decided to make realms as big as fruma

ROL is very small

[hoary breach]

rol is more just a quest area ig

[restive yacht]

It would make sense to expand on that

[hoary breach]

would love a realm of light lr camp

[restive yacht]

More quests

[restive yacht]

Fr

[gleaming apex]

So like I'm a bit confused on how ||The battle between light and dark works. Were they constantly fighting or not? According to RoL4, they are constantly fighting on the plane of influence, in the realm of war, and that reflects onto the physical world. But Anathema says that the Beasts haven't expanded since she came into the physical plane. Was the tree just lying or is expanding in the physical world a separate action they deliberately do?||

[rustic nexus]

||the opening of the portals in 0AP left their grip on the physical realm not as strong as it was originally. yes, they still fight, but not as fiercly as they once did||

||but now with Anathema out of the picture, they can strive to achieve what their influence on the world was during the original connection||

[split night]

hey guys i just came back from the last industrial district quest and i gotta say ||soosu is goated as hell||

[sudden perch]

where was it? I also cant find it

[candid cliff]

what's this font

[split night]

fun font

[sudden perch]

ok its the bottom one

[rustic nexus]

||yes she is||

also damn they added interactions in the buried records discovery

[main yew]

Does anyone have cords to aledar's grave

i cant find the cords to the leaves base i forgot ;-;

[atomic hamlet]

||Was Tasim going to be the planned sacrifice for the SE expedition?||

||I don’t think he was, but if so based on AJF dialogue that would be incredibly cruel||

[main yew]

nvm i found it

yeah thats what i was gonna ask

[main yew]

||it would seem that way||

[burnt zodiac]

the 2 scrolls?

[rustic nexus]

yea

[main yew]

||Mabye we get to tell tasim about what actually happened in the Silent Expanse||

[rustic nexus]

||I don't think the planned sacrifice is a thing anymore, or at least it isn't who the 4th would be for||

[warm flicker]

there was a (relatively) recent rewrite of AJB/AJF where ||there still is a planned sacrifice, its just that Aledar and Elphaba - both of who planned out the mission - plan to sacrifice themselves to let the other kill the Eye. I could be interpreting it wrong but thats what I believe is the intended message. Aledar wanted to invite Tasim so that he could go and kill the Eye, instead of being used as a sacrifice||

[main yew]

||It could also be that they planned to kill the 4th like in our case everything points towards the fact they wanted to kill the 4th esp since aledar was hesitant to bring us along||

[atomic hamlet]

||So apparently now the planned sacrifice was going to most likely be Elphaba, of her own volition||

[ancient dock]

||I remember reading somewhere that elphie was the sacrifice||

[hollow charm]

is there a document or a thread with the Fruman Secret Discoveries?

Looking for Remains of the cursed rn

[mossy badge]

How does one decode frumic? I transcribed some inscription through totally legit ways and it seems to be garbage

(specifically buried records, im lvl 117 btw)

[pine flower]

People use the Rosetta Stone iirc

[mossy badge]

Well i'll prolly come back to this question later cuz idk whats that

[warm flicker]

on the mountains overlooking the Roughworks, and on a cliff in the highlands overlooking Ragni, there are two rosetta stones (basically texts in modern wynnic/english and old fruman) that people have managed to get a basic grasp on the writing from

[brave rune]

Work in progress

If you mean specifically the writing system there’s a transcriber

[mossy badge]

Ah

Didn't think about that, i thought it says smth different

[past laurel]

the 3rd lowest platform

3rd lowest platform

[feral lynx]

what will the recruit program become after we defeat anathema canonically...

[paper wyvern]

||Gone probably. But we also are on a time limit to end the war of the realms so it shouldn't matter that much||

[warm tusk]

Can someone send a pic of the already depicted letters of the old fruman language?

[brave rune]

is this what you want

[warm tusk]

yesss

thank youu

how do you get this item?

[brave rune]

||you need to do a specific quest, house of nasin or whatever? idk i havent pplayed the update. then you go fight gale in the hive and she drops it i think|||

[warm flicker]

||u need to do a specific secret discovery, which is at the Nasin manor in the Highlands. The discovery is about Gale and her upbringing in Fruma. After doing that, u need to go to the Hive and talk to Gale, who should be in a small cavity near the entrance||

[brave rune]

thank u

[warm tusk]

||Nicee i already got the secret discovery||

[brave rune]

i am an armchair translator

relying on the grad students who retrieve data from dangerous lands

[warm tusk]

xdd

[mossy badge]

Where's the shrine in the roughworks exactly?

[warm tusk]

||I cant really find the place Gale should be at. I found a grave tho with his name on it||

||Which cavity am i looking for?||

||nvm found it lol||

[young sequoia]

since Azael is a ||changeling, did the Canopy know about it and let him to be leader?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||likely that they dont know||

[warm tusk]

||Am i drunk or the fruman translation is stupid and not sansible||

[shut hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/sans-undertale-10th-anniversary-stream-10th-anniversary-stream-gif-13643588481218688806

[inland canopy]

||am pretty sure thats just you cause everyone else can understand fruman perfectly||

[warm tusk]

||Hmm, what am i doing wrong lol||

[spring falcon]

Your drunk

[inland canopy]

||yeah the text on the note gale drops for instance says "Bob is the Dern beast. Dern release date is 22. 4. 2026" pretty clear imo||

[warm tusk]

||WHASSS, how did that come out??||

||translating this got me:
neshel il kets ath shef _ilpets ush eluh shof toftulprath||

[inland canopy]

||you gotta put it through a caesar cypher twice once per each part of the release date of fruma trust||

[warm tusk]

||wtf is that real?||

[brave rune]

||that underscore, is a nii rune which corresponds to nif||

||so nifilpets||

[inland canopy]

||if = e, il = o guys i cracked the code||

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so to seriously answer your question

unlike other language that it in the game

this is not just replacing a sumbol with a letter

this is pretty much its own langauge

that you need to decipher through given example such as ||roughwork shrine|| and ||rosetta stone||

Communtiy already being put to work in order to make conlag and understanding the fruman language

[warm tusk]

Ooh okay thanks for the help. Is there like a discord server for already depicted words?

[hybrid gazelle]

there is document

but I dont thin kI have link

[brave rune]

did u not know that this was a different language?

[warm tusk]

I guessed that, because nothing really came out of it, but first i thought it would be english but with other letters

[hybrid gazelle]

nope it like

literally its own language with its own vocab

[brave rune]

everyone asks about the "fruman language" and so i assume they already know 💀

[hybrid gazelle]

if you were to directly translate it into English

it would be unreadable gibberish

[brave rune]

orthography brain i guess

language = script

the cyrillic lanuage

[hybrid gazelle]

tthis is SS I have for the doc

I have the doc but i am not sure it suppose to be on editor invite

so I dont wanna risk posting it

[warm tusk]

Interesting

[twin citrus]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bvjamsqt8nJMu69KDAwyVb3r44UX1pbXZvBveRm5LOM/edit?usp=sharing there's this doc too, which isn't editor on invite so it should be fine to post? (i can remove if wanted tho)

[warm tusk]

woww thanks

[hybrid gazelle]

Wait

Where is Eksh altar?

shit is so fucked how whne corruption break out, the entire council literally decide to cut connection from other colonies

[wind flame]

about the raid boss dialouge ||anathema is talking about a truy enemy above orphion and the realm o dern, which took control of the corruption. she said that if cross him again we should kill him for her, does somebody know who she is talking about.||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Bak'al||

[wind flame]

||i thought bakal was made by the dernic realm||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Nope he literally title as War's lost scion||

||He orgiinalyl work with Anathema until he left her for Dern||

[wind flame]

ah ok thx

[gleaming apex]

So about that post raid dialogue, ||Are we being manipulated by someone else? She literally says
"great lengths… must have… been taken… to hide this… from me."
Who hid it?||

[regal spire]

The Devs, Microsoft, the engineers behind your computer, many theories rn

[paper wyvern]

||whatever created the emptyness in the player that we have no hints towards yet||

[digital swan]

Donald Trump

[unique crescent]

did zhiraok not die? I dont understand how after the fight he was dead and bleeding, but then hes just like there again

can anyone clarify?

[hybrid gazelle]

||Zhiraok have a charm that he charge with his time magic that allow him to revive through temporal mean||

If you dont understand that, don tworry about it

contineu playing

[unique crescent]

yeah I just finished the last quest, I thought it would get explained somewhere, but it just like didnt, or I'm completely blind

[paper wyvern]

It's explained more in later quests

[hybrid gazelle]

||it did||

you finish apotheosis right??

||Like ltierally it explain in echo of change, he said it outloud 😭||

EoC spoiler

[unique crescent]

oh what

I completely missed that

[hybrid gazelle]

||you can literally see the animation of him being revive with particle being a clock rewind||

[unique crescent]

hmmm I honestly idk how I missed that

seems like it was pretty defined

[unique jungle]

• lore yes

so?

[hybrid gazelle]

aslso by having villager in their game

they also accept the racist sterotype that associate with them wahtever they like it or not

but like

beside the point

villager is a dumb name nanyway

[paper wyvern]

||Thinking about how soverigns magic relate to the olm
Zhiraok uses time magic which time valley was created by the olm for time magic
Majin uses cosmic magic and thats the magic of the crystals which olm used to hide from the eye
and then with two having prophecy well we have anya from the SE secret discoveries
I got nothing for gik and soosu||

[hybrid gazelle]

so literally how much you look at it

villagerj ust do not have place in wynncraft

[regal spire]

They’ve been moving away from MC references to the lore as a whole. It’s why the creeper is a completely optional mob, now, and not a greater creature in the lore of the world (RoL, LS/CLS)

[hybrid gazelle]

the only reason peopel even want to keep villager is because they just exist for long time

that literally it

there is no other substance

[unique jungle]

i mean yeah

may as well

[hybrid gazelle]

not really hwne the game direction change

[regal spire]

Can’t make fun plushies of villagers, though

[paper wyvern]

honestly they need to redo some of the worldbuilding on the humanoids of gavel

[unique jungle]

just dont change anything 👍

[hybrid gazelle]

things change as wynncraft take a whole new identity

it no longert the funny "minecraft parody"

it's its own fantasy setting that no longer associate with wynncraft

Villager COULD exist but as what htey are now, they are extremely out of place for the reigon they exist in

also wynncraft is too fucking woke but yeah

[unique jungle]

i mean the game is still fundamentally minecraft
i dont see them as out of place

isnt gavel the continent of villagers practically

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft nowaday treat minecraft as engine

[regal spire]

It’s also why “The Nether” is gone, and why the ender dragon isn’t in the game, and why they work to change the models of a lot of mobs. It’s all to move away from its previous association with MC, so it can be its own thing more

[paper wyvern]

the angels just kinda exist and all are hostile but why???
WTF are the skyraiders??
Villagers really need a better identity

[hybrid gazelle]

yes but fundemntally gavel is a region of high fantasy

so whatever new race that would replace villagers

[regal spire]

Villagers existing in game means it will still have that connection to MC, especially when it’s just straight up the name of the mob in MC

[hybrid gazelle]

also creeper being phase out

[paper wyvern]

I mean I hope they dont remove creepers

[unique jungle]

that one really hurts fr

[hybrid gazelle]

they already slowly doing it LOL

ROL literally removing creeper

so as Timelost

[unique jungle]

like villagers are like ok whatever they have a bunch of lore with like racism and are the humans of gavel
but creepers 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I think you missing the issue about ivllager

but sure

[unique jungle]

also lowkey timelost was a crazy dungeon to revamp of all the ones they couldve picked

[hybrid gazelle]

we can go with that

[formal bridge]

The villagers as a faction are fine

[unique jungle]

that wasnt issues

[formal bridge]

They just shouldn't be called villagers

And have a different model

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-holding-back-laughter-laughter-gif-23404300

[paper wyvern]

yeah but honestly I dont really care as long as they dont remove the pigman ravine creepers

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah sure man

[formal bridge]

I think they work fine as a group

[unique jungle]

goated quest ngl

[formal bridge]

They aren't the best, but better than some

[paper wyvern]

cause removing them from everywhere else is fine but having creepers as a single easter egg quest is good

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably will consider corruption lore no longer line up with pigmen

[formal bridge]

They just need to look and be called something differenr

[hybrid gazelle]

also it not even easter egg what

it not even sercrecty discovery it just a quest

[unique jungle]

imagine if they change the pigmen ravines
like into an entirely different area

that would be crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they would

[paper wyvern]

yeah pigman ravnies needed a rework for a while

[unique jungle]

might be genuinely worse than lr camps lowkey

[hybrid gazelle]

corruption lore rn does not really have place for pigmen to exist

pigmen in the old lore

is a mutated sapient pig

from corruption spike

which is no longer line up with the current direction that corruption is going

because it dont do that

[paper wyvern]

the lore is literally just minecraft pigmen

[unique jungle]

does corruption corrupt less now?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah because back then

nope

it does no corrupt less

they just dont corrupt that way

corruption dont mutate, it just render thing dead and reanimate it

so no mutation

no giving intelligent

if you put pig near corruption spike

it just die and reaimated as 4 legged zombie pig

[unique jungle]

you get undead pig

[hybrid gazelle]

no sapient

yeah

[unique jungle]

so its a necromancer instead of corruptor

[hybrid gazelle]

which is not what pigmen are

[paper wyvern]

Yeah the issue is the lore was created to use pigmen as mobs

Cause early wynn

[unique jungle]

which pigmen do work as mobs

[hybrid gazelle]

we likely we revamp of pigmen later on

[unique jungle]

like zombies

[hybrid gazelle]

but dont know how

so we ahve tyo wait and see

[unique jungle]

and skeletons

[hybrid gazelle]

so as creeper, I dont think they going to survive

nah

zombie and skeleton is too general

zombie and skeleton is too board to be minecraft specific

there is different

[unique jungle]

even slimes i feel like work
very unique

[hybrid gazelle]

Slimes also too board

[unique jungle]

even if slimes are iconic to mc

[hybrid gazelle]

you

youk now that slimes is like

a generic fantasy creature

exist in different media

like terraria

[unique jungle]

duh

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

so like

[unique jungle]

terraria slimes and mc slimes are nothing alike

[paper wyvern]

I hope they keep the creeper quest or at worst demote it to secret discovery

[hybrid gazelle]

there no problem with them because they do not exclusive to wynncraft

like creeper or villager

[unique jungle]

dragons are too

now spiders

[hybrid gazelle]

they are still jelly creature

[unique jungle]

spiders are also relatively iconic

[hybrid gazelle]

giant spiders also nothing new

agazin

[unique jungle]

yeah and pigmen and zombies are basically the same by that logic

[hybrid gazelle]

you miss the point

google pigmen rn

do you see anything other than miencraft

[unique jungle]

LMAO

i wasnt expecting that

[paper wyvern]

Consider that most of wynn came from the days before texture packs, much less the modern model system

[hybrid gazelle]

well fuck

[unique jungle]

i should not have tried "giant spider"

[hybrid gazelle]

Zombie do have minecraft result

but you can seee that ocmpare to pigmen

they are too board to be just exclusively associate with minecraft

[unique jungle]

its worth noting that its also just the base of the mob often
like with slimes

you can use the slime model to make a lot of different things than just generic mc slime

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they arleady doing that

[warm flicker]

hmmm, Zhiraok using time magic to make himself faster and revive himself. I can see that, maybe for his super speed he accelerates his own time to move faster? As for reviving its more straight forward just rewinding the clock to before he dies. Majin seems to be what Amadel wanted to be, someone in control of the cosmos and using cosmic magic, so obvious tie to the crystals there

[unique jungle]

very likely

[hybrid gazelle]

there already unique slime model

the weridest outliner to this

are the mooshroom

IDK why

but they survive the purge osmehow

[unique jungle]

like the ones by detlas?

in the savannah-y area?

lowkey of all the mobs that would get snapped i wish they were the one

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and they got new model

which is weird cause like

Mooshrome is something that seems to exclusively exist in minecraft

like by the name alone

[unique jungle]

fr
like creepers sorta

like people who are pigs is not a crazy idea

people who are cows is not a crazy idea

fungus mushroom cows? weird

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but they just

no longer fit with current corruption direction

even if you take the minecraft ocntext

[azure tangle]

there can be things in wynn that arent corrupted and are still enemies

[unique jungle]

do mooshrooms even relate to corruption

yeah

[azure tangle]

like, a wild cow for example

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but at the same time

[azure tangle]

like, a lions den

[hybrid gazelle]

i rather have early enemies being corrupted

so it not overload the player with too much info

[azure tangle]

like, half the desert mobs

[hybrid gazelle]

like imagine being new player and try to adjust to the world

ayeah ofc desert is like

alter in the game

we tgalking about early game

[unique jungle]

thats not crazy ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

where player try to adjust everything

[azure tangle]

its like 2 feet behind the mooshrooms lol

[unique jungle]

its not like you notice "oh look these enemies are corrupted and these ones arent"

its got a red name you stab it

or shoot it

[azure tangle]

Savannah has no corrupted enemies basically

[hybrid gazelle]

and also this mean we completely discard the corruption part of pigmen

so yeah

HONESTLY

[unique jungle]

what if pigmen revamp into wynn orcs

[hybrid gazelle]

I can see them trying to revamp a lot of thing in wynn mobs

Ehh

youalos have to keep in mind

[unique jungle]

like they are basically the same more or less
camps, brutish, will attack you

[hybrid gazelle]

that wynn province supppose to be low fantasy

if we take info from fruma for granted

the recent direction for mobs in wynn likely will focus on the undea

if they get to remake the mobs roster

I still do think undead are very unexplore in Wynn

imagine if canyon infested with reaniamted fossil LOL

[azure tangle]

leaning on it doesnt mean exclusively

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

anyway I think that would be cool as fuck

[unique jungle]

just like a solid chunk

60%+

[hybrid gazelle]

if ravine just full of reaniamted fossil

I mean that oculd work yeah

wait let me get reference

[unique jungle]

how would this even work

do you stab the bones

[hybrid gazelle]

like these guys

[hybrid gazelle]

there literally reanimated skeleton walking around

[unique jungle]

is each bone reanimated
the entire fossil?

[hybrid gazelle]

I can assure you this is by far the least of your concern

yes

[unique jungle]

what if you chop the fossil in half

does it die if you cut it in half or are there now 2 enemy undead fossils

flip i forgot my laundry

[hybrid gazelle]

probalby yeah that what happen to that on enemies

there literally reanimated skeleton walking around Detlas suburb

I dont think this is a concern

I think Wynn should have reanimated dinosaur fossil

as enemy

[unique jungle]

Now I'm picturing an oil slime

Dinosaur > oil > reanimate

[cedar kernel]

Nooo not my adasaursssss

Don’t turn them into oil!

Is there oil in wynncraft

Is it ever confirmed

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

ofc yes

there gotta be oil that like

normal thing

it just depend if there any civilization that use it

I think Fruma mention to use oil

[wispy maple]

wastelands oil theory

[summer bluff]

Ik that ||the changelings are tar, but those are two different hings||

[distant stump]

HEAVY END FRUMA SPOILER || Do we know on how Tasim is going to be handled moving forward? I'm not a fan of the notion that we're going to make up or something. He almost caused insane amount of deaths and suffering by defending the Queen when she wanted to blow up the dam, as well as literally killing Rex in front of our eyes. It was so funny when he killed a teenager and then 30 seconds after we were meant to feel sorry for him. Idk what the devs were thinking. ||

[paper wyvern]

||rex isnt a teenager||

[limber swan]

you do realize dialogue options are a thing

right?

[teal quarry]

||Also did we not also cause a huge amount of death and suffering in Fort Torann?||

[distant stump]

yeah , alas there was no option to || Fight him and kill him || unfortunately

[limber swan]

damn you are a fucking hater

also rex isn't a teenager dummy

she was a teenager when she ran away from home

[distant stump]

|| He was defending and excusing the crowns doing and horrible treatment of the citizens during the whole story, helped them, almost caused us to lose and killed rex infront of us. Yeah, i dont care for him. The fact he was stricken with grief doesnt excuse none of that||

Yeah my bad i thought they were all teenagers

still, point stands even if she isnt

[limber swan]

||and did you forget that he said he agreed to become a sovereign so he can change things for the better?||

[distant stump]

|| I think anyone with 5 braincells and working eyes couldve seen like halfway through the story that following the queen isnt the solution to make things better. If at least he deserted when Zhiroak did, i would excuse it, he didnt, he fought until the end||

[shut hornet]

||idk if u picked up on it but he was clearly uncomfortable with what the queen was doing during apotheosis and was only going along with it because he didnt have the time to process what was happening||

[limber swan]

||it also seemed like he felt like there was no going back at that point||

[distant stump]

||Yeah, i saw that. I dont think it excuses any of his actions tho. You can be uncomfortable all you want, if youre going to do the actions anyways whats the point||

[cunning quail]

this channel look like the e files

[summer bluff]

facinating that ||zhiraok is now and forever the goat, soosu a goat, gikyo is peakyo and majin is.... well. a star ||

[limber swan]

||bro the whole point of you not killing him is that you actually get to choose this time unlike with Aledar||

[distant stump]

|| I do genuinely think that the fact he remained by Queens side even when she decided to kill all of Auburn is kinda inexcusable, mainly if were now meant to be buddy buddy with him going forward in the story (which i hope wont be the case)||

[distant stump]

|| I didnt get to choose, thats the thing no? ||

[rotund gust]

||I kinda agree but i think we're missing a lot of context on tasim that would clear things up. He knows more than we do about why queen recruited him, and seems to view her as a lesser evil to whatever dark will do with their new power||

[distant stump]

|| i mean sure, i can understand that. He might have thought that to be the case. It even may be proven right in the future, what do I know. But even lesser evil is still evil, and with the Queen the evil was not little. He needs to be held accountable for that. He stood by evil, defended evil, did evil actions. He should not be simply forgiven and be buddy buddy with us I think.||

[grizzled frost]

sweet jesus whole chat is just redacted

[rotund gust]

||i agree with that. i can see forgiving zhiraok and soosu since they turned on the queen despite threat of death, tasim only turned after anathema emerged. bro is a temporary alliance at best||

[limber swan]

||we litterally have the choice to not forgive him tho. the "oh get over yourself" or "live with your mistakes" options ARE NOT the same as forgiveness||

[rotund gust]

||don't we literally get an option to tell him to kill himself or am i misremembering? like a do it yourself option when he tells us to kill him||

[limber swan]

ye we do

[rotund gust]

🔥

[distant stump]

We do and i did that option

alas, it didnt change much

[rotund gust]

||tasims undergoes mewberty and has a magical girl butterfly transformation||

[teal quarry]

||I do wonder which actions of Tasim's you are considering evil, not that I disagree||

[rotund gust]

||killing rex||

[distant stump]

^

[hybrid gazelle]

||well be on the sied of fascist definitely first thing||

[distant stump]

and overall || standing by queens side post when Zhiroak decided to leave ||

|| Defending her while she tried to kill whole Auburn ||

[rotund gust]

yeah, i think thats the big thing. ||Zhiraok turned coat and Tasim stuck by the queen||

[hybrid gazelle]

||he defintiely coping hard on thinking his soverign position would improve fruma society||

||when it fundementally nothing has to do with war of the real min the first place, the problem rooted in the queen||

[distant stump]

|| and i also kinda think that the Queen was obviously a fascist dictator who prosecuted incredible amounts of innocent people I dont believe that Tasim wasnt aware of that fact ||

||we learn it almost immidiately when we enter||

[hybrid gazelle]

||he was aware but he take it as necessery evil as the queen in his eyes is the only mean to end the war||

||he believe whe nthis is all over, he can use his position to improve society of Fruma||

||which is like||

|| AINT THAT GONNA HAPPEN LMAOOO||

[distant stump]

|| cool, he mightve thought that, doesnt change anything, doesnt excuse him or his actions||

|| I think yall need to understand that I understand where Tasims headspace was, alas i think that it doesnt change anything. He did evil horrible actions and shouldnt walk away without consequences||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Tasim seeing Majin about to object his change to improve citizens' life quality by the sheer reason of "too much hassle"||

[hybrid gazelle]

||please read my entire message again||

[distant stump]

|| yeah i know, i wasnt talking specifically to you here ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||as CT said, Tasim action is somethign you can critize him about, but it definitely not meaningless||

||he has his own reason to do those things and the game never try to justify it||

[distant stump]

|| I would argue it is being justified if the game will make us remain friends post this ||

||i suppose well see how the story will go, but yeah if Tasim after all of this gets like a few scorn looks or something max, its bad ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||I mean that literalyl depend on how you answer him LOL||

||there is no reason to kill Tasim, he already give up so there no point||

[distant stump]

|| AKA, i want Tasim to fuck off ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||whatever he is our friend or not I think it's up to your respond||

[distant stump]

|| Well we have killed other sovereigns for less, i think Tasim definitely deserved death arguably ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||for less, what you mean||

||Zhiraok literally try to kill us 2 times which force us to kill him

Giyko also try to kill us

Majin also try to kills us||

||Tasim literally down and give up||

||3 of these soverigns I mention are all killed in the struggle||

||Tasim is not||

[distant stump]

||We killed Zhiraok simply for doing his job and defending the queen twice. Tasim did Queens bidding and defended her, PLUS EVEN WHEN ZHIRAOK DECIDED ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Tasim then tried to kill us and killed rex ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||as I said we killed him in a struggle||

[teal quarry]

||Cool, I agree with most of this though I don't think killing Rex is evil. Mainly because it's not like he just walked over to the hotel and murdered her, they were in a fight and she turned her back for a few seconds, and as an aside it isn't like the player hasn't killed tons of characters.||

[shut hornet]

||Zhiraok immediately betrayed the queen because he had had 21 years to decide that he was the servant of the Auburn people first and not of the Queen. Tasim was newer so he had not yet figured out how he slots into things and the queen didn't give him time to make his decision before dragging him off to help her do something he was actually against. given the time to process the situation, he would probably have turned against her too, when he kills Rex it is a wake up call to him that makes him immediately realize he has been in the wrong and that he has gone too far.||

[distant stump]

|| WEll i think killing rex is evil because he was fighting on the evil side. I would say killling anyone in that sense is evil when youre fighting on a side of a genocidal fascist dictator ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||I mean yeah sure that reasonable||

[shut hornet]

||also keep in mind that certain events in the story had already turned zhiraok a bit against the queen while tasim had been turned a bit more against the player. zhiraok did not like what the queen did to soosu, nor that she forced him to stop trying to take down the player (whom he viewed as a monster who had murdered innocent people in the torann massacre, and whom he felt it was his responsibility to put an end to). meanwhile tasim is inclined against the player because of the aledar situation||

||i dont think its really fair to compare them and say "well because zhiraok was able to betray the queen, that means tasim had no reason not to join him"||

[rotund gust]

my goat Oru still goin strong

[azure tangle]

damn is that what that looks like with no render distance mods

lol

[rotund gust]

yeah lol

im at 12 chunks and have distant horizons turned off

[azure tangle]

💀

[summer bluff]

||zhiraok also had to take care of the roughworks, that might have soured his view of the queen||

[rotund gust]

it looks better with DH on, but wynnvista wasn't working for me so theres random gaps and i can't be bothered to run around and render everything for DH

[distant stump]

|| Okay i pretty much agree with everything being said here, but again my main issue isnt in what Tasim did, as much as whats going to happen with him going forward. I think Tasims actions are understandable from his POV even though i heavily disagree with him. The thing is, I dont think it is acceptable to have Tasim remain as our close ally/friend going forward. There have to be some sort of punishment for him. People have raised the "You can tell him to go kill himself", but as far as I know, any choice you say there will not change anything, he will join you in the end and help you storm the citadel. So there is de facto not any consequence, because the story progresses with him as an ally whatever you choose. I genuinely think that there has to be a choice from the player whether you want to remain Tasim's friends with actual consequences. But, this will probably be incredibly hard to actually do - you would have to program 2 different branches of content going forward. Therefore, there cannot be a player choice. So I think the decision going forward should be that we do not just simply happy go lucky forgive Tasim and only give us choice of being cold to him in choosable dialogue options, which dont impact the story anyways. ||

[regal walrus]

Holy shit lore discussion is just the Epstein files

[shut hornet]

thats fair

[rotund gust]

i feel these are relevant

[hybrid gazelle]

||I dont think the writers would let Tasim go off the hook easily||

||so likely when any future storyline come up this action that Tasim did will cointinue to haunt him||

||as two said about his mark from the queen||

||it still stay with him||

[distant stump]

|| Well i hope so, but I dont have my hopes high just from the fact that there was dialogue options to INSTANTLY forgive and reestablish friendship and EVEN COMFORT Tasim the moment he started doubting the queen after killing Rex. Like that screams to me that the writers are fine with us as the Player letting him off the hook instantly ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||I mean yeah if that how you choose to play the game||

||and no the writers are not like literally character like Sui are not okay with Tasim and tasim did not even try to justify himself, only the fact he just want to help what matter at hand||

||there literally entire scene of Sui ripping into Tasim||

||So yeah writers are well aware of Tasim and his fuck up||

[distant stump]

|| Thats a fair point ||

|| I suppose we'll see, ill have my hopes high ||

|| You know, there is rn the argument that Tasim did what he did in part because of the grief when he discovered we killed A(forgot the rest of the name). But i heard theyre giving us the option in the future to tell Tasim that A(...) is dead, so i wonder why hes gonna lose his shit in that variation. ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||I have theory that there are reason why he did these things||

||but they are theory for now as there are disconnect potentail info that did not shown to us yet||

||like the orc war and stuff that Tasim will be feature in earlier questline||

[hybrid gazelle]

||well he join the queen not out of grief but it more like to him that the only choice if it mean to end the War of the Realm||

||becuase to him, the queen has all the means and resources to end this war||

||and he will offer himself to help her tips the scale||

||this is up to intereptation ofc but in my view, he simply trying to leave his mark on the world||

||or at least find purpose||

||which the queen give him that||

and to be out of spoil

er

since this is a speculation on story like orc war

it likely that Tasim will be involve in it ad it will built up on the reason to ||why he act that way in fruma||

maybe because he realize that being a pawn suck as no matter what you do you cant change anything at least without great cost

maybe he got into arguement with Kymer on the ethic of helping villagers on their war against the worcs in which Kymer brush it off as their hands are tired.

||This could lead Tasim into hating the position of being a pawn and when oppurnity present itself to get him to be more than a pawn and seemingly able to change the world for the better, he took it||

[distant stump]

|| Thats an interesting theory, though i would say that its kind of obvious that the sovereigns are also only pawns of the Queen ||

[torpid parrot]

how did gale arrive in gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

||it is but like they are only second to the queen in hierarchy so to Tasim who is a lowly soldier, thst the highest rank he could attain||

[distant stump]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[summer bluff]

||gikyo with no known mark or place for their mark:||

[rotund gust]

gikyos mark is on their spleen

[summer bluff]

i like to headcanon that its the big fuckass butterfly on their cloak, and no matter what form they take theres always gonna be a butterfly on their back

like fox? butterfly

owl? butterfly mark

[spring kernel]

while they do all have a mark on them two isn't just referring to the physical mark

[summer bluff]

yes yes the ||everlasting headache we've all done solace in pain||

[rapid rampart]

does ||the outcome of the investigation into who lit the wicker man on fire|| affect the quest's rewards like in ||Off the Rails||?

[winged narwhal]

Why are there so many sentient species in Gavel

[summer bluff]

soosu has her marks on her face

[sacred hazel]

i knowww

[summer bluff]

they look like little teeths :]]]]

[formal bridge]

More magic means more species turn sapient

[quaint heron]

has anyone translated ancient Fruman yet?

[digital swan]

yes

[summer bluff]

somewhat

[digital swan]

CT has the translations

perfectly

[quaint heron]

I guess bro

[summer bluff]

#1489836179665981621

[quaint heron]

okay this is perfect

im so glad they didn't go for another 1:1 language system

I love an actual puzzle ty!

[acoustic kindle]

they should honestly implement a quest replay

[rotund gust]

Best way to explain cursed: it’s like elsa from frozen

[verbal jasper]

Why do I feel like we'll get more stuff about Ozoth in the future?

[digital swan]

delusions

[vapid blaze]

is there more lore on whatever this boss from fruma lr is

I assume it's some sort of ancient fox guardian

[uneven basin]

So do I maybe the ancient fruman title gives a clue

[misty horizon]

Hello, could you remind me, i am at The Price of Ingenuity part

||Our characters initially didn't have magic powers, right? Except Sui||

I just don't wanna confuse 💀

[vale sonnet]

just kiss already

[uneven basin]

|| yup ! We teach them how to channel magic except for sui who's cursed ||

[misty horizon]

||I somehow missed that part tho. I do remember when we showed them that every human can do magic||

||did they teach themselves in meantime?||

[uneven basin]

That makes me think || I really like how the cursed are basically twains and how their societies treat these gifts very differently ||

[misty horizon]

||I remember Zeph was struggling with magic, so I was very confused when he was basically doing assassin spells 💀 in The Price of Ingenuity||

[uneven basin]

|| Yup ! It's implied with the scene where you fight with mora, and the dialogue where zeph complains about how others's magic advances faster ||

[misty horizon]

||oh i see. so it was off-quest training?||

[uneven basin]

|| yeaaah it might go by a little fast ||

[misty horizon]

||if that's the thing, then i am fine||

[misty horizon]

||It's just I knew that Zeph and Sui will show their magic, but I didn't expect it from others||

[uneven basin]

|| but yeah just like how you train to get XP for the next level they train the magic you taught them ||

[misty horizon]

||Especially from Yuman?||

||How Yuman can use magic? We didn't tell him the info||

[daring wedge]

How do you get that xp thing top right?

[vapid blaze]

champion rank bomb bell

[uneven basin]

|| Isn't Truman's thing advanced tech ? I might need to reread the quest ||

[misty horizon]

||idk||

[misty horizon]

||OH I REMEMBER I was fighting with Mora in Revelations in Fall||

||Ye that makes sense then||

[full harness]

||Item Upgrader in Kandon Beda is Rex post Apotheosis incident||

[shut mist]

Not just there btw

Detlas too

All major towns outside fruma/se

[opaque remnant]

Does Majin wear heels

[rancid jetty]

whichever builder designed the mist woods lootrun, props to you, I can tell you played the original frogger its giving major frogger vibes.

[misty horizon]

By the way, I wanna talk about this:

||First Corkians escaped before Soosu started ruling. And when they arrived to Corkus, they created "electromagic"||
||However it is implied that Soosu created electricity. And first Corkians escaped before she started ruling?||

||Could it mean that NA and IA might overlap?||

[formal bridge]

||electromagic =/= electricity||

[rustic nexus]

this

[misty horizon]

||"The Corkians, in the lowlands, have forged a truly industrial nation.
After arriving in Corkus, many of the humans quickly discovered something that may have once been kept from them by their past rulers.
The Corkians found that they had the ability to harness a powerful force: Electromagic, the magic of machines."||

||So they just started Industrial Revolution independently from Soosu?||

[rustic nexus]

electromagic to me seems to be a branch of thunder magic, the way plantlife can be seen as a branch of earth magic

which isn't the same as just electricity

[misty horizon]

ye fair, i am wrong in here

[rustic nexus]

kind of, yeah

[misty horizon]

but this especially doesn't make sense

[gleaming apex]

Except it's somehow also able to make extremely advanced robots

[misty horizon]

^

it would make sense if ||they escaped during Soosu ruling||

[gleaming apex]

Like apparently it's just really great at making super advanced robots far ahead of the rest of the world in terms of technology, but not any other super advanced tech

[rustic nexus]

the corkians haven't been as isolated to the rest of the world, especially magic
given the group that left corkus were already smart inventors ||and that part of them probably wasn't wiped by the inquisitors that stormed off to corkus to remove all fruma knowledge from them||
so with their access to magic, it is possible that it shot them quicker into industrialization

plus

[misty horizon]

to be fair this is world where magic also exist

perhaps creation of advanced robots is easier here

the human-golems in Gavel's Province for instance

[atomic hamlet]

|| Zhiraok’s blessing isn’t actually revival, right? That’s fully the necklace I assume||

[rustic nexus]

yes

[atomic hamlet]

||So it’s the built-in Sandevistan||

[rustic nexus]

well...

||the nasin charm is shown to be the thing that revives, though syndra says that it's his blessing that does it????||

||but honestly it's more likely the charm still||

[atomic hamlet]

||Do we have a list of blessings then||

[misty horizon]

I also doubt that entire Corkus Province could be populated only from several people

I guess there were several attempts to escape Fruma

[atomic hamlet]

||Gikyo’s one is their cloning powers?||

[misty horizon]

after the first successful escape

[rustic nexus]

honestly

[misty horizon]

||that would fix this inconsistency||

[rustic nexus]

yeah how the fuck did corkus get so populated in 150 years

😭

[gleaming apex]

I always thought that maybe there were more people|| in the balloon we just didn't see||

[misty horizon]

When oceans were calmed in 900 AP, Corkus Province didn't have robots tho

[rustic nexus]

||gikyo is a changeling and can "clone" regardless, their blessing is being able to inherit the innate powers that the thing they're copying has, which is how they can use rex's skills with a bow or mora's magic||

[misty horizon]

so in age of corruption in Wynn Province

and Decay in Gavel Province

Corkus Province was a heaven for people

[atomic hamlet]

||Interesting||

[misty horizon]

perhaps a lot of migration happened

[atomic hamlet]

||That’s a pretty weird one though||

[rustic nexus]

yeahhh

[atomic hamlet]

||Is there some sort of arbitrary magical rule preventing them from just turning into Saphanis||

[rustic nexus]

then why aren't there villagers

gameplay merchants don't count

[rustic nexus]

||...well for one thing I don't think gikyo knows about saphanis||

[misty horizon]

maybe they are racist or something

💀

[rustic nexus]

THE OTHER IST

NATIONALIST

[atomic hamlet]

||But in theory||

[rustic nexus]

I have no fucking clue lmfao

probably not???

[atomic hamlet]

||Send Gikyo into Dern, have them copy Saphanis or Orphion or whatever, literally kill them, easy win||

[rustic nexus]

||since the blessings are a part of anathema's powers, and anathema is less powerful than both orphion or saphanis||

[gleaming apex]

||Gikyo secretly strongest being in existence but they're just stoopid||

[misty horizon]

Mixed Feelings quest exist for this reason

"There are still separatist groups, who don't want either the warring humans of Wynn or the greedy villagers of Gavel to their nation, with many of them running free."

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[atomic hamlet]

||Well perhaps they could turn into a second Anathema||

[shut mist]

||how do we know we actually killed gikyo and not some random strong changeling||

[misty horizon]

but yeah, my headcanon is that|| after furst successful escape from Fruma, many others also tried to escape||

[blissful moon]

aren't changelings a whole other thing

[rustic nexus]

no

[gleaming apex]

||Infinite power glitch. Problem Beasts? ||

[rustic nexus]

||majin and the queen literally say we killed gikyo||

[blissful moon]

what are they then

[shut mist]

Fair enough

[rustic nexus]

wdym

[blissful moon]

also looking at this channel reminds me of the epstein files

[rustic nexus]

changelings are changelings

[blissful moon]

where do they come from

[rustic nexus]

the wastelands

[blissful moon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[rustic nexus]

the "tar" pits that we can vaguely see

[blissful moon]

are they native or war related

[rustic nexus]

or some other "wells"

[rustic nexus]

native????? I guess???

definitely not war related

or light

....idk about dark

since uh

[atomic hamlet]

The Dawn and the Shade never tried this simple trick

[rustic nexus]

obsessors...

[atomic hamlet]

I think it’s kind of a silly ability though

[rustic nexus]

actually

[gleaming apex]

I think they're just some sort of primordial goop stuff, especially if you read that one book about project whatever

[rustic nexus]

do y'all think that obsessors are just changelings that have been affected by the shade's influence

[rustic nexus]

project hallowground my beloathed

[atomic hamlet]

It’s basically a Harry Potter spell in the sense that it actually has ridiculous versatility but isn’t used to its full extent

[gleaming apex]

I am still curious about wtf is in the cave system that it had to be sealed off forever

[rustic nexus]

my idea is some cosmic bullshit

there has to be a reason sohso is involved in this

"an outside researcher is studying a similar madness"

😭

sohso relevance

[atomic hamlet]

Sohso has to be in Deraj right

If they’re just not relevant

[rustic nexus]

deraj or the hallowground facility or just. ANYWHERE in wastelands

[atomic hamlet]

Is the hallowground facility stated to be different from Deraj

[rustic nexus]

deraj is the prison

the hallowground facility is for the changelings

[atomic hamlet]

I was under the impression that Deraj was a multi-purpose prison+mad science lab at once

[rustic nexus]

nah

deraj is specifically the gravity's monolith prison

I can't believe Oru has the chestplate Gravity with the major ID +Magnet

[atomic hamlet]

A while back (after Zhiraok/Soosu/Gikyo were revealed) I made this prediction on the rest of them

[atomic hamlet]

From top to bottom now

• Majin
• Two
• Oru
• A lot of them actually

[rustic nexus]

we don't even know ANYTHING about Oru besides he is quick to fall asleep

LMFAO

[atomic hamlet]

Didn’t someone say he was really evil and scary

[gleaming apex]

I actually totally predicted part of the twist with ||Bak'al||

[atomic hamlet]

And has that surveillance/compliance system

[rustic nexus]

I mean

he's also the prison's warden

in the penitence district

no way oru is sunshine and rainbows

plus he's been the wastelands sovereign for like what, 496 years?

I need to consult the graph hold on

yea, fuck 😭

[gleaming apex]

I was literally saying that he ||worked for the beasts of war and darkness at once, and I was kinda right in that he worked under war and then dark||

[rustic nexus]

||the beef between anathema and bak'al is GENERATIONAL if she gladly asks us to kill him for her||

[atomic hamlet]

||When your toxic ex is now working for your abusive estranged parent||

[gleaming apex]

I'm just saying, part of my prior theory is that ||Bak'al is working for Saphanis to betray them later, and that still is a possibility||

[rustic nexus]

I doubt that

[atomic hamlet]

||I could see Ba’kal easily being the scheming disloyal vizier type but at the same time that would be so tropey||

||But at the same time what else would I be expecting anyways||

[crude zealot]

why did we kill the queen? are we stupid

[gleaming apex]

No we're just giga based

[atomic hamlet]

In terms of thematic parallels we are kind of just the queen but better

[crude zealot]

it's like irl leftists

[rustic nexus]

||1- revenge, 2- closing the rift to the war realm, 3- we killin ALL the realm beasts to save the world so might as well start with the weakest||

[crude zealot]

overthrow the government with no backup plan

[rustic nexus]

wdym no backup plan

zhiraok is RIGHT THERE

[atomic hamlet]

Well like IRL leftists the Queen and us also have similar overall goals but call each other fascists for attempting them

[rustic nexus]

don't mind the fact that ||he literally killed himself from exhaustion||

[crude zealot]

real

[atomic hamlet]

Which, however, is completely true arguably

[gleaming apex]

We know we're just better, so there's no need for ||Her stupid plan and her tyrannical rule||

[rustic nexus]

yes to the latter, no to the former, ||we need that plan and it doesn't really rely on her being alive for it||

[crude zealot]

I quite liked her plan

[rustic nexus]

it's a pretty solid plan

[slim belfry]

reminder that ||if the queen failed she planned to turn the entire world over to corruption||

[atomic hamlet]

||We’re definitely still doing the whole ‘strike team into Dern to bring down Saphanis||

[rustic nexus]

the execution of the plan's first steps were a bit... odd

tasim agrees as much at least

[atomic hamlet]

The plan doesn’t really need a tyrannical regime

[rancid jetty]

||sui must be really fat like that guy believed that we were looking for the bakery oh my word||

[rustic nexus]

||okay but this is like a MAD situation, if things got REALLY REALLY REALLY CATASTROPHICALLY bad||

[rustic nexus]

||bro was a changeling, that's why he believed it||

[slim belfry]

I don't think the queen would think the same this way

[atomic hamlet]

Speaking of, what do we think the Dern cast will be

[rustic nexus]

THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT SHE TELLS US

??????????

[slim belfry]

oh

I guess i forgot about the extent

[atomic hamlet]

I think Fruma foreshadows a very specific set of characters for this

[rustic nexus]

us, tasim, two

inside of dern, lari, bob, bak'al

and ofc

||saphanis||

[warm flicker]

who knows maybe a special appearance from lari (with better writing) and bob

[atomic hamlet]

||Sui as well probably||

[drifting aurora]

i think the truth of it is that ||the industrial revolution did not begin with soosu. those advancements were in the process of happening, but it was soosu who created that rapid explosion of technological advancement||

[gleaming apex]

||This is related to my theory that the Beasts wouldn't kill literally everybody if they won, and that they actually need life to exist for some reason||

[hybrid gazelle]

||you forgot about zeph||

||he got that darkness inside him||

[rustic nexus]

||NO WAY HE'S ABANDONING YUMAN TO FIGHT DERN||

[drifting aurora]

hater

[slim belfry]

what does that even mean 😭

[rustic nexus]

beloathed in an endearing way

[atomic hamlet]

My only slight issue with how there’s practically the equivalent of a superhero team being narratively built for Dern is that it’s mostly Fruman characters

[slim belfry]

ah right

[atomic hamlet]

It probably goes to show how little of a real storyline we have outside of it

[warm flicker]

hell yeah strike force into dern, gonna be awesome

[slim belfry]

gosh am I already forgetting fruma stuff

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/lone-wolf-alpha-male-core-sigma-gif-8056012431447160664

[drifting aurora]

Unfortunately the 3 other people related to dern in any way are um. well. uhhhhh yknow

[south void]

i think it acc makes sense: humans are from fruma (so wynn is basically frumans anyway) and gavellians (villagers) are less prone to that kind of action and influenced by the light

[atomic hamlet]

Admittedly the current candidates for it are really interesting

[rustic nexus]

oh my god I had to revisit my recording of my reaction to overture to despair for this AND I FUCKING LOST IT AT THIS LINE DUDE

😭

[gleaming apex]

He's gonna start wearing jnco jeans and listening to 9 block nails

[atomic hamlet]

I can’t wait for Two to serve as our guy in the chair equivalent providing operational intelligence as we make our way in

[drifting aurora]

zeph noooooo dont embrace the darkness.......

[slim belfry]

true?

[atomic hamlet]

And Bob to most likely be the Aragorn-esque ranger-type with survival experience

[gleaming apex]

Darkness. Not even once

[warm flicker]

mmm bob with modern character-writing qualities, cant wait to see that

yall think dern expansion is coming this century or the next

[gleaming apex]

Bob is actually so strong he keeps beating up ||Saphanis but just doesn't know how to kill them||

[rustic nexus]

postraid zeph interaction, you just find him singing
S-SO WHAT IF... IF YOU CAN SEE!! THE D-DA-DARKEST S...SIDE OF ME!!!
NO ONE W-W-WOULD... WOULD CHANGE THIS A-ANIMAL I H-HAVE... HAVE BECOME!!!

[drifting aurora]

well its gotta come this century

[gleaming apex]

Dern 2033!

[warm flicker]

ambitious

[drifting aurora]

i dont even want to think about dern rn tbh

[rustic nexus]

that's fair

there's a lot in fruma still to do likely

[warm flicker]

think instead about the alternative dialogue for tasim that i very much want to read please i dont want to betray tasim like that

[hybrid gazelle]

Don’t worry Lexnt, we probably somehow invent immortality by then

We can sacrifice wynncord people to keep salted and rest of ct alive

[drifting aurora]

hmmm

[warm flicker]

anyway time to go see if i can tell tasim aledar's dead yet

[drifting aurora]

you cant

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[gleaming apex]

Also can we get a cutscene of all the sovereigns doing a Thriller-esqe dance choreography

[drifting aurora]

no

[gleaming apex]

You heartless monster

How could you

It would make a frumillion people play the game

[atomic hamlet]

Anyways my bets are on:

Bob: grizzled veteran, most likely the resident worldbuilding infodumper
Lari: specialist that lets us take care of Orphion
Sui: living Chekhov’s Gun with her weave-sensing properties, likely tied into the Resonance Weaver
Two: the brains, doesn’t do much fighting but sends us around on objectives
Tasim: the muscle? emotional support? doomed sacrifice? all of those?

Tasim’s either dead or going to be effectively Samwise Gamgee

[misty horizon]

||There is a secret discovery in Roughworks that shows the district before Soosu inventions tho||

||It was an agriculture district, and people were working manually||

[gleaming apex]

Yeah but maybe it was all theoretically being worked on somewhere else and she made uses for it there

[misty horizon]

Hmm, like she didn't created something new, but rather made it more simple?

to use for general population?

[gleaming apex]

Remember she was reading books that would already get someone pretty close to that sort of tech, so they were at least close already

She just caused it to advance a lot more rapidly than it would've I think

[misty horizon]

Hmm that actually makes sense yeah

||But invention of electricity is still her doing||

[gleaming apex]

Yeah

[drifting aurora]

correct

[misty horizon]

Maybe they had machines before it?

||IIrc in one of her notes, she wrote that existing engines have low efficiency, and she proposed a new one, that uses electricity||

[atomic hamlet]

Lex does CT have an explanation for how Corkus grew so quickly

Surely the population isn’t genetically close to the Hapsburgs isn’t it

[gleaming apex]

Although wouldn't that condense the timeline a lot? ||Corkians have to leave before electricity invented, because they didn't know about it, but then Soosu presumably becomes sovereign and invents electricity before Fruma finds out the secret of electromagic, because otherwise it wouldn't be such a revolutionary idea?||

[drifting aurora]

i think you kinda have to assume theres a lot more people who left than visualized in the cutscene

[drifting aurora]

the timeline already is convinced

the corkians leave 150 yrs ago. soosu ascends 120 yrs ago

[atomic hamlet]

Still feels weird that a population can leave on a single balloon

Usually a single isolated IRL tribe devolves into inbreeding within a few generations

[misty horizon]

does Fruma know about electromagic?

[atomic hamlet]

Noble families were pretty large and instantly became inbred

[misty horizon]

I don't think they know a lot of information regarding the outside world

[drifting aurora]

pretend there are more balloons idk

[gleaming apex]

I mean considering their ||massive worldwide spy network I would think so||

[misty horizon]

i am at Roughworks quest rn, that's not a late spoiler?

[atomic hamlet]

The Queen seeing a massive cloud of balloons suddenly appear over the Roughworks

[misty horizon]

maybe when people saw one balloon, more tried to escape

[atomic hamlet]

I think early Corkus may have been similar to IRL escaped slave communities in Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroons)

[warm flicker]

lmao do NOT ask the Corkians how they maintained their population between arriving on Corkus and the oceans allowing for travel

[warm flicker]

clown car balloon, could hold 1000 people no problem

[winged narwhal]

what exactly are the angels in the sky islands?

[gleaming apex]

Annoying

But seriously, I don't think we have anything on them. They're kinda just there

[hasty spoke]

Old. Old and aperently important to darness v. light element from SE quest, also old. Basically, whatever they are right now they won't be forever

[azure tangle]

probably will be retconned into like Harpies or something

[feral lynx]

i wonder what would the world be like if we dont exist

[cedar kernel]

Uhh

[hasty beacon]

Well gavel would be obliterated first and foremost

[cedar kernel]

For everything either things stay on their route before the quests involved or someone else does the same thing

Gavel would be highly troubled yeah

Uhhh wynexc would be successful ig

The CotL would be shattered

Fruma

Do I even have to say anything about fruma

[trim ferry]

in the ||essemble of hope|| are the ||which wroughts flesh||
a insta kill?

[gleaming apex]

Amadel would totally solo everyone Amadel sweep

[cedar kernel]

It’s possible that the queen may have sent their own expeditions if we didn’t fix gavel

[trim ferry]

i wanna fight them but i dont think itll let me

[azure tangle]

Tasim wouldnt have been a sovereign

would have died in the expanse

[hasty beacon]

Fruma dgaf about gavel

[gleaming apex]

The power of a default wither model would totally beat everyone else

[azure tangle]

this just is not true

[low hound]

who is qira

[cedar kernel]

Maybe idk tasim sweep tho

Qira vs queen who wins

[hasty beacon]

Is it something to do with the light that i havent seen yet because i havent completed the story

[azure tangle]

let me know when you have done Overture To Despair

[hasty beacon]

WE are putting qira on fraud watch

[gleaming apex]

Why are you here then this place is constant massive spoilers for literally everything

[cedar kernel]

World events? Royal stackhawk solos all

[hasty beacon]

They censor it most of the time dont question my decisions

[cedar kernel]

Screw that royal stackhawk

Screw stackpeak

Assss world event

[gleaming apex]

Stackhawks were way overtuned

[hasty beacon]

Fuck them birds

[cedar kernel]

Flying enemies should not do more than 15k a hit tbh

[neat oriole]

15k dmg

anyways like yeah i hate the stackpeak birds

mfs basically one shot me

[gleaming apex]

They were chunking my HP in morph, I was losing like 1/3 of my health per hit

[cedar kernel]

It’s so funny that the raid isn’t even that much harder than the rest of the province

[neat oriole]

i think that flying enemies shouldn't do more than 3k a hit (and even then that's quite a bit)

[cedar kernel]

I guess when gavel overhaul comes it will be buffed

[gleaming apex]

The hawks wouldn't be so bad if they didn't spawn in massive numbers all the time

[cedar kernel]

Yeah…

[gleaming apex]

Lore reason the hawks are so OP?

[cedar kernel]

I think my wyvern outruns them at the least so getting there is easy

[azure tangle]

the lore reason is Tealy hates you specifically

[cedar kernel]

Something something they’re from mistwoods/highlands idk

[gleaming apex]

Actually I just remembered this lol

[cedar kernel]

I wonder how much my wyvern mount would sell for

Probably multiple stx

[gleaming apex]

I think the gathering post literally says that Zhiraok has to gather eggs himself because of how hard it is

Sovereign tier hawks

[cedar kernel]

Lmfao

I should be saving the ones I get from the WE to eventually turn in to the post

[full harness]

Who wins in a straight up fight? ||Sovereign Tasim|| or Lari

||they both scions||

[azure tangle]

||all of the soverigns are||

[full harness]

I know

[azure tangle]

||prob Tasim||

[full harness]

I was just relating the two

[split night]

i need kelp ||where is the tallest tree in aldwell, im trying to find it||

[azure tangle]

we clear both so doesnt matter

[full harness]

||we don’t clear tasim tho, rex says this isn’t going anywhere and surprises him with a bomb arrow while he toys with her arrows, then he lunges rex and switches sides when queen loses||

[azure tangle]

||bec we dont want to kill him after Aledar||

[gleaming apex]

Yeah because he knew he was next and didn't want to catch these hands

[cedar kernel]

If you’re using wynntils it’s where it says the bank

Otherwise it’s the scroll merchant tree

[full harness]

||I mean we were basically 2 on 1 ing him and rex said it wasn’t going anywhere||

[azure tangle]

||we're holding back||

[cedar kernel]

||goku is coming for you||

[full harness]

||I wasn’t, he caught these hands||

[azure tangle]

lmao true

[split night]

okay peak

[cedar kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154329426889285722/1326012402508234772/IM_COMING_OVER.gif

[hybrid gazelle]

Queen in a fight is the matter of ||Can you survive if you somehow did manage to break her shell||

[full harness]

||I wonder if the queen gave tasim a stronger blessing for his mission, or where he fits in the sovereign hierarchy ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||because onward, your ass getting beaten if you manage to break her shell 😭||

[cedar kernel]

||people have already soloed wtp lmao||

[full harness]

I did it blind with my nose

[gleaming apex]

Qira according to Yansur wins, qira in reality loses

[cedar kernel]

Ok guys favorite stage of wtp?

||it’s gotta be stage 3 right?||

||no way it isn’t||

[gleaming apex]

The part with the war and the torn and the palace

[cedar kernel]

Takashtel

I need to figure out Takashtel so I can start writing in it here

[full harness]

Day 50 of being a dr. Picard hater

||Like bro is such a wuss||

[cedar kernel]

Fruma has only been out for like 1 week have you been hating him since beta or smth

[full harness]

Since beta

[gleaming apex]

Wait who was he again?

[full harness]

||the baby who wouldn’t fight||

[azure tangle]

Recover the Past guy

[full harness]

If you recover his past, you find out he was on espren island

[gleaming apex]

What? Is he mentioned somewhere in Fruma?

I don't recall this

[full harness]

Bro when is Slykaar’s Realm of Slime update dropping? Where we meet the Slime Beast after beating his champion

[gleaming apex]

He got slimed

[split night]

||okay im dumbfounded but lik,e you've done the quest right? which one of them is the impostor, they all seem believable||

[shut hornet]

actually saying tallest tree in aldwell is redundant

canonically, all the trees in aldwell are the same tree

so erm... cringe quest dialogue !!

[full harness]

||the dude with the C name, he was in the bathroom and crawled thru vents ||

[cedar kernel]

||… that’s the point.||

[split night]

what the hell okay

[cedar kernel]

||right?||

No they’re talking about the ||other murder mystery||

[cedar kernel]

It’s not ||the c guy, it’s the other murder mystery quest which was C||

[full harness]

Oh

Rip

[cedar kernel]

Yeah the point of that quest to me is that ||it’s truly an impossible choice to make||

[split night]

so no one is the changeling and we have to sacrifise one of them

woaw, what moral value do i gain from this quest

[cedar kernel]

||you can keep searching for more evidence ig||

[split night]

I've search for all of them

there's none left, it's time to choose who 😭

[cedar kernel]

Well… there || could be something you still somehow missed, or maybe someone?||

Something to do with ||people up top||

[split night]

I already did that

[cedar kernel]

Ah

[split night]

like literally everything

im just gonna pick the guy in the middle

[cedar kernel]

So I’ll break something to you: ||if you pick “none of them, I sincerely think none of them” then all of them are killed||

[full harness]

|| * Dr. Picard: Ah, I do — I am not participating in the tournament. I had been told to expect some alternative today.

• Sovereign Majin: Oh, yes... you. What did you say you were again, a... researcher?
• Sovereign Majin: Ahahaha! Oh, and they selected you as one of your province's greatest? Don't make me laugh! Ahahahahaha!||

The one time I liked Majin

[cedar kernel]

I hate majin so much

[split night]

yeah im sacrificing the guy

[cedar kernel]

Especially since like…

…

Yknow that one secret discovery?

The ||notice board one||

Guy really cares about nothing other than what others think about him

[split night]

should i just do this for the sake of my character being a really good detective

[cedar kernel]

The quest gives the same rewards regardless of what you do so take that as you will

[split night]

evil ass quest

[full harness]

Are paladin and lightbender the only two orphion coated archetypes?

We have fallen which is corruption based

Why no darkness themed archetype?

[azure tangle]

Lex are the inquisitors still supposed to spawn?

[split night]

Im pretty sure bolt is Orphion coated too

I mean a lot of the ultimate is pretty light themed

[paper wyvern]

The fact that shadestepper isn't is a crime

[full harness]

That would be sick

Would just take some renaming/retexturing

[chilly peak]

||is fruma queen immortal or what, i just finished echoes of change||

[shut mist]

||no||

[chilly peak]

||ok||

[shut mist]

||its just everyone is outmatched||

[neat oriole]

||🤔||

[frozen turtle]

did || Gikyo get a blessing or was the queen like racist||

[hybrid gazelle]

||they have been blessed yes||

[hybrid gazelle]

||you will find out later||

[neat oriole]

||their blesing was copying powers||

[hybrid gazelle]

Their

[frozen turtle]

where was that stated i kinda assumed

[neat oriole]

mb 😔