📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

That actual valid reason to call him idiot

[brave rune]

despite the lack of quests corkus punched way above its weight on release and still does

[hybrid gazelle]

Dern update likely gonna take a longgggggg while

[gleaming mesa]

Why didn’t Fruma release with wastelands

[paper wyvern]

yeah envoy and feathers fly still decently hold up

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause it not important to the main story

[sacred hazel]

Yo I finished the fruma raid and came back to the leafs gang in Auburn forest and there is no one here idk what to do

[azure tangle]

did you check everywhere?

[gleaming mesa]

How big will wastelands be?

[sacred hazel]

whole building

[hybrid gazelle]

You can see on the map

[azure tangle]

outside?

[hybrid gazelle]

It not that big but it’s long

[sacred hazel]

yes

[azure tangle]

||the graveyard?||

[hybrid gazelle]

We likely get area remake like corkus and other rework in storyline before we get into Dern

[sacred hazel]

where is it?

[azure tangle]

right outside

if looking at entrance to the right

[brave rune]

our map is almost rectangular

ALMOST

we're so close

[sacred hazel]

oh i see Tasim there

ty man

[brave rune]

fruma probably had to be smaller than planned 10 years ago bc of corkus huh

[hybrid gazelle]

Don’t think so

[brave rune]

i havent played fruma yet bc im doing a full playthrough so i guess its silly for me to say this

but i hope next update is ocean update

[hybrid gazelle]

Corkus is biggest candidate to get full makeover because it few place out there that small enough

Ocean is another can of worms

Because there just a lot of factors

So it harder to remake compare to corkus

[brave rune]

ocean needs to be like

scarier

more atmospheric

deeper

wetter

huh wait who said that

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like corkus rework is more plausible

And beside like

That fucking place need makeover to save it

It does not even have a biome

[brave rune]

corkus?

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s that bad

Everytime when ct talk about corkus I never heard anyone hate corkus more than them lmaoooo

[brave rune]

crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

It was such an old region with barely any planning

[brave rune]

artists are their own biggest critics ig

[hybrid gazelle]

There is no biome

The theming is unpolish and unexplored

[brave rune]

i personally love the topography

[hybrid gazelle]

The lore is shallow

[brave rune]

the mountainous aspect makes traversing interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay but imagine those mountain area fresh out to be its own biome

Imagine entire corkus island get remake to have an actual biome

[sacred hazel]

idk guys i found tasim in graveyard but he just said see ya soon, there was also a letter but i see no gang here

[brave rune]

that would be cool

i dont deny that

but i think ocean stands out more

hopefully they get to get rid of the 1.8 soon

and take us to the new world types with higher elevation

[azure tangle]

sounds like that will take years for that to happen

[hybrid gazelle]

The problem with ocean rhat it still too big

And also chaotic in term of level range

So the ocean update would be grandual

Rather than all at once

[brave rune]

i mean

my take is that a lot of the islands are fine

i think exploring the ocean itself should have something more

[hybrid gazelle]

Pft yeah sure lmaooo

[brave rune]

i do love the seaskipper but it does kind of skip the incentive to explore a barren ocean

if they fix the mounts i could imagine some cool potential for ocean activities

not island activities

riding out to the middle of the ocean to fight a kraken

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe someday when they discover a tech to allow the world y level to go deeper

[brave rune]

yea

or elaboration on the calming of the waves

maybe there's a quest where that goes wrong and there are storms you have to deal with

[hybrid gazelle]

Ocean desperately need remake because there are potential

It just tjose potential did not exist yet during the time of it development

[brave rune]

i love the silent expanse bc they leaned into the eldritch theme

i think fundamentally wynncraft has a lot of themes of horror and despair

the vastness of the ocean is threatening in not too different a way from the vastness of the unknown

also a reason i love the void

[hybrid gazelle]

Ocean being relatively open place

Should be more about untamed wild

[brave rune]

yea

[hybrid gazelle]

With pirates running around

[brave rune]

honestly if they added some sort of mount system for oceans (or made wyverns work)

i would argue the ocean should be increased in size

with more room between islands

[gleaming apex]

What they should do is make use of the shores on the sides. I was flying around the ocean earlier and it's actually some pretty good terrain

[brave rune]

push gavel back by 2000 blocks

boom giant ocean

[gleaming apex]

Uhhhh maybe a bit large

[hybrid gazelle]

I have whole as sides about there different type of pirates

[azure tangle]

Would be cool, but would be hell for development

[hybrid gazelle]

Like corkian pirates, Gavelian pirates, or Wynnic pirates

[azure tangle]

everything would need to be updated if ocean were to be expanded

[sacred hazel]

what about grook pirates

[azure tangle]

so many teleports quest regions etc

[brave rune]

ofc

coordinates would suck

maybe some sort of special ocean traveling

you can choose to explore the ocean

[open depot]

How do I use horses now? What are enclosures?

[winged narwhal]

Can’t wait for the boat mount

[brave rune]

i still haven't explored the outer void yet i should do that

but i like how the void keeps getting expanded

the space between reality is a great setting

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea of the main plot of the ocean beinf selchar being recently establish settlement by villager

Try to expanding out to get control of the ocean

[paper wyvern]

and you could have pirate island as the neutral ground for offloading loot

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah extactly

Tbh I also want to make red beard into cultist pirate

[paper wyvern]

More ocean cults stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

But I probably scrap that

One idea I have for ice islands rhat it now remake into a genuine nations

Where it ongoing conflict between dujgon and nodguj nations in whcih the first simply make a living by raiding ships and other islands while other simply just trade

I also have this whole lore about the ice islanders are actually descendent of Nemract people after they try to set out to sea to escape corruption during the fall of ancient Nemract

[round wraith]

sea wasnt calmed then tho

[brave rune]

yea so the jorney must have been tough

[round wraith]

it wouldnt have been possible

[brave rune]

ocean-wide world event where a storm prevents all ship-based travel

[round wraith]

u fight a big kraken

[brave rune]

if you try you get teleported to a boss fight

that seems not too difficult if the world event region could be adjusted to be not just circular

you can try to cross the ocean

but you have to fight for it

[gleaming mesa]

Guys as someone who has written for Wynncraft

[brave rune]

who

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that why they crashed on frozen death island lol

Do you think they landed there by choice?

[gleaming mesa]

Let me answer all your lore questions

[round wraith]

no travel is possible when the seas arent calm

imo

[round wraith]

when do lari and bakal have children

[gleaming mesa]

Yep this is true

[gleaming mesa]

After you find the window of time (part of the house of time)

[hybrid gazelle]

Either away I throne it morr interesting backstory for ice island

And no stormy sea still possible

It just that you gonna end up in unsurvivable island with no way back

That just how it is

Which happen to these people I mention

When they rather go out into chaotic sea than to stay in their city

[gleaming mesa]

I have legitimately written for Wynncraft though guys

[winged narwhal]

Is Jenprest single

[gleaming mesa]

Depends on how you ask

[hybrid gazelle]

There also like

Another remake idea I have for dead island

Which is to basically remove every goddam mobs

[gleaming mesa]

I think Fruma needs a remake

[hybrid gazelle]

And make it a silent overgrown island

[brave rune]

historically stormy seas were not always the most feared by sailors

but calm seas

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh we don’t really know the detail yet

[brave rune]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertropical_Convergence_Zone#Hazards

[gleaming mesa]

Bear island main quest is coming soon

[hybrid gazelle]

Is it like

Really really chaotic seawhwre your ship instantly turn over from the wave or what

I think it could be cool if dead island just has no quest

No mobs

Just overgrown forest with utter silence ost

I thjnk it would be very eerily place to come across

Idk ther so much shit I wanna see being remake in ocean

Like imagine selchar rebuild

But Honeslty still has no hope for full on ocean rework

But on topic of rework I wanna see how they would do Nemract

That place need rebuild and rework in quest lol

[winged narwhal]

I think the area that needs reworking the most atm is Dernel

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah ofc jungle got that

Fuck ass writing from 2016

But that mid game

It seems they slowly working toward that

So rn candidate for next rework is Nemract or almuj

[winged narwhal]

Troms and Nessak have seen some love semi recently

But the jungle and ocean have some of the oldest dogshit in the game

[winged narwhal]

Didn’t they do Almuj already

[hybrid gazelle]

No

It just one quest

And one area

Sst did not even get remake

Recent update is the bank and that it

[winged narwhal]

Can’t wait for Wynn Reborn

[hybrid gazelle]

Progression wise I think Nemract is fol candidate for rework

Cause it next in progression

I think Nemract quest need rework with Charon being main villain

Lost tower need remake

Ancient Nemract rebuild into its own region would be neat too

Pit of the dead is self explaintory

[gleaming apex]

Yeah everything from nemract is the most basic villain of the week baloney

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think there anything wrong with dwelling wall

It just like

The fucking quest is 98% puzzle like

Once you play it

That quest is barely a quest

[gleaming apex]

Is that the house one?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

If it come to it

I would like not care if dwelling wall get remove and replace by quest with more meat

Like I don’t think anyone care

Except contrarian

Also the idea of someone rich enough to habe corkian architecture house build in nemrCt

Is definitely a choice

Like mf use all the money to build expensive house and not

Just fucking leave???

[summer bluff]

Dernal jungle doesn't even have any sds and I think that's a little crazy ngl

[winged narwhal]

Even Nemract has some more modernized quests/content. Dernal is entirely a relic

Back when Wynnex was cutting edge

Does Wynnex still have pigman npcs

[warm flicker]

i want to see a satirical rewriting of Fruma's questline but in the style of 2016 quest-writing lmao

[solar ingot]

chat, do we have ult discovery on fruma?

[paper wyvern]

Yes

[winged narwhal]

in the big 26?

[shut hornet]

not yet

[gleaming apex]

Ult Fruma discovery should be the queen and all the sovereigns doing a dance routine in front of the castle, sorta like Thriller

[solar ingot]

nah, ult discovery will probably be how the queen got into fruma

ult discoveries are VERY straight-forward on the lore

[gleaming apex]

Let's see, instead of taking our records and getting a passport in Espren, we would just murder all the guards(no consequences of course), then walk off for a 10s introduction to the Leaves. Then we would just break into Zhiraoks house and take some convenient all purpose passes into the Industrial District. We then fight Zhiraok and he just runs off after. This would also all happen one after the other with no time passing

[shut hornet]

there will be an ult discovery for each region

except aelumia

[quaint wing]

So, I just did the Misadventures at sea quest, and something is off

You get kidnapped by pirates, escape, and then you just so happen to be saved by the guy who sails you around.

The one who said nobody else is trustworthy, AND he proceeds to allow you to sail to the fishing town (I forgot the name) for free, weird right?

Almost like he set it up to make you only want to use his sailing service, HMMMMMMMM

[solar ingot]

are the rest of secret discoveries on the game already? like just missing the ults?

[gleaming apex]

I think so

[quaint wing]

ANOTHER THING, WHY would a Pirate ship have a human cannon, and WHY did you end up on an island? And HOW did the seaskipper just so happen to pass by it?

THE ENTIRE THING IS SO INSANELY SUSPICOUS.

[hexed birch]

Seaskipper works for the colossal rat cartel

[quaint wing]

What

Your joking

[warm flicker]

peak writing why did we ever move on from this

[warm flicker]

but wait, wheres the obligatory fetch quest portion?

[gleaming apex]

That's for the industrial district, we can't have too much content in one place

[mild elbow]

quite a few secret discoveries seem to be broken lmao

[ornate turret]

Nah Rex went from hating out guts to losing an arm for us

[long basin]

just found this? anyone know the translation for the other language?

[exotic bough]

its the same thing but translated into old fruman

(https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621)

[long basin]

ohh interesting

so wait

the underwater secret disco in hy has a translation then right

[exotic bough]

not sure if it has been translated yet

[winged narwhal]

Is that the Old Fruman Rosetta Stone

[exotic bough]

rosetta 2 yeah

[quartz mist]

||no, her name's been there since the start of gavel basically, albeit at first it was all blocked off on accident due to a worldedit fuckup||

[brave rune]

The one with the winged serpent?

[long basin]

yeah

[brave rune]

That one is weird

[long basin]

i hate not being able to translate stuff i feel like im missing out on so much lore 😭

[brave rune]

All I can tell you is the first word refers to the serpent

Nasakreksh or something

[brave rune]

If it makes you feel better

We can’t translate stuff either

[long basin]

x)

[inner flower]

I’ve been playing fruma for a while now but I’m a bit confused, what does “IA and NA” when describing time period mean?

[long basin]

i mean my current understanding of it all was that there was ||a previous civilisation which was essentially wiped by the queens arrival at 0ap||

[brave rune]

Idk

Language shifts can happen for a variety of reasons

[quartz mist]

the tutorial area got redone post-ajh, but the guard literally tells you the cave-in crushed the grook's nest as a handwave, you gotta read my guy

[tribal crystal]

Yes I read that later.

still doesnt change the fact the layout is different.

which is for a future rework

[long basin]

what beta 😭

[serene gate]

They forgor

[long basin]

fruma ready they said 🥀

[rustic nexus]

hey get up to the covered paintings and jump up

like right up next to the wall

[long basin]

i just left the building 😭

im in qira hive gimmie a sec

[rustic nexus]

sob

guess you'll miss it

[long basin]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[long basin]

offtopic but where is gale in qira hive

i swear u can talk to her

[serene gate]

Was there any new discoveries outside of fruma? I noticed the wynn coast and wynn mine had some major changes

[rustic nexus]

where she spawns for blizzard invitation

[long basin]

:clueless:

[rustic nexus]

no new ones

outside of fruma

just some changes

also FUCK I forgot which ones were changed because beta changelogs got wiped

[long basin]

i mean there was some stuff with the mountains around almunj right

nothing major aside from that iirc

[rustic nexus]

OH I thought you meant secret discoveries

yeah there is one

[serene gate]

Personally love the new path between wynn mine and rymek for horse adventures while training and wondered if anything was hidden

[rustic nexus]

bremmyn-hierra

is a new world discovery

[serene gate]

Yeah

[rustic nexus]

and just a new thing in general

[serene gate]

That was what I meant by on the coast

Its p massive

[long basin]

oh is this new?

[rustic nexus]

there's an npc on top of it at one part

[rustic nexus]

yeah

they added some npcs to hive

psure there should be like 4 more next to the thunder, air, water and fire entrances

they tell you about the bosses

[dawn otter]

“Hey how’s Solar Vanguard?”

[slim belfry]

I love that ||they're all the class mascots too||

[long basin]

i wonder....

[winged narwhal]

whats bremmyn hierra

[long basin]

i think i did like 30 attempts of solar before realising bursting it to 200k hp in 5s probably wasnt the best idea

[slim belfry]

the new expanded mountain behind bremminglar

[dawn otter]

Is the particle spam better at least

[serene gate]

I hope the wasteland update adds some non-Fruma post Fruma quests. Take Rex outside the gates and try to find her brother. Take Gale to Fruma. Confront Orphion.

[gusty galleon]

how come tasim doesnt say this is truly our wynncraft at the fruma gate, the theme song is playing and everything

[winged narwhal]

orphion is entirely morally good

i am sure this opinion will not change as i play fruma

[slim belfry]

screw orphion ever since he gave me that test I've had eyes on him as a target ever since

[dawn otter]

Orphion is so morally good to the point of incompetence

Got ambushed by a bug

L

[winged narwhal]

thats... certainly an interpretation of RoL

[serene gate]

||After we go to Dern to kill Saphanis we have to do one last Realm of Light raid but instead of parasite we are just actually killing Orphion for realzies||

[long basin]

💡

[dawn otter]

||Would unironically be a good idea||

Question is how are we gonna do it

[long basin]

it would be cool if you after beating ||the dern boss|| you can fight true orphian or some bs

[slim belfry]

I'd say repetitive but we've had repeated fights before lol

[dawn otter]

Makes me wonder if the Realm of Light is a higher plane of existence like… Heaven?

[serene gate]

||But seriously like, if dealing with Anathema makes Orphion and Saphanis more of a threat, Orphion could become a real danger if Saphanis is dealt with first. ||

[slim belfry]

hard to compare in that way because of how the realms of influence work

[serene gate]

||Honestly, either of them dying will make the other a major problem. Would be nice if the questlines were seperate and the one you did first would make the other one harder by like 10 levels||

[slim belfry]

leaked future fight

[serene gate]

||Part of me just thinks a branching path could be very interesting||

[dawn otter]

Well there is a cosmology map that lists the realm of physicality and the realm of influence

And by map I just mean the stuff the Guardian of the Forest tells us

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wynncraft_gamepedia_en/images/c/cb/RealmsDiagram.png/revision/latest?cb=20210201025331

[winged narwhal]

don't worry ||Orphion|| would never harm us 🙂

[tough axle]

Is there anything on the players backstory in fruma? Based on secret discoveries etc because it feels like virtually NOTHING is mentioned

[serene gate]

There is some parts. Especially a post raid dialogue I believe

[slim belfry]

oh right that

[tough axle]

My computer is broken so I can’t even do the raid

Ugh

I NEED the lore

[slim belfry]

I think of the physical plane and plane of influence being on two separate points on an axis

[winged narwhal]

Just look at how wonderful and peaceful ||the light forest|| is.

[serene gate]

Theres a doc

[tough axle]

It’s eating me from the inside out

[tough axle]

Where!!!

[serene gate]

It was posted here a few times

It has all the post raid dialogue

[slim belfry]

||https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?usp=drivesdk||

[winged narwhal]

He'd never hurt ||his pulse|| 🥰

[slim belfry]

timber which fruma quests have you done

[winged narwhal]

i just finished the first steel feather one

[dawn otter]

I find a lot of these dialogues interesting

[slim belfry]

ah steel feather

[dawn otter]

First is that

[slim belfry]

roughworks my beloved

[winged narwhal]

but i got spoiled on the ||anathema|| thing

[quartz mist]

different machines have different drinks. they always have the same lineup- zhirao sleep solution, majin peacock power, two other drinks, and a drink that has cosmetic variants

[dawn otter]

We know that the place we fight Anathema is the Realm of War, which have two portals.

[slim belfry]

so have many others
but I don't think that'll take away from playing

[dawn otter]

One in the roots and one above the palace

But

Those are rivers of blood

In the roots of corruption it’s lava

Soooo

[winged narwhal]

i mean theres probably different biomes and such

the bit of the light realm we see isn't uniform either

[slim belfry]

going by the realms they're all presumably like this

[serene gate]

I wonder if ||Saphanis or Orphion can do what Anathema did. Make themselves a humansona with the weavey thing and go to the physical plane. I assume the reason for the rifts is without the skinsuit reality was trying to pull her back to the realm of war||

[slim belfry]

TNA void is close to dern if not in it

[dawn otter]

Also I guess the realm of war no longer corrupts people

We got in and we’re just fine

[winged narwhal]

the corruption lore is a mess

[dawn otter]

Theorick tried that and uh

Yeah

[slim belfry]

uh about that

[dawn otter]

Either it’s a retcon

[winged narwhal]

maybe theres corruption gas on the other end of the wynn portal

[dawn otter]

Or we are built different

[serene gate]

Is corruption portal realm of war?

[slim belfry]

blake

have you played the raid

[winged narwhal]

no its the nether

[dawn otter]

Yes

[slim belfry]

do you remember the third "buff" room

[dawn otter]

I haven’t talked to her before

[dawn otter]

Yes

[winged narwhal]

trust

[slim belfry]

there we go

[dawn otter]

If you could call it a buff room

[slim belfry]

that's all I need to say

[serene gate]

||What was there||

[slim belfry]

||the debuffs is a result of corruption taking ahold of you||

[dawn otter]

Yes

[serene gate]

Ah. I havent gotten to that part lol

[dawn otter]

But

Theorick was not able to survive it even after he escaped

[serene gate]

Yeah I havent been able to do the raid

[dawn otter]

We did

So

That’s my point

Theorick had to quarantine himself

[serene gate]

Theorick went in alone

[winged narwhal]

Theorick is also weaker than the average Fruman lumberjack

[serene gate]

He probably barely made it out

[slim belfry]

yeah that's just player being player

[serene gate]

So wait, is corruption not dernic? I always assumed it was

[slim belfry]

no

[rotund gust]

i mean, game stats yes, lore wise no

[winged narwhal]

Anyways can’t wait for the quest to confirm corruption serves Dern

[drifting aurora]

||you should note that the rift above the palace is different in nature to the realm of war portal in the roots||

[tough axle]

Ok after reading what anathema said about us I mean wow

How do I create a spoiler on my text?

[drifting aurora]

take it as a difference in exposure

[serene gate]

||Annie... Anathema... wait||

[winged narwhal]

I choose to believe that in lore the Fruman cockroaches are stronger than Garoth

[slim belfry]

select your text then chose mark as spoiler

[winged narwhal]

Two vertical slashes on each end

[slim belfry]

😭

no????

[tough axle]

||so we are essentially like the hollow knight? That’s what I got from that interaction. There is nothing in us||

[drifting aurora]

||your text here||

[serene gate]

||Do you guys think Annie is like, a new being made to replace Anathema since she left realm of war?||

[rustic nexus]

no

||annie is just another devil I think||

||since WTP shows SEVERAL annis exist||

[serene gate]

Visually they are very similar no?

[dawn otter]

So from what I understand

[tough axle]

Why did people sob react this am I wrong 😭

[rustic nexus]

not... really?

[dawn otter]

The roots are more volatile

Or at least

[serene gate]

||Well we did beat a moth god...||

[slim belfry]

idk I think it's because we still don't have enough info even after this?

[dawn otter]

The closer to the roots portal?

I need to start spoilering stuff

[drifting aurora]

go down postraid branch.... 5? i think? for ||portal/rift|| stuff

[rustic nexus]

shouldn't the postraid gdoc be pinned

or is that still too spoilery

[drifting aurora]

shrug

[burnt zodiac]

oh hey lore

[drifting aurora]

ideally they just transcribe it all on the wiki

[granite halo]

Say, any idea what the ||secret message in the diaries|| has to do in The Strong Survive? Managed to collect five and it spells out this:

||```diary 1
-- N--- -- -I---
diary 2
-Y ---- -- ---E-
diary 3
-- -A-- I- -----
diary 4
M- ---- -- --R--
diary 5
-- --M- -- N---N

MY NAM- I- NIREN```||

[burnt zodiac]

havent rlly read this channel yet

[burnt zodiac]

any fun theories goin on?

[rustic nexus]

||my name is niren||

[drifting aurora]

i think fruma is big

[rustic nexus]

I think fruma is cool

[granite halo]

||I know that lol, but I'm curious what the importance of the name is||

[past plover]

||I fear there's war in Fruma||

[rustic nexus]

||say the code to the door up the spiral staircase||

[warm flicker]

i do not think fruma is big

[warm flicker]

METAMORPHOSIS OF THE STAGE

[granite halo]

||dammit I completely missed that||

[rustic nexus]

preposterous...

[rustic nexus]

not THAT one

[winged narwhal]

Isn't that ||Gale's last name||

[rustic nexus]

NO!?!??!

[slim belfry]

no

[rustic nexus]

😭

[past plover]

Though I have question ||did somebody actually expected War to be in Fruma?||

[slim belfry]

it's only relevant to the quest it's in

[rustic nexus]

||GALE'S LAST NAME IS NASIN, LIKE THE HOUSE NASIN, WHERE ZHIRAOK IS FROM||

[rustic nexus]

yes

not the way it got there

[winged narwhal]

wait fuck that's ||nasin||

[slim belfry]

oh who said that

[warm flicker]

no? her last name's always been ||Niren||, are u having delusions again?

[rustic nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019022196741517405/1437867822792446022/attachment.gif

[past plover]

||But I mean if somebody actually expected embodiment||

[rustic nexus]

oh

idk

[tough axle]

Guys don’t worry about Dern I will take care of it

[rustic nexus]

I didn't expect that specifically

[warm flicker]

Hubert fan number 32 what would we do without you

[tough axle]

Exactly

The real realm is Hubert

[dawn otter]

|| Anathema: Orphion.... Saphanis.... when they come.... for this world.... you will die.|| what does this mean?

[slim belfry]

I think the closest is like me expecting ||corruption led by bak'al to declare war on fruma or

queen is twilight beast||

[rustic nexus]

not a big raid spoiler but I'm a huge fan of the boss cutscene starting with the players showing up

[drifting aurora]

i think its pretty self explanatory

[warm flicker]

||Saphanis is the name of the Dern Beast||

[quartz mist]

You can find a grave in the tunnels behind the Hive

[dawn otter]

I know that

[granite halo]

||oh neat looks like you can do it even after completing the quest. HOWEVER you need more than five?? Even though you can easily deduce the answer with just five?????||

[serene gate]

Wait is gale dead

[winged narwhal]

||when orphion and saphanis come for this world you will die||

[granite halo]

||anyways wheres the sixth I ain't entertaining goofy design choices||

[rustic nexus]

duh

[tough axle]

|| is orphion not actually good ? He seemed cool D: ||

[winged narwhal]

shes a ghost

[rustic nexus]

she's a ghost

[dawn otter]

Also I still can’t find this

[burnt zodiac]

WTP boss arena:

[slim belfry]

you can ask her yourself

[dawn otter]

I went to the 5th branch or smth

[serene gate]

I just thought they had windy powers and turned pale or something

[warm flicker]

||L I G H T. A B O V E. A L L||

[slim belfry]

I mean

she could be

[serene gate]

Or they werent human

[tough axle]

I see

[rustic nexus]

||why did they make the og orphion floor attack but good this time|| for wtp

[winged narwhal]

||he is entirely morally good dw. he loves his Pulse and would never hurt them 🥰 ||

[rustic nexus]

it should've been lost to time...

[burnt zodiac]

i dont know the boss mechanics yet :(((

[rustic nexus]

op

my fault

[burnt zodiac]

(i am but a humble lvl 117)

[tough axle]

Hubert fan 32 will take care of this and if that doesn’t work Hubert fan 33 will

[serene gate]

Time you say

[slim belfry]

snerp how much do you know after your current point

[warm flicker]

barely out of the tutorial huh

[winged narwhal]

is ancient gavellian also irish

[rustic nexus]

||two tells us the light fakes being good to get their way, LITERALLY doing puppy eyes smh||

[burnt zodiac]

ive fought the raid boss once on beta, but had no clue what the hell was going on

[slim belfry]

lol

[warm flicker]

dont think so, but the Dern beast has a unique Wynnic dialect where everything he says is in Irish

[tough axle]

Do you guys think Hubert could beat dern beast

[rustic nexus]

that's the eye

[tough axle]

Realistically

[rustic nexus]

no

[burnt zodiac]

the irish

[warm flicker]

goddamn their eye is bilingual??

[slim belfry]

oh right I forgot about that

[rustic nexus]

dern beast read irish books with one eye and english books with the other eye

[winged narwhal]

||i mean the light forest was kinda a warning sign about Orph- The light is pure, and good, and healthy. Orphion can do no wrong.||

[warm flicker]

never trust the Irish, they might just be the Dern Beast's Eye in disguise

[burnt zodiac]

must be so weird for irish speakers playing wynn

[drifting aurora]

i thought itd be cool and we could do it good this time

[rustic nexus]

it is cool

but I still have ptsd...

pure red floors...

[warm flicker]

it uses the old wynnic symbols so it still looks like gibberish

[rotund gust]

old orphion was certainly a boss

[drifting aurora]

cope

[serene gate]

Funny idea for blizzard festival: ||final invite is Orphion. To do it you have to have soosu fix the weaver and make a shell for him so you can take him to detlas. Nothing bad can come of this||

[rotund gust]

wait actually are we gonna be able to invite fruma characters next blizzard

[warm flicker]

the furries would go wild for this

[rustic nexus]

probably not

probably gotta wait for post-raid chapter

before anyone leaves fruma besides us

[winged narwhal]

would he have ||antlers and such|| like how ||the fruman queen has bug hair||

[serene gate]

Blizzard fest would be a great excuse to add character portraits for existing characters

[rustic nexus]

||and that one guys from the strong survive||

[slim belfry]

once again
artists 100 steps ahead making human orphion

[winged narwhal]

when does seaskipper get a portrait

[digital swan]

human trafficking option?

[warm flicker]

lexnt please i need the alternate dialogue path with tasim i have to tell him before its too late

[rustic nexus]

seaskipper doesn't even use the new system 😭

[winged narwhal]

I'm sure Orph Floof Enjoyer is normal about the new ideas proposed

[slim belfry]

uhhhhhhh probably not for a long time for reasons

[serene gate]

Honestly he kinda screams blizzardfest invite

[slim belfry]

we can only guess why

[rustic nexus]

you don't know who I'm referencing

[winged narwhal]

We don't have any villager portraits yet do we

[rustic nexus]

nop

[slim belfry]

nope

[serene gate]

||You mean the one that moves to the capital right?||

[slim belfry]

some of us have a guess why

[digital swan]

:bartek;

[rustic nexus]

no

[gleaming apex]

So I'm finally reading all the different post-raid dialogue options, man there's some crazy stuff

[rustic nexus]

after the strong survive ||you can find the guy that "recruits" you in ragni, as a fresh recruit||

[slim belfry]

HUH

[serene gate]

O h

[slim belfry]

WHERE

[serene gate]

Wait thats crazy

[rustic nexus]

||near the pigman ravine entrance||

[slim belfry]

that's awful and funny

[exotic bough]

Near pigman ravine entrance

[warm flicker]

god that was hilarious and dark simultaneously

[rustic nexus]

you could say

he wasn't a strong survivor

🔥

[serene gate]

I wonder if any other NPCs are added in other places

[warm flicker]

me when i didnt survive strongly

[rustic nexus]

uhhh

there's postraid tasim thing

[slim belfry]

I wouldn't say dark it seems slightly leaning towards war

[winged narwhal]

is it the bit where villagers are a race of greedy big-nosed people

[serene gate]

Theres W h a t

[tough axle]

Honestly considering how shitty fruma is for the average citizen and even soldiers exile actually seems better

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-exploding-exploding-gif-1660358086204318095

[rustic nexus]

I haven't seen it myself but I've been told that it's behind the leaves in the wind hq

[serene gate]

God I need to do this raid already. Ive just been breeding my altasaurs while the ||sky is busy imploding||

[digital swan]

ig

[warm flicker]

||Aledar's grave, made by the leaves when he was originally sent to wynn||

[rustic nexus]

ALTASAUR

😭

[serene gate]

||It hides the mist||

[rustic nexus]

that's an interaction you can have in the first fruma chapter

[winged narwhal]

because making the villagers have the greedy stereotype was certainly a choice

[tough axle]

Where does Gojo satoru fall in all of this

[exotic bough]

On the topic of this (tangentially)

[slim belfry]

well that and this

[warm flicker]

||ive had both interactions, the one with the people who knew him from fruma, and the one with tasim||

[rustic nexus]

he falls in the void and gets lost sorry

[serene gate]

ADASAUR

My bad

[digital swan]

well as I always say
Wynnrat is one of the games where when I imagine the average player they are white as fuck

[exotic bough]

||Why does anathemas boss music have the aldwell motif out of all the fruma songs||

[rustic nexus]

wynnrat

[digital swan]

wynnrat

[slim belfry]

GOSH YEAH
that really stuck out

[tough axle]

Wynnrat

[digital swan]

this person doesn't know the linkrat

[rustic nexus]

||it apparently has all the town themes?||

but I haven't heard them

[serene gate]

Wait... was ||Aledar Rex's brother?||

[warm flicker]

never really bought the whole Orphion being morally good angle because even though we were in the light realm to save Orphion we get attacked anyway, and no them being slightly corrupted is not an excuse thats just a skill issue

[rustic nexus]

also apparently in the ||her majesty boss theme, there's a part that's meant to be a motif from wastelands||

[gleaming apex]

So after reading post-raid stuff do you think that Bob ||found out somehow the way to bind the beasts again and is trying to do that|| since he said he was going to seal something

[drifting aurora]

* explodes *

[rustic nexus]

perchance

[exotic bough]

||caid is||

[serene gate]

OH

Ohhhhhhhh

[warm flicker]

oh my god aledar WAS rex's brother !!!

[whole river]

Isn’t the world tired of Gojo Satoru👴

[rustic nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-3572040316452832612

[burnt zodiac]

rex is GINGER????

[nocturne cave]

100% confirmed

[winged narwhal]

Maybe villagers will be cat people or something after Gavel Reborn 2

[digital swan]

wasn't the point always that orphion is just using you because he's losing, and the moment you help him turn the tide he'll be exactly as awful as the dern beast

[rustic nexus]

yup

[exotic bough]

Rex was in the realm of ginger but defected after smth to be revealed in wastelands. She is gingers lost scion

[tough axle]

I was told her brother was || lucio ||

[winged narwhal]

Rex’s brother is actually Jenprest

[warm flicker]

from my own understanding, that seal aledar and we broke was what Bob created, to hold back the Dern Beast and keep it in the Eldritch Outlook

[shut hornet]

nah guys aledar was rex's brother she just dyed her hair brown instead of its natural ginger because it made her think of him

[nocturne cave]

Jenprest is female lol

[winged narwhal]

She transitioned after the memory wipe

[tough axle]

Which I was like bad news for Rex

[nocturne cave]

Got it

[slim belfry]

these are all correct answers

maybe we're all rex's brother

[gleaming apex]

The biggest mystery of all right now is what is up with the player, because what the heck

[serene gate]

Yall know gingers can have family members who arent ginger

[rustic nexus]

I mean even if he isn't it's still bad news since ||aledar was part of the leaves||

[digital swan]

Rex just has a shit ton of brothers, some former

[winged narwhal]

The player is from Bloomi

[shut hornet]

wait... you mean to tell me that Redbeard wasn't rex's brother?

[warm flicker]

WAIT IS THE PLAYER REX's BROTHER?????

[digital swan]

also rex's brother

[exotic bough]

See gingers lost Scion theory

[digital swan]

no, rex's sister

[winged narwhal]

is there a realm of ginger now

[exotic bough]

Trust

[digital swan]

c f the fact that the skyraiders think you're a skyraider just from the bandana

[winged narwhal]

did they finally change that from a wig

[rustic nexus]

a while ago

[digital swan]

whatever it is

idfk

[rustic nexus]

but they killed the wig merchant

😭

[serene gate]

Is bloomi real I thought it was a meme

[nocturne cave]

Rip

[digital swan]

it is real

[rustic nexus]

it's a meme

[exotic bough]

It is

[tough axle]

It’s a meme

[nocturne cave]

Its real

[digital swan]

it's on my bingo card

[serene gate]

Getting mixed signals

[rustic nexus]

bloomi is as real as morgor

[warm flicker]

its a meme

[digital swan]

both real

[exotic bough]

You know what ill keep my msg ambiguous

[serene gate]

But the content guy said its real so ig its prob coming soon

[shut hornet]

guys btw i remember caid mentions having a sister in fruma, im thinking it might be referring to Soosu, not sure though

[warm flicker]

nah, clearly was talking about ava

[nocturne cave]

Its (a) reame

[rustic nexus]

nah I think caid was talking about elise

[exotic bough]

It’s not ||anathema||?

[serene gate]

Please let us take Soosu to Corkus

[serene gate]

Prowler sfx

[tough axle]

Also can you guys help me teflect on this but it feels like the hyloch character design is very reminiscent of Indian saris. Was there inspiration behind that or are they just really similar

[shut hornet]

probably a little bit inspired

[rustic nexus]

ye

fruma is inspired by asian stuff

[digital swan]

did we seriously forget the rule of "The CT are always lying"

[shut hornet]

fruma is mostly inspired by east asia but it also takes notes from other parts of asia too

including the indian subcontinent

[serene gate]

That cant be true, right content team?

[digital swan]

do they do human wave attacks

[warm flicker]

if fruma released in 2016 it wouldve been a 1:1 recreation of medieval japan with no uniqueness

edit: all made out of cobblestone and wood

[rustic nexus]

you're giving them too much credit

it would be full of cherry blossoms and traditional japansese builds translated into slab spam

[serene gate]

Thanks

[warm flicker]

Frlse

[rustic nexus]

fruema

[nocturne cave]

No problem, glad to be helpful

[exotic bough]

What would ||anathema|| look like if fruma released before gavel

[warm flicker]

every hostile mob would be samurai, shoguns, and ninjas

[gleaming apex]

The biggest revelation of the post-raid dialogue, apparently we actually canonically have potions on us all the time? It feels like their existence is mostly ignored in story

[rustic nexus]

the obvious pick is a wither

but that's too obvious

[nocturne cave]

Rando armour stand with a tnt head

[limber swan]

I just realized this guy is a sovereign

[slim belfry]

||ender dragon's rebellious daughter
0.5x scale ender dragon||

[exotic bough]

First block boss in the game

[shut hornet]

but built out of blocks obviously

[shut hornet]

im realizing he should probably have the sovereign dialogue box

[rustic nexus]

yea

[nocturne cave]

Wait hes a sovereign?

[rustic nexus]

he should

yep

[slim belfry]

yeah

[warm flicker]

no, thats Rex's brother

[rustic nexus]

first mistwoods sovereign iirc?

[gleaming apex]

Like we try to use a potion after the raid, so we actually do have a bunch on us all the time

[serene gate]

To circle back to this btw, blizzard fest isnt canon canon right?

[shut hornet]

not mentioned in the cutscene but other sources reveal he was the sovereign

[exotic bough]

This does take place when ||caetal was sovereign|| right

[nocturne cave]

Oops ct fail ❌ ignore that happened

[serene gate]

Because I still think this would be peak

[shut hornet]

yes

[tough axle]

What would you say the mistwoofs were inspired by?

[rustic nexus]

yes

[burnt zodiac]

Mistwoods lore is some of the most interesting imo so far

[rustic nexus]

it's the event that ||lead to him being removed from the possition||

[exotic bough]

Yeah he should have sovereign dialogue box then

[shut hornet]

probably mostly east asia

[exotic bough]

~~And custom model that would only be used for one cutscene in a minor secret discovery ~~ (half joking)

[tough axle]

That’s interesting, I always assumed it was South Asia just based off of the changelings and skin color of those who reside there

[gleaming apex]

Player canonically chugs potions

[warm flicker]

i thought it was the pacific northwest lol

[burnt zodiac]

Permian era California more like

[tough axle]

LMFAO

[shut hornet]

geographically obviously the pacific northwest

but in terms of the culture i would think its mostly east asian inspired

[exotic bough]

Isn’t roughworks inspired by Victorian England ancient Egypt

[warm flicker]

yeah auburn is the northeast/canada, roughworks is NYC/chicago, mistwoods is the northwest

[burnt zodiac]

Roughworks is just every post industrial UK city 💀 💀

[shut hornet]

roughworks is inspired by general urban crawl type stuff but an especially big inspiration was the kowloon walled city

[exotic bough]

There should unironically be child labor there

[serene gate]

The ||reveal that the one guy was gikyo is so funny because I clocked it the second we met him. But I didnt think be was actually like, a real guy, because what you can slightly see under the mask I kinda just thought he looked like gikyo lol||

[rustic nexus]

what

[serene gate]

I think it was the hair

Poof

[shut hornet]

||rurie is not gikyo||

[rustic nexus]

yeah that

[nocturne cave]

Big up birmingham 🤓

[warm flicker]

is gikyo rex's brother then?

[serene gate]

I know now but like. I totally thought at first it was lol

[shut hornet]

||hes only gikyo during true colours, the rurie before that is real||

[gleaming apex]

I'm so happy now because I can glaze the player even more than ever before

[nocturne cave]

Gikyo is they/them

[dawn otter]

For?

Defeating a realm beast that likely wasn’t at full power?

[serene gate]

Okay, rex's sibling

[gleaming apex]

That one post-raid dialogue

[warm flicker]

apologies, gikyo must be rex's sibling

[rustic nexus]

I love when the player picks up emeralds for no reason in particular :)

[tough axle]

Gikyos human form looked earlier like one of my friends and I can’t get that image out of my head

[exotic bough]

Where is that

[shut hornet]

one of the few indian ct members said the roughworks reminded him of home which i guess is not really a stunning review of india from him

[warm flicker]

as for this, being essentially called the Bottomless Well of potential goes hard

[tough axle]

Yeah I kind of hated that

[winged narwhal]

Wait is caid actually ||rex’s sister||

[serene gate]

Yes

I think so

[tough axle]

It reminded me
Of the dharavi slums

[rustic nexus]

||the gikyo intro scene in true colors, if you go into third person you can see yourself crouching down before them due to the charm stun||

[winged narwhal]

I will maintain my Jenprest headcanon

[tough axle]

It’s an excellent portrayal of severe poverty but the buildings are almost identical to the dharavi slums

[burnt zodiac]

Roughworks is such a funny area having seen it before any of the builds were added

[nocturne cave]

❤️

[gleaming apex]

The one that basically says ||even the beasts don't know the truth of our power||

[nocturne cave]

Its literally just the crops XD

[rustic nexus]

so before soosu

[winged narwhal]

Yeah I can see it

[shut hornet]

tbf most slums look like that

[tough axle]

Home sweet home

[burnt zodiac]

Nah I mean when it was just grass on build

[tough axle]

All of the rough works look like Mumbai

[rustic nexus]

ah

so before the new age

[burnt zodiac]

the contrast is insane

[tough axle]

It’s also where a lot of racism toward Indians stem from for being “unhygienic”

[warm flicker]

||"Hey Soosu, now that the Queen is dead we can finally cut back on the quota and improve our standard of living... right...?"||

[nocturne cave]

Complete before v after

[quartz mist]

"spirit of gale"
pale like a ghost
has a grave

nah definitely still alive

[shut hornet]

unironically it was originally planned to be an agriculture themed area but eventually became industrial so in a sense, yes

[tough axle]

When in reality it’s just severe poverty created through oligarchy and corruption.

[vestal rivet]

Mistwoods have redwoods
we also see maple
looks like asian-inspired architecture in american landscapes tbh

[rustic nexus]

I hope we get to see the agricultural district in a secret/ultimate discovery

[nocturne cave]

We also call the region regularly ‘agri’

[jade whale]

Guys, are we evil?

[exotic bough]

I mean there’s that vignette picture

[rustic nexus]

not quite

[rustic nexus]

more of it

[winged narwhal]

Samsam said earlier it was PNW inspired

[shut hornet]

yeah the internal name for the roughworks is "agri" which is a remnant of that earlier stage in development

[rustic nexus]

cuz that vignette picture shows it in... a pretty poor condition

[vestal rivet]

what is PNW

[paper wyvern]

outside of levetus airbase and cotl debatable

[nocturne cave]

No we just have violent tendencies

[shut hornet]

no only the geography

[dawn otter]

Wanna know something crazier

[digital swan]

nah I've been to India it's perfectly democratic no corruption to see there (THEY HAVE MY FAMILY

[shut hornet]

not the culture

[dawn otter]

We’ve probably defied fate multiple times

[winged narwhal]

What I meant should’ve clarified

[warm flicker]

wait, was it actually intended to be an agricultural district before shifting to industrial? If so its so cool the lore matches that

[vestal rivet]

what is PNW???

[tough axle]

Looks tropical to me but it’s cool

[tough axle]

Pacific north west

My goat

My home!!!

[restive yacht]

it's soosu! dayum

[vestal rivet]

Halo: CE inspirations truly

[shut hornet]

yeah the original idea was that it would be covered in farms and stuff but at some point it shifted to factories and slums

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shoe-lmfao-big-shoe-lmfao-gif-21655557

[shut hornet]

the idea was always that it would be a region themed around labor exploitation though

[vestal rivet]

timeline doesn't remotely match up I think

[restive yacht]

question... what about their skin tone?

[tough axle]

Im so glad we didn’t have to hurt flowers I would have cried

[warm flicker]

older sibling obviously

[burnt zodiac]

Its p funny how the roughworks history is p much just the internal build history of the area

[nocturne cave]

Flowers died off screen

[paper wyvern]

it does make sense cause the industrialization gives it and fruma a much better identity then farmland would have

[nocturne cave]

Jk

[vestal rivet]

Soosu's parents would've died generations before Caid was a sparkle in his da's eye lol

[rustic nexus]

such a treasure

[paper wyvern]

betting that the picture in life before industry is from an early build of the region

[dawn otter]

Anathema: || Was it fate? For me to die here… atop the Crown of this monument… to my failures? Bleached stone, purged of the blight… and still - and STILL!!! - I could not… be freed.
||

[rustic nexus]

still think the face can have some more shading

[tough axle]

Anyways why is tasim basically lari in fruma

[shut hornet]

WHAT??? ok maybe hes referring to the queen then

[restive yacht]

queen left the chat after this statement:

[shut hornet]

Caid is a primordial being

[vestal rivet]

nah he's referring to one of the random unnamed NPCs in Timasca

[rustic nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1489172687577153546/ezgif-4b87bb36c46a746a.gif

[paper wyvern]

yeah caid is the guy the mushroom is referring to

[jade whale]

I may be illiterate or have not read enough.. But like.. Why did we commit mass genocide when we entered fruma? There was quite literally not much of a reason. Does the player value their life above the lives of 10s of soldiers? Was that really necessary?

[shut hornet]

for fun

[digital swan]

caid is the dern beast.

[warm flicker]

low res tasim my beloved

[serene gate]

Im happy we didnt end up ||having a soosu/flowers boss fight||

[rustic nexus]

we're built different

[tough axle]

They were trying to murder us

[burnt robin]

guys where was this from

[shut hornet]

its because the player always beats people up

[burnt robin]

i still dont remember seeing this

in my actual quests

[shut hornet]

i dont know if i would define guards in a fort as genocide

but

[exotic bough]

Just promo material

[nocturne cave]

To go see his fav buddy tasim and tell him that he brutally murdered his bff for life crushing trust forever

[paper wyvern]

the player is a soldier whose earliest remaining memories are beating up people shaped undead in a forever war

[vestal rivet]

we were attacked
we put our own lives and mission above the lives of soldiers who have entered combat with us

[winged narwhal]

Is « lari » just an npc with an arc that positions them against the player

[paper wyvern]

yeah ofc we got violent tendencies

[digital swan]

enemy combatant. free game

[formal bridge]

I mean it was either that or be captured...? And the hordes of soldiers we kill in the overworld don't really count as canon

[tough axle]

No annoying and stubborn

[paper wyvern]

also we killed a few dozen in the fort

[winged narwhal]

I wish as a lightbender I could walk past neutral mobs without having to kill every farmer

[tough axle]

But I guess the player is also like that

[shut hornet]

i think this is from apotheosis but its edited to not spoil the twist and might not have ended up making it in this way

[paper wyvern]

its a massacre but its not that big

[burnt robin]

ohhhh

yea i dont remember that

[burnt zodiac]

Royal dam my beloved

[burnt robin]

i remember the dam scene

at the end of OTD

[restive yacht]

😭

[jade whale]

Yea so we went on and killed countless soldiers that clearly all had bad intentions. Also by that point wasn't our mission only to find tasim? Am I forgetting something?

[nocturne cave]

Snerptastic build (built by snerpcat himself)

[shut mist]

||what is implied when soveraign two mentions that aledars soul is shattered, what does it mean for the soul ?||

[rustic nexus]

yup

[tough axle]

It was

[paper wyvern]

there was a side mission to figure out why the queen took taism but the main goal was find taism

[jade whale]

The player really has impeccable logic

[rustic nexus]

then we got roped into the resistance stuff

[tough axle]

Anyways I really like how the story portrays the struggle of revolution

[paper wyvern]

||no using one of the many revival methods wynn lore has||

[jade whale]

We are like an overprotective yandere girlfriend

[warm flicker]

hey snerp could u build some more olmic lore pls thanks

[shut mist]

I see ..

[warm flicker]

(genuinely i love the new time valley look)

[rustic nexus]

hey it worked out in the end!!!! for now!!!!!!! for the next ten minutes within canon!!!!

[paper wyvern]

in our defense the queen was really fucking sus

[nocturne cave]

yippee i agree its great

[winged narwhal]

I mean, when you are attacked you generally have a right to self defence, although there’s probably some disproportionate force involved

[digital swan]

they tried to kill us. uhhh machine gun

[tough axle]

|| considering we had to murder our best friend it makes sense that we don’t want the same thing to happen to our other best friend||

[warm flicker]

all we need now is an actual use for the temple of time (never going to happen)

[winged narwhal]

Probably shouldn’t drop a meteor on the cops

[rustic nexus]

live server quest resetter

[burnt zodiac]

Wait what changed in TV?

[burnt robin]

what if you just wanna stab everything

[rustic nexus]

trust

[burnt robin]

:>

[winged narwhal]

We aren’t the ones who kill Axelus, though

[tough axle]

They could have just not attacked us

[digital swan]

yeah personally I prefer something more down to earth like a small mortar

[rustic nexus]

paths and terrain

[paper wyvern]

cant wait for the day temple of time is delted from lore and all the related plotholes are fixed

[rustic nexus]

and some new builds around tempo town/tls bridge

[tough axle]

Aledar

[digital swan]

aledar's a fake friend

[nocturne cave]

Paths, lovely ruins next to tempo town, waterfalls, decors

[burnt robin]

||(i chose the "kill urself" dialogue option for tasim in apotheosis)||

[winged narwhal]

Who?

[digital swan]

see his dialogue when he says you should kill him

[winged narwhal]

Oh right the Glup Shitto from AHC

[tough axle]

I don’t know I always assumed that aledar and tasim were like the people we related to the most

[rustic nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019022196741517405/1437867822792446022/attachment.gif

[digital swan]

also he deserts you really early on

[dawn otter]

Wynncraft Multiverse Theory

[warm flicker]

cute statue as well, plus there was a hillside ruin that got converted into an Olmic ruin i think

[digital swan]

aledar is NOT your friend

[paper wyvern]

forgery:

[jade whale]

(I may or may not have skipped the majority of quests between the start of the game and SE so I really remember tasim and aledar as only the tutorial guys. I think I have grown more attached to the seaskipper)

[nocturne cave]

Bro knows build better than a builder 😅

[jade whale]

But that is my fault I guess

[warm flicker]

my hyperfixation is anything Olmic related. It is a curse. Please help me.

[dawn otter]

Well the Time Gate is definitely more versatile

[winged narwhal]

Eh, I think Aledar is more present in the early game these days

[nocturne cave]

We’re removing all olmic stuff anyway for your enjoyment next update /j

[burnt zodiac]

Ohhh yeah those ruins

[burnt robin]

wait so is ne du valeos de ellach just orphion propoganda

💀

[formal bridge]

tbf each of them gets like, one quest each post spider dungeon

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[burnt zodiac]

I remember they reminded of the ruins of rauh in elden bing

[rustic nexus]

kind of? but also like

[formal bridge]

Aledar get sthe mercenary and Tasim gets the memory quest

[winged narwhal]

Elden bing

[formal bridge]

so you don't really get a chance to bond with either

[jade whale]

Still we are goddamn insane psychopaths in the story. What if the hunters calling wasnt the end and all of fruma was just a dream /jk

[dawn otter]

Tbh

[rustic nexus]

saving orphion from the parasite saves the world from being instantly rolled by dern

[dawn otter]

What if we

Used the time gate

Travel back

[paper wyvern]

Its a conversation between orphion and dern beast and orphion has a lot of hubris

[dawn otter]

Then Kill the parasite

[rustic nexus]

after the cutscene

[dawn otter]

When Lari couldn’t

[rustic nexus]

there's text that goes like "save him"

[nocturne cave]

You cant change the past using the temple of time, just view it

[warm flicker]

time paradox, if the parasite is dead why would u go back in time to begin with

[rustic nexus]

"the embodiment is suffering"

et cetera

[jade whale]

At this point I think that killing both orphion and the dern beast might be necessary

[digital swan]

everything orphion says is really propoganda
remember the only source you have for orphion doing all that is stuff that who set up? Orphion and co.
If you checked a neutral source Orphion is probably a giant asshole and is probably not even half as powerful as he claims

[winged narwhal]

Is there an ancient gavellian dictionary

[rustic nexus]

temple of time's time travel doesn't affect anything

it just lets us experience what has already happened

[winged narwhal]

I mean, ||saphanis|| is the one tipping the scales the most is he not

[burnt zodiac]

Gavelliian translator drops from light forest ult discov

[paper wyvern]

ok but like if orphion dies and nothing is done about dern beast then everything end

[rustic nexus]

anything we do is just a "what-if?"

[dawn otter]

Is that so? Didn’t we literally stop someone’s death? Didn’t Theorick interact with us?

[burnt robin]

guys orphion and dern beast is basically nk and sk during cold war

both are evil

[nocturne cave]

No not really

[burnt robin]

but one tries to hide it

[rustic nexus]

..yeah?

[burnt robin]

the other one not even tryna hide

[rustic nexus]

I'm not saying anything against that

[dawn otter]

Unless it doesn’t the “main” timeline.

[burnt robin]

: P

[digital swan]

no, Entente and Central

[winged narwhal]

No like is there an online database of ancient gavellian words

[dawn otter]

And just creates a new timeline altogeyhrt

[rustic nexus]

...?!!!?

[jade whale]

Weve all seen the mirrors in the fruma quest. The futures look terrifing

[rustic nexus]

gavellian is just

english

with new letters

[warm flicker]

its more like a simulation than actually being sent to the past - we can see what it was like and can interact/change the outcome of things, but it never gets reflected to the real world

[digital swan]

Entente and Central powers
both are assholes
one is winning and doesn't hide it
the other is losing and hides it to get allies

[cloud phoenix]

all the wynn languages are basically cyphers lol

[burnt robin]

ok TRUE

[winged narwhal]

Dern beast is the one actively on the offensive Orphion is on the back foot

[burnt zodiac]

Almost all....

[burnt robin]

NOT EVEN GOOD ONES

AT THAT

[rustic nexus]

except one......

[burnt robin]

well

one is a good one

[warm flicker]

dogun!!

[rustic nexus]

oh right

dogun script

except two then

[burnt robin]

who is the first soverign tho

[tough axle]

How Involved is salted within the story of whnncraft

[rustic nexus]

not much

[digital swan]

Then compare to Allied and Axis, which is Entente and Central in 20 years
now the Central -> Axis is winning and isn't hiding it while the Entente -> Allied is 😬

[burnt robin]

||tasim||?