📚lore_discussion

[burnt zodiac]

I know nothing about dogun lol

[nocturne cave]

Hes not involved ( in the lore side)

[quartz mist]

he focuses in on the gameplay mechanical and management side of things

[burnt zodiac]

Does it have any interesting stuff?

[digital swan]

moral of the story: the moment we turn the tide in favor of orphion we're FUCKED

[jade whale]

Can someone clearly describe what the queen is again?

[digital swan]

solution: kill them both

[burnt robin]

postraid wtp was a major lore drop

[rustic nexus]

how far are you into the questline

[burnt robin]

i think were already f**ked from that dialogue

ngl

[winged narwhal]

Is the bovemist god real

[jade whale]

I'm in the middle of the last quedt

[rustic nexus]

ok so

[burnt robin]

you'll find out

[rustic nexus]

||the queen is the Beast of the War Realm||

[burnt robin]

if ur in apotheosis

[warm flicker]

us saving orphion from the parasite didnt turn the tide per say, just made things more equal. Its like the British airforce preventing the Battle of Britain from turning into an invasion

[rustic nexus]

you find out in overture to despair 😭

[burnt robin]

well, ish?

[rustic nexus]

no ish

she is

[digital swan]

huh no I haven't played fruma because it'll be really busy for a while now and I want to wait
this is what I thought preupdate and unless some corrects me with new Fruma lore I'll keep believing it

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/death-puss-in-boots-puss-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-wolf-gif-1452482422073053372

[digital swan]

yeah but Orphion probably wants us to North Africa his ass

[burnt robin]

||anathema is more like a product of the war realm per se, she doesnt EMBODY it like how orphion and saphanis embody light and darkness||

[jade whale]

Didn't she stop being one?

Saphanis?? It has a name??

[rustic nexus]

yea

[burnt robin]

postraid dialogue

dude

[digital swan]

wtf

[burnt robin]

ppl created

an entire

doc

[jade whale]

Oooh haven't gotten there yet

[burnt robin]

cause the postraid dialogue is a f***ing library

[digital swan]

dude I'm still calling him DB until I play

[warm flicker]

do u have it perchance?

[rustic nexus]

THE NAME IS INCLUDED IN EVERY BRANCH

😭

[dawn otter]

This sounds contradictory somewhat, but to prevent plot holes sure.

[rustic nexus]

||https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?tab=t.0||

[jade whale]

Ok I shall go away for now. Until I finish the quests and raid

[winged narwhal]

Light above all

[burnt robin]

its like the simulations in AHC

ur technically interacting with past events

but ur not exactly changing the past

its more like a vision into an alternate timeline

[digital swan]

actually @warm flicker this implies that the darkness is gonna barbarossa us and then orphion will want us to bagration it

[winged narwhal]

For some reason searching for Orphion fanart finds art of a buff dragon man

[digital swan]

@exotic yew flood this man's inbox with orphion

[viscid meteor]

Guys what if orphion vs saphanis is just old undercrypt ruins boss fight

[burnt robin]

wasnt barbarossa cooked over in a few months or so

[winged narwhal]

We’re Poland in this scenario?

[burnt robin]

by winter

or was that different one

i cant remember

[dawn otter]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[burnt robin]

i think barbarossa was invasion of ussr no?

[dawn otter]

The things you interact with are real

And physical

[burnt robin]

but only there

[paper wyvern]

For some reason the CT dont know how bows work

[dawn otter]

People are making it seem like it’s a dream

Or some sort of illusion that the gate puts you in to.

[burnt robin]

i think of it almost like the dream realm from hollow knight

[paper wyvern]

If you actually shot a bunch of arrows on the same spring the force would be spread betwen all the arrows causing them to fly less far and do less damage

[burnt robin]

its technically a physical interaction

[paper wyvern]

its basic physics

[burnt robin]

and you're moving through it

[serene gate]

Correct me if Im wrong ||but the weaver makes and fixes the "shell" anathema wears right? It being not destroyed and in our posession, I cant help but wonder if there will be reason to use it other than making a shell for one of the other beings like saphanis or orphion, or is there another use for it?||

[burnt robin]

^^^^^

[digital swan]

Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, et cetera
All the countries that were set up by the German Empire at the start of the Russian Civil War and that were invaded by the Axis in the September Campaign and in Barbarossa

[serene gate]

there seems to be a lot of focus on it

[winged narwhal]

this is your issue with wynncraft realism

[digital swan]

gonna take a guess but I doubt any CT has fired a bow and I'd guess maybe one in three have fired a gun

[winged narwhal]

||date orphion||

[paper wyvern]

yes becaues rex explicity doesnt have magic

[serene gate]

||I mean earlier I was joking about how funny it would be to have noncanon blizardfest orphion invite where you have to get the weaver for it but unironically I feel like I can see us using the weaver for one of them||

[digital swan]

on the other hand all the bows are magic so maybe doing that just results in a shotgun since physics and magic usually aren't super friendly

[winged narwhal]

actually hang on: ||can the beasts voluntarily leave the woven bodies||

[serene gate]

||What if post fruma orphion is the one who becomes the bigger problem? with the queen gone and the player having dealt with the corruption, he starts showing his true colors, and we need saphanis's help to deal with him for good. Or maybe we use it take orphion to dern with us instead to beat saphanis, and the saphanis raid ends with us beating saphanis, but orphion turns on us knowing he would be next, and you have to beat him too||

[dawn otter]

||Wait hold on.

In Deja Vu you prevent Asher from dying and he comes to the present as a result of this.||

[serene gate]

Hm... You think its a sealing thing?

[winged narwhal]

I mean i haven

[shut hornet]

ok

[burnt robin]

i think its a different type of magic

from old man martin

than it is in the temple of time

[winged narwhal]

done the quest so idk exactly how it goes down

[dawn otter]

It’s the shovel

Still

[serene gate]

Do we think the shovel is from fruma

[burnt robin]

cause asher's time loop is in real time

[dawn otter]

Some time bs affected the shovel

[winged narwhal]

but could the player just ||get orphion and saphanis in woven bodies and then put them on suicide watch in a guarded area||

[serene gate]

is the shovel actually ||a failed prototype for the time rewind amulet that zhirlaok has||/hj

[serene gate]

Give them a chessboard and teach them chess to vent. No need to get lives involved

[dim plover]

I recently learned that this was an unpopular opinion but I really don’t like that the Wynncraft player character can speak on-screen in dialogue now

Every speech they do makes me feel more separated from the player as if we’re two completely different people

I just wish Wynncraft will go back to implied speech rather than actual visible speech

[winged narwhal]

i imagine the cat is out of the bag now, for better or for worse

[dawn otter]

Wait

[winged narwhal]

whether or not to have player dialogue is always a thing in RPGs

[dawn otter]

||Sovereign Two says we’re unpredictable, so are we defying fate||

[dim plover]

I mean, they can always just revert it
As of now the times it happens don’t really affect the story so removing them won’t change anything important in the quests

[digital swan]

make the player a silent protagonist who jumps to show agreement or disagreement

we can clearly jupy the high.

[dim plover]

No I just don’t want there to be visible speech lol

You can still do the speech in the option choice boxes

[winged narwhal]

On one hand you can get times when the player character dialogue does not match with the mental portrayal of the character the player has, on the other hand it can make writing dialogue quite awkward

[dim plover]

If you really need the player character to say something with the text visible just put it as a choice button

They’ve already done it in Fruma a few times, even for single option choices

Otherwise offscreen implied speech is what I want

[digital swan]

but make sure the choices are restrictive to make it clear that the player is stupid, can only see the world in black and white, and kills mindlessly

[dim plover]

Like when we spout exposition during the quest before Apotheosis

[winged narwhal]

I take it you love Cluck Cluck

[digital swan]

YE

[winged narwhal]

I really have no strong opinions on the dialogue thing

[digital swan]

ahahaha

[winged narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[rancid mortar]

thanks mr beast

[digital swan]

just saying we need a wynnversion of this

[serene gate]

Do you guys think Tasim would have gone through the Fruma story if we were the one made sovereign? lets not pretend the player would not totally let the queen give them free abilities that dont cost skill points in exchange for doing a questline with her where you go around for festivals and stuff, and Tasim definitely feels like he would join the leaves if he met them assuming he attacked the guards to escape torann

[slim belfry]

no

I think Tasim would stay out

[digital swan]

where salted announces something, go on wynnrat in image 2, do whatever the fuck in image 3, benefit in image 4

[dim plover]

I honestly feel like we would kill everything as long they they have a red nametag

[serene gate]

you mean like, you dont think hed care enough for the player

[digital swan]

go prof go prof go prof go prof go prof

[serene gate]

you get it

[dim plover]

Tasim would be dead instantly

[serene gate]

||well we wouldnt fight until the dam||

[slim belfry]

I'm more wondering how Tasim would feel if the player died instead of Aledar and Tasim was still chosen

[dim plover]

Ok but in all seriousness I don’t think Tasim would even sneak in like we did

[serene gate]

as in like, he wouldnt think about it, or he wouldnt care enough

[dawn otter]

||I feel like the leaves just dies if we were a sovereign||

[drifting aurora]

blizzard is canon compliant, but does not happen in the canon timeline

[slim belfry]

ah

that makes sense

[serene gate]

yeah, so what Im hearing is if we weave orphion up a flesh suit to attend the blizzard festival that doesnt need to be canon

[vapid blaze]

Inverse fursuit

[slim belfry]

that doesnt mean it should happen 😭

[dawn otter]

Also is there gonna be a Beyond the Grave rewrite

[winged narwhal]

The average wynncraft player’s moral compass disappearing as soon as the Queen offers them a 300 raw damage ring with no SP reqs:

[dawn otter]

||The quest implies that when we die we can kinda just revive ourselves||

[dawn otter]

We use the ring to kill the queen

Technically speaking

[winged narwhal]

If I had the time I’d make a Fruma version of the squidward ice magic modern studio space meme

[serene gate]

Player: I have some moral qualms about the way you treat your-
Queen: I''ve heard you liked these...
Presents a tome that gives +200% spell damage
Player: Anything for you milady

[gleaming apex]

But I am so curious. We know in general the players on the board now, so wtf is this ||incredible power we have that even the beasts will regret overlooking||

[azure tangle]

its kinda odd to me that Tasim tells the player ||he had no one other than Aledar|| when Tasim is the one who spends a lot of time with the player in the tutorial questline.

[drifting aurora]

people are very mixed on this

[azure tangle]

probably didnt need to spoiler that but i did anyways

[drifting aurora]

to the point that i dont think theres a right or wrong decision to make on it

[serene gate]

Not to mention he went to Gavel and never came back for like, what, 80 content levels worth of time?

[azure tangle]

just about yeah

[dawn otter]

He had an existential crisis

We all have those

He got depressed

Not because he was weak

[serene gate]

yeah, but he had only been with aledar and us for like, 30 levels or so right

[azure tangle]

25

[dawn otter]

But because he was a slave to his freedom

[winged narwhal]

I’d like to see Orphion die five times in a row at the bat cave

[drifting aurora]

all except 2

[azure tangle]

||potion|| and whats the other one

[dawn otter]

I couldn’t find the dialogue that mentioned that the Corruption’s potency fluctuates based on location?

You sent me one but I still couldn’t find it

[dim plover]

I’ve made this same joke before but it’s a funny headcanon I had that the player will just follow any instruction that’s written in the Content Book (Since Quest NPCs canonically take your notebook and write in it)

So theoretically someone if malicious like the Queen somehow finds a way to reliably take the notebook from you and give it back, or write on the book remotely via magic, her or whoever else that figures it out will essentially have absolute control over us and essentially gain the most powerful weapon in the world

[drifting aurora]

the question is less "can you" and more "would they actually want to"

[serene gate]

I dont make the wynnterfest invites I just find the NPC and get them to detlas

[azure tangle]

is it more correct to say that Orphion and the others are A realm beast as opposted to THE realm beast

[winged narwhal]

Wait until Wynncraft starts publishing the Tasim novels

[serene gate]

gotta get them rewards

you gotta admit itd be hilarious

[dawn otter]

Wynncraft gets spinoffs

Well

They have a plushie

Wybels plushies

Orphion plushjes

It’s not too far fetched

[azure tangle]

0-2

[winged narwhal]

Where’s the ||anathema|| plushie

[dim plover]

POV: The Queen manages to get her hands on your notebook

[dawn otter]

Honestly

[azure tangle]

give it 5 years

[dawn otter]

I’d be down for Wynncraft novels

[dim plover]

(Apotheosis gives 64 LE I guess we have to kill them now)

[drifting aurora]

i do generally prefer this

[serene gate]

Understood ma'am, anything to unlock the lootrun

[winged narwhal]

Excellent headcanon

Wait apotheosis gives you a stack of LE?

[dim plover]

I mean it's a joke headcanon but still

[drifting aurora]

a technique i often use is having the selectable option be a smaller version of the full thing that gets said

because theres just not enough room

[dim plover]

The Queen offers that reward if you do the content book objective she wrote down

[serene gate]

When they do a ||Saphanas plush|| they should rerelease the orphion plush

like do a second run

[winged narwhal]

Nice

[serene gate]

Id want all 3

[drifting aurora]

thats not what i said

[winged narwhal]

Wait for the Dern beast plush

[serene gate]

What did I just say

[drifting aurora]

i said the portal at the roots & the rift are different in nature. look at dialogue branch 5 for that

[drifting aurora]

yeah

[ornate turret]

I would be so down becoming a sovereign and taxing the fumans

[dim plover]

I want all the Realm Beasts in the same room just bickering with each other
Like, nullify their powers in this space so they're forced to talk rather than use magic

I'd pay to watch that

[drifting aurora]

not anything massive, but i have changes i want to make

[serene gate]

Thats the one with death right

always felt off lorewise no?

[azure tangle]

KROLTON

[gleaming apex]

Seriously there's no better glaze than seeing our hidden power then immediately saying the beasts don't know what's coming for them

[drifting aurora]

i had fun with that one

[winged narwhal]

Beyond the grave was fun

[tough axle]

I feel like a lot of this also relates to point of no return

[dim plover]

I'm a bit mixed on the player being implied to have some unique hidden inate power rather than us just being a really dedicated random human though

[azure tangle]

i like the player speaking personally

[dim plover]

I'm not sure how I feel about the "the protagonist was actually special all along" trope

[ornate turret]

Trust me, I was like Broo I got the wynncraft ost melody in me

[dim plover]

It's uh

Idk

[azure tangle]

though it shouldnt be over done

[dim plover]

I'll have to see what the player is eventually revealed to have

[dim plover]

But just know that I don't like this specifically that much

So I hope Wynncraft doesn't go to that

[ornate turret]

‘Something something melody’ idk if I need to spoiler mark that

[winged narwhal]

The player is secretly the child of Orphion and and the Dern Beast

[azure tangle]

it probably will, we had to have done something to get kicked out

[dim plover]

kicked out?

[azure tangle]

of fruma

the first time

[dim plover]

Yeah but the Queen didn't notice this supposed secret thing inside of us until after the raid ends though

So it can't be because of that

[azure tangle]

sure

[tough axle]

It’s the two wolves inside of us. The indomitable human spirit

[gleaming apex]

I mean here's my crazy off the wall theory, based on how there's apparently a bottomless cavern within us. What if we're actually related to the void in some way.

[azure tangle]

we are Greg's Scion

[tough axle]

I was saying we are basically the hollow knight lmfao

[winged narwhal]

Why are people hyping up the Dern Beast so much Dern Beasts are easy to kill

[dim plover]

(We are the Plane of Influence)

[tough axle]

We are Charlie Kirk

[serene gate]

and a silly bug cant forget her

[ornate turret]

I mean we, at least in my mind, single handedly beat the raids by ourself

[azure tangle]

i love that those are still in the game

PLEASE never remove them

[ornate turret]

Nono

[azure tangle]

(the clock is ticking on them)

[dim plover]

Btw are the Realm Beasts' visual sizes from our perspective indicative of their current power or does Orphion just really like to be smaller than both other beasts

[winged narwhal]

Are these things still in the fucking game they’re from like 2014

[azure tangle]

(they are gonna be shot next patch)

[ornate turret]

We are waiting on THE dern beast

[tough axle]

I do live the idea that we just get 3 random Wynn waririros who lore wise had nothing to do with fruma and throw them at this god

For the raid

[winged narwhal]

Its marketing

[ornate turret]

And win

[azure tangle]

I assume the parasite caused orphion to shrink?

[dim plover]

Isn't it 4

[tough axle]

Us plus the other 3

[dim plover]

Ult Secret Discovery shows Orphion as the same appearance before Parasite

[winged narwhal]

He appears cute and cuddly for marketing purposes

[azure tangle]

Ult has no blocks

[dim plover]

I think he just normally looks like that

[azure tangle]

perspective warped

[dim plover]

What

[ornate turret]

Nah like the player, Bob and tasim and maybe Sui could legit beat literally anything

[azure tangle]

is that cutscene not in black void

[dim plover]

The Ult has a cutscene of him in his arena and the Parasite jumping him

[azure tangle]

ah it does

nvm

[ornate turret]

The shear amount of plot armour

[azure tangle]

id think the realm beasts can influence their size though

[restive yacht]

is there any way softlocks can be fixed without admin intervention as of now?

[azure tangle]

kinda Zygarde esque

[ornate turret]

Well, /kill

sometimes works

[dim plover]

Then why are the War and Dark beasts so much bigger lol

[fluid fox]

is the "him" anathema refers to in postraid dialogue supposed to be bak'al?

[gleaming apex]

Now here's a plot twist I could actually see happening in the future: What if we were never from Fruma to begin with? My insane theory is that we just came into existence at the exile caravan and were just sent on our way, and no one would know since we would have no memories regardless, and that's why the orb in recover the past immediately breaks, because there really is nothing there

[winged narwhal]

My vague wynn universe headcanon has it not being one guy doing every single quest

[azure tangle]

"grrr me big and evil"

idk

[dim plover]

We know War, and we can derive DB's relative size from the claws in the SE Ult

[winged narwhal]

Although I’m aware it’s not canon compliant

[azure tangle]

orphion just might like to be a lil guy

he cant be pet if he gets much bigger

[serene gate]

||Orphion actually just playing the good guy for the sake of his own corruption of our realm does make sense though, there has always been that freaky alien factor to realm of light||

||Playing the victim against Saphanis when in actuality both of them are trying to do the same thing||

[fluid fox]

simply beat both like a boss

[winged narwhal]

||Saphanis|| is winning at the moment

[serene gate]

||Bring orphion with you to beat saphanis through a questline, ending in a raid where the boss is saphanis, then after you beat saphanis, surprise, orphion is next because he knows you are a threat to him who needs to be dealt with before you do the same to him that you did to saphanis||

[dawn otter]

Okay my statement was vague

I meant

A statement implying that the Realm of War’s “corruption” varies in potency depending on the area

Like what is the difference between the location Theorick entered and the location we entered.

Closest thing I could find was

[serene moth]

||what if this 'incredible power the player has that even the beasts will regret overlooking' is the reason for the player being fine after entering the realm of war while theorick lost his marbles?||

[dawn otter]

||”In time… they broke through once more. But now, they were limited… bound.

No longer… could their destruction sweep the land. The scale… of their moves… forced to be smaller. More… calculated.
“||

[formal bridge]

||tbf we canonically have Zeph of all people on the raid, so are we saying the protection would extend to him too?||

[dawn otter]

Yeah

We’re just an anomaly

[serene moth]

hmm thats true

[serene gate]

||If Anathema made Two and Ba'Kal does that mean that Orphion and Saphanis can make their own people? Two seems really well made and I feel like both of them would benefiet from having allies like that||

[dawn otter]

Well

If you count Parasite

Not just a person but an entity

[serene gate]

I mean like people people

||What if Orphion made a new follower inspired by Lari, since she's dead now right||

[azure tangle]

i dont think she like physically created the person.

[dawn otter]

|| Lari died? ||

[serene moth]

no?

[dawn otter]

lol

[azure tangle]

like ||Bak'al|| existed ||pre corruption||

[serene gate]

||Was that not implied?||

[dawn otter]

|| last time we saw her was fighting Bak’al, then they go through a portal ||

[drifting aurora]

oh. uhh. dialogue on the spire (one of the 1 dialogues?)

& also duration

[serene gate]

||Oh I thought the queen mentioned something about her||

[paper wyvern]

||Where the hell is this coming from cause that's just wrong Bakal traveled through the nether portal and we don't know how anathema met 2||

[azure tangle]

||Two im not certain of, but she did not like snap Bak'al into existance looking like that. She imbued her full power onto him and he lived. Id assume Two existed as well, possibly as an Olm, but did not take her full power just partial||

[serene gate]

Oh okay I misunderstood some of the dialogues then

[dawn otter]

|| The creeping red blight… I hated it. I could not stand it staining the only space that was mine…

It was… a space of comfort… once. Atop this Crown… I could claim to be free. Far above… the crimson haze.
||

[azure tangle]

||Anathma|| as far as im aware, cant just snap people into existance

[dawn otter]

She has something better

Guns

Rockets

Bombs

[serene gate]

"Bang"

[azure tangle]

but anyways, i assume going through the portal at roots of corruption has more "radiation" than going through the ||rift||

[dim plover]

I think the whole us not being able to survive the Realm of Corruption while being in it is not canon anymore tbh

[dawn otter]

That or Anathema specifically “sculpted” the palace that way.

[dim plover]

Like, now that I think about it

Because that used to be a pretty big reason as to why we can't just enter the portal at the Roots of Corruption

[dawn otter]

She claims that it was a place of comfort

[azure tangle]

well

[dawn otter]

Or the spire at least

[azure tangle]

it was also changed to that the beasts can just block you out right

[azure tangle]

||this dialogue says that we enter at a safer spot above the haze, which I assume is the death part. Breathing in the haze or whatever corrupts. we are higher up so it isnt as potent but still gets us. like if we just chilled there after the raid we would probably still die||

didnt mean to ping myb

because currently, CoW and Theorick still exist and got corrupted from the portal, so it has to still be part of it.

[dim plover]

We started from the ground though, no?

[drifting aurora]

and you get a ||raid corruption||

[azure tangle]

we go up stairs quickly lol

[dawn otter]

The gray part of the sky is only visible in the boss

When we enter the realm

The sky is completely red

So

[azure tangle]

then its probably just something with entering through the portal

[winged narwhal]

i mean do we know how long bakal cow and theorick spent in the realm

[dawn otter]

I think we can like

[azure tangle]

not that i can recall

[dawn otter]

Resist its possession

But not necessarily the weakening

[paper wyvern]

but can zeph

[dawn otter]

Idk

[paper wyvern]

I really wish we had some explanation of why everyone who goes through the nether portal gets corrupted but going through the rift we were fine

[azure tangle]

we canonically go through the raid with others, ||Tasim|| appears uneffected post raid

though could be due to ||soverignity||

[dawn otter]

Did he even go in the realm

[azure tangle]

yes

canonically Zeph Sui and Tasim do the raid with us

[paper wyvern]

the other players in the raid are stand ins for sui, taism, and zeph

[dawn otter]

lol

Well

[azure tangle]

so it cant be "player special"

[dawn otter]

We are in their proximity

And granted them our player privileges

[azure tangle]

if we give off some anti corruption aura then wynn provice should be a walk through lol

mobs should just die being near us

that cant be it either

[dawn otter]

I think we just sorta resist it lol

For a time

[azure tangle]

but we cant make them resist it we arent their immune system lol

[dawn otter]

Also the timer still ticks down in the buff room

[azure tangle]

unless youre a lightbender i guess lol

[paper wyvern]

its probably a matter of amounts of expsure

and timing

[dawn otter]

Which implies that you aren’t fully immune

[winged narwhal]

Zeph

[paper wyvern]

given that an entire army is brought in to fight anni when it shows

so while in the realm has the highest concentration theres still a safe dosage

[azure tangle]

i imagine going through the portal is like going into and out of a planets atmosphere like how the space shuttle burns entering earth

we just, skipped that part by dodging it

[dawn otter]

How large is the realm of war anyway

[azure tangle]

yes

[dawn otter]

Infinitely large?

[paper wyvern]

yeah im going with the other side of the portal being the highest concentration

[azure tangle]

we go in with gas masks

[paper wyvern]

and the other side of the rift is comparable to a large corruption spike or the roots

[plucky pagoda]

||whos grave is tasim at after the raid||

[azure tangle]

||who gave him the note you read?||

[paper wyvern]

||a;edars you can find an npc there during some parts of the auburn quests or the roughworks quests to tell you that||

[dawn otter]

But they didn’t enter the portal

Did they

They just waited for Anni

To emerge

[azure tangle]

i think thats correct yeah

they dont go in

[plucky pagoda]

Wish the grave was interactable

[paper wyvern]

im more making the point that they can bring an entire army to the center of corruption on the physical plane and everything is fine so theres probably areas in the realm where its fine

[azure tangle]

thats completely different though

its still earth atmosphere

just heavily corrupted

[dawn otter]

More evidence suggests that you have to cross the portal to have a risk of infection

You’re fine being on the physical plane

[azure tangle]

if anything its the lava that will getcha lol

[paper wyvern]

I mean just being in close enough proximity to a corruption spike risks corruption(although that quest is very old)

[dawn otter]

Weren’t those villagers

[burnt robin]

that was more so of affecting mood

[dawn otter]

Who are especially vulnerable to them

[azure tangle]

villegers in the sense of they live in a village

[burnt robin]

not necessarily straight up corruption

no?

[dawn otter]

No

Like the race

[azure tangle]

no

they are humans in game now

[dawn otter]

Oh

Well

[azure tangle]

have been for a while

[dawn otter]

They are kinda just pissed

[paper wyvern]

honestly that quest needs a rewrite to eactually epxlain more

[dawn otter]

But

[azure tangle]

that quest is super duper old

[dawn otter]

We probably do resist it to a huge degree

[azure tangle]

what is the LD50 of corruption

[dawn otter]

Bak’al

[burnt robin]

so we have one scion for almost all realms now

[dawn otter]

Well he is like the manifestation of it

[burnt robin]

lari is scion of light

bakal is scion of war

[paper wyvern]

at least one

[burnt robin]

then whos darkness

[dawn otter]

Parasite!!

[burnt robin]

its not bakal

[paper wyvern]

bak'al

[burnt robin]

bakal is of war

he just chose to side with darkness due to similar ideals

[paper wyvern]

was*

[formal bridge]

bak'al double dipped

[dawn otter]

Poor Bak’al

[azure tangle]

||Two is two because she is a scion of two realms||

[dawn otter]

He’s a tool

Just like us

Maybe

We aren’t so different

Maybe we could talk with him

Have a therapy session on our similarities

[winged narwhal]

Yahya

[paper wyvern]

True we both love mass murder

[burnt robin]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[paper wyvern]

I personally support scion swap theory

[burnt robin]

good point, i feel like parasite might just be one of the native species of dern no?

[winged narwhal]

Huh

[burnt robin]

considering the mobs that spawn

in EOH

mirror

[dawn otter]

Prob, but it was stated that it was made by the Dern Beast right

[burnt robin]

and he grew stronger by absorbing

[azure tangle]

it was specifically designed yes

[dawn otter]

Meaning it was probably unique in its capabilities

[burnt robin]

the land

[paper wyvern]

||two was darkness scion while bak'al was war scion and they both work for the other beast||

[winged narwhal]

And light Scion is still lari?

Do we even have confirmation lari and bak’al are scions

[paper wyvern]

yes

[burnt robin]

check the royal reports

[azure tangle]

it is explicitly stated yes

[burnt robin]

and dialogue from two

[dawn otter]

Also can we talk about how goated ||Anathema is for preventing two realms from converging

How short-sighted must you be... to have
taken your greatest asset... off the board?
It was MY PRESENCE... which was
HOLDING THEM BACK!!! Once I am gone….. they will KNOW. Do you UNDERSTAND?!||

[burnt robin]

in OTD

[slim belfry]

||bak'al is called war's lost scion||

[burnt robin]

dude exactly

only deterrent of two apocalyptic forces invading the world at once

[slim belfry]

||also two reminds me of ??? who suspiciously has a similar foresight ability||

[burnt robin]

i actually thought in the teasers

that two WAS ???

[paper wyvern]

whose ???

[azure tangle]

i mean

[burnt robin]

ahc npc

[azure tangle]

she does have the same face kinda

[paper wyvern]

ah

[dawn otter]

Was ??? Foresight

Or just

Sending you to alternate timelines

[paper wyvern]

what if we are all wrong and two is a heliolux

[azure tangle]

alt

[slim belfry]

whole point of ahc is you seeing different "ends"

[dawn otter]

Well

[slim belfry]

in ||ensemble of hope two similarly sent you to see very bad ends||

[dawn otter]

Those ends specifically take place during events that happened before even our steps in to SE, supposedly?

[slim belfry]

they took place at different times

[dawn otter]

Well they’re alternate timelines

[azure tangle]

i mean

[slim belfry]

yes but still different

[azure tangle]

its still foresight technically

[dawn otter]

Sure

[azure tangle]

but yeah they are both alt

it is very similar and she does look similar as well

[slim belfry]

the whole point is that they're potential outcomes

[azure tangle]

its why i think ||shes a double scion||

[dawn otter]

By foresight I just thought of seeing the future

Strictly that

[slim belfry]

I think the corkus and last parts could be future

[dawn otter]

Maybe

Speaking of foresight

So like

Two has Epitaph basically

-# It’s a JoJo ability

[azure tangle]

hunters calling takes place all over time yeah

[wintry sierra]

is there a new command to turn off other players attack modals?

/particles none is a fake command now

[dawn otter]

Not really

/toggle vfx low

[slim belfry]

there's never one

do what blake said tho

[wintry sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204631945150210048/1475384980195512493/nicevfxchanges2.gif

oh this was ment to go into /questions but i'm in lore discussion

mb the channels are right next to eachother

what is the lore reason behind having 1 fps in xp grind parties then?

[paper wyvern]

oh its to repreent how xp grind parties arent canon so you should suffer

[real ocean]

i havent finished fruma storyline yet but 1 thing i wish was added was some level of smuggling/black market operation that connects fruma to the rest of the world just slightly, i just find it impossible to believe that fruma is this perfectly sealed way province with no ability to get in and out of besides the gate.

[dawn otter]

Probably heavily guarded

[wintry sierra]

fruma neesd a dungeon SO badly

the xp curve is messed up hard and your forced to power level to play the game

[slim belfry]

there's a really really fitting and good candidate for that

but it's gonna take a while

[paper wyvern]

the only way in/out besides the gate is flying over the mountains

and if someone tried that they would be shot down

[hybrid gazelle]

It indeed jt perfectly sealed from outside as if it was then more people would have know about outside world

I do not see any possibility someone could smuggling thing out

Unless you are just thst good

[real ocean]

yeah but idk i would imagine that whatever means corkians used to escape is now used as some form of smuggling tunnel/route

[hybrid gazelle]

You are not making in and out of fruma

[slim belfry]

if anyone doesn't get the hint and made it past mistwoods it could be ||deraj prison||

[hybrid gazelle]

If yoh see what corkian has to do

You will know why it not something that can be done again

[paper wyvern]

see the secret discoveries fdor why that cant work again

[hybrid gazelle]

They even know they won’t return

[azure tangle]

you should do the roughworks secret discoveries

[real ocean]

what lvl/name is that discovery

would love to track it down

[hybrid gazelle]

Around 110 I think

It’s roughwork level

[slim belfry]

I bet the corkians are the reason why it's like that lol

[real ocean]

yeah im at that level does some1 have coords

[hybrid gazelle]

Try to find monument cover in foliage

[hybrid gazelle]

Corkian definite increase security of the place lol

[real ocean]

near the back of the roughworks or more central?

[dawn otter]

It’s because of Dr Legendary ofc

[exotic yew]

Hi

Do you want the forbidden knowledge

[cedar kernel]

What about that one hole in highlands to Wynn

You know

The one for the buried library

[hybrid gazelle]

Buried record?

[cedar kernel]

Yes

Buried records

[hybrid gazelle]

Well no one been there so far so imply undiscovered

Until the player come

And it’s also in frozen region which no one would go

There also an outpost

[cedar kernel]

Perhaps the outpost blocks access to the cave for anyone who is daring enough to try entering yeah

Where else is the fruman language found?

Outside of buried records and the adjacent tablet

[hybrid gazelle]

There is definitely a way out though that rare

But there absolutely no passage to fruma that allow you in and out

[azure tangle]

what new in patch

[cedar kernel]

Uhhh

[hybrid gazelle]

Therr is a new patch?

[cedar kernel]

I just did wtp and there was no lag in third stage

So maybe something got fixed around there

[hybrid gazelle]

Is inventory wipe patch here yet

[cedar kernel]

It would struggle really bad with tps lag and not load everything

[cedar kernel]

That’s called getting rid of the stupid fearmongerers

Wait no

I can’t do that

I have to perpetuate it to keep prices up

[hybrid gazelle]

So

It not real?

[cedar kernel]

I have not seen any instance of anyone getting hit by that bug

Anyways servers are gonna die soon because anni

[azure tangle]

class selection says 2.2.0_22

[slim belfry]

I think that was mostly due to lag?
I've been raiding and graiding with no issue

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay so appearantly

Patch is out and kaios get protrait

But wheee the change log

[azure tangle]

alt path dialogue please

[cedar kernel]

Also does anyone know any locations that use the frumian language

Besides the secret discovery for translating them

[neat oriole]

which sd?

[stuck sand]

I keep seeing IA years in fruma lore, what does it mean

[slim belfry]

Industrial Age

[stuck sand]

ohhhhh

[slim belfry]

Fruma has a different year unit system

[stuck sand]

they use a different

gg

[burnt acorn]

RA is royal age

NA is new age

I think

[frozen turtle]

Royal, New, Industrial and Knowledge ages

[versed heron]

There's an item with Fruman text as a cipher in its flavor text.

I'm currently trying to crack it.

Unless anyone has any free letters in Fruman (assuming that's what it is), it's a very janky cryptogram.

[tough axle]

||Do we know when the next chapter of the story will be? ||

[cedar kernel]

Isn’t it supposed to be like glyph languages

[versed heron]

It's not Wynnic

[cedar kernel]

I mean

Like Japanese or Chinese

I.E. uses different glyphs and phrases entirely

[versed heron]

I have no clue here, all I have is the cipher and little to go on since I have 0 letters.

[cedar kernel]

You know about the buried records secret discovery right?

[burnt robin]

theoretically it should be

[versed heron]

It's on the legendary bracelet Palimpsest

[burnt robin]

idk how much of CT know how to read chinese

since most east asian languages stem from chinese anyhow

[summer bluff]

ohhhh buddy... its not a cypher
its a whole new language

[warm flicker]

a bunch of old fruman texts mention Cycles as dates, i hope we can figure out when these took place in relation to the other timelines

[cedar kernel]

All that matters is that at least one is that

[summer bluff]

#1489836179665981621

[cedar kernel]

Rain world?!?!?

[warm flicker]

what item is this?

[cedar kernel]

I kind of want to figure it out for myself tbh

[burnt robin]

glyph languages usually have like

thousands of characters

this doesnt look nearly as diverse

[paper wyvern]

Which CT likes conlangs a bit too mych

[burnt robin]

from what im seeing

[cedar kernel]

True

[versed heron]

Palimpsest

[summer bluff]

good luck!

[burnt robin]

it might just be an alphabetical cipher

💀

if it is

im crying

[summer bluff]

nope

[paper wyvern]

There is an alphabetical cipher it just doesn't give anything readable

[burnt robin]

maybe shifted over?

[versed heron]

So I just want to ask to save myself some headache. Is there anything we can get from this?

[burnt robin]

idk

[paper wyvern]

Conlangs :p

[burnt robin]

maybe its an alphabetical cipher stacked on top of a shift cipher

im spitballing

[gleaming apex]

So I have a crazy theory.
What if we didn't actually exist until we came into existence in the caravan to Wynn.

[burnt robin]

💀

[dim plover]

Isn’t there a Transcriber for the Fruman language in-game

[lime magnet]

to those who were able to do the ||alternate route in the fruma beta where you tell tasim, how does he react?||

[cedar kernel]

No

The closest you get is the big tablet above Wynn

The Rosetta Stone

[dim plover]

Oh did they remove it

[hybrid gazelle]

there is transcriber in fruma

[cedar kernel]

Fruma edition

Right?

[hybrid gazelle]

you get it from ||Gale||

[dim plover]

Yeah I got the transcriber like twice in beta

Is it gone now

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think so?

[cedar kernel]

Bro ||gale of qira hive?||

wtf

[dim plover]

||She’s a Nasin||

[hybrid gazelle]

||you have to do divided house secrect discovery||

||and then go to Gale||

[dim plover]

||Like, that’s her name||
||Gale Nasin||

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[cedar kernel]

Yeah I need to do secret discoveries

Is it like direct instructions

The transcriber

[dim plover]

When they said Zhiraok’s last name in the Fruma quest I was like “Oh Wynncraft you sneaky asses”

[cedar kernel]

Or just glyph to letter

[cedar kernel]

what about that one book lmao

[dim plover]

What book

[burnt robin]

anyone know how to do a house divided secret disco

[cedar kernel]

'The Long-Winded and Painful Death of Sweeney S. Greenville.'

[dim plover]

Oh yeah I immediately recognized the author name

I gotta meet that fella man

[gleaming apex]

So like what if we literally started existing in the caravan to Wynn? Hear me out, post-raid dialogue talks about how there's a bottomless cavern within us where something should be, and combined with how the memory crystal in Recover the Past breaks when we use it, what if there is nothing before that point and we just manifested into the caravan from nothing

[dim plover]

My theory was that also yes

[lime magnet]

how did tasim react in the alt route during the beta?

[dim plover]

It goes down the fourth-wall route

[hybrid gazelle]

it was not written at taht time

[cedar kernel]

it’s on the wiki

[dim plover]

Uh
As expected, I guess

[cedar kernel]

I think

[dim plover]

Has the alt route been added in yet?

[cedar kernel]

Doesn’t the guy refer to us as scion

[hybrid gazelle]

https://youtu.be/rqDxNpBvtWI?si=mxK5jfvOL37EKz81&t=420

[cedar kernel]

What if we are dark or void scion or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

no

what

[summer bluff]

plus when we go back to the tutorial (heh) theres only ever pairs of people coming into wynn, no triples

[cedar kernel]

As in two

[hybrid gazelle]

also why would the void has scion

we dont know if there any beast of void

void is void

[gleaming apex]

Secret void beast theory

[hybrid gazelle]

that hte point

[cedar kernel]

There isn’t necessarily one

[hybrid gazelle]

void is not even a realm

it's space in between

[cedar kernel]

What would we be a scion of then

Of saphalis?

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont

we are not scion

we so far is not ||blessed by any beasts||

||if we do, characterws would point our mark by now||

[lime magnet]

okay it is on the wiki

[cedar kernel]

Referred to as a manaweaver tho

[hybrid gazelle]

that SUi

||Two refer Sui as Manaweaver not us||

[gleaming apex]

All we know is that there's something hidden in us that's very important

[burnt robin]

how do you do a house divided secret disco, its in fruman highlands but theres no wiki page on it

[dim plover]

Lari did right

She told the Elder that the player had the “mark of his (Orphion’s) blessing” or smth like that

[hybrid gazelle]

||it's assume Lari has one but then again ROL was made in a rush||

she did not say that

[dim plover]

I’ll recheck the dialogue I guess

[hybrid gazelle]

oh nvm

yeah there is I check it

[cedar kernel]

“Sovereign Two: So go on, fellow Scion. Put an end to this.”

[lime magnet]

was the alt route only in queen's recruit during the beta?

[gleaming apex]

Also that same post raid dialogue about what's in us implies that there's another player on the board? She says something took great lengths to hide it from her.

[hybrid gazelle]

||that Tasim||

[cedar kernel]

No that’s two

[summer bluff]

talk to the butler, rearrange the books and then explore the house

[cedar kernel]

Literally right before you enter WTP

[hybrid gazelle]

||omfg SHE TALKING TO TASIM||

[cedar kernel]

Oh

(Idiot)

[hybrid gazelle]

||HE LTIERALLY SPEAK TO HER RIGHT AFTER||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Anathema both refer herself as blank slate and a spark like how she refer to us||

||So whatever the player is, is something beyond what Realm beast could see||

||Another theory that what hte player is could be similar to what the player is in Deltarune||

||like similar concept ofc||

||because AGAIN remember player also meant to be up to player intereptation||

https://youtu.be/rqDxNpBvtWI?si=mxK5jfvOL37EKz81&t=420

||what we get is simply a puzzle pieces to never will be complete puzzle because we need to use your intereptation to complete it||

[cedar kernel]

Quests clearly show that player character has a voice and mind of their own

[hybrid gazelle]

||both of these things can be true||

||the player characters can have a voice and mind of their own and STILL up to our intereptation||

||this is nothing new||

||this is to showcase that player character is their own character and not our self insert

There still space for intereptation||

[cedar kernel]

||does this mean our nonexistent past overrides the character’s past then…||

[gleaming apex]

I saw the video, but that statement doesn't mean the player couldn't have their own background as long as it leaves them a blank slate at the start.

The dialogue I'm referencing implies something purposely hid this from her
||looking closer now… there is something… how could I… have missed it… before..?
…ha… ha ha… great lengths… must have… been taken… to hide this… from me||

[hybrid gazelle]

||no?||

||Again it's up to your interpreptation on what the player character past is

There is foundation lay before you and you need to build it up||

[slim belfry]

||depends on how you wanna treat it I guess||

[hybrid gazelle]

||like I said both things can be true||

||The possiblity rn is that we connected to the Weave somehow||

||But we do not really have that much information||

[gleaming apex]

Epic spoiler fail

[cedar kernel]

||probably has something to do with being a natural mana weaver||

[hybrid gazelle]

||because again just liek Anathema, we are a spark and blank slate||

[hybrid gazelle]

||mana weaver one is Sui||

[formal bridge]

||I see it as Skyrim logic. We can interpret how our character got to this point however we want. We can be special while still having an open ended backstory||

[cedar kernel]

||wait no that’s sui yeah||

[summer bluff]

||hey guys are we talking underneath the blankets in the pillow fort?||

[slim belfry]

yes

[pale aspen]

Is this the epstein files or smthin?

[summer bluff]

||no this is the blanket fort smh||

[elfin comet]

Whole lot of empty messages in here

[drifting aurora]

man we gotta change this to make it clearer who she's talking to

[pale aspen]

Ohhh gotcha

[hybrid gazelle]

||cosnider this dialogue it could imply the player themselves have similar origin to something like Anathema||

[slim belfry]

she looks at who she's talking to too 🥲

[cedar kernel]

They always faced me during that I think

Idk

It felt like it

[hybrid gazelle]

||Where they are a spark that later be form by their own experience||

[cedar kernel]

I think I went too close to them

[formal bridge]

||random theory i came up with: player is the latent material realm beast||

[summer bluff]

zhiraok kinda has a high pitched talking voice ingame ngl

[cedar kernel]

||could we be the natural realm beast?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||How I interpret this is that just like Anathema, player is a spark that been formed by thir own experience playing the game||

[cedar kernel]

||like some kind of overworld beast?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Phsyical plane is not a realm, why would it has realm beast||

[formal bridge]

Aw, came up with the same idea at the same time lmao

[slim belfry]

clearly ||we are the void beast||

heck ||maybe we're the twilight beast||

[formal bridge]

||I mean it is still a place of magic. We don't have anything that says it couldn't have one||

[cedar kernel]

||What if it took on the properties of a realm through the constant exposure though?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||We do not have evidence of there being an entity that represent physical plane because of what it is so no||

[hybrid gazelle]

||we dont have evidence of that so no||

[drifting aurora]

yea this is the issue

[hybrid gazelle]

||this is how she refer to when talking to spark and blankslate||

[vestal rivet]

man
passing by here without clicking the spoilers feels like reading the ep files
nothing is shown that matters lol

[hybrid gazelle]

it just to be safe

[cedar kernel]

Is this an invis wall change moment lmfao

[drifting aurora]

no

[gleaming apex]

I mean you could take it that way but I thought of it as just something she knew about

[cedar kernel]

Huh

[drifting aurora]

i dont know how to fix it neatly tbh

but it needs fixing

[cedar kernel]

Yeah putting the player in a specific spot wouldn’t be neat

[hybrid gazelle]

||the word spark and blank slate often use to describe of how she came into existence

The personality that she took from the experience she had in her existence||

[slim belfry]

"you there with the purple hair and dress that's not the player"

[hybrid gazelle]

||as palyer character is up to intereptation, they essentailyl come from "nothing" and their spark shape by the experience that they been throughout the game||

[slim belfry]

maybe she can address that she's speaking to everyone beforehand?

[hybrid gazelle]

||so player character origin definitely something that Anathema coudl not see but also vague enough to open intereptation by the player||

[drifting aurora]

i like the player character crumbs

[hybrid gazelle]

||the idea of player character being open up to intereptation and the devs do not want to force the players need to be kept in mind||

||these are just crumbs to a mystery that will never be answer until you come up with the answer yourself||

||there something liek this in media before||

[paper wyvern]

||don't forget about apotheosis||

[formal bridge]

||I still feel like open to interpretation doesn't mean literally EVERYTHING is up to interpretation. As I said, the skyrim solution works as well. We have one thing defined which is the special thing Anathema pointed out, and the rest is undefined. I think saying literally everything ever about them being undefined is taking the statement too literally||

[slim belfry]

||apotheosis leans into the interpretation aspect too because of the dual options of helping to drawing your power||

[burnt robin]

woah wtf

THERES NPCS

IN THE HIVE NOW

[hybrid gazelle]

||I think it's something like Roko's basilik||

[burnt robin]

AND THEYRE ALL TALKING ABOUT GETTING COOKED

WTF

[slim belfry]

notice what the skins are

[hybrid gazelle]

||You will never be statisfy with the answer or meaning

because there is no answer unless you took it upon yourself to fill the gap and make your own meaning||

||Just like Anathema herself, she choose to be what she is from her experience||

[drifting aurora]

me when ||theres a bottomless well in me||

[paper wyvern]

||Reach into the bottomless well.
. . .
For a moment, you feel nothing.
Is this your reflection? Emptiness?
It is. But it is also not. There was something here, once - you have caught glimpses of it before... but no longer.
And yet, you seem hardly affected by the lack...
It is still with you, you think. Taken and buried, buried deep, deep down, where you would never find it again.
Is this the source of your strength?
Whatever it was... you have not yet lost it. Something remains, something is hidden within that bottomless well... you only need to reach it.
Reach out.
A strand. Brittle, fraying, but... it is there. Colourless, transparent... but it. Is. There.
Pull on it.
A sudden rush of colour and light and energy and life, illuminating the unending emptiness - you can see now the extent, the sheer magnitude of this hole within your self-
You feel a deep, deep loss. Pain, anger, desperation, regret - and not all of it your own. A weight of something you cannot comprehend, cannot know.
The last thing you feel in this cavernous space is a quiet, mourning melody. You have never heard it before. But your soul knows it well.
The screen is no longer black.
You regain awareness. You look into your hand, at the charm gripped tight. It is charged.
Holding it, the sensation is unlike anything you have ever felt before. Energizing glow, soil and steel, raging ocean, and... something else. A melody, now known.
This is from apotheosis||

[formal bridge]

||I just feel it'd be narratively unsatisfying if the answer to the mysterious power was "and you get to decide what that means!"||

[hybrid gazelle]

||it never is||

I talk about this before

[burnt robin]

???

[slim belfry]

class mascots lol

[hybrid gazelle]

it's up to you deciding how your experience through wynncraft shape your character

ecause again

it's blank slate

[formal bridge]

yeah but

[summer bluff]

||guys can we talk about like. the nasins or smth||

[hybrid gazelle]

that the entire reason why fruma queen send recruits out

[burnt robin]

ohh right

i was wondering

[hybrid gazelle]

you are blank slate shaped by your own experience and time out in the world

[formal bridge]

I just think that wouldn't eb satisfying narratively or thematically

[drifting aurora]

No

[burnt robin]

hm

[formal bridge]

you can have a character be a blank slate thematically without literally defining nothing about them

[paper wyvern]

Your soul says it quite well in point of no return

[summer bluff]

😔

[hybrid gazelle]

how is it not satisfying narratively when it litertally fit what the queen said

[formal bridge]

Because it's too literal

[hybrid gazelle]

you are a blank slate that shaped by experience outside world

[formal bridge]

the story isn't laeding up to that

[hybrid gazelle]

how

fruma queen literally said it herself

there is a value to that

[formal bridge]

It's asking a question and then flipping the middle finger for wanting the answer

[hybrid gazelle]

there ALWAYS value to that

you did find the answer

[slim belfry]

oh gosh yeah point of return addresses this

[formal bridge]

esp with the vague hint at the end of the raid that SOMETHING is there

[paper wyvern]

I may not be able to speak in the physical realm...
But your actions... Your deeds... They shape me, hurt me, heal me.
Choose our path wisely.

[formal bridge]

what if I want it to be nothing? what if that's my interpretation

[hybrid gazelle]

these vague hints are simply foundatuion that you can use for your own interptation

[formal bridge]

my character is just an ordinary person who happened to be good at things

[hybrid gazelle]

then that is your interptation

you made the sandwich LOL

[formal bridge]

then wtf is those dialogue choice about

then that doesn't make sense

[slim belfry]

but we didn't make the ingredients yeah

[formal bridge]

then your 'open to interpretation' argument means literally nothing when it can contradict the story

[slim belfry]

we still made the sandwich tho

[hybrid gazelle]

how is player character being up to interptation contradict with the story

[formal bridge]

to bring it back to my skyrim example

[hybrid gazelle]

when the entire story is us started from being blanks late

[summer bluff]

i mean a lotta bs has happened to us after being kicked out of fruma

[formal bridge]

Imagine if the answer to why you can use shouts and all this stuff is "idk you tell me"

these are questions the story itself is asking and having characters point out

It isn't leading up to "up to your interpretation"

The character is too defined, even in certain aspects

[slim belfry]

shouts is an entirely different issue because it's based upon gameplay

[summer bluff]

the ct mages let you control the wind to carry your voice if you pay them
same with cosmetics

[formal bridge]

Story and gameplay sense both need to make sense though

[round wraith]

me when i go to all you can eat sushi

[formal bridge]

like if we are just an ordinary person cause that's my interpretation ||how do we revive zhiraok||

[drifting aurora]

maybe the player is actually

[round wraith]

u can use ur weapon

[formal bridge]

You can't have one dialogue choice be canon and not the other when it comes to a fundamental aspect of the player character

[hybrid gazelle]

I discuss this before with someone else

[round wraith]

do u htink telling tasim to khs is canon

[hybrid gazelle]

story and gamepaly still make sense if player up to intereptation

[formal bridge]

I think that all those choices should be able to be canon

[hybrid gazelle]

both can still exist

[drifting aurora]

fucked up

[regal spire]

Why even have that option lmao

[formal bridge]

including being a jerk to tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

tehy are canon

to your experience

[formal bridge]

ok

then if we go with the weapon choice ||wtf is anathema talking about||

[burnt robin]

damn

so gale is actually a ||nasin||

[slim belfry]

people really hate tasim now and they can voice it out lol

[hybrid gazelle]

again liek I said

[drifting aurora]

i think there are people out there who would be angry enough at him at that point to say that to him

[hybrid gazelle]

it only unstatisfy if you choose it to be unsatisfying

[burnt robin]

YES

[hybrid gazelle]

beside

[burnt robin]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

WE LOVE TO SEE IT

:D

[regal spire]

Not in Wynn world; ik they go to death’s realm

[formal bridge]

so if I go weapon choice, and then have ||anathema point out something is hidden deep within us||

[round wraith]

im os glad its there

[formal bridge]

then that is just bad writing

cause now it's contradictory

[slim belfry]

oh no

[hybrid gazelle]

you cant expect writers to live forever

they come and go as they write many thing for our character to experience

However one thing that will stay constant is YOU

[formal bridge]

you are waxing poetic instead of addressing my point

[exotic bough]

on the topic of the dialogue options with tasim at the dam

[drifting aurora]

keep in mind that the bottomless well exists regardless of whether or not you pick that option. two points it out in ensemble

(i know this adds to your point i just thought it worth stating)

[formal bridge]

EXACTLY

THANK YOU

wtf is the bottomless well then if we're supposed to have it 'up to interpretation'

what is all the mystery and stuff for if the answer is no answer

[regal spire]

“Bottomless well” is just the black screen of our computer, reflecting our greasy faces back at it

[hybrid gazelle]

it a simply a piece to lay our foundation

[formal bridge]

That is just bad and unsatisfying writing if it's a complete shrug

[drifting aurora]

true...

[slim belfry]

[formal bridge]

I don't want a fill in the blank answer

[hybrid gazelle]

similar to "we came from Fruma"

[exotic bough]

i want the ||post-apotheosis cutscene to have changing dialogue/interaction depending on what you said. ig silent or neutral option is the same while if you tell tasim to die he just looks at you and leaves||

[formal bridge]

what's the point of speculating about this if we're supposed to not have any definitive answers

[hybrid gazelle]

because that just how it is

[drifting aurora]

oh thats true

[formal bridge]

then that is dumb

[regal spire]

Because the answer would be meta breaking

[drifting aurora]

i can add it to my list

[formal bridge]

and I would hate that to be the case

[regal spire]

We are the bottomless well, bro

Us, smacking away at our computer

[tough axle]

I like to think we are like the hollow knight

[hybrid gazelle]

It's dumb if you make it dumb

by making it your own intereptation wynncraft story have more perosnal meaning to you and how it shape your experience while you playing it

[tough axle]

The first one anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

caue again

[formal bridge]

but the hollow knight has a reason for being that way

[tough axle]

A bottomless pit with something in it

[hybrid gazelle]

as the queen slate

A blank slate

there is value to it

[formal bridge]

Like

If we just have it be

[regal spire]

One day, we took control of a random person, and completely rid of their lives to live out our dreams

[dim plover]

I think it’s lost in the Hero Beta channel now but I have plans to make a suggestion post on the forums on adding the five class characters as actual characters

They’ll be like an Afelis sort of situation where you’ll occasionally meet the five of them just traveling around while you’re doing your own adventures

[formal bridge]

"the memory wipe wiped away too much and now something spooky happened"

I'd be fine with at least that much

[drifting aurora]

i'm currently unsure how far out im gonna follow through on the different options when writing future quests

[formal bridge]

I just want something in story to address it, not just hint at it

[dim plover]

But like, more complex than Afelis because I want them to be really interactable

[tough axle]

Solar the issue is we might not even be from fruma

[drifting aurora]

at some point im gonna have to converge them for my own sanity

[slim belfry]

||if the queen looked into the spark of a proffer she instantly dies||

[hybrid gazelle]

you see unsatisfifcation in narrative but that narrative open so much wonderful creation that i seen in the community

so many OCs been made that shaped by the experience people have playing this game

[formal bridge]

Im not saying that

You are again

waxing poetic

[drifting aurora]

it can be both

[formal bridge]

I just want something to address why it's there

[tough axle]

||We have no backstory and the queen doesn’t know who we are, we find no reference of us in any documents… so we don’t know who we are ||

[formal bridge]

Even just like

[drifting aurora]

we've planted this seed and it is something we will follow up on

[formal bridge]

have someone give like 5 different answers and end with "or maybe it's something else"

[hybrid gazelle]

that awesome

[formal bridge]

I want it to be talked about in story

that's my main point

[tough axle]

Seed.. flower… BLOOMI!!!

[hybrid gazelle]

well Sui did mention a lot about ocean

[drifting aurora]

holy crap . . .

[formal bridge]

I want it to be a part of the player character, even if it's meant to be vague what it is

[regal spire]

They should mention the model of our CPU being the real source of our power

[gleaming apex]

Like I do think we should have some sort of background, even if it's somewhat open ended

[formal bridge]

^

[hybrid gazelle]

we did

[tough axle]

What if the power was the friends we made along the way

[formal bridge]

We should feel like we are a part of the world

[hybrid gazelle]

we are tho

[formal bridge]

I don't like the idea of it never being even hinted at as an answer

[tough axle]

The issue to me is that we aren’t

[slim belfry]

huh

[formal bridge]

cause your responses so far imply that we would never even have like, a hint of what it's about

[dim plover]

I now picture some fella sitting at a wooden table in a dark room with an ink bottle with a feather and parchment with stuff written on it and single candle leaking hot white wax and the person just taking globs of the leaked wax and slathering it across the parchment just ruining it

(I have no idea what that phrase means)

[hybrid gazelle]

nope I did not say that

liek I said

[tough axle]

There is no recollection of us existing outside of us coming from the wagon to the front of ragni

[hybrid gazelle]

CT give us foundation for something we can build upon

that include the well

[formal bridge]

My point is

I want the story to acknowledge it

[hybrid gazelle]

they will

as Lexnt said

[tough axle]

We have the dern beast where is Mr beast

[formal bridge]

then that's all I wanted

as I'm said, I'm fine with it if it works in the story itself

[dim plover]

Won’t that be Orphion

He uses male pronouns