📚lore_discussion

[gleaming apex]

He's fine, he's just an old man

[split night]

He is a time mage

and immortal, kind of

[full harness]

Old man martyn is dern beast

[hybrid gazelle]

I rather not touch anything

[cursive knot]

the fire crystal being in the ocean doesn't make much sense relative to the others' locations, Mt Wynn would make more sense considering it already has some sort of magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Old man martyr probably get recontextualize late r

[gleaming apex]

Yeah but like he's just chilling in Time Valley, and it's not like Time Valley has affected anything for a longgg time

[split night]

Dern beast with time ability is just too much 😭

[full harness]

He’s just that good

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah this rewrite of Wynnex just make it the first instance of player gojng against Dern forces

And this action would caught player’s attention from the eye

[uneven basin]

It makes more sense than cosmic magic

[split night]

It's weird that from what we've seen in the secret discovery and SE, everything dern sent out were Eyes to watch what's happening to the outside world

She evem said she's watching Orphion as well

[split night]

rewrite Drale and the Woc

[gleaming apex]

My idea that was very similar to yours is that the Olm used the crystals to escape, so the Dern Beast corrupted them in their hiding places so that the next time they were used the user would fall to darkness

[uneven basin]

Also where'd they say that wartorn palace took a year and a half to make ? I'm interested in Wynn's development timelines

[hybrid gazelle]

also just wanna say this is my take on DB design

[hybrid gazelle]

In spoiler chat but I can ask them here

If they ever appear here

[split night]

Catgirl Dern Beast

[gleaming apex]

Doesn't Dern Beast have scales and hands as of now

[split night]

I actually like the parallel to Orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

No because that a Minecraft block

Cant really say scale

[earnest prairie]

my beast of darknwss cant be this cute

[gleaming apex]

Maybe not scales but don't they have hands?

[hybrid gazelle]

It has hands

[split night]

Now i want this design of DB and Orphion kissing

[hybrid gazelle]

It just a silhouette

You can even see the legs

[earnest prairie]

they were more like arms with nails. the discovery hasnt been updated to fit a custom 3d model for proper presentation

but i doubt they’d do that because they wanna keep the real one a surprise

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah back to rol talk

I kinda want spawns proper introduce to be in rol 1

Something along the line of when you get eaten by grootslang

You would have moment of “yoh are not alone in here”

And just see the spawns crawling around the inside of grootslang

Until lari help you out

I think that would be good way to introduce the parasite spawns

As extension of the parasite presence

[uneven basin]

Would be cool to see them act like actual parasites

[slender copper]

"I gave myself a lobotomy to see into the stary past" - The player, probably.

[hybrid gazelle]

One of my idea that in Taproot

The entire Taproot get destroy by the spawns by the end of the quest

So now there is agency and it feel like the parasite is step ahead of you

Cutting the contact point for the Light

Honestly I want the taproot to start with player assisting Lari to dealing with parasites

Which would be your conflict between yoh and Lari

And you prefer killing them while Lari want to keep them

But you would play by Lari’s method for now as her reasoning is reasonable aka use them for research

Until player encounter wildlife thst seemingly threatening the town people only to reveal the source of its madness is the spawns which cause its death to be preventable if player is more knowledgeable but yeah

I just really want conflict between player and Lari

[regal spire]

Anyone have any ideas on if the creature mentioned in Hadal’s lore has anything more in game potentially referencing it

There are tons of ocean cults, and I feel like the tons of lil abandoned camps around the coasts and islands might have something to do with this beast

[earnest prairie]

i can see it. i think the ocean does deserve to have its own story outside of major places lore related or populated like Dead Island, Ice Nations, and Selchar

Wynncraft’s ocean lore doesn’t really go far beyond corruption or ice nations. I dont count Corkus since i recognize their sovereignty.

ok i forgot about Galleon’s Graveyard but redbeard isnt really a ocean threat much more than living pirates

but im getting off track. the beast probably doesnt exist and the description was made to give “this is a mythic weapon” feel.

still. i can see a kraken or sea serpent in the future if they wanted to touch on it

[foggy crystal]

can someone explain to me whats the lore with the corrupted dungeons?

like are they an AU or the Future?

[slim belfry]

I believe either future what if scenarios or future alternate timeline

they're entirely separate from the main continuity though that's for sure

[earnest prairie]

im looking at the wiki for this and they are basically alt-universes where corruption ran rampant due to rune experimentation. tho this is the fandom wiki so the info may be fan-edited or outdated

[foggy crystal]

ohhhhhh........

I see I see

I thought it was part of the main tl

I was so confused XD

[earnest prairie]

yeah. i believe the dialogue though is still the same

as the originals

but with “glitched” text here and there

[foggy crystal]

same for the most part, sure

[uneven basin]

The dialogue is actually AU dialogue where the boss talks about how corruption has taken over the world

[split night]

i kinda like that a hunter calling basically either confirm that there are multiple timeline to the wynniverse
or dernic creature just gave us the ultimate drug

[earnest prairie]

“…you take drugs, to what end…?”

[rotund galleon]

ahc isnt canon i think

[uneven basin]

it's canon that you go to places to get visions

now what exactly are these visions is another matter

[rotund galleon]

i mean there are timelines

thats confirmed by martyn

[split night]

i... think everyone knows??
the creature even mention it

xd

i think the gods in this game probably have foresight, they just find it hard to influence fate to their favor and have to rely on luck most of the time

[dim plover]

Wait show me Hadal’s lore

I can probably integrate it into my WynnEx rework and make it tie to Renkka somehow

[uneven basin]

Carved from unknown parts of a sea creature unseen, the goliath scales of this effigy of the deep bring forth...a pull. A weight, a pressure. A terrible, crushing depth brought onto the holder, blanketing them like nostalgia. Their owner watches, part of itself acutely aware of its missing pieces.

from the .gg wiki

[dim plover]

Wait what does that lore mean

Is the sea creature the owner of the Relik

[slim belfry]

seems like it

[hybrid gazelle]

it's a part of it

so kinda yeah

[true gate]

could a 12 bajillion hour "all of wynncraft lore" video even work or are all of the storylines not really that connected and theres still a lot of holes of info?

like i looked at the timeline wiki page

[hybrid gazelle]

It can work

[true gate]

and there's just a bunch of things that we just don't know

[hybrid gazelle]

you just need to leave a lot of the detail out

I did with my lore summary

which btw

no longer fucking work

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/summary-of-wynncraft-lore.323434/

here my attempt of explainning wynncraft lore in digestible manner

it IS possible

if shit like warhamemr 40K is possible to explain

so as Wynncraft

it just some part has to be left out

importantly Wynnex stuff

[slim belfry]

warhammer 40k...

[true gate]

what do you mean does not work

like is it not up to date anymore?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

Fruma lore dump is crazy

[true gate]

ah

[hybrid gazelle]

it actually invalid a lot of point in the lore summary

to the point this pretty muhc

this pretty much just outdated in everyway possible

[slim belfry]

yeah even fruma itself leaves details out due to being the standard for new lore

[true gate]

hmmm

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma halso have recontextualize many lore details

by A LOT

it's absolutely massive lore drop

that I will begin working on summary for hte lore

after like

many months after fruma release

because I dont want to spoil people of the story

actually I kinda

honestly now I kinda against making lore summary

Fruma has similar effect to FNAF 3

where I feel like its entire story would be lessen if its plot point become publick knowledge

so I am very against the idea of lore summary when Fruma come out

maybe I will try to find a way

[slim belfry]

the current issue with wiki articles lol

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah no I hope the wiki article wont spoil the absolute shit about Fruma

[slim belfry]

I think the extra spoilery stuff is gonna be delegated to their own small corresponding sections

but a new issue that came up is what to do with character bios

specifically yknow

everything

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like there definitely a way to summary non spoiler info as like

cahracter first impression

while the spoiler one is after the story reveal everything

[slim belfry]

yeah true

there are also click to show spoilers

poor people clicking status though out of curiosity

[barren minnow]

Nicely written 👌

[earnest prairie]

yknow what would be cool? a wynncraft history book. that’d give loreheads a field day

[digital swan]

what will the US do if Wynn or Gavel discovers oil under their territory

[gloomy idol]

Sharpshooter carpetbomb takes a minute to charge while the usa can deploy hundreds of bombers fast af

[digital swan]

seeing how bellicose the US is
is this supposed to indicate that the Realm of War is the US? and if we dump all the oil we can find into the corruption portal will they go away

[earnest prairie]

oh silly. everyone knows that sharpshooters are the navy. its the trappers that will carpet bomb

[gloomy idol]

Wait lmao I mistyped

[earnest prairie]

just remember class, this will be on the quiz

[neat merlin]

Don't we already have unlimited oil from the very high reproductive rate fish

[earnest prairie]

imagine a province in the modern era? that would be smth to marvel at

Corkus would have a run for its money lol

[lavish knot]

Dern takes place in the modern era fr

[uneven basin]

That's Fruma lol

[dim plover]

I guess Fruma is like just a hundred or so years shy?

Idk what era it is exactly but it’s pretty damn close

[slim belfry]

late 1800s might be fairly close

given the overall setting

[neat oriole]

industrial revolution and muskets (i think)

fruma going through the anathema restoration

[hybrid gazelle]

this is crazy consider literally one of the teasr feature a gatling gun and shotgun

and another feature a sniper rifle

[slim belfry]

yeah was thinking late 1800s is bare minimum

[neat oriole]

like the archer sniper rifle

[hybrid gazelle]

no trust me

||it's titanium rifle||

[slim belfry]

I think approx. max equivalent would be mid 1900s

[neat oriole]

idk what dat is

[uneven basin]

they have modern chainsaws

[slim belfry]

weapon you can get from a cave

[neat oriole]

that is true

[neat oriole]

ooo ic ic

[hybrid gazelle]

man that such a nice chainsaw, man

[slim belfry]

I think it's ultimately difficult to determine a real life equivalent anyway

world has its own rules and events

[uneven basin]

Fruma secretly part 3 confirmed

[uneven basin]

definitely plus we have no example of an isolationist nation being the more advanced one

[viral cedar]

In Aldorei's secret part I, if we choose to let him go, how did it resolve the situation exactly?

[earnest prairie]

the closest is probably China honestly for a rea life equivalent. only nation i can think of that went isolationist like fruma is

[earnest prairie]

“Teyvat has its own ‘laws’.”

tho if we cant get a modern province bc we wanna keep the narrative setting, i’d love to see an Asian-architecture filled province. first thing that comes to mind is yin n’ yang as a basis. could be interesting seeing dern and light co-exist and not clash to make corruption

tho i can’t imagine what race you could come up with for that. i feel like it’d sully fruma and wynn’s lore a but if there were also humans there

[hybrid gazelle]

this was a test to see how certain DOG could be implement in AJB

probably not final cause I dont think it's reflect the character eonugh

[lavish knot]

👀

[split night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177471792579887114/1195250962701500466/attachment.gif

This torment... to what end?
The torment of waiting is a poison. You slowly wither away as it eat the inside of you hollow.
How much longer now... my fruma?

[full harness]

Surely they meet the deadline that Salted set this time? In the next 7 days right?

[uneven basin]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-calamity-infernum-devourer-of-gods-gif-4865767809351425630

hey TNA isn't actively malicious right? The wiki says its arena features "I WANT OUT", "IT'S HERE", and "OUT LIE IN" in wynnic inside the arena

like kinda seems like its destruction is accidental

[primal anchor]

greg just exists

[digital swan]

fruma has minimal trade with certain other more advanced countries to the west

so most other countries have 20th-21st century tech

[uneven basin]

Is this actual fruma lore ???

[digital swan]

thanks to isolationism fruma is the fuckin swordsmen watching the americans roll in with warship

[uneven basin]

Wynn is just Uber backwater ????

[vestal rivet]

I think that Fruma is actually more advanced that most of the other provinces due to the limits on magic and the fact they weren't constantly beaten down by war, instead preparing for and supporting a war elsewhere
the lack of magic lead to more modern tech being developed to replace it, which is why we see more firearms as well as things like chainsaws

[digital swan]

Wynn is like a random ass country fighting a civil war in bumfuck nowhere

Fruma has more pressing concerns. even tho they want to colonize it

as one does

[uneven basin]

It's so weird like, in-game you spend 100 levels going on fantasy adventures to stumble upon like, 20-21th century america

[vestal rivet]

Corkus is also a thing

and firearms exist in Rymek as well

in canon, firearms are specifically anti-human weapons that don't do well against hordes of undead but kill other sapients real good

if anything
Gavel is the least technologically advanced province lol

what they get for relying on magic more than any other province

[digital swan]

then in the next update!!!! one of the advanced countries in the west invades Fruma with combined arms tactics to force it to un-isolation-ify it ! you have to fight level 500 bloomi marines and then the final boss is a level 1000 bloomi SEAL, all with modern automatic firearms

[uneven basin]

Corkus is steampunk there's a fantasy spin to it so it feels less jarring

[vestal rivet]

we see a gatling gun in one of the teaser shorts
we are already dealign with automatic fire in fruma lol

and no I'm not talking about the hwacha

[digital swan]

yeah but that's a gatling gun

bloomi rolls in with Kalashnikovs

and artillery

and more powerful machine guns

[uneven basin]

Wynncraft level 1 : go kill the zombie horde with your spear
Wynncraft level 115 : the actual gulf war

[digital swan]

nah it's gonna be

level 1 - zombie horde

level like 50 - actually dangerous animals

level 115 - Napoleonic Wars

level 150 - Siege of Sevastopol

level 250 - Gulf War

level 500 - Russia-Ukraine on the Ukranian side

(level 300 is Russia-Ukraine on the russian side)

115 is still muskets

[uneven basin]

I gotta play fruma to actually criticize the modernity famn

Tfw no hero rank

Why the hell do corkiand not have guns yet

[full harness]

After fruma surely they give my veteran wolf pet and @twin sail ‘s wither pet animations and sounds when you pet them…

[vestal rivet]

some of the mechs have firearms and missile launchers

[uneven basin]

Yeah but no handheld firearms

Like it has to be mounted on a mech

Funny tidbit

[vestal rivet]

maybe antikythera made the firearms then idk

[rotund gust]

Fruma solidiers when a random level 101 Hero npc from ahmsord appears

cooked

[pallid rain]

tactical Wynncraft when?

[copper breach]

Why is the new mat tier "frumian" and not "fruman"?

[spring kernel]

i don't think any materials have fruma in their name

[earnest prairie]

literally the plot of terraria ngl

lvl 150 be like: Wybel province.

[misty horizon]

i feel like it still does make sense

given that corkus province is steampunk

[paper wyvern]

I feel like everyone just kinda forgot corkus is mechs with its main villain being an AI

[earnest prairie]

they living OUR future

[misty horizon]

ye, like literally you have robots in lore for several years

and you guys are wondering about guns

[earnest prairie]

reject modernity, embrace corkus

[paper wyvern]

we know llevigar is powered by an electrical generator

[lavish knot]

Also magic would affect inventions heavily if it exists irl

[earnest prairie]

yeah but llevigar is powered technicalyl thru corkian tech isnt it

[paper wyvern]

yea

[misty horizon]

isn't that why they have electromagic in corkus?

they tried to get magic from electricity

or something

[paper wyvern]

thats why electromagic tech is different from fruman tech

[earnest prairie]

god i wish magic was real

i wish my door took me to work instead of my porch

[misty horizon]

"any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

what if it's all technology

surely

[paper wyvern]

any sufficeintly explaineed magic is indistinguishable from technology

[earnest prairie]

all these inventions tho and the corkians STILL didnt invent the phone

[paper wyvern]

Maybe then NPCs wouldn't have to send letters through the seaskipper on the hope that it'll maybe reach the player soon

[earnest prairie]

how nice of them to keep seaskipper in business tho

hes too good for this world

[clear scaffold]

magic is just another form of science

[gleaming apex]

They'll all be saying I was right when Llevigar turns into a giant quartz mech

[paper wyvern]

Rise of the quartron

[gleaming apex]

It's foreshadowing

For the city sized Llevigar transforming mech

No cap

100% true

You see, this is part of my theory that the Dern Beast could grow really really big

My theory is the The Eye is like 5 blocks tall, so if it can grow the rest of it's body the same amount it could get like around 150 blocks tall

[formal bridge]

I want the entirety of llevigar to turn into a mech and then we get to pilot it and fight the dern beast in a punch out style minigame

[polar moth]

Only if mike tyson shows up and rocks our shit immediately after

just like in the real Punch Out

[earnest prairie]

it what.?! WHERES MY GUNDAM BATTLE?!

[gleaming apex]

2032 trust

[earnest prairie]

we get gundam battle before gta7

[slender copper]

After going through the WynnExcavation Site D quest... I just... have to admire they still consistantly make the Player built different because... what do you mean the Player beat someone who just unlocked the Ultimate Power? lol

[paper wyvern]

dont worry wynnex is outdated we fight plenty of stronger enemies

[slender copper]

Yeah I know lol, just I'm shocked that there's something more powerful then the "Ultimate Power"

[earnest prairie]

you'd be surprised. its called the power of plot (see jojo's bizarre adventure for prime epic examples)

[cedar badger]

Hey, so I’m in a bit of a weird spot, where I’m trying to experience and explain the overarching lore of Wynncraft. At first I was mainly doing only “Storyline Quests” because the normal ones were pretty insignificant for the overall story, but then I did Fate of The Fallen and it seemed more important and significant then many Storyline quests, are there any more quests like that I should watch out for and 100% NOT skip? I’m currently level 46 and I don’t want to miss out on important stuff, if anyone has any quests like that in mind I would greatly appreciate that information lmao

[quartz mist]

megaman 8-bit deathmatch?

[wise thorn]

Kinda wonder how strong bob is

Doctor legendary seems to think orange wybel and qira are both stronger but these mfs ain't beating Annie solo

[slim belfry]

legendary island 2 🥳

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft does not have one true main story yet

The problem rn is many part of wynncraft are pretty outfated and the closet thing to main storyline is heavily not finish yet

[earnest prairie]

we just need the content team to just wake up and make a dev-stream of them just trying to piece together a coherent narrative

or at least a concrete world network

[hybrid gazelle]

The thing is that wynncraft lore been written by many people include those who no longe in the team

Trying to piece the story rn is like archeology lol

And not everything is finalize yet

They do have plan tho

[earnest prairie]

well i can't imagine past members tho stopping them from retconning and stuff for the sake of respect and memory

im sure any writer or lore-head would want the overall narrative to be something that makes sense, even if you have to cut out your own work

but if they have a plan i trust the process

[hybrid gazelle]

No it simply thst they have no idea what that meant to be lol

I don’t think they don’t even remember what old man Martyn suppose to be about

Or whatever memory paranoid is

[earnest prairie]

hm.

welp

only time will tell (no pun intended)

on a side note. i remembered hyperbolas and made this bc my interpretation changed. tho it might be 2 hyperbola equations and not a hyperbola and two slopes ngl

[drifting aurora]

the problem is moreso theres just a LOT to do and we dont have the manpower to get it all done super fast

[earnest prairie]

i don't doubt that statement. its just me publically "speaking aloud" my thoughts on speculations on directions as a fan, not a demand. im sorry if it came off that way though.

[drifting aurora]

it didnt, dw

[hybrid gazelle]

good news is that after Fruma is out

they would have more time to rework on older content

NGL I prefer if we rework all older contents before dern

because I THIKNK

fruma is probably best state could have for now

it is not like SE where everything feel barren

there like actual city hub

[earnest prairie]

oh thats good. i was worried my ramblings offended someone again 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

nah no really it's understandable frustation

but it is what it is

wynncraft been going for like

god know how long

and it has to balance being a game with the team made up of volunteers

[earnest prairie]

uhhh old enough to go to high school honestly

[hybrid gazelle]

back then WYnncraft never meant to be this serious of a game

like I dont think the thouhg of Fruma storyline that we have rn ever cross the foundiung member mind

back then it just
a game

like at it bare form

[earnest prairie]

i mean tbf what part of the silent expanse could you ever see and go "yeah people still live here"

[hybrid gazelle]

what story is there only add some justification on what you are doing

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but it just such

empty and miserable place as a end game city hub LOL

[earnest prairie]

outside of kantry are blinders edible?

[hybrid gazelle]

which like yeah that what it meant to be

[paper wyvern]

Fruma is the first time there's really a single coherent narrative

Although corkus isn't that bad about it either

It's wynn and gavel that have 50 different small storylines that are barely connected

[earnest prairie]

i like corkus' urban planning

feels navigate-able?

navigable?

whatever the word is

[slim belfry]

navigable yeah

[earnest prairie]

it might be tho bc it follows what cinfras and deltas where the city is just four intersecting paths

Almuj got good urban planning tho

i just get a bit lost sometimes trying to find hte powder master

[split night]

I would imagine when fruma came
a random endgame town is gonna be the new endgame city hub with autumn leaves and everything and HOPEFULLY it isn't the wasteland when that region came out xd

[earnest prairie]

they should do it anyways bc it'd be funny

[whole hollow]

Wynncraft needs more orange

I fw autumn leaves

But they also fumbled

By making the cherry blossom area

The most useless place ever

https://tenor.com/view/wano-gif-27255547

Lowkey we need an endgame area that looks like this

[earnest prairie]

if i had to fight the wynncraft equivalent of kaido ill take dern beast instead. least i won't get my head bashed in 😭

[uneven basin]

Personal nitpick time but tbh I don't like Corkus's urban planning it doesn't feel like a city as much as other ones like cinfras or detlas were the illusion of size works, like it really feels like just 2 streets, the utilities and maxie's house (ik there's like 1 or two more decorative houses but it just doesn't sell it to me)

[hybrid gazelle]

let' s be rela it more like

corkus just really oudated build

I think Corkus City needd to have more flair

I already imagine like tall building

with TV screen advertisement

like IDK I think that would such a cool set piece for an island about innovation

[uneven basin]

it would !! also make flat screens more present in corkus I need lore consistency for the modern surveillance system in lexdale's prison

but yeah there's a few cities I feel need to be filled / planned a bit differently for them to feel less like a hub and more like a place ppl live in

[hybrid gazelle]

I do not like modern suveillance system in lexdale prison at all except it came from corkian

which isl ike fine I guess

[hybrid gazelle]

corkus castle really need to be replace with something more sci fibut IDK

[limber swan]

ye Corkus needs more settlements too

not just random areas that have Corkus citizens

[earnest prairie]

you're right...we need hostile architecture

get those benches out there

[limber swan]

also why tf does settlements of freedom play at the wrong place

it litterally is meant to be epic Corkus

so why tf doesn't it play here

like it should

[earnest prairie]

probably a bug

[limber swan]

a bug they haven't fixed

this shit has been like that for as long as I remember

[earnest prairie]

if its not game breaking the devs will back burner it

also the more bugs you squash the more bugs appear

bc coding is funny like that

[uneven basin]

brutalist corkus would be peak man

replace the castle by brutalist Corkus parliament

[uneven basin]

idk about that, corkus is filled out enough by CC and Relos + the random areas populated by corkus citizens dotted all around the island are kinda good to me, maybe tone it down a little cause every inch of that island is populated but whatever

by populated I rmean urbanized

[cedar badger]

Okay thank you so much, I also should probably mention, because that came up later in yours guyses discussion that I’ve only been playing on the Furma beta, I’ve never touched the regular server and the story does seem kinda cohesive, at least I’ve been able to pull it together to a degree 😭 but again thank you so much for the answer, I guess I’ll just play whatever quests I can and hope I don’t miss any important world building

[limber swan]

isn't Fruma main story?

[cedar badger]

Yeah that’s explains a lot probably

[full harness]

Wynncraft has been so heavily retconned and I don’t mean that as a necessarily bad thing. It is better in the long run and will lead to a better more cohesive story, but as someone who has played for a long time, you are often just told that what you knew isn’t true anymore. Sometimes there is lore that is still in the game, but ct just says it’s not true anymore and you should know that even though it isn’t updated yet

I almost wish they would just make a list of all the currently canonized quests so we know which ones are still lore relevant - or a list of the ones that aren’t if that would be easier

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma do recontextualize existing lore and bring them more up to date standard

[hybrid gazelle]

every quest in the game is canon it just some of them like AJB got oudated information but the main thing about the quest is pretty canon

[uneven basin]

I don't think there are that many incoherent quests currently in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that not many

[full harness]

But when you’re doing quests, especially older ones and are trying to understand the lore, it would be useful to know, hey this quest has outdated info that will be changed or shouldn’t be taken literally anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

jsut because it is not useful does not mean it is not canon

oh nvm

I read the message wrong

it fine, you can make your intereptation

even with outdated info

it is what it is

it's literally not that serious

[full harness]

It’s not that serious, but everyone on this discord takes the game more seriously than the average player

[hybrid gazelle]

how

[full harness]

So I am speaking as someone who has played a long time and think it’d be cool if they just released a list of quests that they want to change for story reasons

[hybrid gazelle]

some stuff need to be kept private

they cant keep every promise

or get it in time

[uneven basin]

do you have any example in mind ?

[hybrid gazelle]

that just one quest

[uneven basin]

okay that's cheating XD

[hybrid gazelle]

and you shown that before

[full harness]

Because it’s a funny example

[hybrid gazelle]

what about another

[uneven basin]

It's still canon technically it doesn't contradict anything does it ?

[full harness]

Keep in mind I have played for 13 years atp and hella quests been retconned

[full harness]

Darkness being an element

[hybrid gazelle]

darkness, light, and corruption are not element

so yeah it

contradicting with info that we have

[uneven basin]

Huh good to know

[hybrid gazelle]

fruma so far seems to aim recontextualize many things

rather than compelete recons

while eys there are some recon

it just very few

[uneven basin]

I really can't wait to see all that recontextialisation

[split night]

......... fruma tomorrow

[cedar badger]

Haven’t gotten to this one

But for now

Everything I’ve seen doesn’t really contradict each other

The update might have done a good job at fixing what you guys are describing

Or I just haven’t gotten to the contradictions yet

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh lore most part is not that contradicting

it just unexpanded, unintresting, and mostly just shallow

[lavish knot]

There are parts of the earlier lore where it'll be thing happened, and thats it

[uneven basin]

I think it's intresting

[hybrid gazelle]

there is intresting part to be sure

but then you shit like iboju tribe

why are there native human in wynn despite human are not native to begin with and likely from the same batch of migration as Troms?

IDFK

what are villagers?

IDFK

What are the reason there to be a literally still in service crypt and the act of burial in both grave digger and posion the pest?

IDFK

[uneven basin]

the desert kingdom is a bigger can of worms for that same issue and like, that opens to door for some interpretation which I feel is kinda cool

[hybrid gazelle]

notice how I dont mention the sand kingdom

[uneven basin]

minecraft villagers reused as a fantasy species, they aren't very detailed but I just like having a species of weird humans

[uneven basin]

I should have guessed x)

[hybrid gazelle]

they extaclty that but nothing expand further beyond that

that goes for elves and dwarves

most spieces in Gavel feel uninspired

closet one that are pretty good are the doguns

[uneven basin]

well gavel is gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel is gavel yeah but it still

serve as example of wynncraft lore being shallow
it will be fix in later update

[uneven basin]

no yeah the gavel species diversit is one of the least interesting part for sure

[hybrid gazelle]

because Fruma so far shown the capaility of the writers and their commiment toe xpand this setting

[uneven basin]

but I really like the way the orcs are treated, even if it's a bit cliché

[hybrid gazelle]

ORcs do have potential but yeah it just

I think the fact they suppose to be related to trolls and orges are unexplore

it very weird

[uneven basin]

yeah in general it's a bit dissapointing that that concept stops at the orcs but dev time lol

and they're trying to do few things with villagers, with the history and capacity for magic and like, credit to that

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel definitely deifnition of quantity over quality

cause back then the standard is pretty low

that they could just make entire ass province that mostly empty of contents

if gavel made today

half of the province probably can only exist LOL

[uneven basin]

if gavel made today gavel is out in 2045 LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

like one update probably hit dead stop at Light Forest and the rest will later add in other expansion

[dry aspen]

I think that Wynncraft would benefit from having one species or group that is specifically basically a meme of a group where they are at one half story significant and on the other half completely ridiculous, it'd be very entertaining at the very least

[hybrid gazelle]

villagers can literally be that but Gavel reborn just too busy making them greedy as fuck

and then have like

whatever war of the rose rip off is

Most people dont see the reason why villagers need to be remake

but like

they are pretty much outliners in Gavel theme

[uneven basin]

oh that's just [insert species you want to slander]

[hybrid gazelle]

overall Gavel meant to be high fantasy as Fruma page describe it

but then you got like

the dominat spieces of gavel

is Villager Minecraft(trademark)

[dry aspen]

i was thinking like characters along the lines of Drale and the wocs

[uneven basin]

did it ? It focused a bit more on racism and imperialism and suh

[hybrid gazelle]

to be fair the entire orc war happen because they want to expand their territory

it not entirely base on racism

[dry aspen]

make the wocs like, super story relevent but make then SUPER meme-y

[hybrid gazelle]

because they make a cease fire with the orc before

and only break when they have human allies

and honestly

I never really see racism being main part of villagers beside some minor racism moment

dwarves take that spot

cause their storyline acutally about racism

while villagers just

[uneven basin]

also the thing is I think they kind of are stuck with them from back when wynncraft was "what if minecraft was a MMO" and now they're too ingrained to be replaced by an original species

[hybrid gazelle]

"human is so smelly!!!!"

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah CT mention that Villagers just hard to replace

but probaly eventually will

[uneven basin]

yeah but there's humans smelly, orc war, elves being banned from their cities...

[hybrid gazelle]

wnow that they have free time to focus other work

Elves being banned from cities is dubious cause like

Olon work at guild hall

so like

what

I will be real elves being banned from their cities literally ONLY relevant in ROL 4

which then ONLY USE to fuck over Lari

so I literally could not see it being canon

that the writers just want to artifiacllly find reason for Lari's crashout

[dry aspen]

i wonder what the ct will come up woth for that. I often am impressed with their decision making for how theyve revamped things so far so theyll probably make a good choice

[uneven basin]

there's that tidbit about dwarves fleeing villager expansion

I wonder if they'll do the same for creepers

I think I remeber seeing something about them being also hard to replace

[dry aspen]

funniest thing ever, like "fk u lari u suck lol" that detail still cracks me up

[hybrid gazelle]

I try to explore orcs before

HONESTLY creeper

I never ifnd a way to replace them

like

their existsence is inconsquence LOL

you might as well remove them and make creeper quest somethig about RAVINE itself would be nice

I rather know about this goddamn ravine than like

[dry aspen]

creeper replaced with generic ravine magic would be fine

[hybrid gazelle]

whatever this creeper or its replacement be

I dont think you need ravine magic

just like remake the entire ravine

and try to make history of why it infested

I think that woul be cool

[dry aspen]

more pigman shenanigans les goooo

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont even think pigman will stay in canon

due to the fact they no longer keep the theme of corruption

corruption do not mutate pig to be sapient and humanoid

current corruption literally kill shit and reanimate their body

there is no mutation

it straight just fucking kill you and puppeteer your corpse

[uneven basin]

they're canonically somwhere inbetween because ravine magic

maybe olm shenanigans

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that corruption

that meant to be corruption

[uneven basin]

oh really ?

Never tought of it that way

[dry aspen]

maybe they can be just more time valley cultists

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase you can see the black spike LOL

[uneven basin]

it's transparent gray technically :B

[hybrid gazelle]

I do thin kthere like potential to keep the pigman somehow

[dry aspen]

the cult bled in from time valley and now they are conflicting with ragni military, would make them more than just some ragtag enemies you merk in one area

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK how

but there probably potential

imagine it is some sort of native life that been corrupted

and no matter how much Ragni and Troms try to clear them out for safer trade route

they will always reappear

[dry aspen]

OOOOO i know, drale can have an evil twin whos a pig and he leads the "Gips" to try and take over ragni

that'd be peak

[hybrid gazelle]

Drale suppose to be alien

[dry aspen]

yeah, more aliens

[hybrid gazelle]

And I don’t think that premise would fit the current take on wynncraft

Consider they likely want to focus to be corruption

And also Wynn suppose to be low fantasy

[dry aspen]

booooo low fantasy booooo i want my funny whimsy

[hybrid gazelle]

Also for early player yhat will create confusing in information

If you want high fantasy

There gavel

[uneven basin]

there's already 3 alien species in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

making anym ore alien just make them less special

[uneven basin]

there's so many ideas crammed in gavel anyways

glad the content team's been cleaning up a bit

less glad for the wocs but oh well

[hybrid gazelle]

WOcs are fine for the most part

I think the way they introduce is just strange that all

Drale appear in Tunnel Trouble in the early game

and then

you meet him again in Cowfusion

with all thing that happen inbetween you probalby would forget him LOL

[uneven basin]

well its more like I liked the old cowfusion and the brand of silly the game had around cows and the we already had wybels that fill about the same role, all in all it's fine

[rotund gust]

wynn has the squid people from underice

i don’t think we even have a species name for them

it’s just squid people

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but they mostly exist in those older time and they in a storyline with a theme on par with ROL questline

so yeah

[rotund gust]

the milking scene…

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that fair

I just also dont like the fact Drale appear in early game because I feel like

in those level range

like VERY EARLY level

player should get used to the default state of wynncraft as a setting

before silly thing get thrown in

I think that just get better impression of what wynncraft is and not suddenly shove in with COW PEOPLE FUNNY

[uneven basin]

nah I'd say COW PEOPLE FUNNY is a nice way to introduce the silly side of wynncraft

maybe there's a better way to do it

[rotund gust]

correct me if i’m forgetting one, but like as far as native sapient species go;
Wynn has: Humans, Olm, Squid People
Gavel has: Villagers, Orcs, Dwarves, Elves, Hobbits, Gnomes
Corkus has: Avos
Space has: Wocs, Wybels, Humyns
Fruma has: ||Humans, Changelings, and whatever the psionics were||

[hybrid gazelle]

the probably a better way to do it but I dont think random humour is the best way

wynncraft is allow to be light hearted ofc

[uneven basin]

don't forget the humyns on the moon

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the nauter are pretty unintresting as spieces

the design is also unintresting

[rotund gust]

the who

[hybrid gazelle]

squid people

that what they call

[rotund gust]

wait really

[hybrid gazelle]

cehalopod by themselves are pretty smart animal

IDK why they have to be humanoid

what the point of them being humanoid LOL

human literally only needed their humanoid stance to run and look over tall grass field so they not getting jump by giant ass cat

and alos hands too

that ipretty important

but like

wtf does squid need to have humanoid stance

[rotund gust]

wait when are they called nauter, that’s not in underice quest dialogue is there just a random text npc in the squid village or something

[uneven basin]

also gavel has : Villagers, Orcs and other greenskins, Doguns, Dwarves, Elves, Hobbits, Gnomes, and then tehre's also Nagas, Azer, Pandas, Elefolk, that all seem to have established at least hunter gatherer societes

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK I just find
Humanoid = Sapiences being so fucking stupid

[uneven basin]

I mean they might have been kinda forgotten as a "good enough" quest

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[uneven basin]

there are new squid models for a world event so like, no reason t othink the nauter are completely forgotten

[hybrid gazelle]

it is what it is

[rotund gust]

right i kinda forgot about all of the enemy only species

and doguns

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

enemies only spieces

god

fucking

pleASE

stop using sapient as mobs only, you set up a weird implication

[uneven basin]

My theory is that they're failed or no so failed qira creations released in the wild

[hybrid gazelle]

half of gavelian spaients probably does not have humanoid right

[rotund gust]

gavel has like all 2 dragons

[hybrid gazelle]

can we bring up like

[rotund gust]

the gerts too i guess

but gerts are just villagers after cosmic magic

[hybrid gazelle]

the fact there are race named Skyraider

who as their name imply are sky pirate that raid airships full of civilians

and they consist of literal womens

what does wynncraft mean by this

that shit like naming human
City Builder

[hasty beacon]

“Literal womens”

[rotund gust]

wait skyraider is a race

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

they are a race

[rotund gust]

i assumed it was meant as an occupation/culture

[hybrid gazelle]

I said literal womans becuasel ike

that literally what they all are

[rotund gust]

when they are referred to as Skyraiders

[hybrid gazelle]

they all womans as a spieces

[uneven basin]

to be fair there's been a genocide

[hybrid gazelle]

skyraiders

taht their only name

they never refer as anything else

but them being human is impossible

[rotund gust]

yeah but their obviously like humans

their pirates, why would they care about gavels no human laws

[hybrid gazelle]

what does that has to do with skyraider

I meant

[uneven basin]

The skyraiders are another big can of worms

[hybrid gazelle]

them being humani s impossible

because they exist before the ocean even calm

and EVEN THEN

900 AP is pretty much humand and villager first contact

[uneven basin]

I think they're supposed to be villagers and the skin hasn't been updated yet

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK I just think vilalgers would mentio "oh yeah we met human before"

they could be elves

that the only solution I accept

[rotund gust]

Skyraider being a species just seems… mmmm no. they really need to elaborate on that

[hybrid gazelle]

because i also refuse to see them as different spieces

yeah no that weird

that why I just said they are elves

[rotund gust]

maybe the angel species from the sky island

but none of the skyraiders have wings

[uneven basin]

that too

[hybrid gazelle]

elves just better option

[rotund gust]

yeah but the skyraiders don’t have elf ears

[hybrid gazelle]

like you could just say they are very androynous that all of them look like women

dude I dont care at this point just call them elves and move on

they can be hiding their ears for all I can

angels also just weird

there are like

apperantly this winged humanoid

that just wnadering around ruins

and their name feel like they are created with specific purpose or embodiment of a purpose

are they even sapience?

do wynncraft players just kill these sapient without second though cause like

what do they mean by this

[rotund gust]

also azer. Are they just a type of dwarf? Like they are kinda just fire elemental + dwarf in most things

[hybrid gazelle]

SURELY therte are moral consequence to this

[rotund gust]

i mean

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly

[rotund gust]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

according to lootrun

they jsut dwarves

but evil

[rotund gust]

makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

which IDK what to say

because the OG dwarves are racist before the ending of DND

so IDK what

wynncraft mean by this

[rotund gust]

Evil dwarves be like: I tolerate other species and uplift the poor of society

[hybrid gazelle]

azer give me this vibe

[uneven basin]

In the final discovery of the molten heights some dwqarven soldiers use the azer skin

[hybrid gazelle]

Call the spieces an evil version of an existing race

that said race known for being racist and hunt native as festival

What does salted mean by this?

[hybrid gazelle]

I take it that azer are just exiled dwarves

I have lore expansion for them wait

[rotund gust]

also why are their no dogun enemies in molten heights lootrun but there are dwarf enemies. Like end of d&d we fight both of them

[rotund gust]

surely there’s atleast a couple who still hold a grudge

[hybrid gazelle]

This is old ass stuf f tho

but the azers are pretty much outcast dwarves

who later grow in numbers after event of DND

where they become dwarves that leave the kingdom due to the truth being expose

so the motive of azers are vary in indivudals

some hold grudge against the doguns

some hate the royalty and want to take revenge on them

like there ylot you can do with azers

[dry aspen]

now do the drill-riding dudes

[hybrid gazelle]

This was old project

[earnest prairie]

kind of funny tho they are called skyraiders but no raid to go with them. raid the skyraiders

[lavish knot]

Now I think of it
Does Wynn army actually keep tracks of their soldiers?

[paper wyvern]

most likely only with native soldiers and higher ups

beta spoilers ||they are so bad at keeping track of recruits that they just pick up whoever is in detlas for the queens invitation for the best recruits to come back||

[rotund gust]

Fruma thing ||how do the sovereigns blessings work? Syndra says the normal blessings are more like unlocking potential, cause she had a fire affinity, but are the sovereigns the same? Did the queen choose what abilities to give them or did they just manifest abilities based on their personalities. for the modern sovereigns the latter explanation makes sense, but one of the prior sovereigns blessings was to see through mistwoods fog which… isn’t very personal||

[spring kernel]

Only the sovereigns are actually blessed

[rotund gust]

what’s going on with soldiers like syndra then

is that just her learning to use a foci

[spring kernel]

it's their weapons

[rotund gust]

are the weapons just normal foci or are blessed weapons like actually blessed

[spring kernel]

they are not normal

[rotund gust]

ah

doesn’t syndra ||say something about it being painful though? idk i only did the auburn quests once i may be misremembering. I kinda took that as “oh zhiraok also described ascension as painful, she just went through a lesser ascension”||

hold on lemme skim the olinus streams

ok i’m just making stuff up nvm

idk where i got that

[shut hornet]

afaik they are normal foci?

like Good foci but still normal ones

[spring kernel]

i thought they had blessed weapons

[shut hornet]

||yes (which are normal foci)||

||(theyre just called that to sound special)||

[warm adder]

the canyon colossal

[digital swan]

corkian balloon gets shot down over kandon beda by a skyraider anti air battery, you join the corkian-ahmsordian invasion of skyraider territory 👍 it is real and will be added in the update where they add sandbags and defensive position building options

[warm adder]

I shot aledar

[digital swan]

you need to switch pfp to yellow for Chapion rak

[gloomy idol]

True

[split night]

huh why is the gender of dern beast so inconsistent
some quest refer to it as he
orphion refer to it as she
is it Any/All now

[shut mist]

Pretty sure orphion doesent mention anything about it

[split night]

the gavel text thingy

it decode to something about dern

[shut mist]

Thats the fruma queen

Its talking about

[split night]

huh?

"she expanse her influence"

[shut mist]

Yeah

[split night]

how

she closed the border

[shut mist]

Shes about to open it

[split night]

i don't think that make any sense, but i'd like to hear your reasoning to be enlightend

[slim belfry]

it's more like "her influence feeds this war"
it's hard to tell why that is for now

[shut mist]

And ig thats where the raid comes in

I havent been on beta

But it seems crazy

[split night]

huah

that doesn't deduct to anything for me
if that's the case, wouldn't it make more sense if he was refering to dark

is fruma queen worshipping dark theory back now

[shut mist]

Apparently shes from corruption or smth

Idk

[split night]

What

is that spoiler

i'm actually getting up

please tell me it isn't a spoiler

😭

[shut mist]

Thats all ik

[slim belfry]

we don't actually know much rn

[split night]

oh okay

nice

I guess one could say we're being kept in the dark about this

[shut mist]

Im just working with what i see in the trailers

All i saw on beta were the new abilities

I did 0 quests

Based On both the trailers i saw i guessed half the story

Its kinda stupid

The 6th soveraign trailer and the other one from like 1 year ago

[warm adder]

Non

[shut hornet]

please note no fruma spoilers in this channel

[vestal rivet]

counter-reaction!

[slim belfry]

@shut mist this likely applies to anything you see in patch notes

[shut mist]

Fair enough

[full harness]

Does this just mean @shut mist is getting banned? 😔

I mean a rule’s a rule

[earnest prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kinrou-rules-drstone-ruru-wa-gif-21855078

[wise thorn]

Nice to see that bum bak'al get the slander he deserves here

[earnest prairie]

he’s on fraud watch

bak’al be like , “ah yes, my super darkness spell given to me by the dern beast that i havent used since i started the corruption war”

[digital swan]

putin strives to be bakal levels of fraud

[earnest prairie]

bak’al be like when going to the war of realms again: “ahhhh the sweet smell of rotten flesh in the morning”

[lavish knot]

So.... RoW is an anarchy zone got it

[earnest prairie]

all roads lead to anarchy

[shut hornet]

when did he ever say he got a super darkness spell from the dark beast

theres plenty of actual problems with his character u can point out without making one up

[hollow charm]

For instance he just left for the milk after he was beat once (he wasn't even hurt bad 😭)

[full harness]

Bakal’s Super Darkness spell is OP

[split night]

he know bob's next hit gonna obliterate him so he need to ran

he did that a second time with Lari too 😭

bro only win fight when it's against unarmed detlas citizen with his army

[uneven basin]

So scared of bob he kept cowering 16 years after his disappearance

[candid cliff]

To be fair Lari was at 300% power

because of being in a realm native to her power

[split night]

she wasn't even at full power with the nexus of light having a parasite problem

Light wasn't even able to direct his own hit, the parasite can control him somehow making most of the light resident aggressive

[candid cliff]

Only to us

Lari says they're just confused because we're neither and a new resident

[uneven basin]

Light residents are reacting like a immune system, world event lore says as much they just treat us like another intruder

[split night]

Some of them are immune system I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the light sheep things

and the tree branch guy turning from green to red in RoL2

They also attack Lari too

Huh honestly if taking that her being in the realm empower her, I want to see her vs Bak'al in Dern

[candid cliff]

That's if Bak'al is even blessed with power

[split night]

I mean, him able to open a portal to dern should be something
I'd be surprised that Lari even survive that long in Dern

If the "Being in respective realm empower oneself" assumption is correct
I would make another assumption that her being in dernic would depower her since she's surrounded by dark

[full harness]

That’s what I said 😭

We need to see him get a real win or two against power players to make us take him seriously

[split night]

I do find it funny that if that assumption is correct
how would that actually work really
Like, make another assumption that Light also exist as an Element, so like
Does it work like Lari pulling light around her to herself?
Like pulling water out of a stream to empower your weapon with water element everytime you use it or something

[split night]

I prefer not having a dungeon about about that twink

xd

But I would like a quest where we fight him

like the Bob quest

[full harness]

This is the current understanding of elements. I can’t show you more because they are Fruma spoilers

[split night]

I wish wynncraft magic system was clear and stick to what it laid out

Complex magic system isn't bad but a confusing one is

like

[full harness]

There are currently 10 elements known and a potential 11th one revealed in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

what is this now

jesus

again?

[split night]

I know there are other fantasy magic system out here that is basically just science

[split night]

another one?? 😭

at this point we might as well have a periodic table

[hybrid gazelle]

just ignore the ugy cause I dont even know wtf they talking about

jfc

[full harness]

And that is being worked on by Trashie

[hybrid gazelle]

what are you even on about

[split night]

this kinda remind me that I like that Dullahan is basically a product of corruption without directly touching corruption

His mind, soul and magic go eaten by the dark, then light revive him and now he's a husk of what he once was

[hybrid gazelle]

that

that not how it work

but

okay

[split night]

I thought that what that is

Isn't the water a product of light

and one of his line state that his part eaten away by the dark

[hybrid gazelle]

no he is not corrupted

[gleaming apex]

Not really

[hybrid gazelle]

he just

whatever the fuck lazarus pit is about

cause if he indeed a corruption

the corrupted process would happen ALL WAY before he got his head chop off

[gleaming apex]

Lazarus pit is weird af

[hybrid gazelle]

also evne then

DECAY IS LITERALLY

process that prevent corruption from happen

because he literally has no light in him

decay is absence of Light

so he cant be corrupted

if he has no Light

[full harness]

So what’s the absence of darkness

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK

[gleaming apex]

Who knows?

I don't think we've seen that

[hybrid gazelle]

we never seen it happen

[split night]

light

[hybrid gazelle]

therefore we do not have name or reference point

[full harness]

Lutho the obelisk flushing out the dark

[split night]

what the hell is a lazarus pit

[gleaming apex]

A pit

[hybrid gazelle]

Obelisk so far does not indicate to drain darkness

just emit light

I probably need to do some checking

[gleaming apex]

You can tell the obelisk emits light because there's some corruption under it I think

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

TBH I was about to say that but I was not too sure

I was planning to see it myself first

[split night]

I mean killing light can be called decay and an Absence of light
then why not killing dark be called enlightend and an Absence of dark?

[gleaming apex]

Yeah it's in that little area underneath

[hybrid gazelle]

because decay is not killing of light

it's absnece of it

you killing light entity

would not cause a decay

decay is literally drain light out of something

[gleaming apex]

Decay is draining light, not emitting dark

[hybrid gazelle]

AKA light forest stuff

yeah

[split night]

and how is it went away and become Absence?

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

okay so basically

you got an elf

[split night]

draining light to where?
draining assume it go somewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

which is being exist in physical plan

[hybrid gazelle]

where do you think parasite got its power from?

the parasite drain the light from Gavel to empower itself

[split night]

Does eating light and absorb it as energy count as killing it and thefore making the land absence of it?

[gleaming apex]

The point is that draining light is very intentionally different from emitting dark

[hybrid gazelle]

that how it become stronger after hibernation

no because here the thing

Here you got an elf

elf is a being that exist in phsyical plane

but they also have light in them

Parasite come to suck the elf

now there is no light in the elf

they become decayed

that what the decay is

[full harness]

Corruption - Corrupts

Dark - Darkens

Light - Lightens

And when Darkness sucks Light it - Decays

And when Lightness sucks Dark it - Recays

[hybrid gazelle]

it not the act of killing

[split night]

I mean if they both are killing since I assume when dark and light touch, they cancel each other out like matter and anti matter

[hybrid gazelle]

it just basically taking away crack from crack addict

[gleaming apex]

Not really

[hybrid gazelle]

if you kill an crack addict

then they would not face the withdraw effect

they just dead

[gleaming apex]

When they touch, corruption occurs. The decay is very intentionally different from corruption

[split night]

Yeah I know, it's an absence of light
I'm referring specificly to the sucking part

[hybrid gazelle]

but if you take away crack from an crack addict

then they felt the withdraw

that what the decay is

it's the withdraw part

[split night]

Yeah I know that, that's called a consequence xd

But what IS the sucking part?

[full harness]

^

[hybrid gazelle]

the sucking part is parasite doing the sucking thing

that it

[gleaming apex]

Light and dark don't just destroy each other, they corrupt what's there

[hybrid gazelle]

it process of drainning hte Light

[split night]

The parasite eat away light or draining it as you call
what make eating that thing not killing them?

[hybrid gazelle]

so far only the parasite seems to capable of doiung the dedcay

[split night]

I mean it absorb the light energy and become stronger so

[hybrid gazelle]

pretyt sure eating work too I guess

[gleaming apex]

Yes, that's still not the same as emitting dark

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK what the diferent between sucking and eating here

consider parasite have lamprey for a mouth

biting is not relaly

its option

[gleaming apex]

You could say that it's destroying light, but it's not emitting darkness at all because there's no corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[full harness]

Can anyone fill in the blanks?

[hybrid gazelle]

Corruption only created through the clashing between Light and Dark

SPECIFIACLLY

clashing between one and another

[split night]

How about vampire
If a vampire suck all of your blood, you decay you die
what make it different from striking you and let you bleed out until you die when you out of blood?

SOOOO
What the obelisk is doing is it emitting light which strike the dark and protect the people in luthos

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe because blood is not a good analogy here

[split night]

while the dark is sucking the blood

[gleaming apex]

Yes, which is different from the parasite, the obelisk has corruption underneath it

So we know it's actually emitting light

[split night]

Yeah i just acknowledge that it is emitting light

[gleaming apex]

While the parasite is just destroying light some other way

[split night]

I'm saying that emitting light also destroy dark in some way

I mean have we ever shine a flashlight in a dark room

Lutho is in the physical plane so

Actually let make it clear

[gleaming apex]

It does destroy dark, but it also causes corruption as a side effect, which happens both ways

[split night]

What point are each of us making?

[gleaming apex]

That the parasite is not emitting darkness, it's just destroying light some other way, which is why decay is just absence of light instead of more darkness

And that the obelisk is emitting light, because there's corruption underneath it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there's no darkness at all.

[split night]

I'll go
I'm saying The decay caused by a dark creature involve sucking light and eat that light and left Light Things dried of Light and essentially decay, like plant without water, which mean It is killing light

While
The state of statis caused by an Obelisk involve emitting a radiance amount of light to strike the dark and ward it off of the Luthos residents, essentially shining a light in a dark room which mean killing dark

[gleaming apex]

I mean the obelisk is destroying darkness, but we don't know for sure if it destroys all the darkness or not

Until something confirms it

[full harness]

Isn’t darkness the absence of light? So it would make sense that darkness can drain light, but light can’t drain darkness, it just exists in a greater abundance, diminishing the dark.

In that way decay could just be the darkness spreading its influence.

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[split night]

Yes it isn't a moving thing and also not a virus that replicate itself and spread so It isn't a kind of parasite

It's more of an arrow hitting the ground and explode and leave radiation

[gleaming apex]

The thing is that if the darkness was also growing there would be corruption

[split night]

Ohh I get what you mean, if light and dark touches boom corruption

[gleaming apex]

Yes

[full harness]

Could just be an inconsistency, the decay was added a long time ago

[split night]

but what I meant is that I'm not saying they're touching

I'm saying that they killing each other with a weapon of sort

[gleaming apex]

If they're destroying each other that also causes corruption though

Aka the entire realm of war

[split night]

although orphion aim is kinda ass so his obelisk didn't hit the dern portal but landed outside to a random town

[full harness]

So then if decay is something separate ^ what do we call it when light does it? What do we call it when dark or light spread their influence generally?

[gleaming apex]

We just don't know yet

[split night]

they're not destroying each other in the realm of war
they are touching each other here which also destroying themselves in the process
it's different than matter and anti matter touching
it's more what if Positron bond with a normal atom

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont even know wtf obelisk is for beside seemingly helping farmers

literally

what does it do

bro be erecting a goddam obelisk than helping his own followers

Dawg this is my god, we about to lose this war

[gleaming apex]

It is literally the realm of war, what do you think is going on there, they must be fighting each other, it's literally the realm of WAR

[split night]

I just assume that when the decay got dire and Orphion was getting desperate because he couldn't call Lari for some reason, he shoot a big ass block of light toward the realm of dark and hoping it hit dern beast in the head and call off the decay

Orphion Ass Aim theory

[hybrid gazelle]

the funny thing that he could call Lari like if he can call that one elf elder in 1000 AP

he probably can call Lari at anytime LOL

or you know player for that matter

[full harness]

And that’s a valid answer, hopefully they show us the reverse in the future

[gleaming apex]

I always thought the obelisk was so the Eye doesn't get more souls, since it seems to want them

[split night]

Is the word "god" the name of Orphion simply because the mere mortal doesn't have a word to capture its entirety?

So similar I assume the realm of "War" is just a mortal name to capture such that is unimaginable to a mortal mind

so is "light" and "dark"

[gleaming apex]

Well the name doesn't come from us, it comes from the ancient tree who probably knows more than most people

[full harness]

“Just as the darkness infiltrated Gavel, the Light was able to protect the physical bodies of the miners in Lutho by erecting this Monolith.” It’s kinda vague as to why he cared about the miners specifically

[gleaming apex]

So I'm assuming it's fairly accurate

[gleaming apex]

That's why I think the light didn't want the Eye to get more souls, since it wants them for some reason

[split night]

HONESTLY BIG THEORY TIME
I assume that he can foresee the future and all its path

He warn the first Elder Elf to not cut the tree thinking that most of the future path didn't resolve to it but in the end accidentally set off the biggest chain event of all time

So what he's trying to do is he wait for us, a light more radiance than Lari in term of doing what necessary, since Orphion know he can't change Lari's morality easily because first he's being controlled by the tick and second she is very stubborn

[full harness]

I mean it could just be trying to spread as much as possible and it was the best orphion could do to save a town

Maybe they were orphion worshippers

[split night]

He just simply don't see any future that involve Lari finally dealt with the corruption on her own so he waited

[full harness]

Since we know people worshipped him and the elves tried to spread his religion

[hybrid gazelle]

" since Orphion know he can't change Lari's morality easily"

IF YOU LAUGH, YOU GO TO DERN

[gleaming apex]

Actually close to my theory that Orphion is an Aizen level planner, and everything is actually going according to his plan, and the whole thing was to raise up a strong enough hero(us) to fight Dern beast

[split night]

For real, I'd assume that this might actually be true wish how far she go to NOT kill something 😭