📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

I got too mcuh bob in my mind

[uneven basin]

If admiral aegis put up some resistance I think that'd make bak'al seem more strong cause at least he'd win one actual fight 😭

[shut hornet]

well tbf in the what if scenario he does have his canon power levels

[vital dagger]

admiral aegis could also be insta killed by the mage in the sky islands tower the same way

[hybrid gazelle]

but also admiral aegis is still just a normal man

[whole river]

Let’s not talk about how Bakal in the AHC quest dodged a fade with THEORICK

Let alone BOB

[hybrid gazelle]

so Bak'al STILL be fighting people below his power level

AMAZING

[split night]

I thought Admiral Aegis probably work better as a commander than just plain fighting
sure he would win a 1v1 on even ground but like, Bak'al vs Admiral seems unfair for him xd

[hybrid gazelle]

at best we can asuse admiral aegis being admiral because he is a good leader a

[shut hornet]

the ahc dialogue implies he could probably kill aledar and tasim without much difficulty but is kind of toying with his prey by having them fight his weaker peon

[hybrid gazelle]

he does not need to be the strongest

[shut hornet]

except you win anyway so you dont see that

[hybrid gazelle]

ONLY "If" and "when" and NEVER "is"

[split night]

He say that with bob

and then ran

[full harness]

If we want to do cringey powerscaling, bakal seems to be on par with current day Lari’s tier, whether that means she is slightly stronger or he is, I’m not sure. But years ago he was no diffed by a younger bob. Considering how bakal is hundreds of years old though, he probably hasn’t gotten that much stronger since his fight with bob

[vital dagger]

bakals character has a lot of….. potential

[whole river]

Gonna make up some lore about Aegis being the strongest hero ever and say it’s in a level 90 sky islands quest since no one does those

[hybrid gazelle]

you never know if Bak'al bench press in Dern or not

IDK man

[full harness]

So close to lari and way weaker than bob is where bakal seems to be at

[hybrid gazelle]

I think he need to be

[gleaming apex]

Bob is like at or near the level of Dern Beast if I had to guess

[hybrid gazelle]

Amidral Aegis couldd just be a good leader who lead his men well

[whole river]

Alright Bob is strong but he’s not touching Dern Beast I fear

[hybrid gazelle]

and doing al ot of paper work

[split night]

Is bob just on the same bar as Orphion now? 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Admiral Aegis probably do more paper work than actual warring I am afraid

[gleaming apex]

I mean he was implied to be going to Dern to fight the beast right?

[hybrid gazelle]

like those paper report need to go somewhere

[split night]

He's a good leader

[full harness]

Unnamed Wynn Farmer #69 was packing heat and still lost 😭 , he was the strongest soldier the province had under Bob

[whole river]

I think dern beast just snatches Bob’s weave which he is seemingly doing already since there’s been no negative change in the realm of darkness yet

[gleaming apex]

Like I don't think he's winning, but I think he might be close

[split night]

Wynniverse is cooked if bob got corrupted

[uneven basin]

There's that one quest that talks about how pencil pushers receive more praise than the ones who actually die on the front lines so it tracks?

[hybrid gazelle]

this man probably need to do logistic shit all day trying to figure out how many men he lose and how many resource spend 😭

[vital dagger]

admiral aegis + commander takan + general eveni on front lines + army of wynn fodder + artillery took down annihilation

[whole river]

Guys Aegis is strong he defeated Siegfried in a duel…

[hybrid gazelle]

GENERAL EVENI IS FUCKING DEAD 😭

I think

[hybrid gazelle]

A guy who actually do battle vs an actor

[split night]

Yeah he's more director than fighter, that line with the dealing with human feel real

[hybrid gazelle]

this quest is talk about admial Amerigo so it doess not count

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

Wynn province is at its best when it's just normal man trying to survive

trying to hold the line to defend their home from ltieral hellitself

[uneven basin]

True but it might be making a statement about the whole army even if Amerigo is especially corrupted

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that more compelling and inspiring that way

and it not the

"HUMAN THE BEST AND EVERYONE ELSE SUCK!!!!!" too

call me corny but that what I like about wynn

[split night]

It's like the guy that teaches us elemental power
it seems like he can fight but he's also more brain work and train soldier than the fighting type

[hybrid gazelle]

also wynn probably the wokest millitary faction in fictional media

[whole river]

Wynn is (well unfortunate) lucky enough to basically have free training to build up the best army thanks to the corruption wars

[hybrid gazelle]

when your enviroment does the automatic natural selection for you that tend to happen 😭

[split night]

So far i haven't seen any human in wynn show racism to villager
only the villager showing racism to like, every sentience species in the game

[whole river]

Meanwhile in Gavel every major threat is basically neutralized so they’re just mercenary hiring lazy traders.

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynn remind me a lot of empire of man from warhammer fantasy

I wish they bend twoard that more

I THINK WYNN WOULD BE SO COOL

if they lead into medival doom

you got devils and stuff man

and even undead

go full Doom

[whole river]

I need the berserk ToC arc vibes

[full harness]

I have no idea, I can’t really powerscale wynn in the sense of assigning any numerical value unless you want to do levelscaling which just isn’t fair, especially if an enemy was added a long time ago.

What you can do though is say hey Bob fought Bakal and Bakal got no diffed, forcing Bakal to retreat. Lari fought Bakal to seemingly a standstill before he tried to retreat meaning Bakal is probably in the same tier as Lari but didn’t see it as worth the risk fighting someone on similar levels to him, or she was slightly stronger.

So Bob>Bakal=<Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

I go soooo many draft of how wynn army would be like in term of world building

another idea I came up with is that they have special golems made for them called War Golem

which is a giant golems that used like a tank

[split night]

I think if bob can take down Annie singlehandedly, he might as well just beat Overtaken Orphion and Orphion at full power himself

actually nvm

Orphion at full power would obliterate Bob

[gleaming apex]

I mean Bob went to go fight Dern Beast, so I would think he's at least kinda close in power

[grizzled frost]

this gives me vibes of the men of iron from the Dark Age of Technology in 40k

nice

[uneven basin]

That'd be a great way to bring Wynn up to the level of technology in the rest of the world

Well somewhat

[hybrid gazelle]

The golem in wartorn project are utilize more like tank in warfare

standard pattern only used for heavy duty or guarding in specific location

[grizzled frost]

also correct me if im wrong but grian was the one who wrote the original Wynn lore right?

[hybrid gazelle]

but war golem lireally use for

well war

IDK

probabl

[gleaming apex]

They find wherever those defenders of the plains come from

[hybrid gazelle]

nah they still on par like they did with canon

[grizzled frost]

and then corkus invented drones

[hybrid gazelle]

it just more expand

[split night]

how would this work really
since we know all of the golem in the game originated from that villager factory thing

[hybrid gazelle]

mechs are private in corkus only

[split night]

I'd imagine this one is just Corkus tech combine with something similar

[hybrid gazelle]

okay if you want to hear my yap

because I about to detail history I made for golem production

okay this is gonna be long one

[split night]

sure

[full harness]

Bob isn’t trying to kill dern beast though, just to seal him. But that also could just be because it might be literally impossible to kill a realm beast, or they could just reform over time once their essence is reconcentrated which could result in something like Baby Orphion pet being canon

Kind’ve like Naruto tailed beasts

[whole river]

Theorick thought the same too and look what happened

[split night]

I think Bob kinda already realise that killing off Dern Beast would result in catastrophe event, because the world would lost balance and all that so he just won't kill dern beast

I wonder if he ever knew about the 3 realms and how it work

[whole river]

I think both of them just overestimated how prepared they were

[split night]

I think the biggest difference between them is that Theorick is more arrogant, with a good heart of course

[gleaming apex]

1. Bob is obviously wayyy stronger than Theorick
2. Bob seems to actually know what's going on, since he knows about Dern Beast at all

[split night]

while Bob would know what he's dealing against

[full harness]

Theorick just trynna make an honest living for doing his job

[candid cliff]

Bob would beat anyone in the game rn

[full harness]

Nah, Amadel solos

[split night]

You know, know yourself and know the enemy, then 100 battle will result in 100 wins for you

[whole river]

If Bob was actually close to that level then there really wouldn’t be a war already

[full harness]

Before he gets the crystals

[whole river]

Likelier chances are he’s stalled or captured rn

[split night]

Yeah it's fair, like a body guard thing
it's just that he think he could end the corruption by himself without knowing what corruption really is

thus make him arrogant

[candid cliff]

to be fair he did "stop it" in the end

[split night]

He didn't stop it, he stall it for a region

[full harness]

Only the corruption localized to his own body though right

Bro basically has stds and made a magical condom for himself

[gleaming apex]

I mean I think it's obvious he either lost or died or is stalled sealing Dern Beast, but I would think he is at least somewhat close in strength

[candid cliff]

That's why "." lol

[uneven basin]

"honest"

[split night]

It's a little "misleading" is it?

[whole river]

That’s not based on anything though right

Like Bob is strong but he’s has no feats against orphion and Dern Beast, the presumable strongest beings in Wynn lore

[hybrid gazelle]

So at the start

the original pattern that you see is the first iteration of golems that offically made with Urelix got the funding from government to help out the decay problem and offer villager what essentially a heavy machinery similar to goliaths that lie asleep in Gylai plain. This pattern is very flexible but also poorly design due to its being one of the first.

Later Urelix would made improvement on the design with standard pattern that would phase out the original. This standard pattern is cost less to make due to less armoring but more focus on flexibility as heavy duty and enforcers.

However when Wynn province was discovered and trade agree was made, Urelix's company would figure a way in order to sell their golems to the recently founded province. However due to distance, trying to supplies resource to maintain golems in Wynn would nearly impossible and ineffective so the solution is make bigger and tougher golems that worth the money. Which come War Pattern, patterns that exclusively sold to army.

However recent development would occur with the company goal want to commericalize their golems to general public as previous pattern so far deem too dangerous or expensive for public to use, so they simply make golems that not only cheaper in production but also simply get what needed for average people life. Which then come the civil pattern which then kick start the storyline "Iron Heart"

[split night]

Judging by the bob tomb quest, I assume he's still alive

[hybrid gazelle]

@split night I am ab it tired so writing might be chopped

but you probably get the idea

also to further note, the golems that out station else where will have engineer stations near b

these are called golemeer who are employee of iron heart company

[candid cliff]

It isn't

[split night]

I always thought that If Urelix advertizing it as enhancing soldier to the government
it would have went a different way
and this is the diffeent way

[gleaming apex]

We know he went to try to seal Dern Beast, we don't know anything about what actually ended up happening though

[split night]

I think it's better moving on from it, I mistook whatever you said previously

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah this rewrite treat Urelix's caompny as actual company that want to expand and profit LOL

even if it mean exploiting peopel

OH YEAH FUNF ACT

this also come with remake of Lexdale Prison

which become organ harvesting operation

that extending the life of the rich

which is why Urelix able to live for 100+ years

[split night]

I always wonder why Lexdale Prison is just a one off quest that never mention again in the future for some reason

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I rewrite it to be this

mostly just remove dullahan from it

Urelix's company also heavily benefit from Lexdale prison

[tawdry mural]

its a gavel quest this tends to happen imo

[hybrid gazelle]

because they frequently obtain people from there to make into golems

this is very oudated pic that I have but it should serve as good explaination

[uneven basin]

Just a wee bit of dulla lore

[hybrid gazelle]

the golems are essentially people being wtisted and warped in order to fit the body

[gleaming apex]

Ehh, Idk about organ harvesting, would make more sense thematically for just using prisoner souls to extend life

[hybrid gazelle]

nervous system act like wire

[hybrid gazelle]

no because this is about flesh crafting

soul magic is just too dangerous

and also it just allow golems lore to interwine more with the prison

[split night]

Soul magic seems to just make the user insane

[hybrid gazelle]

because golems need a person soul intact to operate

because people are still alive in there

okay so

[uneven basin]

What examples of soul magic do we have in the game ?

[hybrid gazelle]

do you guys wathc Shed 17?

[split night]

the guy who controlled all of the badits near theseed and dullahan

im not gonna even bother remember that guy name, he's really forgettable

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so summary

golems are people who got their organs extracted out

and put into the new body

nervious system act like wire

they even have to eat

[uneven basin]

He's not insane tho

[hybrid gazelle]

like you see this?

the smoke stac k

that waste

that like literally waste being product by the person

[split night]

Define insane

[hybrid gazelle]

the golems still eat and shit is what I am saying

[whole river]

Funniest meme character who’s actually pretty strong

[uneven basin]

Yahya

That guy is just excentric

[split night]

That's called an obsession

[whole river]

Especially because he lowkey beats any army with his dumb maze magic

[split night]

I always wish that i could kill him in the quest

[uneven basin]

A bit more than that I'd argue

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah that like

most of golem lroe that I remember

maybe I will revisit it again one day

[whole river]

Maze magic is the strongest move in the game because it gives me irl emotional damage

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH like

I do want to use soul magic for golem

but the problem is that that would take away flesh crafting

which is something I really like

I think flesh crafting magic is really cool

[full harness]

Are the golems potty trained?

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh have not decide but their waste either expel from smokestack or waste tank that the engineer has to take out

[earnest prairie]

are the villagers in goldm making processes killed and reanimated or are they like left alive

[hybrid gazelle]

Left alive

They just been rearrange

[turbid egret]

who is bob that slykeer keeps talking abt

[violet anvil]

"who is bob" is genuinely wild

dissing bob wynncraft himself 😭

[earnest prairie]

thats like asking who's John Wynncraft

[whole river]

Gavel moment

[violet anvil]

least siegfried pilled gavel fan

[split night]

Or like asking who's Sans Undertale

[split night]

I love how Don't Forget lyrics from Deltarune just fit so well with wynncraft describing the current event in gavel

[lunar jungle]

Did Lari die at the end of RoL?

[split night]

Her fate remain uncertain until we reach dernic

[hybrid gazelle]

As trope go

She likely still alive

Yes likely

From writing standard in ceremonially killed lari only serve as shock value later than anything with substance due to how much work and time put into her development

[lavish knot]

No body = Not dead

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think it narratively fitting for her to end up dead

Because that imply that her character development just lead her to her death which

[lunar jungle]

we enter the dern portal and the first thing we run into is lari's head on a pike telling you to go away

[hybrid gazelle]

Honeslty I don’t think that the message rol t th king to do

Honestly the fact that many people fantasize lari death in Dern definitely concerning

But it is what it is

[lunar jungle]

That's fair tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay let not spoil that

[lavish knot]

I'd love to see Lari character development in Dern

[slim belfry]

AHHHHHH

[hybrid gazelle]

The issue is that

[slim belfry]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS STORY SPOILERS

sorry

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari character already been developed idk where else she could go

But again

Rewrite may fix this

[lavish knot]

Okay good point

[slim belfry]

gavel reborn 2 in 2030

speaking of notable characters like lari I do hope we get more recurring storyline characters if possible

[hybrid gazelle]

They do say rol is pioritize for rrwrite

But aib and ajf probably come out first cause less work

[slim belfry]

yeah true

do you think they could benefit from slight expansion or only rewriting

[hybrid gazelle]

Uhhhh

I honestly wish they do some change in rol rewrite

Ajb and ajf porbably coukd do just rewrite but I prefer some tweak in the build such as the mine

I think ajb and ajf coukd do a lot if they restructure the mine to be more try telling to how SE js discovered

While rol is like

Entire rol need to be fucking remake man

Like what we have is LAMEEEE

Light forest also use some change too

So as Aldorei

[split night]

I think it would be peak as hell if we found her in Dernic and she's all like Doom guy from Doom slayer

[neat oriole]

offscreen death = definently alive and coming back at some point

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk rol probably need the most work

Because gavel fucking suck

[neat oriole]

nah lari going to be half dead and we gotta revive her with the help of bob and qira

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh god like

Okay

I am not hating on qira anymore

But

[split night]

And like, work with my idea of how it would go
basically
when you encounter Lari in Dernic, she would be all hateful toward dark and want to kill them all so we have to teach her that killing is bad sometime and go full circle on RoL with RoD being a mirror to it xd

[hybrid gazelle]

What qira is rn I just don’t really see her in Dern or being key player in any story

Because when you have qira in the story it like big elephant in the room of

Can she help the player cause if she is would it be too easy???

It literally like having rich friend

[tawdry mural]

i think qira is a holdover from when an invasion of the world by dern was planned, and qiras army would handle the derns army while the player gets to the plot

[hybrid gazelle]

Like you got this person who got entire ass army here

[split night]

Idk why but she feel like a being of Dark but follow the light or smth?
she doesn't warp her employee's body or anything
she just kidnap them and feed them and give them a home

and to us she just train us for what to come

[hybrid gazelle]

Also I just don’t think they build qira really to be invovle in Dern story so far cause

Idk man you will see later but qira just exist

I guess

She exist

She know the dark exist

But like

Idk man she just exist

[split night]

She's really powerful as well being the fact that she wear an armor to limit her power when she fight us

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably?! Idk tbh I just imagine she chill with Bob or something

But probably habe face with than death than idfk

Pain build character

[lavish knot]

She's powerful, but I don't think she cares much about the rest of the world

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk I just
Don’t really want to work with slave master

Like

I just don’t wanna

[split night]

I'd like to imagine she be a dark being that got enlightend by Orphion so like, she do good but in the dark way

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I rather not work with slave owner

At very least I know that she is not racist after I talk to CT

But like

Slave owner yeah that

That still up in the air

[hybrid gazelle]

She definitely make army preparing for darkness but rn as the lore present her

Idk it still icky? Like okay are you gonna be part of the main story?

If you do can you like

Appear more often?

Being more relevant?

But again we will wait when qira lore actually get expand

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t she care about Orphion or even acknowledge him

[split night]

It's just gavel not explaining one off quest that we do once and never mentioned again

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk you gotta talk to selvut but their plan for qira is like intresting

Like it fine I just think people hype up qira way too much for important plot

Idk I just think qira as she rn just

Don’t really see her main player of any big storyline

[split night]

She's basically strong but irrelevant is what your'e saying xd

I would say she's probably just below Bob in term of strenght

[hybrid gazelle]

She potentially could be cool conceptually but

Rn? No

I do think writing wise she is conceptually interesting

[split night]

random ass strong woman

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it good that writer challenge themselves to write character who is a slave owner

But also not outright antagonist player can fight

[split night]

i feel like she's just a metaphor for capitalism

[hybrid gazelle]

Not really

She really is not

[split night]

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I think villager is better at that metaphor

[split night]

yeah i pulled that one out of my ass

sorry

[split night]

some villagers are dangerously close to some human in real life

that being some of them are pretty racist and like warring for no reason

no my goat seaskipper though, he's the best

[hybrid gazelle]

Villager don’t war for no reason

The war against the orc is an attempt to gain more territory

[tawdry mural]

they war for stupid reasons

[split night]

yeah that

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I would not say stupid but immoral? Yes

[split night]

I'd say they would be the first to war with elf if they know about the thing

even though it didn't affect most of them

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

Again villaher as a whole deserve remake to figure out what they meant to be in wynncraft universe

Cause rn they just

Very aimless in their direction

[tawdry mural]

how will the wynncraft artists draw villager portraits

[hybrid gazelle]

That probably need to figure out later

[split night]

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

The villager as they are just stand out in weird way in gavel

Like you got this province who is a high fantasy

And then there like

Actual villager from minecraft

Like no thst

That literal just villager from Minecraft

[split night]

it's kinda weird that they're above human in term of magic capability too while in game i don't see them perform much magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Like no denying it

[split night]

like i saw corkus do more magic than villager in game

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah I do think they deserve a remake to have some sort of identity

[tawdry mural]

yeah that bit of lore has always confused me

was the school paid off by villagers to hype them up? potentially

[hybrid gazelle]

Not really

Cause they said villager too lazy

[split night]

huh??

that's so weird

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah they too lazy to allow their potential to be realized

[split night]

they say villager is good at magic while not even showing any instances of them doing just that

[hybrid gazelle]

There Kelight

And captain Ragon

[split night]

oh yeah right

[hybrid gazelle]

They high in military rank

[split night]

i forgot Ragon is a villager

[split night]

I feel like, Ragon could have been a better elemental guy in The journey beyond
like who the hell is dren why is this random ass blacksmith know element

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly consider element stuff will be gone

I think it better to take Dren as descendent of those miners who manage to escape SE

and just have him as sort of witness or people to talk to

[split night]

oh? they confirmed it?

[hybrid gazelle]

dark and light is not an element

[split night]

peak

[sharp mango]

villagers are lazy to prevent them getting to powerful

[earnest prairie]

speaking of villagers i feel like villagers deserve a makeover ngl. specifically identity unique ones like Dr. Uelix and Ragon

just kinda feels weird have these very important figures in quests be default job skins n stuff. like the gavelian soldiers and garvan yknow

[split night]

i would be fine if they do more of Seaskipper captain, we never get to know his name

[earnest prairie]

he's definitely got a drug supply on him somehwere in the ship

[split night]

goat

i mean he definitely one hell of a drinker, he got drunk while sailing with us sometimes xd
and then sometime he just give us whiskey to drink

he is peak

[earnest prairie]

i can down 100 nemract whiskey no problem. ill drink him under the table

[split night]

someone gotta reach 100% blood alcohol after all, can't let top 1 be empty

[whole hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-7893830353927330572

[rugged turret]

||I just sacrificed Aledar 😭 wtaf||

[flint salmon]

i'm lf for Warrior any path/weap Build with Stardew innit for LR..

[mossy badge]

Lootrun lore 🤑

[hybrid gazelle]

funnily enough loootrun do have lore and give some little insight of the world of this game

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

Silverbull employees explaining why am i doing this raid i've alr done

[hybrid gazelle]

lootrun lore overall is pretty much the company activity that seems like the company try to profit from loots gathering from the area assigned

from what I remember

ti does not translate that well in gameplay because like

[mossy badge]

"They just revive bro 🤯 "

[hybrid gazelle]

you not taking stuff ofc

and raid part is mostly non canon

still kinda weird decision for them to put silverbull into that but whatever

but lootrun is in fact canon

I prboably have to reread the lore again

but conceptually it pretty great

[mossy badge]

😂

Sure bud

[hybrid gazelle]

I just wish it been shown more world building wise cause the idea of company taking advantage of the whole adventure thing is pretty good

IDK how to explain it more like capitalize the concept of adventure kind of thing

it pretty good conceptually and I wish they expanded more

becucase the way I view villagers in Gavel is how their presence industiralize and capitalize the fantasy aspect of Gavel

it like how The Boy protray super hero as big company's operation to contrast what people usually see in super hero

[mossy badge]

Why does me killing random birds benefit silverbull enough to give me shit loads of money? 🤔

[hybrid gazelle]

I really like that idea I wish they go harder for that in Villagers because what is there pretty good for their identity

well depend on the random bird

because lifeform in gavel can be quite dangerous and in order to ensure safety route for the employee to do lootrun

that would needed to be dealt with

so in anyway you still job lay out by the company

[mossy badge]

So i kill stuff so i can kill more stuff 🤯

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly thinking about it they probably could do alot with this concept alone

I wonder how they going to remake something like villager when they finally get to it

there a lot of potential to be made to create entirely new spieces to explore certain part of fantasy world

I dont think other media really do that yet? But then again it maybe because I was not aware of it

[earnest prairie]

its one of those things

where you dont rlly realize it until someone points it out ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it is

[earnest prairie]

i do feel like that light forest deserves a bit of a makeover tho in terms of representation

[hybrid gazelle]

I do think that villagers could be really cool spieces to explore

oh yeah light forest do need makeover

in my take of wynncraft world

[mossy badge]

The villagers made by notch good enough for wonncraft

[earnest prairie]

at least in my eyes the realms act like terrarias “influences”

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea of villagers have political dispute with elves

where villagers try to harvest resources from the Light Forest

with then come in conflict wit hthe elves

with lead to some elves become eco-terrorists

[earnest prairie]

like yeah dern and war are bad but light is also bad bc its like “anything not seen as pure by me must be cleaned including you”

[hybrid gazelle]

I do think that Light need to have red flag

but I dont think it should be obvious in Light Forest LOl

[mossy badge]

Btw in the lexdale prison, is it lead by elves? Why are they even killing randos?

[earnest prairie]

that’d be something i’d like from the content team. but instead of discoveries an quests we get lil posted “newspapers” pngs on the announcements updating us on acitivities in wynnraft lore

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

that would be nice to have in Cinfras

[earnest prairie]

like “Just in! Witherhead discovered in Ragni Sewers!

[earnest prairie]

i think its villagers

its been a while since ive ever wanted to step in the dark forest tho

[hybrid gazelle]

It confusing but like

pretty sure dullahan take over the prison and the elf was implanted there

so there only one elf

that is the warden

[earnest prairie]

i think white, pink, and baby blue is fine. i just see it like Terraria’s Hallow

[mossy badge]

Isn't the warden an elf

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK it kinda confuse

yeah she is

but she also imply to be like humonculus

or osmething

so we are not sure

the story left it pretty vague

[earnest prairie]

wtf is a humonculis

[mossy badge]

A doll

A robot

[earnest prairie]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

homunculus

basically meat roboty

but yeah

because there suppose to be connection between the warden to warden of wisdom

and consider wtf warden of wisdom is

humunculus is like

the only explaination

[earnest prairie]

they are wise, idiot? r/joke

idk about u tho but they def died in 2 seconds to me

so they cant be that wise

tho speaking of eldritch beings

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh speaking of Light forest

[earnest prairie]

is the death secret discovery canon?

[hybrid gazelle]

having it be like posion ivy from absolute batman could be cool

also yeah deaht secrect discovery is canon

[mossy badge]

Which one

[earnest prairie]

the funny gray house and food

and the statue of death

giant one

[mossy badge]

Death's realm?

[earnest prairie]

yea htat one

[mossy badge]

Thats not a secret discovery

[mossy badge]

I remember death's realm not being canon? Is it?

[hybrid gazelle]

it's in the game

so it canon

[mossy badge]

/store must be canon then

[hybrid gazelle]

even if it god awful

[earnest prairie]

i mean if it is canon

why tf does death love us

[hybrid gazelle]

boredom or whtaever

[mossy badge]

Its not death

[earnest prairie]

and then looks at aledar and is like “nah”

[hybrid gazelle]

like I say

[mossy badge]

Its some1 else

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar soul got destroy LOL

death would not be able to reach him LOL

[uneven basin]

I remember seeing a CT on the forums saying it's a joke quest and not really canon but grain of salt

[hybrid gazelle]

Beyond the Grave is canon to tghe game sadly

[earnest prairie]

it was JUST a flesh wound he might still be alive

[hybrid gazelle]

some CT say it is and some do not

[mossy badge]

His soul was sacrificed

[earnest prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-meme-quote-movie-funny-gif-16945923887944133308

[hybrid gazelle]

it up to your intereptation atthat point

but for me I just want to ignore it

[earnest prairie]

just a soul flesh wound

[mossy badge]

Guys whats the lore behind as18 queue not advancing 🥲

[earnest prairie]

thats asia right?

[mossy badge]

Prof world lore

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-mr-krabs-campfire-campfire-meme-mr-krabs-meme-campfire-gif-11784818026020390633

[earnest prairie]

oh uh

idk that one

never heard of it

[mossy badge]

Never heard of prof world? 😭

[earnest prairie]

no

i can only remember so much

[mossy badge]

Its a world.. with profs 🤯 (bombs)

[earnest prairie]

oh

bombs cant be good

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

Me when im bombing eu14 (im evil cuz profs are evil)

[earnest prairie]

yeah idk everything about lore in wynncraft tho

[mossy badge]

W eu10 trql my goat

[earnest prairie]

ask me about League lore and ill recite Shurima’s fall

LMAO

[mossy badge]

Guild community lore is prolly more deep than actual wonncraft lore 🔥

[earnest prairie]

let me guess

generational hatred?

or ig seasonal in this case

“YOU WERE MY BROTHER, SIEGFRIED”

[mossy badge]

Only spreading love and positivity, not hatred and negativity

[earnest prairie]

hm…i see

[hybrid gazelle]

I acutally stop keeping up league lore

I used to be big league lore fans but sadly shit just get worse and worse LOL

[mossy badge]

I can't believe competitive games even got lore

Cs lore 🔥

[earnest prairie]

kirby lore is where stuff gets messed up tho

[clear scaffold]

remember arcane exists

[earnest prairie]

ik. necrit had to switch content options bc they stopped hiring writers :C

[hybrid gazelle]

yah and arcane season 2 ending stink

so I just give up on it

and with Fruma update

I like Wynn lore more than league LOL

[stone bane]

salut ya des francais

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/france-hell-gates-of-hell-gates-meme-gif-3072452389461214069

[earnest prairie]

wtf the realm of war?!

[stone bane]

lol sorry

i need just some help sorry i go

[mossy badge]

#❓questions

[earnest prairie]

oh ask in wuestions. sm1 can help

westions

[opaque remnant]

Turns out the queen of Fruma is French

[earnest prairie]

her being ginger was a dead giveaway shes actually scottish

[stone bane]

ok ty

[earnest prairie]

or was it irish who are known for red hair traits?

[opaque remnant]

Yep

[earnest prairie]

you guys think fruma will hold a horse race competition for 50M emeralds that reqiures going from east Fruma to West Wynn? we should call it some kind of run

[rugged turret]

I hope so, and I hope that the buy-in is 195 STX per participant. 🤞🏻

[lavish knot]

Final part of the horse race: stairs

[split night]

50M EMERALD?

sign me the fuck up

[zenith venture]

Just wondering if Ragni has been under attack since Bob's birth, then wouldn't Nivla forest have already been ravaged as seen in the Nivla forest watchtower secret discoveries? And if the Nivla forest was ravaged, where would Ethe had stayed?

[hybrid gazelle]

I think I did

but it been regrow

[split night]

It probably just grow back up
we arrived a bit later so they should grow back by now

it was at least 100 years i think

taking that 1000 AP is the present time

[candid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/steel-bal-run-jojo-jonny-jjba-sbr-gif-27442483

[slow glen]

damn

sbr second episode just like fruma fr

[zenith venture]

I guess, but wouldn't it have been ravaged when Bob was training under Ethe, since that's the path Bak'al took to siege Ragni?

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think Bob was trainning in there while Bak'al sieging it

[zenith venture]

So Bak'al just took a break from Ragni in the 20 years it took for Bob to train up?

[hybrid gazelle]

because Bob is already at Troms in 881 AP

while Bak'al cross the river in 882 AP

and burn down the forest in 883 AP

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

Basically

[zenith venture]

oh huh

[hybrid gazelle]

Baak'al literally been doing nothing

until Bob finish his trianning

[zenith venture]

did the game ever say what happened to Ethe during that giant attack?

[hybrid gazelle]

not really

But you can intrept that the bak'al siege take long time due to Ethe protecting Nivla

but yeah

other than that

we dont have concrete evidence

[zenith venture]

also why was it that Mael taught Bob archery if everything about the Twains were so mage-coded?

[hybrid gazelle]

because

uhh

Mael good at bow

[cursive knot]

Mael has his own bow weapon skin, implying he learned archery at some point. However, Twain lore could use expansion.

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh ethe probably make way more sense as someone who taught Bob archery because he is in Nivla Forest which would do hunting a lot

but yeah it

it been like that since the beginning IDK why

and Ethe never get explaination to why he use magic even tho using magic is big deal back then

he just have it

I guess

[zenith venture]

I see

[hybrid gazelle]

but it look like they going to stick with Mael being bow user

to be fair his magic is soul magic

so I dont think he use it for combat

[zenith venture]

yeah but it was strong enough to stop theorick's crashout so I think that's worth something at least

[hybrid gazelle]

having power to control soul is

[zenith venture]

oh I guess spirit magic doesn't work well with corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty powerful so LOL

I dont think

[zenith venture]

because corruption deals with lost spirits as well?

[hybrid gazelle]

depend if the undead has soul

which I dont think they do

IDK

We dont really know that but like consider corruption

it probably can corrupt soul

probably

also I read again

apperantly he can summon wisp

I guess

IDK why the library has to say that

but he cand othat

Actually think about iti

It was pretyy to dumb for the Twain to have massive graveyard behind them when the main enemies are literally influence capable of reanimating tbe dead

[uneven basin]

Mael was there to prevent them from rising back up tho

you'll notice the lack of corrupted in the twain graveyard

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean not really?

And even tbe nesaak and almuj do not have THAT much corruption present

And even then corruption reanimation

Not revival it do not need soul to raise the dead

The body was piloted by sheer hatred

So having soul magic would not do anything

[uneven basin]

I guess but the fact that there are only angry spirits in the twain mansion is noteworthy

[hybrid gazelle]

But why tho

Like I been wondering

Like why

Why just house of Twain

[uneven basin]

twain magic ? prolly just ct trying to adapt the haunted house area from 2013 into modern lore

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess

But like what is Twain magic lol

Idk how do you even remake Twain house

[uneven basin]

according to the library it's regular magic cultivated by marius, it's just that it was really rare and precious in wynn back then

twain house is fine I think

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah so it just elemental

[uneven basin]

• mael

but yeah

ppl with an exceptionnal magic affinity taken in and trained for battle by marius twain in his big ass house far away from danger

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean that fine conceptually

But the tiny detail like graveyards is strange to me

[uneven basin]

you could explain the graveyard by saying it's where most ppl in wynn who wanted a burial got buried cause the area was mostly safe from corruption

buried there*

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess

Would be nice to have the spike emerge after the Twain disbanded

Resulting in graveyard being breached and corrupted

Now it just left in ruins with Mael left to tend it

I think that could be cool

It could recontextualize the angry spirit

Actually hmm

Maybe the spike could be recent development??

Because I think I read from a fic soemwhere that Mael shelter all those who survive the freezing from Theorick

I like that idea for the lore

So maybe after bob left, the spike emerge and overrun the graveyard

Actually I do like the idea of Twain house take the mantle of giving the dead proper rest

Which explain why they have massive graveyard

[violet anvil]

i don't actually believe either aledar or the player are aware of the existence of lutho at this point, so this seems like an odd thing to leave in the quest direction, no?

[hybrid gazelle]

It is

But ajb will get remake at some point so

Yeah

Also it’s ajb/ajf

Surprisingly you can argue it written worse than rol but nobody really notice it because

1. They don’t try to habe flawed character like Lari

2. They fuck up so bad that people interrept the dialogue differently and nobody actually know the actual intention

Also 3. The villain barely have presence like at least parasite appear in flashback

[uneven basin]

the vilain isn't supposed to have a presence tho ?

[hybrid gazelle]

Then idk what you suppose to do when the villain appear out of nowhere at the end of dungeon and that it

If you take out fantastic voyage

[uneven basin]

you shouldn't take out fantastic voyage imo

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe because an update outside the region should not do the heavy lifting?

And even then if the eye appear in fantastic voyage

Why not SE quests?

Cause clearly they want the eye to habe presence

And when you get the guardian key, the eye also speak

So like the eye presence is not even hidden

It felt poorly build up

Especially it’s 100+ questline a

Idk I expect some structure, maybe villains

But no it just journey through SE and boom big ass eye at the end of the dungeon

[uneven basin]

that's fair

[hybrid gazelle]

Which you won’t even know is the eye belong to the main antagonist because you probably did not finish the secrect discovery

So it literally just

A big fucking eye

So it feel more likes a big obstacle

[misty jetty]

Anyone else think about how weird the quest Beyond the Grave is? Like it brings up a bunch of questions, at least for me, such questions include.

Is Death's realm a place within Influence or is it a separate space?
If Death allows anyone to take a deal and come back to life, why are characters like Bob and the SE quest crew still dead?
Why does Dullahan have to be revived with the lake?
Who are the forces interested in keeping the Soldier alive, is one of the Beasts or just a nod to the dev team?
Finally are there other personifications of forces beyond Light and Dark?

I realize it's mostly just a way to explain the player coming back, but it's just so weird when placed in context to the rest of the Lore.

[hybrid gazelle]

Good question

And to answer those question

We don’t know

God this remind me we have to kill beyond the grave

[uneven basin]

yeah technically it is, I wanna say that you can pick up from the context but the average wynn player isn't payng attention to that

[hybrid gazelle]

What context clue cause I sure ain’t picking one either

[uneven basin]

unsatisfying answer is it's not meant to be taken seriously

[misty jetty]

Fair, it's just annoying to deal with when trying to fit in my fan made lore [specifically made for fanfic and art], because it's such a gaping hole in how the established lore works.

[uneven basin]

eye iconography throughout the expanse links it as "the boss of the eyes", the way the terrain is reminiscent of the kander forest links how this place is linked to the dark beast

[uneven basin]

well you can have fun making up your own interpretation of how it can fit

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure that expected but I mean as what the eye is befause surely tjis giant eye coukd be just big eyefolk or one of the tree from eyeball forest lol

It does not really sell out importance of the Eye

Not it try to build some relationship with the eye

So it feel more likes a obstacle than a villain

Which is kinda bad when the fucking thing is a part of major antagonist

It more like “wow that sure is a big fucking eye”

[uneven basin]

His title is "the overseer of Wynn"

But I agree it's function is mostly to be a wall

[uneven basin]

to answer your questions with my fanfction-y canon I'd say :
it's a separate space
my headcanon is death favors the player for some reason
my headcanon again lol
maybe someone even higher than the beast aka the great bovine aka salted so yeah the dev team
I would like there to be but I don't think the CT wants to go there

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeha yhat badass title but I kinda expected from giant eye ball on a tall tower

Also honestly for death idk man

We gotta fucking kill beyond the grave

[misty jetty]

Agreed Beyond the Grave needs to die. Regardless, I think I've come with a decent explanation for my own headcanon, which extrapolates from the old Soul Point system. Basically those born in areas where the veil between Influence and Physicality are thin enough, their souls become splintered. Basically rather than residing in their bodies within their home plane, their spiritual energy is splintered and suffused with energy from Influence. So whenever the body of Splintered dies the energy from Influence moves down into Physicality, and reconstitutes the body. I haven't decided where said new body is formed, if it's where they died, or if it's where they last rested. Regardless they do have a finite limit of how much they can die before the energy is completely spent, but said energy will regenerate over the course of days.

Sorry for the long wall of text

[misty jetty]

Idk, I feel like there was at least some build up with stuff like War of the Realms (do I have to spoiler tag secret discoveries?) and the personal messages sent during the dungeon and when you kill its key guardian. I knew that I was ready to kill whatever waited at the top once I finished ajb.

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that probably fine enough

[hybrid gazelle]

There is but it just really out of the way

Even then it imply the eye has personality but it barely shown or none at all in the quest

Any and yeah if you do rol stuff you would get some hint to tjis with darkness and stuff

But reminder

Rol rework was not there at SE release lol

Even then everything you got so far just give impression that the eye is a massive wall to overcome

Rather than a villain behind the scene

[misty jetty]

Oh, it wasn't, I did not know. I only did ROL in like... 2023 I think? Wow, I hadn't realized it was that long ago.

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

Honestly I really like the idea of the eye having total control of Se by spreading its vein

Allowing to manipulate the land to turn it against the expendition team

And eye folks are the extension of the eye

I have so much idea including potential rework of EO to be more narratively focus

[misty jetty]

That would be better, especially because then it's not just random chance what happened to the other explorers it was genuine malice.

Also are we allowed to discuss Fruma stuff here or is that only in story spoilers?

[hybrid gazelle]

Only story spoiler

[misty jetty]

K, also are you the same Trashie on the Forum and Tumblr?

[hybrid gazelle]

Sadly yes

[misty jetty]

Cool your lore stuff's really cool, anyway sorry for the tangents. I'll let people get back to actual lore discussions now.

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

[misty jetty]

Such as what other gods there are in Wynn, because I'm fairly sure one of the item descriptions mention gods of wynn plural.

[hybrid gazelle]

I think an intereptatiob is matter as much as actual lore

Hmmm

[misty jetty]

True

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay the thing here is that I when it come to religion

You gotta do heavy lifting for that

Cause back then when grain habe more control over the lore

He does not really want to invovle religion much

And as result of that

Gods are just

Not really a thing?

There god-like entities Ywah

But like

Actual god that people worship? Barely

[misty jetty]

Yeah there's like Bovemiest and the Light the elves worship. That's about it from what I remember.

[hybrid gazelle]

Bovemist still primary meta joke btw lol

There an attempt to make it more in universe

But it still meta joke which

Eh?

It fine

Therr also garaheth and colossus for the doguns

I think that by far the best religion protray in wynncraft

[misty jetty]

True, especially since we actually see a priest in the raid.

[hybrid gazelle]

Therr also villaher religion

But just like anything aboht villager

It vague as hell

But it likely similar to Christianity

I think

Like this is just I think

[misty jetty]

Mostly I'm trying to figure out how Beasts and slight Fruma arg spoilers ||scions|| can I say that term here, or should I use Chosen? Are formed. Regardless, I'm trying to figure how to place my own headcanon being Hemotaph or The Blood God within the politics of the Realm of Influence (yes this was a Technoblade reference, but it has kinda spiraled into its own thing in my head. Especially because the Blood in this case that Hemotaph is god of is representative of bonds formed between others, the literal blood in people's veins, and protection of others.) Basically he's like a minor deity in the Realm of Influence, but I don't know if other areas aside from Light, Dark, and War exist within Influence or if those are the only three forces. Is there any neutral ground there? This is all just to explain how my Soldier can have both hemophilia but also be an assassin, since he's favored by Hemotaph, and the god gave him properly coagulating blood.

[hybrid gazelle]

The tree did name thon there other realms

So there could be pace for that

[misty jetty]

Cool

[regal walrus]

Can someone explain the magic thing to me

I’ve done a cursed one, and I’m still confused

Ik im not supposed to know everything but can someone explain to me how it works and what we have

[gleaming apex]

What magic thing?

[cerulean osprey]

go to #🛑story_spoilers

[regal walrus]

Oh yeah mb

[slender copper]

I do understand that the Player is suppose to not have a lot of lore behind them, other then general information (like being from fruma), and the player having a backstory will detract from the player being well... a self insert. But is the player truely just a normal, human recruit... or will there be some more background information with the player that doesn't detract from the self insert.

[hybrid gazelle]

As according to salted interview, player character meant to be vague in order to allow player themselves to interpret. But ct also say thetr will be crumbs do player lore

So there is a concrete info on the player

It also enough for interpretation

[lavish knot]

There's def build up for player lore considering RtP and the arg, it would be a miss if they just ignore it

[earnest prairie]

plot twist: we were the king

or previous queen

yup

[misty horizon]

ngl, assuming that dern is the end of wynncraft storyline

it would be quite dissapointing if we get generic ending that "evil is evil because it is evil"

[hybrid gazelle]

I can asusre you that not where wynncraft is heading

[misty horizon]

hopefully dern beast will have some interesting convoluted philosophy like orphion

something beyond human comprehension, beyond morality of mortals like Lari and Bak'al

[void mason]

the player probably stole a piece of bread and got exiled for it

[earnest prairie]

least it wasnt a certain someone who saw military supplies and thought the guards wouldnt notice a single crate missing out of 30

like if it was 500 crates yeah MAYBE you’d get away with it but dawg thats 30 crates of military supplies. im pretty sure theyre gonna notice that

[hybrid gazelle]

I can assure you fruma story will raise up your expectation LOL

[misty horizon]

thanks pal

cant wait for fruma lore

[earnest prairie]

we gonna fruma all over the place

[split night]

I myself find the concept of morality puzzling

hey guys what if there is something in war realm that rules it and it is called
The THING in red

[rotund gust]

teehee

[rotund gust]

check #your_work :D

[slender copper]

Now that I think of it, how does Olon know our name... or even how they knew we would go through the gate in the first place. I've been going through the wiki and it's just regarding background information.

[formal bridge]

by the time you're getting to a level 78 quest, the soldier who's been going around beating things up and helping out everywhere has probably gone around. Considering Olon is interested in investigating Aldorei, he was probably just waiting for the chance to have someone help. The quest immediately prior involves you investigating a theft literally right outside the gate, so he probably hears about you then and waits for you to enter

[slender copper]

I keep on forgetting that the player's deeds are being spread around lol (Just thought that it happened around level 96 when we became known because a chief said that we were known)

[earnest prairie]

do you guys think gavel would try to jump Corkus is the Corkians discovered nuclear energy?

[earnest prairie]

nvm. what if they harnessed void stone energy

[clear scaffold]

nah lari says you've been doing stuff for a few weeks in gavel by the time RoL 4 comes around

so yeah player's getting more known

[earnest prairie]

live lari reaction after seeing a random human and 3 random hires beat a whole hive of worms and solo dullahan with ease

seriously tho. how does lari spend like 200+ yrs on a decay issue and then we come along and raise hell

[earnest prairie]

“GOKU! RAISE YOUR CHILDREN!”
“YEA DAD! I MISS YOU!!”

[gleaming apex]

Yeah it's based on that meme

[earnest prairie]

is there a variation of

“Vegeta we have to blow up the earth” for wynncraft?

[gleaming apex]

Maybe like the elven elders "guys we have to leave Wynn" "what why" "The portals got leaked" insert Bob flying at them

[earnest prairie]

when im in a telephone fumble competition and my opponent is the elven council

[gleaming apex]

Elven council?
More like L-ven council

[limber swan]

who drew this again?

[earnest prairie]

let me google that

i found it when i searched lari fanart bc i wanted to draw lari so i needed refs

bc lets be honest im not gonna figure smth out from a stillfrontal img

uhhh sm1 on reddit named tomaru

[whole river]

Tbf lari doesn’t have difficulty with either

[misty horizon]

Lari when she needs to kill absolute evil: "There must be the other way"
Lari when player is getting more blessing: "Fuck it we ball"

[digital swan]

pacifism

[round wraith]

IL OVE WYNNCRAFT ART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[split night]

RoL is flawed but like
I felt like the need of slandering Lari make people ignore most of the context in game

[clear scaffold]

lari was ignored for 1000 years

the player shows up and gets IMMEDIATE attention, her anger is 100% justified

like orphion did it all with no help from orphion in the slightest outside of getting powers then he leaves her on read, player shows up and orphion is more devoted to us than a simp to his favourite e-girl

[shut pike]

Are there more story quests after the "recovering the past" quest? I assume they are but as for now nothing shows up in my quest book

[hybrid gazelle]

you just need to levle up

[spring kernel]

no main quest line quests yet no

there's other questlines

[hybrid gazelle]

oh they meant main questlines

ther stuff like ROL that you need for fruma update

[shut pike]

So lore quests end there?

[spring kernel]

no, just the "main quest line"

that early game questline was added semi recently

later quests have lore, they're just not connected into a single questline yet

[shut pike]

Makes sense

But how do I tell the lore ones apart from just side quests

[spring kernel]

there's various seperated questlines later along the line though

[shut pike]

They're the same color

[hybrid gazelle]

side quest also have lore

literally every single quest have lore dependence on the its premise

they still all exist in one unvierse

Grookwart despite being side quest, still tell us about how magic system work

[regal walrus]

They will be dark green

And also you will see because they will be labeled “Dwarves and Doguns Part 2” or “Realm of Light Part 4”

But yeah honestly if you really wanna understand the lore just do every quest

[buoyant depot]

https://bsky.app/profile/tomarusan.bsky.social

Tomaru🍅 (@tomarusan.bsky.social)

that one tomato

Bluesky

[split night]

All quest are basically canon, some of them are misinformation though but generally can be trusted to be canon

sidequest offer nit bit little things, like side-story and explain some stuff in the game
while mainquest is our story, the player character story that have a much larger impact and more important

there is also secret discovery that offer even more nit bit but important thing that isn't fit to be a quest but still good to know even more stuff about the wynniverse

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[split night]

also uh
idk if you haven't notice but the mainquest is dark green and the sidequest is lime

[raw badge]

Main exceptions for such would be A Hunter's Calling, Beyond the Grave and vice versa

[mossy badge]

Beyond grave is canon bro

[raw badge]

Well not by literally meeting Death

[split night]

That happened to our character's memory??
A hunter's calling is basically different vision the dern thing offer for the main character
It did happen, it just didn't happen physically and it impact our player character
like they ask the dern thing if it is darkening their soul and stuff

like
are you telling me the secret discoveries where you see the past is also not canon too? xd

[shut pike]

There's no more dark green quests for me anymore

That's why i firstly asked are there more further on

[split night]

What LV are you at

[hybrid gazelle]

Beoynd the grave is sadly is canon

[shut pike]

34

[hybrid gazelle]

but it likely get updated later on

[split night]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah the questline aint there yet you just need ot keep lelving

Side quest have lore too

[split night]

blud currently the max is 105
you need to play more

[hybrid gazelle]

it can be equally as important

[split night]

you're getting spoiled if you read everything here btw

just getting that across

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

literally just play the quests like

even if it not mainline quest

you wil get lore either way

either that or it's decently fun gameplay

like I can assure you, you are not gonna fucking die by playing side quest

[split night]

the book have sort in content progress order
it will tell the story kind of chronologically if you want it to be coherent

[hybrid gazelle]

ESPICALLY in fruma where side quest is actually really really good

[split night]

don't play recommended quest, play the content progress order quest, it would make more sense and the story would sounds more coherent!!

[slender copper]

Yeah, I agree with Auree. Judging from how my "recommended quest" was A Journey Beyond at level 79, it's all out of order lol

[buoyant depot]

🤨!?

the content book showed you ajb at lv79??

[slender copper]

Yeah, it is grayed out because I'm not at the level to do it, but yeah it's recommended to me lol

[buoyant depot]

o_O

[lavish knot]

ajb is a level 100 quest?

Also speaking of which, I see the sidequest more of as canon complimented and how canon it is depends from person to person

[hybrid gazelle]

some CT saying BYG is not canon is certainly the worst fucking mistake

[slender copper]

Is there no real agreement if Beyond the Grave is canon or not? Been hearing on and off about it lol

[hybrid gazelle]

if it in the gmae

then it's canon

that the best I can put it

cause if it's not cnaon then why they put it in the gmae

it being a joke quest is not even an excuse because you can still have joke quest while also stay true to canon

it called being actually funny and find a way to implement your joke to be funny even if it stricted in universe

[uneven basin]

Sorry to ask about fruma stuff but does the corkus patriot plotline or Corkus at all ever become relevant again ?

[hybrid gazelle]

if you want a spoiler

||It not relevant to the main story but it do get mention in the expansion||

[misty horizon]

me when my friend dullahan tells me for 800 years to kill parasite but i must still pursue pacifism

but tbh orphion is also huge bum here

the only tragic person here is dullahan

he didn't deserve allat

[clear scaffold]

because god himself picked her (possibly implying it's because of who she is)

like sure dullahan was right, but orphion set that issue up

[misty horizon]

fair

[hybrid gazelle]

also btw Orphion imply to be the reason for Lari's pacifism

how? we dont know but from Lari dialogue

[misty horizon]

tbh if in bum competition the aldorei's elders are the biggest bums

[hybrid gazelle]

it imply Lari is a pacifist FOR Orphion

[misty horizon]

because of them all this catastrophe got started

[misty horizon]

because Lari believes that pacifism is pinnacle of good

[hybrid gazelle]

She literally said that she was told to follow her heart LOL

Orphion play some part in her pacifist

but we dont know how extacvlty yet

" just by following my heart, like I was told..."

[slender copper]

I thought Orphion thinking that through his light, IT will guild Lari what to do... even though Light is simply a otherworldly force and not a force of good. So the "follow your heart" comment was him thinking his light has illuminated her lol.

[clear scaffold]

she was probably always a pacifist

but god picking you for your heart REALLY reinforces whatever trait you have

and in lari's case. pacifism being so strongly ingrained in her because she got picked would make at least sense.. Why i blame orphion for it

[slender copper]

Now it's recommending A Hunter's Calling

[buoyant depot]

oh

thats not wynncraft

this menu is from an unofficial third party mod

[gloomy idol]

Pretty sure the default quest book has the recommended filter anyways

Wynntils just makes quest book look nicer(worse)

[slender copper]

Oh, well I was thinking in getting off of Wynntills to avoid the format to bugging out with the new Fruma menu's... so I guess it won't last long lol

[spring kernel]

Turn off the custom quest book

[slender copper]

o_o you can do that?

[buoyant depot]

wynntils lets you toggle everything

its actually quite overwhelming, how many settings there are

[spring kernel]

There isn't a settings menu so big it's hard to navigate for ni reason

[buoyant depot]

yea its just a bigass list 😭

[slender copper]

Lol I didn't know that. I only thought it was to customise.

I would assume it's in the wynntills menu... now time to find where it is.

[buoyant depot]

escape menu

wynntils

settings in the bottom left

type content book in the search bar

(i think)

mc is being uncooperative rn

[slender copper]

Found it, it was at the bottom of the all section lol

Yeah that's an improvement lol

[buoyant depot]

yippee

[split night]

I do like it
I just hate their Waypoint Icon

I wish I could turn it off and use the normal wynncraft icon

( i did try turning it off but it doesn't show anything to indicate where the quest is )

[earnest prairie]

spoiler about fruma: the province is actually called Amurf

and gravity is inverted. thank you for coming

[tawdry mural]

i have played the beta this is true

[vestal rivet]

yes
Fruma is Australia

[earnest prairie]

happy april fools

[late dagger]

Fruma was eaten by my dog

[hasty spoke]

Fruma needed more microtransactions and was sent to EA for a relaunch in may

[warm adder]

my dog ate another dog

[polar moth]

dog eat dog world...

[polar moth]

can confirm as an australian

they actually built fruma here to get a feel for the architexture needed

[dense python]

my dog hopped on my account and used cheats

[regal spire]

My little brother used free cam and ss a bunch of offmap stuff please unban me

[digital swan]

my friend committed all those horrible murders not me I swear

[real onyx]

how do you get caught using freecam wtf

[hasty spoke]

Let's just say he wasn't arrested for the freecam

[regal spire]

Ooo, so close

[raw badge]

Okay so I'm not sure if there's anything to know more about WynnExcavation, besides the fact that One Thousand Meters Under had some budget cuts likely due to funding from there being cut off? I dunno

[hybrid gazelle]

Uhh. Crystal has something to do with the war

And uhh

Idk lmao

[vapid path]

Also something about crystal studies related to ???, and some SE tie ins

[regal spire]

There’s RoL, RoD, RoW, and RoC

RoC being realm of crystals, ofc

[vapid path]

Realm of clock. Clock mystery when…

[heady idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266916175456239707/1296496521306443826/attachment-2-2.gif

[potent isle]

So lemme unpack the Troms Lore:
831 AP, Slykaar comes to Troms
879 AP Tisaun Sodeta is born in Troms
881 AP Bob comes to a burning Troms and learns under Fier

What this means is that the burning Troms is a different Troms attack from Skein's betrayal, unless Tisaun was able to kill 1000 Corrupted as a 2-year old

[hybrid gazelle]

I have 0 idea

[earnest prairie]

Why didn’t the Olms use the door of time to escape into a future with no darkness? are they stupid?? /j

[digital swan]

wynn humans age quick

[cerulean osprey]

you need something tangible from the future to use the door of time

like we used theorick's staff to go to the past

[fair sky]

Is Slykaar still alive by the time Player reaches Troms? (probably stupid but I need to be sure)

[split night]

he is, sealed deep within the undergrowth crypt
but after we kill him, he is dead

[fair sky]

so he is like at least 200 years old?

[split night]

i think you gotta do the secret discoveries to know that and i did but i forgot the majority of the more unimportant character

xd

but where is it that it mention he is at least 200 years old?

[fair sky]

welp i done all the discoveries xD

[fair sky]

this fella said he came to tromes in 831AP

when we come to Ragni from Fruma it is 1000AP

[split night]

yeah then he is about 150+ yrs old

If i remember correctly bob "died" ( went to dern ) before we arrive at least 100 years

[fair sky]

gotta check the wiki but i'm just wondering why he didn't die from old age

[split night]

people seem to age in the wynniverse except for very powerful beings

[split night]

he's a shaman that manipulate life forces so I assume he just use it on himself
i mean he did revive himself into a monster in his phase 2

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause Wynncraft back then habe general rule of important people = live long

But Yeha yoh could take it as he using his

Shamanism shit to extend his age

[uneven basin]

He siphoned the life of a bunch of Troms ppl I think he's earned a little extra hundred years of lifespan

Jungle discoveries will most probably expand on that when they're released in 2030

[split night]

they plot armored the ageing mechanic 😔

[junior thunder]

Guys hear me out

[mossy badge]

This is common knowledge

[earnest prairie]

the void cats of void cats

[exotic bough]

10 years too late for that

[low rain]

nah the cultists still wear dragon masks

[exotic bough]

though i do remember that one line from temple of legends

[low rain]

and the dern creatures are still endermen

[exotic bough]

"[smth smth laughing at garull for believing creepers exist] That'd be like saying and enderdragon would attack Detlas!"

[low rain]

and the beast is always referred to as "her" (ender dragon is a gal)

jean is the dern beast

[exotic bough]

source?

[low rain]

orphion, pretty sure bakal refers to her as a gal

every time ive seen the dern beast mentioned its always with a "her"

[exotic bough]

where does bakal say this

im not seeing him refer to db with she/her

[low rain]

I know orphion definitely does

[exotic bough]

orphion is...

[low rain]

I havent done story in a while but orphion always talks about her after your first clear on a new class

[exotic bough]

i think that's best if i just let that simmer since you'll find out in like a month at least

[earnest prairie]

since the server is down you guys think the dern beast finally won?