📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

single instance of corkian and dogun work together

that is not like nation wide thing

Ineos just happen to be friend with Rhay and that it

[split night]

yeah i know that's why i said they adopted a dogun
the war has go on for at least a few centuaries or smth
i do now know how that dogun found their way to corkus which is like, at least 2000 meter away from their home but yeah

[split night]

i thought one of his dialog mention that the corkus take him in after he ran?

[hybrid gazelle]

let me go check

is this festival thing?

[split night]

it's during the quest where you unlock the colossus raid i think, the same quest
and there is a choice dialog if i remember correctly

let's check the wiki

[hybrid gazelle]

I try to find it

do you have any proximiation of where it is?

[split night]

i remember it was a line said by Ineos

[hybrid gazelle]

well I look into it

I dont see any so far

any specific stage or moment?

[split night]

okay i might be wrong or it's just a very bad case of mandela effect

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so no evidence so far

[split night]

i always wonder whether or not you could attend maxie wedding

[hybrid gazelle]

no you cant

[split night]

aw

:(

[hybrid gazelle]

it happen during yohur adventure between envoy 2 and the breaking point

[split night]

im a little surprised that the corkus haven't invented phone with electromagic yet

their tech seem really advanced

[hybrid gazelle]

corkus tech kinda confusing

but probably polish out when it get remake

[split night]

everytime we mention corkus it make me feel like it was rushed even though playing through it felt natural

xd

they are like
a mix of futuristic tech with a bit of the third or fourth industrial revolution

or smth

i think fruma industrial spot would probably be what the factory look like before the AI take over

[uneven basin]

It's supposed to be steampunk

anyways I checked and Ineos is in new taloka enjoying being with the doguns

[split night]

what

gib me a screenshot

i want to see him happy

[uneven basin]

Im' trying x)

[split night]

excluding the bread guy, who has the most dialog in the game?

[vocal rapids]

Do world events scale to your level?

[split night]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

both steampunk and futuristic

its asthetic is steampunk but functionality sci fi

[uneven basin]

finding the files was tough lol

[split night]

precious

[slim belfry]

would be funny awesome if corkian tech would be like:
pocket sized copper box with gears but removing the cover reveals a touchscreen

[split night]

i'd pay so much for steampunk style modern phone

[gleaming apex]

I mean it actually does make some sense, since magic probably allowed them to rapidly skip ahead in technological development, so the aesthetics could still be catching up

[split night]

yeah
electromagic sounds very cool

metalic

[uneven basin]

It's really interesting how villagers rely on Corkus for a few things, the entirety of llevigar, the collosus incident, their national hero...

[split night]

i thought llevigar came before corkus

[uneven basin]

Oh no, Corkus was settled around 300 yrs ago and llevigar was rebuilt around 100 years ago after gavel became giga rich

I do wonder how they established contact

[split night]

gigachad seaskipper took them here
he is secretly as old as lari

[uneven basin]

Seaskipper is legit a supernatural being

I don't wanna hear otherwise

[cursive knot]

Man I just finished Hollow Serenity, and I gotta say, it's absolute cinema!

[paper wyvern]

`I mean seaskipper is a vessel for 4th wall breaking jokes

[full harness]

Just wait until you try a real quest like Haven Antiquity!

[digital swan]

bread guy v2

which is a festival I think

[blissful stirrup]

Are the events of Fruma before or after A Hunter's Calling?

Lore wise, does that mean Fruma technically serves as the new ending of our character's story?

[hybrid gazelle]

AHC is a what if

so it can happen at any time

it does not really matter

[blissful stirrup]

I guess I more so mean is Fruma post the Silent Expanse storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[fallow patio]

Fruma requires completing most of Silent Expanse and starts by directly referencing the events of AJF

[digital swan]

both

[earnest prairie]

“Yeah I kinda salted my steak just a little bit”

[digital swan]

the first scenario is ambiguous and can be either before or after Fruma
the second scenario is before fruma
the third scenario is before fruma
the fourth scenario is before fruma
the fifth scenario is before fruma
the sixth scenario is after fruma
the seventh scenario is after fruma
and the eighth scenario is so distanced from the real timeline that if you graph it on a Huntington-Moritz plot it is temporally left of Fruma

[hasty beacon]

i always wondered, when bakal mentions wynn's "hero" in the 8th scenario, does he mean us?

[tawdry mural]

yeah it feels ambigious, i think it could either mean the player or bob, i feel like it could be bob since bak'al is taking the time to call the "hero" a "hero" and to send armies out to several cities, it has this sort of underlying respect i feel that would only be accomplished with a paragon rather than not only a menace to society, but to the well-being of anything that breathes, apparently

[hasty beacon]

bob is dead by the time the quest takes place tho

or at least missing i think its not completely confirmed hes dead

[tawdry mural]

its not i think hes supposed to be dead given the dialgoue in fantastic voyage

but it could be an alternate timeline where bob just didnt go to gateway island and got multihitted by the eye

[hasty beacon]

those damn multihits i cant blame him for dying

[tawdry mural]

off topic but i really love how some NPCs are like "ah <playername> looks like bob, im sure bob is proud of <playername>" and we smash cut to the player who is getting high off mushrooms or something equally stupid

[hasty beacon]

lmao yea i love all the goofy shit we do

[tawdry mural]

i bet bob did the same, i mean hes supposed to be like us i bet hes going to get high off mushrooms too, as any self respecting hero of wynn

[digital swan]

bob uses cannabis

I mean

"canned abis"

just a guess here but the perception of humans literally everywhere is that they're maniacal brutes

what are the chances that drugs are ultra common in wynn

and everyone's just a druggie and has impaired judgement that makes them seem more brutish than usual

[full harness]

I think it’d be sick if Bob exiled himself to Dern to seal the Dern Beast, but realized he wasn’t strong enough alone to weaken him before using the sealing magic.

So he’s just made himself a little hut near the heart of Dern and is now “Old Man Bob” slaying monsters and stopping as many as he can from escaping into the outside world.

He’s biding time, waiting for a group strong enough to come help him seal the beast. Then the last raid in the game is canonically us, Bob, and 2 others fighting our way to the Dern Beast so we can lock him away. Maybe we enter with a group of 5 and only 3 of us reach Bob (making 4 for the raid).

Maybe he has 3 pet Kantyr now 😭😂 that help guard his place

[tawdry mural]

Old Man Bob is a grizzled war vet, talks with a texan accent, and calls the player "Kid"

[full harness]

And I don’t want it any other way

[uneven basin]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that a stereotype that comes from gavel ppl only interacting with soldier types like the player ?

[digital swan]

ig but also travelers on the airship interact with detlas civilians

[uneven basin]

I guess we'd have to check if instances of racism are preceded by a "you humans" or "you Wynn soldiers"

I don't see how villagers would be getting that vibe from the average Wynn npc xd

[earnest prairie]

i think its just that wynn ppl tend to have a bit more murderous or destructive tendencies than villagers. i mean, they grew up in a land filled with re-animated corpses. they basically only know to destroy anything they come across as a perceived obstacle

like sure some are more tame than others, but the corkians dont seem to be like wynn humans and seem more builders if anything

despite making an autonomous war factory

[candid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/yamamoot-gif-26505351

[full harness]

Like just imagine AJBx10 where you and your squad are getting messed up in Dern and after you’ve already lost two people and all hope, out of nowhere a spear flies through the air and impales a monster to the wall. Then Old Man Bob walks over slowly to pull it out and the rest of the monsters run away in fear

[split night]

i always like the fact that the main char we control is chaotic good/ neutral good

Lari is basically the true opposite of Bal'ak, like they are absolutely the opposite of each other

I'm glad that some of the community still love Lari since she's a person who take "being good" too far

[hybrid gazelle]

there are potential in Lari character but yeah geniunely her writing kinda subpar and so as the rest of ROL

I think there reason to dislike Lari but some take it too far

[split night]

i mean i saw someone said they hate lari because she talk too much

😭

i agree that there are reasons to dislike her but come on

[split night]

I do want to know what she's doing in dern, I hope that when we finally get here, we aren't going to find a corpse

[hybrid gazelle]

we will find out in dern story but yeah

[split night]

she's literally trying to do what the parasite do but instead of attaching herself into a beast, she just ram head first to the beast's den

all that while orphion is still recovering

which mean she isn't at her 100% power as well

[hybrid gazelle]

consider it been said that ROL is on piority on rewrite along with SE questlines

they likely getting remake to serve as better foudation

[lavish knot]

imo Lari is a character with great character concepts, but not well executed

[split night]

she's basically frisk undertale but with weird writing

xd

[uneven basin]

Even frisk Undertale fights Omega flowey 😭

[split night]

im referring to the fact that pacifist route demand frisk to spare flowey after the omega part

someone irredeemable who has killed a lot in the past and also just killed someone right in front of you
it's a neat thing that pose a question, when is pacifism become too far?

Pacifist Frisk is just like Lari in a way, always find an alternative solution instead of using the bruteforce one

[uneven basin]

Well true in a way

[split night]

it's funny

[uneven basin]

But in another lari is bruteforcing pacifism

[split night]

even though both of them choose to push pacifism, the outcome to their story branch out here with one get a good ending and the other stuck in a stalemate waiting for us to solve

[split night]

huah, i thought i already make an example xd
both of them bruteforce pacifist but then fate decide where that action leads

[hybrid gazelle]

the difference is that htey actaulyl show frisk pacfism working

[split night]

remember, Flowey is soulless, incapable of feeling compassion

[hybrid gazelle]

while they only shown failure for Lari

which is weirddd

cause the questline is all about gray area in morality

yet they never show any sucess on pacifist side

it sound morel ike the quest trying to make you to be reckless murdurer who kill on sight

instead of learning anything new

which is

WEIRDDDDD

the quest it self literally validate player existing stand in idealogy which is to kill shit first and ask later

[split night]

I like the fact that the lesson to learn in RoL is that there is a point where pacifism can cost too much and the straight forward solution might be a better answer
BUT

the way they convey that is so bad

like actually really bad

[uneven basin]

It's hard to get behind a thousand years of failure tbh

[split night]

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that

Lari probably sucess somewhat with her method

consider she would be dealing with wildlifes as such

but the game never address this

[split night]

She has been stalemating the decay for 1000 years, it's really impressive how she can control all that magic in such a wide area

[split night]

they did
in a secret discovery
🤦‍♀️

i wish they do that in a main quest

the secret discovery show us what she has been doing to keep the decay from spreading further inside of a cave

[hybrid gazelle]

the secrect discovery is her just keeping the decay quaratine

it not really telling her method succeed in anyway

[split night]

yeah

when they rework RoL, I hope they show that she suceed in someway, it's just that our method was a little better

and also not make us a mean killing machine

[uneven basin]

I like us being a killing machine

It's cool having the game address the main way in Wich it makes us interact with the world is killing

[split night]

yeah the cows and that rooster island chicken

[hybrid gazelle]

the issue of having player as killing machine with no intent of asking the intention or the reason is the same reason why DND DM hate murder hobo

[uneven basin]

Among others yeah

[split night]

I full on agree with you

[uneven basin]

Yeah but we're not a murder hobo either

We don't kill for the fun of it

[split night]

The main character had a mental breakdown at the Hunter's Calling quest, idk why they didn't when they kill those in the past

[uneven basin]

It's more of our first reflex when asked to deal with something

[split night]

what about the witch in the well at maltic

[uneven basin]

This kinda

[hybrid gazelle]

it still does not really matter because if all the solution would be killing thing

[uneven basin]

We're a soldier, what we learned to do is kill things all the time, so when faced with a new problem we deal with it the only way we know how to

[split night]

there are many instances of us solving problem in a different way too

[uneven basin]

I mean sometimes it isn't and there kind of a discussion around this issue like in all roads to peace

[hybrid gazelle]

is not the wholep oint of adventure is to become better man and improve yourself

[split night]

it's just not memorable as killing

[hybrid gazelle]

and not stagnant into one thing

[split night]

gosh I LOVE the quest that's about the scientist studying decay

it's so good

i lovei t

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK man maybe wynncraft story could be explore what it meant to be soldier or hero or whatever

[split night]

it's good story

[hybrid gazelle]

and maybe teaching players themselves to be a better person

[uneven basin]

True true but that's what makes the violence thing interesting we start as a killing machine and as we progress we get to practice other solutions (?)

I haven't thought much about this tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but we talking about

ROL

this is like mid game quest

[uneven basin]

I'm trying to expand the discussion to the whole game haha

[hybrid gazelle]

so are we

the thing is that

RoL set up perfect way to have player in different perspective

in Wynn they only fighting mostly undead

[split night]

I think YES, because hunter's calling is so endgame that by this point, main character learning that killing is bad is not well palced

[hybrid gazelle]

things that undeniably always need to be kill

it ALWAYS good to kill undead due to their nature

so there is no moral consequence or depth in killing them

[split night]

and then we came to Gavel

where thing become less morally justified to kill

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL spin this on its ehad where Lari make a point that these things you are fighting in decay area are just animals trying to live

whatever you choose to change your idealogy is up to you

but it's good perspective to show to the player and have them reconsider

that maybe perspective that they once use Wynn no longer necessery in Gavel

maybe there more than just killing as solution

but it's up to you if you change or not

[split night]

oh my boat it's like
the same thing as the first encounter with a dwarf quest where the guy just kinda tell us to save the little magma cube and not kill is because they got illegally kidnapped and SUDDENLY we don't kill anymore?

it's so weird

I wish RoL set up as a reason for us to choose not to kill in the future quest instead of like, we randomly choose not to kill

[gleaming apex]

It's not my fault the animals dared to have a yellow name tag within 15 meters of me

Skill issue on their part

[split night]

If RoL teaches us that killing isn't always the answer
the Journey Further quest would have been so much more of a gut punch to the main character ( and me ) as well

[full harness]

Just let us keep killing!

[split night]

i would love it

[hybrid gazelle]

also this is like

[split night]

how about genocide the dwarf to save the doguns

[hybrid gazelle]

this is some stuff from my ROL rewrite

[split night]

GIVE ME THIS FAN FICTION I WANT TO EAT IT

I love that she just use the word "light" as a replacement for swear in your writing

[hybrid gazelle]

the dialogue is not that good

[split night]

xd

[split night]

just give me, i would love it either way

!!

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari in this rewrite are pretty protray as always tired and stress

[split night]

Which she should has been

she spent 1000 years working on a cure to this decay remember

[split night]

so cool

i love it

[uneven basin]

This is what the anthyrekara computer wanted for the avos

[split night]

yeah and how did it turn out?

[gleaming apex]

I always have thought of 2 options for our behavior in universe:

1. Silent and efficient warrior willing to kill and always taking the most efficient path
2. Insane battle junkie who is always high off of drinking too many potions and kills anything with the slightest justification

[split night]

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uY9EGpFg6kSGK8zil6cMua7i8KXZhDQNSPHnWY_FU1M/edit?usp=sharing

this is pretty oudated so sure

[split night]

YASSSSSS

[hybrid gazelle]

I went on hiatus

but if I were to come back

it probably change a lot

[uneven basin]

Oh I was not arguing I just thought it's funny to see that paralel

[hybrid gazelle]

due my inspiration from Fruma quests

[split night]

I'd love to write with you if I ever got time

[split night]

i know im just saying it to pose a question xd
im sorry if it sound passive aggressive

I've always been the type of wynn player that invested on doing the quest and secret discoveries solely because of the lore

[hybrid gazelle]

I use to draw Lari a lot

[split night]

everything else is a flavour on an ice cream for me

[split night]

I LOVE tired Lari

She look so done with everything which has been potrayed a bit in the RoL questline

[gleaming apex]

To me I always thought of our behavior in-world as depending on the class we chose.
Like a mage class would be the reluctant good guy who just want to learn more magic while a warrior class is the insane battle junkie

[hybrid gazelle]

this was concept art for Lari in ROL rewrite

[uneven basin]

Oh so am I haha

[hybrid gazelle]

these are old stuff lOL

[split night]

acolyte shaman: 👿
summoner shaman:

[uneven basin]

It's good stuff!

[split night]

I love it

[split night]

She is still young bug experienced young, I always imagine the Elf immortality in the game as it pausing their age
not progressing but unchanging

[hybrid gazelle]

the rewrite also explore Lari character with other character like Malo

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but I just wash out Lari color to show how much Dullahan death and other things affect her

[split night]

i would like it if you use one of the guy in the dullahan quest

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari in this take is victim of religionious indoctrination

[split night]

like the guy who know about lari thing

[hybrid gazelle]

where the Light cult have pretty much force pacifist idelaogy onto her

[split night]

pretty much

[hybrid gazelle]

the Aldorei elves are more fucked up in this take because they are pretty much pacifist in the type of "we are better than you" kind of way

[uneven basin]

I like the way how lari herself looks decayed

[hybrid gazelle]

which mean they are not doing because they are good nature

[uneven basin]

Like the light is leaving her eyes and stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

but more of the fact that they think they are above violence

so they just drug the shit out of you

if you try to fight them

[gleaming apex]

An idea I had for a RoL rewrite: what if the reason Orphion doesn't just talk to Lari is that she subconsciously knows what he's gonna say, so she blocks him out with her magic or something without realizing

[hybrid gazelle]

With Fruma information

[split night]

I always dislike that the one time where pacifism work with her was the fact that during the first Elder Elf decide to cut the first guardian of life to open the portal to RoL

If she pushes her pacifism more, all of the world's problem would have been solve and none of those death would have accure and the Decay wouldn't even happen

I'd like to imagine that after learning it through Orphion, is the REASON why she think pacifism is the answer

[hybrid gazelle]

I try to use those if I ever come back to ROL rewrite

[hybrid gazelle]

Prometheus

certainly

done something

[uneven basin]

I always this was the actual text of the game

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I just imagine she constantly burden by guilt and duty that she literally look so unhealthy

[uneven basin]

But I don't like the Prometheus plot

[hybrid gazelle]

fun fact she is literally alcholic in this take

[uneven basin]

Incredible

[hybrid gazelle]

there was a removed scene of you inspecting her camp

and one of them involve crate full of empty wine bottle

[split night]

I kinda head canon that this is the reason why she take pacifism to the extreme end because of the first Elder denial of her request not to cut the first guardian of life

[gleaming apex]

Although the easiest fix I always thought of is that someone ore something just blocked Orphion from contacting her.

[split night]

is it Nemract whiskey?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

elven wine

[split night]

aw

[hybrid gazelle]

she mostly got it from other elves' offering

because she is like important religious figure in their culture

[split night]

it would be hilarious if nemract whiskey just somehow ended up in Lari camp

[hybrid gazelle]

so she often get offering when she visit elven settlement

[hybrid gazelle]

Malo try to invite her for a drink but she deny

[gleaming apex]

I actually had an idea of the elves tossing random stuff into the RoL as an offering lol

[split night]

what if those thing just turn into the thing we see in RoL?

like the branch of leaves thing we fight in here

[hybrid gazelle]

Another character trait I add for Lari in this take
is that her immortality make her subconciously forgetting people name

like not in she not caring about them btw

[split night]

since Void and Dern can morph thing as they get close, i suspect RoL do the same to inanimate object

[hybrid gazelle]

but more of like

[split night]

or living subject ( as in turning them immortal )

[uneven basin]

You know I think lari was chosen because of her pacifism, she was the only elf to interpose herself against the "violence" of Prometheus, and when that doesn't work our battle hardened character was chosen because they could make tough killing decisions

[gleaming apex]

The elves' immortality doesn't prevent them from going senile so that's why they are all stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

she live for 1000+ years and people in Olux at most live like 30 years at most

so they are just a bleep in her life

she probably feel VERY depress about it but yeah

[split night]

Orphion's decision is based on the mistake of what've come before

i think it's fair

[uneven basin]

30 years is a bit short even for olux 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

they are in constant famine

the medicine likely not even good there and rarely come by

[split night]

i would imagine they die to random crap everyday or being turn into golem

[hybrid gazelle]

the people also been exploited by company

30 MIGHT BE TOO LOW

but then again like

I cant see it higher than 40

[split night]

considering how many thing that can kill you exist in this Wynniverse

[uneven basin]

Okay I see the point

[whole river]

i think people are vasty overestimating it

[hybrid gazelle]

I prboably overestimate it but like

[split night]

It's probably the same life expectancy as human before medicine but worse

[hybrid gazelle]

Idont wanna find extact number

so just go around those range

[gleaming apex]

I would have it so there's a few privileged citizens who live well, maybe from llevigar or something, and then the rest just have a terrible time

[whole river]

especially cuz lari is in olux healing people

its absurd to say the average age is 30

[split night]

yeah like those rich people in the chrismas theme quest

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think healing will fix disease and famine

LOL

[whole river]

it does

olux is around after 1000 years of decay

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK how would heal spell remove disease from a body but sure I guess

[whole river]

and they're poor but there's no widespread mass famine massacreing the pop

in any dialogue

[split night]

we can see crop actually growing on these soil so yeah it actually might be true that Lari did help them

[whole river]

lari likely made it easier to farm

[gleaming apex]

Or the other idea is that there the giant walls around Olux, and life inside the walls is ok-ish but life outside is hell

[whole river]

and olux has a huge farmer pop

[split night]

Lari's wall theory

[whole river]

why would they have so many farmers if you couldnt harvest crap

[split night]

not even harvest, i think how would you even grow anything on the decay even

another soul that got hacked o7

poor guy

[hybrid gazelle]

OH wait I forgot

[whole river]

the real answer is olux, like humans in every part of the world, gradually adapted to the shitty conditions

[hybrid gazelle]

my world building do not apply to cnaon lore sometime

FUCK

[gleaming apex]

Maybe the farmers are well protected because they literally make food, but they're exploited because they need the guards or they die

[whole river]

and the fact they have an immortal elf healer helps

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think heal spells cure diease for wynncraft magic system but I might have to ask them about that

[split night]

let's make this a group project
a better RoL story that teaches meaning then we sent to the content team as proposal

[hybrid gazelle]

sorry I uhh

[uneven basin]

Olux hasn't been the way it is for 1000 yrs tho

[hybrid gazelle]

already have a group LOL

[split night]

aw

[gleaming apex]

That one farmer was worrying about having enough money with his ruined crop

[uneven basin]

Decay really kicked in a few centuries ago

[whole river]

500~800 really

but like

no difference

[whole river]

which implies that they can farm there and thats a new development

[split night]

considering how big the dead area in the decay is
it's a miracle that they can even live so near the heart of the decay

[hybrid gazelle]

there is journal implying that the spawns been prevent crop growth

clex's journal

he said how his crops do not grow at all until he made planter

[gleaming apex]

Olux was actually on the verge of collapse but then Bob stopped by and killed all the parasites in the area, saving everyone. #true #no-cap

[whole river]

yeah doesnt that get flushed by the player

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but we talking about pre player tho

[whole river]

cuz yeah you aren't going to convince me that olux has perpetually been unable to grow ANY food for centuries and yet people live there and can somehow be farmers

[split night]

I think it's pretty clear that Lari in some shape or form did help with this

[hybrid gazelle]

also

[split night]

and now that she's gone?
it seem like the town might last for just a little longer

[hybrid gazelle]

Crop failure exist

like this year even

[whole river]

we stopped the decay so its fine at that point

[split night]

yeah, it's just
im still baffled that they can even grow something in here

xd

[gleaming apex]

Bob passed by and the land suddenly became fertile soil again from his mere presence

[hybrid gazelle]

it probably very slow

[split night]

oh yeah right

i forgor

[hybrid gazelle]

we were talking about pre player involvement

[split night]

aura

[gleaming apex]

Bob agenda is too powerful

[whole river]

olux also is like pretty massive

[split night]

considering that Bob never came to gavel
i wonder what would it be like if Bob interacted with Lari

xd

[gleaming apex]

There would be no parasite or decay anymore

[whole river]

I feel like the decay itself isn't too bad for disease

the black plague is more invasive

[split night]

It isn't bad because Lari maintain a bit of resistant to it

I feel like the decay only really started when the bug bit the fox, and then metaphysically come to the plane of physical existence

[gleaming apex]

I wonder why Orphion didn't just give Bob a call and ask if he could pop over for a few minutes and take care of the parasite lol

[hybrid gazelle]

I try to go back to see my old lari fanart

[split night]

Okay I forgot that Orphion have this weird form of communication with the frog thing as well

xD

[split night]

huh maybe Orphion lose contact because of the parasite thing

[whole river]

do wynn elves have ear flapping technology

[hybrid gazelle]

probably

but they always have it up

[split night]

you're making her so cute with the ear thing xd

[gleaming apex]

That's another issue I have, if I lost contact with my god for hundreds of years, I'd probably assume that there's something preventing either me or him from communicating instead of that he just doesn't want to talk

[split night]

he talk to us but not her so she figured that he just doesn't want to talk

[hybrid gazelle]

Parasite infection is just 800 AP thing

[split night]

it's in the RoL

[hybrid gazelle]

so he has 800 years to contact LMAO

[split night]

xD

[gleaming apex]

It's stupid that he actually just didn't want to talk, but that's it's own issue

[split night]

RoL need a lot of rework from the ground up oh my boat

things just doesn't make sense the more we discuss on it

[split night]

she would so well in modern day office job

[gleaming apex]

The only other explanation I see is that he's actually an Aizen level planner and everything so far has been part of his Giga-brain plan for the sake of helping the player get strong enough to fight the Dern Beast

[whole river]

send this woman to a UNIVERSITY

[split night]

considering that he warn the first elder elf not to cut the tree because of his foresight
i'd say he can see multiple timelines, he just doesn't expect that it went to the bad one EVERY time

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I have her work at mcdonald once

orphion is the manager

[whole river]

dont remind me of aldoreis secret its so weird aghhh

[gleaming apex]

Lari actually never got a proper education which is where most of her problems come from

[hybrid gazelle]

dont worry she has the temple to educate her

too fucking bad it's indoctrination

oh yeah fun fact

I literally make elf OC to expand on Lari backstory

[whole river]

why does lari 1) not question the sudden immortality 2) not do anything when her leaders came back and the tree is mysteriously gone

[gleaming apex]

Elves only teach nature magic and getting high

[split night]

it never shown but i felt like she did something at least,
she came to the RoL after the tree was cut after all

[uneven basin]

How do we know she doesn't?

[split night]

she was young as well

xd

[whole river]

cuz they say they're the only ones who kept the secret

[full harness]

He gives me “Todd” vibes

[hybrid gazelle]

They

[whole river]

lari is presumably not included in the elders

[uneven basin]

Lari is in her own league I think

Like of course she know but she's busy girlfailing

[whole river]

does she?

we dont even know that

[gleaming apex]

Maybe the elves have thrown so much weed in the RoL that Orphion is just baked 24/7 and that's why he acts like that

[whole river]

she has like 0 connection with aldorei besides that elder

its weird

[uneven basin]

She was "exiled" wasn't she ?

[whole river]

no

[split night]

Im pretty sure that she know about this but choose not to because can you even imagine when everyone know the Elves was the reason for the portal to be open everywhere else?

[whole river]

she comes back when she needs advice

[whole river]

lari is such a goody two shoes pre-ROL its very hard to imagine she kept the secret of murdering tree-jesus

like fundamentally out of character even

[uneven basin]

Does anyone who's not an elf care?

[full harness]

Lari is the oldest elf still alive we know of right?

[split night]

She did oppose it in the flashback but got shut down by the elders because she was young and then we never see anything after ward

[split night]

yes

[whole river]

yeah i imagine the humans would cuz they're fighting an 1000 year war for it

[split night]

the first elders died

[gleaming apex]

She's a goodie two-shoes because she keeps the secret and doesn't want Bob coming over to turn the elders inside out

[whole river]

afaik yes

[split night]

we saw their graves underneath the town

[whole river]

shes one of the only elves we knew pre-portal around

[full harness]

And we never talk about that ✊🏻😔 rip long lost elf elders

[whole river]

ye thats kinda my issue with it, cuz she gains the scion status after i assume

[split night]

they died for good for me, they are basically the reason for all the shit that happened in the game

xd

all these painful thing that happen to people, the deaths and so much more

[whole river]

you gotta remember lari didnt even kill the parasite (oops early post)

[split night]

did what

[full harness]

How many entities alive currently are older than lari? Like farcor, ozoth, dogun elders, realm beasts

[gleaming apex]

The Aldorei elders getting mail from Bob after he finds out they caused the portals:

[whole river]

i dont see how she'd not like destroy herself over the knowledge that the humans are fighting a war her people created

[split night]

I don't blame on her because she didn't kill all those people herself, it was the parasite that did it

this is like saying the person who can shoot didn't shoot the murderer is the reason for all the death the murderer cause

[whole river]

so i guess she doesn't know the secret or she does and they gotta rewrite her personality

oh i dont blame her im just saying i dont see how she could keep the elf secret

[split night]

huh speaking off, the reason we know that the opening the portal to RoL cause the other portals to open is because the second Elders deduct logically from it

maybe she didn't actually know that cutting the tree was the reason that cause the other portals to happen?

considering the other portals are really far apart

[full harness]

It’s more like a cop, who’s job is to protect the people, with a gun and a clear shot can shoot someone who’s killing and about to kill a lot of people, but is just like “nope”

[gleaming apex]

I mean eventually she would hear about them

[full harness]

Like killing the parasite was basically her duty

She’s not just someone that was walking by that had the ability to do something but didn’t

[split night]

A cop with morality you say, would you kill or would you just shoot the murderer legs or arms to disable them from killing ever again?
That's what Lari trying to do xd

[full harness]

A cop shouldn’t be shooting at their legs cause that’s such a small target and they have a high chance of missing under pressure tbf

[whole river]

i just hope with ROL rework they add lari somewhere to aldoreis secret

[split night]

and so did she, she missed her shot when she try to trap the parasite

[full harness]

Someone else is gonna get hit if a cop is doing something like that

[whole river]

a cool thing to do would be adding lari to part 2 and seeing her reaction but i doubt theyll remove olon

[uneven basin]

Wait you do know she has a cameo in part 2 already ?

[whole river]

i do but not where it counts

[uneven basin]

True true

[whole river]

she should be there in that room as like, the most important elf NPC who would have a reaction about that

[split night]

It's really complicated, discussing gray morality as absolute, I don't like these discussion myself but I'd say that cops are kinda trained to neutralize not kill, if i remember correctly

so did Lari

[gleaming apex]

The issue is that the murderer is a literally unfeeling murder bot but she doesn't realize that yet

[split night]

depend on the country really

xd

[full harness]

Also cops I am pretty sure have training not to do something like that, like they’d probably take a body shot, orphion (at least I hope) gave her some sort of guidance and expectations. Orphion dead ass is like “yo would you kill this person for me if people’s lives are on the line”

[split night]

she think it have a soul so

[whole river]

tbf lari was never told to murder it and given that orphion's powers have a lot of sealing capabilities i think she assumed she was supposed to banish it

[split night]

He gave that guidence to us not her

He let her be blessed because she was the pacifist that oppose to cutting the tree of light and it has been working for 800 years before the parasite came

[whole river]

especially given that orphion pre-parasite never directly wants to "end" the darkness just keep the balance right?

[split night]

yes

Light without dark is blinding
Dark without light is abyss

[whole river]

so yeah lari thinking "oh i just need to seal it and throw it back to its realm" is pretty logical

[full harness]

It’s weird orphion does this, but doesn’t give us a blessing

[split night]

huh? he did

he let us in the tree of light and the realm of light

that was the blessing

[gleaming apex]

Also like why couldn't orphion just send his left antler or smth flying around like the dern beast does with its eye

[split night]

the same one he gave to Lari all those years ago

[split night]

considering the the bug can control you almost immediately after biting in the Raid
I think not

xd

maybe it was designed by the dern beast specifically for orphion

[full harness]

Nobody ever calls us the scion of orphion or says we are blessed though? (In my memory) like I don’t think we were actually given power from Orphion

[split night]

oh you mean given power

I was mentioning he gave us enlightenment

[full harness]

It would be cool though if the reason we can level to 120 is because orphion blesses us and we basically become one of his scions

Like gameplay wise

[split night]

one of the class ultimate have us summoning orphion orb so he did blessed us

[whole river]

lari is alive so i dont know if orphion can transfer that power over to us

[full harness]

The class abilities are def not canon or else you could say bakal blessed us

[split night]

xd

[whole river]

(and yes there's no way we are going to get to dern and lari is going to be dead so i auto-assume she's alive)

[full harness]

I almost spoiled stuff but realized this isn’t story spoiler section

[split night]

in the end, we will get a RoL and SE rework before entering dern

I'd pray for her to be alive even though I'm an absurdist

[whole river]

shhhh

[split night]

wait

fruma

[whole river]

[split night]

say something about it?

oh my boat

im going to die waiting

[full harness]

I will say

[tawdry mural]

fruma

[full harness]

I would love if bakal got lari

[whole river]

bakal is a fraud

[full harness]

And to level up past 120 in dern orphion blesses us

And it breaks our limiter to the new level cap

[whole river]

its kinda hilarious that bakal got beat by lari who has never fought in her life

[split night]

Bak'al bail the Bob fight and he ultimately lost so many aura that I feel like we can beat his ass when we found him

[split night]

Yeah XD

[whole river]

dern beast really needed to cheat to beat the chad orphion scion powers

[split night]

I'm surprised it was an even fight in the first place

[full harness]

She’s fought, just not killed anything

[whole river]

three fights in 1000 years is kinda nothing though

and two she was holding back

[tawdry mural]

a fakeout fight where its revealed bak’al is like level 50 would be hilarious and most definitely not happening

[split night]

she held her ground enough that Bak'al bail a SECOND time

xd

[split night]

Bak'al is such a fraud 😭

[full harness]

Bakal is kinda a clown ngl

We never see him win unless it’s against unnamed detlas citizens

[split night]

bro got blessed by dern beast and lost to Bob who is a human and Lari who fought so rarely in her life

[whole river]

lari with some combat experience would be a threat i see why bakal had to run home to dern-mommy

[split night]

yeah 😭

I like how Bob is just basically One punch man in the wynniverse

he trained really hard and obtain legendary status

[split night]

I feel like
she entering dern is basically her training arc before we found her again

xd

[split night]

I actually would love it if she basically become doom guy in dernic

😭

[whole river]

i need her with an eyepatch STAT

[upbeat folio]

I'm pretty sure we could 1 shot this guy

all talk

[split night]

For real 😭

especially when we already beat Bob at this point in the story

[whole river]

post eye i def think we can pose a challenge

[upbeat folio]

unironically though, it could show how weak and how much of a coward he is, which is pretty in theme

[full harness]

I think it’s safe to say Bakal is lvl 80 fodder

[split night]

he's basically facing someone who BEAT Bob

[whole river]

post-fruma yeah hes cooked

[upbeat folio]

+1

[full harness]

We didn’t beat bob tho

[split night]

he's using morph set to fight us but didn't even complete it

[full harness]

That’s not really him

[split night]

a projection of him i guess

[full harness]

Right?

If we find out bob really was just level 75 trash I’d cry

[split night]

it's probably a weaker projection of him i think

[upbeat folio]

I haven't seen the beta so if this is answered in quests please just say so but, what is the reason for the player to just go back after witnessing the Dern portal?

[split night]

since the real him is doing something to keep the province alive in a way

[upbeat folio]

like is it just "oh well I can't do nothing here" and we just go back in Detlas?

[full harness]

What I want to happen^

[split night]

Queen send a discord ping to player and we have to go back

[full harness]

Vs what will happen ^ 😭

[upbeat folio]

lmao

[upbeat folio]

isn't this p much confirmed (at least the first part) by the letters to Nilrem and the fantastic voyage?

[split night]

OH MY BOAT
are we witnessing Lari and Bob TEAM UP? xd

[full harness]

Imagine, Lari finds Bob in dern and is there waiting for us! Then we go in a group of 3 with tasim and someone else strong, they die and it’s Tasim, Us, Lari, and Bob vs dern beast raid

Imagine the aura cutscenes

[gleaming apex]

Bob has actually been fighting the Dern Beast for however many years straight. He needs Lari so he can swing her around like a mace and hit the dern beast with light power

[full harness]

Of us fighting our way through dern

[split night]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cinema-absolute-absolutecinema-9EvnXdZaUZbCqScn67

it would make for the perfect ending of the game
we wouldn't kill dern beast, we just beat it ass back to submission

[full harness]

Yeah that’s what I based part of that on, but I took liberties like with old man bob still being alive waiting for us, having 3 pet kantyr

[upbeat folio]

Would be peak

[split night]

mount everest wouldn't peak as high as this

[gleaming apex]

For the sake of the Bob agenda though, Lari accidentally got hit by a stray spell from Bob's fight and got turned into ashes

[full harness]

Yeah that’s what I said, we weaken him enough to seal him and restore balance

[gleaming apex]

Except it's not really a fight because the dern beast is desperately running away from Bob

New idea: Bob wants to kill the dern beast but we have to stop him and Bob is the true final boss

[split night]

I think this would not only restore the balance but the portal still need to be closed for everything to actually be solved
sealing her wouldn't be enough

[gleaming apex]

So that the universe isn't completely out of balance

[full harness]

Just imagine we get a cutscene of lari and bakal crash landing through the portal into Dern, before the Dern Beast. He finally decides to empower Bakal, tipping the scales in his favor, when Bob shows up and distracts Bakal, giving them enough time to run for it and wait for us and Tasim to arrive to seal the beast and beat down empowered bakal and his swarms on our way there

[split night]

then dern beast just eat bak'al to get all her power back

after we beat him

xd

[full harness]

Not if we eat him first

Nom nom nom!

[whole river]

iirc its not activated thats why

[full harness]

All 4 of us grab one of bakal’s limbs and eat him before dern beast has a chance to get their power back

There’s so much cool stuff they could do with Dern if the server is still around in 8 years 😭

[split night]

I think I might get married by then so I still got time to see it happen

[full harness]

Wynncraft players will be trying to convince their grandkids to level a class to 150 when Dern drops to create a raid team 😭

[split night]

I'm telling my adoptive kids to grind wynncraft 12 years later

[spring kernel]

when pfinder is completely empty so i go wake up my stupid chud son to raid with me

[full harness]

After slapping him awake and telling him it’s time to be productive of course

[split night]

I hope the server last though

it's just a good game that exist within minecraf

we otherwise would have no way to replay it if the server got shut down

[full harness]

When you’re encouraging your kids to go to college to get a good career so they can keep your favorite server alive by buying sbull shares and prof bombs

[split night]

kid better be buying their parent champion rank and some shares

[full harness]

I’ll have them grinding profs and lootrunning to farm me le on my account for their chores

[split night]

peak parenting

[full harness]

I heard @spring kernel had a kid for this sole purpose

He has a 5 kid plan, where they will each grind his account in rotations, to become the richest wynner there ever was

[split night]

life goal

[full harness]

Now that’s ambition

[spring kernel]

i have 3 children in every timezone so i can always force them to raid with me

[full harness]

24 hour up time

[split night]

send them to university in different country for this purpose

[full harness]

Also what are your thoughts on this since you’re the lore nerd? (Don’t click on this if you don’t want to see fruma spoilers): #🛑story_spoilers message

[split night]

This is better writing than the RoL questline, I love it 😭
Malo is such a fellow, almost on bar with my favorite character seaskipper captain

[spring kernel]

it's a good thing to think about. I think more will be answered when the fruma post boss interactions are added but keep theorizing

[full harness]

Alright alright. I just find it confusing cause he plays for a different team than he’s in and we don’t know where all his power comes from

[split night]

I wish wynncraft have a mob journal
like checking in Undertale/Deltarune and it give some description about the mob we fought/kill
i see them doing it to item lore
so it would be really peak if we can see journal of mob we killed like in hollow knight

It actually might make slaying miniquest more engaging

cuz like, there would be pieces of lore as a reward for slaying a bunch of them

[full harness]

That’s actually a cool idea

Extra lore tidbits for those who care

And it’d be a low effort way to add more lore without needing to make new discoveries or quests or whatever

[lavish knot]

Wouldn't it be more effort than discoveries considering there's a lot of enemies in the game?

[full harness]

Ig it would be a lot of work, but it’s a cool idea if they wanted to take the time to add it

Give us a corkian camera so we can snap a photo of the mob to have it count towards completion and get the information/picture of it in the mob journal (like botw or totk)

[split night]

I think once they get a system running
all they need to do is make an item and add item lore to it

preferably the item the mob drop will be their icon

It's one way to do it i think

i uh, i made an illustration

[full harness]

If this feature isn’t added by the time fruma releases in march I am lobbying to have everyone cancel their sbull subscription for a whole month

[split night]

xd

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1019649786799996980

i made a feedback

i hope they went through because i'd LOVE to know more about the world via the main way we play the game

[mossy badge]

Would be cool, sad they don't give a fuck about lore now, only silverbull syndidcates

[split night]

i swear if they lock this optional feature behind a rank

Corkus tablet

Im calling it Corkus Tablet

so cool

[full harness]

@spring kernel is this all you care about!? Our money? I bet they been paying CT fat stacks all of these years and lying about it. Y’all are rich and rolling in it, but still trying to squeeze out every last drop of money we have

[spring kernel]

silverbull syndicate is annoying

it only makes some sort of sense on 2/5 raids

[mossy badge]

Thanks for the spoiler bro

[mossy badge]

(I alr spoiled myself with the raid anyway)

[split night]

it would be so peak

[mossy badge]

The problem with ur suggestion is there are too many mobs, and they don't have any lore

[spring kernel]

a journal like that would be pretty peak, unfortunately i think wynn has accumulated like genuinely over a thousand enemies

[split night]

Then do something simple with them!

something like

[mossy badge]

Maybe if similar mobs would have the same stuff

[full harness]

I was thinking it would make more sense to do it with named lore characters, enemies, npcs

Instead of just all mobs

[mossy badge]

Grootslang number #6 having slightly different description 🔥 ✍️

[split night]

yeah
i don't expect them to write different lore for diffrent kind of worm in olux

xd

[full harness]

Like snap a photo of farcor and get a lore tidbit and photo in your journal

[split night]

unless they are crazy like team cherry

[mossy badge]

Lowk ye

[split night]

It's a peak idea that need thinking but really worth working on because the content team writers are gonna have a blast

[lavish knot]

Also consider the fact that games that do enemy bios get to do them because there's a manageable amount

[split night]

huh how many enemy type exist in wynncraft

[mossy badge]

Generate ai description for wonncraft mobs 🗣️ 🔥

[lavish knot]

For Wynn to be able to do that, there's gonna be a lot of overlap

No.

[mossy badge]

WynnGPT generate me random bird #6 lore 🤖

[split night]

I would burn whoever uses AI for this

😭

[full harness]

Wonncraft!

[full harness]

Simple answer would be to just delete 99% of all wynncraft mobs

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[full harness]

So mob journal can be made more comfortably

[split night]

I think it should work on over time instead of all at once instantly xd

they just update the journal just a little bit every small change log

[full harness]

^

[split night]

it wouldn't take much if they have a good system running for example, item dropped by said mob with lore in it inside content book

[split night]

😭

they can also go this route too if necessary

Actually im gonna start making a word doc about every mob i encounter and think of a description for them
tis is just so peak i have to do it myself

[mossy badge]

Apply for ct

💡

[full harness]

Under “Mob Journalist” section

[split night]

I wouldn't dream of anything more

[slender copper]

Memory Paranoia is a very interesting quest, because it introduces the player getting possessed (again), but it also shows how the player is such a conductor for all kinds of energies. I mean, the player keeps on warping in and out of the mansions past and the present day while STANDING STILL at the doorway. And from what the dialog suggests, the energies used us to project the past through voices, and our boy was able to understand everything. The fact that only this specific side quest shows voices being involved in our possession is quite interesting... which also makes me think if something like this will happen again.

[split night]

so far Player is one of the only things that can witstand the effect of corruption in really close range
the quest where a town live near a corruption spike experience some extreme mood changes show that we're beyond human

[full harness]

Memory paranoia was my favorite quest when it released, was at that point ahead of its time with the cutscenes, but nowadays remains pretty outdated, they just slapped a lari cutscene at the end

[split night]

even when hurt we don't get taken by the corruption as well

[mossy badge]

W lari cutscene

[full harness]

L ari

[uneven basin]

That might be because we aren't getting ling time expisure

[split night]

did you just give up on "o"

xd

[uneven basin]

Yes I type too fast and they're really close to each other xD

[lavish knot]

Also something I've noticed while 100% the game

[split night]

i mean it doesn't explain how we aren't infected when we get hurt within the root of the corruption and walk it off

[slender copper]

I feel like with the introduction to Fruma and their amazing models, that some of the other quests (probably mostly main story quests) that are going to be revisited and redone to fit with the current style. But tbh, it's a vibe with the old animations lol.

[lavish knot]

The player just able to see into the past, a lot

[split night]

oh yeah

like, they can just envision the past when they are near some historic places

and so far no one has this capability without using some form of crystal or spell

[lavish knot]

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 stuff

[split night]

is the power just innate within us? xd

What even are we?

[mossy badge]

Simply a difference of skill

[cursive knot]

Headcanon: the player is an eldritch entity beyond understanding by Wynncraft's inhabitants, taking the form of a human.

[lavish knot]

Some of the ultimate disc has an orb, but the regular ones do just have ghosts or flashbacks

[tawdry mural]

my personal headcanon on why the player cant be corrupted is that they are too dense or stubborn to be corrupted

[split night]

we're, the player
a god of somekind in habit the form of a human in game

[split night]

oh yeah that would make sense for the hunter's calling quest as well

xd

[mossy badge]

We are charlie kirk

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-gi-hun-gif-9726616331915977988

[tawdry mural]

“horrors beyond my comprehension? thats fine i wont comprehend them!”

[split night]

I would like to zone out of this conversation at the mention of that thing

[mossy badge]

I feel you, and eldritch entity is pretty scary

[split night]

I'd love to comprehend one and go insane

Like I want the awareness that I'm insane xd

such is the life of an absurd person

[lavish knot]

Player memory wipe is different to see into the past better trust

[split night]

I think the fact that we can create 12 seperate timeline of the same character
I think the memory orb explode because it just get overload by the memories from what come before and what to come

this is getting a little bit meta

[cursive knot]

I'm in aldorei town rn, and the item identifier DOESN'T have a secret potato stash, smh immersion ruined...

[split night]

how do you know the item identifier doesn't have a secret potato stash? maybe he hid it really well

[cursive knot]

He has carrots.

[tawdry mural]

maybe he ate it all

[cursive knot]

what the light?!

[split night]

traitor to the identifier kind

[cursive knot]

while im at it, I think the item unidentifier should be a super secret boss altar

[split night]

oh my boat is this gonna be another ??? with Yahya again

xd

[cursive knot]

tribute: 5 rare potatoes

[gleaming apex]

I always thought we were an insane battle junkie who is constantly high AF from drinking too many buff potions, and we just connect easier because of that

[split night]

Drug Addict theory

[keen relic]

If he kills you he unidentifies a random item of yours

[split night]

That would be so insanely useful

like OP even

[tawdry mural]

"oh no i died please dont identify my five rerolled mythic pleeeease"

[split night]

xd

it would literally be abused to death

literally

[keen relic]

Maybe keep the reroll # to make it mildly balanced

[split night]

that would be insanely hurt to die

imagine mythic unidentified with [5]

😨

[keen relic]

Just don't die, ez 😎

[split night]

2 more weeks and march will end

fruma

oh

i'm dying, my hopium is running out

[violet anvil]

me omw to freeze with my 94% mainscale stardew on

[mossy badge]

Better than rushing the update

[split night]

I agree

but

🥺

[tawdry mural]

ive played the beta and let me tell you the wait is worth it

[split night]

I knowwwww

even if the whole update is just the tooltip UI

[tawdry mural]

i loved the reveal when the queen is actually dating the dern beast (trust)

[split night]

it added at least 50 hours of content

[split night]

Doomed yuri

[tawdry mural]

i really wanna talk about the yaoi but i will get smited for that

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262012380878340096/1432153371174899793/Cursed_Renda_Langit.gif

[lavish knot]

Queen and Dern beast have weekly card games frfr

[tawdry mural]

the queen rules fruma in an effort to get her ex's (the players) attention

this is why the player got so memory wiped you see the queen and the player once dated

[split night]

tbh, before i know SE was a thing I thought Fruma have the dark portal when i first play RoL4 and I theorize that Queen worship Dern

I was wrong

[tawdry mural]

i remember that was a theory floating around

[split night]

natural convergence of logical thinking really

[tawdry mural]

fascinating isnt it

[split night]

im reading the RoL rewrite and i gotta say

it's so peak

it's just too peak

i love it

[candid cliff]

what

where rol rewrite

@split night

I thought only AJB/F got changed

[split night]

no it's just fanfiction

[candid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-wallop-gnome-big-mallet-gif-12542184416097000290

[split night]

give this a read it's really good

[paper wyvern]

I would say something but it's actually a somewhat reasonable assumption dern beast is female cause it's supposed to be a reflection of orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

It old stuff

[split night]

i thought in one of the secret discovery Orphion kinda refer to her as she

[paper wyvern]

No actually orphion calls dern beast an it

[split night]

non binary dern breast

[paper wyvern]

"Yet more frivolities from the shade. What possesses it to waste its energy to speak empty promises, I wonder."

[mossy badge]

So is orphion talkin about fruma queen or wat when he says like "her influence must be stopped"

[split night]

yeah that raid dialog too

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh if I ever manage to get back to make new rol rewrite

I gonna try to limit quests to 5 or 6

Rol is story thst I feel like need another quest to make it feel more slowburn and develop lari character

While also has realms shit exposition gojng on

[split night]

yeah 8 quest for the raid is almost as long as colossus raid questline

[hybrid gazelle]

From what I see they aim to keep 5 quests structure in the official rol rrwrite

Personally not agree to that because I feel like it very construct the story but we will see

Rol 3 is hardest to remake

Because the backstory is the whole point of the quest

[split night]

please i pray to entropy they do the rewrite of RoL right otherwise i would cry

[hybrid gazelle]

But the thing is that

Trying to make backstory gameplay thing just

It hard to do to fit everything in especially if you have Lari throw into it

I remember having to split the quest in half

So Dullahan is a villain in 2 quests

[split night]

they need to give RoL questline some extra quest otherwise the pacing would be thrown off

[hybrid gazelle]

It such a pity because

I enjoy writing back and forth between Dullahan and lari so much

But I feel like that extend the quest wayyy too much

And it feel so drag out with cutscene invovle

[split night]

it would make people complain about it like the 52 diaglog thing

im fine with it because im a lore enjoyer i eat this thing 10 times over and not feeling bored

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma story is good because you don’t even know how long dialogues are

And I feel like lari and Dullahan back and forth would make it enjoyable

One of my idea is that Dullahan manage to trap you and Lari in the memory painting to judge Lari for what she did

So there would be actual back and forth between them

And it would look like Dullahan hellbent on getting revenge on Lari as perfect as possible by make her see her past mistake

[split night]

I really like that killing dullahan was what push Lari to her limit

it make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

The thing I want to do for next rewrite is that “how do I use every part of the quest efficiently as much as posisble”

Cause that what fruma story did

[split night]

please submit this as a suggestion

if you actually finished it

[hybrid gazelle]

My idea is that player and lari habe conflict with one and another where player want to kill Dullahan

While lari want to simply left him alone because she will eventually find cure

Lari entire motive stem from her immortality

She believes every problem can be fixed give another time

And she has eternity

However her immorality make her not considering people like Dullahan literally far too broken to be fix

His mind probably gone at this point

Even she did find a cure

[split night]

Yeah I got it from the story, I get what direction you were going with it

It have a clear direction, good motives and everything

It really is a lot better than what we have in the game at the moment

[hybrid gazelle]

I think one of the standing point in this rrwrite is that

Lari have to kill Dullahan

I like the idea of lari witnessing how much Dullahan has change and gone through because of her mistake and flawed isekai tu

Being forced to confront tjose things

Force her to finally get over and kill Dullahan to put him out of misery

[split night]

It REALLY is a lot better than trying to kill us out of jealousy

[hybrid gazelle]

I really REALLY want to add lari fight

[split night]

and also it's really weird that Lari didn't accompany us with the Dullahan quest in game
it feel like we intrude a memory that need her to be here

[hybrid gazelle]

But with this idea idk where to put it

Yeha

[gleaming apex]

Dullahan quest is one of the worst story quests in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah it just

[gleaming apex]

Literally just an exposition dump

[hybrid gazelle]

God rol 3 probably the worst stinker of the storyline

[split night]

It's like hearing a guy who just got dumped by a girl lashing out at us

[hybrid gazelle]

Honeslty problem with this current take rn is

[split night]

literally

[hybrid gazelle]

How would I put Lari fight

So basically you got player and Lari trapped in memory painting

One of the idea in my head rn is to make Lari having mental breakdown in the painting

So it not really a fight

But more of survive lol whcih si what og fight in rol ;4 is like

The reason I want to move lari fight into 3

Rather than 4

Is because it simply allow more space for more developed lari in later part

Because since I move her development to rol 3

There literally 0 point of her fighting you

Onward

[split night]

I think survive Lari fight is fine since in game it's kind of like it already

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea player being the one that try to push lari to kill Dullahan and that is what trigger the fight

I will explain more later

Because there was a set up in previous part

Honeslty I did biggest mistake by discussing HH first and not other earlier part

[gleaming apex]

What if someone requests we kill Dullahan, we fight him and are about to finish him off and Lari comes in right then?

Would fit with how we basically kill anything with the smallest justification

[split night]

Don't set yourself too low, after reading the whole thing I'd say this rewrite feel much more natural and flow more well
It feels more coherent than Canon RoL

[full harness]

I never mean to kill, it just happens on accident

I just meant to knock them out

[gleaming apex]

It's really a skill issue on the animals part that they dared to have a yellow name within 15m of me

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly I prefer if lari come to save us cause

Dullahan got some broken shit ability

Literally in what we know rn

Soul magic user is fucking broken

Therr are 2 instances of them exist which is Dullahan and Dramele

[split night]

he can manipulate soul I wonder if you can twist it such that he actually got a hold of her for a moment and after we beat her she come back to her senses

[hybrid gazelle]

Dramele case literally habe the entire guild of Sodeta to get him

And they failed

And this is fucking Dramele btw

The nobody

Like who the fuck even remember Dramele

[gleaming apex]

But we didn't lol. I think we're just built different

[hybrid gazelle]

Imagine Dullahan

[split night]

idek remember who Dramele is

[gleaming apex]

I remember dramele

[split night]

😭

[gleaming apex]

Because the parkour was glitched and I was raging

[split night]

oh

the guy with the parkour

yeah somethign weird happen when you use escape spell on it

[hybrid gazelle]

I think having Dullahan taking your soul and lari saving you is probably good way but end it off

I rather habe player being saved than other character kill steal them

Some player ego just too fragile sorry

[earnest prairie]

it feel like Dullahan’s conclusion would honestly end better in a dungeon or raid storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

No Becuase like

We ain’t getting gavel dungeon

[earnest prairie]

gives us more room for trying to flesh out our decision maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

And no way they add 3 fucking raid

[split night]

I have a suggestion!!
What if earlier part, Lari got her soul just controlled a bit and you have to beat her for her to get back to her senses
and then later she save you by ending Dullahan?

[hybrid gazelle]

For 1 storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

Hmmm

[gleaming apex]

Maybe us attempting to kill Dullahan makes her so mad she decides to fight you to see what exactly Orphion sees in you

[hybrid gazelle]

I will consider this

[hybrid gazelle]

That was already an idea

But I feel like Ari idea have some potential

I will take it under consideration after discussion with friends

[split night]

(I'm auree)

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

Auree

[split night]

Ari is my archer character name

I need immersion so

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I rather not turn Dullahan into raid or dungeon cause

Dungeon is old ass system that make every villain into a bum

Name a single dungeon boss rhat is not a fucking bum

And raid is like

[split night]

I feel like it would just look like time lost sanctum

[hybrid gazelle]

Are you seriously want Dullahan raid???? Like

[split night]

I HATE all of the dungeon

[hybrid gazelle]

That fucking guy??? Who is like 2 block talk at best???

[split night]

Raid did it so SO much better

[split night]

xD

[hybrid gazelle]

I can assure Dullahan gonna cover in particle

[split night]

2 block tall Dullahan Raid

[hybrid gazelle]

If I can rarely see fucking Orphion

I ain’t seeing Dullahan especially with fruma vfx

So Dullahan raid is a no

Also raid itself take like year and a half now a day

Like that how long raid take

If you want a good raid like wartorn palace

Just for one single raid

That how demanding raid is

[split night]

I think something is just better remain as cutscene
also Raid usually reserve for apocalypstic event kind of danger

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

Beside we got nol

[split night]

I don't think Dullahan even with soul power can beat the rest of gavel xd

[hybrid gazelle]

Even then Dullahan just

Gonna be such an awful raid boss

[split night]

2 block tall mean 2 block tall hitbox

my arrow storm is gonna hit 1% dps

[hybrid gazelle]

Even I am being generous

And have him on horse back

At best 4-5 blocks tall

That barely anything compare to orphion

[celest falcon]

That’s right, Wynn Excavation raid

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion and Parasite is like small as raid boss can get

[split night]

Considering where he is trapped ( a small bedroom )
i don't think it would even work

xd

[split night]

😭

4 phases boss really

[hybrid gazelle]

This could be interesting but too bad cause I think Wynnex is before notg

I think notg should stay as lowest level raid

[split night]

Yeah

Even if wynnex is apocalypstic, it is just too early in the game for it to be a raid

[hybrid gazelle]

I have idea for Wynnex

[celest falcon]

Level 70, right between NOTG and NOL

[hybrid gazelle]

I just morr passion for rol

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh shit really?

Damn now I kinda conflicted

[split night]

Huah

[cursive knot]

wynn getting a raid would be hype

[split night]

okay i am wrong i would like to take back my statement and take a badge of shame

[cursive knot]

imagine jungle temple theme transitioning into ancient olm city

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider design I habe plan for Amadel

[split night]

What the heck happened to him 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay so rrwrite lore for this

Instead of crystal, they were replaced by olmic artifact that the olms use to escape Dern

[split night]

woaw so is he dernic related

[hybrid gazelle]

However during their escape, their artifact would be infected by darkness

Turning it into livin creature

[split night]

call it

[hybrid gazelle]

The olms panic so they shatter the artifact across space and time

That why they are scatter throughout Wynn

And each piece impact history in one way or another

When Amadel reform the artifact, the it would reawaken and infect him

[split night]

I always wanted old man martyn to come back as some point he just appear in one or two quest and never again when he said "may we meet again" like what the bell

[hybrid gazelle]

Overtaken his nervous system

[split night]

maybe old man martyn can do something with this?

[hybrid gazelle]

And burst out of his body

I will be real

I have 0 fucking idea what to do with old man Martin