📚lore_discussion

[frail furnace]

i dont remember all 6 locations

[west crypt]

yeah i found it eventually

ty

[burnt robin]

is that why he has spin attack from lacerate 💀

wait ok so the lore implications of overture to despair is kind of insane

[rustic nexus]

yup

that quest is one insane lore nuke

[burnt robin]

like its basically what the creature at the portal to dern was saying

but way more neutral

[rustic nexus]

uhhh

fym

[slim belfry]

?

[burnt robin]

feigning benevolence is crazy tho

[rustic nexus]

isn't that from ensemble of hope

[burnt robin]

something about "neither light or dark" and "something else"

[burnt robin]

it is

mb

the second is just the lorehold atp

[rustic nexus]

overture to despair has the lore nuke about the queen

[slim belfry]

yeah ensemble makes more sense with ???

[burnt robin]

yup

those visuals

[slim belfry]

because of the whole ends thing

[burnt robin]

were insane

[rustic nexus]

tbh

it never really was that light was good

it was just never really... told to us

[burnt robin]

now I'm wondering on the whole order of things

like

dern beast/ ||saphanis|| is the beast of darkness

[rustic nexus]

yup

[burnt robin]

orphipn is beast of light

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[burnt robin]

||anathema|| is beast of war

[rustic nexus]

yuh uh

[burnt robin]

but bakal serves the dern beast???

despite being from war???

[rustic nexus]

so

it gets touched upon a bit in one of the postraid dialogue branches

but not entirely explained

but

[burnt robin]

and majins dialogue implies they hate him?

[burnt robin]

oh I'm gonna have to play that then

ik the lore

just need to see it in full

[rustic nexus]

||bak'al was the scion of war, however due to anathema going to do her own thing that goes against what he wanted, he decided to abandon her and for UNKNOWN REASONS, sides with saphanis/the shade, likely for a shared mindset/goals||

[burnt robin]

wait so we got orphipn and dern beast beefing

then we got ||anathema|| beefing

w both

[rustic nexus]

yeep

[burnt robin]

even tho the realm of war seems more attuned with the dark????

[rustic nexus]

no?

the realm is against everything

[burnt robin]

oh right

[rustic nexus]

it's just that bak'al chose to side with dern

after

postraid spoiler here

[burnt robin]

including itself?

realm of war seems to be uhhh

chaotic

[rustic nexus]

bak'al isn't of war

[burnt robin]

and now that we know the beast of war

can we safely say

that theorick

saw ||anathema|| behind the portal

[rustic nexus]

oh no no no

[slim belfry]

no

[rustic nexus]

if you would consult the graph

[burnt robin]

or what did he see

[drifting aurora]

i do enjoy the graph

[rustic nexus]

as you can see

200ap is BEFORE ~600ap

[slim belfry]

we don't know only that if could be anni or just the realm itself

[drifting aurora]

i dont believe you. wheres the proof

[burnt robin]

hmmmmmm

[rustic nexus]

it is a really good graph if I do say so myself

[burnt robin]

but anni doesn't canonically inspire madness in the player

or maybe that's cause

[rustic nexus]

war

[burnt robin]

yk

were different

[rustic nexus]

well

anni is just another devil from war

[drifting aurora]

you are forced to select a ||raid corruption|| during the raid

[rustic nexus]

yeah but I don't think we're talking about that

cuz chew hasn't done the raid

[drifting aurora]

i see

[burnt robin]

finna do it today

have they fixed

the raid wiping players

[rustic nexus]

🤷‍♀️

haven't finished questline on live yet

[burnt robin]

I'm not laying if it's not fixed

same with all the WE

[rustic nexus]

anyway I was gonna bring up something

let me get back to writing that

[limber swan]

589 ap actually

[slim belfry]

I think so since I've been graiding all day

[dim plover]

They should add a message if a player tries to progress without picking one

As of now the exit just doesn’t do anything

If you guys have dev time make a door block the exit with a 0/4 buff picked counter

[rustic nexus]

you know what I wish was added
some kind of friction between the world the player knows and fruma in the shape of the year system
it would also act as a good way to properly introduce the player to the fruman calendar
like you find some random grandpa in auburn asking what year it is, and we say 1000ap and he goes like "WHAT, what's an "ap"!? last I recall we were in the industrial age?!? what was it.. 119... no no, 120 IA? it seems you were the one who's memory is playing tricks afterall, huh traveler?"

cuz like

currently you just have to. piece it all together

the missing piece did help a little but

I feel like we need some kind of better introduction to it earlier

[shut hornet]

was it even theorick who said he saw something crazy behind the portal

i think that was old garoth

and he is. um. removed

[rustic nexus]

it might have been

cuz I remember theo saying he "lost"

[shut hornet]

probably just to the devils and such inside

[rustic nexus]

||smh smh theorick twain failed the wartorn palace raid||

[dim plover]

Does the timeline line up though

[rustic nexus]

no

[shut hornet]

no

[dim plover]

When did old Garoth enter the portal

[rustic nexus]

he doesn't anymore

it's not canon

[burnt robin]

i think it was right after it was opened no?

[rustic nexus]

also I don't think a year was ever given for old garoth?

[burnt robin]

idr

[winged narwhal]

Rip old garoth

[shut hornet]

||anathema|| was not planned when old garoths quest was made. i dont even think he was supposed to be referring to anything at all. peak 2017 quest writing if i do say so myself

[winged narwhal]

I’ll miss the incongruous dragon dude

[rustic nexus]

???

no like

that's no longer a part of his character

[burnt robin]

corrupted LS be like

(that thing is SO out of date)

[rustic nexus]

tls is no longer connected to corruption

[limber swan]

oh i thought you were reffering to new garoth lore

[winged narwhal]

Wait CLS still has the old dungeon?

[limber swan]

sorry

[rustic nexus]

nw

[rustic nexus]

yeah, CTLS hasn't been made yet

[limber swan]

CTLS will probably never happen

[winged narwhal]

Can’t wait for CEO

[rustic nexus]

after wastelands trust

[regal spire]

You mean to tell me a random shadowy monster pushing Garoth into the portal, then subsequently referencing a spooky big monster within wasn’t considered in the implementation of fruma?

[limber swan]

I don't think anyone is happy with how forgery is handled lmao

[rustic nexus]

yuuup

forgery/dungeons would need a whole update for themselves

[dim plover]

The Shadowy monster was just Annihilation’s hand poking out from the portal and then its finger bent downwards to push Garoth from behind

[drifting aurora]

yeah we arent either

[limber swan]

no way they would rework every dungeon in one update though

[winged narwhal]

Haven’t heard of anyone doing forgery in ages

[shut hornet]

big forgery hater

[dim plover]

I have an idea to replace Forgery but it will take ten billion years of CT and dev time

[winged narwhal]

Once upon a time people used Forgery for mythic grinding

[dim plover]

On the bright side once you’re done you have an infinitely expandable endgame content

[rustic nexus]

once upon a time, forgery was the main endgame activity

😭

[limber swan]

until raids showed up

[shut hornet]

god the fact that people still played wynn during that era is crazy

[rustic nexus]

I'm (un?)fortunate to have experienced a little of that era

[shut hornet]

people shit on raids and lootruns but like. there is actual INTERESTING endgame content now to keep you around

[rustic nexus]

true

and mounts now!

[winged narwhal]

I am happy that I managed to avoid ever doing old lootrunning

[rustic nexus]

old lootruns.........

I'm still in shock how people used to WATCH STREAMS OF THAT

[limber swan]

eh it was the late 2010s everything MC related sucked back then

[safe coral]

lootrunners still have not recovered from the reputation damage from the old versions

[winged narwhal]

Good

[whole river]

I mean for me personally what kept me going the first time I tried wynncraft was the exploration, and not having a map + 4 of my dumbass friends just stumbling along

[rustic nexus]

yeah the exploration was a good part of it

and the charm

[summer bluff]

Yeah I'm ngl exploring was the main thing I did at first when I started out, I barely think I even did quests

Stayed in time valley WAYYYY longer than I was prolly supposed to lol

[brittle prism]

Is Sohso ever mentioned in fruma :(

[summer bluff]

Yeah

[brittle prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296377212939010050/1480773200265613584/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[warm flicker]

||indirectly? Yes||

[long basin]

hey so weird question but were the ||queen of frumas || motivations good? or not cause i cant decide due to the ||repeated flooding|| of the forest

[burnt robin]

holy sh&& i just beat wtp

its peak

insane content

[rustic nexus]

yeah wtp is peak

[vestal rivet]

so I hear

I won't play it for a while though probably due to the bugs

[dim plover]

I really want to play Fruma but Tasim's alt route isn't out yet

[vestal rivet]

I need to save a char for this I'm guessing

[long basin]

i assume thats where u can actually say it

[dim plover]

It's the literal first quest too so I can't enter Fruma until they add it in lol

I mean, not like I can play anyway because apparently there's tons of lag and also the funny item wipes

[rustic nexus]

lag isn't really an issue now

no idea about the item wipe though

[vestal rivet]

allegedly still happening, just much less often

I'm giving it some more time

[dim plover]

I'll wait until Tasim's alt route is added to do the Fruma quests

In the meantime whenever the wipes are confirmed to be resolved I'll just get my classes ready

[past plover]

The Strong Survive quest question: ||Where is diary note 4? I can't seem to find it||

[quaint wing]

Wait a minute, fallen is canon! Ba'kal is a thing, it makes sense!

[dim plover]

Is Fallen canon?

I don't think any of the archetypes are tbh

[cedar kernel]

I mean

Some of the other characters do follow archetypes

Or at least classes

[slim belfry]

yeah archetypes aren't canon but abilities and parts of them can be

the restrictions is just funny gameplay

[quaint wing]

Someone earlier said archetypes are canon, they just aren't restrictions, basically:
"you can do this, or this, or both, IDC"
Thats archetypes, they said the only archetype that isn't canon was fallen, since the corruption doesn't work like that, but it most CERTAINTLY DOES.

[slim belfry]

have you finished the questline and raid

I wanna say something about certain archetypes

[quaint wing]

Not yet

Kind of having problems with quests

[slim belfry]

ok then nvm

[quaint wing]

I can't complete the Wynn Excavation site B quest, when I pick up the crystal the thing doesn't change.

If your wondering why I know so much when I'm stuck there, spoilers.

This place is full of them, even in the general tab.

[copper breach]

Gendarme region when?

[burnt robin]

guys the wastelands is literally just america

[hybrid gazelle]

Canon lore inspire the archetype but archetype does not go to the canon lore without some change or translation

[hybrid gazelle]

Why would a military rank be a region???

[granite drift]

Yahya became an English teacher

[hybrid gazelle]

So summary

Canon lore -> archetype lore
Canon lore <-/- Archetype lore

[slim belfry]

yeah I think winteria confirmed that's how it is

[azure tangle]

i believe this one is in the kitchen

[hybrid gazelle]

If archetype are canon

You would be put down being fallen

Like I don’t care you have fucking super cancer on you

Like

Buddy

Face the wall

Your ultimate literally “Bwyond Salvation”

Like

You are being put down

[vestal rivet]

if Fallen existed then Detlass would be investing in firearms to deal with them

Rymek Luke would have a legitimate career lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Light bender also imply the idea of Orphion would share his power with you

Which never gonna happen

[summer bluff]

Fallen is what happens when you confront the corruptor of worlds without the helmet I headcanon

[vestal rivet]

Lari just gets even more jealous with all the random humans that Orphion granted his light

[hybrid gazelle]

Assuming Detlas would not already have guns

[slim belfry]

lari archetype basically

[summer bluff]

Shadestepper just like
Being dernic and shit

[slim belfry]

oh no

[vestal rivet]

how does the hazmat helmet work anyways
old lore be like

[slim belfry]

shade is NOT dernic

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t even think Shadestepper is dernic

[summer bluff]

Keeps you pure ig

[hybrid gazelle]

For some reason it wrird

[vestal rivet]

no official dernic tie-ins
it just turns invis
and can stab gud

[hybrid gazelle]

Shade stepper feel perfect for dernic theme but like

It not

And acolyte bringing whole can of worms about this demons with tentacle

Idk about that

[summer bluff]

What would be the dernic theme one then, riftwalker?

[hybrid gazelle]

Like who the fuck is that

[hybrid gazelle]

That cosmic magic

[winged narwhal]

Orphion explaining why the worlds strongest corruption monster is his pulse:

[hybrid gazelle]

So not

[slim belfry]

riftwalker is more cosmic

[summer bluff]

Slime dimension

[slim belfry]

please no

[vestal rivet]

a lot of Acolyte's additions ever since ECall have been both good and out of character is I think the best way to put it

[summer bluff]

Slime dimension 🔥 🔥

[hybrid gazelle]

Slime magic js so fucking stupid like

C’mon guys we accept electromagic being a thing and stuff

So like we not accepting that

Slime magic could be just a branch in earth

Earth or water

Like it make sense

[slim belfry]

both

[vestal rivet]

odd, considering they could prob instead be using whatever the olms used probably

[slim belfry]

it's the sibling of mud magic

[vestal rivet]

or weirds

[summer bluff]

Who would win
Skylaar the slimer or Gikyo the glooper

[hybrid gazelle]

As funny as it is

Consider how Wynn magic system is about element

Mud magic might very well exist as minor elemental magic

[slim belfry]

well duh because ice does too

[vestal rivet]

what I'm hearing
is that you can actually just cast brick and call it a spell

[slim belfry]

main attack scaled spell

[vestal rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[slim belfry]

obviously

[vestal rivet]

would it not be effective!?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure if you discover a branch of magic rhat allow you to control brick

Which might as well be part of earth magic

[vestal rivet]

fired clay mix
so yeah earth

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like earth magic would allow you to do that anyway

But magic that SPECIFICALLY control clay

[vestal rivet]

specific fired clay mix!

well
dried

[hybrid gazelle]

Imagine how fucked are you if you are with specific innate for specific element

[summer bluff]

Air magic too bc you're throwing it in the air

[hybrid gazelle]

Like WTF am I gonna do if my innate lean toward sulfur

[vestal rivet]

live by a hot spring ig

[summer bluff]

Snail Set

[vestal rivet]

imagine being a carbonbender

[hybrid gazelle]

Spficialize in earth magic and able to transform element into another

So you have ability to turn gold int lead

Fuck that poor soul that come across you

[summer bluff]

You're drawn towards calcium magic and now you have to live next to hard water

[slim belfry]

captured my interest I wanna have earth magic

[vestal rivet]

"I cast waterbaord"

[summer bluff]

Imagine thunder/electric magic but it's only DC electricity

[slim belfry]

I mean

I feel like that's how it is in wynn anyway

electromagic might be analogous to DC and you don't really see a need for AC based systems

[burnt robin]

guys what is sui

two called her a manaweaver

is she akin to the likes of theorick

and the twains

or is she something different

iirc theorick, dwendle, etc. didnt need foci

and in that case, why did two say manaweaving was a lost skill, twains lived long after opening of the portal

[paper wyvern]

no

theres 3 different "levels" that we know of

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know what manaweaver is but it something that been lost to time

[burnt robin]

what are the olm then

[hybrid gazelle]

But consider how the Weaver being mentioned

[paper wyvern]

we have the normal needs a focus
we have the ones that can cast without a focus like the twains and taism
and then manaweaver

[burnt robin]

weaver...

[paper wyvern]

not humans

[burnt robin]

SILKSONG REFERENCE-

sorry

[paper wyvern]

what if qira is a manaweaver cause the spider motif

[burnt robin]

what's the difference between the latter two

[hybrid gazelle]

Manaweaver probably someone with direction connection with the Weave that allow them to draw endless mana from

[burnt robin]

it seems both can cast without foci

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause sui does mention that a lot in her dialogue

[burnt robin]

and both are incredibly skilled

[hybrid gazelle]

And we know that water element is pure magic itself

[paper wyvern]

a manaweaver can use the weave while a non focus caster still uses their mana

[burnt robin]

sui in particular water attuned

[burnt robin]

dude theorick legit froze over a fucking forest 😭

meanwhile sui was barely able to keep the dam at bay

without tasim's help

by comparison, theorick's spell should have taken a LOT more mana

or energy

[paper wyvern]

depth vs width

theorick used his entire pool proabbly to freeze the forest, sui is still learning and can only mess with so much of the weave at a time

[hybrid gazelle]

Reminder that Theorick freezing nesaak literally one time thing and that is when he gone into portal and turn insane

[burnt robin]

oh true

wtf is the weave then

[paper wyvern]

magical fabric of reality and thats all we know rn

[burnt robin]

ah

[dim plover]

Guys what if Sovereign Two is actually the Dern Beast, that’s why half her face is covered up without an eye hole (Since she only has one eye now)

[burnt robin]

saphanis secretly infiltrating ALL of his opps main homes 💀

[dim plover]

And the twist is that Two (The Dern Beast) doesn’t actually want the imbalance either

[slim belfry]

I can't believe we're falling back to 2nd sov dern beast again 😭

[dim plover]

And the parasite she sent to Orphion was actually because Orphion was the one who was causing the imbalance back then rather than the Darkness

[burnt robin]

did you not see the dialogue

theyre both power hungry

[dim plover]

We finally like, enter the Realm of Dern with Two’s permission and turns out the damn realm is even smaller than the Realm of Light

[burnt robin]

"it holds the upper hand you know"

"even with the recent strikes you've made against it"

"and oh how it has grown to HATE you for that"

[slim belfry]

"two we can hear you huffing behind that mask"

[burnt robin]

alr yall

which one of us is going to go through the painstaking task

of updating all the wiki.gg and fandom pages

on bakal, realm of war, the war of the realms, etc.

and most importantly, saphanis

[drifting aurora]

ok but to be fair this would be a Really funny thing to say if she actually was the dark beast

[safe coral]

I think it'd be in everyone's best interest if they never had to touch fandom again

[slim belfry]

^

managing TWO WIKIS???

[twin citrus]

no one is gonna update the fandom wiki page lol

they r all focused on the wiki.gg

[slim belfry]

and fandom wiki has no support anyway

[safe coral]

I don't think anyone hates themself enough to do so

[slim belfry]

people still fall for the fandom wiki

[safe coral]

I think calamity mod fandom wiki is a precedent all abandoned fandom wikis should aspire towards

[pseudo igloo]

For whatever reason fandom still shows up higher up than wiki gg

This isn’t just Google but other engines as well

Anyways I have lore question

Does anyone know what the resonance weaver is supposed to be?

[slim belfry]

in short it potentially manipulates the magic that makes up reality

[burnt robin]

ok true

[slim belfry]

of course the one with the solyn pfp says that lol (if that is her? sorry if I got that wrong)

[pseudo igloo]

And who originally made the base of it?

[exotic bough]

Fandom wiki should have shut down 2 years ago and is only up bc fandom wants ad revenue

[pseudo igloo]

Or like, where did the Queen get the resonance weaver from

Before it got modified

[slim belfry]

we don't know

[safe coral]

it hasn't been explained Yet

[pseudo igloo]

I see

Ty

[safe coral]

but odds are part of it originated from old fruma

[burnt robin]

what even was old fruma

or is that secret disco stuff

[safe coral]

there's a couple mentioning it

and the post raid interaction

[feral lynx]

is that gale in nasin secret discovery the gale in qira hive

[safe coral]

yea

[feral lynx]

i want to find more evidence other than sd and the trinket from blizzard festival

[safe coral]

you can go talk to her after finding it

[feral lynx]

wat

in qira?

[safe coral]

yea

[feral lynx]

OHHHHH

ill try RN

[summer bluff]

I wish that it would let us talk to her more abt it 😔

[hybrid gazelle]

she told us this

oh wait I forgot

raid is almost unplayble

[safe coral]

just gotta wait 8 months............................

[summer bluff]

Like gale come back.....

Wait what's happening in 8 month

Ohhhh the festival

[safe coral]

blizzard festival

ye

[summer bluff]

Have they confirmed that?

[safe coral]

I mean I hope there's new dialogue for her post Fruma

[ruby creek]

brooo why ||rex||

[safe coral]

idk if they would for sure

[hybrid gazelle]

assuming Lexnt still alive and not being overwork as fuck from epliogue

we might get festival

I mean there othe writers too but IDk about them

[safe coral]

||But I'm sure she'd be delighted to hear Majin brutally exploded||

[burnt robin]

for a better wartorn palace experience

they should have had sui and zeph be interactable npcs

in the raid

or are they?

idk i never noticed on my playthroughs today

(2x)

[hybrid gazelle]

||They said that if raid ever have story mode, they will appear||

[safe coral]

nah

[hybrid gazelle]

||the other palyer in the party suppose to be stand in for Zeph and Sui and Tasim||

[burnt robin]

ohhhh

dude the ||postraid dialogue is a frickin library bro||

||like i swear theres so many branches of dialogue||

||and it doesnt let you go back D:||

[hybrid gazelle]

||we actualyl need to make a doc for it||

[safe coral]

||We already did||

[ruby creek]

yooo nevermind she chillin wtf

[hybrid gazelle]

||yeah I know I meant back then||

[paper wyvern]

||https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?tab=t.0||

[slim belfry]

I forgot who made this but I need to tell them something important

[feral lynx]

wait waht

has they updated the grave of gale

because it now reads

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

they did

[slim belfry]

wait what

[feral lynx]

can i spoiler the pic

no

just take this

[sharp cove]

||can we still tell tasim aleder was dead||

[paper wyvern]

you can just click the spoiler button above the pic in the preview

[safe coral]

not yet

[slim belfry]

not in yet

[feral lynx]

well this is quite a lore

[slim belfry]

I thought it was always like this

[paper wyvern]

fun fact that lore isnt new

[sharp cove]

||I thought we could do that in beta and the full dialogue in live but uhh did they just removed the whole dialogue line||

[paper wyvern]

just the context around it

[burnt robin]

WOAH

ayo where was her nasin charm 😠

[feral lynx]

HUH?

[slim belfry]

yeah gale lore foreshadowed bits of fruma

[feral lynx]

too bad i went to this place first time

just for the sd

oh my

[safe coral]

think she left it with her parents

[slim belfry]

certain festival dialogue she had raised suspicions

because we had no clue what she was talking about

[feral lynx]

yes

the non-corkian goggle

[slim belfry]

well not that

the crest

[feral lynx]

ye

i was just going to say thaat

I really hope those who did the sd could have new dialogue the next time we meet her

[slim belfry]

uhhhh

I forgot what but keep doing fruma stuff

[paper wyvern]

festival dialogue

[slim belfry]

yeah people that knew gale lore by heart flipped out seeing ||zhiraok's last name||

[paper wyvern]

||I wonder if the 2 will ever meet but probably not considering gale gets a panic attack if we just mention fruma||

[slim belfry]

could be neat

like ||rex and caid|| meeting

[summer bluff]

I hunger for a zhiraok and gale interaction but I also hunger for a Lotta things

[round wraith]

a) is this like trying to hint at Rex being bipolar or manic or smth?
b) even if its not, is anything like this even brought up again? I cant think of a time where Rex is super impulsive

[summer bluff]

Ngl I thought it was adhd or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it proably is

cosnider how fruma is very diverse when it come to reprsentation

Rex likely has it

I think it never been brought up again cause

there literally no point of story they could have bring it up

[summer bluff]

Mora

Bc mora mora'd

Mora did the thing that he's famous for

[warm flicker]

zhiraok would try to kill gale for ruining the family's reputation, gale will probably kill him in self defense, zhiraok would revive himself and try again

[drifting aurora]

it's something that got a little lost when writing dialogue for the highlands chapter, and doesnt come through as well as i originally wanted

but yes, it is

[summer bluff]

Gale is already dead
What self defense

[round wraith]

ah okay

[hybrid gazelle]

||Reminder Zhiraok and Gale would meet post Apotheosis so we working with more developed Zhiraok later on||

[summer bluff]

And zhiraok kinda ||abandoned family honor|| by the end didnt he?

[hybrid gazelle]

||this is the guy who realize there nothing worth about honor and likely can somewhat relate with Gale with her leaving Fruma now||

[round wraith]

yeah what???

zhiraok literally did what gale did

[warm flicker]

fair enough

[round wraith]

abandoning his family's honor for what he believed in

[hybrid gazelle]

||there will be conflicting feeling||

[warm flicker]

would like to invite zhiraok for the wynnter fair then, good opportunity for family reunions

[hybrid gazelle]

||but it will not Zhiraok go "GALE YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!"||

[summer bluff]

Aaaand zhiraok's ||charm got destroyed soo... no reviving from that||

[hybrid gazelle]

||You aint inviting him man 😭 someone else probably will like Tasim or Xao||

[warm flicker]

i will invite everyone, nothing can stop me from spreading christmas joy

[summer bluff]

Talk to xao and it's like
"Ah, well zhiraok HAS been running himself ragged, maybe a change of scenery will do him good" and then they show up in matching sweaters

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ai-blackbeard-marshal-d-teach-teach-gif-8735872298036228858

[hybrid gazelle]

Clothed Zhiraok

[summer bluff]

It's a sweater vest so it still shows all the goods

[azure tangle]

Zhiraok probably frames ||majins bloody cape|| in his bedroom

[summer bluff]

Ai 😔

[summer bluff]

Rurie has custody of it on the weekends

[warm flicker]

"||Zhiraok this is good for diplomatic relations with the Wynn province. If we want to open up to the world we need allies. Plus I heard they have amazing sweaters||"

[hybrid gazelle]

||this assuming that Zhiraok still hold position of power||

[warm flicker]

ik i clicked before i saw the ai 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

||He have capability to do so but I dont think the rebel would want to have former soverign as a ruler||

[warm flicker]

huh if zhiraok does become someone we could invite to the wynnter fair, i wonder what dialogue between him and the ragni king would be like

[dim plover]

Total collapse of Fruma let’s do this

[hybrid gazelle]

||probably nothing since I dont think Zhiraok would get to meet Ragni King||

||Two is the one that meet Ragni King||

[azure tangle]

i imagine his dialogue with gale would be akin to Nohno's about Yahya

"did you know gale is here?" "Ga- SHES HERE???????"

[warm flicker]

unrealistic, not enough math vocab

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it more wild consier

this is your dead ancestor

[azure tangle]

"Ga- SHES POSITIVE IN THIS QUADRENT?????"

[warm flicker]

peak writing, i hope content team are listening in on this

[azure tangle]

Nohno's "Ya- HES HERE?" is my favorite bit of festival dialouge btw

i read it like sqidward meeting spongebobs cousin from that one episode

[summer bluff]

||Nah zhiraok is the exception, considering all the good he did||

[warm flicker]

||people would probably find out he and soosu helped in preventing a second Auburn flooding, that would be enough to convince some people at least||

[summer bluff]

The entirety of the auburn forest would stand up for him

[azure tangle]

except for that kids grandpa

[formal bridge]

||he's literally the one good soverign at his job, I think people would get behind him if the resistance backed him lmao||

[hybrid gazelle]

||it defivnitely will be rough start||

[safe coral]

||And surely Sui doesn’t just go on a murder spree and kill them||

[hybrid gazelle]

||other resistance proably would hold her back cause they know randomly kill people at this point will only ensure chaos||

[summer bluff]

||Sui should be invited for bonfire ngl||

[formal bridge]

||sui's a wee bit crazy, the rest of the resistance who is actually competent and alive now is smart enough to not go on a murder revenge spree lmao||

[summer bluff]

|| heroes festival but there's a weird feller with a droopy eye and they talk weird whoooo said that whattt||

[burnt robin]

||sui is the only character who actually had a major arc and ofc its a psychopath arc 💀 ||

[misty horizon]

epstein chat

but ngl, thanks for hiding spoilers

especially at first week

[hybrid gazelle]

||I think calling her psychopath is misusing that label when her entire motive driven aroudn being stronger to protect her remainning family||

||she is far from psychopath and simply too emotional and grieving with the lost of her family member that she felt like she was responsible for||

[safe coral]

||She’ll get better mentally…. Eventually…. Surely…. Hopefully… ||

[azure tangle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hand-on-shoulder-alright-bro-5NbbVJeSLs1etZYjpT

[safe coral]

||Don’t say that….. It’ll happen…… it will…..||

[burnt robin]

||sui really went from anxiety incarnate to "I'm gonna burn your entire family tree down"||

[burnt robin]

tbh I see it happening

||her emotions are more of a trauma response, if anything||

[feral lynx]

wdym "This discovery room is not finished; a significant amount more lore info will be added later in the beta"

man this is release

too few content for a large room as || library of aelumia university||

[hybrid gazelle]

it was not big enough to delay the update for

so we likely expand more in patches

[feral lynx]

bruh

welp

[drifting aurora]

i think this text got left in by mistake

[elfin comet]

my name says it all

[paper wyvern]

They did

Roughworks lol

[rotund gust]

prediction: Oru's blessing is gonna be gravity manipulation. The prison being called gravitys monolith is a really weird name otherwise

plus given the nature of the other blessings ||time, matter, space and uhhh. gikyo|| it would fit nicely

[tawdry mural]

reminds me of the four elements scene from avatar, ||fire, water, earth, sword and fan! ||or smth like that

[dim estuary]

couldnt this be because of the other meteor tho?

[rotund gust]

wait fruma has a meteor

||i know majin has his comet but i didn't think fruma had a meteor in it. Like sohso was brought in cause changelings had a similar madness to meteor madness, not the same one. Unless changelings are just cosmic magic beings but they seems to be their own thing||

[hybrid gazelle]

||they could be alien lifeform||

[pulsar lynx]

thats it? thats the ending???

[olive anvil]

Is there really no more lore after the raid? ||No more closure/conclusion?||

[round wraith]

holy... crap.... the foreshadowing....

its just... so peak 🥹

[hybrid gazelle]

||go visit the leaves base||

more epliogue will be add in the future

[round wraith]

theres like... all the postraid dialogue? wdym

and after you do apotheosis it literally says ||"The Butterfly Effect... coming soon"||

[olive anvil]

Oh i did not get that wtf

[round wraith]

😭

there's like hundreds of dialogue trees

you can only get one tree per raid tho 😏

[olive anvil]

I’m happy with the raid dialogue

[round wraith]

(if u wanna read them all, i made a doc that everyone contributed to during beta to log it all down)

[olive anvil]

Not so much || the entire rest of fruma ||

[round wraith]

oh wait i misread which one u replied to

mb

[round wraith]

hmm

surely it didnt get removed

the teaser

havent done apoth on live yet

[olive anvil]

Theres a chance i missed it
End of the quest very much felt like a “And now you do the raid” so i wasn’t paying too close attention

[round wraith]

after u finish talking to two it says "to be continued.... in...."

[olive anvil]

Thx for letting me know tho!
I’ll prolly explore all the dialogue myself

[round wraith]

np np

[blissful moon]

Are changelings human?

[round wraith]

no

[blissful moon]

Was the mist woods sovereign ever human? Where do changelings come from?

[round wraith]

what makes you think they would be

[round wraith]

go back to the prison part of true colors

theres a filing cabinet before the boss

that talks about the hallowground incident

it says a bit about that

come back here if u have questions or cant find it but i find its always best to read the real thing before someone tries to explain it

[slim belfry]

this is sorta less directly lore but does ||two's theme|| play anywhere because I dont remember it showing up

and I don't mean ||ominous because that's labeled ominous||

almost every ||sov have both variations|| some time

[delicate iron]

do the npcs appear anywhere after the questline

[drifting aurora]

yes

[delicate iron]

like is there any extra dialogue

[drifting aurora]

it plays during ensemble of hope

[slim belfry]

ohhhhhh

I wasn't sure which that was

ty

[unreal fractal]

is it known if we'll get more lore after the end of the questline? like an expansion of fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

we will get epliogue

someday

[unreal fractal]

that means the storyline is done right?

[hybrid gazelle]

no idea

but yeah

this chapter that we have rn is pretyt much done

we got start and ending

the rest likely comel ateri n dern or other story expansion IDK

[limber swan]

if the butterfly effect was a dern quest I would be surprised as hell

especially when dern is prolly 7+ years away

it's probably just a lvl 120 ensemble type story

kinda like the breaking point

ik wastelands won't have too much of an effect on Fruma's main story but there has to be something important in butterfly effect there right?

[uneven basin]

Does anyone feel like the rough works are a bit too green ?

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

[uneven basin]

I expected fallen Factory tier ecological devastation but nah green grass all over

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it nto get to that point YET

because we still have algae agrowing all over the place

[slim belfry]

I think it would've been worse if ||soosu didn't get involved with electricity or whatever it's called||

[hybrid gazelle]

Theory
Gallahaut are recently advancement following discovery of corkian advancement in mech

[slim belfry]

||they do look like giant mech suits yeah||

||they're bulky like soosu's gauntlets||

[uneven basin]

I get it but we have electricity in our world and it doesn't keep our slums green

[slim belfry]

it's cleaner than flippin coal

[uneven basin]

Alright true if it's explained at one point with what exactly fruma generates electricity I haven't reached it yet

[slim belfry]

but you and trashie have a point because of the algal pollution

I don't think roughworks water is safe to swim in

[uneven basin]

Considering the toxic gunk world event I don't think it is either lol

[grizzled frost]

probably from turbines in the dam (aka hydropower)

makes me wonder if ||soosu || will go crazy over the magmatic mountains of the dwarves and make 5 bazillion geothermal power plants

[uneven basin]

Speaking of || sosu I wonder what she'd think (or have thought) of antikythera's level of intelligence considering what she's trying to do with her golems ||

[slim sparrow]

Who is this guys?

I need her name

[rustic nexus]

||Sovereign Two/Spymaster||

[slim sparrow]

Which quest i can know her name ?

[hybrid gazelle]

||Overture of despair||

[frigid sandal]

has anyone translated the transcription in the secret discovery sunken monument?

[blissful moon]

|| Is the queen like Lari and Bak'al or more like orphion and dern beast? ||

[mystic fulcrum]

dern beast

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean?

[blissful moon]

||like is she just a follower of war or is she THE war||

[hybrid gazelle]

spoiler that

||Yeah then the latter||

[sacred hazel]

Bro i gave some turist like 2le by accident for his hotel i hope he will pay back XDDD

[feral storm]

wait is The missing piece ||Syndra and resistence Syndra the same person?||

[hybrid gazelle]

He can’t

He from auburn

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[candid cliff]

No it's a 1:1 clone

[sacred hazel]

: (

[candid cliff]

Made by dr legendary

[candid cliff]

Am I oblivious for still not seeing the "confirmation" of Aledar & Tasim being a thing. Maybe they changed the dialogue (Did only first 2 quests in LIVE server) but I don't see anything even close to that

With ||Zeph & Yuman it's much more obvious, & with Maxie you get a straight up confirmation||

It's odd to me a bit

[pulsar lynx]

Are they? I never thought they were

[candid cliff]

Me neither

But a while back someone in #your_work said it's confirmed in Fruma or whatever

which I'm just not seeing in the slightest

[pulsar lynx]

Did you finish the fruma quest line?

[ancient dock]

I don't think there was an interaction

Like that

[candid cliff]

In Beta, yes

In Live only first 2, waiting for fixes so I don't miss out on Zhiraok & other stuff

[pulsar lynx]

I thought they had a brother relationship if they weren't biological brothers

||While playing I did wonder if he would turn out to be Rex's lost brother||

[little stone]

||i've finished all the main quests, can someone explain how tasim murdering guards in the trailer ties into the lore itself if he joined the queen to begin with?||

[exotic bough]

It was misdirection I think

[summer bluff]

It was bait

[past plover]

Ah come on I wanted L O R E

[exotic bough]

||Everyone expected tasim to join the resistance so his reveal as a sovereign could be much more surprising||

[summer bluff]

There's still like 4 books in there, one of them is abt the history of the mistwoods (as told by the crown)

[past plover]

Need more

[candid cliff]

If you didn't get it yet || there's someone in Wynn province you met that is veryy similiar to her ||

[slim belfry]

||it's very funny how similar they are||

[pulsar lynx]

||Unless that was his ascension when he was "blessed"||

[slim belfry]

||yeah I think that was his training montage
lol we all got fooled||

[pulsar lynx]

I finished all the quests in the game I am blanking

[candid cliff]

||Recover the past, the guy with the boat||

[pulsar lynx]

Ahhhh

[sullen estuary]

is the daily lr bonus based on per camp or not?

[slim belfry]

yes it's per camp

same with sacs

[sullen estuary]

oops wrong channel

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-holding-back-laughter-laughter-gif-23404300

[slim belfry]

smh only fair if it's player tasim aledar

[sacred hazel]

Im at Ensemble of Hope quest and I swear If ill have to fight Tasim and after defeating him he will go "So you didnt killed him did you, you saved him.. how pathetic am I, to ever doubt in my best friend... I hope you will forgive me.. goodbye" Im gonna cry

[shut hornet]

i mean

why would he say that

you didnt save aledar at all

[sacred hazel]

dont say that

i bet he is happy

he sacrified himself for us, and we as player took revange on what took him away

[shut hornet]

nah his soul was shattered and destroyed, if there is an afterlife he is not there

[sacred hazel]

you dont have proof it was shattered and destroyed it just took his soul

[hybrid gazelle]

it literally shattered

[shut hornet]

i do, actually. ||Two says so in Overture to Despair||

[hybrid gazelle]

okay I pretty sure festival of spirit talk about this

let me go check

[sacred hazel]

oh ok i didnt know who the Shade was

[hybrid gazelle]

||dern beast||

[sacred hazel]

I see

well then he aint got anything to complain dont he

: D

[serene moth]

any areas we know exist but arent in the game yet?

besides dern ofcourse

[hybrid gazelle]

woc planet

wybel planet

and that pretyt much it

[warm flicker]

hasnt lexnt mentioned something about what the land beyond gavel looks like and never brought it up again?

nope seems i made that up

[nocturne nimbus]

morgor

[warm flicker]

but i do vaguely recall some content team member mentioning that there was canonically land beyond gavel's borders

[nocturne nimbus]

genuinely, never trust CT members

90% of the time they don’t know what they’re talking about

[steep forum]

wastelands lol

[brave rune]

woc?

[serene moth]

true

i read the thing about project hallowground

sounds very interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

cow people

[muted kelp]

Anyone know how to get to where the price of ingenuity starts?? i cant figure it out lol

[rustic nexus]

in the silver feather base

don't follow the beacon

[muted kelp]

where is that at?

nvm i found it

[ancient dock]

||the changeling in general's orders and gikyo are not the same right? Cuz I think the one in general's order is a random changeling||

[rustic nexus]

no

||in general's orders that's just an escaped changeling||

[ancient dock]

Alright thanks

[frigid sandal]

is sovereign two an olm?

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know

[brave rune]

<@&268142859327242242>

[mystic fulcrum]

Why would sovereign two have something to do with olm? She said that she made a mistake in the quest but I didn't see anything in the catacomb

[hexed birch]

||connection is that she was most likely in wynn around the same time as the olm were about, but i dont think she is an olm, at least with current info (which tbf is barely any), but if she was id imagine it woudve come up at some point but idk||

[hybrid gazelle]

OKay this gonna be bit to explain but this is MOSTLY THEORY
||Her being an olm would give her the motive to against Light and Dark to be moer personal as the olms are taken away by Dern. Also we know that Two unlike other sovereign seems to pursue the interestof actually tipping the scale rather than just serving the queen so she has her own reason to pursue that goal along with the queen.

The said catacomb also located in Mistwood and with recently added secrets discovery, The mistwood once have a settlement called Uthak. If we go back to the shrine in Roughwork where it mention a settlement called Tolos and Nifilihm. These 2 settlements are mention to be "Hunted" and "Voliate" which match describe of Olmic City in SE(Olms being hunted by Dern Beast) and Time Valley(Time magic make the place unstable). So catacomb located in Mistwood in which Two visit there have some implication it could have olmic origin but we do not have clear confirmation yet

Also Two seems to have ability revolve around predicting possiblity. If we go back to Roughwork shrine again and we assume the Astromancer with capital A are the olms who foresee the stars, we could interprept that these Astromancer are the olms. Their ability to predict share similarity with Two's ability and purpose serving the queen||

||also purple color that often associate wit hthe olms if not Dern but she made it clear that she is not associate with Dern sooo by process of elemination||

[hexed birch]

||Tolos and nifilim are not locations btw, idk how much you know/want to know about translations about that||

[hybrid gazelle]

This is new to me can you tell

[hexed birch]

||from the buried records scroll 2, a world creation myth has been translated. Nifilim and tolos are ancient gods of fruma from before the queen, they are gods of fire and earth respectively, there are more for each element too, and they correspond to each fruma region. Tolos is a deer/stag, hence why it is “hunted”, nifilim is a fire salamander, it being “volatile” was probably what frumans interpreted volcanic activity as, is my guess||

[frigid sandal]

idk i thought she was an olm simply because in the cutscene where we looked at her memory, the structures around her reminded me of the ruined olmic city, and she looks like an olm with the colors and all. so yea thats why i asked since i dont have any evidence

[shut hornet]

bruh two is a girl

???

[frigid sandal]

whoops mb

ye ik shes a girl i kinda mix up pronouns a lot

[hexed birch]

That structure is in fruma, its under the citadel, you can visit it from mistwoods

[frigid sandal]

ah i see

its a secret discovery i assume?

[hexed birch]

Just a thing for players to find while exploring, no content there

[frigid sandal]

ah, alr

[hybrid gazelle]

ohhhh

that make a lot of sense

||Wait what would this make Uthak tho, could it be possible the settlement name after a god too||

[hexed birch]

||no idk what uthak is exactly, ive yet to play fruma on live, the god of air/mist is a white owl called Sasshahuth||

[hybrid gazelle]

||Can I see this translation||

[hexed birch]

One sec

[hybrid gazelle]

||also why that does name eerily like it could be a demon anme||

[hexed birch]

I did snatch some pics from the old thread before it got nuked

Nvm apparently i didn’t

[hybrid gazelle]

||So our world is changing. Tolos is hunted, and Nifilis grows voliate" is just a figure of speech||

||Maybe it's figure of speech how the world changing||

||The god of Earth being hunted down which then in turn cause the God of Fire to turn voliate||

[hexed birch]

||most likely yeah, using signs of the gods to support their argument. Might talk about volcanic eruptions and overhunting||

[hybrid gazelle]

||I got fruman language doc but they dont have translation||

||Just record||

[hexed birch]

I do i do have a guesstimated translation actually, i just didn’t save it were i first though

[hybrid gazelle]

FUCKKK

[hexed birch]

This was a translation posted by aabalony with some guesswork
|| After God left the emptiness, ...
The uncultivated earth would be made into a grander creation.
First, the god Nifilis was summoned into existence.
..., and Nifilis's ravines(?).
But, the created world was still empty.
A second being called the god Atlahas encircled(?) from ...
... became complete, and wide rivers and ... seas filled.
When Nifilis's ... was made complete with Atlahas's ..., the world was ...
A third being called the god Tolos bloomed(?) from the quiet.
Bright flowers, sprouting grasses, and tall trees grew from ...
Although the world was alive, it was still quiet.
Then, the first people ... from the canopies of the flowers and trees.
The god Tolos bestowed the tool of (?), teaching them the way of cultivating the earth, of farming, and of ...
The god Atlahas bestowed the tool of family, teaching them the way of raising ... people, of building families, and of taking care of children.
The god Nifilis bestowed the tool of ..., teaching them the way of ..., and of ... the earth's ... and evaluating ...
But, the canopy of the ... harbored ... dangers, predators and ..., and ...
In order to defend God's people, ... grown from the god Sascahud's ... arrived.
The god bestowed the tool of prosperity(?), teaching them the way of ...ing safety, and of deciding ... battles.
Although the world was full of development and ..., it was devoid of ...
This was the god Nasaheksh's ...
..., for the people that possessed the will to create magic, could ...
The god bestowed the tool of statecraft(?), teaching them the way of guiding the world, and of ruling their states.
The world from God's ... was seen.
God's people used the tools(?), and were beginning to ... the world.
The world began to ... with God's ..., and took on …
||

And this was posted by snerp about them

|| so what im thinking here is,
NIFILIS = fiery salamander [NII], (???, would make sense for something fire associated to "become volatile")
ATLAHAS = cerulean fox [AZ], (auburn, associated with water, word and description matches with the "PRESH AH ATLAHAZ" in lootrun)
TOLOS = elegant deer [TOL], (roughworks, would make sense for a deer to be "hunted")
SASSHAHUTH = white feathered owl [UTH], (mistwoods, only thing similar would be owl clan in mistwoods which matches the enviroment described)
NASAHEKSH = winged serpent [EK], (highlands, serpent iconography in house nasin and the sunken monument whose text also contains "NASAHEKSH"
||

||nifilis is wastelands btw, it used to be volcanic and thats were the cinnabar is from, which is created by volcanic activity ||

[digital swan]

did they make an actual fucking language

[hexed birch]

||also tool has been retconned to be more like “teachings” by the language translators||

[hexed birch]

Yup!

[digital swan]

why tf

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

[digital swan]

pain to translate

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

this is a lot

[digital swan]

rather than just characters

[hexed birch]

True but also its cooler

[brave rune]

why not make it easy to get to level 100 in just an hour

[hexed birch]

The fuckass wynn town names have actual roots as to why theyre called that now

[brave rune]

we play games for the journey

[hybrid gazelle]

||ooo wait that make sense waiitttt||

WAIRT HOLD UP

||If we take each district according to the rune||

|| that would make post raid door make sense||

||If we uncover each ultimate discovery of each district that mean we can open up palace door||

[hexed birch]

||yeah snerp literally predicted the door aligning to the map before the world creaton myth was patched in, bro is a psychic||

[brave rune]

where did u hear this

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

||so wasteland is a volcano region||

||but consider how there mention of the fact that there are cosmic madness going on that Sohso needed||

[hexed birch]

||it being volcanic is a theory based on the provided evidence. Cinnabar coming from volcanos is just real world info||

[digital swan]

15 minutes, you mean

[hybrid gazelle]

||could it be that there is a meteor landed and it fucked up the volcanic activity with its cosmic magic||

[brave rune]

no like

[hybrid gazelle]

||so the entire region become abanoned||

[digital swan]

or however much the powerlevelers do it in

[brave rune]

||nifilis as the name of the wastelands||

[hexed birch]

||Its the one left over, not associated with a region, it ligns up with the post-raid rune door layout of the runes, and nifilis is visually described as digging though the earth and showing the people gemstones in the scroll (stones most likely being cinnabar)||

[digital swan]

WHAR.

[brave rune]

||when you say one left over, you mean a rune?||

[digital swan]

does this mean I have to stop calling Elkurn "Elkhorn"

[brave rune]

yea in fruman its ETLKOTH ~ ETLKOD

[digital swan]

wtf does that mean

[brave rune]

tbd

ETL- is a 1st person possessive prefix

our KOTH

[hexed birch]

||nah i mean in snerps theory, some are very strongly associated like fox for auburn and owl for mistwoods, snake for highlands, and the “mythic” items lign up with the rune door elements, earth dagger is in roughworks which matches those two up. We know nifilis is the fire god from the text, and NIF is the sign of fire/ ancient name for nii rune||

[warm flicker]

||god i wish Tolos was the name of the Olmic city, it makes so much sense considering that is the only place in Wynn with a Tol altar||

[brave rune]

||i may talk to snerp to learn more but im not seeing evidence that the regions are named after the gods||

||where do you have NIF as sign of fire, or do you mean the nii rune||

[hybrid gazelle]

||but now it make sense to why the person in the shrine would said those name tho||

[hexed birch]

||thats fair enough it is unconfirmed theory stuff||

[digital swan]

does the Olmic city have a name yet

[hybrid gazelle]

||so now it's more like figure of speech later than just for some reason mentioning the olms city LOL||

||the writing flow much better when you have this context||

[warm flicker]

no confirmed name sadly

[hexed birch]

||nif is the ancient fruman word for nii, it means the element of fire. The visual symbol for a nii rune are the fruman characters N I F put together||

[digital swan]

For the next update is there a place where I can suggest "Berlin"

[warm flicker]

wait for the Dern update, coming in 2050

[brave rune]

||where is the evidence for it meaning fire||

[digital swan]

Dern never 😬

[brave rune]

||im not trying to be facetious but im seeing some gaps in the chain||

[hexed birch]

||the runes are each associated with the elements. The clearest evidence is can think of is the vfx for the fire powder special lol, which uses nii (each special uses the respective rune) Throughout the quests the runes are tied to the elements via the weaver as well||

[hybrid gazelle]

||also IDK how important this is but during my stream, a CT mentioning that the order that Yasanu saying the element need to be rearrange in the beta||

||which I tend overlap with the way runes are being arrange in buried record||

[hexed birch]

||yeah its all good, i understand, i am also just recalling from memory and i do suggest you look into were all this comes from in the game itself||

[brave rune]

||yes ok, so the runes themselves are associated with the elements. That doesn't mean that their phonetic values are necessarily associated with the same elements||

[hexed birch]

||its written with a nii rune in the text, not just N I F next to eachother||

[brave rune]

||its likely, but not certain. there are many contexts where the rune NII or the sequence NIF do not refer to the rune or the fire||

[brave rune]

||that tells us about meaning not necessarily pronunciation||

||for example the words for "town" and "move" in fruman also appear to be pronounced NIF||

||and i have to check but im pretty sure they're spelled with NII in some cases||

[hexed birch]

||its spelled Nifilis in the english text, i think thats a relatively good suggestion on how to pronounce it even though english is ofc not technically phonetic||

[brave rune]

i think i need to back up, and also maybe stop spoilering bc i dont think this is a huge thing

[rustic nexus]

why are you spoiler tagging this btw

it's just the fruman language

[hexed birch]

Lmao yeah fair enough

Discord gameplay mechanic (click on the message)

[brave rune]

what we know is that

• the nii rune is associated with fire
• the nii rune is a ligature in old fruman for NIF

[rustic nexus]

lol

[brave rune]

this doesnt necessarily mean that:

• all instances of the nii rune in old fruman represent a word for fire

(or root for fire)

[hexed birch]

Thats true

But i think its the case for nifilis since it is described together with fire, each god clearly matches an element if you ask me

[brave rune]

more or less but that doesn't mean the constituent rune corresponds to the element

for example, there's another god, ATLAHAS

that last AS is spelled with the az rune

ATLAH[az]

[hexed birch]

Ye

[brave rune]

however, we are pretty certain that LAHAS means fox

[hexed birch]

But thats without az right

Is what ur saying

[brave rune]

ATLAH[az] = atlahaz
LAHAS = fox

now we have pretty secure evidence that 3/5 god names contain the name of the animal they are within them

so for example SASCAHUD, HUD means owl and SASCAHUD is an owl

so we can say that (although you may contest this assumption) ATLAHAZ is the combination of some AT + LAHAS

[sacred hazel]

Got a question so last quest from Fruma expansion is raid but after doing it there is no cutscene no dialogue no nothing at all just killed queen and thats it?

[hybrid gazelle]

there is epliogue

[brave rune]

unless LAHAS is a complex root meaning LAH+AS, we have to assume the [az] rune corresponds to the phonetic componenet AS

[hybrid gazelle]

and there will be more

[sacred hazel]

what lvl needed?

[hybrid gazelle]

none

complete the raid

[brave rune]

not any sort of semantic component associated with whatever the rune itself is associated with

[hybrid gazelle]

and ||go to leave base and walk around||

[brave rune]

and indeed, throughout the text, we have evidence of the runes being used in contexts unified by phonetics, not semantics

[sacred hazel]

so i need to leave the palace region ye?

[brave rune]

ie the runes are ligatures for sounds, and we do not have good evidence that their insertion has any impact on meaning, other than perhaps ceremonial significance of the writing itself

[azure tangle]

he means ||the leaves in the wind base in auburn forest yes||

[brave rune]

but this does not impact the meaning, just as writing english in cursive does not change its meaning

does that make sense

[sacred hazel]

Oh I see ok thanks mate

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[brave rune]

tl;dr the runes in old fruman writing behave like ligatures for sound, not meaning

and we should be cautious in ascribing any meaning beyond that without more evidence

[hallow burrow]

Sohso is confirmed there (Yahya's Nohno's and Mehme's sister)

[serene moth]

figured thats who they meant with the scientist from outside the province

excited

[shut hornet]

since when did u guys decide sohso is a girl

im pretty sure sohso is explicitly referred to as a he

[hallow burrow]

I believe it was said somewhere in a quest.

[rustic nexus]

sohso transitioned inside of fruma

[hallow burrow]

You may be right

I am uncertain

[rustic nexus]

but yeah, he is used to mention that he's going to fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

Sohso step into Fruma and decide she need to transition

Would not that make ||Seilum transphobic consider he refer Sohso as a he..||

[azure tangle]

the 4 of them have always been referred to as 4 brothers

[rustic nexus]

yup

[wraith shard]

Any help translating? It's from ||The Sunken Monument||

[brave rune]

honestly no clue for that one

its too short and the grammar is weird

[spring kernel]

#1489836179665981621

[tight star]

is there a lore recap for someone who hasnt played in ages lol

[paper wyvern]

Crappy 5 second recap
Aledar died and you killed him. Taism doesnt know that
There are forces of light and dark fighting for control of reality but neither are good or evil
Big nether portal leaking nether and causing undead but its not the nether thats not cannon anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

Then why the fuck did you mention the nether

Just say realm of war or corruption

[paper wyvern]

cause its supposed to be a bad recap

I saw you typing and assumed you were about to link some lore thread

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I was about to

[tight star]

lol ok

[hybrid gazelle]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/summary-of-wynncraft-lore.323434/

Some of these outfated due to fruma

[tight star]

wait, undead?

[hybrid gazelle]

But general gist should be the same

Yeah that

[tight star]

oh is that nesakk/bob stuff?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

It all over Wynn

[paper wyvern]

no the corrupted are undead

[hybrid gazelle]

Like

Yeah lol

[paper wyvern]

like theres zombies and skeleteons everywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

80% of Wynn mobs are undead

[tight star]

corrupted as in corrupted dungeons?

or like the lvl 1 zombies

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Well similar

[paper wyvern]

read the lore recap

[hybrid gazelle]

But corrupted as in the undead

[paper wyvern]

the actual one

[tight star]

oh just mobs in general i guess

k

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Oh okay

Here explaination

Corruption is a force created by the conflict of the two beast which are light and dark

[paper wyvern]

wynn mobs are all bandit, undead, wild animal, or social outcast

[hybrid gazelle]

During the openning, the portal to the realm thst corruption reside in would open to Wynn province

[tight star]

wait this rings a bell... this is from realm of light quest?

[wraith shard]

Why I can't tell him? I could during the beta

[hybrid gazelle]

This corruption peak out in Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[tight star]

ohhh

[hybrid gazelle]

hey removed that

[paper wyvern]

because they didnt complete the alt dialogue in time for release

[hybrid gazelle]

It will be reads once the route is done

[wraith shard]

oh. what a pity

Now he hates me :(

[hasty sluice]

anybody here know who solved fruma secret discoveries?

[paper wyvern]

dont worry he's an idiot

[hybrid gazelle]

How tho

Why is he an idiot

[wraith shard]

Yeah, free insult

[paper wyvern]

am I not allowed to insult a guy for siding with a dictatorship to the point of sunk cost fallacy

[wraith shard]

I haven't completed Blosom of the Blades 2 but I was the one to shit it first

[wraith shard]

Well, from the point of spmeone that doesn't know anything about the province I think that changing from inside can be better than starting a revolution. Specially if its againist a god

[paper wyvern]

yeah the fruma questline is like a month max he aint getting much done

[gleaming mesa]

When are wastelands releasing

[paper wyvern]

2027 probably

[gleaming mesa]

Ah

Do we have this on good authority

[paper wyvern]

all we have is a year

[gleaming mesa]

Uhhh where was this said

[tight star]

in another seven years lol

[gleaming mesa]

Bruh

[tight star]

hopefully jk lol

[paper wyvern]

cant wait for dern in 2040

[brave rune]

lowkey though

once we have dern

that's all the areas we really know about

we've known about fruma and dern for a really long time

[tight star]

reliving childhood in 2040 would kinda be a vibe though lmao

[brave rune]

once that's out we're at the end of the road

[azure tangle]

Bloomi!

[gleaming mesa]

Morgor and Bloomi

[brave rune]

no please only one april fools location in my game

still cant believe corkus is real sometimes

[azure tangle]

the content team cant either

[paper wyvern]

the random steampunk themed sci fi area

[brave rune]

not to mention that corkus is like

incredibly well done

[gleaming mesa]

Not enough quests

[brave rune]

great builds that have aged well (imo), interesting quests

[brave rune]

yes this is the only issue

[paper wyvern]

yeah my one issue with corkus is it could use a few more side quests

[brave rune]

a elaborate secret discovery, an awesome dungeon

[paper wyvern]

its got a good 4 part main questline but only 2 side quests

[brave rune]

unique enemies and NPCs

legendary island