📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

getting suck by Parasite is truly his plan

[gleaming apex]

Maybe

[split night]

Orphion and Dern Beast got some weird foreplay i swear

[hybrid gazelle]

next time i should eat a whole ass tape worm and see what happen

[full harness]

Orphion lowkey just be lucky that he looks like the good guy

[hybrid gazelle]

he is lucky that his a dog because if he not then nobody will love him

[gleaming apex]

If he can see that getting sucked by parasite causes a hero strong enough to fight Dern beast appear, maybe it was his plan

[hybrid gazelle]

bro got a community that only like him for his design

geniunely such pathetic of a character jesus

[full harness]

You are talking about lari and ava fans rn

[hybrid gazelle]

me when I just talking out of my ass

[split night]

I think the fact that he could convince a force of nature like us to fight along side him, I'd say it's a really good gamble

[gleaming apex]

Well in universe he's liked because the light is literally necessary for life as we know it, so there's not really an option to not like him

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447712124272115753/1461696943074967563/image0.gif

[gleaming apex]

Because in general we don't want to live in a world like the SE

[split night]

I mean I like him not because he's a dog
I like him because he's Light, it's hard to explain but is it wrong to like the concept of light itself?

[slim belfry]

I've never really liked orphion

[split night]

other than that, I like the fact that we have difference result to petting him

[slim belfry]

too much light is blinding

[split night]

That's why I ship Orphion and Dern Beast

[hybrid gazelle]

peopel be talking shit about Lari and Ava fans when they only been talking to those people who sexualize them for 90% of the time

[split night]

Balance as it should be

[full harness]

And too much dark makes it impossible to see 😔

[hybrid gazelle]

when they enver attempt to actually talk to people who geniunely like those characters

[full harness]

We must bring balance to the force

[hybrid gazelle]

I never seen anyone who geniunely like Orphion and respect his character

while I seen people who actualyl DO respect and like Lari and Ava character even conceptually

[slim belfry]

me seeing a user with an interesting name about birds

[split night]

I genuinely like Lari character, Ava is fine I guess, she got a pretty good story and conclusion

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavin is a true ava fans and I geniunely pissed that you would slander his name

[gleaming apex]

The issue is that too much light hasn't really been shown to have major negative effects, but too much dark makes you end up with the hellhole that is SE

[full harness]

Bruh judging by the amount of hate I’ve seen for their actual writing, but freaky art weirdos post on here every day of them sexualized, I don’t think people respect them for their personality

[split night]

Like, I really don't like my eyes being part of a tree

[hybrid gazelle]

those people who actually like them stille xist and still valid as indivudals

[slim belfry]

I feel like we have seen a hint of it but not expanded upon due to partial jokes

[hybrid gazelle]

and when I talk about Lari and Ava fans

I always refer to those indivudals

not these people

[gleaming apex]

So it's kinda like we're on the side of light by default

[hybrid gazelle]

so IDK what are you talking about

there are geniune Lari and Ava fans out there

[split night]

But for what dark is, I do think it is a necessity to life
because it offer an end, like that creature said
Light and Dark, they all just part of life, they can't exist without one another

[hybrid gazelle]

it just people like you push them away from the community by grouping them with those people

[gleaming apex]

So there's not really a reason to dislike Orphion other than his sheer incompetence

[full harness]

But orphion fans aren’t valid? 😔

[hybrid gazelle]

if there are orphion fans thta like him for his personality
sure
I do met some tho

tho rarer than Lari and Ava fans

surprisingly

[slim belfry]

I have a theory that too much light is implied to cause heavy dissociation

[gleaming apex]

The issue is that he's just genuinely stupid and incompetent if you just go by what's in canon

[hybrid gazelle]

except the fact that Orphion personality in the game is in between
An absent father or vague posters

[split night]

There are differences between a simp and a genuine fan but one thing in common is they like the character, otherwise? eh, they're nothing like each other

[gleaming apex]

And literally doesn't make sense

[split night]

Now that you bring that up
He does seem like a dad who went to get milk relating to Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

there definitely different between liking Lari conceptually for her character and objectifying her for being a woman

[split night]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

there definitely different I can tell you that

[split night]

it's a fact, set in stone

[hybrid gazelle]

and I think grouping these two group of people together

is a sign of ignorants

[split night]

I agree lots

[gleaming apex]

Exactly, I "like" Lari because I can make fun of her for being a fraud, not because she's a woman

[hybrid gazelle]

I think wynncraft been cultivate its enviroment to push the geniune fans away for far too long now

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-cat-wider-gif-3879805434184283975

[full harness]

He could see Lari as more of a tool to use during a peaceful time and less of someone he respects as a partner

[hybrid gazelle]

and before Fruma hit I would like this kind of behaviour to be gone from the community

[gleaming apex]

Lol, lmao even. Good luck with that lol

[hybrid gazelle]

it's wishful thinking

but god I do wish these kind of behaviour fucking gone

espically with the new potential arts flood coming with fruma update

[split night]

I think Lari is a harbinger of peace, but the problem she's dealing with is nothing like what she's trained to do
so we were needed and we solve the problem in less than a week or two as refered in game xd

[slim belfry]

day one fruma beta shouts

[split night]

Oh my boat i HOPE that they respect Queen as a character 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

STUFF LIKE THAT

[gleaming apex]

Except that there's no canon reason Orphion didn't just tell her what to do, so it's like why?

[hybrid gazelle]

YES

that is ban warrant

Reek on par with rotting carcass

[slim belfry]

note for future betas: background check for every beta tester

[hybrid gazelle]

you cant even background check people because they can just buy the pass

[slim belfry]

yeah...

[hybrid gazelle]

the best they can do is have some sort of guideline for people to agree with

and if they break the guideline

they got their beta testing revolk

[split night]

Most of RoL is just up to interpretation, and people interprets differently
And i hate that, not because interpretation is bad, but this is just bad writing that make a lot of thing confusing

[full harness]

Bro is asking pervs to stop drawing objectified female characters in a video game. Sadly that isn’t going to happen unless people start getting timeouts from the discord for posting it in chat

[gleaming apex]

Also is there ever a reason Orphion didn't just send a letter to Bob? "Hey could you pop over for 10 minutes and neg-diff the parasite for me?"

[hybrid gazelle]

this is not about the artists
this is about average community members in general

[slim belfry]

she got so much characterization that almost everyone cares about her as a person

[hybrid gazelle]

if the public perception contineu to group these 2 peoples together as one singular group

then we are ignorant and uneducated

what I am saying that these 2 should stay seperate

the art of sexualization of character will stay

because that just how it is

[split night]

I would just try and seperate these two everywhere i go in every discussion i encounter

[hybrid gazelle]

but probably for the best to stay off this server and if it off this server then I dont really care

what I am focus on is general community SHOULD seperate these 2 group from one and another

being Lari fans does not mean you are prevert gooners who like her for being a women

[full harness]

? I was never lumping in fans of the actual characters and pervs together, my point was I have never seen a lari or ava fan that talked about liking their actual writing vs just posting weird shit on the discord

[split night]

It's a rule, but that doesn't mean they have to enjoy it 😭

I do hope that the community get one extra braincells and do this

[full harness]

She genuinely deserves better writing

[split night]

I mean did you check

this is my first message on the server as well, i think

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I hope so maybe some day

but yeah fruma so far just really really good update

with really good story

I would even say the story is good on its own

this is geniunely like really good work

[slim belfry]

the burden of beta to know what happens in advance and not tell anyone 🥲

[split night]

I mean hey, at least I am pretty new ( relating to all the long time player here ) I've only been playing for 1-2 month of so it is changing for the better, just a bit

[hybrid gazelle]

I remember in the early time

when I pretty like

pretty new to teh community

you ltierally cant post one Lari fanart without people talking about her flaw like jfc man we get it

[slim belfry]

PFFFT

[split night]

I would even love it if it just the tooltip design, man those beauty add at least 50 hours to play time

[full harness]

Stay strong, or have another account ready and a vpn to avoid them finding out you’re avoiding ban on an alt

Then spoil everything

[slim belfry]

I'm not even brave enough to give someone my fruma spoilers helmet

[split night]

counter them with pointing out her strenght and good quality

[split night]

I'm gonna cry if I get spoiled

[hybrid gazelle]

well sometime it just not worth dealing with those people

[split night]

😭

[solid fable]

wtf slushers mention wsg

[slim belfry]

dont worry if you get spoiled there's a dozen other things you dont know

[full harness]

Wassup goat

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that fucking chud is back again

[slim belfry]

LOL WHO

[hybrid gazelle]

Him

[split night]

I mean there are dozen of weird random thing in wynncraft
like the wybel in selchar thing

[solid fable]

bro is a hater ‼️

[gleaming apex]

I like agendaposting, which is why Lari will forever be a fraud to me, and also until confirmed otherwise I am headcanoning that she got disintegrated 5 min after we last see her

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-true-false-mega-zygarde-pokemon-gif-5586772890371876609

DIE GAVIN

FUCKING DIE

[slim belfry]

ohhhh that's gavin

[solid fable]

also I will just say it is hard to talk serious about ava / lari's character in public haha, people don't take it seriously, but i will say there are some groups out there that actually do discuss this !!

[solid fable]

Relax

[hybrid gazelle]

YOU DIE THE MOMENT FRUMA COME OUT

[slim belfry]

hi seen your arts you have nice art (wait idk if you do but nice art you shared)

[solid fable]

thank you thank you

[split night]

I would imagine her with a scar and a newfound hatred for dark and obsessed with killing them

and we have a quest where we tell her that sometime it's okay not to kill going full circle on RoL
and her lashing out at us telling that it was US that teach her to kill

man it would be so peak

[hybrid gazelle]

I WILL RIP YOU IN HALF AND TURN YOU INTO A RAILING FOR STAIR

[solid fable]

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavin is lucky than any of us because like the fucker fav character is Ava

[gleaming apex]

I am also on the Bob agenda, which means until confirmed otherwise Bob is stronger than Orphion and the Dern beast combined, neg diffed all of Dern, and both Lari and Bak'al got disintegrated because they got too close to his spell practice,

[hybrid gazelle]

and Ava at least chilling in corkus

while our character is like
either have dead boyfriend
stuck in Dern
or whatever

[split night]

what
who have a dead boyfriend 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim

[solid fable]

yeah bro you guys suck at choosing favorite characters ava and maxie are chilling in a thriving country

[split night]

and teaching Maxie :)

[split night]

absolute fruma

[gleaming apex]

Anni actually tried to get through the portal again because Bob is currently destroying the Realm of War and it was fleeing in fear

[hybrid gazelle]

DELETE CORKUS

DELETE CORKUS NOWWWWWWWWWWW

I DON'T CARE IF A LARGE CHUNK OF CONTENT IS MISSING
I NEED GAVIN TO SUFFER

[slim belfry]

corkus can still exist it just cant be a province

[hybrid gazelle]

THAT THE ONLY THING THAT AMTTER

[solid fable]

Large content my ass bro we got like 4 quests

[hybrid gazelle]

there is lootrun

and a dungeon

[gleaming apex]

The worst lootrun ever tho

[slim belfry]

1 city 1 town

[solid fable]

yes i know i just want to complain so we got more corkus content

[split night]

I would imagine they corkus build the biggest project of all of thier lives and that turn out to be a giant sky ship that inhabit the sky with mechanical things

[hybrid gazelle]

IF GAVIN FOUND CORKUS REBORN IT WILL BE THE END OF ALL OF USSSSSSSSSSSS

https://tenor.com/view/trunks-super-saiyan-android-if-they-set-that-android-free-it'll-be-the-end-of-all-of-us-gif-2328823252801726214

[slim belfry]

corkus reborn after gavel reborn 2

[split night]

this is like saying end update in minecraft

xd

[slim belfry]

wynn's end update is dern so

[gleaming apex]

Orphion didn't contact Bob because he knew Bob was too powerful and would accidentally destroy him along with the parasite in 1 low-power spell

[hybrid gazelle]

no becuase contacting Bob is require too much effort

by too much I mean he has to walk like 3 centimeter to get better service

[slim belfry]

stupid dog

[full harness]

What if Bob went to dern to seal the dern beast away, but then was like, yo this mfer kinda chill actually

[split night]

can you blame him
wifi in the realm of light is just really expensive

[full harness]

And teams up with bakal to throw down orphion

We will have our endless night finally

[slim belfry]

hmmm

[uneven basin]

Orphion light incarnate be like :
MY PULSE ! I NEED YOU MY PULSE

[gleaming apex]

No Bob went to Dern because he wanted a good fight, but got disappointed after he destroyed the dern beast and all the forces of darkness in one attack, so he's waiting for a worthy opponent(us)

[slim belfry]

I'd wanna join but dern beast thinks I'm weird

[hybrid gazelle]

FUCK WRONG FILE

Here

On topic of realm beasts

[split night]

Dernic Kitty

[hybrid gazelle]

that an owl

[split night]

Dernic owlly

[uneven basin]

Maybe orphion just loves murder that much

[split night]

I did draw the thing kissing orphion in my class in a notebook somewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

being a cat kinda hard becuasel ike

you get into problem of

deltarune friend(tm)

[slim belfry]

who kissing orphion

[slim belfry]

TRUE

[hybrid gazelle]

I think bird just work better

it's owl

with potoo jaw

[split night]

yeah i did thought of that xD

[uneven basin]

The beast of darkness being an owl just works really well

[split night]

I drew dern beast ( Trashie's design ) kissing orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

amazing

[split night]

Don't ask me how a beak to muzzle kiss work but i made it work

and it's in a notebook somewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

I really love to draw fruma queen

I love drawing fruma queen

the character ever

[slim belfry]

magic

[hybrid gazelle]

you will never know my obessession with fruma queen until you play fruma

That coming

probably no this march

probably early april

somethjing

[split night]

Her eyes color look really freedom
maybe she's truly free

[slim belfry]

I think everyone can't stop thinking of fruman queen

[split night]

freedom eyes

[slim belfry]

nonononononi idk f weed dreerr

[lavish knot]

I guess you can say she is a big sh

[hybrid gazelle]

oh in black and white I Just swap for black and blank color

[slim belfry]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I draw also a lot of OC

base on wynncraft

because

yeah

[lavish knot]

Actally random thought occured

[slim belfry]

hey trashie that reminds me

[split night]

I kinda want to draw OC that's basically just me but if i live in wynncrat and is that class

like Ari
archer Auree

[slim belfry]

I think I saw you ingame but what was your skin

[lavish knot]

Do you think corkus writing would be very close to Fruman writing?

[split night]

yeah probably? they are just Frumanese but outside of fruma and forgot their past

[hybrid gazelle]

unless Lexnt and other writers die from comically placed anvil from the sky

I think corkus writing woudl be good as fruma yeah

[slim belfry]

wait writing as in story or literal writing as in language of corkus

[lavish knot]

Language

[hybrid gazelle]

oh nvm

corkus writing would be like

[lavish knot]

Or just writen

[hybrid gazelle]

skibidi rizz ultra maxxing

[slim belfry]

[hybrid gazelle]

no cap

Efena goated with her presidency

[split night]

My fan-take of rewritting RoL is like turning Dullahan into The Roaring Knight from deltarune and have him appear much earlier in the story to swoop our ass and ran away

[slim belfry]

maybe what auree said

[hybrid gazelle]

Rensa lowkey kinda terrorist

on god

fr

but yeah this is how I imagine corkus language to be like

[split night]

I'm just gonna call their language Frumanese

[slim belfry]

looking back a bit

[slim belfry]

I have a similar thing going on except I'm sorta background character coded

(I'm mostly supporting other people)

I can't see myself as a main character

[split night]

Roleplaying is the best way to immerse in the story

[split night]

it's okay king, you made someone else day by solving the race war between two species of molten height

[solid fable]

Holy speak i come back to discord to see this that is my president bro

trashie post the guy saluting to efena image

[slim belfry]

the what now

[split night]

what

[slender copper]

The what image.

[solid fable]

@hybrid gazelle they putting me in the spot please help me

[slim belfry]

hi corr

[slender copper]

Hello 👋

[split night]

i've seen you somewhre

are you Asia proxy??

[slender copper]

...which one of us have you seen somewhere?

[slim belfry]

I play NA so can't be me

[split night]

cor

[hybrid gazelle]

I hope they publicly execute you

execution through stone tossing

[split night]

I felt like i did a raid with you somewhere]

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK where my efena sketch go

but I do have myu OC make out with the queen

[slim belfry]

also funny you mentioned this specifically because I made my self insert dogun-ish
literally had to change species to draw a line at immersion lol

[split night]

why...... did..... you.... change......?

[slender copper]

Well I'm usually in the NA servers (sometimes EU), but it is possible we have done a raid together without recognizing it.

[hybrid gazelle]

found it now

god my own artstyle

I will start drawing corkus again if they update that shit

in 8 years

[split night]

she look tired

[hybrid gazelle]

her entier character that we know rn is that

[slim belfry]

ok not really change I had my own skin and was already mineral humanoid anyway so I leaned into it for wynn 🤷

[hybrid gazelle]

she really really passionate about corkus

and that the only thing she care about

[split night]

Absolute fruma

I only have like, 2 depiction of myself as skin so i just took the one that look more like a blacksmith and roll with it

[slim belfry]

so

most corkians

if not all

[split night]

like some kind of queen

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I often forgot most of her character

but she is really morally gray character

I wonder how modern writing would do to her

[slim belfry]

oh right efena

she's the flippin president lol

also allowed maxie to help with ava

[split night]

so another queen
Fruman and ex-Fruman really like having a her majesty huh

[slim belfry]

smh all these people wanting someone to tell them what to do

I'm nobody's peon

[hybrid gazelle]

I would say she is differnt

but I cant say much rn

[split night]

@hybrid gazelle fanart

[hybrid gazelle]

amazing

this is like modern art I see in the museum

IDK wtf is this

but I knwo this is an art

[slender copper]

Feel like #your_work is where this belongs lol

[split night]

It isn't finished yet

i'm just drawing a funny wip and working on it further xd

[hybrid gazelle]

ALSO

I IMPLORE all of you

I mean

suggest

to get your fruman oc up for fruma update

this shit is awesome

it will feel very immersive if you play as the character

[slender copper]

Yeah- I so actually need to make a Wynncraft oc, currently just using my Artificer Warforged oc skin lol

[split night]

huh is this fitting
this is me

[slim belfry]

could make a character just for fruma

I'll convert a character I have elsewhere for wynn surely nothing will go wrong

[solid fable]

MY PRESIDENT

[slim belfry]

hmm I could still use my character I'd just need an extremely roundabout way to make it work

[slim belfry]

lol

I kinda get it

[rotund gust]

Is theorick (ice barrows) undead

i kinda always assumed he put himself in statis when corrupting, but im looking at the wiki and his title card is "Reanimated Son of Twain"

when does he die for him to be considered reanimated

[uneven basin]

Inside the portal maybe ?

[rotund gust]

wiki says he's not actually undead but doesn't seem to have a source for it

[split night]

give yourself a steampunk look

with a dogun head

[slim belfry]

smh I already have goggles like a corkian I dont need anymore

[clear scaffold]

nether portal corrupts but i believe you're still alive

basically corruption normally goes for the dead but the portal itself is a straight shot to corruption without the actual injury part

[rotund gust]

yeah but reanimated implies he was inanimate aka dead at one point

unless it’s just a poor choice of words

[full harness]

Maturing is realizing Orphion is a bastard too, just the losing bastard

[clear scaffold]

i assume poor choice of words

because yeah he never really died

[rotund gust]

unless he dies of old age at some point in ice barrows, but i kinda assumed the ice magic kept him in stasis

[earnest prairie]

he died to ravenous wolves

actually if you think about it. does wynn burn the bodies of the dead?

bc if the dead are brought back by corruption then wouldnt it be better to pull a death stranding and burn it before it comes back?

[rotund gust]

i mean, corruption is very associated with fir

fire

it probably wouldn't work

otherwise we wouldn't have bane of the great bridge. Rickeo self-immolated and still rose again

[earnest prairie]

i guess

[slender copper]

Isn't that Bob's false death? Theorick after getting corrupted conceals himself in the ice barrows dungeon. Unless he died to wolves 💀.

[uneven basin]

Yeah it's the coverup for him going to dern

[lavish knot]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Sealed_Letters

Its shown here

[regal walrus]

Yeah the Bob lore is completely messed up cuz it’s so old

It’s prob going to get reworked soon

But based off the newest information, he used the gateway island to go to Dern

[slender copper]

..I'm confused, scrolling through the conversation, it was regarding the Ice Barrows then Angel said "he died to ravenous wolves".

Was the conversation actually talking about our boy Robert or was it just brought up randomly since it also mentions the effects on Corruption.

[earnest prairie]

its obvious anyone over the age of 50 dies to ravenous wolves!!!

this is a universal rule everyone

[rotund gust]

does anyone know what antikytheras title subheading is? Like theorick is reanimated son of twain, slykaar is shaman of slime etc

eye is overseer of wynn

wiki doesn't have it and i don't wanna run fallen factory just to see it if i can help it

[exotic bough]

brain of the factory

[rotund gust]

bet

[exotic bough]

its on the wiki

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Bosses

in trivia

[rotund gust]

ah

all the other title cards are either in their dungeon page or character page

except hashr

[rotund gust]

that doesn't seem right

[exotic bough]

thanks for catching that

[clear scaffold]

it's very unclear if it worked or not though

as the eye knows about the route and seems to say we're not the first idiots to try that trick he's caught

[regal spire]

Charon: Reincarnated Zombie Assassin

[vital dagger]

unclear if he went to dern or just if he did it via gateway island?

[gleaming apex]

I mean from a storytelling perspective I feel it extremely likely he made it to Dern at the very least

[vital dagger]

yeah bc he never went back to the dragon

also it seems possible the eye was placed after bob went to dern

which is strange to consider bc of the supposed eye allegories for all of wynn history but it was only excised in like, the past 120 yrs at best

[clear scaffold]

The eye mentions someone else using the island before us

Bob is the only one who could of

And the eye apparently noticed the first time as well

[earnest prairie]

is qira hive and tower of ascension considered canon in anyway or are they just kinda meant to be "yeah here's a boss rush if u want one"

[hybrid gazelle]

they are canon

[dim plover]

There's lore yeah

For both, actually

[earnest prairie]

its kinda funny tho its called qira hive and yet the residents (minus villagers) are spiders and she is only humanoid

no funny little wings with her

[dim plover]

ToA connects to Death and possibly the cosmic storyline, and Hive is its own beast because its connections has a whole ton of stuff

[earnest prairie]

tho i wish that meant she also doesn't hit me like atruck 😭

[dim plover]

Wdym

[earnest prairie]

well i mean when u think hives usually people think of wasps and bees

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah because the spider on the ceiling in he arena is the original ownder

[dim plover]

those aren't the only things that make hives

[hybrid gazelle]

It's Qira's hive because it was a hive

[gloomy idol]

Toa connects to cosmic?

[dim plover]

The crystal

murals about it crashing down to Earth, looking at it makes you dizzy/ something else

[earnest prairie]

are the crystals and meteors alien stuff or that just cosmic horror being c osmic horror?

[dim plover]

I mean, anything that comes from space is technically alien

The cosmic storyline or storylines could come from literally anything related to space

The meteor brothers, Wybels, Wocs

They all have some form of plot telegraphed and could be explored in the future

[earnest prairie]

wait wybels are aliens?

[gloomy idol]

Ahh

[dim plover]

The UFO they came down from?

In Sky Islands

Also the Wybels on the moon

when we went to the Moon in Recipe for Disaster

[gloomy idol]

Yeah

[dim plover]

Also Orange Wybel has wacky alien tech

[earnest prairie]

i thought they were like cute little doggies we found :C

[dim plover]

We

sure did find them

you aren't wrong

[earnest prairie]

mb i meant like we found them in the wild or smt

[dim plover]

We technically did

[earnest prairie]

you know what i mean :C

[cerulean osprey]

what do wybels even eat

[dim plover]

Excellent question

[earnest prairie]

ice cream probably

[dim plover]

We know they drink water though

There's a water cooler in Orange Wybel's base

[earnest prairie]

petition for wynncraft to add an ice cream shop in deltas please! and it gives us slowness bc we get brain freeze 👍

[dim plover]

It has like a sign reminding Orange Wybel to get the Detlas Wybel to repair it or something

I can't remember

What's the name of the Detlas Wybel

[earnest prairie]

like kibble or smth

[dim plover]

Yeah that

But yeah the Wybels all know each other

I think the Orange Wybel pet does comment on one of the city Wybels when we enter said city

[gloomy idol]

Do wybels even need sustenance

[dim plover]

Anyways I still want to learn more about the meteor brothers

[earnest prairie]

the wybels are like how crows inherit generational hatred after u refuse to feed them

[gloomy idol]

Like im pretty sure it’s mentioned their fur just grows whenever and like the new wybel birthing thing is still really weird

[dim plover]

Their lore is piss old and I want some continuation

Like, where is Sohso

[earnest prairie]

i mean yahya got sort of changed

emphasis on the sort of

[gloomy idol]

If a bunch of fur clumps up a new wybel is born 💔

[dim plover]

Didn't all of them change

Minus Sohso

[earnest prairie]

i only have like one 105 acc and the rest are like 50 at most

and i hvaen't done any discoveries in like 3 yrs so idek anymore

[dim plover]

You should go to Wybel Island

Inside one of the holes there's a battery mob

[earnest prairie]

i just remember dullahan, RoL (specifically 1 and 4), and anything silent expanse related

[dim plover]

take the battery and bring it to an iron trapdoor on the ground on one of the tiny island fragments somewhere near the entrance (basically opposite of where the hole is that leads to the upper part of the island)

You'll thank me later

[earnest prairie]

ill try to remember that

after i finish my other games. i didn't by totk just to play wynncraft

tho it will be put on hold the second fruma comes out in like hopefully 4 days bc it said march. unless i missed smth and the release date is in april now

tasim will be put on fraud watch btw bc the trailer

[dim plover]

Wdym

(In case you haven't seen Fruma I won't spoil anything)

[earnest prairie]

i haven't seen anything

[dim plover]

But just want to see how you intepreted that trailer as

[uneven basin]

You missed something...

[earnest prairie]

i just expect him to do smth crazy based on the trailer

[earnest prairie]

oh boy what is the date now :C

[dim plover]

Yeah actually Tasim drops a nuke on Fruma in the first quest, the other 30+ quests in Fruma are just us walking around finding corpses and whatever

(Real trust me)

It's really good storytelling

[earnest prairie]

tasim walks up to the queen and says "im frumaning it" and frumas all over the place

Peak fiction

[dim plover]

No no no actually the Queen was Tasim all along

[uneven basin]

Early april but nothing clear

[dim plover]

Tasim just Doctor Who-regenerated into the Queen and then went back in time

Such a twist!!!

[earnest prairie]

pleaseeee tasim hit a jojo pose

PLEASEEEE

[dim plover]

What kind of pose would that be

[earnest prairie]

welp better than unfinished product

[earnest prairie]

ok i legit saw the pose today and broke out laughing

[uneven basin]

Yup we wouldn't want gavel again

[earnest prairie]

but the pose of Pucci in front of the shuttle

[dim plover]

I don't watch jojo do you have a picture

[dim plover]

Sure we do

[dim plover]

Square map, L-shaped Fruma on the left side

Way more space (same amount of content though)

(Why did you think mounts were updated? It was to compensate for the large empty area)

[earnest prairie]

it'd just be super funny to see tasim just suddenly hit this pose if he fought the queen lol

[dim plover]

Can Minecraft models even do that

[earnest prairie]

i hope that in the future wynncraft actually abandons the square spaced areas and starts going uneven

[earnest prairie]

no. but the models that they used for raids and world events sure can

[dim plover]

No the funnier thing would be to stick to the square map, which means that any map expansion they make in the future is forced to be exponential in size

[dim plover]

I can't wait to see all the first-time reactions to the Fruma quests on YouTube

There better be at least one by an actually long-time Wynncrafter who knows the lore

[earnest prairie]

Chegs will be there

in like 50 yrs. he's on a one piece type-journey rn

[quartz mist]

Nibbles

[dim plover]

thanks

oh hey you're back to Kit pfp

[quartz mist]

???

[dim plover]

bug moment

Discord wackiness

Ok I refreshed the page and it's fixed

All good

[earnest prairie]

why cant wybels be real

[dim plover]

https://c.tenor.com/HAIMOXjm-g4AAAAd/tenor.gif

[uneven basin]

Dern just does a huge circle around the provinces

[dim plover]

Omg Dern was on Earth all along?!?!

(The plot twist is that we finally open the Realm of Dern portal when we start the RoD questline and instead of it opening a vortex it instead just punches a massive hole through the mountain behind it, revealing that Dern was actually just in the Physical Plane all along and has circled the entire map)

[full harness]

Why can’t wyverns be real in game ✊🏻😩

[paper wyvern]

given that gavel exists it wouldnt be unreasonable that theres some dernic gavel thats more than just the silent expanse

although it might just be void given the state of path to darkness

[whole hollow]

Fruma vs Israel next update?!?

[earnest prairie]

wybel province when

[candid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-phone-speed-legendary-stream-speed-phone-gif-4108923420328591811

[tired fiber]

Wybel province is canonically just outer space

[earnest prairie]

space it is. planet wynncraft is a lot cause anyways.

i mean look at wynn

[violet anvil]

damn rodoroc becoming relevant again

[earnest prairie]

if only the colossus had legs if could have stopped the dogun genocide

[clear scaffold]

or just been even worse

[slim belfry]

the colossus taking a step only to shatter a huge portion of the canyon

[earnest prairie]

r/WynncraftPowerscaling

[split night]

Replaying RoL5 make me realise that when enlightened, Lari is pretty charming to work along side with

[earnest prairie]

we love lari

[hasty beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-gif-6869608978615405593

[earnest prairie]

just say u hate the elvesss

[neat merlin]

buncha leaf lovers

[earnest prairie]

woah woah woah

don't be rash

🖐️

[split night]

elfish

[jagged turret]

Why did Lari stop us from fighting Bak'al ?

We were strong enough to fight Orphion, the parasite and Lari so we should've been able to survive fighting Bak'al as well.

[clear scaffold]

That does take four of you remember

Also lari you do not win that fight. Its more canon she does nearly actually win had the tree not got involved

You're probably on lari level roughly the same time you reach the silent expanse

[hybrid gazelle]

also btw we did not fight Orphion

we just fight Parasite

the first half of the fight is us just try to shrug off parasite from Orphion

it not even a real fight

[clear scaffold]

We fought a puppeted orphion who was also trying to hit the parasite off himself

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari fight as well
it's a survive section

it just does not seems like it due to you can easily deal more damage due to Atree LOL

[clear scaffold]

Lari does nearly kill the player if I remember right

[hybrid gazelle]

yes she does

it just the gameplay wise, it did not really come off that well

espicalyl after 2.0

because you can easily exceed the damage require to end the fight

[clear scaffold]

Like the player could probably survive bakal. But they would need to be saved

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

so in summary

2 of the fight you mention is not even a fight

lol

[split night]

It's like, when the parasite overtaken one of the 4 player, that player aren't like play at their 100% skill power, it's just the parasite casting random spell so i imagine it's the same for Orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

probably??

that could work yeah

[clear scaffold]

(i still think rol 5 should of gone that route where bak'al tries to kill us to hurt lari)

Not because we're a threat just because "another one you couldn't save"

[split night]

It's just the parasite casting random spell from Orphion and it still take like 4 of us to beat him so

[clear scaffold]

And the parasite yeah was weaker than orphion but is still stronger than one player

[hybrid gazelle]

we are NOT using player as measurement

LOL

[clear scaffold]

I meant in lore

[hybrid gazelle]

EVEN IN LORE

it nto a good measurement

you will see why later

but it really is not fucking trust me

[split night]

You meant like, the character??
it's really varies between different playable character cuz like
some of them don't have a mythic and an optimal build that one shot orphion xd

[hybrid gazelle]

player power leveling is vague and depend on what the writers want to feel like at stake at that time

If you take player power as this unchanging numbers

you will be fucking mad at what happen in Fruma LOL

[split night]

Like that one quest where you literally died in a single hit to a monster and meet death

[jagged turret]

wait when the player dies against overtaken orphion doesn't he have to fight him alone to leave death's realm?

[split night]

??

[hybrid gazelle]

oh no that different because Krolton solo all

[clear scaffold]

No i mean just its weaker than lari but still stronger than a lot of other threats at that point

[hybrid gazelle]

God we need to fucking kill Beyond the grave

[clear scaffold]

Death is the only thing of beyond the grave I accept as canon

He exists but nothing else

[hybrid gazelle]

There was arabic saying

DELETE BEYOND THE GRAVE

[split night]

It's a weird quest
You die to a random ass monster in a single hit

[hybrid gazelle]

IT FINE

[split night]

like

[hybrid gazelle]

it just

[split night]

We beat overtaken Orphion at that point of the story

[hybrid gazelle]

the quest tell this information that literally should not be there because you get people asking like "do player have to go through this everytime??"

[split night]

how did we even die to a random ass monster

[clear scaffold]

I mean the player has severe head trauma

[hybrid gazelle]

also it just make the story have no stake with literal concept of deaht itself licking player toe

[split night]

Dying should has been just a gameplay mechanic and not a lore mechanic

it's weird

[clear scaffold]

I do love the nearly dead mechanic the eye uses in the voyage quest

[split night]

it's weird that it implies death either do this to every adventurers or he just simp for us

[clear scaffold]

Really shows the player just outright nearly got vaporised

[hybrid gazelle]

I see player as being skill and resourceful

and have the right tool in those situation

to overcome cahllenge at hand

so they are not THAT strong by any mean, it just situation is in favor of them

[clear scaffold]

Wonder what the player's head is made out of at this point

[hybrid gazelle]

to overcome that threat

[clear scaffold]

Because their head is apparently weaker than glass

[hybrid gazelle]

because if you were to take player strength as this static, all the time high

you will be mad whath appen in Fruma LOL

[split night]

they're literally just a human

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally just human

LOL

[clear scaffold]

Probably should stop spoiling trashie

[split night]

they're below villager in term of magic

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I am saying alright that maybe power scaling might not be the best thing

Power scaling is only good

in slandering

and agenda

that the only thing it good for

[split night]

We're only strong because we keep finding these random ass mythical weapon to use

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

any discussion of palyer strength get shut down by 4 fucking orcs

and Ardulf

[split night]

And i guess at higher level we mastered controlling magic but that kinda end here

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH the game also does not really protray well of why player good at what they do so only reference player get is themselves

whichi is fine

but it jmust spark these strange discussion on player being this

OVERPOWER and ON STERIOUD GOD WARRIOR

when in reality they geto ne shot by one guy at the back

[split night]

Player is also an entity that can hallucinate the past when they're near a historical site

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

but too be fair writers just want easier time to tell flashback

[jagged turret]

they also got eaten by that one gert

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

[split night]

I just imagine we're god but like, we reduce ourselves to a shell we call human and control it, like playing a game (in universe)

[hybrid gazelle]

it wayy more enaging if you view player character as resourecful, skilled, and all kind of those things

rather than being outright strong

cause how would that work like

mf is a superman I guess???

Unless we got shit like Haki from one piece

I dont think wynncraft will work like that

[split night]

I think that's a fair way to view them
They're like, really good at dealing with stressful situation, like really REALLY good

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

it just make situation like ardulf and 4 orcs to be less plot holes

and more like thing just happen cause players were not being cautios

also tbh trying to measure power leveling in something resemble static numbers will always meet with failure

[split night]

I mean, I only imagine we're strong but as in the capability to use the actual strong weapon itself

like

[hybrid gazelle]

cause that like saying a man is stronger than elephant because they hunt the elpehant with a hunt

Like sure man with a GUN can be stronger than elephant

there like a lot of factor that playing into this

[split night]

some of them take strenghts and skills at the human limit to use

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[split night]

and whatever Freedom's item lore is

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I would not trust items lore that much

unless it post lootrun

just to be safe

but you can easily warp some items lore to fit modern canon

[split night]

I mean trust it or not, it's heavily implies that the equipment we're using also transform us in some shape or form

Honestly

I think the most accurate strenght of the player is that the Player is as strong as Batman

they can breath on the moon as well

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah literally LOL

it just batman bullshit

player can beat anything as long as they have prep time

Batman is probaly the best comparison to make when it come to "NORMAL" man that beat threat out of his scale

[split night]

judging by the amount of time i spend on making a good build

yes this is accurate

[hybrid gazelle]

there also gordon freeman

I think there more

[split night]

I think we're just Batman with prep time 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

but player fit better into archetype of normal human that skill and resourceful enough to deal with threats at hand and survive

but again

this depend on one intereptation of palyer character

cause like

people out there proably interprept them as super soldier mf

which is like fine

I just find it odd

but it's fine

some people probably really need power fantasy to get through something

[split night]

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I would say I would judge them for it but i will

[split night]

I think we're just strong after each encounter with being stronger than us
sorta like, we gain more experience as time go on and the more quest we've done

The player's strenght and skills probably peaked at the moment they defeated Overtaken Orphion and the Parasite

[gleaming apex]

I'm pretty sure NoL is the one raid we canonically do alone. Like every other raid makes sense fighting with teammates, but NoL doesn't make sense fighting with others.

Because we had to do the whole song and dance to even be let into the RoL in the first place

And at the end, Orphion talks to us and refers to just us, not a team

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I rather think NOL is palyer doing alone cause like

the idea of player go back out of NoL and get some random ass people is definitely

is definitely something 😭

like ah yes some local crackhead would 100% agree to join fight against god's parasite

[split night]

gaming

[hybrid gazelle]

I just think it make chain of event look very silly for player ot go out of ROL

go whatever

find some mercs to join

that btw WILLING TO DO THIS SHIT

go back to ROL

and nexus stuff

it just weird story wise even if it make sense

it just make pacing just weird when you could just make

player get into the goddamn nexus

ESPICALLY when this treat as something urgent

[split night]

I guess it's canon that player's human capability peaked when they solo Overtaken Orphion then

[hybrid gazelle]

liekly player were put into the best of their best in that event

[split night]

It make me kinda question whether or not we're stronger than bob at this point in the story

like
bob is a jack of all trades kind of person while we are master of one

[hybrid gazelle]

well Bob single handedly handle annie

and annie is probabl by far more direct threat compare to Parasite

becuase at least you can say that Parasite is more designed to drain Orphion than direct combat

while annie is literally destruction incarnate

[split night]

huh then that's depend on the us controlling the player then
some people can solo annie so

[hybrid gazelle]

in ARG

it outright comfirm that player do not solo annie

it's with millitary help as well

[split night]

huh

[hybrid gazelle]

so we do have conrete evidence of player not soloing annie

[split night]

then that put Bob above us in term of skills and strenght

[split night]

Don't spoil me too much but
does the fact that the Player have a hole in their memory explained in fruma update?

The fact that we're so hollow as a person that 2 soul manipulator couldn't control us

[whole river]

Is it though

I do think bob is stronger than us but I don’t think anni is stronger than the parasite in term of feats anyway

[uneven basin]

It took either bob or the entire might if the Wynn province to merely push back anni while 4 decked out guys can give orphion his lil anti parasitic treatment

Ig the parasite managed to actually do stuff but if Annie were to get out she would have the potential to destroy at least the whole province

[hybrid gazelle]

We dont really have canon info that 4 player was involve

[lavish knot]

The thing about nol is that you need to be given access to go into the realm of light

[jagged turret]

I think I have a theory that makes beyond the grave work
Beings from outside the planet and the realm of influence and artificial beings don't have the respawning option that death offers.

[uneven basin]

Lari says "I know you'll find people.." but I see your point, that would just make the parasite's scaling lower anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

the propbkem with this line for me that it just feel so gameplay obligated and later raid dont really do this I THINK

[full harness]

I have 3 alts raid queue with me so I can say I soloed each raid boss and world event canonically

[hybrid gazelle]

also itj ust odd from story wise to just have

player leaving ROL to find rando mass merc

consider how everything just feel so urgent

[full harness]

Also @hybrid gazelle what’s an ARG

Is that the mini hunt they did a few months ago

[uneven basin]

I mean imo nol should've been a dungeon partly for this reason

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[full harness]

What did it say about bob or annie

[hybrid gazelle]

iut did not say about bob

it just say that Annie was taken down by both millitary help and fruma recruits

possibly include the player

so player did not solo it

so just the players(fruman recruits) do it

[full harness]

^ where is this stated

[hybrid gazelle]

Admiral Aegis

[full harness]

Fr? In a quest or?

[full harness]

Damn ok yeah

Then bob is definitely endgame

Bro is chillin in dern waiting for us 100%

[hybrid gazelle]

it is what it is, they probalbyj ust want raid for NoL ever since the first iteration

I THINK

[full harness]

I would be so disappointed ngl if bob is dead somewhere in dern

I wanna meet him after what will be like a 20 year wait (since the game started)

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob likely a cruical character in Dern story but who know

[full harness]

He’s the most hyped character that we’ve never met

[jagged turret]

is bob bald?

[lavish knot]

Bob be the cool mentor guy

[jagged turret]

i feel like he would be bald

[hybrid gazelle]

no bob is not bald

[full harness]

Bob is big

[hybrid gazelle]

he has hair

[full harness]

Bob canonically got fat after slaying the dern beast and eating it, becoming the new dern beast

[whole river]

Gun to your head name any anni feat

That isn’t losing to an army of fodder, and losing to bob, and losing to the player + fodder

Parasite at least boxed orphion

[full harness]

Lowkey though us having an army with us isn’t that much of an antifeat when you consider the gap in power between level brackets

Like so what if we had 1000 level 10 detlas soldiers

[whole river]

We’ll never know

Bakal one shot an admiral in AHC so I assume detlas army is just mega fodder

[hybrid gazelle]

orr

maybe level is not canonical power level

[full harness]

I understand it’s a gameplay mechanic but^

There are clear differences in power in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

oh actually that scene was made before admiral aegis become a character

LOL

there is actually aegis first apperance

[full harness]

And the kind of enemies we fought would 100% one shot detlas soldiers

[whole river]

It’s kinda funny that Bakal wipes detlas but still lost to the corrupter of worlds

[hybrid gazelle]

there is but it not numerical base

Those detlas soldiers are people who been fighting in this corruption war for lon time

they are not just fodders even if they are generic

This

This is lore discussion

[full harness]

Mb

[hybrid gazelle]

jesus ma

[full harness]

😭😭😭😭

[whole river]

I don’t think there’s 100000 detlas soldiers even

[full harness]

Ok Trashie

[whole river]

These are European type armies it’s probably closer to the hundreds and thousands

[hybrid gazelle]

Ofc there are clear differnet power level when it come to what average man can handle

[full harness]

Who wins, 100,000 detlas soldiers or orphion with parasite?

Now remember we did it with 1-4 people

So what does saying we had detlas’s army with us to fight annie take away

[hybrid gazelle]

you trying to apply logical power scaling when the story literally give player plot armor

this shit is not math

[whole river]

Parasite is underrated I still don’t know how the player won at that point in time

[hybrid gazelle]

it can be luck, skill, resourceful, or situation given at that time

but average soldiers would have 0 fucking idea what Orphion is

or what Parasite is

they would not aware that they suppose to help Orphion shrug off the parasites

and even then these are just normal men

ofc like I about to say

there are different scale of power

similar to warhammer fantasy where empire of man soldiers would not be dealing with like

[full harness]

I’m not using 100,000 as a mathematical answer, I am just demonstrating the fact that I don’t think any number of detlas soldiers would matter against larger threats like annie

[hybrid gazelle]

literal army of blood thirster

it would matter?

There are different scale of problem here

Annie is actual threat that entire army like Ragni, Detlas, Almuj, and more can mobilize and fight

this is not rock paper and scissor

there are more thing need to consider

such as when Admiral Aegis describe how annie fight gone

it imply they have artillery set up

and they have enough supplies and ammunition for the fight

because these detlas soldiers

are not just them

there are artillery, golems, and more

that the entire fucking point of infantry men

they are there so they hold the line

there is stragedy you need consider

ofc if you just fucking put detlas soldiers as they are
they all fucking die becuase that not what they meant to do

that shit is saying like
"oh guardmen are weak because they cant indivudally kill chaos marine"

which is such stupid take

army is an army
it not just infantry men

the army are like hammer, you send them to deal with general problem or big threat like Annie

while someone like players are like scapel, you send them to deal with problem that need precision

[full harness]

My point isn’t that there’s no reason to have guards or soldiers, but that annie is so far beyond what they can handle in a fight. Pretty much any number of Detlas soldiers being there makes no difference.

But that doesn’t mean having guards make no sense. As you said there are different uses for having general guards (to protect cities from weaker to moderate strength corrupteds while the more powerful characters are out and about since they aren’t omnipresent) vs a single powerful individual like the player, or Theorick, or Bob (to deal with powerful enemies that no reasonable amount of general soldiers could overcome)

[hybrid gazelle]

It literally is????

[whole river]

Ok the detlas army was NOT useless in the anni fight

[full harness]

Trashie typing before he could even read my message

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah becuase I take second to read it and it already ridiculous like

annie is a big goddam threat that require army to handle

[whole river]

Wynn is regarded as a land with tons of strong ass people from the corruption wars

[full harness]

^ apparently not

[hybrid gazelle]

YES

THANKS YOU

dude wtf

wthat happen to all those message

[whole river]

This is mentioned so many times I don’t even know where to begin. Like every gavel quest is them glazing humans

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

okay srly is all message just gone hello

[full harness]

Trashie: “annie is a big goddam threat that require army to handle”, also Trashie (quote explaining a time a single person fought back Annie solo canonically):

[hybrid gazelle]

also if you were saying that Annie is a threat that army cant handle

then why is this exist

why is admiral aegis talk about army of ALmuj, Detlas, Ragni, Nemract, and Troms work together to fight Annie

and also it's Bob

like it's goddam Bob

he can do anything, he is exception

Bob is shown to be powerful enough to deal with many threats

but generally annie is something that army would handle without Bob around to help

annie is simply a threat that the army can mobilize and coordinate to fight against because there also presence of devils

and also it just fucking massive enough to do it, it like fighting fucking Godzilla

like IDK how you expect army to mobilize into the Nexus to fight Parasite on Orphion

but like sure if Parasite on Orphion in the open, they probably can launch barrage of artillery to deal with it

when in doubt

artillery it until it fucking die

[whole river]

Honestly I think Orphion sun kinda cooks the army because unlike anni’s ultimate move they can’t just DPS it (/s but also I do think the sun move does a fuck ton to an army)

[hybrid gazelle]

to be fair according to admiral aegis story

the sun is not something they can dps

they geniunely have to hide behind cover fo rthat

[whole river]

Doesn’t it go through walls or are we considering that gameplay only

[hybrid gazelle]

gameplay only ofc

cause IDK how do you uhh

hit the sun

[whole river]

Darn my agenda

Although now I’m upscaling Wynn’s structures if they can somehow hide behind it to defend literal sun rays without melting

[hybrid gazelle]

it either they build barricade

or they just use natural cover

[uneven basin]

Corruption spikes strong af

[hybrid gazelle]

I think enviroment cover probably best option

that too

that could work

[full harness]

“Armies from each corner of the province” “So many lives…burned to ash” “we didn’t kill it, I’m not sure that WE could”

You’re giving me examples of multiple armies being burned to ash, just to push Annie back through the portal, while Bob did it solo, probably unscathed.

This just goes to show the power gap between general soldiers and powerful heros. If it takes multiple armies to push back one strong entity without killing it vs one strong hero to do the same without dying, I’m not sure you’re disproving my point.

My point being that the soldiers serve a purpose to defend while stronger heros are away, but that it takes an absurd, impractical amount of soldiers to handle a threat that just 1-4 strong heros can defeat. I’m not even sure how you’re disagreeing with my point?

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

since when did Bob killed Annie

it was held back

[full harness]

I didn’t say he died?

Can you read

“You’re giving me examples of multiple armies being burned to ash, just to push Annie back through the portal, while Bob did it solo, probably unscathed.“

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah then I misread on that one

[gleaming apex]

My disagreement is that Bob is basically the most powerful being in the setting outside of like the Realm beasts, and I don't think the power gap between high level army members and most heroes is that big

[hybrid gazelle]

This LOL

also it not like these heros are always avaliable all the time

you cant expect to have another Bob in the horizon

or they even avaliable all the time

[full harness]

That’s why I said they have a purpose to defend, but it takes an impractical amount of soldiers to go out and fight the bigger threats

[hybrid gazelle]

what kind of bigger threat tho

cause annie clearly still needed army according to the ARG

if parasite yeah sure, players is needed

not ecause they are weak

but because you literally cant mobilize entire ass army into RoL

but like if parasite out in the open
yeah free game

[gleaming apex]

Like in Anni, I'm sure they're like shooting it with arrows and siege weapons, not fighting it 1 on 1, I agree that's for a strong individual, but I'm sure they're doing damage just not directly facing it

[hybrid gazelle]

yep

when in doubt

artillery the shit out of it

if you cant then IDK man we kinda fucked

send the special person

[gleaming apex]

Like yeah the army might not be as strong as a hero, but they're not completely ineffective when it comes to fighting big threats

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and also it literally that they will always avaliable

and also like it just able to cover more

Hero might be able to solo everything but there also thing to consider like time and damage control

[full harness]

My entire argument was just specifically talking about the outlier enemies like the realm beasts, parasite, annie, etc. and talking about the difference between the outlier heros and the average soldier (theorick, bob, tasim, the player, qira, etc)

[hybrid gazelle]

because like

[full harness]

I’m not saying for the average strong enemy they couldn’t overwhelm it

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah sure someone like player can probably take out horde of enemies

[full harness]

But they literally said multiple armies couldn’t kill annie

Where as 1 strong hero achieved the same thing as multiple armies

[hybrid gazelle]

but then you get to problem that they might not be in time to evacuate or defend citizens enough

or there could be territory loss due to important structure

so yeah army still pretty damn useful if you want more control over battle field compare to one single guy

or like

less than 2 digit numer

[gleaming apex]

Maybe, but Bob is literally like second or third strongest character in the universe as far as we currently know, so I don't really count that against them

[lavish knot]

Also sometimes you have to do something over and over again just for it to work, like it takes multiple armies to push back anni

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah like

having another bob is not plausible anymore man unless you like

okay

if we do have another Bob

we can talk about this later

but rn we dont

so yeah

[shut hornet]

in gameplay you cannot take cover from its explosion but it shoots a beam while alive that you are meant to take cover from

[gleaming apex]

I think the effective power of an army and a regular hero isn't that different, and that they might be more effective against most threats unless the hero is a freak of nature like Bob or us

[hybrid gazelle]

amazing

[hybrid gazelle]

Even then we are nothing compare to Bob LOL

[gleaming apex]

Exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob feat just by far exceed us even if we got everything

[whole river]

Rip detlas army

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob is just a high peak

that you cant really expect another one like him to be born

like bro is half human and half olm

like

you cant get that anymore

[gleaming apex]

Bob is so far on the end of the powerscale that comparing anyone or anything to him is almost meaningless.

[full harness]

And I was also talking about armies struggling with raid bosses when canonically we beat them in groups of 1-4 players or characters. Let’s say Bob is the only person who could canonically take down Annie solo (that isn’t a powerful entity), do you not think that Us+Lari+Tasim could 3 man Annie to the same effect of Bob soloing?

[hybrid gazelle]

If it play that much to Bob being that powerful

[gleaming apex]

Maybe not

[hybrid gazelle]

hmmm depend

[whole river]

We had a potential-level second Bob in lari (ROL5 ofc) and they sent her to the 2036 update 💔

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont have extact clear description of Lari' spower

so we dont really know

and Tasim is hmmmmmmmm

hmmmm

at what he is rn

[full harness]

I’m not even trying to powerscale in any definitive way, just saying there is a clear gap in power between strong heros and average soldiers, to where the world destroying entities require strong heros, not just armies of fodder

[hybrid gazelle]

IDk man he been off to gavel

[whole river]

She smacked up Bakal which is the rite of passage for any potential bob level

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah she is poewrful but like

[full harness]

Bakal

[hybrid gazelle]

you know we kinda dont have good escription of her power

and how she would play out in Annie combat

[split night]

I mean we did fought Lari
canonically she almost killed us even though in game play we can overpower her

[whole river]

We have to glaze him a bit at least

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess she can jam massive fucking sword into annie's head

[full harness]

Bakal only been shown losing to anyone who isn’t a detlas or ragni soldier

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that could dela good bit of damage

if Annie have a brain that is

[whole river]

Yeah but narrative wise he can’t be too weak

[gleaming apex]

And I disagree, I think an army can be an effective stand-in for like 1 strong hero

[whole river]

He at least considers ROL5 player fodder and lari say you couldn’t touch him

[full harness]

They need to show us a cutscene of bakal smacking down someone strong so we can believe, show don’t tell

[whole river]

So Bakal isn’t too weak since that player beat parasite

[split night]

I mean all we see him doing was commanding army to kill average people

the 2 times where the grounds were almost even, he ran, 2 times

[whole river]

He ran against top tier threats though

[vital dagger]

i believe after bob disappeared a few wynn armies of fodder did beat annihilation on their own as well

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh this is like a lot of what if talk about even us need army to take down annie in ARG

and Tasim likely on par with our level

Lari is like

yeah she is there

[split night]

Yeah I do agree that Bob is genuinely going to obliterate Bakal if he didn't ran

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

but I dont think all three combined could handled Annie

and Annie probably need solution like uhh

Artillery barrage

more artillery barrage

like if we cant match Bob
No way in hell Tasi mis near Bob level

I think Bob level of power is just FAR FAR exceed us

[whole river]

Bakal is smart tbf if all I had to do was run away from two people I’m good with that

[shut hornet]

idk man that farmer he took down was pretty powerful

[whole river]

LMFAO

[vital dagger]

if and when but never is

[split night]

His astral projection or whatever it is in the tomb that fought us put up a pretty good fight

[hybrid gazelle]

Using Bob as frame of reference is difficult

because the dude just

so fucking powerful

[whole river]

Save me Dern portal Lari just learned how to stop holding back!1!1!!1!1!1

[split night]

I can't imagine fighting him for real is gonna be really tough

[gleaming apex]

I think the entire army is at least on the level of power as like 1 strong hero

[split night]

He spent at least 40 years mastering 4 type of weapon after all

[shut hornet]

the one time he is allowed to do something kind of impressive is the time he instakills admiral aegis

you get nothing else

sorry

[hybrid gazelle]

aAND THAT IN WHAT IF BTW

LAMOOOOOOO

BOB ONLY IMPRESSIVE FEAT IS LITERALLY JUST IN WHAT IF

SON 😭

[shut hornet]

bob

[gleaming apex]

Typo

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

Bka'al

FUCKKK