📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

No mf is like

[gray zephyr]

or bob

[hybrid gazelle]

Dead ass a fraud hell and back

Just enjoy fruman villain

They are like

Way better

[gray zephyr]

xD

wait now that i i think about it where did he come from? he just appeared right? but i also remember a miner going in or something like that

[hybrid gazelle]

Good question

[hybrid gazelle]

Also no thst just CoW stuff

The first miner thst go into portal rumor to become CoW or something

But thst just legend

If coukd be true or not true

[gray zephyr]

CoW?

[hybrid gazelle]

But Bak’al was second person

The uhh

Green skeleton guy from temple of legends

Yeah thst one

[gray zephyr]

oh didn't do the island yet didn't know it had anything to do lorewise

[hybrid gazelle]

No it’s in Troms

[gray zephyr]

ohh the temple no island

my bad

[ancient dock]

Corrupter of worlds

[regal walrus]

Bob lari and Bakal are most definitely in Dern

[slender copper]

Slykaar?

[hybrid gazelle]

COW

slykaar is not in temple of legends

nor did he ever get mention there

[slender copper]

Oh wait you said tol my bad lol

[slender copper]

So it's the one in the boss alter.

[hybrid gazelle]

no

that the one in the quest

it's green skeelton guy

[slender copper]

uh...

[hybrid gazelle]

this guy

[ancient dock]

That's what I said

[hybrid gazelle]

this is jsut my guesss on wynn millitary structure

[slender copper]

I didn't realize bro was green lol

[violet anvil]

a bit mouldy

[whole river]

did they ever mention why Admirals are higher when for the last millenium, its been the land forces that have been fighting

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope

So I guess it thst this is how newer city use terminology

My hc would thst this is adopted culture from gavel

But villager using general in general’s order

Idk 😭

[whole river]

tbf i just thought it was a one piece reference so

[hybrid gazelle]

It probably is idk why else

[whole river]

cuz it def doesnt fit now

[hybrid gazelle]

It such an odd word to use

The only thing I can imagine is that

[shut hornet]

the reason is because it was made in 2016

[hybrid gazelle]

Admiral aegis and admiral Amerigo roll off the tongue more

Than general Amerigo and general Aegis

[shut hornet]

famous general afelis

[hybrid gazelle]

Please proper millitary structure for Wynn,,,

[shut hornet]

i want to fix the worldbuilding for wynn and gavel at some point

to be good and clean like fruma's

[whole river]

nice

[hybrid gazelle]

I think a good start is properly establish the normal protocol fruman recruit gone through in order to settle in Wynn

And show player case is special

[misty horizon]

i don't know fruma lore, but i was just thinking how weird it is that fruma content is 105-120

while silent expanse is 100-105

like the fact that some random mobs from fruma province might be much more stronger than things beyond comprehension in silent expanse

[violet anvil]

you say this like the fucking worm doesn't have higher health than the corrupter of worlds itself

i feel like the levels are more of a progression thing than a canon powerscaling metric

[misty horizon]

to be fair i feel like corrupter of worlds is mere a name, and not something that this mob can pull off

[misty horizon]

ig that make sense

especially since we are fighting with the parasite at lvl 79 💀

[dim plover]

Worm?

[misty horizon]

prolly NOTG

[violet anvil]

grootslang wyrmling

the notg one yeah

[violet anvil]

true 😭

levels in rpgs are always so funny because you can fight the embodiment of death at lv75 and that's somehow easier than the fluffy cube 24 levels later

[misty horizon]

also i heard that there is rework on materials and crafting level

like ||dernic is now material for 105-110 lvl||

but that doesn't make sense?

like i always thought that sky islands is 95-100 lvl, and silent expanse is 100-105

so the fact ||that they are shifted by 5 levels is weird||

[torpid sequoia]

me fucking fighting the literal god of the underworld just to find his minion whos based off a mistranslation of his bosses name who was also banished from his army and is for some reason stronger than his boss in like every way

[violet anvil]

who's the minion

[torpid sequoia]

Haros

[violet anvil]

ah

never actually fought him tbh

[dim plover]

Wait is this referring to Fake Death

In TOA

[hybrid gazelle]

Level is simply in game progress and not dictate of power

If everything need to be stronger than last threat then it fucking impossible to build a story around that

[candid cliff]

super saiyan bak'al

[hybrid gazelle]

Like I don’t think a literal child meant to be stronger than oversized undead brute

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon is not a literal god, as far as we know he just a very strong undead and that it

His name just reference to real life mytho

[torpid sequoia]

hes not really worth fighting anyways, he drops like a armor piece and a mid staff and if you fight him at the recommended level hes pretty much just not worth the effort

[lavish knot]

Charon isn't even a god in the original myth

[hybrid gazelle]

That too

[vestal rivet]

Charon is just
the edgy ferryman that you can pay to take you down to the afterlife

[hybrid gazelle]

depend on intereptation

but yeah

[dim plover]

We should make in-game Charon to be that that’ll be cool

[uneven basin]

So the lore for the Detlas suburbs says that it "is heavily defended by the armies of Detlas and Ragni to ensure food production continues"

question is

where's the damn food production

it's like one (1) orchard, and a war torn wheat field and a half

[cerulean osprey]

probably fish + those

[uneven basin]

doesn't seem like it's feeding a lot of ppl tbh

[cerulean osprey]

tru

[hybrid gazelle]

food prodcution from Ragni

when they want to deliever food in the most effecient way

They have to use emerald trail

so defending detlas suburb is very important because it near the Root of corruption

so it would be infested with undead and other things

[uneven basin]

that makes sense but then it should be "food transport" or "secure the trade route" to avoid the misread / be clearer, tough idk if enough ppl make that assumption (or care abt it I'm nitpicking here x) )

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah wynn back then is not the best written

but liek this is how I interept it

cause literally like

There NOTHING produce gong on man

like even fucking apple farm there is corrupted

I am not eating that shit

[uneven basin]

mmmmm delicious corrupted apple

[hybrid gazelle]

consider Fruma

if they ever touch wynn again

it will be a lot more expanded

[uneven basin]

updated ternaves is way more believable as the food producer they make it out to be in a craftmas miracle so I believe

there's a lot of worldbuilding that could, and probably will, be improved anyways

but on that topic they should probably go back to more recently revamped content cause for example there's like, no houses in Thanos, besides the 2 to 3 on the surface

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah thing probalby get rebuild or expand later on

[still zodiac]

Cinfras got alot of farms no?

[uneven basin]

gavel is more or less alright on the farm front, tho Ahmsord has to import most if not all of its food

[still zodiac]

Then again all the monsters roaming around

[hybrid gazelle]

do you think people going to wait their food crossing the ENTIRE ocean

than to wait fro mthe same province

and also shipping price would skyrocket the price

literally in description it said that airship only used by the riches

so imagine the shipping price

[still zodiac]

Hey you said theres no produce going around u didnt specify wich region

[hybrid gazelle]

we talk about Ragni and Detlas

[still zodiac]

Also after we kill the spider queen in the dungeon theres alot of spiders that the detlas army could collect yknow

Im sure their not really picky if their that hungry

[uneven basin]

nothing says that detlas is desperate for food tho

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know if thseo spider are edible or not

it probably is

[still zodiac]

Hey if ur having 3 meals a day if its spider carcas or no they not complaining

[hybrid gazelle]

but a lot of processing need to go through

[still zodiac]

Spider legs

[uneven basin]

they would have to be starving for that tbh

[still zodiac]

Hey we dont know how the spiders taste

Maybe its delicous

[hybrid gazelle]

well consider we dont see any wynn cuisine made of spider

it seems like the yare not

[still zodiac]

Do you see any wynn cuisine?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[still zodiac]

I dont think ive ever seen them eat

[hybrid gazelle]

bonfire grilled chicken

cake

and we have whole ranch with cow, pigs, and chicken

and also farmlands with wheat

to make breads

[uneven basin]

there's a whole quest for that

and a profession dedicated to it

[still zodiac]

Hmmm yknow they should add that

Spider legs as a detlas delecasi

[uneven basin]

be more accurate as an alekin delicacy but I don't think ppl would eat corrupted things

might catch the crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

it likely to be alekin than Detlas

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think spider are corrupted

they just like that

yeah no they are not

[uneven basin]

I mean... The spikes are all over the forest

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah but surprisingly nope

they are not corrupted

they just giant ass spider

that live in ant colony

[uneven basin]

I feel like they have to be corruption enhanced somehow but then again fruma has giant talking frogs do I see the point

[hybrid gazelle]

oh they have explaination for that giant frog

but that spoiler

anwyay for spider case

it because the volcano has like special magic

that allow Akkadicus to ahve her power

allowing spider to stay safe

[errant geyser]

Wynncraft reference????

[grizzled frost]

quetzalcoatl is an aztec god, and also an "oversized pterodactyl" dino

so prob not

[rotund gust]

working on a wynncraft D&D thing, This is more or less accurate for Gerts right? Been a hot minute since I've done anything in game related to them

[errant geyser]

Nah can’t be

[shut hornet]

they're*

[errant geyser]

Last sentence should be they’re

[rotund gust]

ok i’m not asking grammar i’m asking lore accuracy 😭

i’ll fix the grammar later

there’s a couple grammar mistakes, i already fixed like 2 immediately after posting that

[errant geyser]

😭

[rotund gust]

“a moronic green-skinned creatures”
“long term exposure warps one mind”

i was kinda debating giving them magic resistance against enchantment spells cause they’re too stupid for enchantment to work on them but idk. Other than be hungry and hit stuff with a stick what do gerts have

[errant geyser]

Should be ones

One’s

Right

[rotund gust]

doguns have fire and earth magic there’s lots of options
avos have nature magic their easy enough
olm we don’t know a lot about but there’s still a lot of options for traits pulling from cosmic and time magic affinities
villagers are just kinda a standard magical species but there’s enough content to pull from for them
gerts… just really hungry

[uneven basin]

In the new hunger of gerts the gerts were becoming smarter (i.e villager-like) (with the tunnel and all) and the gylia watch more Gert like (mostly slacking off and having fastuous dinners with the Gert supplies)

You could play around with their nature as a cosmic magic warped being tho

[rotund gust]

huh i never realized that was meant to be a parallel

[vestal rivet]

I always thought that being close to Gylia just slowly made you all cucoo from the exposure to the purple and blue stuff

[uneven basin]

That's part of it, HoG hints at more but ends up being a bit underwhelming

Still better than the old version

[rotund gust]

i mean thats just being near cosmic magic in general, but i gerts are specific to gylias two meteors as far as we know

[rotund gust]

seem fitting for gerts?

[uneven basin]

These are great ideas, I like the bite ability and magic resistance, although not canon, fits in nicely. I'm no expert tho xD

[rotund gust]

bite makes sense cause... they bite you

the one eats you if you don't lure them away with apples

and magic resistance i think covers cosmic magic being involved

[uneven basin]

Oh yeah no bite is perfect

[rotund gust]

oh i misintrepreted what you wrote

[uneven basin]

And I agree with all your points really haha

[rotund gust]

ok also were the Olm wiped out in 0AP, or was the olmic civilization in the silent expanse being wiped out a different time?

[uneven basin]

I think they were wiped out before , like way before, humans were already mining in the SE mountains in 800 BP and there are no signs of interaction with the olm

[rotund gust]

can avos fly or is that just an ava thing with her tech

[opaque remnant]

Avos can fly
They are birds

[rotund gust]

yeah but we don't see any of them fly right? and ava uses like a wingsuit to fly

unless she uses it for propulsion, and normally avos can only glide

[slim belfry]

what about the one that drops golden feathers

I assume the tech ava has helps her to fly and doing more like carrying things

[rotund gust]

true i forgot about the golden avia

but those don't seem like normal avos, but that might just be because the skin is so different and the wings are just reusing the model

haven't gotten a new model yet

[lavish knot]

Maybe I forgot, but I'm pretty sure Ava flies, just use tech to carry us

[dim plover]

By “tech” it’s literally the magnet she holds in her flying animation lol

[slim belfry]

hey even the simplest of machines is technology smh

[rain saffron]

Omg dnd mention! If you are sharing this when it’s done, I’d love to see it!

[rotund gust]

I'm planning on it yeah

I have 6 races and 4 subraces done, 7.5 backgrounds (one has a variant), and then all of the mythic armor and all 5 low level mythics done. Plus the 3 monster statblocks i put in your_work the other day. So it'll be a while since i wanna fill out all the mythics, and a decent number of the relevant bosses

and im finally getting around to learning Homebrewery so it looks nice

[rain saffron]

Yoooo!! That’s crazy work! You got thisss

I’d love a ping when you post it..

[slender copper]

Sorry, I just wanted to ask this to see if this is rather confirmed/speculated. In the Festival of the Blizzard when we talk to Tasim, (spoiler just in case) ||he talks about how Aledar sent him a letter about the mission (A Journey Beyond) and how Aledar wanted him to join in. Did Aledar want Tasim as the original fourth!? You know... the one to be sacrificed.||

[hybrid gazelle]

the dialogue in AJB and AJF been change

so now the fourth never plan to be sacrifice

and Aledar continue the mission despite Admiral Aegis told him to not

[slender copper]

o_o they changed the dialog? Did the wiki change to include it? Let me check.

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think so

[slender copper]

Sorry I check, they did change it! Lol I didn't know.

That change my entire brainblast lol

[rotund gust]

huh, neat changes. I like Lucio complaining that they didn't need a fourth so its not like.. accidentally implied that the three of them were all hunting for someone to sacrifice like it kinda was before

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar and Elphaba always know during this journey that someone will die

someone has to make a sacrifice

but Aledar believe that Elphaba going to offer herself but like

it does not matter

she fucking dead

so Aledar took on the mantle since he also ready for it as well

and like als ohalf dead so

[rotund gust]

yeah but in the previous version they just kinda go "we have a fourth? go time" as if they needed 4 cause they knew they didn't want to sacrifice the three of them. At least thats how I and a lot of other people intrepreted it. New dialogue does better at hinting that somethings up but not that their planning to kill the player

[hybrid gazelle]

I am talking about this iteration of the quest

[rotund gust]

oh yeah this new itieration is much better

[slender copper]

Yeah that is a better iteration then the older one I'm used to. Shows Aledar's development better and makes him continue to be an ally then the older version... which made him seem like he wasn't one to begin with lol.

[buoyant depot]

it will be updated when the next update drops

[buoyant depot]

yeah lol

one tiny change to a couple lines completely flipped 7 years of less-than-glamorous opinions of aledar

[round flame]

Just curious is Qira a spider being, a dern being or both or something else?

[hybrid gazelle]

no she a soccerer

she just the woman there

no spider

[slender copper]

I didn't know she was a soccer player.

(I'm pretty sure you mean sorcerer lmao)

[subtle spruce]

Balls knowledge

[still zodiac]

Ah man i gotta feel bad for aledar now?

😭

[violet anvil]

this type of meta-commentary on the gameplay is what i play wynncraft for

[slender copper]

My favorite is the ones you see in the Master Piece quest lol.

[sullen wadi]

who is greg

my friend keeps telling me

[lavish knot]

Fan nickname for tna

[sullen wadi]

the nameless anomoly?

ah tht explains alot

[lavish knot]

Yup

[violet anvil]

bro just doesn't have a name lmao

[whole river]

Yet he mogs 90% of the boss fights

[hybrid gazelle]

Grave digger is such a funny quest cause like

why is the act of burying still like

a thing

in this place

like

it been 1000 years

this shit is like what if covid has gone on for 100 years

and somehow people who do not wear mask did not die by natural selection so people keep doing it anyway

like the though of burrying should either be illegal by that point or literally wipe from the gene pool somehow

[cerulean osprey]

why not just burn all the corrupted

[hybrid gazelle]

this is true

why not burn the body

I rather be coughing fucking dust than handle a zombie that will rip me apart

[uneven basin]

the quest says they got attaqued by corrupted but I don't think it mentions a burial

[hybrid gazelle]

yea hbut like

his body still in the grave anyway so like

LOl

[uneven basin]

like maybe he got mauled by zombies and his corpse just kind of... wen there

yeah that sounds like bullshit lol

[hybrid gazelle]

that even more qustionable but like

yeah

sure

bro got mauled so hard he sent to his personalize grave 😭

the only thing that make sense here is to pretty much retcon the brother

[whole river]

Went to a grave with his name on it 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

and make it ancestor instead

[hybrid gazelle]

The church forsee that shit

[uneven basin]

okay alrgiht I didn't think this trough x)

[hybrid gazelle]

nah bro you GONNA DIE

[uneven basin]

it really would

[whole river]

Maybe the grave is like an outer being that adds the names of their victims

[hybrid gazelle]

Posioning the pest and Grave digger share the same problem of like

if we estalbish that it been 1000 years war that peopel been fighting undead

[uneven basin]

maybe add some lore abt how ppl don't bury their dead anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

why are you burying body

for posioning the pest you could argue that like

the guy probably forgot to burn the body

so that fine like it can be save

but not grave digger like

why

there is no logical loop around this btw, like okay bro you bury ytour loved one so you can see them again as undead husk that want yo murder you

I think that asking for double trauma speedrun

[uneven basin]

I mean they could also just kinda chuck their dead in the catacombs or ask a soldier to drag a coffin down there ? What would be the purpose of suck a custom ? uuuuuh

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK my country just burn the body

and we dont even have zombie apocalypse

[uneven basin]

Yeah no maybe corruption has its ups and downs and there are long period where burying the dead is safe ?

[hybrid gazelle]

not really cause like

it never safe consider how much undead are there

that probably should drill into peopel brain that like

Dead people + corruption = undead

and the body is not even chuck in

there like proper tomb

and burial site

like no someone there

took the time

to dig a hole and place the body in there

oh wait no I forgot

it like actual tomb I forgot LOL

there like coffin and shit

like you can see the coffin being turn over here

[uneven basin]

I mean the priest sounds like the catacomb's state is a recent developement so maybe we could like, use that as an excuse ?

[hybrid gazelle]

I GUESS??

that could be excuse

but like

[uneven basin]

that coffin is like a random box so it fits with there being little effort put into this

like the whole burying thing

[hybrid gazelle]

you come into problem where okay now we have ticking time bomb below our church

[whole river]

It’s just old lore that needs to be adjusted, but tbh yeah there really shouldn’t be any traditional graveyards anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[whole river]

Like religious doctrine would’ve definitely adjusted in a zombie apocalypse

[hybrid gazelle]

there should NEVER be tranditional act of burying other than cremation

that the only option for wynn

the only way I can see them fixing grave digger without changing too much

[whole river]

Gavel should be the only one with tombstones but I doubt they’ll remove nemract’s grind spot so uh idk

[hybrid gazelle]

is change the brother to ancestor instead

I think that probably fit way better

[whole river]

ancestor would be easy

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[whole river]

Def would help a lot and little if any effort applied

[hybrid gazelle]

and IDK if the will would make sense

so in this it wont

then it could change into this long lost relic that Sayleros going to sell for high price

so he can get all the money

oh nvm

they got attacked by THIEVES

not undead

you know this is like

bring a lot of question here

but like whatever it's old quest

cant wait for it to getting remake osmeday

I think the funniest part of wynn is that with each lore addition

the more funnier to see how it get present in the game currently

cause the contrast betwen this

HOLY SHIT CORRUPTION CONTINUE TO SPREADING AND WE WILL FUCKING DIE EVENTUALLY

to wynncraft early game

if you describe wynn to peopel who never play wynncraft

they would though it's late game area

[uneven basin]

It's funny cause they kinda tweaked Grave digger recently 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Most tweak mostly just to show off 2.1 feature lol

[uneven basin]

Didn't they get rif of the rotten flesg farming part ?

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think???

but IDK

I could be wrong

[uneven basin]

They definitely need to rework saints row but they should keep the graveyard level

[hybrid gazelle]

I think saint row is fine like

okay here the thing

I think saint row could be good example to show case of bygone era of wynn

since the build style is resmelbe of ancient nemract

so it could be ancient graveyard that made pre corruption war

and exist as this remannt of the past

[violet anvil]

margarine is canon in wynncraft

[formal bridge]

what are the lore implications of wynn being at margarine levels of technology

[dry aspen]

wait, 99 TEXT PAGES? What quest was that again?

[earnest prairie]

if wynncraft provinces had their own salute phrases (like how in AoT its "dedicate your heart!") what would it be?

[exotic bough]

optional dialogue from an npc in fantastic voyage

[unique jungle]

why does this look ai

the text is weird

isnt this supposed to be bread enthusiast's lines?

[violet anvil]

yes

[violet anvil]

probably compression

i used the snipping tool so

[unique jungle]

probably

i get that in paint sometimes and its annoying

[lavish knot]

Smaller images tends to look weird on discord for some reason

[rotund gust]

do we know what elements Ek runes are associated with or is ek still kinda vague

[hybrid gazelle]

Thunder

[rotund gust]

Like Nii and Uth set tie them to water/fire and fire/air respectively.

Az lore says that it’s the result of nii, az and ek runes. And its thunder primarily thunder with water and fire ids

Alka Cometflinger, Thrundra Ripsaw, Nepta floodbringer, and Zephra Shedder all seem to be a “set” since their all the same level and associated with uth runes. They all have the phrase “as this weapon is merely a spiritual extension of the user's desire” in their description but no shared elemental affinity between them.

tol has no items to my knowledge

[rotund gust]

?? from what

[hybrid gazelle]

||yasanu list of ordering element being compare to buried record list of ordering rune||

||a translator come to comfirm thst each rune translate their elements||

[rotund gust]

||that second point seems a lot better tbh. The first one is just the runes are said in the same order as elements one time?||

||so what are uth nii az and tol?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||ct put those order with intention||

[rotund gust]

|| but the translation into ancient fruman is a lot better evidence then “yeah their listed in the same order”||

[hybrid gazelle]

||the order has meaning and what other meaning are there||

[rotund gust]

i assumed Az would be thunder, since the az item is thunder damage, with fire and water is also there as are ek and nii

[hybrid gazelle]

Depending on the date, items lore may not consider in the current lore

If the items lore was written before lootrun update then I highly recommend to check it with ct first

[rotund gust]

||yeah but without the translation “it’s the same order” is very loose evidence since you could take any list of 5 things and equate them based on order. Translation recontextualizes that in this case though, should’ve said that first||

[hybrid gazelle]

||then what would the order mean if it so important they have to go fix it?||

[rotund gust]

||i didn’t know they went back and changed the order you didn’t mention that, but even then it could’ve equated to other stuff. I believe you cause of the translation part, without that i’d think your crazy||

But i guess they make sense. Nii set is fire/water so fire checks out. Az item also has fire on it
Uth checks out too, set is fire/air so air works
I just figured az was thunder and then ek and nii would be fire or water

the four level 93 weapons all being uth associated is a bit weird but idk how old they are

[slim belfry]

az item lore mentions nii az ek

all 3 are present in the stats

[rotund gust]

yeah so i figured since its called Az and thunder is the “dominant” element Az would be thunder. Then since water and fire are just id’s nii and ek would be those

[slim belfry]

smh they need to correct it

[rotund gust]

feels weird for Az runes to be water when it’s not even the main damage type on the Az weapon

rename Az to Ek lmfao

[slim belfry]

it's even worse because of the spell cost and ascended mID

UNLESS that's the point

[rotund gust]

wait the major id increased arrow bombs fire damage

why is water damage the least dominant element on the water rune weapon

[slim belfry]

probably a funny way on how all 3 aspects are represented

I like that

[rotund gust]

now we have confirmed elemental associations for the runes we need 2 whole new runes for light and dark

smh

Blacksmith dren still haunts me

[slim belfry]

at this point might as well have a rune for the physical plane

[rotund gust]

that’s what the 5 current ones are for

actually i wonder at what point gameplay mechanics actually mix with lore for elements.

like is orphion and by extension light actually associated with thunder and air or is that just gameplay mechanic

[slim belfry]

funny you say that

[rotund gust]

or are the 5 elements specifically a plane of influence thing

[slim belfry]

orphion is not associated with either

[rotund gust]

i mean orphion deals and resist air and thunder damage

hence is that just a gameplay mechanic or is light actually related to those in lore

[slim belfry]

wait really

I never noticed lol

[rotund gust]

and he’s weak to water

like TCC dealing and resisting earth and fire makes sense. It’s the dogun diety of earth.

grootslang only deals earth, resists earth thunder and water and is weak to fire. Earth damage makes a ton of sense for a big worm, and fire weak makes sense for a bug

Greg deals and resists Thunder Water and Air

idk that one but greg’s confusing

water kinda makes sense for void i suppose but idk the other two

[slim belfry]

I think the eye also has thunder and water

[rotund gust]

but Orphion being thunder air? Thunder checks out with light, and wouldn’t fire make more sense cause… the sun…

Is light associated with those elements in lore or is that just gameplay

AJB makes it seem like it’s just gameplay since it makes light and dark elements, and realistically if light were an element orphion would deal light. But that quest is so horrifically outdated idk if we should consider that

[slim belfry]

I think gameplay and lore elements is one of the few mostly consistent mechanics

heck a lot of corrupted are weak to water

[rotund gust]

yeah mostly. Light and dark enemies are a bit odd, but corrupted weak to water and sometimes air ||which we know combine into ice from sui and a bunch of items|| makes sense

Light Dark and the Rainbow enemies are the ones i don’t really understand

[slim belfry]

this is probably trashie's territory since he studied the magic system

[rotund gust]

The hive bosses i’m pretty sure are all weak to same element their elemental powder reduces

that makes sense

[full harness]

@twin sail, please get this idea to the Content Team:

Bob disappeared, but to where? To The Bear Zoo. Allow me to explain.

Bob, weakened from his fight with the Dern Beast, forced to flee, had an encounter with a crazed man. A man suffering an all out mental collapse over the loss of his Playful Bear pet. This man incapacitated Bob, Kerplunking him on the back of the head with a hammer and spiriting him away to The Bear Zoo island.

This man, overcome with grief, highly deranged, then put the mask of a bear on Bob and chained him with cuffs, imbued with dark magic. He made him dance and juggle a ball for him until he died of hunger and from his untreated wounds, obtained in his battle with the Dern Beast. That’s why you can see the bear is a zombie with a bear mask on.

“Do you know about that Bear Zoo on that island? Almost nobody has! I heard its ran by some fool villager. He earns money by selling bear masks and showing off an old bear he caught.” - Seaskipper Captain

Bob is old, 130 years old in fact, according to the Wiki.

Picture of Zombie Bob:

[slim belfry]

what

the heck

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah sure whatever

Sound about right

[slim belfry]

oh yay yeah you're here

[full harness]

Until this is disproven it’s my head canon

[twin sail]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[slim belfry]

can you help with this

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh that

Uhhh

[rotund gust]

yeah is light associated thunder air or do we think that’s purely gameplay

since enemy elemental affinities are usually lore accurate

[slim belfry]

horrible memory

[hybrid gazelle]

Nothing in the lore so far say each side has element association

But if we want creative liberty

[slim belfry]

I just remembered the dang NoL storm clouds

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I guess light could be associated with with thunder and air

And Dern could be water and earth

It weird because

Most light and dark creature are very abstract

You we can probably see

[rotund gust]

parasite deals fire damage for some reason. Resists fire and air, and weak to water

[hybrid gazelle]

So tying them to element kinda ruin the point because again these are like

Otherworldly creature outside of reality

Corruption just happen to be associated with fire cause

Burning is one of the best way to make sure thing fucking die

[rotund gust]

why orphion and the parasite are both weak to water is weird. Both resisting air sort of makes sense. orphion is light and parasite absorbs light

[hybrid gazelle]

Air being relate to light is kinda

Weird thing to explain

Because these 2 things don’t really associate with one and another

But since light meant to be abstract

We could try to twist the word to make it fit

[rotund gust]

both invisible i guess???

Idk, thunder makes the most sense for light, then fire then air. Orphion has nothing with fire though, unless we wanna say the parasite dealing fire is cause it’s been absorbing light

Also we know elemental combos are a thing like water/air being ice

so maybe thunder/air is light

[hybrid gazelle]

Ehhh it strange because

Again it been establish that these things are essentially non reality

[rotund gust]

orphion not being fire is just really really weird

[hybrid gazelle]

So having them being part of element system in some way is strange

Consider corruption is not even related to fire

It just happens to be

[rotund gust]

yeah. Honestly lore wise it would make sense if the 5 elements were specifically a plane of influence thing and none of the three realms we know of had them

[full harness]

Just wait until they reveal the last 5 fruma mythics have light and dark elements and they redo orphion/parasites damage types and resistances

[rotund gust]

but gameplay wise everything in the RoL, Void and Archipelago have elemental affinities

so is that a lore accurate thing or a gameplay thing

[slim belfry]

I'd say lore compliant

like ability tree

[rotund gust]

dren existing and calling dark an element makes everything so much worse.

[hybrid gazelle]

gameplay thing tbh

becuasel ike

do you really want every mobs in these area to not have element?

LOL

[slim belfry]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

in perfect world

thereprobably 6th "element" for gameplay thing so these things would have something else other than 5 elements we have

because as ||Two explain the plane that we are in made of magic and life||

||implying that these dark and light are not magic||

[rotund gust]

semi related i have a theory with the resonance weaver.

||It needed to go through all 5 elements to show corruption, so what if light & dark combo for it, but also all 5 elements can combo for it. Corruption is just any fundamental force mixing in an incompatible way. The 5 elements usually don’t, hence the need for the resonance weaver to force a corruption reaction, where as light and dark are always incompatible and always produce that result||

[slim belfry]

yeah my two cents is that influences are not elements and that they're just that
influences

maybe like a "root element"

[rotund gust]

i kinda like the idea of the 5 elements just being like… lesser influences. Or influences native to the plane of influence unlike the invading light and dark. ||It feels weird to know that light and dark existed in the void and the plane of influence just… exists without something of its own. Maybe the 5 combined as one influence or 5 lesser ones native to the realm||

[hybrid gazelle]

||I think my belief on that is because since the world itself is made up of element, by using resaonce waver to combo all 5 elements together. You pretty much manipulate reality in order to show you something||

[slim belfry]

that works

have already seen that rainbow element things are powerful

[rotund gust]

also works, but that makes me wonder why they needed it if it’s job is just to show stuff. ||they already sort of knew corruption was there they just couldn’t see it. That’s why i’m thinking it’s forcing the elements to react in a specific way to produce something. maybe corruption but feels redundant if corruption is everywhere. It’s also somehow related to the queens plan with tasim i think. Maybe using it to force a reaction creating dark instead of corruption inorder to open a temporary portal for tasim, but when why did it show corruption when the resistance used it||

[slim belfry]

I mean
||it's called resonance weaver not resonance viewer||

||we haven't seen the action it's supposed do||

[rotund gust]

||maybe just a way to reveal the corruption around and then infuse it into something/harness it. Just a way to harness corruption magic using the 5 elements as a focus||

||also very relevant that sui describes the elements and corruption as strings and it’s the resonance weaver||

||gonna weave a hat out of it or something||

[rotund gust]

also worth noting Dark has associations with thunder aswell. Dernic lurkers deal thunder, and divzer is the thunder weapon and is made of darkness and void

[earnest prairie]

i was reading about llevigar secret library stuff and im wondering why didn’t they send any of gavel’s military to help wynn with their issue? ik it mentioned a dislike for prolonged combat and such but arent the villager soldiers basically trained for prolonged fighting

like cinfras military for example

[uneven basin]

when's the last time the villagers had to fight an actual war since they made contact with wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

because it's not good investment LOL

not assisting wynn mean wynn would relying on gavel's export to supplies their resource

that mean more profit

Wynn still standing without villager help so why bother>

just keep selling htem goods and villagers proftting without risking anything

[earnest prairie]

translation: steam but if it was a country. understandable. have a great day

[uneven basin]

The gavel republic seems very "if the elite's way of life isn't endangered, why bother?" as we can see with the gestion of the decayed regions in their own country. Considering the wynn province is managing well enough against corruption (slightly losing but by a negligible margin) I sincerely doubt the villagers would even care about sending military support

[earnest prairie]

i wouldnt say they are really losing. id say its even. i mean nemeact of all places is still a beneficial port city despite living next to basically a hornet nest of zombies

[uneven basin]

no a report from the fruma ARG mob indicates they're slighlty losing advantage

[earnest prairie]

ok i just read that bc i didnt know it existed

also wasnt aware were being “watched”

[hybrid gazelle]

also if you do sewer of Ragni quest

Jenprest would comment that corruption been pushing people into Ragni

so they were losing their ground

[uneven basin]

oh they have eyes all over the map I'd recommend checking the ARG out it's cool

[earnest prairie]

the fruman walls have eyes

[whole river]

The thing with gavel is their safety has nothing to do with the military itself when it comes to the realm stuff

It’s literally just lari stopping the decay and they just don’t gaf ig

Cuz they know she’s a doormat and won’t ask for any sort of pay. Hell, they don’t even let her use their library

Any other gavel enemies are either restricted like the orcs, restrained like the gerts, or they just straight up build around the issue (like how COTL and Sky islands still got settled despite being presumably horrible terrain to live in post colossus)

[uneven basin]

lari stopping the decay

Anyways seriously I don't think villagers know Abt lari's stuff

With the dullahan incident and whatnot

But yeah villagers don't really fight wars anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

stop SPREADINg of decay

to be specific

[uneven basin]

Hmmmmmmm alright I'll let you have this one

[whole river]

The spread

I just shortened it cuz I’m texting

But yeah it’s very funny that gavel is propped up by a girl failure

Poor Wynn fighting tooth and nail on the other hand lmao

[uneven basin]

It's barely avoided total annihilation*

Like the decayed regions are very fucked

[whole river]

Ehhh

I actually would argue they’re not too bad, look at olux

It’s declined but the fact is they can live there

[uneven basin]

They're starving and getting kidnapped and turned into golems

They live here because they can't move

[whole river]

The kidnapping isn’t due to the decay

[uneven basin]

Sure but it makes it easier

[whole river]

And they’re struggling but the whole populace isn’t starving

[uneven basin]

The decay makes it easier for ppl to disappear without a trace

[whole river]

Ehh

[uneven basin]

Alright but they are big struggling

[whole river]

Kidnappings happen outside of the decay

[uneven basin]

Also the people of the forest are getting ritually sacrificed to dullahan

[whole river]

it’s silly to attribute that to the decay and not people taking advantage of said decay

[uneven basin]

No no I get your point

[whole river]

Let’s compare it to like the corruption village nearby

It can’t even function cuz everyone there is too angry to be coherent

elkurn is weird so I don’t mention it and it’s like notably an exception to somehow not getting corrupted in any notable way

[uneven basin]

Still olux kind of became a slum because of our favorite girlfailure

[whole river]

I mean pointing fingers just leads us back to the dern beast at fault

What’s important is she’s holding the spread and Wynn has no warriors who can do that

[uneven basin]

Elkurn is very weird but they're unaffected because there is no corruption spike methinls

[whole river]

Which is why gavel is less warrior like nowadays

[uneven basin]

That's true

That barrier saved gavel but it's a bandaid

But it saved gavel

I'm not gonna dunk on lari too much she did do that

[whole river]

Hmm in a way lari’s barrier is like theorick’s just less violent. And keeping things in instead of out

[uneven basin]

Oh my god

Theorick is Wynn lari

Except instead of being foolishly pacifist he foolishly tried to fight the portal (is it still canon that he straight up entered the nether? Or am I mixing up)

[whole river]

Yeah he was just arrogant

[uneven basin]

In a way they both were

Like so sure their way would work and ppl couldn't see it

[hybrid gazelle]

Also this is hard to pick up

[uneven basin]

Okay I'm stretching but I like the idea of the provinces being thematically connected x)

[hybrid gazelle]

But if you look at her cameo

You can see hint of lari been doing thing like helping people or trying to find cure for decay

But sadly the quest never expand on thisvcause

Uh

Cause

Rol is rol

[uneven basin]

Proof rol is salvageable

[whole river]

Lari rn in other quests is done so much dirtier than she should be

[hybrid gazelle]

Rol planned to be rework after fruma

So we likely to see fruma level of writing quality for rol

Which is nice

[whole river]

Lari WILL say fuck

[uneven basin]

I beg them to remake aldorei's secret part 2

Praying

[hybrid gazelle]

Aldorei’s secret is a kind of quest thst make you question the lore

But in bad way :sob;

[whole river]

Am I cooking if I say I want aldorei’s secret 2 to have tasim instead of that random elf guy

Aldorei’s secret is weird in that it’s a hype reveal but then when you think about it you’re just left a bit lost

[uneven basin]

I'm seeing it

[hybrid gazelle]

No I think olon can stay

But idk

I feel like taism should be involve with light stuff too

[spring kernel]

i mean everything is planned to be reworked after fruma because after fruma is everything in the future

[uneven basin]

I don't like olon he just comes off as generic sidekick n°67

[uneven basin]

I mean there's dern and the wasted

And hypothetical other lands

[spring kernel]

yeah wastelands is #1 after fruma

[whole river]

It’s weird cuz he’s not even in part 1

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o'neal-shaq-67-6-7-gif-5184942973847308913

[whole river]

Like aldorei’s secret in general is just disconnected that they should be separate quests

[uneven basin]

Part 1 is straight up a downgrade

[whole river]

It’s not that I hate olon I just think such a dramatic lore reveal is weird cuz like, the player is there + the elders then there’s olon the literal peasant

[uneven basin]

True ! I think what makes it weird is him popping up right on the other side of the door

Like you could meet him in the valley or efilim it'd be better

[whole river]

At least with like tasim you can say it makes sense that such a significant character understands the lore implications

But olon just signed up cuz his parents died

[uneven basin]

He wants to expose the elders so it's... Okay

Like he doesn't come from nowhere

Plus it's not like we have any other incentive to think the elves are hiding something

[whole river]

Fair enough, which is another issue I have with the secret

How come Olon is the ONLY one who cares in his village

About the immortality stuff. Cuz surely his parents didn’t die first

[uneven basin]

True !! Efilim is under baked in my opinion

Like, okay renegade elves, I get it. But what's with the villagers ? Gelibord refugees? Probably but be nice to have a lil efilim citizen to give a tidbit

The efilim discovery just tells us about the elves's side

[sturdy pollen]

Best class and camp for yellow runs?

[slender copper]

I can't tell if this is a lore question or you need to go in #🗿class_builds

[shut hornet]

someone missed the o and e in the channel name

[slim belfry]

#🗿class_builds ?

[earnest prairie]

idk if this is a good question but lore-wise does the militaries of each province have a chant? like an AoT scout regiment equivalent?

cause that would be cool detail

like fruma being "For the wings of dawn and glory! bc orange monarch wings and dawn being orange yknow

[digital swan]

John Gluk has only got one ball ig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Has_Only_Got_One_Ball

[earnest prairie]

vhat

[regal walrus]

Nobody spoil the end of fruma when it comes out tonight

Please 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[grizzled frost]

thats the first thing i see when opening this channel

safe to assume my eyes were

[digital swan]

do remember that

even though the average age for british soldiers is given as like

what maybe 27ish?

Frontline troops are probably younger

Also, they're british

[grizzled frost]

27? The average gotta be a younger age

[digital swan]

including non frontline i think mid high 20s is the number given

plus that's probably overall in the war and by like 1940 everyone 18 to 40 was eligible to get yoinked to battle

[digital swan]

in any case for soldiers who would march to this pretty fair chance that most of them were honestly kids
probably around the same age as the average helldiver

since this is 1939

[grizzled frost]

yeah i also reckon that a lot "lied" about their age so that they can go in the army

[digital swan]

idk if the song's before or after september

probably not a huge amount that sounds more like a Soviet Union kinda thing to do

in any case for wynncraft seeing how much of a shithole the world is the life expectancy is probably garbage

so I'm gonna guess wynnconscripts are probably also around the same age
pretty much just kids with weapons

I can't tell if wynnconscripts are more vulgar than brits. it's possible but extremely hard I'd guess

[azure tangle]

It happens in fruma btw

Sorry had to spoil

[solar ingot]

aledar revives 🤯

[paper wyvern]

aledar is dead in fruma

[solar ingot]

-# if this actually happens i'll become bald in a live stream

[paper wyvern]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ||

[rotund gust]

What gods/godlike creatures do we have mentions of in wynn?
Orphion, Dern and the Queen all fill the roll of gods
Garaheth & the Colossi were worshipped as gods of Fire and Earth respectively by the Doguns
Qira I suppose could be considered godlike, but not the same tier as the rest of them.
Death is death... that one checks out

The only other god I found namedropped on a quick itemlore search is Entia an elf god in the lore of Vension, but no info exists on them. Fissure and Gemini also mention gods but don't name names

[vestal rivet]

it could just be using the term god loosely
like zeus in a lot of depictions isn't exactly what we'd consider a god

[rotund gust]

the Exemplar is a false god, pretty sure its meant to be like a false idol of The Nameless Anomoly

[vestal rivet]

or whenever a story has a "minor" god would be a better example probably

[rotund gust]

vague as possible, trying to come up with stuff for Wynn d&d setting and clerics are... struggling

cause theres like no options for domains with the ones i came up with, and a decent amount of overlap

[vestal rivet]

Orphion and whatever the Bovemists worship are the one 2 actually holy deities wynn has I think

-# could legit just be Salted if you take it seriously

[rotund gust]

I mean, dark has worshippers, and garaheth and the colossi are explicitly dogun gods

[vestal rivet]

there's also the old religion in Gavel that we know like nothing about other than that it was a villager faith and involves layers of hells or something

[unique cedar]

Will bovemism ever actually be relevant to the lore

or just keep being an easter egg to Salted

Otherwise it imo kinda needs to go and get replaced with something else

[still zodiac]

Is there a translation of what orphion says to u at the end of the raid?

[earnest prairie]

the Salted Province would be the ultimate easter egg

[hybrid gazelle]

It meant to be a meta joke

But who know

Maybe ct will recontextualize it

They kinda did it

But like

It still blantly a meta joke

[unique cedar]

Cowthulu cult 😔

[unique jungle]

crazy

[still zodiac]

So we gotta kill lari

🤤

[dry aspen]

Make Bovemist Imperium, wh40k style with legions of big paladin folks, would go so hard

Literally a recipe for the coolest thing ever

[vestal rivet]

I do forget that the Dern Beast is a she

[shut hornet]

what

no

[junior thunder]

Was about to come here to ask

What do you guys think the dern beast is gonna be like?

Personality I'd say cat-like or dragon-like

[violet anvil]

they done forcefemmed the dern beast 😭

[junior thunder]

Cat-like would oppose orphion being canine-like

Dragon-like might boil down to this

[vestal rivet]

black panther lookoing thing maybe?

[junior thunder]

Not impossible though it would probably have characteristics of multiple animals

Like Orphion having antlers

[vestal rivet]

giant african honey badgeer with curled, barbed horns

https://tenor.com/view/honey-badger-walk-bis-gif-11087206712678178480

[exotic bough]

fandom wiki detected, use the correct wiki at https://wynncraft.wiki.gg instead

[dim plover]

Wait what

Hold on I gotta see this this is hype

Where did you hear this from

[vestal rivet]

In-game dialogue
Although it's in Gavellian
Orphion calls it a her on your first NoL completion

[tawdry mural]

pretty sure thats referencing the queen of fruma?

[vestal rivet]

it could but given the context I believe its referring to the Dern Beast

[brittle prism]

dialogue was updated

[vestal rivet]

dangit

[neon saffron]

I think that kind of look might be better suited for a "War Beast" if one does exist. Darkness is a fundamental concept and (from what I know) is not chaotic in nature

[junior thunder]

[dim plover]

Why would he be telling us to "snuff out" Dern Beast as if he thinks that we can kill them somehow

He saw firsthand that we can't even scratch a weakened himself

[violet anvil]

isn't he telling us to snuff out lari?

[azure tangle]

i mean... ||hes telling us to snuff out the War Beast...||

[acoustic scroll]

If war represents the fight between light and dark

Killing war kills the fight 🙂

[neon saffron]

Was the Realm of War created by the conflict between light and dark, or is it also a separate realm and just happens to be the battlefield?

[gleaming apex]

I'm assuming it was created since corruption happens when light and dark meet

[neon saffron]

right, but from what I see on the wiki the realm of war is the source of corruption that might not mean it is corruption itself

[gleaming apex]

Although I guess it could have existed before, but got corrupted by the fight

But also the battle between light and dark has been going on since forever so that might as well be it's default state

[neon saffron]

because the realm of war being influenced by, but separate from light and dark could explain some things. Corrupted beings being linked to fire doesn't make much sense in the context of that conflict, but fire being connected to war is pretty easy to see

[gleaming apex]

Oh that's what you mean. Yeah I do think it is its own plane, that just is also the battleground of light and dark

Like maybe it was created by the conflict, but I think it's probably its own plane independently of the others

By now

[neon saffron]

Not just that its its own plane but that its also exerting its influence separate to the other conflict

[gleaming apex]

Yeah I think that it was probably created, but now has it's own goals and existence related to causing war

Because the realm of war would probably benefit the most from the balance between Light and dark shifting to cause battles

[neon saffron]

And if that's the case I wonder how that works with Ba'kal since he's kind of an agent of both

[gleaming apex]

My idea is that the realm of war is helping the dark to cause more fighting because it's been a stalemate forever

And my even more out there theory is that Bak'al is actually a double agent for the realm of war

[neon saffron]

another theory, the realm of darkness is not neccessarily related to death, it has its own brand of life, and yet it is clearly benificial to wynn to aid the light, does this inherently make us species of light, and if so does the death of mortals from the war aid dern?

[gleaming apex]

And the reason for his seeming incompetence is that he actually doesn't want the dark to win, but wants it to always be close so there's always fighting.

I mean it aids Dern in that there are less warriors fighting for the light

[neon saffron]

also, the game makes this kind of vague, is Dern evil? I cant really tell if its evil or just incompatible with our lives

or maybe it doesnt really matter

[hasty beacon]

Its evil

[neon saffron]

then does it want to conquer the world or destroy it? from what we can see of the silent expanse it wants to conquer it

[gleaming apex]

I mean it's incompatible with all the forms of life that we care about, so it's evil from our viewpoint

[neon saffron]

Right exactly, but why are we so compatible with light and not dark?

[gleaming apex]

Because most of the life we know just kinda is.

[neon saffron]

I think that humans and villagers (and most other life) are linked to Light in the same way elves are linked to light just to a lesser degree

[gleaming apex]

Until it's actually explained what exactly light and dark represent, we just kinda have to go with that everything we care about is light leaning

In general, everything outside of the silent expanse likes light and dislikes dark, and that's just how it is

[neon saffron]

Fair enough I guess, its just that "thats just how it is" is kind of boring, I suppose we'll learn more later though

[gleaming apex]

My theory on this is that there's actually dark leaning creatures underground

And it's like light creatures aboveground, dark creatures underground

[neon saffron]

also, I just remembered my theory on humans being light leaning is kind of challenged by the fact that we have the darkness element inside ourselves as stated in A Journey Further

[gleaming apex]

Because the sun is light, so everything aboveground is light leaning, and underground there is no light

That's why I said light leaning, I think most creatures have some of everything but a lot more of one than the other

[neon saffron]

fair

[neon saffron]

actually, Wynncraft is stated to be above the Void, so that might have something to with it

[gleaming apex]

Also I know this is just how rpgs work, but isn't it strange to everyone else that the fate of the world(universe?) is decided in like 3-4 countries right next to each other

[neon saffron]

well, it may be worth noting that there could be other realms influencing other places, its just that the two that are beefing the hardest decided to set up camp near each other

[slim belfry]

the void is not directly underneath all of wynn it's a metaphysical space between worlds

if you dig underground normally there'd be no void

[gleaming apex]

Like you can't dig to the void, you have to also dig through the fabric of reality

[slim belfry]

exactly

[neon saffron]

seriously? so is falling through the void like moving on the axis that seperates the plane of influence from the plane of existence?

[slim belfry]

yes

[neon saffron]

damn

wierd

[gleaming apex]

It's metaphysically underneath the earth, so you also have to metaphysically dig there

[slim belfry]

I think there's a good diagram of how to perceive it

[neon saffron]

Oh shoot isnt there a void hole secret discovery that specifically states this, man cant believe I forgot

[slim belfry]

ugh I need to find and save it it's really good

[neon saffron]

from Aet's video on wynncraft science?

[slim belfry]

ehhhhh

[neon saffron]

not that one?

[slim belfry]

I'd take that video with a grain of salt

it's fun to see how it analyzes the map itself though

[neon saffron]

I mean the 4th axis to the plane of influence stuff

[slim belfry]

yeah this might the exception

only thing is that it'd have to be 4D but that'd be difficult

[neon saffron]

was it the canyon colossus that caused the tear in reality?

[slim belfry]

nope that was the ahms colossus

[gleaming apex]

There used to be a separate Colossus in the Ahms region, but it went out of control and fractured both the region and reality

So that's why you can physically go to the void there

[slim belfry]

canyon does have a little bit of void around it though so good thing it's stopped

[neon saffron]

I know that, but I thought the colossus was just causing earthquakes and stuff I did not realize it was shaking reality

[gleaming apex]

It's implied that the Canyon Colossus could eventually end up like that if it completely went out of control

[slim belfry]

yeah half of the province

all gone

[neon saffron]

are they not both called canyon colossus?

[slim belfry]

nope because the ahms colossus was not in and did not make the canyon

[gleaming apex]

No the one in Ahms was a different Colossus that destroyed both itself and the ahms region, creating the sky islands

[neon saffron]

I though Ahms was also like the rest of the canyon, from what the ultimate discovery cutscene looked like

[gleaming apex]

Idk

[slim belfry]

oh wait I misread

one second

[slim belfry]

both the canyon of the lost and ahms region were likely normal mountainous terrain before what happened

[gleaming apex]

It looked like it, but we don't really know how it was before since I think that's the only time we see the region pre fracturing

[slim belfry]

we also have the molten heights and aldorei to show that the nearby region was likely mountainous but probably not as chaotic

[neon saffron]

right but I assume it looked similar, as for many years the colossus was being calmed by the dogun and was not destroying the canyon

[gleaming apex]

I mean yeah probably

[neon saffron]

is the colossus related to the cosmic stuff of in gylia? they have kind of similar colours

[slim belfry]

we don't know

[neon saffron]

damn

[hybrid gazelle]

the canyon colossus probably get expand on as update gone trough area liek COTL or some shit

but overall we gotl ike

0 fucking clues what they are

we dont even know the ancient civilization that made them

[vapid path]

Something something the lad

Unclear lore af

[gleaming apex]

All we know is that they've existed for an unknown amount of time before the portals, and that they've recently(as in past 1000 years) gone out of control and need to be calmed

[hybrid gazelle]

there also goliath lying around

which also like them but

smaller

[slim belfry]

yeah these guys they're so cool

[neon saffron]

isnt that the defender of the plains?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but like

[slim belfry]

...

[hybrid gazelle]

defender of the plains feel morel ike recycle model

[slim belfry]

ok now even I have questions now

[neon saffron]

just the same model?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

it is

but IDK if this is lore relevant or not
or just them recycling the same model

but if we want to take that like

straight fact then apperantly whoever make these goliaths

also have some presence in Wynn

[slim belfry]

oh wait defender drops a zombie brain

[hybrid gazelle]

but literally the ONLY evidence we have is defender of the plains

[slim belfry]

I remember now

[hybrid gazelle]

what

why does it drop zombie brain

[slim belfry]

idfk

[hybrid gazelle]

All these drops make sense

why zombie brain LOL

that put up a lot of question

[neon saffron]

maybe they're made with them, like the iron golems?

[hybrid gazelle]

also nvm they are not the same model just modified

[slim belfry]

they look like they could be iron golem prototypes

[hybrid gazelle]

I GUESS??? then why not just use normal golem model

[neon saffron]

if it has a title like defender of the plains maybe its like a suped up version of the iron golem

or they could be olmic like all the other old stuff in the wynn province

they actually kind of have an olmic look to them

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I chalk them up to something olmic

I geniunel y dont know and I highly dbout they just suped up goelms cause

if that the case then why dont we see this suped up in cities LOL

[slim belfry]

yeah I don't think they're actually iron golems but are functionally similar

[neon saffron]

maybe the zombie brain is there cause it was killing zombies

[hybrid gazelle]

ahve it being corrupted construct could be neat

I GUESS??

That probalby like

the best way to interept it without fucking headache

this is probably left over of oldlore

that just put there for the sake of it

many mobs in wynn do that rn

like Sun God

[slim belfry]

sun effigy now

[neon saffron]

just googled sun god, expecting to see something from almuj or something, apperently in nemract I guess

[quartz mist]

that dialogue has been like that for years what

[slim belfry]

also recommend using wynncraft.wiki.gg if you're gonna look up wiki articles

[neon saffron]

yeah I am

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft direction for lore get widely different as time goes on

[slim belfry]

nice just making sure

[hybrid gazelle]

like most the thing in wynn would be widely different if itw as made today

Fruma geniunely set up a high expectation for future region and even rework region

[neon saffron]

It is pretty funny to find quest dialogue thats just not true any more

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think CT will ever be able to update old region to Fruma level

but like it's whatever it's fine

[neon saffron]

havent played the beta, but from what I've heard I doubt it, but they can still get them to be pretty good I think

[formal bridge]

if nothing else the writing can at least be cleaned up a lot

The biggest change I see happening is whenever forgery gets reworked into... something, anything else

[hybrid gazelle]

One thing I wish for Wynn is to make it feel more like war zone

thing just looking too tame

have field cover in discarded weapon or something

thing just look too tame rn

there so much dead space you could just turn into war zone

[slim belfry]

yeah in places where the only spawning mob are undeads they look too peaceful

[gleaming apex]

It's like someone comes in this channel with a theory and it's just like "sorry, half the quests you used straight up aren't canon lore anymore"

[neon saffron]

the area around the roots is kind of like that, but it does need to be bigger

[hybrid gazelle]

canonically Wynn is on losing war against corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I feel like some old quest still has some valid info

it just hard to tell

consider fruma writing prefer recontextualization

later than remake

[neon saffron]

its kind of hard to display that when detlas is a prospering city, RIGHT in the middle of the province

[hybrid gazelle]

it likely these outdated thread will be reinvent

[hybrid gazelle]

Detlas got the issue is that

it try to be MANY THINGS

a lot of things

it want to be battle fortress, trading market, and airbase

and it like??

Just not something that could be translate well in minecraft of all platform

[neon saffron]

the thing is, the mobs dont even have to change. It already feels like I cant get a moments rest ouside of the cities, just have the landscape be less peaceful. It could also make detlas stand out more as a safe bastion in the middle of a war zone

[hybrid gazelle]

this is true

[gleaming apex]

I don't mind it being a bunch of stuff, but I think the entire stretch between Deltas and Roots of Corruption should look like a total warzone to emphasize the threat it faces

[paper wyvern]

Yeah it's like a major city, in a warzone, 5 feet from the epicenter of the ongoing apocalypse

[hybrid gazelle]

I think millitary prsence shoudl be there more too

[paper wyvern]

And it doesn't feel like that

[hybrid gazelle]

Detlas just A LOT OF THINGS and I dont know if they should rewrite it or not

because it just

[neon saffron]

the streets are already coverred in corrupt, it just needs to look like it

[hybrid gazelle]

how can you even fucking convey the city being trade center, battle fortress, and airship LOL

LIKE

THE AIRSHIP FROM CINFRAS

IS LIKE

HALF OF DETLAS

that how big it is

[paper wyvern]

Wynncraft has a major scale issue

[hybrid gazelle]

Unless you somehow make Detlas big as Cinfras

or make it stacking vertically

[slim belfry]

yeah

definitely

[hybrid gazelle]

I literally dont know how one could consider Detlas as what it is

[paper wyvern]

Simply put in game cannot be accurate lore wise to scale

[slim belfry]

if the cities were scaled to real life detlas would be pretty big

[gleaming apex]

I actually think most of the writing is fine, but yeah the front lines of corruption should be like 50 blocks away to show it's always at risk of destruction

[neon saffron]

I actually think sinking detlas into the ground a lttle bit could be awesome

[hybrid gazelle]

Underground bunk in detlas coudl be sick idea tho

like underground for trade market

[paper wyvern]

Honestly 90% of wynn quests do not create any contradictions with any future loee

[neon saffron]

like its clear they already want wynn to be that, they make travelling to detlas at the start sound like a great challenge, and if the roads were fully taken over taking even a step out of detlas was a srastic tone change it could convey that pretty well

[paper wyvern]

It's really not that bad and I hate people dismissing theories cause it's based off some quest that hasn't been updated since 2015

[hybrid gazelle]

One wishlist I have for Wynn is that they expand more on apocalypstic side of it

literally make it more grim

in my take of WYnncraft I have like

[paper wyvern]

Yeah wynn is supposed to be the grim low fantasy

[hybrid gazelle]

Mix with asthetic with English medival and World War 2 asthetic

[gleaming apex]

One of the big issues I think with Detlas is that it doesn't use the space it has that well, there's a ton of buildings and yards that do nothing and it makes the city feel small

[hybrid gazelle]

ThE BARRACK

LOOK TOO SMALL

for an army that would need to fight shit from all side

[slim belfry]

dude

[hybrid gazelle]

this is my personal opinio

There no fucking way

[slim belfry]

I did not know the barracks existed on my first run LOL

[neon saffron]

actually, given how big the airship is, the barracks should take up half the city

[hybrid gazelle]

that building hold the army that hold off different shit from all side

IT SHOULD

but it not

like it not at all

[paper wyvern]

Wynn is grim wartorn low fantasy
Gavel is fading high fantasy
Corkus is steampunky sci fi
Fruma is ||basically late 1800s||

[slim belfry]

I was struggling during the last part of AHC because of not knowing lol

[neon saffron]

you know what, I think detlas should have a moat

[slim belfry]

I'd say ||1800s in general|| tbh

[slim belfry]

that's actually a good idea and makes sense

[gleaming apex]

Like there's about 8 buildings that could be removed or repurposed in Detlas to be actually useful

[neon saffron]

just stretch this like a hundred bocks or something

[hybrid gazelle]

It does not make sense that this entire wall is left unmantain LOL

THAT LIKE

[neon saffron]

the emrald trail is fine as it is but the plains around detlas need to be changed

[hybrid gazelle]

FEW DEFENSE DETLAS HAS AGAINST ROC

WHY ARE THEY NO ARMY THERE

and consider annie exist

this wal become even more importnat LOL

[neon saffron]

I mean, they did beat anni without the player before

[hybrid gazelle]

I think like

maybe barrack could be move from Detlas

to around this wall?

and turn into a fort

I think that could work??

IDK I just ttrying to find a solution

[gleaming apex]

A simple change would be to make this whole area heavily corrupted, to make it seem more like the city is always at risk

[hybrid gazelle]

to not turn Detlas into mega city in game LOL

[slim belfry]

wait it only hit me now that there aren't really any forts outside fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

LIKE

OKAY I JUST LREALLY WANT big warzone in wynn

I want it to feel like we walking into ruins

I have an idea to remake ancient nemract into this big city crawling with undead

[neon saffron]

actually detlas isn't really even stated to be a great fort it just has the most guys defending it

[hybrid gazelle]

so ti give similar vibe to resident evil

where you crawling through building and undead

[paper wyvern]

It's the economic center of wynn for some reason

[hybrid gazelle]

ALSO