📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

I been holding out on this

[neon saffron]

well thats cause its in the literal center

[hybrid gazelle]

I kinda wanna see remake corrupted village as isntead of stopping corruption from corrupting the ivllage

into you dealing with the aftermath

[paper wyvern]

Why is the city that's 5 feet from the center of the apocalypse an economic powerhouse who the fuck knows

[hybrid gazelle]

liek you need to clear out this city and evacuate all the survivors

destry the spike to prevent growth

but in the end many lives were lost

[neon saffron]

I love how throughout the whole game I never feel like a soldier (except for flight in distress, but thats just cause flight in distress is awesome like that)

[hybrid gazelle]

this is my take on it

like this is my take

Detlas being economic center of wynn

due to the fact that it presences allow easier trading route

Ragni can send its export to Detlas

and later on be distribute to other cities

and not just Ragni have to travel

ALLLL THE WAY

to to cities like Nemract or Almuj

and vice versa for other city

[paper wyvern]

It's honestly kinda hilarious that the land route from nessak to detlas literally goes next to the roots

[neon saffron]

honestly given the corruption nemract should be the economic center, especially considering gavel

[slim belfry]

yeah it's a strategic point of trade

[paper wyvern]

Ancient nemract was the economic center

[hybrid gazelle]

My theory on this is the villager intentioanlly neglect nemract just so they can have the leader right to Detlas that rebuild from scratch

[gleaming apex]

What I think would make the whole thing way better without massive lore changes is if they made the entire wall around Roots of Corruption as tall as the Detlas walls on the Detlas side, but you know still mostly broken

[hybrid gazelle]

so now they have control over Detlas through villager represntative

[gleaming apex]

To show the measures they go through to stop the corruption

[paper wyvern]

Villager interactions also has to take into account that yes wynnex is still part of the lore

[hybrid gazelle]

instead of helping Nemract and Nemract stay as human ruled settlement

[neon saffron]

also

why are they just okay?

[hybrid gazelle]

CT said it's because

[slim belfry]

river

[hybrid gazelle]

of river geographically

and I honestly

honestly i dont really buy into that bullshit but like it fine enough

[gleaming apex]

Because river taste better then lava

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess corruption just

really HATE water

this further in my theory

[paper wyvern]

I just go by talking mushroom dialogue

[hybrid gazelle]

is that corruption itself is wynncord made manifest

[slim belfry]

LOL

[gleaming apex]

They should just divert the river to surround the roots at that point

[formal bridge]

Corruption is vampires confirmed, it can't cross running water

[hybrid gazelle]

this make even more sense in Fruma update if you know what i mean

[formal bridge]

That's why the river barrier works in gavel too, the decay is also vampires

[neon saffron]

damn I was about so say it might be because of Ethe, but didnt they change that to Ethe having lived in nivla village

[slim belfry]

I was about to say lol

[paper wyvern]

Whatever being of great power the talking mushroom is on about makes more lore sense honestly

[hybrid gazelle]

that probalby work too I guess

[gleaming apex]

What if Lari's long lost cousin Iral maintains the river barrier there

[hybrid gazelle]

Nah it all just scout raynauld

he is just that good

Annie shake in its boot when Raynauld arrive

[neon saffron]

the goat

hes why they succeeded against anni in 985

[formal bridge]

Reynauld just gets given a gatling gun and single handedly beats anni

[gleaming apex]

Also why did Theorick need to freeze himself, just jump in the river lol since it's apparently completely impervious to corruption

[paper wyvern]

I mean everything the talking mushroom says should be taken with a grain of salt cause the guy will just make up things so you can't really take it as part of the lore at face value but yknow

[hybrid gazelle]

Scout Raynauld according to the lore for some reason

THIS MAN

TAKE DOWN CORRUPTION SPIKE

WITH JUST BOW AND ARROW

[neon saffron]

you cant even damage it without him

[hybrid gazelle]

like

the same spike that we need magical TNT to blow it up

Raynauld just use fucking bow and arrow and pop it like ender crystal

like wtf

[formal bridge]

Reynauld is the secret twelth sovereign

[gleaming apex]

Wait actually what if the spikes were literally weakened by the magical river that prevents corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

The reason Bak'al did come to wynn after Bob is gone is because of Raynauld

he know Raynauld would be here

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean if we know magical river did indeed exist

butl ike

it WAYYY funnier to think that Raynauld just that good

[formal bridge]

Reynauld 360 noscopes Bak'al when he shows up

[gleaming apex]

I mean it's kinda weird how the corruption just hard stops at the river banks

[neon saffron]

ok theory time, the river flows north from nessaak, and we know for sure that theoricks ice repels corruption, and since the river is likely that same ice melted, the river could genuinly be magically fighting the corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al after 4 seconds of fighting Raynauld

[split night]

since salted is one of the creator
are those painting of him in the game be canonically considered a picture of jesus

[formal bridge]

Snowmelt ftw

[hybrid gazelle]

no becuase jesus is son of god

so Salted painitng is morel ike

god himself

as far as we know

[formal bridge]

I feel like this is a theological debate that caused several heresies

[hybrid gazelle]

Salted od not fuck

I MIGHT BE WRONG ofc

but as far as the public know

Salted did not fuck

so we do not have Jesus equlivant yet

[split night]

i mean what about the cow guy in one of the quest

[hybrid gazelle]

but consider his stance of being the owner of Wynncraft

It's highly unlikely we will get Jesus equalivent of Wynncraft

[neon saffron]

drale?

[hybrid gazelle]

no he is an alien

he just an alien

who happen to look like cow

he is like

demon of babylon in sheep clothing

[split night]

cow originated from outerspace canonically??

[neon saffron]

who are you to say the son of god cant be an alien

[hybrid gazelle]

no

Woc are just alien

who happen to be like cow

and they also happen to be anmed Cow but backward

[split night]

they are suspiciously cow

[hybrid gazelle]

Unless it comfirm that Salted give birth to Dale

I gonna put that theory on hold

[hybrid gazelle]

convergent evolution

they just HAPPEN to look like cow

and not a cow

[split night]

okay good point

[hybrid gazelle]

if you only judge thing by its apperance

then you miss what truly matter deep inside

Genetic code

[split night]

yeah yeha i got it xd

[neon saffron]

if god is canonically a cow it isnt unreasonable for all species to eventually evolve into cow

[hybrid gazelle]

not really because that imply that like

every spieces in the world is evolve from human according to chirstian text

so like

no

they would nto evovle at all actually

[neon saffron]

not from, into

[hybrid gazelle]

oh

into uhh

no because crab exist

[formal bridge]

Then god is a crab

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[formal bridge]

Jinx

[neon saffron]

well then now we know, christianity is wrong because god is crab

[hybrid gazelle]

also btw

there are more religion in wynncraft

like VIllagers imply to have their own religion

that oddly sound smilar to chirstianity

[neon saffron]

do we know what they worship?

[hybrid gazelle]

with nine hell and like whatever

we dont know

it something about their old monarchy system

[split night]

there are suspiciously more crab like convergence evolution

is god a crab? xd

[hybrid gazelle]

there also elves with the light

I GUESS DWARVES you could count that they worship their ancestor and legacy???

[split night]

for now?
it's confirmed that the elf worthship orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

You could say that

So yeah

we got some couple religion here

[formal bridge]

They worship the almighty emerald

[hybrid gazelle]

We got wynn human
villager
elves
dwarves

we know corkian has no god

because they are reddit chud

cause only reddit chud would love steampunk asthetic

also fruma too because they worship the queen

[neon saffron]

ok so religions, humans have cow, villagers have idk, elves have orphion, doguns have Garaheth and Colussus, and what else

[split night]

corkian is more like 90' electricity for me

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah doguns too

dwarves have hteir ancestor and legacy

if you lok it at certain angle

[split night]

what about those squid people in nesaak

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma humans worship the queen

taht we know

[hybrid gazelle]

0 idea

[neon saffron]

Avo worship like nature itself and stuff right?

[formal bridge]

Technically wynn excavation is a cult around Amadel

[hybrid gazelle]

also honestly seeing the queen

I kinda get it

[split night]

She just got that freedom in her eyes

[azure tangle]

you are getting catfished

wait until she takes off her makeup

[paper wyvern]

We have bovemists
Light worshippers
God queen of fruma
Whatever doguns and garroth is

[formal bridge]

Then she gets even more attractive, duh

[hybrid gazelle]

doguns worship both colossus and garaheth

OH YEAH

[split night]

huh
what about Ba'lak and Corruptor of world?
they worthship the dark

[hybrid gazelle]

ASHMORD ALSO ONCE WORSHIP COLOSSUS

until they fall

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but like

that one single guy

you cant make religion base on one single guy LOL

[neon saffron]

do the avo have anything?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

avo dont have anything

[split night]

nature

[paper wyvern]

CoW isn't intelligent and Bakal is just employed by dern beast

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean they live with nature I guess

[split night]

they kinda worthship that one totem in the tribe leader house

[paper wyvern]

Yeah avo have some type of shamanistic religion

[hybrid gazelle]

did they??? because I though it just something that public can use

but sure

[neon saffron]

there should be a group that worships a pantheon, I think it would be pretty cool

[hybrid gazelle]

I can see that

[paper wyvern]

Corkus without being confirmed is reddit aethist

[formal bridge]

Corruptor seems a bit too mindless for that, and Bak'al is a pissy little baby who I don't see genuinely worshipping Dern. He's just an opportunist

[split night]

oh yeah what about Almuj

[hybrid gazelle]

THEY ARE REDDIT AETHEIST

[hybrid gazelle]

same as the rest of wynn

I guess

sand kingdom worship their emperor

but they die

so who give a fuck

[split night]

oh right

xd

[neon saffron]

they probably had like an egypt style god emperor thing

there was like a wierd dern cult thing in the twain graveyard

[split night]

i always wondered whether or not the 4 powerful crystal is a product of dark
since the guy who consumed 4 of them just went crazy and become a being with a lot of power that resemble the dark

or it's just similar

[formal bridge]

Nah that's weird cosmic magic

Amadel just went a bit cookoo and it's an early quest with a bit shaky writing

[split night]

the green one seem to transform villager into gert

[paper wyvern]

Actually light and dark are mentioned in wynnex and crystals are neother

[hybrid gazelle]

trust me lore of wynncraft will get better when fruma ocme out

I can assure you

[paper wyvern]

Honestly cosmic magic is the weirdest part of the wynn magic system

[hybrid gazelle]

like just stick around

[neon saffron]

the gylia meteors and the crystals are seprate no?

[paper wyvern]

Even with fruma taken into account

[formal bridge]

Coamic magic is just the randomize butron manifest

[paper wyvern]

Although fruma does solidify the rest of the magic system a lot better

[formal bridge]

"Turn villagers into weird hungry monsters? Yeah sure why not"

[paper wyvern]

Cosmic is still weird

[neon saffron]

well we know it drives people insane thats like the only thing we know about it for sure

[split night]

huh i thought that secret discovery explain the way gert exist one day because of the meteor or crystal

[paper wyvern]

Both are cosmic magic

[formal bridge]

It's all meteors

[split night]

yeah so i just assume consume 4 make you insane, being near 1 just turn you into a weird, cannibal

[neon saffron]

yeah the gerts got insane cause of the meteors

[formal bridge]

Just different ones

You have the four wynn ones that the Olm used somehow or other and then the two in Gylia which caused all the weirds to appear there

[paper wyvern]

Don't forget the various meteors

[formal bridge]

Yeah there's also just a bunch of minor ones dotted around the map

[split night]

though, why 4 crystal?
we have 6-7 element ( if you count dark and neutral as elements )
the colour of the crystals seem to resemble 4 of the element

[paper wyvern]

And the fact that gavel has an organization for dealing with them because of the insanity thing

[split night]

there is also a spot near the silent expanse with all 4 crystal next to each other as well

[neon saffron]

probably cause the olm had all of them

or was it just the green one

[paper wyvern]

Olm used all 4 to hide and then hid them

[split night]

huah??

where is that in the game that mention the olm had all of them

did i miss some important lore context

xd

[formal bridge]

I interpret it as the four olm temple ones aren't actually that special and amadel and his cult were just crazy

Silent Expanse has discoveries where miners discover some meteor crystals and also a flashback of an astronomer seeing them crashing if I remember right

[split night]

i thought the astronomer thing was an flashback of olm the moment the portal got discovered?

i mean 0 AP

[formal bridge]

Let me check

[neon saffron]

I thought that flashback refered to dern taking over SE?

[split night]

okay lemme check the wiki a bit

[formal bridge]

Yeah so meteors were a semi regular occurance

I just mixed it up a bit

[split night]

huh

does this mean up where dogun live have a bunch of crystal?

[neon saffron]

damn, wynncrafts atmosphere must suck, aint protecting them from nothin

[split night]

since you can actually see meteor rain down in here

[neon saffron]

different kind of meteor? maybe? this whole thing doesnt make much sense

[split night]

I don't even know how to imagine astronomy is going to work in wynncraft xd
since like, the whole world seem to be floating above the Void, which is like a kind of dark matter in this universe or smth, you can't see it but it can interact with things

[neon saffron]

the fireballs in the molted heights are probably from the volcanoes though, not space

[split night]

i mean, if there are volcanoes, then it implies that there are geology in this game and continent does crashing into each other, moved by ocean outside of the map

[neon saffron]

the canyon colussus could have just done that though

[split night]

oh yeah that does make sense

[neon saffron]

also, apperently void isnt under wynn, its inbetween realities like the space between the plane of existence and the plane of influence, we had a discussion about it just earlier

[split night]

huah??
so like
sky islands just happen to be above some kind of anomaly

[neon saffron]

so like the canyon colussus just also ripped a hole in reality I guess

[split night]

i thought the big guy just kind of smash his sword really hard on the ground and rip open everything below

xd

[formal bridge]

Someone did make a video theorizing where wynn is just a chunk of rock floating on a gas planet

[neon saffron]

yeah Aet

[split night]

is Void a gas in this theory

[formal bridge]

https://youtu.be/kH2-lB5cLDc

[formal bridge]

Yes, unironically

[neon saffron]

so yeah, void is like on another plane of existence or is the space between them. Real 4th dimension type stuff

[split night]

i guess that could explain how it just randomly appear

[neon saffron]

yeah, its also staded that the grootslangs lived deep underground, which wouldnt make much sense wit the void below them

[split night]

it moved through the 4d space and enter a narrow 3d slice that happen to be this universe

[neon saffron]

the sky islands to a 2d character is like a paper with holes punched in it, when you fall in a hole, you are moving through a third dimension (fourth in our case)

[earnest prairie]

what if the void is actually a 1d space

[split night]

what
you mean like linear space?

[earnest prairie]

yep. we are reduce to graphs and lines

[neon saffron]

probably not since it fills all this space

[split night]

void is kinda implied to be... something?
It's just that the something in question is nothing, and nothing can be nothing so it's just a place of paradox

or things are just warped heavily as they interact with true nothingness

[split night]

i do imagine the plane of influence to be above the physical plane, like on the Z+ axis i mean

[brittle prism]

I always thought the realms of influence were directly under or over the realm of physicality

Like

they're just floating

[split night]

actually on a second thought, the realms of influence isn't above or under
they are in the fourth axis kind of place

like
above and under is for 3d

so that place in 4d is where the realms are
we just can't imagine them being in that direction cuz we're 3d

[brittle prism]

I thought the silent expanse is said to have been conquered before the portal opened

So the dern folks might have just used an elevator

magic elevator

[neon saffron]

Well the portals may be ways of moving across the 4th dimension

[brittle prism]

https://tenor.com/view/sercan-yarlığan-sercan-sercan-yarligan-sercan-yarlıgan-aşk-gif-6558653565478107636

[split night]

the silent expanse look like the canyon of the lost before the dark takes over i think

[neon saffron]

So they might be exactly that, magic elevator

[split night]

i feel like we're gonna get the explanation of how the portal exist in the first place a few upate after fruma

they just
kinda is there for some reason

[brittle prism]

Weren't the Olm already gone by the time of humans entering Wynn?

And humans were there to see the portals open

So how did Dern drive the Olm out of the silent expanse before the portal opened if they weren't in the same dimension?

[split night]

Yeah at 0 AP
they kinda can't beat the power of the dern beast
and wynn just started getting the corruption from the realm of war

and the recruit seem to come at around 950-1000 AP

[neon saffron]

The silent expanse was likely more similar to rymek than canyon of the lost

[brittle prism]

Yes

But what drove out the Olm?

The portals weren't open

[split night]

oh yeah they do look like Rymek

[brittle prism]

Well we know

It's Dern

So they must have gotten to the silent expanse someho

somehow

[split night]

no?

it's just a regular canyon that have meteor rain before the dern takes over

[brittle prism]

yes

[split night]

i think they either die by the dark or just got a meteor killed them or smth

[neon saffron]

Imagine in the diagram I posted earlier that some spot stretched out towards the plane of influence, I think that's what the portals are, and also why the areas around it are more influenced by that realm

[split night]

they also kinda die at least 1000 years before the main event of the game take place

[brittle prism]

more than 1000 years

because they were before humans

[split night]

what?

Wynn have humans before fruma's human come

xd

actually wynn have human before the arrival of the gavel villagers even

[brittle prism]

wut

[gleaming apex]

I thought it was implied that the Eye killed all the olm

[brittle prism]

oh right

desert empire

forgor

[split night]

The eye come after the dern beast leave
so it's highly more that the dern beast killed all of them before the eye

[neon saffron]

kind of, they ran away with the crystals, and went insane

they hid in the dernel jungle for a while

[brittle prism]

Still, if the Olm were driven out of the SE before the portals opened that means Dernic forces got there somehow

some other way

[neon saffron]

Before the portal of war opened, maybe the other portals opened earlier

[gleaming apex]

Were they driven out before the portals? I thought they were driven out 0AP

[brittle prism]

aldorai's secret tho

[split night]

probably similar to the elf that worship orphion
also when did they die

[brittle prism]

It shows both the light portal and corruption portal opened at the same time

and Dern?

It says all the portals

in the quest

[split night]

it's implied that within the same year at 0AP, the portal of light being opened cause a chain event that make all of the other portal to open

[earnest prairie]

i mean look at league of legends. its called the void and yet there are "Watchers"

[brittle prism]

Wait

Ohh

maybe the dern portal opened before the other 2

[split night]

what??

[brittle prism]

I think it used to be in the quest of Aldorei's Secret II but it was removed

That might have been done so that it doesn't break the timeline

[split night]

how did you even got that
if the dern portal open before the other 2 it would just make the other 2 portal open in a chain event and 0 AP would happen earlier as well

[neon saffron]

well its worth noting that light had forces in the plane of existence before the portals opened in the form of the elves maybe dern did as well

[brittle prism]

Yeah but how?

[split night]

Evil elfs

[earnest prairie]

dark elves...

[brittle prism]

If it's in a different space on the 4th dimension

[earnest prairie]

wait are there dark evles in gavel?

[split night]

i mean you're asking why the Elves worship Orphion now

xd

[split night]

nope

[brittle prism]

That's why I think both the Realm of Influence and Realm of Physicality are in the same 3d space

Just far apart

Very far apart

[neon saffron]

even if beings couldnt travel physically to the realm of influence, they were influencing the world for as long as they exxisted

[brittle prism]

Also the portals still existed before their activation

[split night]

i doubt that would make any sense
it would just implied the portals are a form of teleport

and the corruption exist elsewhere before wynn

[brittle prism]

what

where did you get that from

[slim belfry]

uhhhhhh

[split night]

very far apart as in the same planet or different star system xd

[brittle prism]

very far apart as in in the same planet

[gleaming apex]

Why do you think the Olm were driven out of the SE before the portals opened?

[brittle prism]

I think the realms of influence are literally physically below the realm of physicality

[slim belfry]

they're not

[gleaming apex]

No

[split night]

Yeah then the corruption existed elsewhere before the being in the province of wynn
it doesn't make any sense because it also amplied that Dern and the realm of light also exist somewhere else on the same planet

[brittle prism]

yeah it existed in the realm of war

[split night]

and judging by how weird space work in RoL and the place outside of Dern portal

[earnest prairie]

in a literal sense i can see it. the corruption mainly spreads by ground and soil seemingly

[gleaming apex]

The realms of influence are at the very least like a different dimension. They are not somewhere you can travel to physically unless you tear a hole in reality aka: the portals or the sky islands

[split night]

You're saying it exist in the same 3D space
it doesn't make sense because "Plane of influence" just implied that they are another place of existent

like saying the singularity inside of a blackhole occupied the same place as earth

i hope this analogy work well

also what would that make the Void be

xd

[gleaming apex]

Also why do you think the Olm were driven out of the SE before the portals opened? I don't actually remember anything about that being implied

Not the gas planet theory again

[split night]

not the gas planet theory again

[slim belfry]

WHAT IS GAS PLANET THEORY

[neon saffron]

I think the realm of influence is on top of the realm of existence in 4d space, but they are not flat planes, the planes are curved in such a way that the locations with the portals are closer to their realm in 4d space, with the only way to bridge the remaining gap being the portals

[slim belfry]

HUH

[split night]

oh yeah you got a bigger fish to fry

i also want to get the answer of that

[earnest prairie]

what if you thought of it like a graph?

[formal bridge]

https://youtu.be/kH2-lB5cLDc this has part of it

[brittle prism]

olm were being bombarded by cosmic meteors when dern invaded

[split night]

I doubt anyone actually thinking your analogy of 2d space in 3d as literal
it's just a useful way of imagine it

i do think that the realms exist somewhere in 4d space with the look of 3d on the surface because that's what we can actually comprehend

[formal bridge]

I personally don't agree with it and pretty much all in universe evidence is the planet is normal curved shape

just very mountainy

[brittle prism]

Gavel secret discoveries say those happened around 400 years ish before the portals opened?

[slim belfry]

oh of course it's this video

[split night]

smoother planet than earth
because the mountain are 250 meter down

[brittle prism]

@gleaming apex

[split night]

a gas planet is extremely smooth, like i don't think there is even a mountain of gas here

xd

[earnest prairie]

from my understanding i kinda see it like this (blue = RoL, purple(guy) = RoD, green = normal world, red = corruption/RoW)

[split night]

oh mah chaos you use 1D line on 2D surface to resemble 3D worlds in 4D space

this is peak

[earnest prairie]

i haven't done calc in 3 yrs so the math brain came out a lil bit

[split night]

xd

[slim belfry]

also havent down calc in years but I can see what you're going for

[neon saffron]

this is my concept

[split night]

actually a good way to represent the portal
like REALLY good

say they are 2 1D lines, maybe the portal act as like a bump in space

[gleaming apex]

Aren't meteors still occasionally landing even to this day? And the fact that they had a full observatory when they were invaded means it took place a good while after the meteors started

[earnest prairie]

sinusoidal my beloved

[slim belfry]

literally one of the first gavel quests lol

[split night]

then the space between 2 lines are Void, and the void near the light one just happen to be also near the light portan

[formal bridge]

I mean we literally see one happen in front of us lmao

[neon saffron]

it also explains why the areas around the portals are more like their respective realms

[earnest prairie]

ye its either that or this (yellow is void bc i already used black)

or the same thing but inverted

[formal bridge]

i'm shocked that like 50% of the planet isn't just craters considering how many meteors apparently hit

[gleaming apex]

And also it's confirmed that the Eye was what drove them out of the SE pretty sure

[earnest prairie]

actually wait change the red but going down the center

vertically

[split night]

finally the void of piss

[earnest prairie]

cuz this: "The Darkness and Light grew closer, but never touched... At least, not on their plane of existence. They fight for influence over our land from afar. However, when the two touch through influence, it is not twilight that is formed. But a land of corruption." - WynnExcav D

[formal bridge]

mom found the piss void

[brittle prism]

Oh right

Yeah okay

[earnest prairie]

all roads lead to the toilet

[brittle prism]

4d planes then

[split night]

So it is confirmed that Corruption is light and dark mixed
huh

[brittle prism]

Forgot about that one quest

Wait what?

[brittle prism]

Realm of war is a conspiracy propagated by big wise tree

[split night]

Oh what if Corruption is the best part of Light and Dark mixed?
if all of their part got cancel out except for "Influence" then corruption is just Pure unfiltered influence

[gleaming apex]

Realm of war is the secret mastermind orchestrating everything

[split night]

or when light and dark mixed, it create chaos

[gleaming apex]

Totes

[earnest prairie]

no its obviously from greg, idiot!

[brittle prism]

What if Beast of War is Orphion and Dern Beast's bastard child

[gleaming apex]

Bak'al is a double agent working for the realm of war

[split night]

i mean dern beast seem to be a woman
i'm afraid to say this might be accurate

[gleaming apex]

No? Why would you think that?

[formal bridge]

because funny

[brittle prism]

because old NOL dialogue

[split night]

I can't image bak'al being good

[gleaming apex]

Trust me, I don't think the realm of war is planning good

[split night]

stop using outdated information!!
it's like science if everyone still believe pregnancy is a kind of disease

[gleaming apex]

I think that the realm of war is manipulating both sides to intensify the conflict

[split night]

or the earth is the central of the universe

[split night]

you're saying realm of war isn't the by product of light and dark touching but a diffrent and seperate entity pulling all the string? xd

[solid ibex]

🤐

[brittle prism]

Realm of war is the byproduct of Dern and Light

Doesn't mean it can't do its own stuff

[neon saffron]

corruption is light and dark touching, but the realm of war is porbably its own thing that is just in the same place

[gleaming apex]

I think that the realm of war was created by the conflict between Light and Dark, but became its own thing and is now pursuing its own goals

[earnest prairie]

i mean WynnEvac D still exists right? so as long as it stays the quest is still canon right?

[split night]

maybe the anni beast is Orphion and Dern beast child

[neon saffron]

corruption is the war the realm of war is the battleground

[earnest prairie]

Eltomians took notes

[brittle prism]

Annihilation is Orphion and Dern Beast's grandson

[neon saffron]

anni is a realm of war pawn

[gleaming apex]

Everyone is secretly a realm of war pawn

It's been playing us all like a fiddle

[split night]

nah i'd like to imagien it like that because can you even imagine Orphion and Dern Beast in court room fighting for custody

[earnest prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiers-salute-reinforce-teamwork-unity-gif-17207167446756348661

[neon saffron]

i like imagining it like that but anni is not the war beast

[earnest prairie]

FOR THE REALM OF WA-I MEAN WYNN

[split night]

then we need a child for them to fight over

[primal leaf]

that means there IS a unknown God of light that prolly died and gave the responsibility to orphion or something

[brittle prism]

I was implying Anni was War Beast's son

[earnest prairie]

possible

[brittle prism]

oh right

the other thing

[earnest prairie]

i'd think of it like this. ever watched ninjago season 5?

[neon saffron]

hell yeah, what about it

[earnest prairie]

the realm is the beast and the beast is the realm?

[split night]

😭
imagine the court room again but instead they are fighting custody over a 20 yrs old guy

[brittle prism]

Realm of War is weird asf

Is it just a battleground?

[earnest prairie]

when will they let us go into the realm of war without getting corrupted tho?

[gleaming apex]

You see, my major theory is that Orphion mentioned the power that let the dark break the stalemate between them, and I think that's a deliberate word choice. Who would benefit the most from breaking a stalemate? War! So my theory is that all the stuff that's been happening from the parasite to the portals opening, maybe even helping us, could all be a plot by the Realm of War to create more conflict than ever seen before

[earnest prairie]

like do we gotta lather ourselves in like zombie juice or smth to not get corrupted?

or space suit?

[split night]

i mean because it's beyond our comprenension to imagine god thing so it's probably best to think that it's both a battleground and its seperate realm

[neon saffron]

I dont think entering the portal is what causes you to get corrupted, I think dying in the portal causes it

[brittle prism]

Is it ever implied that the Realm of War has a beast actually

[earnest prairie]

theorick says otherwise tho

[neon saffron]

he says he lost, could imply he died

[earnest prairie]

not physically but def was tweaking

[brittle prism]

Like specifically the realm of war

[split night]

War is an influence then
i like this idea because this give whatever inside the realm of War a motive

[split night]

it's more like
something infected him to be evil

[gleaming apex]

And here's my even more out there theory:
Everyone has mentioned how the Roots of Corruption look like a ribcage. What if the Beast of War is trying to get enough power to create a physical form, and the Roots of Corruption are the incomplete body

[earnest prairie]

"hey man can i have my ribs back? i forgot them here"

[split night]

also bal ak can control the corrupted so i think maybe the war beast is giving dark some power

[earnest prairie]

Sincerly, the kawaii annhiliation beast

[gleaming apex]

Exactly

[gleaming apex]

Yes! I was just about to mention that!

[neon saffron]

I think similar to how dying around the corruption causes undead. Dying in the realm of war causes the same on another level

[split night]

what the hell
wynn lore get a new player

we have a third realm with a seperate god to deal with now

[gleaming apex]

The corruption seems to solely be aiding the dark right now, but if it's really a mix between light and dark that doesn't seem right

[earnest prairie]

plot twist: theres a 5th realm. Realm of Salted

[gloomy idol]

there prob will be after dern

[earnest prairie]

all roads lead to cow

[brittle prism]

What if it aids whoever's winning?

[split night]

yeah like the corruption heals you but also replace you
so when you're truly dead, it just take over your body like a mushroom controlling a corpse

[brittle prism]

After all Realm of War is kind of a midpoint between Dern and Realm of Light (?)

[split night]

War Beast just kinda providing them the battle ground and feed off of the war between light and dark

[split night]

yeah kind of

[brittle prism]

If Orphion started dominating maybe Bak'al would start sucking up to Orphion

[split night]

realm of war is a little closer to dern

[earnest prairie]

i'd say its even

it corrupts you with dark intent, but fills you with saving light (at the cost of the mind)

yknow, sacrifices X for Y, but replaces X with Z

[gleaming apex]

I think that the Realm of War wants maximum conflict, so it was helping the dark to push into the peaceful lands of Wynn, Gavel, etc.

[split night]

it just heal your body enough and fill you with darkness i think

[neon saffron]

we see this kind of "saving light" in lutho as well

[split night]

i think the obelisk of light is Orphion's attempt at saving those people somehow

[earnest prairie]

dern beast when free bodies to take over: nah
dern beast when free eyes to take over: yeahhhh

[neon saffron]

it explicitly is

[split night]

idk how he fling that obelisk that far

xd

[brittle prism]

Hmm

[formal bridge]

I think the obelisk is just orphion being dogshit at fighting

[brittle prism]

In the Obelisk is a corruption spike

[earnest prairie]

he practiced fetch a lot

[split night]

he fire an arrow and missed it 😭

[formal bridge]

his great offensive to counter the parasite is just a glorified virtual reality machine for the miners to live in

[brittle prism]

I don't think Realm of War is it's own independent thing, it's just a battleground

[formal bridge]

big fucking whoop dog you got fleas

[gleaming apex]

Yeah because the dark is pushing in from outside

[brittle prism]

Probably doesn't have a beast

But would be funny if it did and it was Orphion and Dern Beast's child

[uneven basin]

It has it's own creatures

Like

There's something beyond that portal

[split night]

i mean
petrifying and take your mind to a safe place if you CHOOSE to is pretty nice
i think what make Dark and light difference is that it seems like Light allows your to choose while dark forcefully take over

as seen in many of the quest like the second RoL one where you get to choose whether or not to murder the guy and keep the golem thing as a secret

[brittle prism]

There's war behind the portal

War between light and dark

Which is corruption

stuff

[formal bridge]

orphion's large white rod is still not doing jack to the dern beast, vs the parasite which is fucking orph up

[brittle prism]

kind of

[earnest prairie]

Blinder vs. Freedom of Light who wins?

[split night]

Parasite was dern's best invention 😭

[earnest prairie]

one hit wonder tho

[brittle prism]

If Corruption is a byproduct of Light and Dark mixing it would make sense that unique creatures thrive in that srea

[earnest prairie]

dern beast can't drop another album

[brittle prism]

Area

It's like Freshwater vs Saltwater

[gleaming apex]

Parasite isn't even that great, Lari just sucks

[earnest prairie]

Potential Girl

[neon saffron]

I think the corruption is mindless, simply seeking destruction in the same way that light and dark destroy each other

[brittle prism]

Some life flourishes in Brackish water (mixed salt and freshwater)

[split night]

it did take 4 adventurer and a God to beat a parasite
i think the parasite is just really weak
but it bit Orphion at the right moment so

the parasite is literally a large tick biting a fox/dog

[brittle prism]

Yep

[neon saffron]

the parasite gained strength for 800 years to get that strong tho

[brittle prism]

Bak'al isn't mindless though

[gleaming apex]

I mean the thing is that it is its own Realm, that's confirmed, so that's why I think it's at least possible there's more going on

[neon saffron]

yeah thats why he can choose to serve the dern beast, without it being its own thing

[earnest prairie]

maybe they'll introduce inhabitants of the corruption

[wary lantern]

that and the parasite was created to be a hyperspecialized foil to orphion specifically

[earnest prairie]

I'm thinking demons

[wary lantern]

its not nearly as effective on us because it wasnt meant for us or designed around our intervention so that helps

[earnest prairie]

is there a bezelbub in wynncraft?

[brittle prism]

Maybe bak'al is modelled after American defense contractors

[gleaming apex]

Except the parasite wouldn't have been an issue if someone(Lari) didn't try to spare it lol

[brittle prism]

An allegory

[wary lantern]

yea

i have to wonder how much DB foresaw that and was banking on it

[split night]

She was just Frisk at the wrong place and time

[wary lantern]

or if it was just not expecting it and she threw anyways

lmao

[neon saffron]

sure of course, its possible that the realm of war has enough of an embodied concept for a beast of that concept to have formed, but war is not scheming, war is senseless destruction and I think a War Beast hould reflect that

[split night]

literally

[brittle prism]

He lives in war yet keeps his intelligence

[wary lantern]

bak'al was a mining captain right

[split night]

maybe?

[brittle prism]

Just like Lockheed Martin sells weapons to the USA while not being a part of the government

[split night]

he maybe the first or second ever person to enter Realm of War

[wary lantern]

i thought he was like the captain of the mining team onsite when the portal opened

[neon saffron]

isnt that COW?

[wary lantern]

i assumed he went in out of curiosity when the portal opening wiped his team or smth

oh

was it

i forgor

i thought cow was uncertain

[neon saffron]

it is

[wary lantern]

like no one knows that origin or even if it was first or not

[split night]

that one is Corruptor of Worlds

[wary lantern]

?

[brittle prism]

If Bak'al was a mining captain he could have been driven by profit

Bak'al is Lockheed Martin

[wary lantern]

it would explain his weird commandive cowardice

karen (male karen? kevin?) manager energy

[split night]

when did kevin become the male karen? 😭

[wary lantern]

idk man i was just trying to think of a equivalent and it has a similar mouthfeel

[brittle prism]

BAK'AL IS AN ALLEGORY FOR DEFENSE CONTRACTORS

[wary lantern]

what would be male karen then

[earnest prairie]

allegory of the cave

[brittle prism]

Jared

[earnest prairie]

he stepped into the light

[wary lantern]

oh true

yeah

i can get behind jared as male karen

[earnest prairie]

he stepped out of the cave

[neon saffron]

and was blinded by the light (Bob's unbelievable protagonist aura)

[wary lantern]

interestingly hes the only one to go in and come out with like

that much damage

bro got sniped by a devil or smth

[earnest prairie]

maybe we should show him Tasim's fit (yes....tasim we see the fit)

[split night]

Bob didn't even get aid from any god he just trained REALLY hard

[wary lantern]

bobs just goated

[split night]

and mastered all weapon

[neon saffron]

nah he was just so weak he got sniped by a random mob

[wary lantern]

lmaooo

random level 15 imp from roots jumped him when he walked in

the burns are from it mauling him like an angry squirrel

[neon saffron]

bro tripped in the realm of war and died

[brittle prism]

HE WAS CORPORATE ADJACENT (mining captain)
HE SERVES WAR (corrupted)
HE HAS INTELLIGENCE (he talks)
BAK'AL IS A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR
ALL OTHERS WHO SERVE WAR DO IT BRAINLESSLY BUT BAK'AL PROFITS OFF OF IT
HE CHOSES ONE SIDE AND USES CHAOS AND WAR TO PROFIT!!!

[split night]

I would imagine him obliterate the parasite in another timeline if he encounter it in gavel xd

[wary lantern]

lol

[split night]

He's kind hearted but with human morality

[wary lantern]

sadly he was not born yet

[earnest prairie]

he kills it, then eats it

[brittle prism]

HE SELLS WEAPONS TO THE DERN BEAST

[earnest prairie]

gordon ramsey style

[wary lantern]

and tbf the reason he grew up how he did was cuz the corruption stuff

[uneven basin]

I wonder what orphion thought of Bob when he travelled through gavel

[gleaming apex]

Hold on I have something for that

[neon saffron]

do you think bob has access to archetypes?

[wary lantern]

he wouldnt have ended up choosing this epic heroic path if not to help wynn against corruption and stuff

[earnest prairie]

definitely

[split night]

i think Bob mastered all 15 archetypes

[brittle prism]

12?

Since he wasn't a paladin

[neon saffron]

Bak'al when bob uses all 12 ultimates at once

[wary lantern]

???

[split night]

??

[brittle prism]

SHAMAN

[wary lantern]

..do you mean shaman??

lmao there u go

[split night]

xd

[wary lantern]

i still theorize that he learned shamanry on his final mission

and didnt tell anyone

the whole animal soul thing is ABSOLUTELY a shaman kinda thing

[split night]

Bro wouldn't even walk another day, he would crawl out of the fight like a coward 😭

[wary lantern]

the reincarnation

[neon saffron]

nah we dont see a relik in the clouds

[split night]

yeah

[earnest prairie]

im surprised ngl that with all this lore a few crazy individuals haven't made a animation adaptation of wynncraft

[wary lantern]

Ancient Runic Relik

that description is perfect

for the other Bob weapon skins

idk

[split night]

if anyone making animation adaption
PLEASE, i want to see the scene where you sarifies aledar for the door, it was so peak

[wary lantern]

also why else would there be a ? statue

[split night]

i love aledar

[wary lantern]

thered only be 4 if they meant he really didnt

i think Nilrem taught him Shaman during the prep for and the final mission itself

[split night]

i mean if the content team could update the bob quest

they would add the 5th class

[wary lantern]

and it doesnt rly clash with his personality cuz theres not only like, evil Killing People shaman

even acolyte which is closest is only your own blood and blood already lost from others that doesnt hurt them

slykaar was just a fucking evil powerhungry piece of shit vaguely trying to excuse his awfulness, even OotG elaborates that you can even just use plant life even, you dont even need blood/death at all

[earnest prairie]

same. if i had tthe choice, i'd want JPanimation or Invincible type animation. it'd be cool, but it'd probably be using minecraft animation engines

[split night]

He's a kind heart with humanity's morality

[wary lantern]

ye

[split night]

can you imagine seeing the character hitting and slashing Aledar and pieces of his soul fly around the sword
it'd be so peak and sad to see 😭

[earnest prairie]

and our main character i'd imagine wear the basic infantry fruman helmet

warrior gives MC vibes

[wary lantern]

i have a really fun idea for a like animated-ish video for fruma ngl

[split night]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cinema-absolute-absolutecinema-9EvnXdZaUZbCqScn67

[wary lantern]

like

art along with a song style

but I CANT DRAWWW RAHHHH

[earnest prairie]

i feel like wynn is old enough to deserve its own small series

and it'd be good for establishing canon key lore points

butttt

money unfortunately exists and passion projects can't operate on 0 dollars sadly

and i dont expect a team like this to magically have millions lying around

[split night]

I think it would be like the SCP animation thingy that is coming

Wynnime

[brittle prism]

put those ingame ads in every chunk ofc

an endless field of ads is sure to raise enough to fund something

[earnest prairie]

what would it take for someone like Ludwig or some really famous streamer to suddenly stumble on wynncraft?

[neon saffron]

Bak'al Slander I just made

[earnest prairie]

not like offered to play but go thru the in ternet and be like "hmmm"

[neon saffron]

someone like asmongold would be most likely to check it out

[earnest prairie]

i forgot thats coming lol. Markiplier got asked by a video they made for helping with it. But I can see the minecraft animation type definitely. like Netflix series level if someone works hard enough

lip syncing and movements would definitely be something anyone can pull off

[earnest prairie]

but he isn't really liked, at least from what ive heard from friends

but i guess a rolling ball is a rolling ball

[neon saffron]

yeah he isnt, and on second thought I dont really want his community entering wynn

but he is like the mmorpg guy

most mainstream attention wynn got was an offhand comment from a technoblade video

[earnest prairie]

but anyways, i dont relaly wanna talk about toxic communities and stuff here. but an animation to solidify lore to me is a good idea.

[neon saffron]

yeah it would be cool

[earnest prairie]

it'd give the writers a reason not to retcon too much too

[wary lantern]

oh i always forget abt this lmao

how bad was the lag after that

i remember being curious what it meant but not finding the actual name in the video or comments so giving up trying to find it

[earnest prairie]

them and community fans would have an easier time understanding non-canon stuff because the fandom wiki is still visited a lot

[neon saffron]

I think like a lotr intro style animated video would be cool

[earnest prairie]

i can see the title card on the first episode now

[neon saffron]

just like a war video with some narration to get people interested in the lore

I wish people were more interested in the lore

[earnest prairie]

pretending its a classic 24-26 minute animation episode, they adapt the tutorial quest and then the ragni king says "Welcome to--[Title Card]"

this is TOTALLY not because i watched invincible today

[earnest prairie]

its mostly because its easier to consume lore when its visually fed to you. its like how anime watchers or Harry Potter movie watchers only consume the movies. They don't feel like actively reading for hours

[neon saffron]

yeah fair, I've been watching Cheg's playthrough of wynncraft and I've been loving how they stop and do all the secret discoveries and discuss the lore as they dicover it and stuff

[earnest prairie]

cheg is nice to watch. i wish MY FRIENDS would play with me

[neon saffron]

same

[earnest prairie]

but they all go "i got bored of it" like bubbers YOU asked me to play with you

and they wanted to commit to getting to fruman level

[neon saffron]

I had a friend who got bored of wynn and went back to playing freaking hypixel skyblock

[earnest prairie]

hes after the 3 dollars for making 3 trillion dollars after 30 hours of mining

because apparently you can actually make money off of skyblock but its so long i'd rather apply for a second job

[neon saffron]

jesus

[earnest prairie]

yeah but cheg's exploration of lore is cool. also made me realize "wait...were the bad guys..."

because 2021 me in didn't really consider it and i was reading every piece of dialogue

[neon saffron]

it is kind of funny how in those early quest you are just a straight menace

[earnest prairie]

good voice actors too

i mean we were basically a blank slate who just accepted what they were told

[neon saffron]

im really anticipating the next episode, its my favourite part of the lore

[earnest prairie]

if i remember you dont't really have actual unique options to choose from until you get to Olux

[neon saffron]

the Twain stuff is awesome to me

[neon saffron]

yeah thats true

[earnest prairie]

i mean we killed the orcs bc were told "yeah can u kill these guys"

Were like Mantis: "kick names, take ass"
unlike Lari

[neon saffron]

I do think that Lari is overhated

[earnest prairie]

If this community was like JJK's she'd DEFINITELY be slandered as Potential Girl

[neon saffron]

yeah

[earnest prairie]

I think shes a good character. shes just got a bit too much naruto

[neon saffron]

Lari is genuinely understandable, its kind of implied that she thought she was being chosen BECAUSE of her pacifism, not despite it

which is part of why shes so resistant to killing

[split night]

one cutscene show that she was young when she got choosen as well
i assume every elf biological age get paused when blessed by the light so it understandable that she act like a young adult or teen sometimes
because she is, it's just her age being pause xd

and honestly, people saying that her being near killing us out of jealously doesn't make sense is kinda weird to me because like

she spent nearly 900 years trying solve this decay problem and then a random ass human who isn't even from gavel just speedrun all of her progress in under a week xd

hell I'd be mad too if I know someone did more work compare to me after I spent 900 years of effort working on it

[earnest prairie]

sometimes the person you need is a person with no brain

[still zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[still zodiac]

Its because were not scared to kill shit that we make progress but instead of thinking she should learn from us she tries to kill us

[brittle prism]

Elder Prometheus moment

[still zodiac]

Also im never gonna not slander lari after what happened to duluhan

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure if you read the dialogue from ROL 3

[still zodiac]

Poor fella

[hybrid gazelle]

which tbh nobody does

you can pick up some context that Lari believe Orphion want her to be pacifist

again we do not know the extact clear information this

but it morel ikely from this dialogue alone, Orphion seems to be the reason for Lari's pacifism

rather than Lari herself

but probably wait for ROL rework

ROL talk just sometime tiring because it more focus on the flaw but then again there like

[still zodiac]

Man when i do the quest its underdtandable at first but after the first encounter doesnt work AND U HAVE A FRIEND THAT LEGIT SEES INTO THE FUTURE
And the parasite is stronger. Not killing the parasite makes 0 sense

[hybrid gazelle]

barely anything good to speak about it beside that it's impressive ite ven out due to circumstance

We should expect ROL rework to being work on after Fruma release

but again this is like

could take 4-5 years or more

[brittle prism]

https://tenor.com/view/wynncraft-wynn-the-number-one-minecraft-mmorpg-the-number-1-minecraft-mmorpg-gif-17756759373806065178

[uneven basin]

I miss the old rol sometimes

Take me back to the heliolux village

[hybrid gazelle]

Never play old ROL so I cant give my opinion on that

[brittle prism]

Same

[hybrid gazelle]

Heliolux kinda return in some capaicty

KINDA

[still zodiac]

But how do u even fix it. I cant see a world where staying a pacifist for so long while thousands die would make sense

[uneven basin]

Big kinda x)

[hybrid gazelle]

I do not want to talk to you man

anyway

Heliolux is like

2.1 kinda brought it back

[uneven basin]

Wait how exactly? I might have missed that one

[hybrid gazelle]

you could count these guys as revisit concept of heliolux

I GUESS

[uneven basin]

That's a big kinda x)

[hybrid gazelle]

RROL deserve big rework

[uneven basin]

But I see the vision

[hybrid gazelle]

please god just

rework ROL that come with like

maybe light forest rework and ROL rework

[uneven basin]

Off topic but One thing I miss is in rol part 1 you had to go around cinfras to find a bunch of mythical stuff (to craft a quest helmet yeah lmao) and I really liked the way it was all brought together, that section of the quest was fun

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

[split night]

obliteration

[hybrid gazelle]

again cant really give opinion on this LOL

I bet there some merit to old ROL tho

[earnest prairie]

make light forest literal and we get flashbanged by shaders when we walk into it

[hybrid gazelle]

I just think that current ROL we have rn

there are skeleton of ideas that can make for a decent story

which will likely be fix later on

[split night]

im imagine Orphion doing that one omniman image to flash bang us everytime we enter the light forest

[earnest prairie]

i think there's little issue with part 1 and 4

introductory isn't exactly bad, and ending isn't out of place, but could be a liltle better

[hybrid gazelle]

everything in ROL can be better but yea

I thinke the writers so far point out its problem

like it seems so far they understand what wrong with the quest

so I think it's good hand

[split night]

I think the best part of RoL4 was the lore bomb it drop
i was backflipping 3 times before coming back to play again

if they rework it they gotta somehow keep it in but also make it short at the same time? xd

[hybrid gazelle]

oh trust me they wont make it shorter but they likely going to make it more engaging

fruma story exposition is whole lot better and feel more organic

compare to ROL

[split night]

i hope so

are we getting Gavel revamp? xd

[earnest prairie]

im not a beta accesser so i can't say anything about fruma

lore*

[hybrid gazelle]

so far from what I see no

the thing is that

place like Wynn or Gavel are just too big to have hteir own update into revamping everything

that why in Wynn they just gradually update as time goes on

and why Gavel rn is neglected

[earnest prairie]

it'd have to be roadmapped and wave updates rather than full on patches

[hybrid gazelle]

because they trying to update from early game

to mid game

[uneven basin]

It's already been revamped 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel Reborn lore wise did nothing LOL

but the update itself did give us raid

[split night]

gavel revamp 2

[hybrid gazelle]

so like

[uneven basin]

It did SOME things

Like with the orcs

And the gerts

[slim belfry]

[uneven basin]

And the colosiii

[slim belfry]

bringing up orcs first

[split night]

that just basically tell us how racist the villager is

xd

[earnest prairie]

If they rework any early to mid game stuff, i'd say they'd definitely revamp House of Twain (yes it'll be a nightmare to re-....code? but it'll be a good outcome)

[split night]

I love the twain story but what the pale was that quest 😭

[earnest prairie]

also give Hashr and Theorick their own custom models and animations (no i do not count theoricks hood as exactly custom model)

[uneven basin]

Not my goat farmer jitak

[split night]

how did anyone figured it out

[uneven basin]

Also meteor lore in that case

[split night]

i know
i love seaskipper captain too

[earnest prairie]

Fallen factory could also be updated to have its own custom models as well for Gates A and B boss and plaster an animated comptuer face for the supercomptuer finally

[split night]

i'd argue he's the best villager in the game

[earnest prairie]

poor girl has been static angry screen the whole time

[earnest prairie]

he definitely deserves his own custom model too

OR....custom boat

[split night]

What about both

[earnest prairie]

something funny

[earnest prairie]

come now we can't be too biased

[split night]

Seaskipper captain deserve all the love he's a good fella

[earnest prairie]

Dullahan dungeon when

i think dullahan should have been a dungeon actually

[split night]

he straight up giving us money when he found some

so xd

[uneven basin]

I think it's meant to become one

[split night]

it probably gonna be when Lari unseal that door

[uneven basin]

Hopefully not another raid

[earnest prairie]

wait actually? yo salted but me on the concept team i have so many ideas

[split night]

dullahan raid??

[earnest prairie]

dullahan raid would be wild if they force us to fight something smaller than the parasite

void dungeon would be cool. the void deserves a little more love, but that's probably something that looks long term story thing

corruption and stuff is cool and all but it feels like either Dern or the Void is the "Endgame" were leaning towards when you look at most mass fantasy lores from other games

[uneven basin]

I could see the void being expanded for the endgame or some 10X levels

[digital swan]

nah lari will die

keep dullahan Locked Up

[earnest prairie]

what could even reprsent the void though? I only know league lore, but they have "The Watchers" as the manifestations

what would a wynncraft void represntation be? a black hole?

[uneven basin]

I mean

Technically

It's TNA

Tho it's dern adjacent

[earnest prairie]

speak in words. im stupid and unfortunately don't understand abbreviations

[uneven basin]

The nameless anomaly raid I'm sorry 😭

[earnest prairie]

ah

can we really call that real void tho?

its more like portals if anything

its only called void holes bc its black

[uneven basin]

Well portals through and around the void

Tho I just realized there are no such things in the ahms void

[earnest prairie]

the only "portals" are our little submarine things

[hybrid gazelle]

The thing is that

the void in wynncraft is not the void like league

it literal NOTHING

like nothing as

there nothing in there that want to seek destruction for existence

it like

literally nothing

there just nothing there

[earnest prairie]

you say that its like league but the watchers literally exist in the void. hypocritical statement imo but it works still

[hybrid gazelle]

yea hbecause we have evidence

of them exist in the void

but in wynncraft it's different

[earnest prairie]

mhmhm

[hybrid gazelle]

these two settings are not relate to one another

so far only thihng we have in the void

is the stuff from sky island

that spill over and become its own thing

[dim plover]

Hi I heard void stuff

I know some things what’s up

[split night]

it feel like dark matter
it can interact but we don't know what it actually is

we can breath in the void and the void can sustain life beyond natural capacity

It's nothing and something as the same time paradoxically

[uneven basin]

wynn's worldbuilding is very soft so I woudn't think too hard about the athmosphere

[earnest prairie]

you underestimate one power though. the agenda

[sharp mango]

agenda? like how bak’al is a bum

[whole river]

Why would you assume that

There’d be an elf population collapse if they couldn’t age to at least adulthood lol

lari doesn’t really act like a child either, real naive yeah but there’s plenty of naive adults

[earnest prairie]

shes like the college girl who got excellent grades and best of her school, went to the biggest university in the world, and then realized shes lowkey not it, then starts doing worse because she thinks shes dumber than her peers

[timid oracle]

Lari wouldn’t have the balls to kill cluckles in the infamous quest cluck cluck. This was the reason the player was chosen to be the pulse

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari pretty much never been properly guided by Orphion

so as learning about her power too

wiht htis knowledge in mind

it very likely that she would not even know the Parasite is otherworldly creature that do not abide by what usually living creatures are

which is some sense of self prsevation or survival

[earnest prairie]

“Orphion, i killed this buck-all guy, let me headpat you for 3 hours”

[hybrid gazelle]

so all the problem rooted in Orphion lack of guidance

Lari also assume that Orphion want her to be pacifist

we dont know the context of this yet

but there like some hint of in Fruma updatel ike MINOR hint

[earnest prairie]

its more like she confuses light with mercy

borrowing ultron’s words, “ I think you’re confusing peace with quiet”

[hybrid gazelle]

there is not really evidence of that

again if we look through ROL 3 dialogue

her pacifism stem from believing that pacifism is Orphion's ideal

we dont really know what this misconception come from

but we know for Orphion play some part in her pacifism

[dense python]

even if she does orphion really could have just said something, especially considering he was a little bit pressed by the unpleasant symptom of dying

[mossy badge]

/kill lore 🤔

[earnest prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-warlock-rash-don't-guardians-of-the-galaxy-guardians-of-the-galaxy-volume-3-gif-12157402174849860074

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

You know damn well what the lore is

[violet anvil]

it seems to me that lari is just a token pacifist and believes that she has orphion's power to allow her to continue with that

though ig this like could also be interpreted as orphion telling her to be a pacifist

but the end of rol5 implies that either 1. orphion had a change of heart for whatever reason or 2. that wasn't actually the case and orphion is just too much of a tsundere to actually tell lari his feelings straight up

[hot timber]

how is the fact the silent expanse exists not far more common knowledge since airships could probably spot it from above

[neon saffron]

I doubt they fly further than detlas, given theyd have to fly over the roots to get there

[violet anvil]

might be map scaling

for all you know in lore there are several tens of kilometres of just mountains before you start to get to the silent expanse

[candid cliff]

yea map is way bigger than ingame

and some uests heavily imply it

like aldorei secret with canyon section

or royal trials, fantastic voyage

& more

[vocal rapids]

Is the creature from the lexdale witchtrail the same creature from silent expanse

[dim plover]

creature from silent expanse
which one

[hybrid gazelle]

You mean the parasite?

No

[vocal rapids]

Yeah

So the lexdale parasite wasn't from the silent expanse?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Not at all

[neat tangle]

is it related to orphion's parasite?

[lavish knot]

I believe so

Also Silent Expense is not Dern, which the parasite is actually from

[celest falcon]

It is the offspring of The Parasite

Heart of Decay, Dark Forest Ultimate Discovery

[earnest prairie]

Silent Expanse is like if Dern came over to a nearby painting and put markers all over it. And the Decay is like a sharpie bleeding through the back of the canvas

[dim plover]

We still don’t know which SE creature they were asking about lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Parasite spawns or dernmite

are pretty much offspring of parasite so yeah

[full harness]

Wynn lore so confusing

[true eagle]

Geek squad over here 📚 📝

[hybrid gazelle]

it only confusing because rn you arel ook at part of quest created from miscommunication from the team

[hasty beacon]

why didnt they change it when they also changed ajf smh

[full harness]

Mb, I forgot to read the disclaimer before quests that say “no longer canon” “this will be retconned in the future”

[hybrid gazelle]

it will be fix when they have itme

[primal anchor]

that part never did make sense

[vocal rapids]

Oh i wasn't talking about any specific SE creature what I meant was is the parasite we see in lexdale witch trails from SE

But as others said, it's not

[uneven basin]

Do we know if Cerid is still alive?

[hybrid gazelle]

no becaue no way that mf alive

from waht I heard

[split night]

who is cerid i don't remember

[hybrid gazelle]

one of corkian engineer

[split night]

huh why is my memory of this guy in particular so foggy

[hybrid gazelle]

cause like

he mostly exist in background lore

and he not that important beside he made facotry

and a friend to doctor legendary

[split night]

oh he IS that guy

[uneven basin]

You would assume there'd be a grave or more remembrance for THE engineer

or maybe they hate him too much for the factory

[cerulean osprey]

the guy who created fallen factory

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK

it just

corkus lore rn is underdevelop

maybe we will get corkus rework update someday

out of all the area in the game

corkus is the one that is the most feasible in term of getting its own dedicate update

Gavel is too big

so as Wynn

ocean is too

funnily enough

[split night]

there bound to be more corkus
cuz like, they adopted a dogun and wanted to expanse their influence over the other provinces as well

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think they adopted dogun

Ineos literally mention how he want to return home after knowing the war is over

and no htat just

[split night]

yeah?