📚lore_discussion

[opaque remnant]

-# (I’ve had that theory since, like, the first time I did the quest to unlock the dungeon, please tell me I’m not the only one)

[glass acorn]

i think so? atleast its implied? im curious how she ended up like that tho

[hybrid gazelle]

I highly dbout it would be that way

like okay Dullahan is like

how I see it is Dullahan is a kind of character who his relevnacy already past

it like his prime been long past so bringing him back just felt weak or forced

so imagine this it's dern expansion update

there this new area player can explore

but for some reason players been drag ALLL the way back to Gavel

top this castle

and even worse Dullahan just have this plot point that never go unresolve like Forbidden Prison

like how do you conclude these things in satisfying manner?

Dullahan is such a mess of a character that they dont know what to do with when ROL finish its storyline

Yes

[hybrid gazelle]

also yeah that why I never a fan of trying to bring DUllahan back to the narrative
I prefer if we just remake ROL and then end his story there

him as a character serve ROL WAYYYYY better than trying to shove him to future story

[lavish knot]

Dulla would have worked best if his arc is resolved in part 3

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah either that like

in ROL as a whole

like literally as a whole

I do think ROL with its 5 part never enough to go through the story that it want to tell

I know that sound utterly insane

but consider this

Fruma has 5 regions with 13 quests for its main storyline

ROL is 5 part quest
with
1 assign to Olux
2 assign to Dark Forest
1 assign to Light Forest
1 assign to ROL

that like very little for a story such scale as ROL

ROL is a story that show the player there are more than what it seems

there this war of the realms going on

So it restrict to just 5 parts just odd and simply not enough to shove Lari's entire character arc, exposition for war of the realms, and other characters into 5 parts

and it's even more so when you consider there is not much proper introduction to Parasite or proper build up
Parasite spawns BARELY appear in ROL storyline
Decay never being properly introduce or explain

[glass acorn]

Laris odd actions would make more sense if Dulla was like a Cassandra style prophet, true but unable to be believed. Still not amazing mind but that small tweak would be abit better

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Dullahan seeing the future just unncessery and never seen again for some reason

IDK why they gaveh im that ability

it just felt so weird they give him that cause like

it never brought up EVER again

[lavish knot]

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

and the worse of that is literally just make Lari look even more unlikable

TBH I wont even blame people for thinking Lari meant to be unlikable because the CT really go out of their way to make sure her flaw overshadow her positive if you take the uqest as face value

without talking to the CT at all

that why I say ROL as a storyline just get more frustating when you think about it

because these thing sjust absolutely unncessery and better off just remove

entire ROL 3 just absolutely unncessery when you consider all the harm it did to Lari's character

and with DUllahan raid being scrap

ROL 3 just has 0 reason to exist and what reasons there is just oivershadow by its flaws

[whole river]

Removing dullahan would at least partly turn lari from an idiot to a naive hermit abandoned by their god after one fuck up because he told her to follow their heart and she’s a literal pacifist

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah like

[whole river]

It’s kinda fucked orphion just gives up on lari and waits 1000 years to speak again

[hybrid gazelle]

As much as I like Dullahan

if you want to keep ROL short and stay as what it is

Dullahan removal just easiest option you can go

but ofc I would not suggest that

[lavish knot]

I do wanna see more of what its like for someone like Lari who's probably shelthered

[hybrid gazelle]

but if we REALLY have to

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari relationship with the town people barely explore

which is odd because it feel like it could show how much she help these people

which improve her image

they never really dive into this at all

[whole river]

I just really hate how Dulla can see the future and Lari believes that he can but also thinks she can change the future by continuing on the same course

[hybrid gazelle]

it almost feel like ROL writers just completely allergic to try to make Lari likable character

despite like

THEY WANT TO MAKE HER A CHARACTER WITH DEPTH

[whole river]

Lari does need some more with Olux

[lavish knot]

Future sight is also quick to get messy

[hybrid gazelle]

Also I think the idea of future sight in wynncraft magic sytem is weird

[lavish knot]

Especially if a guy can just use it

[hybrid gazelle]

cause cosmic magic has time and space

[whole river]

It absolutely is, especially this one where they’re just true too

[hybrid gazelle]

so like

Does Dullahan know cosmic magic????

like IDK man when you get a magic category dedicated to time and space

[lavish knot]

He has plant magic

[hybrid gazelle]

I would kinda associating future sighting as cosmic magic

but then again I probably expect too much

[whole river]

It’s just a weird relationship lari and dulla have where she doesn’t believe him at all??? And they’re still meant to be portrayed as close?

[lavish knot]

And his plants bacially lasts forever based on that one secret dis

[hybrid gazelle]

which one is that?

the SD

[lavish knot]

Lemme find it

[hybrid gazelle]

they meant to be very close from what I remember

[whole river]

I know which is why it’s so bizarre she’s like

[hybrid gazelle]

there even scrapped scene where Dullahan try to confess to Lari

but Lari rejected him

[whole river]

“Oh your future visions that are true and predicted everything? Fuck them”

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah It just

I can understand the vision of Lari using her great power to overcome fate

like sure

like I can see that

but you overload Lari with so much flaw it kinda hard to expect anything from her or root for her lOL

[lavish knot]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Parasite_Cocoon

[hybrid gazelle]

wait how is this associate with Dullahan's plant magic??

[whole river]

Hmm that might’ve been an interesting spin on it. Dulla sees that lari is instrumental in beating the parasite and continuously pressures her to push forward when she’s not morally ready. But the vision is actually referring to how she leads the player to beating the parasite, and not her beating the parasite

[lavish knot]

Ine one of the Rol3 cutscences, he leaves behind plants in his attacks and healing

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess that could work

But I think it work better if we ust

remove DUlalhan foresight

I just think this ability of his berely get brought up again

[lavish knot]

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

and it just weird for wynncraft magic system wise cuase like

wtf is foresight

[whole river]

100%

[hybrid gazelle]

like do Dullahan just has cosmic magic for some reason

the problem with wynncraft is that

they establish their magic system

BUT

never ufkcing use it

like that the problem

they show the player their magic system

and then like "oh yeah here random bullshit"

like if you want freedom of using magic in your storytelling

[regal spire]

I think removing Dullahan’s future prediction magic would already be enough of a change to fix Lari’s justification

[hybrid gazelle]

dont explain magic system

like simple as

literally dont explain magic system

[whole river]

Remove the foresight makes dullahan more aggressive and pushy which helps make lari more emotionally conflicted at least

Instead of dullahan going “you literally know my visions are right why are you challenging them 😭”

[hybrid gazelle]

there like many way you can rewrite ROL

and I think that wonder for it

the quest is so poorly written yet it spark so many of its own interreptation

though it spawn one of the most obnoxious part of wynncraft community

so it like

[regal spire]

I’m excited to see it reworked

[hybrid gazelle]

half and half

[whole river]

I actually really liked that dullahan raid idea tbh

[lavish knot]

It has good concepts, bad execution

[hybrid gazelle]

I can see why epople liek Dullahan raid

[regal spire]

Maybe the next patches will start to help improve its relation with the in game storyline we’re getting

[whole river]

It’s too late for it but dullahan raid ending in him dying so he’s not a loose end

[hybrid gazelle]

personally for me I hate it because I want Dullahan to be something Lari dealt with in the story

rather than have it in the raid

the worst you can do a character

[whole river]

Lari can be there in the raid though

[hybrid gazelle]

is give them a raid/dungeon

yeah lari can be in the dungeon but she going to be like Elder Astal

[whole river]

They do that with the doguns

[hybrid gazelle]

that the problem

they barely matter in the narrative and they just been block by how gameplay focus it is

[whole river]

They can just add her to the boss fight and have scripted moments where she weakens him and you go in for the kill

[hybrid gazelle]

I GUESS??? but I feel like Lari should be the one who finish him off

[whole river]

Zelda and link vs Ganondorf in WW moment

[hybrid gazelle]

it just feel a better end to his story

than to have random person that he never know end him

[regal spire]

Tbf, that isn’t how a lot of stories need to end

[hybrid gazelle]

Having Lari killed Dullahan allow narrative like her finally correcting her mistake or letting go of the past and change herself for the better

[regal spire]

Sometimes, people don’t ever get that chance to rectify a mistake, and would rather run from it—or are forced away from it

[hybrid gazelle]

there just so many thing you can do if you just let Lari kill Dullahan to improve herself

[vestal rivet]

Villager #5 is who did him in
didn't realize Villager News had such sick people on their payroll

[hybrid gazelle]

Except Lari has to because she is the main NPC of the quest that need character arc

having the player doing the job for her would make her arc feel empty

[whole river]

I mean what’s stopping a post fight cutscene having lari finish him off?

Pause

[hybrid gazelle]

then I am not sure if the emotional beat can go through or not because again

everything limited by the raid

raid is just that gameplay focus

[whole river]

We have cutscenes in raids

[regal spire]

I think it’s kinda poetic that some random person would just stumble into their world, and just dispose of them with no sense of personal satisfaction. I think it’s far more fitting of an end for some random person to defile his memories, and then kill him

[whole river]

Orphion the biggest victim

[hybrid gazelle]

we have but it very short and brief

[whole river]

just f to skip gg

[hybrid gazelle]

I ahve my issue with NoL

but yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like there is a trope for that and it's very bad trope

[whole river]

It just feels weird that dullahan is so influential

And he’s not a raid or even a boss

[regal spire]

I think it’s actually a really realistic scenario. There are far more chances someone else would take over and solve someone’s problem, especially if the person who didn’t want to solve the problem to begin with isn’t around

[hybrid gazelle]

what is white saviour but without the whole race

[whole river]

That’s like most MMOs

You’re fixing the issues of literally everyone else

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it fine if players not fix NPC problem for once LOL

[whole river]

Dunno why it’s an issue with dullahan

[hybrid gazelle]

yes I also have issue with other case

[regal spire]

Like, people with no connections to a perpetrator are far more likely to peruse them than someone with emotional attachment

Way easier to dissociate them from human if you never had the chance to develop that kind of connection

[whole river]

Especially one like lari who to date only wanted to kill bakal and someone who, from her POV, just replaced her after 1000 years of self-hatred for being a failure

[hybrid gazelle]

literally rather not having player deat with Lari's problem when the entire storyline is about Lari improving herself to change her idealogy

having player do the job for her just devalue that kind of arc becuase like

well it kinda mean nothing if player does the goddam job

instead of Lari

also I fele like Dullahan death should have more emotional hit than to be a raid

like I will be real

raid for me just felt empty like NoL

[whole river]

It’s just how MMOs work 🤷 Lari accepting dullahan as her failure imo is more important than her having to kill him

[hybrid gazelle]

agree to disagree then

anyway

[whole river]

Even the gods like orphion need us to fix their issue (Lari)

[regal spire]

I think Lari accepting both her inability to do her job, whilst also recognizing that her god is a fucking dope would be fine

Unless orphion gets rewritten to not be a dope

[whole river]

lari being snarky about how useless orphion is would be a funny arc

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK how would they able to write Orphion to be more involve

[whole river]

dern!Lari arc incoming

[hybrid gazelle]

the way I can imagine rn is them using Eih as mouth piece for him

[regal spire]

She kinda is, in RoL2, and 4, but she blames herself for it, so it’s not actually constructive

[hybrid gazelle]

actually

I think that would make a better use of Eih than whatever he is now

[regal spire]

Maybe having him be completely uninvolved would solve this. Make Dern Beast mimick intelligence, where their innate instincts are to deceive, but without any of the emotional, personal justification for it, while Orphion is the non-verbal, chaotic beast of the 2, using body language to depict simplistic ideas

Make them beasts, idk

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah literall ANYTHING WORK

like ANYTHING fucking work

Dern beast sabotaging shit would work as well

because Dern Beast as a characte

DESPERALTELY need

a moment where its action actively sabotage player or impede them

[regal spire]

DB isn’t even a character yet

[hybrid gazelle]

cause so far in this ENTIRE fucking story

Dern Beast sit on its ass and let player destory its plan

it never react to anything

that why WYnncraft villain writing is so shit

because most of them just have them sitting on their ass

there BARELY ANY SINGLE OF THEM

that react to player action

and even if the yd

they just go

"haha you will never beat me" monologue and leave

not even the eye has taht luxury

[regal spire]

“Go, my goombas”

[hybrid gazelle]

oh wait I am sorry I am wrong

there is fantastic voyage

a QUEST

OUTSIDE OF SE

I AM GOING INSANE

[regal spire]

Well, it’s kinda in SE

[hybrid gazelle]

It's astounding that Wynncraft

despite having more than 10 antagonists

barely of them are notable

[regal spire]

However, the fact the eye isn’t actively involved in watching us in SE is weird

[hybrid gazelle]

IT WEIRDDD

It show so much in promotional

[regal spire]

So far, well witch is the most active antagonist

She steals a kid

[hybrid gazelle]

but it onl apperance in SE is being a fucking dungeon boss

it never do anything or imply to directly impede player progress

NOT EVEN IN GODDAM DUNGEON

LIKE this is fucking insane

it take WORK

to not do anything with the eyes

like cant they just reveal the eye growth actually taking over SE?

that actualy would be cool

[regal spire]

Fruma’s coming, soon, which means the inevitable lore patch updates will come too

[hybrid gazelle]

like you see Eye's vein actually impeding you

like the entire land itself is against you

that would actually be so cool

but noo we got

liver stealing bugs

and giant worms

[regal spire]

I think the only problem with this is that SE is an active environment, with prof nodes and towns and caves, whatever. This would be way more effective in the quest, though

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like make quest specific event could work??

like SURELY

[regal spire]

AJB and AJF should be entirely reliant on both the ecosystem, and the eye

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah like

IDK man

[regal spire]

Cause the eye references Aledar’s death, so it was just sitting there

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe have the eye manipulte the wildlives to attack the group

like anything

[regal spire]

I think the eye popping in and out of specific instances, and having it be the reason everyone gets slowly taken off, or lead to their death by the environment would be really fitting. We’d just be the only one to get out, somehow idk

[hybrid gazelle]

also do we even know the reasons to why Eye Forest gain eyes for every lutho citizens lose their soul to obselik

is there reason for that

or is that reason only for creep factor

like I ltierally do not get the coorelation here

ESPICALLY when you learn that the eye tree is part of the ecossytem

[regal spire]

Eyes are the window to the soul

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I get it

like they miss eyes

mean they soulless

[regal spire]

The souls gone, now, so the eyes go away

[hybrid gazelle]

okay

but why their eyes now part of the tree

like why

[regal spire]

And ig eye related dernic magic just puts them into itself, so they then pop up on trees

Maybe to sprout more eyefolk

[hybrid gazelle]

Dernic magic is so funny to me cause like

should not obselik prevent that

like SURELY the obsilik would prevent darkness to get benefit from that

[regal spire]

I always justified it as the eye forests instinctual response to whatever magic is related to the obelisk. SE seems to morph creatures into itself and create worlds from that.

Maybe it’s a toxic wastes type of scenario

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess but like why the lutho citizens eyes tho???

like when you learn that it's part of the ecosystem

does that mean the eyes are finite resoruce??

[regal spire]

The Eye has a liking to em, what can I say

[hybrid gazelle]

like i literally dont understand the correlation between the two here

it feel like just creepy factor the yjust put it becasue "that sound cool"

[regal spire]

If I’m being completely honest, whenever Grian is involved with anything, I just assume it’s a pun or a joke

[hybrid gazelle]

Can Grian even write a story

[regal spire]

Bro thinks religion is useless in a story, so no

No he cannot

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it funny that grian cant write for shit when his seperate fanbase is like

[regal spire]

Good builder, doe

[hybrid gazelle]

fucking hermitcraft people

I think Grian being a good builder is like

a objective fact

but yeah he still cant write for shit

scott cawthon be like

[regal spire]

Bro should just build the story, not write it

Then again, he doesn’t do anything on the server anymore, as far as I’m aware, and a lot of the good stuff to come of it was with him gone…

[hybrid gazelle]

acutally I think we slander too much here since we dont know if Grian involve in writing SE

so like

eh

[regal spire]

Ik he said he did some things with the story, but idk if that was 1.14-18 or 1.14-19

I’d assume every single story until then was just him not really having the knowledge to create a compelling story, which I can forgive, because it’ll be remade fr fr

It would explain why he’s not involved anymore, beyond just his channel

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

I guess story writing is not really his thing

I think SE as a whole just miss a lot of the mark

it not bad as ROL but then again ROL aim higher than SE story did

[regal spire]

Im just ready for Fruma

This the kind of story update I’m ready for

13 part questline gonna have me eating good

[hybrid gazelle]

they learn a lot of previous story

ROLs questline is too short

[regal spire]

That, and it didn’t have enough side content to go with it

[hybrid gazelle]

All storyline just lacking any actual intresting characters or villains for that matter

so Fruma seems like

[regal spire]

It was supported by SD’s

[hybrid gazelle]

the CT taking all the note that make their story suck

and fixing it

[regal spire]

Also, hang on, Fruma’s got SD’s

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it will

[regal spire]

And it has a storyline, AND side quests

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont even know how the story take this long to have actual villains

it geniunely like kinda depressing but also happy that we finally getting one

[vestal rivet]

and now we're getting Fruma
which hopefully blows both out of the water
-# and then creates an awkward equivalent of hounding someone to watch 3 seasons of a show that are bad to get to the really good 4th season

[regal spire]

And 2 of those things are supported purely by SD’s, so there’s actual potential for enticing SD’s

[hybrid gazelle]

to say that ROL supported by SD is like

IDK man it

Gavel SD barely anything at all LOLLL

[regal spire]

Gavel SD’s have some of the worst SD’s in the game 👹

They also house some of the best, too

However, CotL SD’s…

Sky islands having 2 sky raider SD’s that are basically already shown in the quest

[whole river]

Cotl has a good SD with the parasite at least

effective and gives us important lore of why the decay isn’t there. Short and simple too

[exotic bough]

cotl ult needs to be replaced with smthn else since its entire existence is made redundant with the breaking point

[whole river]

Which one is the ult again

[hybrid gazelle]

the only issue I have with COTL parasite SD is that

if Lari barrier is what kept the parasite at bay

then where the parasite in Cinfras came from LOL

like

it such a weird SD to include

[exotic bough]

the one showing a dogun priest calming the colossus with a fire beam

[hybrid gazelle]

when we establish that parasite was quartined by Lari

[whole river]

Oh yeah lol

[hybrid gazelle]

so EVEN in SD that have Lari protray as doing someting good

[regal spire]

That one is so fucking lame

[hybrid gazelle]

they went ahead to fuck it over

HOW

IT TAKE FUCKING SKILL AND DEDICATGE

[exotic bough]

imo it should be what made the colossus angry in the first place or maybe its creation

[regal spire]

Also, Olux’s slime SD

[hybrid gazelle]

Like literally if you did not tell me I would have though the CT just really fucking hate Lari

[regal spire]

That was lame

[hybrid gazelle]

LIKE WTF YOU MEAN THAT PARASITE SOMEHOW

GET PASS THE BARRIER AND INTO GYLIA PLAINS
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT EONUGH T OSHOW IN SD

I am going fucking insane

[whole river]

Brought in by airship

[hybrid gazelle]

The parasite spawns are getting advance

[whole river]

Or teleported in

[hybrid gazelle]

they adapt to using airship and airdrop themselves into the plains

[whole river]

I mean someone could’ve brought one in like that

Not like cinfras is free of sinners

[hybrid gazelle]

the CT does not even bother to explain why Lari fail her job anymore
they just look at you like this

[whole river]

I think it’s just you’re reading into it a little too deep when the purpose was to show the barrier

[hybrid gazelle]

The community is not Lari biggest hater

it was the CT

[whole river]

Can be justified by saying the decay is stronger

So some parts of the barrier are weak

[hybrid gazelle]

because it take fucking skill to butcher the character this bad with no chance of her being liked by the community and even those who say they like her are view as insane

[hybrid gazelle]

I GUESS??

[whole river]

Plus lari is having a mental crisis for like four of the quests so maybe the maintenance is low

[hybrid gazelle]

that one way to look at it

even then it just werird thing to show

like okay you establish that the decay is quratined in the area

[whole river]

Cuz she does have to continuously maintain it iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

why is the spawns here

yeah but

is it that important to show???

[whole river]

Yeah I’d say so

[hybrid gazelle]

itis that often that there need to be secrect discovery dedicated to it

[whole river]

It’s a theme for the whole region

The continuously moving canyons and stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean i dont think so becaue decay stop matter once you get around cinfras and beyond

[whole river]

But there’s gonna be plenty of people who go “well why didn’t it spread there”

[regal spire]

Isn’t there a seaskipper dialogue or something about a parasite trying to cross the ocean, but dying

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think it needed if we estalbish that it quratined in the zone 😭

like IDK man I though that like

having entire SD about Lari setting up barrier

is like a good enough indicator

that parasite only limited to these zone

like IDK what else

[whole river]

Which is in another SD that also says that she has to maintain it and to date we haven’t seen her in that area

🤷

I get what you mean but it’s not impossible to say she didn’t maintain that area recently

[hybrid gazelle]

Why there is this sudden though about these thing and not like

[regal spire]

Me when I access RoL, have lari get killed, and then refuse to do the raid

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari actually doing her job and the ROL questline as a whole LMAO

like wow tho

does CT have sudden lock in moment???

[whole river]

I feel like that’s the most minor nitpick about SDs when most SDs are kinda trash

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah ofc there no denying that

but that already discussed to death

[whole river]

Like the Kandar Forest SD that just completely ruins the whole Hollow Serenity build up lol

[hybrid gazelle]

cause even CT point it out that most SD are fucking awful

[whole river]

“Yeah that heir we fought for so hard instantly died guess we’re cooked”

So stupid

That one is actually infuriating

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh hollow serentiy does not speak to me that much

but I can see why you would dislike it LOL

[whole river]

It’s not even that it’s just why build up the cultists and then have them get offscreened worse than [Redacted]

It makes them seem so woefully incompetent too

“Yeah put the worm in her and make her this immortal decayed villager hybrid” when it so hilariously backfired. Who even told them a worm would work?

It would’ve made more sense if the cultists made Garvan do that just for a laugh than what we got 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess they just really derange?

IDK must lore about hollow serenity

like the house of talor and talor mages or whatever?

like IDK man

I do like the idea of decay zone being this

this like government blindspot

so epopel do some illegal shit

that liek I like that idea

[whole river]

Basically they’re portrayed to be secret royalists and they are seemingly under the idea that they need like an immortal heir that’s partly infused with the parasite.

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I feel like that plot would make sense if parasite shown to be capable of giving something resemble of immortality

but the fact there is none make tehir idea kinda strange 😭

[whole river]

Right??

[hybrid gazelle]

I Guess I chalk it up to insane people

but still

[whole river]

Like was every royalist just stupid? I mean I guess it’s on brand but-

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like it would make mroe sense if

WAit

why dont they fucking use lazarus pit

[whole river]

That would’ve worked out way better

[hybrid gazelle]

actually wait why dont wthey use lazarus pit wait

[whole river]

Lmfaoooo

[hybrid gazelle]

you fucking telling me

that the quest

[whole river]

See why I hate the whole royalist plot

[hybrid gazelle]

that about lazarus pit is god awful

while the quest that Needed lazarus pit to work in its plot

is not even include lazarus pit

dude Gavel reborn writing defintiely

a work man

it defintiely a work

[whole river]

that would’ve been way better to showcase the Lazarus pit

Rather than “oh we get occasional zombies lol bother four spirits and close it up”

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I hate lazarus pit

noit only because it felt like the writers on dimentia

not only it introducve this zombie but even more boring

because you dont ge the hellish theme shit that corruption has

but also like the most random bullshit ever

SOMEHOW THE LAZARUS PIT QUEST

HAS THE WORLD BUILDING THAT WYNN PROVINCE NEED

LIKE BURN THE BODIES

WY IS THIS NOT USE IN WYNN

and even worse like

For some reason the undead that you revive can talk and can be reaosn with???

like sure they explai nit where it said those with pure heart will revive properly

but you fucking telling me none of the people in gelibord are pureheart?

liek NONE?

and even more so one of these "pure hearted" people have the title of

The Murderer

Take as what you fucking will

[ornate imp]

this just means that rotten hearts revive more properly

[whole river]

We need more trom lore

[whole river]

Lmfao I got reminded of this yesterday when grinding

You rest his spirit by killing him again too

[hybrid gazelle]

We need more than more troms lore

we need that shit rewrite

CT back then was fucking wild cause they be putting up sterotype like a market list

like dam nwe made a jungle

what could make this region a jungle

oh that right

racism

NEVER FORGET THIS LEGENDARY DIALOGUE

[whole river]

Yeah a total rewrite. I think I talked about it earlier this week too

[hybrid gazelle]

I think one of my favorite hc that the jungle native are olms descendent

that would fix a lot of plot hole and make the whole thing sound less racist because like

if we were to take it that humans in wynn province are immigrant from fruma

why are there so much drastic change between Troms and the jungle "native"

if they are a native at all

[whole river]

That would make sense, also makes Bob seem less weird

[hybrid gazelle]

also it would give so much lore to the olms and the jungle

for me in my rewrite I just turn the entire jungle int oa battle fortress

the olms when they arrive in the jungle after escape Dern

terraform the entire junlge to be their stronghold

so the entire jungle is pretty much rigged defense system

but since Dern never arrive and the olm gone insane on their own

the jungle would lay dormant

until the corruption arrive

wit the arrival of corruption

a combination of light and dark

[whole river]

I felt a bit disappointed that Bob also didn’t appear much in troms

[hybrid gazelle]

the jungle just spring to life and all its defensive system trigger

[whole river]

Even though he’s like, more than anything, a hero of troms first

[hybrid gazelle]

it weird how bob never get to interact with anything olms related

what even worse it that like

Ethe is a guy who use magic

and he never got mention again

lik wtf you mean we got this random guy that use magic

like

HOld on

I though that was big fucking deal

I though that why the Twain are special

who is Ethe

why does he got magic

and how does he master it

I feel like Ethe should have been Swap out for an olm that teach bob magic

that would make sense and acutally have Bob tackle his other half

[whole river]

I forgot troms is the one that gave him the nickname Bob

Brother doesn’t even get a name drop except by his opp

[plain ingot]

Multiple different magical humans have been told to have existed. They were even a localised defense in some places. The reason why the Twain brothers mattered was because they were an organised, well trained group. It is also implied that Marius trained more than 4 magic users and the ones we know were the only ones who were able to truly follow Marius' ways.

It is all told in Lusuco's library.

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes I am aware I like the guy who make magic system I just think it should be more big deal and not being side off mention that there other magic user in wynn province

espically during earlier day of corruption war

Also no I dont think it ever mention there are mages out there from what I remember

or even imply

it just only those 4

[plain ingot]

Yes I do agree that more historical magic users should be explored but it is just a product of the way this server was developed. When the timeline was just 100 years the Twains were introduced and the whole region of Nesaak built around them. Once the timeline was expanded to 1000 years all that empty space was created that has not been filled. One needs to just come up with a way to introduce "filler" lore that expands and develops the world further.

[plain ingot]

"His 4 true proteges were Rickeo, Theorick, Dwendle and Mael.
Although other Twains had gifts, they were not really made for war."

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah that

Then wtf was that guy talk about when I made wartorn iteration of the Twain family

wtf

[plain ingot]

Who?

[hybrid gazelle]

Nothing

[dry aspen]

What was dwendle important for again? I don't remember

[plain ingot]

One of the four Twain brothers. The only one whose fate we dont know IIRC. And if that one guy is to be believed, he settled down and started a family (and lineage) .

[chilly tulip]

Aren’t we pretty sure Dwendle died in battle anyway?

The library said that they all fell one by one

[plain ingot]

Oh yeah, the exact cause is unknown compared to the other brothers.

[chilly tulip]

So he probably got killed at some point, but just didn’t get reanimated. Maybe after Rickeo and Theorick got corrupted they decided to burn his body at the funeral or something

It’s mentioned in that Ragni farmer quest that there are “proper” ways of dealing with the dead, so maybe that’s something like cremation or similar precautions like the New England vampire panic

[chilly tulip]

Maybe Mage Island and the magic school? Do we know how long that place has been around?

[hybrid gazelle]

This is literally take place before 900 AP

[candid cliff]

I didn't remember the first part 😭

damn

[chilly tulip]

I mean the magic school could still exist at least? You enter it through tunnels idk

[hybrid gazelle]

That feel like a far fetch teory and even that that imply wynn ALWAYS have connection to an island that literally named MAGE ISLAND

[regal rover]

It was mentioned that the fallen archetype has no ties to the in game lore of the corruption right?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

archetype as a whole has reference to the lore

but it only reference

[slim belfry]

yeah they're all like that for cool points

really awesome references though

[regal rover]

In the fruma trailer, the fallen Ult seems to be spawning the spikes

lol it’s cool though

And ult is called “beyond salvation”too

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah cause

it's fruma expansion trailer

which show off content that will be in Fruma expansion update

including new ability LOL

[regal rover]

Yeyeye, it’s just interesting that the ult spawns corrupted spikes

[dim plover]

Why interesting

Isn’t Fallen Corruption-themed

[clear scaffold]

fallen is literally corruption without being actually corrupted

[regal spire]

Maybe they’ll add some Fruma lore that’ll support the possibility of all these archetypes

Like, why our player character doesn’t get taken over by fallen’s corruption

[dry aspen]

it's cuz they're B U I L T D I F F E R E N T

[they're worse]

[hybrid gazelle]

I rather not cause again the ct said thst atree just made with intent with not messing with the lore

So it kinda go against thst point of they try to accommodate the lore for it

[regal spire]

I mean less justifying it with the archetype specifically, and more justifying it with who we are

Like “oh, they can just do that”, because maybe we’re revealed to be important somehow

(2nd sovereign theories be damned though)

[edgy loom]

tf you mean be damned 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

God I fucking hope that never happen

Payer should have their own justification to use those power

Why would the game need to do for them

You ALWAYS have freedom to choose what you are

[edgy loom]

player 2nd sovereign doesnt explain anything about the power. it could, but doesnt have to

the sovereigns power are given by the queen, she could have easily taken it back before sending us off to wynn

player 2nd sovereign is like, the only reveal that has actually been foreshadowed beforehand, other than maybe the eye

for the mirror thing to just mean nothing would suck ass

the player being the 2nd sovereign would at least explain their persistence and ambition by going on the whole 120 lvl journey

yeah man player sovereign sucks, glory to more 10 years of trying to downscale the gods the player kills to claim we're just a normal recruit 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

Update on the lore summary

I won’t go into detail like se discovery by the miners

Cause that pretty small event that lead to like nothing much in the grand scheme

So I don’t want to overload that summary

I try to focus on the brief summary of the lore

So thst why some detail will be left out unless it really important to understand the world of wynncraft

[opaque remnant]

I sincerely doubt that the player is/was the second sovereign. IF they were ever a sovereign, it would most likely be as Zhiraok’s predecessor, since he’s new to being a sovereign.

[vestal rivet]

entire journey from 1-105 is probably a couple years in canon if RoL's reference in RR3 is anything to go off of

[opaque remnant]

Nah I’m sure the player did the entirety of Wynncraft’s content in like a month tops /j

[regal spire]

I don’t like the idea of the player being the 2nd sovereign. Just my personal opinion, with what we’ve been given (I can still see potential in the idea)

[vestal rivet]

I agree withi Shmeg

[regal spire]

This used to be confirmed, with the old Recipe for Disaster, actually

You saw trophies for 1001 and 1002

[vestal rivet]

how did seeing past trophies confirm that the journey took a few years?
what stops the trophies from having been before you left Fruma in that cart?

[regal spire]

Because the events of the tutorial took place in 1000

[vestal rivet]

where is that mentioned?

[regal spire]

And those trophies were awarded in 1001 and 1002, before retconned

It was an old version of Recipe for Disaster

[vestal rivet]

oh wait I just remembered that the Aledar/Tasim picture is also dated back a while isn't it
was it several months or a few years?

[clear scaffold]

doubt it's even a year

more like 9 months tops

[vestal rivet]

RoL is, from the Royal Reports, confirmed to take place over several months

I don't think half of the journey was JUST RoL

I think you probably can't cram all that happened in with this speed in less than a couple years at least

[clear scaffold]

the player's been in gavel for a few weeks by RoL 2's confirmation? or 4?

ROL 4 confirms weeks

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s under a year

[candid cliff]

the newer the content the more canon it is

royal reports take priority over rol probably

[hybrid gazelle]

Because literally the wedding thst maxie and Rhay is still ap 1000

I thjnk ct already comfirm that all of this take under a year lol

With royal report too

Considering event of rol to be recent event

[vestal rivet]

Gavel is entered level39 based on the lowest level quest in the province
Lari first encounters you in Karoc Quarry somewhere around lvl45-ish
RoL1 is lvl54

[hybrid gazelle]

I pret to sure royal report already tell us all of this is under a year lol

[vestal rivet]

holy so RoL took up like almost half of our time (at LEAST) on our journey???

[vapid path]

Is the chef timeline no longer cannon?

[candid cliff]

I mean it wasn't a straight line

there's a reason there's 5+ level gaps

[vestal rivet]

true

but it'd be weird to bounce back and forth so fast in canon

[clear scaffold]

had to check when does royal reports mention a timeline again

[hybrid gazelle]

I look back

It did not say the date but

[vestal rivet]

to Troms
to Olux
back to Troms
back to Olux
back to Troms again
to Gelibord
back to Troms AGAIN
back to Gelibod again

[edgy loom]

aledar greeting us in journey beyond feels very "it's been months" to me

[hybrid gazelle]

Still consider the light return as recent development

[edgy loom]

it being actual years changes the dynamics

[hybrid gazelle]

So it’s bleak

It’s very bleak

[clear scaffold]

i would honestly say being generous as 9 months

[candid cliff]

Don't forget about player returning to tempo town every 24 hours to kill 5 time troubles

[hybrid gazelle]

Ct already express thst wynncraft timeline rn is wonky

And they said they probably change it later

So yeah

[edgy loom]

journey beyond or further? the first one idk

[vestal rivet]

for such a big development, it could be a year old and still considered a recent development on a world scale

[clear scaffold]

over a year is probably unlikely

i could see journey further being the year mark

[vestal rivet]

I thought it was 3
that do be a funny thing

[edgy loom]

"probably change it later"

[candid cliff]

it's 5

[edgy loom]

we're going into fruma without a proper timeline 💔

[vestal rivet]

I see it being a couple years still
we haven't gotten very strong evidence otherwise based on what I see here

[hybrid gazelle]

Ct planned to adjust timeline at some point, they just do not have time rn

[hybrid gazelle]

Entire event of the game should be 2-4 years

Like tjose range

It literally would make so much sense lmao

[vestal rivet]

yeah I was thinking like 2-2.5 years for most of it

[hybrid gazelle]

No way player can go on travel

And doing none of their job for half of the game

Under a year

Like dude

[clear scaffold]

i feel like 2-4 years just hits the lari problem of what the hell were you doing.

[vestal rivet]

that too
I bet that the order at which regions were tackled is up to the air so the player can choose, but the bouncing between regions isn't canon

[edgy loom]

I am confident the writing would be better if it was handled by a single person instead of a whole team

[clear scaffold]

isn't it literally by like 3 people

[vestal rivet]

everything
we stopped 3 separate race wars in that fing time

[candid cliff]

it'd be better if 90% of it wasn't decade years old

[edgy loom]

these three people constantly retcon themselves

[clear scaffold]

to be fair the first what? few years were defintely messing around

[candid cliff]

it was just references to culture mostly

[clear scaffold]

and then they got towards gavel and probably realised "crap we can't mess around now"

[candid cliff]

avatar

shrek

harry potter

etc

[vestal rivet]

if anything, it's impressive it wasn't like 10 years
because how tf do you stop race wars in under a year on average

[edgy loom]

honestly the issues stem from recent stuff

[clear scaffold]

Orc's and ogres value strength

D&D is just bad writing

[vestal rivet]

still in the canon

[clear scaffold]

and uh... which is the third race war

[vestal rivet]

Corkians and Avos have a few close calls in Feathers Fly

[candid cliff]

how so

[vestal rivet]

although that one is more prevention

[candid cliff]

the king was already in hate of the past

[clear scaffold]

we never stopped the war.

[vestal rivet]

we helped Maxie do it
what do you mean we didn't do it

[clear scaffold]

the king never was. That was the prince.

[vestal rivet]

helped Ava too

[candid cliff]

He was lol he says it

he just didn't want to because a rebellion would break out

[vestal rivet]

AHC even supports it

if it's alt futures are to be believed as remotely credible

[clear scaffold]

that war is on ceasefire at the time.

the player has VERY little to do with that

[vestal rivet]

and it was about to start again due to Ava's shenanigans no?????

[clear scaffold]

no

they were WORRIED it would

[candid cliff]

they just hate each other

it's not a war

[clear scaffold]

but it wasn't gonna start

[vestal rivet]

Ava destroying the Corkus main square be like:

[clear scaffold]

yeah that's one avo

who just got exiled

[vestal rivet]

you think most of the Corkians know or care about that?

[clear scaffold]

yeah a tiny bit, a war isn't exactly on their minds at that moment in time. but no chance of a war

They were more just worried it would get worse but no the player never stopped a war between the corkians and avos

[vestal rivet]

I feel like a war would've come closer to happening or even happened if not for Maxie being the most level-headed man in the game world and for the player doing their plot things

[clear scaffold]

oh also the king of rodoroc never says anything about ending the lie outside of how fundamentally a bad idea it is

[glass acorn]

Ava is an npc i yearn to like but i also just want to throttle

[clear scaffold]

the closest he gets is if the prince didn't do some acts of destruction he would of been in a better position to talk

[vestal rivet]

I did miss this
but at the same time in Breaking Point we actually see him acting on what he implied

[clear scaffold]

yeah breaking point is fine. I just hate how D&D plays out

[vestal rivet]

helping the Doguns rebuild Taloka and reheating the older Doguns

[clear scaffold]

toilet joke, garaheth's "boss" and well some of the characters not seeming that great

[glass acorn]

also doesnt he have a giant gold toilet? im p sure thats in that quest, like why xD

[vestal rivet]

D&D characters are literally just like
Axelus
King of Rodoroc
Korzim
uh
a bunch of side characters

[clear scaffold]

yeah and i like more of the side characters

korzim is kinda cool at least

[vestal rivet]

quartz to be white but still a giant toilet

[candid cliff]

it's just old

[clear scaffold]

honestly, it wasn't even great at the time xD

[candid cliff]

the boss is as is because its limited

[glass acorn]

ahh yep i messed up the material. Its just like... Man cant even USE it, its just a goddamn show off toilet

[clear scaffold]

garaheth was also suffering from the usual joke of what eats us this time.

[candid cliff]

I wouldn't be surprised if anni was inspired by what garateth couldnt do at the time

[vestal rivet]

olinus vid with storyline beginning teasers dropped

[candid cliff]

wut

[candid cliff]

that's heavy implication especially with bp

the best thing D&D did is the funniest dialogue in the series

[clear scaffold]

Actually that's straight from dialogue

[candid cliff]

"They're already going?! We're out of time! Korzim is waiting for you just upstairs when you reach level 94. Go train! NOW!"

[candid cliff]

I know the dialogue

[clear scaffold]

I do wish he turned over time and not a straight 180

[candid cliff]

D&D part 65

I get what ya mean

[edgy loom]

FINALLY some good teasers

hopefully they say juicy stuff

[vestal rivet]

it's the Q&A olinus mentioned

only some of it is lore now that I'm watching it

[edgy loom]

olinus is the fucking best he asks trick questions

I hope he does the same here

[candid cliff]

yeah olinus10 is really good

i really needed that enzans brother quest guide

[edgy loom]

https://youtu.be/rqDxNpBvtWI?t=420

player sovereign deconfirmed

I'm killing someone

the 2nd sovereign better be the inquisitor who erased our memory then and he has to have personal ties to us

[hybrid gazelle]

Why would a role of a govern be an inquisitors

A role thst send outside of the empire to spy on people??

[edgy loom]

the player's memorywipe is different from everyone's else

the orb explodes

they were brainwashed differently

I don't necessarily mean an actual inquisitor, just someone with that power

and we've got to think of this from a story perspective

you complete the fruma arg

you get some guy talking to you about your memory wipe

then you see that mirror

the same one we then see on the 2nd sovereign teaser

there has to be some connection between the 2nd sovereign and the player

[potent latch]

I swear everything has an arg connected to it

[edgy loom]

I finished watching the Q&A in the background

they don't even have the game finished for the beta

june release date 🙏

[shut hornet]

we never finish in advance

[hybrid gazelle]

The game never finish until full release

That like

What beta is for

[clear scaffold]

i would seriously hope there's an answer for why the player just doesn't have memories. i'm gonna watch the video though

[edgy loom]

but has the team given release dates like this before?

march is pretty tight

[clear scaffold]

that's my main hope for fruma

[shut hornet]

ive got some things planned thatll probably only be added during beta, some even later than that

[clear scaffold]

i wanna know what the player is for fruma

[edgy loom]

beta testing is usually to fine tune and balance

[shut hornet]

they are decidedly not necessary for beta launch though

[edgy loom]

the thing is that currently the features that make up the beta arent ready

[shut hornet]

i dont think so, but i think its doable

[edgy loom]

well that's..... I mean, I don't know much about game development

[shut hornet]

and i say this as someone who is prone to doubting our internal release dates

[edgy loom]

but that's a first

[edgy loom]

aight I'm putting my faith on you, I elect you representative of the ct

[shut hornet]

wynn is a live service game much like minecraft so not everything has to be added all at once, just look at snapshots, they add stuff gradually throughout. of course fruma will be more finished than that on beta release

my stuff thats planned is mainly just extras or improvements to some of my older stuff

ive been working on fruma since i first joined the ct and my skills have improved significantly since then, and as such i have some stuff from my early days on the team that i am really not proud of and would like to redo

thats not to say that theyre bad necessarily i just want to redo them for my own sake

[shut hornet]

giving a release window here kind of had to be done. this update has been very hyped up and its a different one to market compared to past updates, because the main target audience is returning players and not new ones. to build all that hype and then give a hugely ambiguous release window would turn so many people off, so i think salted's done a good job of choosing a window thats narrow while still giving us the time we need to get fruma to a releasable quality

[vestal rivet]

releases March 31st
or maybe March 30th if I'm lucky
the ULTIMATE BDay present for me

[edgy loom]

I suppose with the "beta" labelling I'd assume it'd be more close to minecraft's pre-release

[edgy loom]

can we please delay fruma so it doesnt land on this specific person's birthday

[vestal rivet]

oh and as far as quests go
the olinus vid said that the first like 2 quests aren't even in Fruma right?
I may do those and maybe one more after and that be it to not spoil myself too much, I don't want the story spoilers or to make TOO much progress from my main acc

find a grindspot in Aubern, or fall back on Witness Church if necessary to get some of that extra AP to test stuff on my island

[vestal rivet]

you live up to your un, you weanie

[edgy loom]

weanie..... how didnt I think of that.....

[vestal rivet]

UTY references

[regal spire]

Weanie… I like that…

[wind cliff]

does the fruma quest happen between journey further and a hunters calling?

or after hunters calling

iirc at the end hunters calling we were gonna go to dern

[lavish knot]

It's after SE storyline

[clear scaffold]

i could see it as fruma's the reason we can't go to dern yet

[digital swan]

hunter's calling feels like pre dern mabye they'll delete it now that Fruma is in the middle and add a quest introducing TNA

[opaque remnant]

A Journey Further introduces TNA

[digital swan]

I mean a quest that properly introduces TNA

[opaque remnant]

Yeah fair

[digital swan]

rather than pass the portal on the way to EO

[opaque remnant]

The whole section of the quest with the Void Holes could be expanded on.
The problem is we don’t have NPCs in The Silent Expanse other than the Lutho ones, and they barely count.

But if we did have an NPC in the expanse, it would sorta ruin the whole thing.

[digital swan]

oh yeah also AJF never actually mentions TNA

[digital swan]

we have ???

[wind cliff]

we try stepping into dern
the player experiences a mental agony and severe head ache
we collapse into a coma
lutho people find us and take care until we wake up
we head back to deltas to try checking a doctor about it
we bump into tasim delivering us a letter
he also got one
from the queen of fruma inviting us back
(insert the entire fruma storyline here)
we discover that the queen's power is borrowed from Dern, and that soldiers are programmed with measures that stop them from stepping close to that truth

something like this?

could make sense?

cuz I doubt they would modify AHC itself

[digital swan]

we could have like
idk, TNA officially mentioned to be a distant part of Dern rather than Silent Expanse void, and Mr. ??? lets you visit at level 103 so you can see a preview of dern, then tells you to train and come back at level 119
(and then AHC level 119 as an analogue of RoL 4)

[opaque remnant]

Oh yeah I forgot about ???

[digital swan]

which would make Le TNA Quest an analogue of RoL 1

[opaque remnant]

idk if TNA fits in with RoL

Wasn’t it mentioned somewhere that TNA is it’s own thing, not even super related to Dern?

[digital swan]

and after giving hunted he opens up the portal to dern and enters, so in the next (Dern) update you get to enter

[digital swan]

it's like The Worm Holes they'll figure it out somehow

[slender copper]

Okay... so after reading this, I think I got a good rundown to it.

Orphion and Dern Beast are not forces that mean "good" and "bad", but are simply manifestations of Light and Darkness. Both want to expand their domain. Orphion thinking that they are a good force on Gavel and thus their actions/decision making is needed and Dern Beast being generally evil and has shown to give good points that Orphion isn't all that cracked to be.

However there does seem to be some controversy regarding Lari and the Player's rule.

Seems like the general idea in the convo (at least what people not in the CT team think) is that Orphion sees us as pawns, and that after Lari showed resistance in not killing the Parasite resulted in him abandoning her to soon pick us up as a more suitable pawn.

Seems like CT only mentioned the "not good or bad, just light and darkness" thing.

[opaque remnant]

Orphion is bad

Dern is bad

I vote the player becomes god of Twilight

[slender copper]

I don't trust us being that high in power lol.

We're dumb too.

[opaque remnant]

Fair

[slim belfry]

twilight becomes real in one month

[glass acorn]

Tasim for next God

best boy

[slender copper]

The Rol series is needed in Fruma, so all I'm hoping for is a satisfying ending that doesn't result in something really sad lol.

[lavish knot]

What if we are the scales?

[slender copper]

Player is the ⚖️ on the Wynncraft logo theory goes crazy /j

[digital swan]

honestly just rewrite the kander forest as an Addition of Darkness rather than the Removal of Light
now Light is suddenly no longer necessary or natural anywhere, no need to default to Light good

[slim belfry]

I assume that just means silent expanse would be even more dark

[digital swan]

the main point tho is that like
there is no longer a need to cling to Light

if the Kander Forest is caused by removing Light, well then you have no choice. It's light or the world turns into SE

if not, you can refuse to follow light

with significantly fewer negative side effects

[hybrid gazelle]

Darker darker yet darker

[chilly tulip]

I do wish that it was less Light = Good and Dark = Evil and more like each are bad in different ways? Something like they’re both alien presences on the material plane and are causing problems by existing and the solution is to kick them both out

[vestal rivet]

both ARE bad in different ways

the dark is just not as good at hiding it :)

[chilly tulip]

Like you could still keep the whole ROL quests and NOL raids just rewrite them to show more negative consequences

[chilly tulip]

I mean the dark just doesn’t care

[vestal rivet]

niether does the light, truly
both only want to expand

[chilly tulip]

Yep

Maybe expand more on the Orphion being a bit shitty?

[vestal rivet]

he doesn't let you leave his little test until you choose to side with Urelix

[chilly tulip]

Like sure we can still go to the NOL to free him so the land stops actively dying but maybe we could still tell him to get off our lawn

[chilly tulip]

Yeah more of that

[vestal rivet]

Light and Dark are opposed. Even if neither is great, the Dark is more actively and directly malicious, meaning it is generally a more immediate threat.

[chilly tulip]

Also despite my grievances with Lari, maybe she would’ve done her job if the Orphion actually told her stuff

Like you don’t see your employee doing something wrong that could eventually lead to your company going under and a lot of people dying and go, “Eh, she’ll figure it out eventually

[grand pulsar]

Is there any reason that Lari was chosen specifically? Like what is the reason Orphion couldn't have chosen anyone else. He knew going in that Lari was a pacifist. If he expected her to kill the thing anyways just because he told her to that is a dumb reason. And as much as I felt the whinny part of Lari the first couple of times playing through these quests, I've come to realize that she did pretty much all she could as a pacifist. She tried to cure the decay and held the barrier between Dark and Light forests. As much of a mistake of Lari not killing the parasite is just as much as a mistake on Orphion's part. If you were to pick someone in real life into an army, full knowing they were going to have to kill, would you choose someone who is a pacifist? (In terms of if you choose who goes in and not drafting people).

[hybrid gazelle]

No

This is rol writing

You won’t get an explanation

You getting hours of time wasted

[digital swan]

no, the dark just doesn't need to hide it

the light does

if the situation was reversed

we'd get zeus'd by orphion

[grand pulsar]

Yeah, I think what the ??? entity was trying to say is that Dark isn't exactly evil per se. It just does what it does and other beings perceive it as evil

[digital swan]

no, both sides are evil

Light just pretends to care because it's losing

so it makes itself look good to humans
Poof! they have an ally against the darkness

[grand pulsar]

We should really have a part of the map where it is pure light and have enemies such as Light insane villagers or something like that

I have always thought that too much light would cause one to go insane

[digital swan]

darkness doesn't need to make itself look good to humans. It's winning. by a lot.

[grand pulsar]

Is this the reason the ??? entity just says yeah were done here, go kill your fellow recruits with this new power

[digital swan]

who tf knows ??? is a little freak

[slender copper]

Huh. Emojies get deleted here.

Anyways, guess this really is the war of the realms.

[pallid heath]

is there a video or some docs that explain the main quests lore till up now? i figured i should read it before i play fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

I still working on the loer summary

everything pretty much finis hjust need more refine

[chilly tulip]

White Dog and Black Dog are fighting and making it everyone else’s problem

There, summarized

[hybrid gazelle]

the summary still ongoing

I am at finalization of te corruption war rn

with bob legends and corkus and ocean stuff left

some detail will be left out as it's lore summaru

[eternal helm]

gale!?

[summer latch]

I made a summary of all the relevant lore and my predictions here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kKi25Rgcr5w3KbeG4d66kKaOl9Fsy248y3ujPPzODVc/edit?tab=t.0

[whole river]

Lari goes on a full mental breakdown about how orphion doesn’t talk to her and the motherfucker furry goes “her heart and mind are confused”

Like bro talk to her😭

[junior thunder]

Who do you think is gonna be the raid boss for Wartorn Palace?

[hybrid gazelle]

hubert

literally not the first time they have raid boss being promoted first

[junior thunder]

Nahhhhhh

He's a miniboss at best

No way he's comparable to Orphion, the Colossus and Greg

It's gotta be the Queen

And she transforms to a huge crazy butterfly

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know what he is

and the way Salted saying how it going to be crazy felt like it's something entirely

[hybrid gazelle]

also the quee nbeing final raid boss run into similar issue as Orphion and Parasite

where you got this huge storyline that concluded with a content that is so gameplay focus that barely narratively could be fit in

so I highly dbout the queen going to be to the raid

and the raid likely use as obstacle for the final quest

since the wording in the raid description feel like take place within the story

[junior thunder]

Bro, @hybrid gazelle

I found some very sus stuff about the queen

[junior thunder]

Welp, whatever

Fruma Queen should have a banger like this as a boss theme

https://youtu.be/MgbjTqiqmTg?si=N7YlPdgW7I0IJZcq

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

[glass acorn]

"Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No Its Gale!!"

[edgy loom]

yeah but the game doesnt do a job at showcasing this

[edgy loom]

writing choices aside, the reworked aldorei's secret 2 tells us lari was chosen after warning the elves to not cut down the tree (I don't remember the specifics I just know she defied the elders)

[edgy loom]

I wish we had a little one time story run of the raid you can do solo. we already kinda have this in galleon's graveyard

[lavish knot]

I have a feeling that light being not as good as it seems is going to be explored in Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

CT do express they want to make Light do more "evil" stuff

so we will see

[edgy loom]

it's revealed orphion stole candy from a kid once

then one quest later the dern beast is torturing people for fun

[candid cliff]

That's great

[candid cliff]

Reads nice

You should do more of these little explanations like corruption+decay too

These were great short little summaries

[hybrid gazelle]

Corruption and decay already have entier forum post and tumblr post dedicate to them

so other people should seek those instead if they want proper explination

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/influence-of-corruption-lore-study.322527/

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/corruption-and-decay-study.320953/

[slim belfry]

ah yes the orikal and lari posts

loved reading these

[candid cliff]

yes I know I meant making more like those, my bad if I was unclear

[hybrid gazelle]

The summary of wynncraft lore is in the process of beta read rn

[cosmic hamlet]

cows are aliens but theyre also god but theyre also cows and my moobyl is a wybel x cow/alien/god love child

[hybrid gazelle]

Wocs are not cow

they just happen to look like cow

and also HAPPEN to have their name be inverse version of cow

but really they actaully entirely new spieces that disconnect from the evolutionary tree of the earth cow

due to the fact they are alien from another plents

to they in fact are not cow

similar to how some "crabs" are not crab

[glass acorn]

convergent evolution /jk

[cosmic hamlet]

I forgot they were called wocs

Are wybels canon

Very serious

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

tehy are

[cosmic hamlet]

I got a jackowybel from a little bit ago
Does this mean
A wybel did the thing with a Jack O lantern
It's a wybel dressed as a Jack O lantern
It's a mutated Jack O wybel
Or what else could it be

[edgy loom]

did they just make outerspace canon for the sake of a joke quest or are other planets something canon to the story? maybe the origin of the meteors? whether or not light and dark can reach them?

[hybrid gazelle]

wybel is a lot of thing

I guess

[cosmic hamlet]

Lol agreed

[regal spire]

As of now, the moon is a less serious location, but meteors and space have basically been relevant since 1.14

[burnt robin]

does anyone know who this guy is

after all this time, i still have no idea what this is

[edgy loom]

I saw someone say it was aledar's soul trying to escape his body due to the obelisk

this is what we see in point of no return

thought it gets a tad confusing since he's outside of the monolith's range and aledar is an assassin so he has access to clones

maybe it was the dark obelisk?

[regal spire]

We’ll never know, because it’s completely ignored in game, and out of game

[candid cliff]

Point of no return theory makes the most sense since the quest is in the same territory

[regal spire]

Unless somebody with extensive knowledge of their own creation would like to come up and give us of the ignorant playerbase some contextorino?

[candid cliff]

and you see a lot of mutated lutho citizens in the wastes, without their eyes

[dense python]

isnt this his like dark reflection that ambushes him from behind when we are walking to EO in AJF

[regal spire]

I figured they just sorta wandered out of Lutho to there

[candid cliff]

We'll never know

[dense python]

idk i always figured it was just an attack on him from the environment

[edgy loom]

maybe those ones are affected by the dark obelisk?

the light obelisk offered salvation to the citizens

to combat this, the dern beast put a dark obelisk there

[dense python]

it seems more plausible to me that simply because they got out of the light obelisk's protective range that the expanse got the better of them

[regal spire]

Black obelisk of completely contextless origin

[edgy loom]

it'd promise even more happiness to the residents

[dense python]

mutated lutho citizens just look like they got overtaken by the toxic sludge they could have just been attacked by slimes like aledar did

he only didnt die to that thanks to the weird hair loss treatment or wtv it was

[edgy loom]

hold on

I just had a big brain idea

through the royal reports and the letter sent to the queen

we know they've taken an interest on the player

what if the original 2nd sovereign died/had to step down

and they plan on making the new 2nd sovereign a copy of the player

that'd explain the mirror motif

hell, let's go a step further

the 2nd sovereign will be the raid boss

and they'll somehow make it change depending on your skin

and it'll have aura and be awesome and cool

[opaque remnant]

Wait… that also would fit with a theory I had that Soosu made the mirror

Wait. But a raid needs a minimum of 3 players.

[edgy loom]

yeah, the skin would change for each player

it'd have AURA

we already know they have this technology to some degree

the inquisitor mobs from the fruma arg could only be seen by a single player

an entire mob

[opaque remnant]

Yes, but that’s different from completely changing the texture of a mob.

[edgy loom]

completely changing the texture of a mob is much less of a feat

wynncraft already did this when it supported old versions

like the parrots in troms who'd change models depending on your version

[opaque remnant]

Parrots already have multiple textures. But Wynncraft would have to download every single individual player skin

[edgy loom]

what are you talking about with the parrots

I'm saying that if you played wynncraft with a version where parrots werent added

the models of the mobs would be chickens instead

[opaque remnant]

Still, that’s a huge difference

[edgy loom]

and wynncraft wouldnt have to download skins, the technology is already there with emotes

fun fact

did you know that minecraft downloads EVERY skin you come across?

there's a folder in your computer with thousands of skins downloaded

[lavish knot]

Minecraft... sure is a game huh

[edgy loom]

it's actually pretty useful for getting npc skins so I'm not complaining

[lavish knot]

Wait I just realised

If they would do that, theres a chance for the skin to break on the model

[hybrid gazelle]

So far I think I got positive reception for the lore summary so far

But gotta do grammar correction

I probably try to get it out this week

Visual idk

[edgy loom]

in what way?

[lavish knot]

Like with standard and slim skins?

Crate opening broke mine, I primarily use standard

[gaunt belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/wynn-wynncraft-wackolo-seeking-totem-no-morph-gif-26471056

[chilly tulip]

What is this? Like is it in the game because I’ve never seen it

[burnt robin]

💀

its in a journey further quest dude