📚lore_discussion

[signal bough]

I’m only halfway through the auburn forest 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I recommend to put this channel off while you are playing fruma

Some big spoiler already got mention here

[restive yacht]

time to discuss future lore

Rex + Caid moment when?

[tawdry mural]

next questline i presume

[hybrid gazelle]

Likely in festival

Caid is not that important of character

Nor did he has potential to be

[restive yacht]

i think u missed a bit of lore

[hybrid gazelle]

So their reunion likely in festival

[slim belfry]

festival is gonna be really good yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

I do not miss the lore

[slim belfry]

you meet him

one time

[hybrid gazelle]

But I also do not expect fucking Caid to appear in ||Dern storyline||

Neither do Rex

[restive yacht]

i meaan, it's still rex's brother, now that || she lost her arm, and fruma province is no longer a regime, we might see reunions||

[hybrid gazelle]

These character so far seems severe their role well in fruma story

[restive yacht]

possibly a secret untracked quest (?)

[hybrid gazelle]

And now they can simply exist and be part of the epilogue with some cameo in the future

[restive yacht]

like afelis

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s fine

Afelis is special case

[restive yacht]

REx: misses her brother so bad

[hybrid gazelle]

We likely see them in blizzard festival

That likely the best time for reunion

[restive yacht]

ig

[hybrid gazelle]

Blizzard gonna change a lot lol

[restive yacht]

can you knock down constables in the factory??

holy subway surfers

guys can we have a clip of the postmaster when we ask him to pay us

[neat oriole]

do horses die after they breed

[calm kelp]

dont think so

[pseudo pawn]

when will the truth route be added? i'm really scared I screwed up and my main it locked out of it cause I didn't know it wasn't implemented. I haven't completed the quest yet but i'm already past the point I could've told him. Will there be a way to get back on truth route if I didn't complete the quest yet? like a reset or something?

[real badge]

||wait so we never had the option to tell tasim about adelar????||?

did they change it?

[pseudo pawn]

No and i found out LITERALLY RIGHT AFTER the tasim fight, and I was really sad and I haven't gotten on my main because of it because it was like the one thing I wanted to do

I thought they had just changed it to where you tell him a little later in the quest

[real badge]

wait what is the truth route?? do the options actually change the quest??? yo

i read the wiki and both options make him do the thing right

i thought ||he accepted the deal both times||

[pseudo pawn]

it's the option where you tell ||Tasim the truth about aledar being dead||, supposedly it's just dialogue changes but I really wanted to start doing it on my main and i'm waiting to see if when it's implemented, my Queen's Recruit progress gets reset so I can chose the truth option since I haven't completed Queen's Recruit yet

[real badge]

wait the notes say that ||the option to tell him|| got removed after release so idk if they will bring it back

cuz why would they remove the option

unless it was bugged or somethign but idk

[pseudo pawn]

it's unfinished from what I understand

[exotic bough]

It will

It’s disabled temporarily

[real badge]

😭

hopefully we get another chance

[pseudo pawn]

yeah i'd really like a second chance, even if it really doesn't matter in the long run my conscience would like a second chance to make a choice

[pallid glen]

you have more classes!

[pseudo pawn]

true, but I wanted to do it on my main and that's kinda what really mattered to me.

it's not that big a deal, but i'm still gonna wait to see if I can redo the quest, so until then, Queen's recruit will remain uncompleted on my main. I'm definitely gonna still play on different classes though cause i'm fine with them doing Non-Truth route

[hallow basin]

Is there a reason my health bar is askew from my item bar and despite holding my weapon it wont let me quick cast any spells as it says i need to hold a weapon? Hadal should still be working

[split night]

The more I learnt about Aledar the more heart broken it felt when we have to sacrifies him at the atlar in retrospecte
He was a hero, even before his exile 😭

[dim plover]

The healthbar being off is a wynntils thing I think

[hallow basin]

Ok thanks. Im gonna try to redownload and see if that fixes it

[split night]

okay I have done the first two part
what i have noted down so far

[hybrid gazelle]

"tehre are more women in Fruma than outside"

😭

[split night]

🔥 ✏️

[hidden dragon]

“Did this Wynncraft update include any official character artwork of Lari?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[restive yacht]

pls bring the lari inflation image now

[brazen knot]

yo doing the realm of light questline lari is PISSING ME OFF

[limber swan]

hopefully soon

[uneven basin]

Fruma second zone spoiler || so are we just killing regular construction workers now? Or is that explained later on ||

[young sequoia]

||I would believe its just for gameplay||

[hybrid gazelle]

||some dialogue imply that workers just mistook you for a cop so they start jumping||

[pseudo pawn]

I will say though, the way it goes about pushing you into the non-truth route is very smart. It's just Tasim breaking your train of though, and you never tell him. Sure it's a little forced but it makes sense

[uneven basin]

Incredible

[hybrid gazelle]

||THESE ROGUHWORK MFS WILL GUTS YOU ALIVE FOR 3 EMERALDS||

[uneven basin]

|| In fruma it's on sight when the cops walk in ||

[signal bough]

||my ass who's walking around with 1.5 stx of LE on me cause I need to buy more emerald pouches:|| 👁️ 👄 👁️

[restive yacht]

have u tried doing F skip cutscenes

[tribal crystal]

Um what happened to the grook cave...

[signal bough]

im so sorry...

the grook didnt make it...

[tribal crystal]

tje entire terrain changed...

[glossy shoal]

guys is rex brother aledar ? or i am not far enough in to the quest to figure it out

i am at "revelation in fall"

[hybrid gazelle]

you can already figure out by what you have

look at her color scheme, does it remind you of certain someone from a quest realted to Fruma?

[ashen tinsel]

different timeline when stuffs were needed/done, will be updated soontm to have the newer version, the whole ajh area is much older than the current tutorial build

[tribal crystal]

got it.
When possible please add back the grook cave and make it an actual cave like it was in the hero beta... Since the reason it was removed was because its inaccesable for players outside the tutorial

[dim plover]

The cave joke can’t really exist with the new version anymore, actually, which is unfortunate

[dim plover]

Doesn’t the guy in that spot tell you that the Grook Cave was caved in or smth

[tribal crystal]

no... they just say there was a cavein right? brb

[dim plover]

That’s what the guard told me in the beta anyway

[tribal crystal]

actully it did... RIP
Guard: It even crushed the grook's nest there. I've been working off field rations for a few days. So where are you headed?

That can be changed... but oh well..

[tribal crystal]

Would be nice if it remains accesable even after the quest is done like current... (where all but the train area is still accesable)

[ashen relic]

Honestly sad because it's legit one of the best jokes in the game

[spring kernel]

why would we make it an actual cave

[limber swan]

no buddy

look at recover the past again

or rather

talk to one of the npcs from it again

its like

[signal bough]

least memorable recover the past character smh

[limber swan]

obvious who it is

[slim belfry]

it's funny how obvious it is that one doesnt have to say or ask who it is

[signal bough]

there's an old dude in Espren who looks a bit like Tasim, any relation, do you think?

[glossy shoal]

oh wait

ok no only one who comes to my mind is tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

It not Tasim

There literally like

A character who is almost has 1 to 1 color scheme to her lol

[glossy shoal]

wtf

caid?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[glossy shoal]

mhhh

[tribal crystal]

fair was an actual cave originally.

[split night]

More note

I love how the player's Character is just, stole a dead person infinite free of charge train pass

well i mean, she look like she's not gonna use it anyway so, might as well just yoink it for ourselve

[signal bough]

will kill innocent people(olux mayor) for god

[slim belfry]

gosh I'd be friends with canon player while also backing away a few times

[signal bough]

theory that's prob wrong about the coming back from death thing(fruma chapter 1 spoilers):
||the player comes back from death because they got sovereigned. Def wrong, death said the player needs to kill their killer, and the Queen would absolutely know if the player had been.||

[slim belfry]

I want to say it but I can't

darn it

[signal bough]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-lebingus-gif-25269266

[split night]

I'm pretty sure it's just a scenario, it's not canon ( in the case that it happened in our timeline ) but it did happen in our memory

you gotta keep that clear

[slim belfry]

intention is still there tho

[signal bough]

damn, didnt know orphion hunter called us

[split night]

mind you i killed the ass at least 15 times before i pick the mayor for the sake of progression

[signal bough]

same

[split night]

RoL need a rework no way Orphion has to pull that as an example 😭

[slim belfry]

I left instead a dozen times

[signal bough]

my working theory is that it was Orphion, but there's a few holes in that, but I literally cant think of anyone else who could possibly have a good relationship with and a direct line with death

[slim belfry]

it's funny that making the choice is like unintentional foreshadowing of ||trying to tell tasim|| at the end of queen's recruit

[split night]

i fucking hate that i can't discuss anything because i haven't play far enough into the questline yet

[signal bough]

so it's answered in fruma?

[split night]

it's killing me

[signal bough]

yeah same

only halfway through industrial 😭

[slim belfry]

oh no I meant I wanna say beyond the grave isn't canon but it is

[signal bough]

oh

[slim belfry]

sigh

[signal bough]

its the newest fashion

in universe explanations for resurrection

ofc there's a quest that attempts to provide that

[split night]

I'd much rather the dying mechanic being a fourth wall thing instead of a canon, in-universe thing. That explanation suck reall hard

[slim belfry]

^

there are easier and BETTER ways to explore resurrection

[signal bough]

the fruma chapter 1 spoiler ||funny fruma water is a good one, for an example||

[split night]

Like you don't need to explan why the player's Character can cast corruption spells

xd

[slim belfry]

that's ||immortality not resurrection||

[split night]

or Orphion spell in that matter

[slim belfry]

unless it could be?

we don't know yet

but also cough ||zhiraok||

[slim belfry]

yeah archetypes aren't canon
BUT
the abilities themselves exist to be lore compliant

[signal bough]

fruma chapter 1-halfway through chapter 2 ||at the end of fruma chapter one, zhiraok gets killed and Sndyra says he'll come back, and then within like, 3-4 in-universe days he's walking around without noticable injuries||

[slim belfry]

let me ask you something
what's the fight like

you can determine the reason why from that

specifically anything special

[signal bough]

no idea, he bugged out but there were a couple other players and one of them was able to actually damage him

[slim belfry]

🫠

ugh

ok I'm being too high standard it'll be more obvious later

[signal bough]

queen presumably also drank the funny fruma water

but she's also a powerful mage

[slim belfry]

she's scary and has to be stopped

[signal bough]

I cant wait to overthrow her regime to plug fruma into the global capitalist system

[slim belfry]

lol

wonder what a better system would be like if everyone had to retire

probably a more ethical internal trade system

[tardy tide]

Do we ever find out who rex’s brother is

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

you met him

[limber swan]

what are you using to take notes down?

[split night]

It's a mod called notes, it's on fabric

[tardy tide]

Is that a secret discovery

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[tardy tide]

Then who

[young sequoia]

||Caid||

[tardy tide]

Who tf is caid

[young sequoia]

the guy in recover the past quest

[tardy tide]

Ah

[whole river]

What the fuck lmao it’s you

[slender copper]

Tbf, Orphion didn't give you a choice in the made of scenario. If you choose Dr. U you get put in a ball and sent back lol.

[whole river]

That’s cuz Orphion put stocks into Dr. U’s company. I feel like forcing the villagers to stop being lazy and lock in again is more effective than the golems especially with their past victories

[polar moth]

ah of course. Because children, naturally, are lazy.

its wild that the correct option according to God is to fucking kill a mayor who did nothing wrong except try to protect his people for a while in an immoral way and then try to repent

[slender copper]

Because it's "what's nessesary". I feel like this is a good introduction to showing that Orphion is about as bad as Dern Beast with how they view the physical plane. They're only goal is to expand afterall. The Corruption is simply the clash between them.

[whole river]

Villagers might be the most successful race military wise ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

reminder this whole decay would not even happen if Orphion did not spread his light to Gavel

[slender copper]

Isn't the Decay the absence of light in Gavel?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes but it cause by thing having light in the first place

it like crack withdraw

this is like local drug dealer blaming it on the police for disrupting his drug trade

[whole river]

Based on the ultimate discovery it seems like Orphion doesn’t even care that this war for expansion is endless despite the growing pile of victims

[hybrid gazelle]

which cause withdraw to the victim

it basically that

[whole river]

He only starts caring when Dern beast cheats

[split night]

Like 12 yrs old kid being forced to stop watching their influencer

🥁

im so funny

[turbid minnow]

nah, corkains basically make gundams so they no diff the other races.

[whole river]

Corkians also had said gundams turn on them. I more meant like in terms of past conflicts. Villagers have beaten orcs, gerts, the raiders, the monarchists, even establishing loyal posts in Wynn.

[split night]

with the help of humans

they also didn't beat gerts in just the physical way
they also sign peace treaty with em

sky raiders are just... human, still xd

Honestly other than the warring personality
i don't think the villagers have that much identity tbh

[whole river]

Wdym?

[hybrid gazelle]

they likely assume humans were helping villagers even tho like

that only the case of recent

so no

that false

[whole river]

Yeah that was recent

[split night]

I mean, the gert and the orcs situation seems to get out of hand at the same time as our arrival

[whole river]

Villagers pummeled the orcs before that

the orcs are not winning this war dude

[split night]

Orc also seem to move away from home to near llevigar when it was overtaken by the decay

[split night]

I'm girl but like, Villager genuinely show little to no combat skills that I really don't want to be bias against them but It gets really bad xd

[hybrid gazelle]

originally they were handled pretty fine by villagers

it just there outside factor they did not account for and orc pretty much reduce to their capital with some camps scatter around

but yeah so far villagers has no identity

maybe someday CT will get idea how to remake them

[shut hornet]

their only identity is being comically racist and capitalistic

[whole river]

Also sorry

[hybrid gazelle]

LOL yeah if you put it that way

[split night]

Yeah basically that

[hybrid gazelle]

that their entirely identity LOL

but ofc I think the team can do better than that

[split night]

Not my goat Seaskipper though, he's way too goated

[whole river]

And yet they’re kinda the most successful so it really kinda confuses me lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

because gavel is

the region ever

so yeah

[split night]

Genuinely I'd say Seaskipper Captain carry like the whole villager race reputation at this point xd

[whole river]

But what I replied with kinda shows that orcs are not really an equal threat

like sure they’re bothersome but if the villagers really wanted to (this being the key factor) the orcs wouldn’t stand much of a chance

[split night]

Yeah i got that

Villager seem like they are doing exactly what the dwarfs did to doguns, just on a smaller scale

[whole river]

There’s definite parallels, but the villagers ironically are less greedy than the dwarves

They’re content with a ceasefire and a treaty, dwarves weren’t

[split night]

I don't think there's anything to even steal from the Orcs beside doing it for the love of the game

which the villager seems to love doing

[whole river]

We need the villagers to mass produce crusader Sabatons again

[split night]

Im gonna be honest they can as of now
Because Fruma writing genuinely blown me away and I've only done the part 3 quest thing

It's very high quality compare to the rest of the quest in the game

[exotic bough]

Fandom wiki detected, use wynncraft.wiki.gg instead

[whole river]

I use whatever pops up first

[exotic bough]

Get indiewikibuddy to get rid of fandom results

[whole river]

Wait really👀 that actually helps

[exotic bough]

Np

[split night]

I feel pretty conflicted about player's Character really. It seem pretty clear and referenced throughout the game that they are disconnected from us, the real like person controlling them yet they are also us, we are what make them

From the SE quest we know that our action through controlling the player's Character shape their soul too, I'd imagine talking with them is basically talking directly at player's Character

Do you think player's Character is its own character?

They also are chaotic good. They do weird things sometimes but most of the time their heart is at the right place

[hybrid gazelle]

https://youtu.be/rqDxNpBvtWI?si=xY2qwWb6oAAkqCvP&t=417

[split night]

Which one of those?

There are 3 of them

[hybrid gazelle]

I put time stamp

and it answer all

[split night]

Just say yes

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

depend

[split night]

player's Character is its own character, i wish we could name it something pretty but it's just us personafied

[hybrid gazelle]

info will be given

but it's up to you to interept

[split night]

interpret?

[hybrid gazelle]

the interview should answer your questions enough

[split night]

That part only say that the player's Character is its own character but also up to player interpretation

[hybrid gazelle]

if that how you see it then sure

[split night]

I mean I did bring up how they are a detective in 2 quest, willing to push people off cliffs to save them and other thing
they seem to have their own personality too

The soul mirror thing in SE quest especially

[hybrid gazelle]

if that how you see it then yes

that what your character is

[split night]

You don't get what I mean, I'm trying to pinpoint the universal rule for all Character
I don't really care about my character, cuz if I were to give them meaning it would just be in my own image because human are self centered but that beside the point

[hybrid gazelle]

I get what you mean

and I answer your question accordingly

[split night]

This is like using classical physic to answer a quantum physic problem

[hybrid gazelle]

well you answer a question that has no real answer

as you see those action that player character did aslo an intereptation done by indivudal CT

that may or may not agree with each other

[split night]

But yet it seems consistent

[hybrid gazelle]

Is it? Or do you interrept as it that way

[split night]

It's like noise, random noise in an empty room that all suddenly sound exactly the same for a moment and then random noise again

It feel like the old utc used to interpret frisk as us directly when frisk is their own character

Is such effort really is meaningless? Theorizing something that can never be confirmed fully
One universal law that can be taken directly is that as a base they want the player's Character to be an empty vessel yet it is not, it can talk, it can feel, it can remember. Is it so wrong trying to find someone that exist?

[hybrid gazelle]

it only meaningless if you think it is meaningless

[split night]

I'm running off track again
Mainly because it feel dissatisfying that this is the case of "Up to interpret" main character

It's a boring concept, one could work for the more general audience for sure

[hybrid gazelle]

It certainly is not for me

seeing all creations being created by different people and learning of their indivudal experience through the story is special

[split night]

Yet they leave bread crumbs of them for us to pin point what they are like, it's cruelty

[hybrid gazelle]

curelty or simply more foundation to build upon

[split night]

I'd take that as correct as in I agree with you

[hybrid gazelle]

you only give puzzle piece that will never be complete it nor you will satisfy on what you have until you take the mantle to finish it yourself

that is what will make your experience unique to you

feel moer personal to you

[split night]

I think I'm just disappointed there is no greater universal thing about them that I could talk about because they weren't meant to be put together to begin with

[hybrid gazelle]

I simply see different
nothing is greater than seeing many people draw, interept, and express themselves

I have many friends gain from this

discussion on how we see the story and how we experience it

and why the story matter to our characters in different way

[split night]

I'd honestly prefer calling it timelines
since it kind-of canon, I'd say player's Character start out the same but diverse the moment the gate open

[hybrid gazelle]

it's wonderful how many intereptation of the character can created from despite sharing similar origin

of course there are those who out of place but that what make those that do feel more special as they expression for their love for the world to the point they fully immerse themselves within it

[split night]

Honestly you enlightend me
but not similar origin, we can even fabricate their origin too as we don't know about their past, just that they committed a crime and got exiled

It's more that all player's Character start on the same path and diverse at the door

[hybrid gazelle]

a project created by many volunteers wanting to find their own place to express their creativity now also pass down to the players

now no matter how long time pass

no matter how writers come and gone

you, the character that you paly as, it still you
because you made it

that one constant factor

[split night]

I still hate that there are still force choices in the story that we can't really diverse from, it's a literally a canon event

man I wish RoL 2 was remade, just because of that scene where you have to murder someone to keep the golem thing a secret, it hurt my character and in extension me

[hybrid gazelle]

ofc there will be force choice similar to that of DND campagin

where some action need to be done in order to progress the story

either due to limitation or the writers lack of time or skill to express the story differently

[split night]

I agree on that front but, RoL is weird to put it lightly

It suck that it was made at the same time gavel expansion was made

[hybrid gazelle]

but it's also up to you to find a way to interept how that action may makse sense to your character

[split night]

I just imagine Orphion force us to kill some guy to enlightend us

which, doesn't make any sense

but yeah

[unreal wing]

I've encountered a bug in The Cursed one quest when I talk to the metal merchant the story won't progress any suggestions?

[split night]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/262012380878340096

[unreal wing]

Oh missclicked

Sorry

[split night]

but I could give you an answer and that is I don't really know
I just /class at least 3 times and it work after i tested it 3 times

xd

[unreal wing]

Ok lol

[split night]

It's very buggy for some reason

[hybrid gazelle]

I could name some OC that I come across that created from wynncraft's capability to allow player to interept their own character

[split night]

Give me such bonquet of creation

I mean I did made mine, it just a personafication of me, Ari the Archer

[hybrid gazelle]

One ofm y favorite is Larssen, I happen to become friend with the creator of his LOL

[split night]

I really enjoy talking with you, rarely do I see someone speak in poetry and metaphor so well
I take delight from these interactions as points sent by both parties get across real quickly xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I just bullshit most of these actaully

[split night]

eh it's fair

[flint oar]

Playing the tutorial lowkey made me think that Aledar is rex brother

[split night]

same I tearing up a little because I keep feeling like i just kill someone big brother who happened to be my best friend

I actually REALLY love that they give us Tasim and Seaskipper Captain interaction, it make me wish that we also see Aledar interact with Seaskipper Captain

They are so goated together

[flint oar]

Aledar matched her description, stubborn and bla bla, maybe in the recover the past aledar was running away trying to go away from being drag into that machine area in fruma but get caught anyway?

[wise thorn]

"Takan: You think this is right? You think it's right that those DAMNED admirals get all the wealth and fame, when WE'RE the ones out fighting in the trenches?!"

Does this more or less confirm Admiral Aegis and Amerigo were not fighting Annie?

[hybrid gazelle]

I can asusre you

there other character that match the detail wayy better than Aledar

[split night]

I honestly don't even believe that the "cursed" thing in recover the past ended up being extremely relevant in fruma now like 9 years later

[hybrid gazelle]

and he just happen to like

[split night]

that some next level foreshadowing shit

[hybrid gazelle]

win by landside the moment you put the two of them near each other

[split night]

We love Aledar

[flint oar]

can you tell me which character in wynncraft that matched her description, Im lowkey larping wynncraft

[split night]

Put it in spoiler

I want to deduct this myself

[hybrid gazelle]

here I put spoiler tag on it

[flint oar]

I mean he was stubborn and they looked similar too, idk

[split night]

who could even be as stubborn as aledar??

[hybrid gazelle]

||Aledar is a ginger who also said to be member of the leaves before he got capture, his capture was him being on a mission||

[flint oar]

until its revealed in story ig

[hybrid gazelle]

||Caid literally been shown to be in a roughwork and causing trouble||

||and like just look at them 😭||

[split night]

Ominous black bar of spoiler

huh no?

[flint oar]

nvm

forget what i said

[split night]

I thought it was ||the purple hair woman whom i forgot the name of||

[hybrid gazelle]

Syndra

[split night]

yeah

xd

[flint oar]

isn't her hair light purple like close to lilac

[split night]

I think I really need to work on my memory better
I have a really bad memory some times

[hybrid gazelle]

||Also this what you said was wrong cause according to Kaios, Syndra was there when Aledar was captured and Zhiraok being angry about it, imply that he pretty recent||

||Kaios pretty much tell you everything that oyu need to know about Aledar during his time in Fruma lol||

[split night]

|| can you even like, convert the fruman's year calender to outside year calender?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||and that info do not line up with Rex's brother comparing to Caid||

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

someone alrady did that

[split night]

||huh, how recent?||

[hybrid gazelle]

but it got spoiler shit tho so

[split night]

oh

Then I have to keep playing

[hybrid gazelle]

so finish the game first and I can show it to you

[split night]

yeah because like, knowing when Aledar die in Fruma basically tell us when we got sent to wynn

I gotta play the whole thing first

[flint oar]

doing the tutorial is almost impossible with this much amount of lag

i need to press shift 10 times

[wise thorn]

Nope you've convinced me

[copper breach]

Was tasim fighting in fruma before being brainwashed and sent into wynn?

[tawdry mural]

no he was just existing in espren

[copper breach]

Like in that teaser

[tawdry mural]

thats just a potential choice for tasim, go fight the queen or go serve the queen

[hybrid gazelle]

I would recommend to spoil these things because like

saying that certain events happen or not still count as spoiler

but yeah this channel allow for spoiler anyway but i still want to that to be kept in mind

[potent isle]

So im reading the queen recruit quest, we can lose the tasim fight and the story progresses?

[peak stratus]

Is it that we are not meant to be able to go around the entirety of fruma as soon as we unlock it and that in game its bugged / areas were missed?

[hybrid gazelle]

you need to play throguh the storyline

[peak stratus]

in game you can go over the dam to fort tericen around to aldwell, timasca ect. even to the industrial district. However you still cannot go over the wall so you have to go around every time. Even espren was open before the quest

so we were meant to have to follow the questline, and this method isnt intended?

[flint oar]

do yall know whats the name for the mysterious sovereign

[shut hornet]

Bill Clinton

[young sequoia]

didnt know they updated it

[signal bough]

here to shitpost and discuss wynncraft lore.

I do actually respect Lari's pacifism, it is impressive to see someone stick with a belief for a thousand years

[uneven basin]

Queen's recruit : || Bit of a shame queen's recruit npc's don't have new dialogue after the quest (like for example Reynault still has post recover the past dialogue) ||

[frigid sandal]

i really like the missing piece quest

[blissful moon]

0 story relevant fights won
0 important citiees corrupted
7 random soldiers aurafarmed on

[slender copper]

The fact that the only time Bak'al actually... accomplished anything drastic... was in the A Hunter's Calling which is of a made-up "what if" scenario, and the player did most of the work 💀.

[paper wyvern]

hey vip town was important

[paper bear]

Why is it so damn sad 😭

[frigid sandal]

Especially knowing ||what happens to syndra as well||

Honestly might be my favourite quest in terms of story (even though it's a side quest)

[paper bear]

Its so emotionally charged 🙁

Gotta go find out what happens next

[frigid sandal]

gl

[cold cove]

I did that, all I really did was buy scrolls and get the voxy lods

Also a few highland caves and a highlands SD but I couldn't do much with them

But yeah going over the dam is not intended

[fathom burrow]

This is so cool

https://giphy.com/gifs/adidas-hollow-knight-hornet-Bd8ZuJDjRR2AVxjZyp

[dawn otter]

If we had the option to attack the Caravan Driver and incapacitate him, how do you think our time in Fruma would go

[uneven basin]

I don't think much would change, we'd still get into fruma the only way we know off which is by train and then get jumped by the fort's army and then the plot would happen

[slender copper]

||The player would probably find a way to get the train going and the arrest would happen.||

[signal bough]

why did the caravan driver get us to Torann?

apparently it was not standard protocol

[tribal crystal]

Um just found this which is at the ||connection between ragni and highlands||

Anyone know what the unreadable text option actully says it seems to be ancient frumian

[brave rune]

It’s the same thing in the other language

It’s a decree starting with renaming a city to ragni right?

In the English

[exotic bough]

Yeah and also how the Wynn colonies are to be governed

[tribal crystal]

ah so The Rosetta Stone

[serene gate]

WTF WAS THAT ENDING??? ||I thought we were going to reunite her or something, not bury her!!!||

[rustic nexus]

:)

[split night]

SPOILER

FUCK

[rustic nexus]

it's not really

it was posted in a wynn tweet before beta

without the dialogue but that's like. also not that big of a deal

hell, they decided it's not a spoiler enough for the

[split night]

I already voided such information out of my mind so I don't know what you're talking about

[fathom burrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/adidas-hollow-knight-hornet-Bd8ZuJDjRR2AVxjZyp

[rustic nexus]

pro tip

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bird-bird-cat-pointer-finger-point-finger-cat-bird-point-finger-cat-gif-2676038606799380578

[rustic nexus]

just

don't go on the discord

until you've finished fruma

[split night]

I want to talk about stuff I have finished 🥺

[signal bough]

how did you get through the bread factory?

[serene gate]

wdym

was pretty easy

[tribal crystal]

do we think this is the former hideout of the mistwood resistance?

or is it just a cut cave or something

[brave knot]

is there a fruma ult discovery?

[exotic bough]

not yet

theyll be in future patches

[fringe star]

doing rise of the quartron and lari acting like she doesn't know me even after nol

[primal mauve]

quartron happens before rol

[fringe star]

yeah i assumed, just funny

[real ocean]

has anyone got some more lore regarding the stone tablet thing in fruma that overlooks ragni? (besides what can be read already)

really wish there wasnt barriers stopping you from going to ragni from there tho would be an elite shortcut

[exotic bough]

This is entirely headcanon but there is a small ruin south of the roots of corruption that has a statue of a stone man standing triumphantly over a black(?) skeleton

Seemingly tied to the ||ancient human-olm war where sikshahrath was captured as mentioned in Rosetta 2||

[pseudo pawn]

This is just like when ||The player is drafted into the Nether pvp server to endlessly fight off annie for an eternity before being saved by a space military faction and getting back their super shotgun||

[chrome star]

Hey guys

I normally skip a lot of dialogue

But just by glancing a lil bit at what characters say immediately tell me so much and even hooks me sometimes

Not to mention some of the endings to quests are genuine surprises

[magic egret]

in wynncraft, how do they get the rucruits wo are then sent to ragni from fruma??

[copper breach]

How long does the ragni soldier's journey last from level 1 to 100?

A year?

[signal bough]

Well it’s about a month from lvl 100 to lvl 105

[shut hornet]

crazy idea maybe you would be even more hooked if you paid attention to the dialogue in general

[vital dagger]

the main story is a story? good to hear

[late girder]

||in the missing piece, elise dies right? it would be interesting to think about what syndra would have thought about elise being dead had she beaten the queen and was going to meet up with elise again. u can technically picture them being together rn tho since they both died||

[hybrid gazelle]

Do recover the past

[hybrid gazelle]

||from what I see the readable text and otjer language are pretty much one and the same according to people who translate it||

||it give us a lot of information to fruma before the queen take the throne and even Wynn itself with the info in Rosetta Stone revealing that the colonies existing in Wynn are splitter colony as fruma attempt to expand out into Wynn province||

[hybrid gazelle]

For now
A year

This will change in the future

[dim plover]

Wdym

[hybrid gazelle]

They asking how they get recruits sent to Ragni from fruma

[solar ingot]

My theory is that wynn recruits from fruma are unfortunate roughworks soldiers, very dangerous criminals or people who did really bad stuff (to the crown, obviously)

[slim belfry]

yeah recover the past also already goes over this

might not even be a theory and straight up what it is

[solar ingot]

My reason to think this is (major The Strong Survive spoiler warning) ||the moment when your recruiter gets punished for letting you enter the army and gets send to ragni in the same situation as you and other recruits (total memory loss about fruma)||

[slim belfry]

gosh yeah

[solar ingot]

Bro ||can't even remember you||

[slim belfry]

I didn't like him anyway though

[solar ingot]

Yea, that would be a good theory about player's origin tho

[gusty galleon]

Burning Bonds ||was Abromod always a skinwalker or does he get replaced when we get back||

[hybrid gazelle]

||he always a changeling

also just call them changeling they got a name||

[hybrid gazelle]

||fruma recruits can come from various of backgrounds as we see from Aledar, Tasim, and other people||

[solar ingot]

What trashie said. ||Why do you think no one wants to talk with you in Aldwell without a medallion?||

[zenith tulip]

This chat is actually ||so censored dear god, it's like reading through scp foundation||

[modern thicket]

what the hell is this (post wtp)

[hybrid gazelle]

not openable yet

[potent isle]

az nii ek uth tol

[wise thorn]

That's an az and tol

Try adding ek nii and uth

[modern thicket]

it cycles

[reef folio]

has anyone done The Royal University's Library ?

[solar ingot]

Probably something important for ||wastelands questline||

[twin geode]

Lvl 1 meets lvl 100 Tasim

[neat oriole]

what is 120 a in terms of current timeline

[hybrid gazelle]

either 1000 or 1001 AP

[neat oriole]

mmmm ic ic

why does the character use a tho

is it a fruma thing

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean?

you mean our character using AP?

Fruma have their own calender that well

only use in Fruma

while the rest of the world( as it seems) using BP and AP

[neat oriole]

hmmmm seems about right

i mean if you think about it

fruma never experienced the portals of doom

[hybrid gazelle]

neither is Gavel

[neat oriole]

whilst everywhere else did

oh

true

[hybrid gazelle]

Light portal is not known to everyone in gavel

[neat oriole]

hmm v true

[hybrid gazelle]

and Fruma calaneder is a lot more detail

[untold warren]

The fruma queen wears stilts.

[brave rune]

Help us out guys

[untold warren]

I'll try

[elder forge]

Knows a recipe to a bomb that could push back the corruptions spikes and keep them only at the portal.
proceeds to not tell the detlas military.

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[next pike]

I asked this in #❓questions completely missing this chatroom

How old are the Leaves in the Wind members? (Numerical references)

[restive yacht]

Syndria is Old!

Mora too

[spring kernel]

i don't think we know

syndra is probably like 50

[restive yacht]

Lore accurate

[hybrid gazelle]

according to the CT, all of them are definitely above young adult
Syndra is old women ofc

I think Mora is ike ten years yougner than Syndra?

[dense python]

do we know the reason why ||the queen just kicked us out right before our match with tasim, like we're told that we don't look special unlike him and we know that tasim got a direct offer from her before we had the friendly spar, but im wondering if i missed something||

[hybrid gazelle]

||because we are unpredictable as Two mention||

[dim plover]

Because we didn’t need the match anymore?

[hybrid gazelle]

||Two mention before that we do not fit citeria||

[dim plover]

Oh wait I misunderstood the question I think

[dense python]

that does make sense tbf

she wants a tool not a chaos factor

[hybrid gazelle]

||remember in ensemble of hope, when the queen mention trait of the choosen from the tournament||

||The LOYALTY is in italic||

||emphasis on its importance||

||also compare to Tasim, we have less ideal canditate because Tasim is more likely to follow through the mission as he got nothing else left in life||

[dense python]

||oh shit yeah i didnt remember that two would know about that and the whole SE expedition||

[hybrid gazelle]

||they did not know until Overture but I just saying how Tasim is more contender of choosen one compare to us lol||

[dense python]

oh okay everything i just asked about is said explicitly in ||two's appearance before you get kicked out|| i guess it's been too long since i read the lore in beta lmao

[restive yacht]

Ok so there's a point of contention here

Theorically SPEAKING, facts should play out 2 different ways

Consider that Queen || is War, War itself praises strategy and power ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||that not what she emobdy tho||

||she is not manifestation of literal War as in concept of war or the act of war||

[restive yacht]

|| well atleast she tries to be ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||no she did not||

[untold warren]

Okay lore speaking, does the Queen actually wear stilts?

[restive yacht]

|| u can really tell by the bossfights ||

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[untold warren]

Thats unfortunate

[hybrid gazelle]

||Her bossfight is not meant to be that too||

[untold warren]

Aight I'm pushing my agenda

[restive yacht]

So u mean ||nuke bomb is just something she likes? ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||We dont know the extend of what cause thing to manifest that way||

||but the definitely some inspiration drawn from war but in the end War is a manifestation of the hate between the two beasts||

||but it do not repreresent the concept of war||

||War is many thing, conflict, hate, and all kind of negative things that the twin had for each other||

[restive yacht]

|| i really do feel like she constantly makes decisions as a war General ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||you mean during her time as a queen cause like||

||If that then yeah sure||

[restive yacht]

|| yea, she does not simply act as a dictator, it's deeper than that ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||how tho||

||I still like dont really understand how she act like war general when the whole point of Fruma is to stay away from conflict with offensive action being recent development in the game story||

[restive yacht]

|| she's not a devil either, she just prioritizes on winning a fight against her enemies rather than building, i felt like everything she does is to ultimately beat someone on something ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||How||

||the entire apotheosis disprove that when she drop everything for Fruma, even Tasim comment on it||

||her true enemies are Light and Dark yet she choose to attend Fruma instead of continue her plan to send Tasim to Dern||

[restive yacht]

|| She also didn't back down from executions and mind wipes during that period, it also allowed fruma to become stronger for future conflicts, she really is proud of the DEVELOPMENTs fruma made in 20 years on that aspect, no? ||

[hybrid gazelle]

spoiler tag

[restive yacht]

I'm bad at spoiler tagging

[restive yacht]

|| i didn't feel like that was genuine talk, idk ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||what talk||

||he say that to us||

[hybrid gazelle]

||I mean yeah I kinad expect that from a tyrant who see the empire as extension of herself||

||but nto really see it as war general||

[restive yacht]

Fair enough ig, that was just meem being too focused on ||Two explainations ||

[untold warren]

CT confirmed, Fruma Queen is short

[slender copper]

||Damn... we really did just... kill a Soverign in broad daylight with several soldiers watching Syndria get the finishing kill... what is the Player's life 😭||

[steep forum]

doctored image

[lyric remnant]

if i had more drawing skill id do a traceover of this but its ||theorick and sui||

||the narrator going "a powerful ice mage equal to theorick twain... was fully realized." in butterfly effect is gonna hit like crack||

[warm adder]

are these the files

epstein files

[cloud phoenix]

release the zight files?

[lyric remnant]

kids these days and their epstein files… back in my day we saw a bunch of redactions and made scp foundation references

[restive yacht]

Epstein files are real

Oh wait... I get it now

[hybrid gazelle]

it's real but it should not be trivialize into just internet buzzword

[dense python]

one of the hallmarks of fruma's authoritarian regime

censorship

[brave rune]

release the legendary files

[whole river]

Love looking at the spoiler image and it’s just maki aura farming

[tough axle]

The players morality appears to be based upon the idea that passive resistance or passive change is fundamentally not the proper way to fight evil. This is seen in realm of light AND in fruma, which is super interesting to see. I do agree that there is a sense of detachment from you vs your character, though I don’t think that was always the case when the player couldn’t talk. I’m not sure my analysis is very correct though, and would love more insight

[hybrid gazelle]

player being detatch from their own character and player character being up to intereptation something that can both exist along side each other

[lyric remnant]

sui aura farming when

[indigo wyvern]

Lol

[edgy loom]

what the fuck????? you can actually go eat with sui LOL

[verbal crow]

is dead island part of se lore

like is it important

[spring kernel]

no

dead island could be removed and i think it would take about a month for anyone to notice

[exotic bough]

dead island is an ancient relic

[brave rune]

seems compatible though

siwel bought an egg from the silent expanse

[exotic bough]

how did he get into the silent expanse then

[brave rune]

someone else did

maybe an agent of dern

[exotic bough]

why would that agent of dern want to help some random villager in the ocean then

[brave rune]

well clearly it didn't help

it spread the influence of dern

[unique jungle]

they should do that as a prank for april fools 2027

[untold warren]

Bet

[austere umbra]

What happened to ||Zhiraok|| after the fight? I thought he died since ||Syndra|| literally stabbed him. Why is he alive in the next region?

[spring kernel]

he has a charm that lets him revive himself

[formal bridge]

he has time powers and a special charm

[tough axle]

Pardon my lack of knowledge hit throughout fruma are we given any idea as to the players true backstory or no

[formal bridge]

No

[austere umbra]

Then why did ||Syndra|| even stab him?

Did she know that as well?

[formal bridge]

Yes

[slender copper]

||She did say he was going to be revived soon.||

[austere umbra]

Ahh okay

Guess I missed that

thanks yall

[vestal rivet]

She said it multiple times no?

[heady ridge]

Feeling lowkey stupid but in Off the Rails how did || Cemor sneak the blade onto the train and into the staff room? || 😭
edit: nvm I understand now, I'm dumber than I thought 💀

Syndra did say he wouldn't stay dead for long, yeah

[lyric remnant]

grimtrap lore got updated:

||Found at the site of the Caritat Mansion, a curse falls upon on all who don this glove; a decay of the body, to fester in their wounds, and a decay of the mind, to muddle all thought. With it, a notion takes hold: to suffer together is to suffer no more.||

old lore:

Found at the site of the Caritat Mansion, this simple-looking glove is bathed in dark presence. It wracks those who wear it with pain, and instills the belief that the only way to end the pain is not to remove the item, but to inflict that same torment upon all others.

[regal spire]

Cool to think of this “dagger” just working like that one cutscene of Mr. Caritat ripping out his wife’s heart

Backstab is just a cool “rip into the enemy’s skin” move now

[cinder cedar]

You know, carita actually means love in latin

more akin to "my dearest" or "my love"

but it's also is derived from the word or name "caritas" which means chairty

[round wraith]

@drifting aurora did you write this dialogue with Kaio outside the Leaves auburn forest base?

In front of the ||Aledar grave||

[drifting aurora]

yeap

[round wraith]

thank you

its lovely

the foreshadowing about this ||"all ending in tragedy"|| and then the bit about ||aledar. really nice to see some ppl who remember him in fruma :,) ||

i didnt notice it during beta, if it was there, so its also just a nice bonus to get to talk to Kaio more

[sonic tundra]

||did gikyo really died? like dont sourveign have the power to revive and is immortal and stuff||

[slim belfry]

sovereign blessings are ||unique to each one||

[sonic tundra]

so ||he just appears and dies in the span of 1 quest?||

[slim belfry]

yes

[sonic tundra]

bruh ok

[spring kernel]

sovereigns can live forever due to something unrelated but the revival thing is only zhiraok with his charm

gikyo is dead

[split night]

I think their morality match that of a normal human, which I'm kinda surprise considering the amount of thing they killed

and also uh, that weird mirror thing within the obelisk in SE
I think when talk to the soul, we are talking directly to our Character. The way they say that our action shape them make me felt like they are aware of us or at least knowing something far beyond them controlling them yet make them feel like they act on their own

It's hard to explan but imagine that you not being aware that your action which you think you perform but it is actually a higher being doing things for you

It's kinda how I interpret that quest really

[restive yacht]

something unrelated u say

mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i have thoughts in my head now

what is this 'something'? is it canon yet

[spring kernel]

yeah it's ingame

you can find it

not particularly hidden

[gleaming apex]

Quick question, do banks actually have ender chests canonically? It has to be no right?

[paper wyvern]

banks are 90% gameplay features

[gleaming apex]

That's what I thought

[paper wyvern]

we dont actually have that much info but its reasonable to assume wynn gavel and corkus have a crossworld banking system and that emerald merchants are cannon

[gleaming apex]

It's too bad we can't canonically use our fat stacks of LE

[restive yacht]

ic ic , ty !|

[restive yacht]

i think while it doesn't have a lore reason, it's been carried for over a decade now, it's embued in the city banks designs

it's part of what wynncraft is

[gleaming apex]

Imagine if the ender chests were canon lol. Player gives everyone in Fruma legendary weapons and armor

[restive yacht]

i do not have enough knowledge to tell you if there's lore on them added on later, i can safely tell you whatever lore was made if any was after they put them there

[empty trench]

Guys i just ended elise quest, im straight up crying

lol

[restive yacht]

was this before or after echoes of change

[paper wyvern]

ender chests are presumably an abstraction of some delivery system

[empty trench]

idk its like a new one

level 110

[restive yacht]

oh boy || u're gonna cry a bit more ig ||

[empty trench]

damn

[gleaming apex]

Imagine if we could use our wealth canonically, just bribe all the corrupt people in Fruma with some fat stacks

[empty trench]

echoes of change is my next quest

[restive yacht]

disney films make me cry less

[empty trench]

just checked

lol

i need a cigarette before this one then

[restive yacht]

yes, make sure || to go back to the tree once in a while || idk if u noticed but || music changes when u go there||

[empty trench]

yo

thats true

i got chills like a child ahahahah

[stray lodge]

when u try accessing the fruma gate again on "A Journey Home":

[empty trench]

i didnt expect that, i was just delivering some packages, fruma content is crazy till now

[restive yacht]

imo peakest quest

other ones are better in gameplay mechanics

[empty trench]

ok im gonna smoke into echoes of change

[buoyant depot]

were there demonyms mentioned for the various fruma regions/towns' residents?

[hybrid gazelle]

Demons?

[buoyant depot]

like someone who lives in troms is a tromsian

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh that

[buoyant depot]

or an unlucky dude who resides in paris would be a parisian

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk I don’t think I seen any

[buoyant depot]

same here

[signal bough]

Auburner, Esprenian
Roughworker, Timascan
(my own creations)

[somber venture]

WHERE IS THE TASIM HATE THREAD

I NEED IT NOWWW

[restive yacht]

he lets us down, but ||spoilers ahead ||

[empty trench]

guys i need help

i feel like in the 3rd bomb puzzle in echoes of change im missing pieces

[pliant egret]

click on the far left end of the shelf for that last pieces. for some reason they just don't render in.

[empty trench]

ye i figured

ty

[sleek vault]

who was the spy in the rebel organization again

[winged narwhal]

How does Wynn province’s government even work

Is the King of Ragni the King of Wynn?

Theres a King of Troms as well

[pliant egret]

no each city has its own sort of governance all with alliances directly toward the corruption

[winged narwhal]

But Fruma thinks of Wynn as one entity

[pliant egret]

ragni just gets all the recruits from fruma

in a way it kinda is. theoretically ragni and troms would hold the most power (maybe aside from detlas). its sort of like medieval times where cities would have their own small kingdoms, many of which were overseen by kingdoms of higher authority

I could also just be talking complete BS right now or im right and we could even see a potential retcon coming 🤷

[signal bough]

There is a unified military command in Detlas, Nemract, Nivla, and Almuj

Rymek, Ragni, Troms, and Nesaak are independent of this agreement

[winged narwhal]

It seems like Ragni and Detlas are at least loosely allied

[signal bough]

With there being smaller polities and groups

[signal bough]

What dialogue or quest makes you say that?

[elfin comet]

If corkus city had a military dictator they could turn themselves into the wynncraft version of imperial japan and potentially take chunks of gavel think about it

naval siege on llevigar

im waiting for to happen

[pliant egret]

if anything ragni and detlas are the most tightly allied

[winged narwhal]

Ragni recruit goes to Detlas to do shit

[whole hollow]

Let em cook

[elfin comet]

Look

If there was a naval siege on llevigar

so that corkians had control over the southwestern front of gavel

and one of their richest cities

theyre set

[whole hollow]

Let’s just hope they dont follow imperial japans track record of war crimes

[elfin comet]

gavel’s busy with the decay

corkus can actually control their robot problem

And think abt it

if corkus is an island

a military dictator would push for a strong navy during militarization

[winged narwhal]

Corkus does not have a great record with indigenous populations

[elfin comet]

corkus is also already a very industralized nation

[elfin comet]

theyre gonna purge the other races in gavel

think abt it

[whole hollow]

[elfin comet]

wynncraft holocaust

[whole hollow]

My goat maxie

Will not let that happen

[elfin comet]

they electromagically gas the elves and other populations of gavel

[whole hollow]

I think u should chill the analogies are going a lil far

[elfin comet]

It’s gonna happen

fruma and corkus are superpowers

[pliant egret]

issue with that is corkus kinda has the whole "their own machines are killing 'em" issue still even with the player's intervention

[elfin comet]

I wanna see a world war

[winged narwhal]

The more interesting angle would probably be an imperialist Avos nation

[elfin comet]

I wanna see some imperialism

[whole hollow]

I won’t let it happen

They have a level 111 acrobat in the way

[elfin comet]

thing is corkus is more likely

the fruman’s dont give a fuck

[whole hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-gif-24075601

[elfin comet]

they have their isolationist perfect nation

[pliant egret]

lol

[elfin comet]

theyre probably also very racist towards not humans

[whole hollow]

Not if I’m alive

[elfin comet]

but thats what the constable is for

Look

fruma already has an army

its just all defense

theyre very industralized too i mean fuck look at that entire district

fruma could invade so many areas but i doubt they have a real naval force

[winged narwhal]

I think Almuj is a bank with a state

[elfin comet]

theyre mostly locked unless they invaded ragni or smth

but that wouldnt make sense

or marched through ragni

[elfin comet]

regardless fuck the elves

genuinely

fuck lari

frieren but annoying asf

[whole hollow]

Yeah

I agree with that

[elfin comet]

Bomb aldorei

genuinely

[whole hollow]

Ok wait

[elfin comet]

just wipe that city off the map

elf ideologies are egotistical asf too

[whole hollow]

I don’t think military dictatorship ideals are any better

Just put me in charge I got this

[formal bridge]

I think fruma actively hurts a lot more people than the aldorei elves just being a bit stuck up ever did

[signal bough]

They do but I know they’re constantly referred to as a Ragni soldier until they leave Wynn

So there’s a distinction

[winged narwhal]

Aldorei does not actually harm people

[whole hollow]

Aldorei literally started everything no

Like all the corruption

And shit

[formal bridge]

That was one action of stupidity

[whole hollow]

Thats a lot of suffering

[formal bridge]

and everyone involved is already dead

[whole hollow]

Ngl

Open a portal to hell

Is sorta bad

[winged narwhal]

You can’t punish Aldorei for an accident a thousand years ago

[formal bridge]

Yeah they're just morons, and the culprits are already long gone

the queen is alive and present in fruma hurting people

[winged narwhal]

It’d be like trying to invade Italy for sacking Constantinople

[whole hollow]

Yeah we can

[whole hollow]

They turned into trees or something man

The corruption is like still here

Like no one’s mad at gengis khan now

But if his ghost was still murdering ppl we gon do some shit about it

[hybrid gazelle]

what

prometheus just die of old age

and also it literally just 2-3 indivudals responsible for incident

[cobalt spindle]

someone please explain all the lore about the Queen of Fruma I don't like MMORPGs but she's so pretty I love her

[formal bridge]

yeah what are you even talking about

[hybrid gazelle]

literally 2-3 people

[real badge]

yo i haven't been ragebaited as much as by these fruma npcs since Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[real badge]

hopefully i get to fight all of them soon

the queen especially

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay if you have no regard for spoiler her it is

||Her Majesty is the queen of Fruma who been ruling the empire for 800 years where she responsible for pretty much how Fruma turn out and the entire political system. In reality, she is actually a relam beast known as Anathema who is the Beast of War who have escape from her realm to find a place to call her own while trying to keep the world from destruction from those who responsible for her existence||

[cobalt spindle]

I love her even more now

[hybrid gazelle]

that very rough summary

[signal bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1490259061994688583/image.png?ex=69d561a8&is=69d41028&hm=08b74c8bf59fdd878da731f7ecd19135c184275f4ba8aa908039619a59c6c6e0&

[real badge]

wait so ||if shes good why do we fight her||

[hybrid gazelle]

I would recommend you to actually play the story

because it take away ll the nuance

[hybrid gazelle]

like I said that wy

you paly the story

becuase I taking away the nuance

[real badge]

ok

[signal bough]

WiP

[hybrid gazelle]

Also now you pretty much

ruin the story for yourself

because literally this info should not be given to you

[elfin comet]

We put all the blame on them

make them pay repartions to gavel for starting the decay and shi

Boom world war

elf hitler

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[elfin comet]

the elves caused all our problems

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[elfin comet]

why dont these nations go to war with each other

[hybrid gazelle]

why would they

[formal bridge]

Nations don't like going to war when they're busy trying to survive against various internal problems

[elfin comet]

land resources power

[formal bridge]

when the entire world is covered in monsters and corrupted and decay and all kinds of issues

[elfin comet]

arent they all racist to each other

[formal bridge]

they don't care as much about expansion lmao

[elfin comet]

like come on

[hybrid gazelle]

Villagers already at war with orc

elves are too little number to start a war themselves

[elfin comet]

dude the orcs are like the jews

[hybrid gazelle]

Dwarves already won war over the dogun and have no reason to war with villager

ok

[elfin comet]

most hated group in history

they have hardly anything

[hybrid gazelle]

literally villagers expanding by warring against the orcs so like they already doiung that LOL

IDK what this people talking about

[elfin comet]

what do the orcs actually own bro

[formal bridge]

Tbf that just goes to my own point

[elfin comet]

what land

[formal bridge]

the orcs live on where the villagers already live

[elfin comet]

what cities

[formal bridge]

It's an internal dispute that they already conquered over them and now are struggling to hold the land

so ofc they wouldn't want to expand further and have to deal with even more nonsense and death

[cold flint]

Centerworld to be fair

[formal bridge]

Wynn is in an even worse state with zombies all over the place, at least gavel has the decay restricted to the north

[hybrid gazelle]

and also from what it seems

according to discovery

it was villagers who start war with orcs to expand originally

this also evidence by what Arrai said

[elfin comet]

wynn is going down first in a world war

theyre invaded and conquered first

no power

nothin

[hybrid gazelle]

why

why would anyone conrquer wynn

what

[elfin comet]

its just convenient how the biggest superpower arguably is so isolationist

[formal bridge]

yeah it's a great idea to invade the land covered in zombies

[elfin comet]

fruma is easily in the best state of all the nations

[elfin comet]

wow zombies

oh no

corruptions much worse

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah whihc

is what corruption cause

corruption make zombies

for wynn at least

[formal bridge]

Like we see what happens when a village lives next to a corruption spike

[elfin comet]

this world is js too convenient tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[formal bridge]

those are everywhere in wynn

I feel I've made my point well

[elfin comet]

in general its just not realistic

tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

why

[elfin comet]

mostly in terms of technological progression

[hybrid gazelle]

it's fantasy world

this is not new thing

[elfin comet]

its so concentrated

[hybrid gazelle]

what

yeah that

warhammer does this

[elfin comet]

youd expect SOME diffusion from corkus or fruma

[slim belfry]

what's the context of this convo 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Runerterra does this

dude I have no fucking idea

it like the guy trying to sounsd smart but i am not sure

[elfin comet]

youd expect corkus or fruma to have some of their technology taken

[hybrid gazelle]

I think he is smart?

I think???

IDK dont really get it

[slim belfry]

yes this has happened at least for corkus

[elfin comet]

but the big areas with land and resources are so much further behind the others

[slim belfry]

corkus tech has been exported or used in other provinces

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

we see that

in game

[elfin comet]

why isnt it more widespread

[ruby plover]

itd be quite hard to use fruma tech elsewhere considering... well, fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

because imported tech is expensive as shit

[ruby plover]

it being an isolated nation and all

[elfin comet]

Theres a staff member i cant talk about WW2 atrocities anymore

[elfin comet]

Ofc

but corkus

their tech should be literally everywhere if its being spread

and it just doesnt seem like it is

[hybrid gazelle]

becasue it is not

[ruby plover]

there is corkus tech in each nation

[elfin comet]

How long has it been since corkian tech has really been developed and spread

[elfin comet]

Right, but its still reasonably uncommon

[hybrid gazelle]

ocean been open in for 100 years

ragni ltierally have corkian water sprinkler

there is corkian cookie dispenser

[elfin comet]

I supposed 100 years may not be long enough for it to spread throughout everywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

some olux house using corkian water drainage system I think

dwarves use corkian drill

seaskipper captain use corkian tech for his sail ship

there is house with corkian arthitecture in Nemract

[elfin comet]

is it everywhere tho

like common in everyones lives

[slim belfry]

the machine meant to deal with the colossus but broke lol

[elfin comet]

not just specific uses here and there

[hybrid gazelle]

that too colossus stuff too

[elfin comet]

i wish this server was more realistic smh.

[hybrid gazelle]

your average person in wynn would not be able to afford high tech imported tech

[elfin comet]

okay so its still somewhat of a novelty or is there affordable tech in any way?

what makes the corkian tech less affordable

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean there camera

[elfin comet]

is ot just not produced enough

[elfin comet]

The technology is just so weird and skips so many steps

[hybrid gazelle]

because it high tech and

it's imported???

[elfin comet]

How hard is it to manufacture all that tech

[hybrid gazelle]

The only factory we see in Corkus gone unuse

[elfin comet]

what materials does it require

[hybrid gazelle]

so it likely mass production is not even a thing

[elfin comet]

YEAH THATS SO FUCKING BACKWARDS

[hybrid gazelle]

so we assume many thing in corkus are handcrafted

[elfin comet]

HOW ARE YOU GONNA HAVE RELATIVELY MODERN TECH AND HAVE NO OPERATIONAL FACTORIES LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

because

[elfin comet]

MAKES 0 SENSE

[hybrid gazelle]

their last operative factory

got sentient and gone rogue

[slim belfry]

it's a really big factory

[elfin comet]

YOU DONT HANDCRAFT COMPLEX ELECTRONICS

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

also

wait Gardlunik

[slim belfry]

about that

[elfin comet]

its magic whatever

but this just

its so fucking odd

how did we go from basic things like sprinklers to cameras

whats the progression heee

here

[hybrid gazelle]

kate

this stuff is like

[slim belfry]

????

[hybrid gazelle]

written 7+ years ago

[ruby plover]

we are also not trying to create a historically accurate industrial revolution including all the crucial steps along the way

[elfin comet]

like security cameras more modern cameras or less modern

btw

[elfin comet]

this world makes no sense pls fix

[slim belfry]

because they're probably easier to get to inventing? idk

[ruby plover]

ok so we rage baiting. got it