📚lore_discussion

[regal spire]

I’m not even joking when I say this: you literally got your answer when you click the “look within yourself” option in Apotheosis. A black screen, reflecting your face back at it

[formal bridge]

Your responses made me feel you wanted it to not be even hinted at

[regal spire]

There isn’t anything about us in game because we are not a concept in game

It’s why we are so potentially powerful

[tough axle]

Exactly

We are an anomaly

We are Charlie Kirk

We carry the flame

[slim belfry]

PFFFFT

[drifting aurora]

and what, then, of the melody

[paper wyvern]

well we were in fruma

[dim plover]

Which is why Anathema’s line about us having something hidden she didn’t see before puzzled me

I thought our schtick is that we are supposed to be empty

[tough axle]

Any documents on us?

from before we go back?

[slim belfry]

I've been thinking about that for a while

[regal spire]

She realized what exactly she saw

[formal bridge]

this is my main sticking point

[drifting aurora]

go reread the draw from the bottomless well option

[slim belfry]

along with the feelings of loss anger etc

[regal spire]

Me, picking my nose

[dim plover]

What’s the “familiar spark”

[paper wyvern]

interacting with the comatose guy in the train says that it is familiar so we did at leas show up in the fruman walls

[formal bridge]

I want the story to at least have

[dim plover]

The what

[formal bridge]

something to do with it

[drifting aurora]

in apotheosis

[regal spire]

My familiarity with MC

[burnt robin]

there was another option

[dim plover]

Oh that

[burnt robin]

in apotheosis

it was either use ur weapon

[dim plover]

Can someone paste it in here

[burnt robin]

or take from the bottomless well

[formal bridge]

let it question or leave it up to interpretation or not answer definitively, just have it be consistent that there is something special

[slim belfry]

there's still a soul tho

[tough axle]

Guys redo point of no return

[dim plover]

She saw a familiar spark…
Plot Armor

[tough axle]

I feel like that is central to this

[burnt robin]

. . .
For a moment, you feel nothing.
Is this your reflection? Emptiness?
It is. But it is also not. There was something here, once - you have caught glimpses of it before... but no longer.
And yet, you seem hardly affected by the lack...
It is still with you, you think. Taken and buried, buried deep, deep down, where you would never find it again.
Is this the source of your strength?
Whatever it was... you have not yet lost it. Something remains, something is hidden within that bottomless well... you only need to reach it.
Reach out.
A strand. Brittle, fraying, but... it is there. Colourless, transparent... but it. Is. There.
Pull on it.
A sudden rush of colour and light and energy and life, illuminating the unending emptiness - you can see now the extent, the sheer magnitude of this hole within your self-
You feel a deep, deep loss. Pain, anger, desperation, regret - and not all of it your own. A weight of something you cannot comprehend, cannot know.
The last thing you feel in this cavernous space is a quiet, mourning melody. You have never heard it before. But your soul knows it well.
The screen is no longer black.
You regain awareness. You look into your hand, at the charm gripped tight. It is charged.
Holding it, the sensation is unlike anything you have ever felt before. Energizing glow, soil and steel, raging ocean, and... something else. A melody, now known.

[slim belfry]

^

[burnt robin]

thats the dialogue

[tough axle]

The anger is from the wardrobe wonders update btw

From the dialogue

[drifting aurora]

i kinda like this style of internal dialogue. i should do it more often

[burnt robin]

i like the lines from sovereign two

mixed in

[drifting aurora]

yes!

[tough axle]

Let me find the sovereign two slander post

[paper wyvern]

Hello, <Playername>.
I am you.
You are me.
We are one.
Not here, though.
The Obelisk offers us different paths.
It offers to protect me, while leaving you in reality.
If you want to return as one, you must heed my words.
I may not be able to speak in the physical realm...
But your actions... Your deeds... They shape me, hurt me, heal me.
Choose our path wisely.

[drifting aurora]

they have a special text effect aswell

[hybrid gazelle]

NGL queen's dialogue still stuck wit hme

I wonder if she felt related to fruman recruits consider like her they are blank slate shaped by their experience and what they are surrounded with beyond the wall

[tough axle]

Out of all the quest lines corkus has probably the worst, fruma the best

[paper wyvern]

Realm of light is right there

wdym corkus is bad

[hybrid gazelle]

Corkus jsut average

[tough axle]

It’s so ass

[hybrid gazelle]

it not bad

but not good

[drifting aurora]

envoy 1 and 2 are rough

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL just try to be something but it failed

[drifting aurora]

tff are solid

[burnt acorn]

anybody found that light and shadow secret in the mistwoods?

[tough axle]

the envoy quests are so ass

realm of light became good with its inclusion of themes and such

[drifting aurora]

first real quests to really use wynnscript

[burnt robin]

ROL is just uhhh

kind of

[tough axle]

Wynn excavation was fucking peak and I will not hear any slander

[paper wyvern]

envoy definitely was hurt by the abandoning of dungeons

[burnt robin]

a l l

o v e r

t h e

p l a c e

[paper wyvern]

I dont think wynnex's overall plot needs to be changed but it really needs to be brought to modern standards

[formal bridge]

ROL suffers from being a dialogue heavy quest with lari as a focal character who is very polarizing

[paper wyvern]

half the npcs are still pigmen

[tough axle]

Honestly I hate the new puzzle system but maybe it’s because it’s laggy

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL at very least have the writers trying something

[paper wyvern]

the builds are very 2014 blockvommit

[burnt robin]

i love the switch to using models for puzzles

[formal bridge]

I enjoy the quests cause I find her a fascinating and unique take on a pacifistic character

[hybrid gazelle]

the envoy just feel mediocore

[formal bridge]

but then we have the 52 message lore dump

[hybrid gazelle]

NOTICE HOW NOBODY TRY TO REMAKE CORKUS QUEST

[burnt robin]

its a lot more malleable

[hybrid gazelle]

Compare to ROL

[tough axle]

The mail system in the mjssing piece is horrible

[burnt robin]

but then again

its awful when ur lagging

[hybrid gazelle]

I think TFF is solid FOR its region

but I think it can be better if entire corkus get remake

[burnt robin]

with laggy servers from all the oldgens and newgens flooding in

[paper wyvern]

yeah model based puzzles are so much better if you arent lagging but so much worse when you are

[hybrid gazelle]

like i Have some issue with TFF like

[burnt robin]

its hell on earth to try any of these puzzles

[tough axle]

Anyways Wynn ex deserves no slander other than needing to be updated to current game models

[hybrid gazelle]

why is corkus castle using mech??

I though those are illegalize 😭

[paper wyvern]

yeah a direct contradiction from desperate metal

[tough axle]

Also can I be so real

[hybrid gazelle]

also having mech being usable by corkian just felt boring??

[tough axle]

The architecture of corkus is ASS

[hybrid gazelle]

lioke IDk I expect some

power suit

or manned mech

[tough axle]

Personal opinion if mine

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK I think that such more intresting concept

[formal bridge]

I assume that for some reason mech for corkians means anything with AI? which is a weird lingual thing which should definitely be changed

[hybrid gazelle]

where corkian despite their advancement now relying on manually control mech

[paper wyvern]

yeah and [power suit is literally a disguise option in tff

[burnt robin]

ok uve gone too far

[formal bridge]

just call them AI, or unmanned, or independent

[burnt robin]

corkus architecture is

PEAK

[tough axle]

It’s brick and cobblestone that is carried by the textureoack

[paper wyvern]

corkus gives a really good steampunk vibe

[burnt robin]

like i love the steampunk feel of all of it combined with more medieval elements sometimes

[burnt robin]

ok?

[hybrid gazelle]

all I can say that we could have metal gear in corkus

[tough axle]

It’s personal opinion

[tough axle]

This is true

[burnt robin]

you gotta at least have good justification

💀

[formal bridge]

yeah corkus also kinda suffers from early mob design at that note

[tough axle]

I have good justification the block choices are basic and not diverse

[burnt robin]

something being an opinion doesnt exclude it from being criticize

[hybrid gazelle]

what CT going to throw at us the moment Corkus reboot update is out

[formal bridge]

So many enemies are just "player model with unique texture that throws stuff at you"

[tough axle]

It’s aesthetically displeasing and there is not color depth

[hybrid gazelle]

ALSO REMINDER

[formal bridge]

there is a lot of that elsewhere but it's egregious in corkus which is supposed to be super scifi

but all the mechs are just various shades of human

[hybrid gazelle]

THEY DROP THE ENTIRE PATRIOT PLOT FOR FUCKING FALLEN FACOTRY 😭

[tough axle]

Anyways replace corkus with bloomi

[tough axle]

Yeahhhhhh

[hybrid gazelle]

WE COULD HAVE STORY ABOUT POLTIICAL TENSION

but NOOOOO

WE GETTING

BEEP BOOP HUMAN ARE EVIL SO KILL THEM

[formal bridge]

they were too racist to live /hj

[tough axle]

Dwarves and doguns was good and is very reflective of certain events happening today

[paper wyvern]

honestly my ideal corkus update would be add like 5 more quests with the background plot of the corkian avo tension

[tough axle]

Needs model updates though

[hybrid gazelle]

DND could have more spice up

but over all it fine just shit ending

[paper wyvern]

and then maybe another quest or 2 dealing with the corkian patriots

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they tune down the ending soo much that it unintresting

[tough axle]

I like how politically reflective it is

[formal bridge]

DnD suffers also from early mob design

I sure do love my giant block sculpture boss

[tough axle]

I like the block sculpture boss I thought that was cool

[hybrid gazelle]

Garaheth with palyer shaped belly

[formal bridge]

plus the awkward break in the tension in case you haven'y quite leveled up lmao

[tough axle]

Honestly I see so many people pushing for less blocky designs for Wynn craft but I actually like the fact that there is still this essence of Minecraft there

[burnt robin]

love how everyone collectively forgot about evil santa quest

the TRUE goat

[paper wyvern]

fruma has that issue

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al when he meet evil santa

ACUTALLY

what is santa power scaling in wynncraft

[gleaming apex]

I'm just saying the sickest thing they could've done with DND is make Garaheth wake up and have the Colossus fight him

[hybrid gazelle]

this is the real question

[paper wyvern]

roughworks and auburn are all like a day apart at minimum

[slim belfry]

scary question

[formal bridge]

Fruma at least writes in more natural breaks for the most part, I can only think that the entrance into the mistwoods as the real disjointed one

[tough axle]

Wouldn’t make too much sense considering both are dogun gods

[formal bridge]

vs DnD having "there's a genocide about to happen right now! go level up!"

[hybrid gazelle]

@drifting aurora acutally question
Wtf was Santa doing while the frumans living under fascist dictatorshipo

[gleaming apex]

Santa is in a weird spot

[tough axle]

Santa was banned from fruma for tax evasion

[paper wyvern]

roughworks -> mistwoods and mistwoods -> highlands are the worst offender

[limber swan]

I mean the rebuilt stuff looks good

[formal bridge]

santa delivering coal to the queen like DC santa delivering to darkseid

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma have the anti-santa defensive system 😭

[gleaming apex]

When did they remove that old santa island?

[hybrid gazelle]

they remove it???

WAHT

[formal bridge]

The island is still there, just pointless

[burnt robin]

craftmas island is still there

[gleaming apex]

I think? I haven't seen it for a bit

[burnt robin]

just not being used rn

[hybrid gazelle]

oh okay

[gleaming apex]

Oh ok

[limber swan]

i don't think they removed it they just removed the quest

[paper wyvern]

its still there

[gleaming apex]

How have I missed it flying around the ocean

[hybrid gazelle]

I rahter not say that outloud

that might be seen as offmap

that can get you ban

[burnt robin]

i mean true

but like its not being used tho D:

its just a useless fun fact

not like its a giant revelation such as "guys i found the ct command blocks!!!!"

[paper wyvern]

its just using f5 to gain a whole new perspective to see a chest room you couldnt see before

[burnt robin]

its moreso of "oh fun thing"

[hybrid gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ApMzCIvo66A
Her Majesty if Santa arrive in Fruma

[gleaming apex]

Also I've been wondering, what's the grave on that one icy floating island near Jofash

[formal bridge]

santa is the realm beast of winter

[burnt robin]

wait is the meaningful holiday quest

still a thing

[paper wyvern]

yes somehow

[burnt robin]

!!!

SO THEY REMOVED MY BOI EVIL SANTA

BUT NOT SANTA

FROM THE LORE

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

santa still canon

[gleaming apex]

Evil Santa was just too strong he broke the story

[hybrid gazelle]

so wtf he doing while fruma under oppression

[formal bridge]

if we're going for actual speculation

I like to imagine guerilla warfare but for present gifting

[hybrid gazelle]

the Light HOuse was made in purpose of shooting santa down

[formal bridge]

I assume the santas are pacifists who wouldn't want to start all out war, but they give food and stuff to the people in need in the roughworks

[shut hornet]

the santas probably dont operate in fruma

[formal bridge]

maybe one of them helped the steel feather out

[hybrid gazelle]

"I want that fat fuck to blow up from the sky" - Her Majesty

[brave rune]

Santa’s get shot down in fruma

[shut hornet]

however i do want to raise an interesting question

[formal bridge]

Or the local santa got merked

[hybrid gazelle]

Wow so they jsut don't care about fruman children okay,,,,

[brave rune]

It’s clearly a no fly zone

[formal bridge]

new player lore theory: we're the santa who got mind wiped and sent to wynn

[shut hornet]

in blizzard detlas, there is a snowglobe with a train in it. how could this be when those are only in fruma

[formal bridge]

(joking if it wasn't obvious)

[brave rune]

Aren’t there train tracks in corkus

[shut hornet]

probably minecart tracks imo

[formal bridge]

Yeah I assume corkians invented it too, they just live in a very mountainous region and don't have the infrastructure built yet

[shut hornet]

id at the very least be against having trains there because its kind of a unique thing for fruma

[exotic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-iliketrains-trains-gif-4905803

[formal bridge]

they also have like, two settlements so they don't need trains that much lmao

[brave rune]

Wow you hate expansion of public transport? Nimby!

[shut hornet]

very much supposed to have this oh shit moment when you go behind the tutorial start and discover they have a whole train station there

[winged narwhal]

How strong are Fruman institutions without the immortal Queen backing them

[paper wyvern]

yeah corkus is big on airships and too mountainous for trains so they really should be kept to fruma

[shut hornet]

corkians can get around on hot air balloons instead

[paper wyvern]

not very

[brave rune]

Yea I kinda screwed myself out of this by talking too much abt lore

I must trabslte

[formal bridge]

Yeah it's like, they reinvented the wheel but they have no need of wheels

[brave rune]

Translate

[formal bridge]

they made a train, but it's just a novelty to them

[winged narwhal]

Even with the two sovereigns that remain there’s a pretty big power vacuum at the top

[formal bridge]

and no other group has bought it for themselves, since the villagers use airships and good luck getting train tracks built through wynn

[winged narwhal]

Wynn really is a backwater isn’t it

[formal bridge]

well with how many corruption spikes are around making so much of it effectively uninhabitable, yeah lmao

[shut hornet]

the talking mushroom remarks that trains would be much better for gavel and they could use the technology well

[paper wyvern]

noooo the region that has been fighting for survival for 1000 years woudlnt be behind the other regions with far less problems

[shut hornet]

(he's right)

[formal bridge]

villagers don't build trains because the airship companies lobbied against it

[gleaming apex]

Like corkians have steampunk robots and the idea of a train is not that hard to come up with at a certain level of technology, but they haven't much use for it

[brave rune]

Corkians thought life was too easy so they created evil robots and racism

[shut hornet]

villagers dont have electricity (ignore that irl steam trains don't run on electricity)

[brave rune]

They have train tracks in karoc

Big ones

[winged narwhal]

One of those guys who are really into public transit should design a train network for Gavel

[paper wyvern]

llevigar does

[shut hornet]

those are def for minecarts

[hybrid gazelle]

what about secrucity camrea

in prison

[formal bridge]

Magic

[hybrid gazelle]

what about the entire golem factory

[brave rune]

Ok but if you have rail infrastrucute

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK man that clearly

[paper wyvern]

although its just llevigar using a corkian generator

[hybrid gazelle]

CCTV camera

[brave rune]

Without passenger locomstivws

[shut hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[hybrid gazelle]

like

that straight upCCTV camera

[brave rune]

That’s a skill issue

[formal bridge]

fleshcrafting is also pretty clearly magic, and is very new

[winged narwhal]

Although the viability of that decreases quite a bit east of the Cinfras area

[winged narwhal]

Its quartz energy

[shut hornet]

i really think those monitors should just be removed

[formal bridge]

so I assume the doctor just stole the factory idea off corkus

[brave rune]

Definitely airship nimbys in gavel

[shut hornet]

it's so stupid that they have them

[winged narwhal]

Don’t worry about it

[brave rune]

Clean quartz

[shut hornet]

villager tech probably unironically runs on magic alone

[brave rune]

Renewable quartz

[hybrid gazelle]

what about entire golem factory that seems to somehow operate by itself with no additional workers

[shut hornet]

possibly purchased electromagic

[brave rune]

Sustainable quartz

[paper wyvern]

yeah the only sign of electrification in gavel is llevigars corkian generator. The rest of the province is run on magic alone most likely

[brave rune]

Gavel warming isn’t real

[winged narwhal]

Is there a coal supply in Gavel?

[hybrid gazelle]

ofc because afterall

The entire province is coal

[shut hornet]

electromagic and electricity are different things

[formal bridge]

it is hilarious to think of quartz as a power source

[shut hornet]

only fruma has electricity (is at least the intention)

[formal bridge]

imagine if llevigar was built out of coal or something

[hybrid gazelle]

corkain for some reason:

[formal bridge]

the power went out in my home in llevigar so I took a chisel to the wall for some extra batteries

[paper wyvern]

whats the difference. Cause I always saw electromagic as basically magical electricity control

[gleaming apex]

This is all tying into the Llevigar mecha transformation

Trust

[hybrid gazelle]

the orc when instead of llevigar exploding
It's transform into giant mech

[winged narwhal]

Electricity is like, electricity that functions as real electricity

[formal bridge]

being able to shoot lightning from your hands doesn't mean you can build power lines

[winged narwhal]

Electromagic is wizard shit with electricity

[shut hornet]

thank the corkus creators for not fucking elaborating on their worldbuilding

[brave rune]

Thank u forum user

What’s his name

[regal spire]

Who are they?

[shut hornet]

we know what electromagic is internally but idk if i can share rn

lex might have said it in the past

[gleaming apex]

Electromagic is "we want advanced technology, but only a few specific things"

[paper wyvern]

its kinda funny the 3 places we see monitors are fallen factory, lexdale prison, and unknown location

[winged narwhal]

Electromagic is the power of the Alternating Current Beast

[formal bridge]

corkus has DC and fruma has AC

[shut hornet]

those are peak examples of 1.20 gms forgetting wynn is a fantasy world and has limitations

[winged narwhal]

Wait what’s unknown location

[brave rune]

Ok tbf if u want to make the cameras make sense

Simply posit a prison industrial context

[formal bridge]

make it wizard orbs

[shut hornet]

palantirs

[formal bridge]

yeah, wizard orbs

[brave rune]

Boom the prison gets 50% of the gavel budget

And they import fancy cork Ian security tech

[formal bridge]

me working as the security guard at lexdale prison

[shut hornet]

unknown location gets to have them because its aliens

[brave rune]

Just like the us government

[paper wyvern]

I mean unknown location is excusable cause the wybels are ailens on a spaceship, but yeah why is the supercomputer a full moniter I would imagine something more primitive, and lexdale we pretend doesnt exist

[brave rune]

And homeland security

[shut hornet]

ok unironically the idea of a security guy who stares into a crystal ball is cool

[formal bridge]

yeah fallen factory also lost points for me cause it's just too much "this is just glados again"

[paper wyvern]

like imo the supercomputer should be a light display at best

[brave rune]

Name him Peter thiel or Sauron

[paper wyvern]

or even a cool steampunk mechanical face

[brave rune]

Your pick

[paper wyvern]

it shouldnt be a fucking computer monitor

[shut hornet]

well it was saruman who did that

not sauron

[brave rune]

I always got karkat vibes

[regal spire]

Man, roughworks gonna make everyone feel sooo silly

[brave rune]

Sauron looked thru the palantiri

[paper wyvern]

like make it look like this

[brave rune]

That’s why saruman went crazy

Sauron was monitoring the situation

[formal bridge]

that's also how they used the palantir to distract sauron too

since they just like, insulted him or something while going with the army to dsitract from the hobbits

Idr the exact details

[regal spire]

Oh, yeah, what are the lore implications of the ingredient “image of a loved one”

[shut hornet]

forbidden prison should def use something like that instead because the idea of some evil fucked up elf (or whatever the warden is supposed to be. i honestly have no clue) going and buying some tech from corkus is really fucking stupid and too comical

[gleaming apex]

Electromagic seems to be really good at making robots and guns and not much else

Somehow

[brave rune]

I think the issue is that it’s too realistic

This is what private security and prisons do all the time with bloated budgets

[shut hornet]

or maybe even dullahan himself

[brave rune]

Also random police departments

[shut hornet]

dullahan just calls up the fucking Corkian Security Vendors and asks for some cameras for his evil prison

[brave rune]

I think that’s entirely realistic

[regal spire]

He’s an innovator, what can we say

[brave rune]

Dullahan must have money

[formal bridge]

in general the prison feels to omuch like just a modern prison

[brave rune]

He lives in a castle

[regal spire]

He robbed a noble

[brave rune]

And we know money talks

[formal bridge]

ventilation shafts, showers, mafia even being there

[regal spire]

Bro prolly had a fat stack of stolen heirlooms and treasures

[gleaming apex]

Also the Mafia lol

[brave rune]

It’s an Italian thing

[formal bridge]

Mafia who exist there and nowhere else in gavel either

[gleaming apex]

Where did they come from

[brave rune]

This is also very realistic

[formal bridge]

maybe some of the prisoners got bored and made it up for fun

[regal spire]

Bro did not play murder mystery

[brave rune]

I am sending this message from New Jersey

[gleaming apex]

Those are criminals, but they didn't seem like the extremely stereotypical mafia we see in the prison

[regal spire]

Also that one passport gavel quest

[regal spire]

They’re all part of the same ring

[formal bridge]

an underground existing =/= mafia

[brave rune]

The reason there’s no mafia elsewhere in gavel is there are no sicilians anywhere else

Ez

I can headcanon all day

[formal bridge]

Make the black market people wear those mafia hats and wear suits and I'll allow it

[brave rune]

You can’t stop me

[formal bridge]

idr the name of the hats

[regal spire]

They’re all in jail, that’s why

[brave rune]

Gavel has anti Italian discrimination

Lets go

[regal spire]

Do they speak Italian

[brave rune]

Idk mafia don’t always

[formal bridge]

the entire mafia are actually isekaied mafia members from the real world

they just so happened to get isekaied directly into the prison

[winged narwhal]

The Mafia is from Corkus and Dullahan is imprisoning them in exchange for the camera tech

[brave rune]

Wait this is good

Corkus Guantanamo

[winged narwhal]

If they do end up replacing villagers what will they replace them with

All the usual fantasy staples are taken

[pulsar lynx]

are they talking about replaceing villagers?

[brave rune]

Gnomes

[winged narwhal]

Psilo is already in the game

[gleaming apex]

Those already exist

[brave rune]

We change those

There’s like 5

[winged narwhal]

I feel like they need to be human sized to make sense

[brave rune]

Big gnome

[pulsar lynx]

Whats wrong with villagers?

[slim belfry]

new species based on humanoids called Gnumans or something

[winged narwhal]

I think most discussion about removing them is because of wynns move away from vanilla mobs

There are very few vanilla mob models left in the game

[brave rune]

Reptilians

[winged narwhal]

Villagers have a charm to them, so I think it’s kinda unlikely

[slim belfry]

still a possibility

[winged narwhal]

Theres issues with Wynn villagers being seen as antisemitic already

So probably a bad idea

[gleaming apex]

Also I know that's not what's intended, but in the post-raid dialogue where you go ||"I beat you we don't need you" and she talks about why it's different with her|| all I could think was ||yeah sure sure you were weakened and it was totally a fluke lmao nice excuses salty much||

[winged narwhal]

I think the most likely outcome is some kind of furry or semi-furry

[brave rune]

You swing a dead cat with the trope of “race obsessed with money that caused the end of the world through greed” and you’re going to hit an anti semitic trope

[formal bridge]

We already have dwarves so that's kinda taken

Elves too

[winged narwhal]

Yeah that plot line as a whole is fraught

[brave rune]

Honestly the easiest way to avoid anti sémitisme without changing the lore important greed aspect would be to make everyone human

Now you have racism!

[winged narwhal]

But the dialogue about big nosed greedy people is … less than ideal

[brave rune]

Tbf we can pin the origins of that on notch

Known white nationalist

[slim belfry]

yeah big nosed is crazy

[brave rune]

If anything wynncraft is only guilty of perpetuating a stereotype

[formal bridge]

The boldest move I can think of would be to make them centaurs

[brave rune]

Not inventing

[formal bridge]

They are from a region covered in plains

[brave rune]

That would be kind of fire

[formal bridge]

Or maybe satyrs of some kind if we don't want to model centaur models all over the place

Somewhat furry without going the full way

[slim belfry]

satyrs could really work yeah

fits gavel but humanoid enough to not feel awkward in wynn

[brave rune]

What if they’re cat people

[formal bridge]

I mean we already have cat people in the canyons

[brave rune]

We get rid of them!

[formal bridge]

I feel full furry would be too far a jump

[brave rune]

There’s always gonna be like

[formal bridge]

Satyrs feel a good middleground to me

[brave rune]

1 cave with the humanoid we want already

We can sacrifice them

[formal bridge]

Are there satyrs? I can't recall any

[brave rune]

How come

[formal bridge]

Same with centaurs

Idk it just feels that way. Vibe wise

[brave rune]

Anti furry vibes over here 😔

Ok how about

[slim belfry]

remember that they'd have to also be common in wynn which is low fantasy themed

[brave rune]

We make them blue

[winged narwhal]

If elves didn't already exist in wynn itd be the obvious answer

[brave rune]

Tbh I really like the olm character design

I feel like wynncraft could cook on something for villager 2.0

[slim belfry]

true

they can also make their own species again

[vocal rapids]

When we first get introduced to orphion, he asks us to make a choice and he wants us to kill the mayor why is that?
Is he trying to potray that sacrificing a few lives to save many is necessary?

[winged narwhal]

why did gavel need to have every fantasy race imaginable

[formal bridge]

He doesn't want another strict pacifist like Lari

[winged narwhal]

i think the most likely option is some sort of alt-human original race

[brave rune]

It was the theme

[vocal rapids]

But still, the mayor wasn't even that bad, he was about to do the right thing

[formal bridge]

Orphion is not a good person lmao

He wants efficiency, not decency

[vocal rapids]

Fair enough

[brave rune]

True! He’s not a person

[vocal rapids]

Makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

"Handful of emeralds"

[vocal rapids]

💀

[winged narwhal]

the elves and dwarves are mostly fine, i get the greenskins, but did we really need the gnomes and hobbits

[gleaming apex]

Also I just remembered this, apparently we actually are canonically hauling around a ton of potions everywhere

[brave rune]

Villager 2.0 are very tall

How about

Tall lanky people

[winged narwhal]

Orphion is the most moral person in the world, as he is the embodiment of the morally good Light.

[brave rune]

To contrast with the dwarves

Gavel will have one primary race of each height

[winged narwhal]

i feel like villager 2.0 kinda need to be 2 blocks tall

[brave rune]

Dwarf 1 bloc
Elf 2 blocks
Village 3 blocks

[winged narwhal]

for not rebuilding maltic, selchar, and all of gavel reasons

[brave rune]

Ok but that would be funny

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/themercslaughing-gif-20727637

[winged narwhal]

i think villagers also need to not be too freaky to continue functioning as they do in the story if they end up being remodeled

[formal bridge]

I like the gnomes and hobbits as fun set dressing for the much more mystical gavel

[formal bridge]

Yeah thats the main reason I doubt my centaur idea would ever work lmao

[winged narwhal]

People would be weirded out if there are three block tall furries everywhere

[formal bridge]

They need to be within a certain bound with how prevalent they are

[digital swan]

orphion is not good but the ideals he pretends to have are honestly not super bad
would you prefer however many thousands of deaths that are guaranteed if cities lack protection

[winged narwhal]

villagers all have magic right

if you wanna get a bit out there with it make them evolved Weirds

[formal bridge]

Eh that's too far, considering weirds are all related to the cosmic meteors

[digital swan]

someone's gonna complain

like think about it for a second

[winged narwhal]

someone link the weird lore post

[winged narwhal]

huh?

[digital swan]

wynncraft is already in hot water with the long nosed greedy merchant species
Now they're evolved from monsters vs 'normal humans'

[winged narwhal]

i mean a big part of the issue is the long nose

[formal bridge]

I think if we're most concerned about stereotypes

And we actually revamp ALL VILLAGERS

Just make them more imperialistic than greedy

Talk more about power and influence than money

[digital swan]

like water imperialistic or land imperialistic

britain or prussia

[formal bridge]

Land since them sailing to wynn is treated as a big deal

[digital swan]

ok I'll support this proposal if they make spiketop the level 9 helmet a high level mythic that goes with crusade sabatons

[winged narwhal]

Are villagers a merchant minority ingame

[digital swan]

because spiketop is.

[formal bridge]

I think it's moreso just the lingering connection to minecraft villagers

On their own, villagers are just a heavily imperialistic society emphasizing conquest and personal glory in the form of wealth

But then you have minecraft villagers which they all look like

Which, after everything about notch has came out... yeaaahhhh

[digital swan]

common notch L

[formal bridge]

I genuinely think changing the models and name is all that's needed

Everything else is fine

[digital swan]

oh and one bow and one sword

[formal bridge]

It'd be a huge undertaking though so I understand if it's not an immediate concern of the dev team

[winged narwhal]

i generally concur

[digital swan]

spiketop, crusade sabatons, dreyse needle gun, and Model 1855 saber

[winged narwhal]

course, them being minecraft villagers is a pretty big part of wynns identity at the moment

[formal bridge]

Which is why it'd be a huge undertaking

[winged narwhal]

i just realized-theyve been moving away from golems, haven't they

[formal bridge]

Like, the ragni king is a villager

Villagers are the default model for the identifier and blacksmith

[gleaming apex]

all they need is a different model imo

[formal bridge]

Every inch of the game would need to be looked over as well to swap over the big nose comments and villagers as a term

It and fruma are like writing 6 new chapters to a book vs editing and removing typos and inconsistencies from the entire thing

Sure, it seems a loss less work on the surface

But it'd be very tedious

[winged narwhal]

i doubt it'll happen anytime soon

[formal bridge]

I can only see it happening with a second gavel reborn style update

[winged narwhal]

given it isn't like a massive issue

[formal bridge]

Otherwise I doubt the dev team would have the creative drive to do it

[winged narwhal]

there isn't major concern in the community

[summer bluff]

We should keep villagers but call them smth else

Harbingers

[snow kiln]

Hey this is the lore channel so y'all might know this but who is Niren from 'The Strong Survive' quest

[digital swan]

no Harbin is in China surely we want something closer to the country

[summer bluff]

Englishgers

[formal bridge]

I don't see the point renaming them unless we also change the models

[summer bluff]

He's A Guy

[formal bridge]

Otherwise they will still just look like villagers

[snow kiln]

Nothing special about him? no associated secret discovery or anything?

[digital swan]

that's not what I meant but ig

[summer bluff]

Romegers

[summer bluff]

Nope he's just in The Strong Survive

[snow kiln]

Wait who was he in the quest?

[digital swan]

NizhnyNovgorodgers or I walk

[snow kiln]

was he one of the recruiters

I only got the name after I completed the quest and I don't remember the names of any of the guards from the quest 😭

[summer bluff]

The guy behind the door

[digital swan]

but being more serious surely like come up with an actual polity in the area and call them that

for example, Gavellians

[snow kiln]

Ohhh, so I was supposed to say Nisen when I knocked?

[formal bridge]

If you get all the diary pages there's a guy named that who talks to you about lore for the quest itself behind the door

[summer bluff]

Gavelites

[digital swan]

also maybe make them also human
just not from Fruma
maybe they're from Bloomi

in any case their education is magic focused so many of them are good at magic

not everyone tho

there is no innate species difference that makes them more magical

[azure tangle]

this is such a non issue tbh

[digital swan]

in fact there is no them to speak of

we are all human

[summer bluff]

That's lame

[formal bridge]

Yeah as I said it'd be a good change to make but not a direly needed one

[azure tangle]

its just a change tbh

[digital swan]

what if we make up for it with their magical skills resulting in the mass production of bows that need no string and simply accelerate a metal ball down a tube with MAGIC, which they call a gun...

[winged narwhal]

guns do not fit gavel

besides rymek luke exists

[digital swan]

and perhaps they had this along with traditional sabers a long time ago when crusade sabatons existed

[summer bluff]

Turning all the villagers into humans would be weird bc then that would mean that humans were in Both Wynn and gavel even with the giant ocean storm

[formal bridge]

I mean I'd prefer not having the image of an antisemetic stereotype used for the most prominent race in the game except for humans

[real galleon]

So what was gikyos actual blessing wasn't he just a changeling?

[digital swan]

and maybe because they needed head protection from these guns they had spiked top helmets

[winged narwhal]

villagers being humans kinda hurts the characters

[formal bridge]

Sure I dont think the villagers in wynn themselves are bad, but you cant deny the minecraft ones absolutely are

[winged narwhal]

we get it you're a kaiserboo

[formal bridge]

And the problem with villagers being more humans just makes everything complicated

[summer bluff]

They were able to copy the power of anyone they changed into

[digital swan]

people existing on both sides of the pacific ocean:

[real galleon]

ah

thank you

[formal bridge]

You'd have to remove the halfbreed from that canyons Quest I forget the name of

And how would you visually distinguish them?

[summer bluff]

Eltom just wouldn't be a thing

[formal bridge]

There's only so much you can do with a minecraft skin, and elves already have pointy ears

[digital swan]

replace it with extreme racism ig

[formal bridge]

The weird thing with that is that like

Skin color is incredibly diverse in humans for wynn

[winged narwhal]

i do think to not fuck the wynn lore they need to be a different species

[summer bluff]

Bat people could MAYBE work especially with the bantisu monks

[digital swan]

bird people!

[formal bridge]

So other than that you're kinda stuck on how to change their aopearance to distinguish from wynn

[digital swan]

wait fuck avos exist

[summer bluff]

No we alr have those

[winged narwhal]

and i doubt devs want to add non-fantasy racism

i asusme some kind of mammal furry is the best furry option

[summer bluff]

Bat people that have decreased ability to fly

[winged narwhal]

lizard people would not really solve the problem

[digital swan]

at this point give it all up and just add catpeople

kill the werecats from cotl

[formal bridge]

Make them deer people

[summer bluff]

We can't give in that easily plus there's like cat people already in the light forest

[winged narwhal]

realistically the best option for minimal lore changes is rubber forehead alien type things

[formal bridge]

Just give all villagers horns

[formal bridge]

Ah, the star trek method

[digital swan]

what about just something utterly unhumanoid at all

[restive yacht]

Ragni horned king:

[summer bluff]

Plussssss the Bat people-human hybrids could look like vampires

[formal bridge]

That'd be sick as hell though

[digital swan]

like idk The Frogs From Light Forest are the Dominant Species In Gavel

[azure tangle]

if you want to steer from the antisemitic...

lol

[digital swan]

They are intelligent frog

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hat-gif-24889203

[formal bridge]

Deer horns aren't nearly as antisemetic as minecraft villagers

[digital swan]

https://tenor.com/view/backflip-frog-gif-6186268304796348912

[azure tangle]

didnt read deer

just saw horns lol

[formal bridge]

Even horns on their own isnt nearly as bad

[summer bluff]

And Bat people would steer clear from the problem altogether

[formal bridge]

Horns do not read as directly to antisemitism as big noses

[summer bluff]

And have the bantisu monks be cooler

[formal bridge]

I still like my satyr idea best

[real galleon]

||wait so the queen is like the embodiment of corruption like orphion for the light and the dern beast for the dark?||

[formal bridge]

Bantisu are mountain goats

[summer bluff]

....... um
The uhh
That's still

[formal bridge]

Yes, but ||she was born later on, while the others were seemingly alive from the start of their realms||

[azure tangle]

it quite literally is equivalent lol they say the kippahs are to hide the horns

[formal bridge]

I mean, I guess?

[summer bluff]

Yurp

[formal bridge]

If we're that concerned over it

But you could apply that to so many other groups too

[azure tangle]

is squidward antisemitic?

[neat oriole]

what

[real galleon]

weird

[neat oriole]

what's going on 😭

[formal bridge]

The villagers in minecraft are a money hungry group with big noses and ugly appearances in general

Like

It's literally using a racist depiction of jews for a prominent race

[summer bluff]

They're the English 😔

[formal bridge]

Yes it's from minecraft, but it was bad in minecraft too

[summer bluff]

Little colonizers

[winged narwhal]

theres also the golem thing

[summer bluff]

If elves are Irish
And the orcs are scottish or na

[winged narwhal]

although that along with much of the other issues is from minecraft

[formal bridge]

No matter what they're changed to at this point it's going to inevitably be tied back to antisemitism cause they started as villagers, that's inevitable

[winged narwhal]

they seem to be moving away from golems at least in wynn

[formal bridge]

But the model change is the best step possible

Then just chop the noses off golems and we're good

[real galleon]

ok but then wtf is annie and how is that related to the queen

[summer bluff]

Hey isn't it weird that we've imposed a stereotype of greedy villagers unto the minecraft villagers when the only thing that's shown in vanilla minecraft is that they have a currency system? Like it's relatively neutral depiction aside from the noses

But we're condemning it

[azure tangle]

and then remove an iron heart, a secret discovery, and part of taproot

like this is all what people are throwing onto them

[formal bridge]

Golems and money grubbing tendencies and big noses

[azure tangle]

they are just the trading npc

[restive yacht]

Annihilation is a monster from the realm of war

[formal bridge]

Yeah it's not the worst ever, but in retrospect with notch it's in a lot worse light

[real galleon]

oh so its just like some random dude

[azure tangle]

Golems is legit a folktale I was taught about growing up its not that deep

[formal bridge]

Same with the tall dark skinned creatures which steal things all the time in base minecraft

[formal bridge]

A jewish folktale

[azure tangle]

Yeah that was implied lol

[formal bridge]

Im not saying it's horrendous and needs to be changed

[summer bluff]

The
Slenderman
Enderman?

[formal bridge]

Yop

[azure tangle]

ive just never had a problem with villagers

[restive yacht]

No no, it's a monster from the realm of war, u can see many annihilation monsters walking on the side during raid

[formal bridge]

I'm just saying it's kinda an inevitable comparison

[azure tangle]

cant speak for all of us, but I dont think its that deep

[restive yacht]

They need to buff Anathema

[winged narwhal]

i think endermen are a bit of a stretchn

[azure tangle]

Mojang would have changed it by now tbh

[formal bridge]

I think it is solely cause of the context of who made them, notch

[azure tangle]

not have added pillagers that look the exact same

[formal bridge]

Minecraft is owned by microsoft now who would never have such a big change to the branding made

Again, I'm not saying it's like, horrendous strawmen depiction which should be destroyed immediately

But if I had the chance to change it I would

[azure tangle]

i think its just being blown out of proportion

[formal bridge]

Again

Im not saying its a huge deal

I just would prefer it if possible

[summer bluff]

The best thing that wynncraft could do rn for the villagers is to make it so that they're like. Not The Primary Bank Holders

[formal bridge]

I dont even expect it to ever happen

Itd be a huge undertaking for a minor change

[azure tangle]

like if anything, an iron heart is the most antisemitic thing about them tbh

[formal bridge]

Honestly yhe only change I do want is to give them more models

[azure tangle]

if you had to pin point

[formal bridge]

It's kinda glaring compared to the very differentiated human ones

[azure tangle]

they have some player villager skins

[summer bluff]

Ngl would like more villager models yeah

[formal bridge]

And those are the good ones

But there are still a lot in earlier quests esp which are just base minecraft villagers

The most likely change I could ever see happening is either all villagers get turned to player skins or they find a way to make uniquely modeled villager skins more often

[digital swan]

oh also worid

they just had to make the guy who constantly cheats people out of money and steals a villager

[formal bridge]

Yeah that ones a big egregious

[snow kiln]

Dang I didn't know the devs gave us a way to convert old wynnic to fruman

[clever quartz]

Guys who's Elise's husband

[real galleon]

wife*

[clever quartz]

I can't tell cuz I can't see their head

I think I'm getting cancelled chat

Anyway are they revealed to us

[real galleon]

yuh

end of quest

[clever quartz]

it's asking me to throw a brick at the middle of the rope

the elevator

[real galleon]

ur close to the end

[clever quartz]

Idk where the blockage is though

[real galleon]

its just the rope

[clever quartz]

i throw a brick at the coords and nothing happens

[real galleon]

then u get on the top of the elevator

[clever quartz]

Wait why the brick not even thro

nvm

[hybrid gazelle]

THE LESBIAN

TBH even then before the reveal, Else literally calling her partner a she 😭

[snow kiln]

Syndra

[real galleon]

dawg i would advise using a spoiler tag seems a bit inconsiderate

[hybrid gazelle]

Use spoiler tag

[clever quartz]

Does she remember Elise

[snow kiln]

yes

[real galleon]

u will find out

holy frig man leave some mystery up to the game to reveal

[clever quartz]

Gng what's elise beef with inquisitor

[snow kiln]

what?

[real galleon]

memory erased

[snow kiln]

dude have you been playing the game

she doesn't have any beef with anyone

she was pulled into this shit unwillingly

cause of Syndra

[clever quartz]

Gng she dead

💀

[real galleon]

holy friggin moly man use the spoiler tag

[clever quartz]

now how do i level 111 -> 112

[hybrid gazelle]

cave

miniquest

[snow kiln]

caves

[hybrid gazelle]

world event

[snow kiln]

or be a slog and power level

[split night]

probably just grind at a random xp spot, olinus make some short about it

[snow kiln]

has someone made a table for converting fruman to english yet?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[snow kiln]

is it available on the interwebs?

[hybrid gazelle]

it's in google doc

[snow kiln]

which google doc 😭

[snow kiln]

oh wait found it cheers

[drifting aurora]

i do kind of hate this anyway

[clever quartz]

gng wtf is up with restitution lore

"recnal il il. alac toc, pasad il, atlruc il, kaclahpokc il cefos. lahes il nikcrolad kec pahsohal uc ifrah tofnikcsif. etlefrofmad ah, etlaces ah tofnikcsoftahal. rofmel lahrakctriltod uc tofpahnuc. lahic cof efrofmad il pahsadiled uc tofifrah. etlalnes ah rofmedes uc tofpestal. pasad uc tofmahatskritsec. etlrakc kec. etlrakc kec."

[hybrid gazelle]

the concept of mixed race or the quest

[drifting aurora]

the way the quest portrays it

[hybrid gazelle]

fair enough

please have more mixed race represent because geniunely like

this is fantasy setting like

why are not there more

[winged narwhal]

When was the last time you saw two different races besides humans and villagers in the same settlement

[hybrid gazelle]

Efilim

Rodoroc also ahve delves and villager trader

And festival literally have people from different part of the world gather up

[regal spire]

The moon has wybels and Humynns living together in harmony

[twin citrus]

rodoroc also gets doguns after the dwarves and doguns questline

[regal spire]

Does anyone have photos of the “alleged ascended mythics” around fruma?

[pallid glen]

did they add the missing dialogue option back yet

[regal spire]

I noticed that a lot of those weapons seem to represent the models of the new mythics

[pallid glen]

you mean those altars?

[regal spire]

The most obvious one is restitution in the highlands

[regal spire]

Yeah, those

[pallid glen]

seen screenshots of em in the beta channel, that's it

I think someone saw a thrunda somewhere

[regal spire]

Architect is in the roughwoks, ascendancy in Torann, but Idt I saw any others

[regal spire]

I think that’s actually restitution

[winter maple]

so Elise is Syndra's lover, Does Syndra knows that Elise is still alive before we helped him/her?

[hybrid gazelle]

||she know you can see this since relevation in falls||

||also they are both women||

||also spoil your stuff so it does not ruin other experience||

[slim belfry]

man looking at mythic lore makes me wanna make a resource pack for weapons like others have

[sacred hazel]

Its a riddle from the Off The Rails quest i need help with one riddle cant find the word

[hasty beacon]

|| epic ||

[sacred hazel]

thanks mate

[supple pagoda]

hey, is there a reason why ||I can't tell Tasim the whereabouts of Aledar||? I forgot what happened to ||Aledar||

[hasty beacon]

wiki should really update and include that word lol

[hasty beacon]

|| he died in the se questline ||

well be able to tell him at some point but it hasnt been added yet

[supple pagoda]

yeah, ||I'm at this first quest where I'm trying to tell him,|| the game doesn't seem to let me do it

anyway, thank you, ||I'll have to look up the rest on what happened to Aledar||

[restive yacht]

Wdym the rest of what happened to || Aledar, u killed him! ||

[supple pagoda]

[winter maple]

okay thanks for information

[restive yacht]

Idk who from CT said this, but they felt positive about adding some sort of dialogue options somewhere to discuss this with syndria

[real ocean]

what does the NA time mean in fruma history discoveries

[snow kiln]

Fym hasn't been added yet

[hybrid gazelle]

it simply not added yet

[hybrid gazelle]

new age

[prisma matrix]

guys why does rex get mad

after we get in the lift

in soosu's mansion

[restive yacht]

Yk idk

[hybrid gazelle]

you mean when she said she does not want to talk about it?

[tired fiber]

Rex just stays mad tbf

[limber swan]

one thing I need to know

did sui get a haircut?

[prisma matrix]

yea

[limber swan]

second thing, who is the unknown man?

[hybrid gazelle]

probably just whole experience being wrird and stuff I htink it meant to be more humorous scene of like

"Wtf was that"

and not her being actaully mad

[prisma matrix]

she made a bun ig

[hybrid gazelle]

it probably just very awkward moment of like

everything is serious, they are sneaking into mansion

[prisma matrix]

she is still mad about it when yus comes

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that

let me check

[celest falcon]

An unknown man probably

[prisma matrix]

nah when yus also comes in elevator

[winter maple]

||Apparently after finishing Echoes of Change, I felt a little bit better because both of them are living peacefully now.||

[prisma matrix]

yus asks whats wrong

she still says we dont wanna talk about it

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK rex probably just fucking hate elevator

[prisma matrix]

my friend lowk said its meant to be

like one of those awkward kiss/hug from lift turbulence

i kinda see it but idk

[spiral bear]

||So is the big rune door under the wartorn palace known how to access or nah?||

[restive yacht]

Where the || 2nd grave tho ||

[winter maple]

||I mean Syndra's death is extreme but hey, at least they are together now.||

||things are too fast I forgot if Mora died too...||

[restive yacht]

F

[prisma matrix]

||lowk never got attached to her||

[winter maple]

I just liked their romance, but not the character itself, Sui FTW

[prisma matrix]

sui best !!!

ig rex too

BUT ZEPH WAS MY FAV

[winter maple]

Rex is quite a bit Tsundere

[prisma matrix]

it is meant to be and i like it

[winter maple]

W Character design

[prisma matrix]

peak

but idk the rex scene in life still confuses me

[winter maple]

I need a GIF where SUI is eating the bread

[cobalt viper]

This is so silly. Why am I able to take this level 83 quest when I'm only level 33?
Does this imply that the guy I met at Selchar has dyslexia and has difficulty telling 3 and 8 apart?

[fallow thistle]

Are we allowed to post fruma content in the lore channel?

[hybrid gazelle]

probably osme bug fuck

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but recommend with spoiler

[fallow thistle]

I found a monument describing ||what I think is the founding of Ragni. Its accessible through fruma at the quarry looking thing on the icy mountain||. If Anyone wants to take a look at it. I don't have a clue about the greater story of Wynncraft, so insights would be appreciated.

[warm flicker]

||That monument u found is a written layout of how Fruma's colonies should be governed. It basically confirms that every major settlement in Wynn was originally established as a colony of Fruma. The interesting thing is that for Ragni, the monument only mentioned changing the name of the city (from Sikshahrath to Ragshniv (Ragni)) implying Ragni was originally not a Fruman colony||

[hybrid gazelle]

||this is pretty much fucking big ass lore drop in one spot in the game that nobody woud normally come||

||it such relevation to see this fucking rosetta stone detailing how Wynn province came to be||

[fallow thistle]

Thats so cool! ||Did you also see the discovery neaby under the Ice? I cant really check it out, since its for a higher level, but it seems to be an archive. You just need to push a big Ice block gotten from a mobe near the monument onto a hole under the ice infront of the stalagtite cave you went through.||

[fallow thistle]

I feel kinda proud now, ngl. :D

[hybrid gazelle]

||some manage to translate it and some of the scroll detail how Wynn would be isolated from Fruma after the corruption unleash into the Wynn||

||there also detail talking about the old fruman god that the queen wipe from history, these gods are named after the raid rune that we use||

||Again I am not the ugy on the subject matter so I hope someone with more knowledge come to talk about it||

||bbut the lore go deep with the history of Wynn/Fruma that we did not get to experience||

[fallow thistle]

Is there a concise way to read up on everything pre Fruma?

[hybrid gazelle]

||I dont think so but you have to look around maybe there is but I am not sure||

actualyl why I am spoiler this stuff

it not that important but like

it such a deep lore

[fallow thistle]

Man, I need a Youtuber with bad paint animation to explain everything to me in a 4h video. /s

[prisma matrix]

guys ||elise , whats the deal with this old women, she commiting fraud or what||

[rustic nexus]

😭

[candid cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076545160583839884/1478539541735407760/Sui_Nom.gif

[prisma matrix]

instant save

its funny its just 2 frames

[frigid sandal]

i just did the remains of the cursed and i got a question. is shaman not a class in-lore? is it mentioned somewhere that im not remembering?

[candid cliff]

Maximum efficiency

Interpretation is animator's greatest tool

or whatevers the name in english

[prisma matrix]

i think its known as morphing or smth

wait no

its not

i frogot what its called

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/wynn-wynncraft-seeking-totem-no-morph-morph-gif-26955345

[prisma matrix]

I DIDNT MEAN MORPH SET BRUH

[candid cliff]

I mean.. Slykaar and mel

Not sure if Shaman class is in Qira

[young sequoia]

yes there is

fire division

[candid cliff]

I see

So it was mage that "died"?

Terrible memory

[edgy loom]

I havent done the discoveries yet but maybe it's canon that shaman is a niche art

and that's why bob only trained in 4 arts

[frigid sandal]

oh yeah

[edgy loom]

(even if that could be outdated lore)

[candid cliff]

It definitely is

[sacred hazel]

I finished Missing Piece quest with Elise and im crying

[young sequoia]

nah I mean the new npcs in hive

[candid cliff]

Also Slykaar was probably one of the only shamans, & most likely the only powerful one so he probably didn't want to get associated anyway. Not that Slykaar would even consider it

[candid cliff]

Yeah but it was missing 1 class wasn't it

So the joke was that they died fighting the boss

[young sequoia]

😭

idk I havent checked hive

ok so there is no earth npc one

[exotic bough]

There are two

[young sequoia]

that 2 servants

I should check npcs dialogue

[barren phoenix]

Mage go splat

[echo stirrup]

what is acolyte
is it dern or corruption, what is the 'demon' that possesses the totem in the ult and what are teh eldritch call tentacles from

[hybrid gazelle]

Archetype have their own lore

theyu took inspiration from canon lore

but it does not vice versa

[echo stirrup]

archetypes arent canon?

[hybrid gazelle]

complicated

even thjen if we take them as canon then

not a lot of thing make sense

because whatever Acolyte is does not line up with anything

and the demon we see in game does not really line up with what archetype has

[echo stirrup]

demon we see in game?

doesn't acolyte's totem just become red

[hybrid gazelle]

Garaheth

and whatever the fuck demon Dullahan

[echo stirrup]

is riftwalker dern

[hybrid gazelle]

no

that

that literalyl justb balck hole or cosmic thype shit

it's in the name

[echo stirrup]

its got eyes tho

and its purple

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that

let me go check

thato ne iDK it probably happen to be similar theme to cosmic horror

which is why eyes are there

other than that I dont think it ever have connection with Dern

because eyes are more general associate with Corruption, Dern, and Light too

[echo stirrup]

wdym check

[hybrid gazelle]

check the ult in better lighting

[echo stirrup]

oh

I thought you were like a dev and had access to some secret channel

[hybrid gazelle]

if I do I would have different name color

[echo stirrup]

do the "riftspawn" in riftwalker's abilities have a model or anything or is it just dps

[hybrid gazelle]

i have no idea

the beyond just very goddam vague

[vestal rivet]

they do
you can even see it in the trailer where Tasim was aura farming
little purple tendrils of lighter color than the rest of the Rift's VFX, with bulges on it where the eyes sit

you get like 3 of them, but idk if the "every 0.5s" is for all of them together or just one of them

[echo stirrup]

so they're the eyestalks?

[vestal rivet]

yeah you don't get the eyestalk things unless you take Portal to Beyond

[echo stirrup]

neat

[supple echo]

who made the ending for the missing piece

😭

[rustic nexus]

a sadist

[valid valve]

how do you cover your message when it contains spoilers i wanna ask something

[hybrid gazelle]

||

[valid valve]

|| in the house divided secret discovery it mentions that the journal belongs to a Gale Nisan, is this the same Gale from the Qira Hive or am I connecting unexisting dots?||

[winged narwhal]

Its the same one

[valid valve]

what thats so cool

[brisk spindle]

yo btw what is greg meant to be?

[hybrid gazelle]

there is no comfiration

but I personally believe it was an olm

due to the evidence

[brisk spindle]

its very possible that he broke out of dern

[brisk spindle]

wait

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah

[brisk spindle]

thats true

[hybrid gazelle]

I though that was general lore of TNA

[brisk spindle]

i never did the fate of the olm secret discovery

[hybrid gazelle]

the olms were taken to Dern

so TNA wanting to get out of Dern would be actual motive

It also a black skeleton

[brisk spindle]

damn

[brisk spindle]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

and we seen giant black skeleton in SE before like that room in lootrun

[brisk spindle]

wynncraft lore go's soooooo deep

[hybrid gazelle]

and TNA have many attack that are spacd theme

connecting it back to cosmic magic

which is what olm use

[brisk spindle]

yeah

damn thats cool

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah nothing comfirm

but watched phrase is similar to what Garoth has

[brisk spindle]

wait but whats the guy at the door of dern

for the hunters calling quest

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK

probably olm too but we have no idea

[brisk spindle]

does he have a name

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

[brisk spindle]

damn

ingame carrecter should have asked

fr

[mystic fulcrum]

but what about ohm? he's at fruma with gale there and die somehow?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

most human dont really live that long

consider the time that Gale live in

so he did not die somehow

[mystic fulcrum]

so they probably go to gavel at some point

since their grave is at qira hive

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I guess honestly I dont know about these part of the lore

[vale sonnet]

thats what you get for being invincible for 2 minutes

[paper wyvern]

There was a line somewhere about a myth of someone flying over the ocean which was probably about gale

[lethal hill]

I just realized
In Queen's recruit Tasim received letter from Aledar for the SE quest. And at the end of Journey Fruther Aledar said the party already know they have to sacrifice one of them from the start.
If Aledar invite Tasim to do the SE mission, doesn't that mean he is fine with the possibility of Tasim being sacrificed too?

[hybrid gazelle]

no because that dialogue got rewrite

now it change to Aledar talk about how only Elphaba and he know that someone has to die in this journey

and he know that Elphaba would be the one who offer herself and Aledar would do it too

[paper wyvern]

which is a good thing cause the original dialogue didnt really make sense

[lethal hill]

ong no way I didnt notice the change after replay SE quest that many time

[paper wyvern]

given that the change was a few weeks before the beta you could have missed it

[lethal hill]

still, having Tasim potentially witness his own death? brutal

[lethal hill]

oh it was a recent change I see

[paper wyvern]

yeah theyve been trying to smooth out weird parts of the lore due to fruma

[lethal hill]

I see

[lethal hill]

Which is why I dont think the Tasim-Aledar relationship is mutual.
More doomed yaoi to write for fanfic I guess

[brave rune]

any new text finders

[fallow thistle]

Is the attraction, even if one sided, confirmed? To me it felt more like a really desperate friend trying to reconnect.

[random hedge]

I defeated the wartorn palace raid. Besides the queen npc at the end where can I get the aftermath of the entire fruma questline. Or is there none