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#📚lore_discussion
somber mirage
gleaming apex
?
somber mirage
like, he could've minded his buisness and nothing would've happend but he HAD to go all like "yoooo eldeeers DO (not) CHOP THAT TREE"
gleaming apex
The elders were planning to do that already
somber mirage
I'm counting him responsible for the portal
gleaming apex
He just failed to warn them somehow
somber mirage
The elders were planning to do that already
then if he gonna plant a vision at least get his point across
gleaming apex
Yeah that's just plot being stupid
There's no reason he shouldn't have been able to get his point across
somber mirage
instead of making prometheus see a tree or whatever make him see a flaming obelisk on top of a corrupted landcape that says "do not chop tree"
or something
gleaming apex
Unless we go with my super awesome theory that the darkness was messing with his messages and that's why he seems like he can't communicate
Because otherwise he just looks really dumb
left warren
Because otherwise he just looks really dumb
absentee god kinda thing?
left warren
because I prefer slandering the dog
we need some kind of gigachad reaction emoji
left warren
Yansur said Qira could stop the corruption
I think it's implied that Qira's a creature of darkness so ig
somber mirage
well, wyrmling >>>> orphion on account of losing by being jumped by four guys
somber mirage
I think it's implied that Qira's a creature of darkness so ig
another Dern W
left warren
another Dern W
agreed, dern's got the hotter women
gleaming apex
I will say there does seem to be a canonical party, so it's not just randos you're fighting with
left warren
like sorry lari move over, hot flirty spider mommy's here now
gleaming apex
So there's some leeway in that the people you raid with are all implied to be other great warriors like you
somber mirage
yeah Lari didn't invite me to her room or say she's "pleasantly surprised I can last this long"
left warren
see this guy gets it
somber mirage
Lari tried to attack the Wynnter Soldier during RoL 4, got lowkey folded
then went all like "oh noo I'm so sorry I almost killed you"
like
no
left warren
doesn't the find end when you get her down to low health? because I really tried to kill her with my shadestepper
gleaming apex
then went all like "oh noo I'm so sorry I almost killed you"
Let a girl have fun
somber mirage
doesn't the find end when you get her down to low health? because I really tried...
ye
you can't kill Lari
left warren
lari did it without consent, whereas qira clearly gave you the option to decline her request
who's the morally better person now
somber mirage
so much for Apostle of the beast of light or whatever
left warren
more like girlfailure, and not the cute kind
gleaming apex
I think Lari just has brain damage
somber mirage
Lari has brain damage because Orphion is using her brain as part of his neural network
gleaming apex
She got hit too hard by the parasite and developed several conditions
somber mirage
Lari has brain damage because Orphion is using her brain as part of his neural n...
(it's for the greater good)
(his good)
I mean, dogs don't have the capacity to speak
gleaming apex
Lari has brain damage because Orphion is using her brain as part of his neural n...
Makes sense, Orphion is so dumb because Lari's stupidity spread through the network
somber mirage
orphion borrows her brain power to think
somber mirage
Makes sense, Orphion is so dumb because Lari's stupidity spread through the netw...
nah orphion stupid cause he a dog
left warren
it's like VETS, they share a single brain cell and it constantly disappears
gleaming apex
Don't diss dogs like that
somber mirage
you wouldn't trust your dog to get his point across to a bunch of humans
gleaming apex
My dog could
gleaming apex
somber mirage
it's like VETS, they share a single brain cell and it constantly disappears
they share 0 braincells and smiley's dog just gives them random instructions to see what happens
gleaming apex
New theory:
Since the elves were always trying to reach Orphion, they influenced him to become just as useless as they are
somber mirage
NAH
elves are just so old they have super alzheimer's
I mean if a human has to worry about it at 80 years old
imagine the elves
becoming immortal only worsened their condition
gleaming apex
Seriously those stupid elves, if you're so guilty over opening the portals why don't you DO ANYTHING to help? Like I'm sure the country being ravaged by the portal you caused could use some materials from your master craftsmen, or some powerful spellcasters, or just send some emeralds over
gleaming apex
You don't have to say it was your fault, you could just pretend you're feeling generous
somber mirage
but it's true their elders were talmbout sum "us elves are by default WAYYY stronger than you humans"
ah
b word censored
ok bruh then go put that supposed power to use
gleaming apex
Like you said you don't want to reveal it's your fault, sure, but you can just make up any other reason to help
hybrid gazelle
wait wrong gif
gleaming apex
Lol
somber mirage
me when I blatanly avoid responsibility for that world I destroyed
hybrid gazelle
somber mirage
Fruma's MK ultra thing more moral than the elves????
gleaming apex
They could even just say they think the corruption is a blight on the world and it would be perfectly believable for their better than thou attitude
somber mirage
or they could, like, say nothing
we clearly don't have any connection to the corruption
gleaming apex
Like there's no reason for them not to at the very least send resources over
somber mirage
why are we going out there and fighting literally everyone to stop it?
somber mirage
Like there's no reason for them not to at the very least send resources over
wait doesn't aldorei cannonically not have free healthcare
bro they don't want to send anything 💀
they can't even spare some medicine for that elf guy's dad
left warren
they can't even spare some medicine for that elf guy's dad
I think it was because it was a sacred plant or some bullshit
not because he couldn't afford it
hybrid gazelle
oh aldorei secrect is just
weird quest
I think most of gavel stuff should not tbe take with grain of salt LOL
it was during weird time in wynncraft
left warren
it was during weird time in wynncraft
nah man idk what you talkin about, canned abis is totally normal and Shattered Minds quest is just a fun silly time
somber mirage
wait wait
I think there's a secret discovery that reveals the frog from shattered minds is real
and
gleaming apex
Yeah it is if I remember
somber mirage
dr legendary has stated that he got the idea for yahyabot from a hallucination
so
shattered minds is cannonically the same for everyone
therefore it is NOT
a hallucination
you are being transfered to another plain of existence
gleaming apex
I think you are hallucinating, but also you're like enlightened so the frog is speaking to you while you're tripping
somber mirage
and while you do that someone else is piloting your body
probably orphion since intelligent creatures don't drown themselves
wait brb
gleaming apex
You're seeing another plane of existence, but your body is still receiving the same commands
somber mirage
alright fair point, but orphion piloting and being so useless he fell in the pond fits my agenda better
on a completely unrelated note
someone clear this up
Siegfried was an actual hero at some point
but he died
so now Big Gavel hires actors to pretend they're Siegfried and kills them so they don't speak?
and dumps their bodies inside Siegfried's grave?
or was Siegfried not real and it was always just actors?
gloomy idol
or was Siegfried not real and it was always just actors?
Presumably the there was an original Siegfried and when he died a few other heroes rose to take the mantle and then it got corrupted over time to being the faux hero actor stuff
gleaming apex
I'm pretty sure Gavel originally tried to replace him with other people as heroes but they sucked and died so they just decided to do actors to pacify the public
clear scaffold
i think the first three were at least semi actual heroes?
or first two... then yeah it went to hell
somber mirage
ah also we found out there's a prison in Gavel that kidnaps people and extracts their souls from them or whatever and just left it there
how I feel when I leave the evil prison people alone knowing damn well I could lowkey wipe them out
hybrid gazelle
If you laugh you go to hell
autumn patrol
Makes sense, Orphion is so dumb because Lari's stupidity spread through the netw...
You can't say that about the goat.
Please tell him @left warren
violet anvil
You can't say that about the goat.
Please tell him <@1054615707037470814>
who exactly is the goat here
autumn patrol
who exactly is the goat here
Lari
violet anvil
lari is quite literally the single most polarising character i know of
strange tundra
sharp mango
hello lore discussion
the annihilation that we see is a baby and thats the reason why it looks like its crawling out of the portal
its small enough to fit through!
also prey tend to develop horns to protect themselves from predators! anni has horns which implies they are just prey for something bigger yo
heh…
clearly this implies that anni as a species is common in the realm of war! ho ho ho
this is a genius theory
sharp mango
clearly this implies an ancestor of orphion is related to deer !
also sometimes stuff cant be practical 😢 evolution is random
quartz mist
Yansur said Qira could stop the corruption
nope- he said qira was once called upon by gavel's governments to stop the decay. yansur insists that she is strong enough to have done it, but she declined. some supplementary material from a while ago had qira explain a little further- that no, she could not have fixed the decay, people just think she's strong enough to have done
quartz mist
backreading, gimme a min
somber mirage
I wanna 1v1 the author
somber mirage
backreading, gimme a min
no worries no worries
also I still believe in her
she will study up and become Orphion, but better
quartz mist
what supplementary material?
I wrote some extended lore drabbles on some hive related stuff that ive been slowly pushing to canonize ingame bit by bit, thats where the hive servant Orja came from as an example
somber mirage
she just needs to go to the magic school
quartz mist
I wanna 1v1 the author
PUT UP THINE DUKES THEN, KNAVE, FOR THOU HAST FOUND THINE TARGET
somber mirage
ALRIGHT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, IN 10 HOURS ON EU32 THEN
at the hive since it's thematic
somber mirage
ALRIGHT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, IN 10 HOURS ON EU32 THEN
EU64*
a whole stack of european servers
quartz mist
but yeah, the deal with that is, its like asking an expert potter to repair a broken dam as a civil engineering project. you can definitely see how people could think the skills would transfer over, but they dont. her specialties lie elsewhere and the villager governments were making a lot of incorrect assumptions based on limited information
somber mirage
that's a good analogy, I like it
YOU KNOW WHY??
because if the potter studies to be ome a civil engineer THEY WILL FIX THE DAM 🔥
Qira order of the grook magic school arc when??
quartz mist
id hope that whenever we get around to movesetting up the hive we can touch up and integrate its lore better
celest falcon
the hive needs a revamp?
Yes
quartz mist
well we have a whole-ass upgraded new mob system to use
somber mirage
alright I accept that
somber mirage
well we have a whole-ass upgraded new mob system to use
wait fruma update has that?
celest falcon
Rekindled
somber mirage
bro them devs got their hands full 😭
quartz mist
was introduced earlier than that for stuff like raid bosses n such, rekindled
quartz mist
i think the only mobs in fruma that dont use the moveset system are like, the very oldest mobs made for the update, and weve been trying to update any we find
but yeah hive is as old as gavel and came out in 2015
somber mirage
wait are there plans for Tower of Ascension to also get a revamp?
somber mirage
but yeah hive is as old as gavel and came out in 2015
the big strong demon lady is
...11??
that's like 2 years younger than metal gear rising
quartz mist
in terms of years the content has existed yeah, storywise no
somber mirage
in terms of years the content has existed yeah, storywise no
ah alright good
Qira dark souls boss when??
quartz mist
i mean, if every characters age was based on when the content released no one in wynn could even have a learners permit yet
somber mirage
fruma queen is 0 years old 🗣️
candid cliff
I'm hoping for more difficult wynn bosses
sharp mango
friend
somber mirage
I'm hoping for more difficult wynn bosses
do the ironman challenge
sharp mango
clearly dern beast is the friend
somber mirage
if you're too strong for the bosses, instead if buffing them you can nerf yourself 🔥
somber mirage
clearly dern beast is the friend
the friend?
which friend?
I suspect dern beast is the canary
because of the terraria reference
exotic bough
I'm hoping for more difficult wynn bosses
Well do I have news for you
slim belfry
Well do I have news for you
(they already played beta)
exotic bough
buh
regal walrus
for those who know
Hehehe I just watched that video
gleaming apex
I can't remember does corn exist?
icy juniper
I know we don't actually "kill Theorick" but can it be assumed that the fight between Theorick and the player is a baseline for Theorick's "power level" or are we supposed to be boosted by the corruption in the "What If" of AHC
somber mirage
you know what? I'd wager we're actually nerfed
since we had to treat the corrupter of worlds like this unkillable thing while we coould kill it in temple of legends
I don't remember when Bakal said "ah good job I'll save you for later missions :D", but if he said so at the theorick flashback then my logic seems... sound, I guess?
quartz mist
it was at the corrupter bit
somber mirage
damn 😔
well, then it could be that we actually were made specifically for the purpose of fighting theorick
quartz mist
i dont imagine those scenarios really have any continuity
still zodiac
Does the fallen archetype use the same corruption as bakhal, a weaker version? How does that work without losing ur mind
hybrid gazelle
Does the fallen archetype use the same corruption as bakhal, a weaker version? H...
archetype is not canon to wynncraft lore that much
okay so take it as this
canon lore -> archetype
canon lore <-/- Arhcetype
they are just reference to the canon materials
but not the canon material itself
still zodiac
Ah i see
hybrid gazelle
but like it fine if you interept it somethign else tho
like nothing really stopping you to have fun with your character creation
still zodiac
True that my cannon is just that ur using a nerfed version of the corruption therefor u dont lose ur mind
I dont think i understand corruption that much tho void and light i feel like is preety straight forward but corruption idk
hybrid gazelle
I dont think i understand corruption that much tho void and light i feel like is...
Corruption is light and dark clash into one another
fruma story give us more of this but I dont wanna spoil it
but what you need to know
that corruption is what happen when Light and dark clash together
and it's essentially anti-life
it not mutate
it kill and reanimate
still zodiac
Oh i see ive played trough the entire game i must have missed that 😭
hybrid gazelle
it's basically choas incarnate
even the devils mob you see are actually injured because they ripping each other apart
you dont see it in game
but their injur yahve lore by their designer
still zodiac
Thank god for theorick
How did bob go again? I remember doing a quest with him but dont remember what happened to him
Was it corruption?
slim belfry
we don't know
there is an implication that it has to do with the realm of darkness or silent expanse
hybrid gazelle
How did bob go again? I remember doing a quest with him but dont remember what h...
he go to gateway island
and try to seal something
and boom gone
still zodiac
So he just disepared huh
hybrid gazelle
yeah
still zodiac
Man i cant wait for fruma but i gotta catch up on the lore holy 😭
Any good youtube videos explaining it?
slim belfry
lore is always updating is another thing
still zodiac
Ah i was really confused during the last quest in silant expanse
slim belfry
what confused you?
still zodiac
Bakhall i dont feel like i saw him alot troughout the game and then on the last one he seemed to just be everywhere
What even happened to him?
slim belfry
did you play realm of light
still zodiac
The quest b4 the orphion raid?
slim belfry
yes
still zodiac
Yes that was a while ago tho
I remember alot of flashbacks to the elf doing jack shit about the parasite
Was bakhal there to?
slim belfry
he invaded during the last quest
if you're gonna play fruma I HIGHLY recommend playing the quest line again because fruma requires it
or watch a video of someone playing
either is fine
still zodiac
Maybe i should make a diff build anyways
I kinda want to go for assasin trickster or shaman summoner idk wich is better tho
slim belfry
oh hey go with both that's what I did
candid cliff
Bakhall i dont feel like i saw him alot troughout the game and then on the last ...
"I better keep my ass in the dark realm!! or IM FINISHED ❗ ❗"
candid cliff
if you're gonna play fruma I HIGHLY recommend playing the quest line again becau...
Also they updated dialogue in it (AJB, AJF)
still zodiac
Ok but we dont know what happened to the elf after her and bakal dipped right?
hybrid gazelle
Ok but we dont know what happened to the elf after her and bakal dipped right?
yeah we dont know
hardy rose
they were colonized
ohh ok ty for explanation
why is Orphion such a loser tho lwky like the Dern beast's single eye is a whole ass boss meanwhile Orphion is a boss that loses a fight to the parasite before the player even gets there
spring kernel
First person to get into the lore through cool music leitmotifs
hybrid gazelle
why is Orphion such a loser tho lwky like the Dern beast's single eye is a whole...
To give credit to Orphion
Saying that paeasite defeat Orphion is stupid is like saying human fucking suck for losing to tapeworm
It like
Thst the entire of parasite lol
That like be surprise gun a weapon made to kill people
Kill people
violet anvil
i mean yeah but orphion is literally light
like the concept of it
regal spire
Im gonna replay the game on Fruma launch, anyways. However, idk what to play
I’m torn between Shaman and Mage
candid cliff
warrior
paper wyvern
i mean yeah but orphion is literally light
like the concept of it
And the parasite was specifically made to counter that concept
regal spire
warrior
That’s for my partner
I’m thinking Shaman because of the ritualist buffs, and the awesome looking puppets. But, riftwalker is also a super attractive option
vestal rivet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kXJaFl306M
so uh
monarch butterflies
the same kind of pattern miss queenie herself has the motif of
they teased this an entire year ago lol
dry aspen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kXJaFl306M
so uh
monarch butterflies
the same k...
even more than that, they had a teaser for 2 years now, with the espren town music being posted
that and a brief cinematic teaser
vestal rivet
even more than that, they had a teaser for 2 years now, with the espren town mus...
yeah but this one went unnoticed
which is my point
being vague will do that though
azure tangle
Espren teaser had a royal butterfly fly across at the end too
or was that 6th sovereign
lavish knot
Espren teaser
gleaming apex
So will the dern beast have an eyepatch in the future?
hybrid gazelle
I dont think so consider how important the eye is
having dern beast just regrow eye just feel devalue the entire SE storyline LOL
neat oriole
sacrifice aledar for nohting
odd tiger
Is there a video or wiki post that summarizes the plot of all the quests of the main quest line ? I have finished all of them a long time ago and don't remember anything for Fruma D:
hybrid gazelle
Is there a video or wiki post that summarizes the plot of all the quests of the ...
I would take my lore summary with grain of salt
dim plover
Is there a video or wiki post that summarizes the plot of all the quests of the ...
Which main quest line
There's a couple
coarse elk
I dont think so consider how important the eye is
considering that the eye grew in size after it left the dern beast it makes sense to me that it would at least have some kind of regen
hybrid gazelle
yes that fair but ta the same for narrative purpose it just feel pointless to kill the eye and suddenly like OOOP the dern beast can regrow it with 0 cost
it just feel devaluing the entire storyline and set the player progression back because all of this shit can be just again
yes under the right circumstance this kind of writing can be really effective
but it does not really work when getting the eye cause like
An ENTIRE expansion round it
dim plover
I mean to be fair taking down a seemingly unsurmountable threat and/ or obstacle after great effort only to then find out there's like a hundred more of those things incoming is a pretty cool trope
dim plover
Imagine meeting Dern Beast and then from the shadows like fifty eyes come out to meet you and you think "Oh I barely scratched this damn thing"
pine flower
that is been done before
In Wynn too?
dim plover
Nah
dim plover
But it's an effective trope when done right though
hybrid gazelle
I MEAN
there is meteor I guess???
the crystals thing
like that is the closet thing we got
dim plover
Crystals are of more "you experienced <thing> and now you learn that there are different variants of that thing"
dim plover
That doesn't really lend to the previously mentioned trope though
hybrid gazelle
yeah I meant the crystal
it not but it litertally the closet thing in wynncraft
as I said
it's closet thing
dim plover
Would make more sense if they uncover like, a whole cavern of these crystals growing for miles
Because then there's the feeling of "oh god I only dealt with like, one of each and now you're telling me there's hundreds more"
odd tiger
Which main quest line
all the ones in dark green in the quest book
dim plover
all the ones in dark green in the quest book
Yeah those just indicate questline quests but they’re not connected
I think the longest one is like, 5 quests
hybrid gazelle
all the ones in dark green in the quest book
just use this but just prepare to like
casti this shit into the void when fruma got release
cause
shut hornet
where the hell is this dialogue from
i have some problems with humans using "big-nosed" as an insult for villagers
edgy loom
one of the people after you unlock the crate crane discovery
edgy loom
i have some problems with humans using "big-nosed" as an insult for villagers
LOL
please don't remove it
the people here are RACIST
hey it's worldbuilding
shut hornet
not that its much better that the villagers are constantly racist to the player but when villagers are already considered by some to be some kind of projection of antisemitism, it isnt wonderful that wynn npc dialogue.. complements that
edgy loom
not that its much better that the villagers are constantly racist to the player ...
tbf that's minecraft's fault
shut hornet
i really fucking hate the worldbuilding in gavel reborn genuinely
they left it a mess but made the villagers racist and called it a day
edgy loom
well I mean
racism is uh. part of uh. worldbuilding
it IS more realistic than everyone just being fine with one another 
but I wonder what they were cooking with the gerts quest
shut hornet
sure but its not great when its one of the only things they added to gavels worldbuilding
edgy loom
sure but its not great when its one of the only things they added to gavels worl...
yeah thats true
gavel in general is...... weird
shut hornet
i like it conceptually because its cool to show racism from an angle where you are sort of a victim to it but its like half the villager dialogue now
hybrid gazelle
sure but its not great when its one of the only things they added to gavels worl...
Gavel reborn just face the problem where they add so many thing but then have nothing else to expand on them
shut hornet
like half of the villagers just call you a short nose for no reason
hybrid gazelle
so everything just feel so flat and shallow
dwarves and elves exist only by obligation
cunning geode
like half of the villagers just call you a short nose for no reason
it's because it's true, my nose is short 😔
hybrid gazelle
Villagers being shoved in for no reason so they kinda stick out like a sore thumb
despite Gavel being high fantasy
shut hornet
i have a lot of ideas to improve gavels worldbuilding and i would love a chance to do some of them
hybrid gazelle
Gavel desperately need it
Other spieces barely have interact with one and another
shut hornet
trashie how do you like the worldbuilding in fruma
edgy loom
just more stuff that shows that light is inherently better than dark
shut hornet
we actually put in effort this time
hybrid gazelle
yeah I can see that
started from the fact that not everything in Fruma feel like it exist by obligation LOL
but that mostly because fruma conceptualize with a strong concept rather than "make a high fantasy province"
there so much potential lying in Gavel to contrast itself with Wynn province
I do think storyline like ROL just heavily suffer from it as well
because there never time where you get to familarize yourself with the world building because they barely give you any
shut hornet
i really like gavel as a high fantasy province i just wish it had actual structured worldbuilding
shut hornet
with fruma one of the first considerations with each area was stuff like the local culture so we could flesh that out
hybrid gazelle
each sapience barely expand at all
too many spieces cluster up roster and trying to take spotlight
villager exist
shut hornet
in gavel and wynn there isnt really a sense of culture at all
hybrid gazelle
yeah
there only implication but the yare not there fully in the game
we can only go off by guess
shut hornet
i cant wait to eventually redo a bunch of gavel mobs with the new systems cause the high fantasy angle is so lovely and i think we can do some fun stuff with it
i especially love light forest
i want light forest to feel like youre in a fairytale
maybe even some creepiness to it like those freaky sorts of fairies where they haunt your house and steal your keys
hybrid gazelle
yeah
Gavel really need that
it also would make the Light more wird
also minor nitpick but i feel like Light FOrest shoudl be more weird
it's region influnece by Light itself
thing should be more wild there
like also ne of the nitpick I have is that it clear that back then
they dont really know what asthetic they want
so the Light just got this very tame fantasy style
taht I feel is so outdated consider how skillful the team at designing
because even ROL got mobs liek this until 2.1 come and save it
edgy loom
the wynn plains ultimate discovery literally teases the fact bob was the only person stopping bak'al
and that he's been missing for years
there better be a damn good reason why bak'al's goofy ass isnt doing anything
candid cliff
Humiliation
Tbf it took Bakal like 400 years to get to where he was at the point of ultimate discovery
edgy loom
honestly it does make me wonder
candid cliff
Bob forced him back and killed his army
Which allowed troms, ragni etc
To regroup
edgy loom
why didnt the dern beast send bak'al to defend the eye, but sent him for the parasite
candid cliff
Tbf it took Bakal like 400 years to get to where he was at the point of ultimate...
It didn't take him a week
edgy loom
Bob forced him back and killed his army
ohh so he could be preparing another siege
candid cliff
You also have to consider that the map in lore is much bigger than it is really
It took Bak'al ~4 years to cross from river seperating detlas and nivla to Ragni
Of course you have to consider the battles and all to that but if it was a kilometer walk it wouldn't have taken nearly as long
candid cliff
To regroup
886 AP > 984 AP
They had a lot of time to regain power
Probably in that time Bak'al also went to recover himself and that's when he was reached out to, like us by Orphion. Taking Gavel matters more importantly
buoyant depot
You also have to consider that the map in lore is much bigger than it is really
it would be so awesome if the ingame map was closer to that scale than what it is now
candid cliff
why didnt the dern beast send bak'al to defend the eye, but sent him for the par...
Dern beast seems to have underestimated the player overall
candid cliff
it would be so awesome if the ingame map was closer to that scale than what it i...
Not really possible unfortunately
candid cliff
Dern beast seems to have underestimated the player overall
They didn't really account for us in RoL and overestimated Bak'al abilities
Only (probably) sent Bak'al to deal with us AND Lari
violet anvil
tbf a rat could probably beat lari
candid cliff
if that rat can make a barrier the size of a city then yea maybe
violet anvil
no because lari would just refuse to kill it
edgy loom
hold on, why were there zombies in the lazarus pit quest?
I know the lazarus pit water was reviving them, but
I thought it was reviving corrupted zombies
but the corruption hasnt gotten to gavel, has it?
so do revived people come back as zombies? even though dullahan kept his intelligence?
candid cliff
What would you say is the worst thing the player character has done
Excluding AHC of course
candid cliff
I think it's Acquiring credentials where we kill 3-4 innocent guards and steal a airship
mossy badge
Killing the cows
Killed an innocent newborn cow for a ritual 🔥
tawdry mural
What would you say is the worst thing the player character has done
stop petting pip
regal walrus
Killing Winston
hybrid gazelle
not hte worst but definitely bad
deserting
candid cliff
Winston is actually a robot so not really
regal walrus
not hte worst but definitely bad
deserting
Wdym
regal walrus
Winston is actually a robot so not really
Oh yeah I forgot
mossy badge
Winston is actually a robot so not really
Is that even confirmed
tawdry mural
Winston is actually a robot so not really
its quite literally a kick the puppy moment
candid cliff
not hte worst but definitely bad
deserting
wait when
hybrid gazelle
Wdym
the player leave for gavel without notice to the admiral and just do their own thing for god know how long
candid cliff
oh
hybrid gazelle
after road to peace
candid cliff
oh yeah they mention that too
hybrid gazelle
there litterally barely any millitary operation they partake in
literally been absent
candid cliff
Is that even confirmed
ingame no
hybrid gazelle
and the fact that they came back to Wynn with 0 consequence
is definitely odd
consider all of this take place UNDER a year
beside that
IDk what else
probably kill that maiden
she just ugly and probably not even good fighter
there literally 0 reason to kill her
when you could just
incapitated her without killing her
she probably not even a threat
regal walrus
the player leave for gavel without notice to the admiral and just do their own t...
What admiral
candid cliff
like the girl in Maltic kidnapped a child at least
regal walrus
Is this a fruma thing
candid cliff
and she's the one who started fighting us. but the maiden literally none
regal walrus
Oh Annie
hybrid gazelle
he literally work with you in aranchind ascend
but according to ARG
it imply player was there in Annie
so I am not really sure
maybe they still part of the army
but hteir absence definitely
not good
regal walrus
Yeah but they doing other stuff
hybrid gazelle
that not a good excuse
regal walrus
Plus it’s been less than a year so it’s fine
hybrid gazelle
when your job is a soldier
hybrid gazelle
Plus it’s been less than a year so it’s fine
that still not good excuse
it not even fine
when Wynn is a place with battle take place
quite often
and lives said to be loss every day
I dont think millitary is a kind of job where you can tell your boss that you going to have vacation and just leave
and also the fact that it's under a year is even worse because here the thing
ID kabout other country
but country like mine have liek 2 years requirement to serve under millitary if ROTC is not taken
that 2 fucking years of required millitary
take that logic
and now implement in to the world full of undead and conflict for territory
tawdry mural
iirc aegis did say that after IP there was no orders for the player, so they have some reason to screw around in gavel
also the players never like given anything by the military, all their stuff is pretty much bought with their own money, although it would be funny if the wynncraft irs came along and asked for taxes and the player has to go on an acquiring credentials level quest to burn their tax records or smth
hybrid gazelle
iirc aegis did say that after IP there was no orders for the player, so they hav...
even then it's assume they would have order later in the future
WHICH WOUDL BE GIVEN TO THEM
IF THYE ARE NOT FUCK OFF TO NO WHERE
this shit is like wondering why you not getting a job order when you living in like
some fuck off island where nobody can contact you
like ofc yeah you would not have order afterward
and just because you have no order does not mean you get to just fuck off to somewhere else
tawdry mural
they on break, send them an email and theyll get back to ragni when they get back, at least, thats how i interpret it, the soldier term looks to be a gameplay explanation of why the player has all the armor and weapons and license to kill
hybrid gazelle
also even then player still recruits by Fruma
they pretty much obligated to stay in Wynn until their service is done, whatever how long that is
definitely make the entire program pointless
becuase that said troops you getting decide to just leave
this shit is like having your teacher give you a member for group project
but that member go to fuck off nowhere
so the point of group project kinda missing when you are the only one working
vestal rivet
they weren't specific about just staying in Wynn in the Queen's Recruit quest at least
queenie here seemed to assume you saw the light influences in Gavel
hybrid gazelle
they weren't specific about just staying in Wynn in the Queen's Recruit quest at...
tbh I see it as that like eventually the fruma recruits would serve their service
and be able to explore the world
therefore running into the light or dark
vestal rivet
to our credit
99% of players are doing quests all throughout wynn before moving on to Gavel, and even then we keep coming back to help until Troms runs out of stuff for us to do
hybrid gazelle
to our credit
99% of players are doing quests all throughout wynn before moving ...
Best thing I can see them doing rn
Is recontextualize these events
Because at some point
Ct imply they want to adjust timeline I think??
So the current story in the game won’t take place under a year
gleaming apex
Here's a question: if the dern beast can make it's eye go do it's bidding in the world at large, why can't Orphion send like his left antler or some other body part to go flying around to do stuff for him
regal walrus
Orphion has the player
And also he is less strong
Orphion got overpowered by the Dern beast servant (the parasite)
paper wyvern
Here's a question: if the dern beast can make it's eye go do it's bidding in the...
orphion prefers to delegate, unfortunately the person he delgated to is lari
vapid path
Lutho pillar is orphion’s unicorn horn
formal bridge
Here's a question: if the dern beast can make it's eye go do it's bidding in the...
Orphion in general seems extremely passive in personality. Considering that the mage archetype surrounding orphion is all about healing and much less attacking, vs corrupted warriors which sacrifice health to deal more damage? I feel it's just a part of the nature of light and dark. orphion is just a far more passive person in general, compared to the Dern Beast who has Bak'al who they directly communicate with and order around
regal walrus
Also just in general light has been on the defense
They are very badly losing this war
The player is the only reason they have a fighting chance
spring kernel
Orphion in general seems extremely passive in personality. Considering that the ...
Well archetypes aren't canon to the actual lore, but fallen isn't affiliated with darkness but with corruption
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Speaking overall, would you say that the player's character (I dunno if they would have any have some sort of generic title or whatever) is meant to be some sort of anti-hero or whatever? I'm likely guessing they'd mostly be True Neutral but idk
This is mostly theoretical as well, since there is no morale system unlike Elder Scrolls
slim belfry
seems to be neutral with some bits of anti-hero
moments like tunnel trouble comes to mind
hybrid gazelle
TBH I again firm believer that player character is up to interpreptation
and you should decide if your character moral alignment is
proven quail
||does lari die at the end of Realm of Light V?||
hybrid gazelle
||does lari die at the end of Realm of Light V?||
it meant to be open note
wahteve rshe alive or dead we dont know
proven quail
it meant to be open note
i see
hybrid gazelle
but like you know how it is when it come stuff like this
proven quail
so thats the last time we see them?
hybrid gazelle
yeah
proven quail
damn
lavish knot
Speaking overall, would you say that the player's character (I dunno if they wou...
Personally, very much up to interpretation. Even when accounting the canon main quests (dark green ones), it's very open ended of how you'd view your character
So that's kinda why I love hearing how other people's player character are like
warm adder
i hope lari is dead
hybrid gazelle
So that's kinda why I love hearing how other people's player character are like
yeah it open up a lot of how they choose to create their own experience
I think wynncraft benefit a lot from player tyring to come up with their own character and roleplay as them
trying to fit how their character benefit or play a role in the narrative that wynncraft set for them
it like DND campagiun
essentially
it pretty much DND campagin
ivory cedar
and you should decide if your character moral alignment is
I wish it was like this, but orphion does only choose you specifically because your moral beliefs align with his
and it's really weird because you can just do the opposite of that decision in the iron heart quest anyways
hybrid gazelle
Willingly kill shit to progress your goal still pretty board
ivory cedar
it's really strangely made imo
ivory cedar
Willingly kill shit to progress your goal still pretty board
I mean the dilemma he sets up definitely has some nuance
someone illegally abducts and kills people for profit, but the result helps people guard cities and towns
hybrid gazelle
also that ROL thing pretty ass anyway LMAOOO
hybrid gazelle
I think some CT did take issue for it
so maybe it will be remove when rewrite come but who know
quest talk about gray morality yet it railroad you
ivory cedar
yeah they'll prob do a LOT of stuff for ROL when rewriting lmao
ivory cedar
quest talk about gray morality yet it railroad you
yeah and it's weird because you can literally choose to end the golem factory anyways in the iron heart quest
you could see it like ur character is lying on a job application ig lmao
hybrid gazelle
it is and it just weird
it also just feel like the quest attempt to sound smart
but it really is not
the theme that it explore surface level at best
which is sad
because there is a potential to use the concept of morality in wynncraft setting
becuase here the thing
player character start off in Wynn
a place where evil undead everywhere so killing them is literally has no moral conseuqence and ALWAYS the right thing
which then would become player default mindset as they play wynncraft
HOwever with Lari
she would present intresting point that here in Gavel
ivory cedar
yeah I mean there really aren't many places where morals do anything
hybrid gazelle
there are no absolutely evil undead
most of the time they are animal trying to survive
ivory cedar
well
hybrid gazelle
for the sake of the story that point
there are evil thing but I am talking about shit you encoutner normally
I would call a fucking frog to be pinnacle of evil
ivory cedar
I hate Lari's writing bc she goes as far as lying to her friend to keep being a pacifist
but she gets jealous of you and attacks you
hybrid gazelle
but yeah
Lari moral d ohave jusitication(the quest just never bother to expand on it)
that most of the time you will deal with these wild creatures trying to survive
so it kinda not right to just kill them espically when you have power to spare them
ivory cedar
but the parasite is not a wild beast trying to survive
hybrid gazelle
yeah but I am not talking about parasite am I
ivory cedar
it was specifically sent by the dern beast to spread decay
hybrid gazelle
I am talking about wild creature you would encounter
ivory cedar
many of them just attack you on sight
hybrid gazelle
that include grootslang
but ofc there something otherworldly
most animals you see in decay
are mostly sick, starved creatures
they only attack you on sight becuase that how the game capable of at that time
but genreally they are simply animals trying to survive
ivory cedar
I mean you say that
but they are still trying to kill you
it's fair to say that they are trying to survive
hybrid gazelle
yeah because they are desperate for survival\
ivory cedar
but does the player not have the right to try and survive as well
hybrid gazelle
never say that
just saying just like Lari
player also have power to spare them
knocking them out, pacify, or any other way
hybrid gazelle
you dont see it rn becuase the quest literally does not bother to expand this idea LOL
ivory cedar
idk how a mage would just knock out a kandrekk spiritbinder
hybrid gazelle
heck Lari barely do anything right even tho she literally have pretty reasonable view point to not kill these wild animals
hybrid gazelle
idk how a mage would just knock out a kandrekk spiritbinder
again you bring up literally non animals creature here
in kander forest no less
ivory cedar
heck Lari barely do anything right even tho she literally have pretty reasonable...
Yeah but no one is talking about just random wild animals
I think most ppl agree it's fair to not want to kill random wild animals
but lari refused to kill the parasite
which is what most ppl have problems with
hybrid gazelle
yeah ofc which what I about to get to
ivory cedar
I agree the quest could have expanded upon her morals
hybrid gazelle
Darkness and light intervening of the world have cause Lari's pacifism woudl be reasonable
ivory cedar
It really should have
hybrid gazelle
is no longer is
and I simply think that intresting take on that idea
that ROL should have explore more
the reason it did not because it never show Lari succeed in anything
so you just think Lari way just utterly failure when it really not if she simply only dealing with starved and sick creatures which what should she would be dealing with in most of the time
ivory cedar
honestly there just aren't that many starving and sick creatures
if you wander into Kander forest
hybrid gazelle
yeah which is why I say
the game never explore this prespective
it just try to amplify Lari's flaw so much
hybrid gazelle
by putting her up against otherworldly threat
uhh IDK about that one
this is lore discussion so I
limber wave
i cant use the texture pack of the server
hybrid gazelle
maybe you should go to #❓questions
limber wave
i already have
ivory cedar
how to fix resource reload error
what version are you on
limber wave
what version are you on
1.21.11
limber wave
try 1.21.4 ig
alr
regal walrus
It’s before that questline
So nothing
It’s assumed that time flows forward with your level
spring kernel
Nothing happens, the quest plays out normally
rotund gust
he revives like jesus just for that quest before returning to the grave
edgy loom
are zombie pigmen relevant to the lore
there's a secret discovery that says they're made from.... magic beams emanating from corruption crystlas
paper wyvern
Canonically quests happen at level
vestal rivet
but levels are not canon!
otherwise a random troll in CotL is stronger than corrupted Theorick and Rickeo both
slim belfry
I'd reckon that levels aren't canon to determine strength (please no) but rather progression
chilly tulip
Cool, was getting gloomy roses in the Void and I found a the hand and sword of the Sky Islands Colossus
glossy moon
Just a quick question, who does Bak’al actually work for? I am aware that from quests and secret discoveries he works for the Dern Beast, but if his powers came from the corruption, is he also loyal to the realm of war? And presumably the beast of war?
Is it implied that he has another master or is it solely the Dern Beast?
hybrid gazelle
Just a quick question, who does Bak’al actually work for? I am aware that from q...
Corruption is mindless
Bak’al would have no one to be loyal to if he does work for corruption side
So as we know en
Just Dern beast
paper wyvern
but levels are not canon!
yes levels are representative of the strength of the player, and everything at a level happens when the player is at that level of strength
hybrid gazelle
Player for some reason having stength to fight Amadel only to bested up by 4 orcs
lavish knot
Player "Go on, hit me" Wynncraft
slim belfry
I'm leaning towards relative strength but feel like that has its own opposite issues
hybrid gazelle
Sometime you gotta stop giving a shit and just take it as player’s experience as they venture out through the world
Idk if it just me but I never see this kind of convo in other community
So I am not sure why it such a topic to talk about
whole river
powerscaling has ruined media enjoyment
sometimes you get hit in the head it doesnt mean you are fodder
tawny arrow
i find levels really funny because they imply that the average fruma poacher is strong enough to go through the silent expanse
clear scaffold
sometimes you get hit in the head it doesnt mean you are fodder
to be fair the player gets a LOT of hits in the head
to the point i genuinely think there is actual brain damage because it's double digits i think?
hybrid gazelle
I found this entire convo to be confusing becase like
would not we want player to be not overpower so the story have stake?
lavish knot
I think it'd be boring if all of the problems are solves through battle, which most of them we won
misty horizon
Aldorei storyline is prolly the most insane thing I have witnessed in Wynncraft so far
like part I is only about minor robbery thing, while part II is literally lore nuke drop
and ending of part II is tenfold better if you did all ROL quests before
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and ending of part II is tenfold better if you did all ROL quests before
Fair enough, although idk if what happened back then was the sole cause of the corruption war or whatever
But also Lari did try to prevent such to no prevail
misty horizon
Fair enough, although idk if what happened back then was the sole cause of the c...
from what I understood, since elves opened Realm of Light portal, other portals also opened
so it triggered a chain reaction
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Yep
misty horizon
and i guess because they opened a portal, a parasite from physical world entered Realm of Light
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I think the portals being closed was meant to be for a reason - to avoid this crapshow in the first place
misty horizon
and started decay process
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Yep
misty horizon
which in process started RoL questline
misty horizon
I think the portals being closed was meant to be for a reason - to avoid this cr...
yep
i thought Aldorei questline was average
but they perfected ending
prob one of my favorite quests so far
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Understandable, it did also explain part of the cause of the reason why there is the decay in the first place
But I suppose completing all of the RoL questline prior does kind of make Aldorei's Secret Pt 2 make more sense I would hope
misty horizon
Understandable, it did also explain part of the cause of the reason why there is...
it also connected dots with portal in wynn tho
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Yep
misty horizon
for a very long time i quite didn't understood why war started at all into Wynn
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Fair enough
misty horizon
But I suppose completing all of the RoL questline prior does kind of make Aldore...
it is. it's like imagine you are watching a tv show, and then there is one episode that shows prequel
the small scene with Lari, when she was entering portal for the first time was cherry on the top
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Of course we still have the portal of darkness which is currently gatekept by an NPC who is quite literally named ???, who is the quest giver for "What If?" quest A Hunter's Calling
misty horizon
Of course we still have the portal of darkness which is currently gatekept by an...
sorry i can't read it, I am keeping myself from spoilers
but it is something about third portal
misty horizon
oh okay, then i won't read it
gleaming apex
Something I've been thinking about, it seems unbalanced in how the corruption is the meeting of light and dark, but it really seems to benefit the dark way more and the corrupted seemingly obey the dark.
misty horizon
Well just so you know AHC isn't canon in any way shape or form
i see. thanks for info
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Well I was also told that the nether was retconned, although idk if or how the corruption portal is related to the portal of darkness or light
misty horizon
Something I've been thinking about, it seems unbalanced in how the corruption is...
it make sense tho, since there is a key difference between pure good
for characters beyond our imagination such as oprhion, they don't mind killing if it serves the good
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Okay I'll stop talking about Dern for now
misty horizon
for physical characters, ultimate good means pacifism to extreme levels, which what Lari was doing
slim belfry
Something I've been thinking about, it seems unbalanced in how the corruption is...
the corruption doesnt serve the dark, only bak'al does
misty horizon
the whole reason why Decay happened is that dark was trying to win by any means necessary
gleaming apex
Doesn't Bak'al command the corrupted
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for characters beyond our imagination such as oprhion, they don't mind killing i...
I guess this also is appropriate since our character doesn't have any moral alignment as there isn't really much canon about the moral choices they make
misty horizon
while light was trying to be nice
misty horizon
I guess this also is appropriate since our character doesn't have any moral alig...
yep
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Ofc this is kind of YMMV
slim belfry
he can command the corrupted yes but that doesnt mean that it's all for the dark
gleaming apex
I guess but it just seems like the corrupted act as an army for the dark as of now
I'm all for seeing otherwise in the future tho
misty horizon
I guess this also is appropriate since our character doesn't have any moral alig...
so basically from pre-ROL V info (ROL V included):
- elves opened portal for selfish reasons
- it started chain reactions across the whole world (it opened all 3 portals)
- parasite entered RoL and started decay
- Dark was winning overl Light for some time because moral compass of mortals was different from the light
this is how I understood so far
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I guess but it just seems like the corrupted act as an army for the dark as of n...
I dunno if Darkness and Corruption are different? I suppose Corruption is mostly Bak'al but Darkness is something else?
Fair
gleaming apex
Corruption is where light and dark meet I think
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I guess Lari did kind of become a pacifist at the wrong time
hybrid gazelle
yeah they are entirely difference
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Fair
misty horizon
yep
gleaming apex
I think it says that somewhere
hybrid gazelle
it explain more in Fruma update but I cant really spoil here LOL
misty horizon
so decay is pre-corruption?
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it explain more in Fruma update but I cant really spoil here LOL
There's #🛑story_spoilers for Fruma
hybrid gazelle
yeah I know
misty horizon
Decay is absence of light
oh make sense
so decay is absense of light, and corruption is light+dark
hybrid gazelle
yeah
actually decay make corrupiton able to happen
because agian
absence of light
slim belfry
they really need to remedy that
misty horizon
but i still waiting for what wynn devs will cook
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I'm also kinda curious about Selchar as well, seeing as it is the only settlement in the ocean to allow us to travel to any island as well as back from there
misty horizon
because i don't like the idea that Dark is evil just for sake of evil
there must be some actual good reasoning
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Was Selchar somehow able to survive part of the corruption?
gleaming apex
It seems like we're fine without darkness based on ajb
misty horizon
Was Selchar somehow able to survive part of the corruption?
ocean tides were unpassable before 900 AP until mages calmed them down
so it seems like before 900 AP ocean was inhabitable
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I guess with Darkness, maybe its meant to be the "Chaotic" side of a moral alignment whereas Light could be the "Lawful"?
Okay
hybrid gazelle
selchar
mostly because ocean lore is outdated af
so the CT did not get to expand on it
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Besides, the Lawful vs Chaotic thing would mostly depend on the legality side of actions (would this be legal?) whereas the Good vs Evil would be the personal side of actions (would this benefit me or anyone else?)
hybrid gazelle
I guess with Darkness, maybe its meant to be the "Chaotic" side of a moral align...
corruption is chaos itself
so I dont think so
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Fair
But I suppose maybe Darkness might have had a bit of a bad omen like black cats for example
slim belfry
gosh I wish I could force fruma knowledge
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Although this might seem radical
gleaming apex
I was thinking it was life vs death
misty horizon
also, question regarding Fruma, is wasteland info known?
or it is still unknown region?
if known, then spoilers, if no, then we can talk about it?
slim belfry
also, question regarding Fruma, is wasteland info known?
yes
hybrid gazelle
they turning reality into their own utopia
slim belfry
the only thing not known are the specifics and what it looks like
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also, question regarding Fruma, is wasteland info known?
Its currently unknown atm, but the only mention of something related is in Off the Rails, although it should be discussed in #🛑story_spoilers
Well idk
hybrid gazelle
ya all gotta wait for fruma to come out
hybrid gazelle
also, question regarding Fruma, is wasteland info known?
it's
it's a wasteland
that all we know
and that all public know
misty horizon
the only thing not known are the specifics and what it looks like
like i was always wondering what is outside of regions that we know
slim belfry
ehhh
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Alright well I guess I better rest up
slim belfry
I could say more but spoilers
hybrid gazelle
by publci I eman those who do nto have beta
misty horizon
what if you go more north than olux or more south than nesaak
hybrid gazelle
uhhhh
misty horizon
what if wasteland is anything else?
hybrid gazelle
development in progress zone??
TBH I would not be surpirse that like
when the rectangle map is complete
and dern update come out
we probably get entire whole ass region like Monumenta
where we switch from 1 region to another region that is entirely different map
misty horizon
my headcanon is that the whole wynncraft region is combination of light vs dark, and wasteland itself is region without light and dark at all
which thematically does make sense
slim belfry
I really want to say something
misty horizon
yeah ig i should just finish quest line at least up to fruma gates
slim belfry
the curse of beta testing
gleaming apex
nope not life and death
Well I was thinking it was something like that because absence of light causes stuff to decay, we're perfectly fine without the dark in us, the whole thing with the ??? NPC at portal talking about ends, and while the SE does have its own form of life, it seems incredibly brutal with lots more death than any other ecosystem.
hybrid gazelle
hybrid gazelle
Well I was thinking it was something like that because absence of light causes s...
that the thing
okay here the thing
Light Forest stuff are too used to have light as part of its ecosystem
for many centuries
is like crack
if you take crack away from crack addict
they will felt the withdraw
that same thing happening to decay
it basically crack withdraw
slim belfry
yeah people say the light forest is good but uh
literally everything surrounding it is heavily reality detached themed
hybrid gazelle
TBH light forest oly look the way it is because CT back then have 0 idea what they are going for
slim belfry
heck DRUGS
gleaming apex
Well I always thought the light forest was an example of too much life to the point things start to get crazy
slim belfry
who wants to wear this and read the item lore 😁
hybrid gazelle
Fruma is such crazy lore drop
gleaming apex
My main thing is that in AJB we literally remove the dark from us and we're good to go, so it can't be something necessary for us to live.
hybrid gazelle
that it geniunely make discussing wynncraft lore without it kinda hard
slim belfry
dude I fit at least 12 spoilers on this helmet
hybrid gazelle
My main thing is that in AJB we literally remove the dark from us and we're good...
that no longer canon
gleaming apex
Oh really
hybrid gazelle
writer did an oopsie
yeah
that miscommunication between CT
it not mean to be like that
you can see this from the fact that there literally parasite raid after this update
like After SE, it's gavel reborn update which include
you fucking guess it
ROL storyline where at the last part of the story
you fight dark creatures like parasite
gleaming apex
Bruh it feels like half of the quests no longer apply to current lore lol
hybrid gazelle
those time were weird
misty horizon
Bruh it feels like half of the quests no longer apply to current lore lol
so far i am doing all quest from the start
it feels like they all fine, up to ROL V
idk about future quests tho
paper wyvern
Most quests are self contained and don't really take too many specifics from the general lore in their writing
lavish knot
Plus you picked up more on writing as the years go by
oak cipher
am i the only one that doesn't really like the dialogue changes made in ajf? i feel like the realization that the player was supposed to be the sacrifice leaves more of an impact than aledar just being like oh yeah it was going to be me or elphaba
don't wannt get into detailed fruma stuff but it gives more nuance to the entire situation imo
hybrid gazelle
am i the only one that doesn't really like the dialogue changes made in ajf? i f...
this is just make Aledar less like asshole because that was not intented tone they want
because literally in the original dialogue, it give off Aledar only choose us for sacrifice because of our "lack of purpose or life"
which is odd in the game context because all of this take place under a year
so it feel like ALedarj ust being an ass cause if you spend like 3 mins thinking about it,Aledarj ust straight up bullshitting here
it just a tweak in dialogue that was needed to make way for fruma story
oak cipher
this is just make Aledar less like asshole because that was not intented tone th...
yeah but i feel like they could've phrased it as just like a "wrong place wrong time" sort of deal, where the fourth was always going to be the spare and the player just happened to be unlucky, aledar could've said something about soldiers needing to do their duty or something like that, even if the circumstances were unfortunate
idk i never really interpreted him as an asshole i kinda just saw it as a "doing what needed to be done" sort of deal
hybrid gazelle
tbh I think that cemented him as asshole for me is him saying that the player has no friend or family like
dude you are bullshitting we arrive in the same fucking caravan on the same day
there aint no you got friends and family UNDER A YEAR
imagine telling a dying man that he got no one left anyway so might as well die
like
no that
so yeah I think the dialogue change is much better and also just better for what to come in Fruma
oak cipher
i mean by current lore since we don't see him again since almuj (iirc?) he probably doesn't know what we've been up to, so while it's insensitive and ignorant i feel like it was just an attempt at a justification for the guilt
hybrid gazelle
that the ting
CURRENT
they planned to make him appear more
we cant take what we see currently as granted
and even then what we did probably is public knowledge
even Tasim heard of us taking down Charon
Slykaar was literal millitary operation with army involve, no way that gone unheard
the orc war as well but we can brush it as the news did not cover player name
there also doguns and dwarves war that put to stop
and also the entire colossus thing that I highly doubt to not gone unheard
Aledar either never touch a newspaper in his life
oak cipher
ok fair yeah, but still i feel like making him/elphaba be the sacrifices from the start kind of make the entire situation....too black and white?
oak cipher
(trying to think of a way to phrase it without fruma spoilers...)
oak cipher
should we move to #🛑story_spoilers?
hybrid gazelle
I mean sure I guess
whole river
i mean by current lore since we don't see him again since almuj (iirc?) he proba...
i think the issue with that is the new quests with tasim and him kinda made them..our friends?
so when he said you have no friends its very odd
and is inconsistent with his general demeanor tbh
oak cipher
yeah no i definitely agree that that line could've been changed, it was more of the entire sacrificing the player idea that i preferred
but anyway with the new stuff coming up it does make more sense to go with the changes
slim belfry
still mad at aledar for not saying anything but it's fair because I'd do the same
earnest prairie
can someone explain to me what the hunters calling ghost thing was trying to get us to do? not like gameplay wise but i mean why did they keep giving us diff endings and asking to show us an end?
i just finished it today and was a bit confused on what they were after while talking to us/me
mossy badge
Alternate universe where ur the evil ahh
hybrid gazelle
i just finished it today and was a bit confused on what they were after while ta...
basically what if
still zodiac
Bro did theorik actually think he was gonna win in a 1v1 against the corruption 😭
hybrid gazelle
Bro did theorik actually think he was gonna win in a 1v1 against the corruption ...
in his eyes it was one of the only chance he bring peace
reminder these is pretty early in the war
corruption is not that well understood and people are desperate to survival
alpine olive
Is Lari dead? If she isnt is light quest 5 the last one you see her?
still zodiac
corruption is not that well understood and people are desperate to survival
Man had no game plan he just waltzed into the big ass portal solo and thought it was gonna end well🙏
hybrid gazelle
Is Lari dead? If she isnt is light quest 5 the last one you see her?
have you ever wathc movie?
like one of those like
character disappear offscreen with no commfirm death
only to appear again at some point of the story as a surpirse?
yeah it like that
alpine olive
Yeah true
still zodiac
For a second i thought i did all that just for her stupid ass to die 😭💀
Man i was happy she finally decided to lock in and show bakall them hands, even tho bakal is a fraud
hybrid gazelle
Bak'al may be a fraud
but he is the only fucking villain we have that is not immediently die
acutally no until Fruma ofc
hybrid gazelle
there is but 95% of them are dead
slim belfry
yeah not really anyone
hybrid gazelle
the 5% is Bak'al and Dern Beast
there also Urelix there
Dullahn I guess
if he has not finally decompose
still zodiac
the 5% is Bak'al and Dern Beast
We never fight the dern beast tho do we?
still zodiac
True
hybrid gazelle
honestly if we use 5 braincells that we have
literally also doing nothing
literally what we doing in game like is like
equlivant of picking up shit in dog park after everyone is long gone
it literally like that
slim belfry
We never fight the dern beast tho do we?
I guess the eye could count but that's only a part of it
violet anvil
Dullahn I guess
dullahan is a stretch
hybrid gazelle
IDK maybe in Fruma update we get to fight Dern Beast's toe nail
it gonna be like poppy playtime where we wait 30 years to catch a glimpse of Prototype's ass hair
still zodiac
Man rip to dullahan, died to lari being a bum ass pacifist🙏