📚lore_discussion

[exotic ledge]

Rymek Luke wins the aura powerscaling debate

[jovial cosmos]

If the stats were equaled out who knows

[hybrid gazelle]

context matter because usually what Rymek luke up against usually is like

coyotes

other bandits

and yeah

he is like

[jovial cosmos]

And the undead

And some demons

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think devils are reach that far

but sure

[jovial cosmos]

They did

[hybrid gazelle]

I am aware

I seen some

I just dont htink they are that common

[jovial cosmos]

Corruption spikes are that far so yeah-

Good point

[hybrid gazelle]

it only small patches

[jovial cosmos]

He might just be a big fish in a small pond

[hybrid gazelle]

like the roster here

is range from outdated lore

random ass person

or whatever the fuck that is

[jovial cosmos]

Who's the random ass person?

[hybrid gazelle]

someone like Rymek Luke

like in comparison to all these roster

he pretty mcuh random ass person

like

[jovial cosmos]

to be perfectly fair

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf he gonna do when he up against literal dernic creature

LMAO

[jovial cosmos]

the recruit is also a randomly ass person-

OH THATS A GOOD POINT LOL
3

LOWKEY FORGOT ABOUT DERNIC CREATURE

[hybrid gazelle]

player is character with polot armor

so like

narrative random person

[jovial cosmos]

gods

[hybrid gazelle]

but also like not really random

[jovial cosmos]

True true

gods on the topic of rymek luke

[hybrid gazelle]

Also prison of souls and skein just

[jovial cosmos]

I wonder what would've happened if he decided to just like

[hybrid gazelle]

out of the question because most of them just oudated

[jovial cosmos]

start travelling like the player did

He is definitely working with limited equipment in Rymek

If he got the chance to go to corkus or gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

probably going somewhere

[jovial cosmos]

Gods knows what his guns can do

[hybrid gazelle]

definitely he would be rich somewhere as gun smith

[jovial cosmos]

Lowkey Rymek Luke in another timeline:

[hybrid gazelle]

but probably he got a reputation that prevent him from doing so

my hc is that

[jovial cosmos]

Mysterious Stranger from Fallout

[hybrid gazelle]

his gun are created by him attempting to reverse engineer corkian technology

[jovial cosmos]

Oh good point

[hybrid gazelle]

and corkian dont liek people meddle with their tech

[jovial cosmos]

I

[hybrid gazelle]

so corkian been pressuring detlas to tell Almuj to deal with the criminals

[jovial cosmos]

his colors do kinda remind me of a corkian

[hybrid gazelle]

that could work too

cause my hc is that in rymek

there are corkian smugglers

that selling corkian tech in there

he could be a corkian smuggler runaway from home and gain reputation of his own in the mesa

[jovial cosmos]

Well thing is that his weapon is fairly unique compared to everyone else

From the flavor text of his gun:

The weapon of the fearsome lone bandit, Rymek Luke, it is unique in that it is designed to fire small metal rounds instead of more traditional projectiles.

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh I dont even think that should be what unique about Bulleye

what unique about bulleye should be the fact that it capable of firing in quick suecession

without the need to reload

that a big deal

[jovial cosmos]

I think that's more him to be fair

[vestal rivet]

I have a paladin run in the works similar to my acrobat run I recently did
but this paladin is on a holy crusade and I'm making sure to hit every boss altar on-level
this guy was fun to deal with actually, human innovation and drive for destruction met holy protection

[jovial cosmos]

rather than the gun itself

[hybrid gazelle]

guns back then(which likely exist in Wynn province)

arem ostly musket

which take long time to reload

As someone else suggest before

[jovial cosmos]

i love that

[hybrid gazelle]

it likely the reason guns are not widely used in Wynn

[jovial cosmos]

Guns are really only confirmed to be used in some parts of Corkus and Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

mostly because take too long to reload to be useful against horde of undead

[jovial cosmos]

That's a really good point, never would've thought of it

[hybrid gazelle]

bandits have blunderbluss in sandy scandel

[jovial cosmos]

Still tho

[hybrid gazelle]

and wecan amke educated guess that wynn people likely do use guns because they have access to gunpowder

[jovial cosmos]

I think if Luke decided to travel the world

Think he'd get pretty damn strong

[hybrid gazelle]

majority of Wynn province just oudated in writing wise

[jovial cosmos]

definitely not as strong as tasim or aledar was

[vestal rivet]

that same quest has them steal high-end weapons just for the heist
it may have been from the vaults

[jovial cosmos]

but maybe around level 80-90?

[hybrid gazelle]

and the writers back then probably written under assumption that medival time has no gun

which they did LOL

[jovial cosmos]

LMAO

[hybrid gazelle]

I think wynn peopel should have gun

like blunderbuss or handcannon

[jovial cosmos]

Thing is they are trying to modernize

[vestal rivet]

that be true
anti-gun knight armor was a thing lol
double layer metal plating like an armored car is made

[hybrid gazelle]

I think those would make sense and give wynn more zombie apocalyptic feel

[jovial cosmos]

But the problem is they are limited with their technology

[hybrid gazelle]

also yeah

Gavel shoudl help

also I think Wynn capable of advance tech on their own

[jovial cosmos]

From the detlas shipments, they're more interested in Llevigar's quartz shipments

[hybrid gazelle]

the war been going on for 1000 years

[jovial cosmos]

Which is more magical-electricity

[vestal rivet]

Gavel feels like it's still very much behind technologically even compared to Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

and with Bob persence, they likely develop something new along the way

[jovial cosmos]

Wynn compared to the other provinces is honestly more on the decline

[vestal rivet]

except for the golem factory and quartron that is

[jovial cosmos]

The only safe guard they have is probablyy uhhhh

maybe Santa

But even then lol

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah on topic of that wait

[jovial cosmos]

Yeah?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDdid some exploration on how Wynn rewrite could be like if they expand on more how villager impact their technology

not just villager actually, outside world interaction

after 900 AP wynn technology take a massive jump

magic being research and improve upon to become a weapon

[jovial cosmos]

woah whered you get that om

[hybrid gazelle]

quartz are either using as battery or explosive material

that my art

[jovial cosmos]

THATS YOURS?!

HOLY CRAP ITS PEAK

[hybrid gazelle]

quartz weaponry was part of my wartorn project

until CT write to reference to that

[jovial cosmos]

hmm

Quartz gear

It's more magic-electricity based

but not quite electromagic right?

[hybrid gazelle]

that

rather difficult to say

but it defintiely not electricity

the thing about quartz is that it store magic

just magic itself

[vestal rivet]

quartz does seem to work differently from electromagic
seems more like generic magic pew pew laser energy

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[chilly tulip]

It’s mentioned in like one quest only and an old secret discovery

[hybrid gazelle]

it

it literally difficult to say

cause the way quartz written in game is very poorly

like EXTREMELY poorly and confusing

[chilly tulip]

Seems like it’s more akin to a battery?

[hybrid gazelle]

but overall what you need to know is quartz absorb magic and store it inside

[vestal rivet]

also
Llevigar is effectively a nuclear bomb

[hybrid gazelle]

essentailly act as battery

[chilly tulip]

I mean

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know how the absorption work

[jovial cosmos]

I mean theoretically yes

But the thing is that its SO MASSIVE

[chilly tulip]

That was the Heart of Lievgar quest

[hybrid gazelle]

this is fucking insane that the city still stand

it should have been explode in 1 year top LOL

[jovial cosmos]

That whatever magical power it stores up will take centuries for it to actually detonate

[wispy bay]

gert of llevigar

[jovial cosmos]

...

Then again

heart of llevigar

was like

bad

like really bad

[hybrid gazelle]

that the thing

the fact that they never establish it

it just

[vestal rivet]

in my joke wynn 2 lore I had every possible catastrophe happen at once
one of them was Llevigar going off like a nuclear bomb and making a mini-shattering in western Gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

it just another example why writing during gavel time just

so fucking bad

quartz lore is so confusing and contradicting to one another

case example

[chilly tulip]

I wish we ended up getting the Quartz mine raid

[hybrid gazelle]

there is one discovery

that have you detonate a quartz

by using spell

[chilly tulip]

Could’ve expanded a bit more on it

[hybrid gazelle]

you detonate a quartz

on quartz floor

do you see the problem

that shit is like "blow up this gunpowder" While the floor is made of gunpowder

[jovial cosmos]

i mean it could be more stable depending on the type?

Something like how Fertilizer is explosive

but the air around us ISN'T explosive

[vestal rivet]

I love when my house is made out of brick-shaped grenades plastered and sealed with C4

[jovial cosmos]

despite it being composed of the same stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

that the thing

that like the reason why quartz lore is poorly explain

[chilly tulip]

Maybe it’s whether the quartz is purified or not?

[hybrid gazelle]

that never esatblish

we just know quartz absorb magic

[chilly tulip]

Like shitty gunpowder doesn’t explode well

[hybrid gazelle]

EVEN THAT ONE SCIENTIST

THAT ONE SCIENTIST

[vestal rivet]

I guess it COULD be a quality thing but like that's never shown

[hybrid gazelle]

decide to fuckin build his lab out of quartz

like there gotta be something in the fucking water man

there definitely something in the water

[jovial cosmos]

its quartz

quartz is in the water

[hybrid gazelle]

geniunely brain rotting

[jovial cosmos]

I mean all the villagers are balding

so yeah

its def quartz

[hybrid gazelle]

whateven worse is that

[jovial cosmos]

in actuality though

[hybrid gazelle]

we establish that everything in wynncraft is magical in some degree

[vestal rivet]

if you go to Lake Gylia, there IS something canonically in the water lol
fing meteor radiation particles

[hybrid gazelle]

IMPLY THAT

[jovial cosmos]

Quartz being largely misunderstood isn't necessarily a bad thing

[chilly tulip]

Hey the man’s got an asthetic and he commits to it

I respect that

[hybrid gazelle]

Even underground, quartz should have absorb all earth elements and shit to beign with 😭

[chilly tulip]

Even if it’s just a bomb

[jovial cosmos]

We have a lot of tech irl that doesn't reallly make sense once you really think about it

Like again

[hybrid gazelle]

yes it's bad thing because what we understood is contradicting and ridiculous

[jovial cosmos]

Fertilizer

[hybrid gazelle]

except they fucking do to expert

everything make sense

[jovial cosmos]

Fertilizer is a highly explosive agent that can blow up if ignited the wrongw ay

[hybrid gazelle]

it just your lack of knowledge o nit

but quartz lore is just

contradicting in everyway

[jovial cosmos]

but its also composed of stuff that's usually inert and requires other kinds of tech to actually get it in a state we want it

man youre really pent up about quartz

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[jovial cosmos]

But fair enough

[hybrid gazelle]

because I write

[chilly tulip]

But that’s just because of its composition, nitrogen is just dangerous in general

[hybrid gazelle]

ENTIRE FUCKING LORE DOC

ON THEM

so yes

[jovial cosmos]

Eh, so long as its in the air and bonded correctly its MOSTLY fine lol

mostly

[hybrid gazelle]

this shit was like

my early draft of quartz

[jovial cosmos]

I do like ur art

[chilly tulip]

Most of the time

[hybrid gazelle]

which i scrap

because I fucking hate it

I have to restart from the ground up by trying to understand wynncraft magic system

the problem is

understanding wynncraft magic system make quartz make even less sense

[chilly tulip]

Maybe make the quartz either related to meteors or ROL for its magical potential?

[hybrid gazelle]

no because I am like

it's fine

it's fine for its to be natural part of the world

[chilly tulip]

ROL looks like it has a lot of quartz

[hybrid gazelle]

no it just happe nto sue quartz block

because quartz block is white

not everything has to link to ROL

directly

quartz can just be natural mineral/element in the world

[jovial cosmos]

i mean honestly it could just be from the old dudes of ahms

[chilly tulip]

I think the best explanation then would be the processed/refined quartz can store magic

[jovial cosmos]

something like a left-over remnant

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that what I though

[jovial cosmos]

Wait also Trashie

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah?

[jovial cosmos]

So all the wynncraft art i find

thats YOU?

like this one???

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[jovial cosmos]

HOLY SHIT YOURE A GOAT

[hybrid gazelle]

that outdated deisgn tho

entire wartorn project is mine yes

[jovial cosmos]

DUDE IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DO WYNNCRAFT FANART FOR A LONG TIME

YOURE TE ONLY ONE I CAN FIND

PEAKKK

Okay i gotta do work but like-

Gods youre really cool :D

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I unfortunately have unhealthy obessession

with wynncraft

out of all things

[jovial cosmos]

hey hey

dont worry bout it

i bought champion rank

[hybrid gazelle]

I also make magic system

like I write entire magic system two time

I probably gonna write third soon

and write summary of wynncraft lore

like

shit tough sometime becuase most of these is just me tryign to make sense of wynncraft world

I probably have to write about wynncraft material to also explain quartz and introduce new concept

[chilly tulip]

Is there a place where we can view all the art and wartorm project as a collection?

[hybrid gazelle]

sliver being important metal in wynn province would be cool

oh yeah on my tumblr

I got a tag called wartorn project

most of my stuff are there

[chilly tulip]

Dope

[vestal rivet]

oh yeah
that could maybe be a good reason for continuing to hold Tromsi Jungle?
it would have silver in it

[hybrid gazelle]

also just generally reason to why wynn province can hold off fire casting skeleton lmao

like my homebrew is that

sliver is a material able to repel magic

so basically to understand it

you also need to understand my take on how wynncraft magic work

so essentially wynncraft magic mainly elemental magic are invisible force that control their respective element

so a fire ball

is just concenetratin of fire magic that control the fire into a ball shape

so if this fireball hit sliver, the sliver will get hit by fire but the magic would dissipate

it not 100% anti magic but it definitely negate it to some extend

[vestal rivet]

orrr they just do the boring thing and make it somehow harm the corruption more than normal material by being a "purer" material than what can normally be obtained or something

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that boring so I dont do that

[vestal rivet]

A Thing of Purity

[hybrid gazelle]

I just make sliver like

a parry button

so it not like

you are not going to wear fucking sliver armor into battle like

that would be pointless

like sure fireball would dissipate from you upon contact

but you will get burnt

so get sliver sword and parry the fireball

[vestal rivet]

oh yeah
offtopic but
your archetype characters do any of them have canon deaths/other ends?

[hybrid gazelle]

Raphosa planned to fucking die in Patriot storyline that i have

Fallen dying kinda

his entire thing

but yeah other than raphosa

I kidna dont have any plan for other archetype to die

unless we talking about Forgery AU

but forgery AU pretty much just everyone fucking die AU

[vestal rivet]

idk my fallen headcanon was they he was feral, hero chose him and made him lucent again, he manages to get through whatever Fruma throws at him and Hero finally leaves him, and he scrapes together what little he has left mentally to charge into the corruption portal and start doomslayer'n it for all eternity, creating a long term stop that greatly slows the rate at which things emerge from the portal

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

that cool take on the fallen

that definitely could work as doom guy type shit

but for me I kinda really want to make a point that

corruption is not some power booster for your OC

not you specifically

but like I see my OC as art piece that tackle different concept and idea

and expand them

so Fallen specifically is a showcase how corruption, well corrupt people

A once noble knight that literally kind hearted and want nothing more to protect his people

now corrupted into a feral monster that only wear husk of an armor and continue to terrorize the kingdom he once swore an oath to

Corruption dont just make people angry, they make mockery of what they were

all their positive turn into negative

what once was courage and strong will now turn into an undying and unrelenting aggression

what once was masterful swordmanship now turn into a brutal combat that slaughter anyone the husk come across

Corruption just suck overall for those who got corrupted and those who see loved one got corrupted

because what was reanimated is simply a husk of them that not only amplify their flaws but also turn their positive into weapon against the people

that why my take of corruption have indivudal with strong will have higher chance to become a "warlord"

[vestal rivet]

I had it so that the influence would get worse with time, but Hero halted it temporarily and let Fallen be a hero despite his condition even if it was fleeting
and then when his time came, he intentionally directed his destructive instincts in the right direction so that even after having faded he still protects
same idea has Fallens be an order of corruption-afflicted soldiers sent on suicide missions so that they can have one last hoorah before they fall too far, fighting with brutality and reckless abandon
and this Fallen is the only one to have ever somehow walked away from that alive and not totally have lost it yet

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

yeah that definitely cool take on fallen archetype

I do think other people take fallen as like this

struggle to find to keep their self intact to be intresting

I often suggest those people to explore how people in wynn shun corruption

and how their OC would itneract with the world around them now the taint of corruption is on them

I often have go through many iteration with how corruption work to allow such thing to exist

becuase whole point of my wartorn project is not only to expand and give clear info how certain work

but als oallow OC creation to exist

it basically a guideline

I always see wartorn project as a guideline and not rule set,
breaking the norm definitely a good way to create a unique character

tbh that remind me

[candid cliff]

I recommend #your_work

Trashie is good but there's a more wynncraft fan art to see

[hybrid gazelle]

one of my archetype rework idea is to turn Falle into archetypethat need to manage their corruption in check

and only unleash it in the right time

as oppose to "fuck it we ball"

[vestal rivet]

only issue with that is that Fallen is meant to be uber-aggressive
the corruption increases aggression and the archetype is meant to reflect that, and run with it by expanding it into its current high risk high reward playstyle

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it is

that why I said Archetype rework

by rework I mean remake EVERYTHING from the ground up

including thematic and gameplay

it just my take on archetype

never meant to replace the current archetype system

[vestal rivet]

cool cool

[jovial cosmos]

random thing also that i just noticed

But probably other people already noticed

There are butterflies inside the road to dern

[hybrid gazelle]

yeppp

[jovial cosmos]

and the queen's eye is purple-

so

[hybrid gazelle]

I think there are thematic overlap with Fruma and Dern

[jovial cosmos]

oh okay

[hybrid gazelle]

so likely they associate with one and another

also Fruma queen just like

have eyes motif all over her so like

"guess this animal"

[jovial cosmos]

THATS FAIR LOL

I thought it was like a moth

[hybrid gazelle]

nah it like

ltieral eyes LOL

[jovial cosmos]

No no like

[hybrid gazelle]

like girl please

[jovial cosmos]

how moths have eye-like structures on their wings

[hybrid gazelle]

you are not hiding it

[jovial cosmos]

oh thats a good point

Though honest question

One is dark, like dern beast

but the other is orange, like ophiron

I wonder whos influencing who

[hybrid gazelle]

my guess is that

since how much number 2 ahs been empahsis in Fruma marketting

and number 2 is known for being number of duality

it likely that Fruma expansion

will introduce us to the concept of Dark and LIght harmonize together

okay if you going to excuse my insane rambling

[jovial cosmos]

So basically... an alternate version of Realm of War

[hybrid gazelle]

because like this going to be mad talk

[jovial cosmos]

yeah?

[vestal rivet]

return of twilight lol
totally will happen

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so baiscally

BASICALLY

with how we know Dark and Light capable of giving life

basically shifting reality into their own image and rules

and how their byproduct also capable of reanimation thus giving life but not quite

I have a theory

that counterpart of corruption

this counterpart that exist from dark and light harmonize each other

is existence itself

Consider what we see about corruption

is that it hate existence

it filled with hatred

maybe this hatred come from the fact that corruption in itself is a failed, flawed force

that hate existence itself because it's something that it will never be

wait let me get ss of my rambling

essentially maybe Fruman queen trying to play god and working with Dern Beast in order to meddle with force that link to the existence itself

[jovial cosmos]

Think she's failing or succeeding?

[hybrid gazelle]

we know that colossi has some link to Light and Dark because they gone haywire at the moment of the portal open

we dont know that for sure

but consider Soosu golem

espically the dirt one

kinda closely resemble of TCC in a way that the yare created from natural materials

yet capable of movement

[jovial cosmos]

Oh that's a good point

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe they succeed in some degree

[jovial cosmos]

maybe they fail in others

there's always a price to pay when it comes to working with either of the beasts honestly

Lari knows first hand

[hybrid gazelle]

I THINK MY MOST SUSPICIOUS DETIAL ABOUT THE TRAILER IS LIKE

THIS THING

This thing in wartorn palace

[dense python]

spilling out its guts?

[hybrid gazelle]

because it's eerily similar to devils

reddish color and horn

liek this thing obvious not human

and yeah

it spilling its guts out

[jovial cosmos]

I wonder what it's spitting out

[vestal rivet]

y'know
it would be huge if some of the enemies were skinless devils in armor

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma might did find a way to weaponize corruption

[dense python]

half the palace is corrupted

but willingly

[hybrid gazelle]

I would not say half o the palace is corrupted

but maybe they manage to weaponize corruption in someway

[jovial cosmos]

the weird part is we didn't see any corruption spikes

[hybrid gazelle]

and unleash it onto the player as last resort

[jovial cosmos]

like

anywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

I can imagine like

fruma capture devils from wynn

transport htem to fruma somehow

and maybe experiment on them

that likely case

cause I dont think devils themselves need spike for survival

[vestal rivet]

skin them alive and fuse them with metal Urelix style

[dense python]

yeah probably, cuz i think we know corruption isnt in fruma naturally right

[hybrid gazelle]

they definitely not make to survive tho cause like

look at them

[jovial cosmos]

lowkey why has no one tried it

[hybrid gazelle]

no it's in wynn

that we know of at least

corruption portal is in wynn

[jovial cosmos]

that we know of its in wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

and corruption is not something you can easily meddle with

so likely just Fruma experiment in corruption

i Mean

they have inquistor everywhere in the world

or maybe they try to experiemnt with light and dark

accidentally created a devil

experiment them up and lock them away

Fruma queen definitely playing god

[jovial cosmos]

now that i think about it

is there anywhere else that there is undead?

aside from dead island which is itself

[hybrid gazelle]

do you count the oudated area?

[jovial cosmos]

really weird

[hybrid gazelle]

deadi sland is outdated area

ocean is outdated area

gavel is

gulp

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[jovial cosmos]

okay okay i get it

lol

[hybrid gazelle]

I still like to think tat dark and light might have something to do with existence itself

cause god IDK corrutpion hating existence

it weird how like

dark and light able to transform lifes to work in their own rule and way

while corruption straight up just kill it

it almost like corruption just failed creation of something

the creatures that it "created" are barely consider as alive

flesh melting of their skin and tearing each other apart

[paper wyvern]

Corruption does the same thing though but in a more unstable way

[hybrid gazelle]

,like heck consider how hulk die around nesaak

I would not even wonder that their metabolism is only thing that keep them moving that long

[hybrid gazelle]

no they only reanimate

never bring life

reanimation is not giving life

it more like puppeteering

objects that it reaimate barely even consider alive

it not like panic zealot

where it gain its own soul? or becoming its own creature

[paper wyvern]

It changes life to be like it

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah whichis dead

LOL

[paper wyvern]

I'm not saying it creates but it doesn't only affect the dead

[hybrid gazelle]

whta you mean

[paper wyvern]

Corrupted village

[hybrid gazelle]

ehhhh the thing is that

what we reemmber form what Orikal said

tbh that also oudated quest but I rather not use that as a crunch

so how I see it that

Corruption spike simply influence people when they are alive

this influence often result in aggresion and paranoid

which them keep incrasing as long as the indivudal stay in proximity of corruption

and hence you can see once you complete the quest

the effect of corruption cease, the people are back to normal

implying that the effect is reverstible

HOWEVER

I think the point where one could consider "corrupted"

would be after reanimation process

it likely these paranoid and aggression that corruption influenced people to be

is a method to get people to fight each other or make mistake that result in the end of their life

thus starting reanimation process

[paper wyvern]

there is notably one person who is corrupted who doesnt seem to have fully died though althoguh theres something more going on with bak'al so not a great example

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al and Theorick are different due to their circumstance compare to everyone else

both of these went into portal

and come back

they seemingly do not die

but turn insane by what beyond the portal and seems to shown to have effect similar to being expose to the spike but it almost like

it stuck with them constantly no matter what

by them I meant theorick

cause that the only one we see in full detail

I THINK in theory

if THeorick did not freeze himself back then

he probably becoming like Bak'al

I think Bak'al would be special case

where he never undergo reanimation process

because he stil alive

IDK it just

little info we have

[paper wyvern]

bak'al is a special cause also because it seems like he is working for dern beast as well

[hybrid gazelle]

but what is there hint for somethign special if you do go into portal

it probaly is

but like

theorick do get into portal and display similar sympton in a way?

maybe Bak'al able to overcome his voice?

unliek Theorick

or maybe he did not and that why he is massive asshole

who know

[paper wyvern]

yeah

im kinda hoping bak'al shows up in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

it would totally make sense tho that Bak'al is a fucking asshole because of constant voice inside his head

but I like my guy to be geniune asshole

Bak'al when he see defenseless farmer who has family of 4

Bak'al defintiely showing up in Fruma expansion

[paper wyvern]

yeah its specifically a continuation of RoL and SE storylines

if the player character wasnt a blank slate I would wonder if AHC was relevant

[candid cliff]

Bak'al is cool

[junior sphinx]

fruma lore dump: we're going back in time to the first thanksgiving, to get turkeys OFF the menu.

[smoky fjord]

Is there any stuff online that goes over the story of wynncraft so far? I am playing a new character rn, and having voices of wynn on helps me follow the story, but I will probably get lost at some point. Want to be able to go through Fruma all caught up

[hybrid gazelle]

I writing lore summary rn

But like that gonna take a while

[lavish knot]

Gonna work on making a the lore so far stream eventually

[smoky fjord]

Okay haha, no worries. I just did the ability reset quest, and remembered that Fruma like erases peoples memory and stuff and sends them to Wynn... but thats about all the lore I got

I am gonna keep going with voices of wynn, and paying attention to main story quests, hopefully that gets me enough to appreciate the story of Fruma

[lavish knot]

As someone who cant remember things that arent audio, VoW helps a lot

[vestal rivet]

As someone who's hearing impaired and reads really fast anyways, I never really felt the need for VoW

to each their own

[paper wyvern]

its really only the main story quests that are gonna relate back to fruma, however what is a main story quests vs sidequest isnt always obvious

[lone charm]

Although DaD and breaking point are not related to it

[clear scaffold]

VoW is just nice because voice acting being mostly decent works

[flat sandal]

facts 🙏

I'm one of the main writers for VoW

[regal walrus]

VoW plus new dialouge will prolly be peak

[opaque remnant]

Fr

[clear scaffold]

especially since the images will give some pointers as well

"how does the character say this?" just look at the picture and see their expression!

[abstract fiber]

Yep

[regal spire]

That’s right: we’re going back in time to the first thanksgiving to get TURKEYS. OFF. The MENU.

[digital swan]

wtf is getting put in place of turkeys

[slender copper]

Pizza.

[cold cove]

Corrupted apples

[regal spire]

Did you know? There is actually a huge selection of mammals to pull from for a holiday dinner. For example: Duck, Pig, Cow , Lamb, Goat, Elk, Moose, etc

[hexed nova]

Bear

[candid cliff]

Really

[regal spire]

Bear hard to hunt, and full of difficult to kill parasites

[hexed nova]

Gun and bleach

[regal spire]

You can’t eat those

[vestal rivet]

yes really

like actually being literal

I cannot hear the sound of most birds chirping

[chilly tulip]

Why does the SE have butterflies? Aren't they a Fruma specific thing

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure butterflies can exist else where

But we having butterflies definitely thematic connection

But we don’t know yet

[gloomy idol]

There are butterflies all over the world since rekindled world I think fruma was just that specific golden one

[vestal rivet]

it's the golden butterflies that were specific to Fruma

[regal spire]

That does sorta raise the question of why there are dark butterflies, though

SE doesn’t exactly seem to cater to that kind of life, besides cockroaches and such

[digital swan]

buttereyes

I see no problem with it

[acoustic ledge]

yo if I was interested in voicin a character for VoW where can I sign up?

[lone charm]

There are butterfly's in NoL for example

[candid cliff]

their discord

[acoustic ledge]

can u dm me the link

[candid cliff]

done

[regal spire]

You will voice: Troll. Of Troll Tower

[acoustic ledge]

If they let me I'd be down to voice anything

[regal spire]

That one dogun in the ultimate SD for CotL

[acoustic ledge]

What's sd

[regal spire]

Secwet Discovawy

[acoustic ledge]

Mmm I wanna voice a more crazy character

[regal spire]

One of the many cooky hobbits in the ultimate weapon

[lone charm]

Secwet :3

[candid cliff]

gregor is funny

[acoustic ledge]

But not chaotic

I can change my voices to like 5 or 6 different tones I wanna use my voice modulation range

[candid cliff]

showcase

[smoky fjord]

So does the king of wynn know that the soldiers they are getting are mind-wiped from Fruma? Or is he just like, hell yeah free soldiers, and doesn't question it

[hybrid gazelle]

The question whatever wynn people ever acknowledge Fruman recruits losing their memory kinda mostly unexplore in wynncraft sadly

so we dont really know if they really know or just do not really care

but from what we can guess

it likely that there some suspicious or at least mystery to why these new recruits does not seems to remember their home or their life back in Fruma

which certainly would spark some questions

[smoky fjord]

So it is probably that they don't want to question it and stop losing recruits, so they just go with the flow?

[hybrid gazelle]

but with no way of knowing, it likely these questions would slowly phase away and just left as "it is what it is" after spans of 100 years

probabl yyeah

it not like they cant do anything about it

[smoky fjord]

Gotcha, that was mainly my only question after the wynn story line at the beginning

I am excited to actually pay attention to RoL this time around

[edgy loom]

is there a lore reason why we can beat the parasite's little ass in the nol raid before we've removed the darkness influence from our soul in the journey beyond questline? it kinda felt like the whole hidden darkness element was smth made up just for that moment, but I'm wondering if there's actually lore ramifications

[vestal rivet]

light/dark elements are to be decanonized
AJB needs to be redone really

[shut hornet]

its because ajbs dark element thing is terrible bullshit made up solely for the quest progression and we are going to remove it

[vestal rivet]

same response, different tone lol

[edgy loom]

oh lol, well that could have genuinely lead to some hype moments. imagine the aura if the dern beast sends a darkness creature on some civilization and we're the only one who can fight back

[vestal rivet]

me when fallen already uses forces that are part-dark, or when shadestepper is thought to draw some power from the dark, or when LB uses so much light constantly that it realistically should've just purified itself well before that point by shear accident

[edgy loom]

it actually surprised me a while back to learn archetypes also weren't canon

I was genuinely looking forward to the corrupted explanation

[shut hornet]

i want to make all ability stuff canon in some way

[vestal rivet]

making the archetypes not canon is a little crazy to me
they affect so much of the game

[edgy loom]

this

[shut hornet]

its difficult though when the lore team has little contact with the AT

[edgy loom]

I thought we were past the wynn era of just making stuff up on the spot

[vestal rivet]

a lot of them have lore tie-ins already too

[edgy loom]

the problem is now having to reason how stuff like fallen even is possible right xd

[vestal rivet]

AJB was what, 6 years ago now?

[shut hornet]

in my ideal wynncraft, every gameplay mechanic - spells, abilities, potions - everything, is tied to lore in some way and has a diegetic existence

[edgy loom]

either the lore gets a rewrite (expansion?) or the archetypes get their names changed

[shut hornet]

i have some ideas for some stuff already just need to put it ingame

[edgy loom]

this should be the way

[vestal rivet]

stronger will = more powerful corrupted apparently
so having shear will in theory doesn't even work
next best thing I can think of is HK Colosseum of Fools style where fighters take a little bit of it in willingly like a stimulant

and just have high moderation

[chilly tulip]

Well people do know, the Lievgar archivist mentions how it’s common for Fruma recruits to look for info on it

I’m sure at least the leaders of Ragni have noticed and choose to not acknowledge it

[edgy loom]

oh the stronger will thing is something canon?

[vestal rivet]

last I checked it is

[edgy loom]

hmm with fallen the problem is that you can just kinda uncorrupt yourself

[vestal rivet]

stuff changes though and it def feels like older lore

[edgy loom]

maybe if it was darkness instead of corruption?

[vestal rivet]

idk my headcanon was that the Fallen was an order that recruited soldiers who were just beginning to fall to the corruption, and send them on suicide missions as a last hoorah
anything past that whatever usually

[edgy loom]

that sounds cool but I feel like the healing is a big part of fallen

so these soldiers are able to come back from the brink of death on a whim

[shut hornet]

the way i view classes is like. each of them is a different like, Art. a different way of wielding magic to cast spells. and beneath each art are various niches and techniques, of which only 3 are available to the player, but theres a lot more possibility out there on top of those

Bob learned 4 different arts

[edgy loom]

this is the impression I feel like we all get

slykaar for example was a shaman, and as explained in his quest, shamans use life force for magic

this is perfectly represented in the actual shaman class, specially with acolyte

so I just think it's crazy none of this stuff is canon as of rn

[shut hornet]

the archetypes themselves would have to go into more specific lore. some are fine but then there are ones like Fallen which demand an explanation

i kind of wish salted just went for his original idea with fallen where its called berserker and the rage state is triggered by getting drunk (as shown on the Making of the Ability Tree thread from a couple years back) but i guess the aesthetics of corruption were just cooler

[edgy loom]

don't get me wrong, fallen using literal corruption as a weapon is the edgiest coolest thing ever I wouldn't want it any other way

it's just... cool

so in a way I'm glad it's not bound by logistics and lore

but on the other hand it sucks that we don't have any explanation for it, so I'm conflicted

[shut hornet]

i guess if i were to try explaining fallen it would be like.. the rage state is more a corruption of your mind than of your body. think of what happened to the corrupted villagers, or the player turning against their allies in the nether pvp mode back in the day. its not so much a physical corruption but you are using chaos magic to inflict that on your mind. and you also use chaos magic to assist with other spells. its like youre wielding a controlled form of corruption

dont take that as canon thats just my idea

[edgy loom]

I think I see the vision

[shut hornet]

another example of corruption of the mind is when theorick speaks in red bold text after entering the portal

though he is physically corrupted there too

[edgy loom]

in my head with fallen you don't get any more "corrupted" than what you were at the start. the meter going up just means your bloodlust is increasing, you're losing focus and your mind slipping, but at the same time that rage fuels your strength

[shut hornet]

it brings out the worst in you pretty much

[edgy loom]

what about the corrupted village?

I haven't done that in a while

I believe the villagers were uncorrupted, but the presence of the corruption nearby made them more aggressive

[shut hornet]

they were not physically corrupted but the force of corruption basically acted on their minds and made them aggressive yeah

skiens island might be another example of this kind of non physical and more mentally acting corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

Skien and his hater ghost

mf travel all the way to the ocean

[dry aspen]

My idea for fallen is that corruption has a hold of you and is trying to infect you. The fallen character is in a state of constant fighting with said corruption, and Bakal's Grasp is the character letting the corruption take hold just a little bit more than usual. But they cannot let it fully take hold of them lest they become fully corrupted

[opaque remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/perfectly-balanced-thanos-infinity-war-gif-13078930

[unique jungle]

corrupted village the goat

aside from the mobs which are challenging but

[hybrid gazelle]

I think what the most confusing part of corrupted village

is that the villagers seemingly just not aware of the spike

I though by like

the year 1000 AP people would at least know what the spike does consider Root of Corruption has many of them

feel like some connection should be there already

[primal mauve]

explain what happens at 100% corrupted then

[opaque remnant]

Uh probably then you ded and zombie

[dry aspen]

I'd say that 100% would be that the fallen is at the brink of the event horizon in that case, reaching their limit mentally I mean. But this is not meant to be 100% imperically correct, it's jsut a headcanon

[candid cliff]

I want to send something so bad here but I probably cant

[edgy loom]

the lore team watching the AT team make the archetypes

[amber reef]

so.
Bob is a part of the Twain house?

[hybrid gazelle]

no?

by the time he arrive

the group already disband LOL

the group literally disband before he even born

[amber reef]

They went separate ways, but they still were Twains

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah ofc that like their last name

but group as a whole is disband and pretty mcuh long dead

[amber reef]

ye

[hybrid gazelle]

their house is pretty muc habanoned

soit literally like no Bob is never part of the twain

[solar ingot]

true

bob was never with the twains, just with mael i think

[amber reef]

ye

[glass acorn]

i wish we could hug Mael

[amber reef]

we could bring treats to Mael's

general location

[chilly tulip]

Do you think Mael was always good at archery

Or was it just something he picked up after the others left

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know

[chilly tulip]

Because he didn’t have a bow or anything from what we’ve seen in Twain content outside of the library, so did all the Twains have a secondary weapon of some sort?

Theorick had a staff at least, maybe the others had a spear or dagger

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think mage are limited to wand in the universe

[chilly tulip]

Theorick was really calling Mael useless when he was apparently the best archer of all time

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean Mael entire thing is that he commune with the dead

Which is a skill that Theorick personally see useless because in comparison of his power over ice

And otjer sibling power over elements

Mael communicating with the dead probably view as useless during the time

Even if he can do archery

The Twain are probably well known for their magic

Do Theorick likely only judge Mael for his proficient magic

[clear scaffold]

theorick both saw it as useless but achknowledged making his job harder was a bad idea

[opaque remnant]

Anyone have a detailed description of the Corkian Electromagic?

[latent gorge]

Hey guys, im curious, what quests are relevant to the lore & really worth reading again if on a 2nd playthrough, if y'all happen to have a list

[dreamy widget]

General answer is all the dark green quests

[lone charm]

Detailed? Not me, but I can give a general rundown if that helps.

From what we know Corkian electromagic is not unique to them, but they have a specific affinity for it, likely as they hail from the industrial district in fruma. It is also just a subset of general magic, this being themed around the thunder element. This also means it's isn't impossible for them to use other magics, but they don't come as naturally.

Electromagic is how they have managed to create, and power their robots and machines. We know it is used in creation, and to keep them going.

(If I got anything wrong, feel free to correct me!)

[opaque remnant]

Thanks!

[tacit mural]

Is Aledar meant to be as strong or relative to Tasim in the trailer? Cuz im ngl Aledar looked pathetic in the AJB quests

[shut mist]

Guys what if tasim knows aledars dead cuz of the bartender in detlas

[regal spire]

AJB needs a rewrite fr

[shut mist]

He got dialogue if we did ajf

[bleak hedge]

I mean, the two of them canonically work together to achieve all the things the player does, so they have to be at least close by AJB

[tacit mural]

AJB just felt like I was carrying 3 silvers in bedwars im ngl

[tacit mural]

Don’t they split off quite early on?

Like is the implications of AJB that player character was just lucky they weren’t targeted by the denizens of SE and that it could’ve been any of the 4 to sacrifice one person

Or is the player character actually just that much more capable than all of them

[bleak hedge]

Them fighting you together in the AHC timelines implies they party up again at some point, and I think they do anyway for one or two quests

[bleak hedge]

That’s my understanding. Like the whole thing with AHC was that the player IS an extreme talent, but that they could have just been unlucky and died early

[tacit mural]

Mmm fair enough. Ig it’s a bit difficult showing extreme feats when you’re limited to block game

[bleak hedge]

Yeah… Twain nuked a third of Wynn somewhere in the 50-60 range 🥵

[tacit mural]

Yeah that is true, but then you can farm him in his dungeon and he just doesnt seem all that powerful pffft

But yeah suspension of disbelief cuz videogame mechanics

[bleak hedge]

One can only imagine where Orpheon, etc. scales narratively

[tacit mural]

I think Orpheon, Anni, Dernbeast, EO, and TNA are probably relative

Then below them would be Bakal, Bob, and maaaybe Lari

And player would probably be somewhere between the two

[unborn sage]

In many ways the player is similar to other characters in universe of lvl100

[clear scaffold]

lari is defintely bak'al level

bob is above bak'al

[unborn sage]

There is simply one distinction, which is that they seem to be too angry to die.

[clear scaffold]

the player is only really bak'al level around the time they fight the eye

[tacit mural]

Kratos ahh

[clear scaffold]

i think people forget lari is pretty strong when she's actually in a killing mode.

[tacit mural]

Then Tasim and the 3 others are probably what 2 steps below Bakal and lari?

[clear scaffold]

yeah, but that might be lack of content

[tacit mural]

Yeah true

[unborn sage]

While the events of Beyond The Grave aren’t canon, the characters in them seem to be, if the fact that the “Death” in TOA is actively referred to as an impostor of the real deal

[clear scaffold]

although tasim looking at fruma trailer could probably fight the player effectively

[tacit mural]

It could be established in fruma that Tasim is relative to player

[unborn sage]

From there we can extrapolate that the player does seemingly just… tank the cold hand of death. (Frequently, if my lootruns are anything to go by)

[clear scaffold]

the player canonically does survive two near death encounters

[tacit mural]

Mm yeah player doing death defying stuff is pretty unique

[clear scaffold]

(i refuse to count roads to peace)

[unborn sage]

roads to peace isn’t a near death encounter the villagers are just bigots ICANT

[clear scaffold]

Lari does nearly kill the player in canon had the tree not got involved.
And the eye outright does nearly put the player at the point of death

[tacit mural]

Maybe cursed awakened tasim gives him enough boost to contend with Bakal

[clear scaffold]

and i can't tell if it intentionally did that or unintentionally

[unborn sage]

Hypothetically, every “adventurer” character in the setting can, if the process of death portrayed in the mostly noncanon BTG exists in SOME fashion in the universe proper

[bleak hedge]

When does the eye do that?

[clear scaffold]

fantastic voyage

you take a side passage that might of got you past SE in to dern.. Eye notices that and punishes you and the other guy. And you teleport to detlas mine with like 1% of your health left

[unborn sage]

As long as their soul can reach the realm of the dead it can be reincarnated, so goes the quest…

[clear scaffold]

that logic is still stupid

[unborn sage]

The only way to keep a particularly strong one down - of the Player’s strength or higher, would be to trap or bind the soul. Which is a worrying prospect, and is probably why the Gavellian government banned it.

[tacit mural]

I hope we get actual cutscenes in-game but I feel like we’ll just get lari vs parasite again

[bleak hedge]

I mean the new animations look fucking sick

[tacit mural]

You mean the trailer animation with tasim?

[unborn sage]

G-d, I hope they managed to make a tenth of that ingame.

To be fair, they did, it’s the Orpheon intro.

Just… more of it.

[tacit mural]

Like the fruma enemy animations look awesome but idk, tasim’s trailer fight might just be in block bench

[unborn sage]

I should learn how to use blockbench again.

[bleak hedge]

Nah the new animations for spells and shit

All the stuff that’s currently being done with particles

[tacit mural]

Oh yeah, those are sick

[dry aspen]

yeah, the new atk vfx are super cool looking

[vestal rivet]

*most of it
smoke bomb still uses particles to show its reach even though the bomb part itself has a new model, for example

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh lore summary is still difficult Becuase si am not sure which detail to leave out or not

I probably need to shift some section around

[slim belfry]

I think with a world this broad and in depth you'd have to section by region then time

like history of Ragni or something then history of Detlas

ugh that's also gonna be pretty long though

probably storylines then

[hybrid gazelle]

those things are too small and little information to base on their own information

[slim belfry]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

i only sepeate from era base now

also entire thign ben rewrite cause I have a new direction

[edgy loom]

one thing that shocked me when replaying the game is that that one quest where you go to the realm of death was... reworked

the gameplay changed to be a quizz show

yet the lore of dying and going to some death dimension is still there

so... this stuff is canon? it's not getting a rework?

deaths are canon??

[hybrid gazelle]

If it’s the game then yes it sadly is canon

Since nothing contradict it

[edgy loom]

can we consider it not canon on the sense nothing contradicts it, but logically it makes no damn sense

tf you mean people can be revived by killing the thing that killed them... what??

[hybrid gazelle]

Up to one interpretation

[edgy loom]

what if they die to a natural disaster

so nobody actually dies?

they just go to the death realm?

[steep forum]

Simply scale above nature level and kill the concept of a natural disaster

[edgy loom]

and can be revived as many times as they want??

remove that damn death quest from the game

instead we get an old man martyn quest

turns out every time we "died" he was rewinding us back

boom fixed the lore

and old man martyn is a chad

[hybrid gazelle]

Sure

[steep forum]

Removing one of the top 5 funniest quests is so no bueno

Even if its lore is ""somewhat"" headache inducing

[edgy loom]

just change the text to say death was feeling lonely and personally warped us there

[steep forum]

Anyways a summary of all wynn lore sounds kind of horrifying outside of providing a shortened timeline of some kind

What are you definitely including?

[unborn sage]

I just consider it canon in the sense that it explains the respawn mechanic

Mainly because it provides a reason the player is able to fix everyone’s problems; they are simply too [blank] to die

I like to fill in that blank with “angry” but it’s your choice

[edgy loom]

what do the lore people think the 2nd sovereign is

it seems to point to the player being them

but that would have some logistics issues after we were deported from fruma

[lone charm]

It's definitely not the player

Like 100%

The mirror has nothing to do with them

Technically it could be hinting at it being tasim, but I think this highly unlikely.

Just because i feel it's doesn't make sense/fit story wise

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim being soverign would be weird because soverign as a role meant to govern

so it literally would take time to become one and even then like

and even then the hint for the second soverign just feel more dern-related

[opaque remnant]

Tasim was literally living in Espren before being sent to Wynn, I doubt he was ever a sovereign.

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

and even if he become one at the end of the story

the way that specific soverign being promoted is just weird

because they way they said it feel like

that soverign already exist

[lavish knot]

I personally am 100% happy whether second sovereign is or isn't the player
I'm a lil iffy on how Tasim would have been the second sovereign to begin with (though him getting into the ranks is possible)

Could possibly be that the second sovereign rebelled against the queen and hence was "lost"
Either thrown or turned into the mirror, or is the player after the memory wipe

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like Tasim definitely set up to be brainwash and turn against hte player

[hybrid gazelle]

that could work

but the hidden message is like

VERY DERNIC

kinda scarily so

[slim belfry]

yeah before the trailer I was thinking what if player under the queen's order has to fight a rebelling tasim

[slim belfry]

but it being the other way around based on what we know and saw makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

also the icon being sramble yet we can see like

ton of purple shit

it clearly not human

like even more than Gikyo

[lavish knot]

We were personally being invited and based on the website's info, prolly stayed at the castle for a bit

[hybrid gazelle]

but consider how the leaves in the wind is in auburn

and snippet of screenshot

it could very likely that somewhere along the way we wander out of Fruma's sight

[mossy badge]

Why does the queen invite ppl just for them to roam through her land, is she stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

and probably met with the leaves

it likely part of a larger plan but we dont know anything yet

but we know fors ure that whatever this plan is

[hybrid gazelle]

it contribute to fixing the issue of recruit program no longer suited to fix the corruption proble min WYnn

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

maybe during tournament, the leaves asve us?

[slim belfry]

a tournament? 😮

[hybrid gazelle]

like anything could happen with that set up

[mossy badge]

Well the site also says you're the invader and thats how she sees u

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that refer to our defaction from Fruma

[mossy badge]

Hunger games 🔥

[lavish knot]

We were in the queen's good graces at first, but then the leaves showed up and pick us up

[mossy badge]

Every1 focus tasim 🤯

[slim belfry]

hunger games in minecraft? a tale as old as time...

[lavish knot]

Man that takes me back

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh hear me out

so we are fruman recrutis invite into Fruma

along with Tasim

and other new characters that we never met

with similar background where they are fruman recruits

we got put into torunament

the leaves manage to rescue us in time along with Taism while the rest die in the tournament

onward we would then start from Auburn forest

being on the run

[lavish knot]

Mmm that's what I have in mind

[fallow thistle]

Oh my god, if this ends with us killing Tasim too, then we're officially the worst quest partner ever.

Going 2:0 on our fellow fruman friends would surely be something.

[lavish knot]

When's the player crashout

[fallow thistle]

After the recent trailer I would'nt put it past the content team to just give us some aura farming moments.
We've been solo leveling after all.

[clear scaffold]

eh i'd love for since we've just beaten the eye this is where the fights get serious and the player's not always having their badass moments

(i'm kinda sick of the player only having a couple moments where they get beaten to hell)

[slender copper]

Tbh Aledar very much willingly sacrificed himself for us to go defeat the eye, the way you worded it sounds like the player wasn't trying to help at all.

[hybrid gazelle]

II dont think Tasim going to die

but again depend on the narrative

but I highly dbout Tasim dying

we heavily lacking in character that we developed deep bond with and still survive

[merry steppe]

i'm gonna be honest, I don't know much about the lore post level 75, but what are the odds that the player is one of the sovereigns who intentionally had their memories wiped to infiltrate, and that's why in the recalling the past quest we had a strange blocker and the orb exploded?

i say that, because from the discussion forums, we don't really know who the 1st and 2nd sovereign are.

[slender copper]

I would assume you mean in main quest/side quests? Yeah I believe only in All Roads to Peace, the Canary Calls, Misadventures on the Sea, and I guess Redbeard's booty??

[hybrid gazelle]

the problem with this theory is that

you are putting soverign

your governor

[fallow thistle]

Because he was dying anyway. Don't forget, ||we we're invited as the sacrifice to that quest. He even said, that we we're perfect for it since we had no relations and no loved ones.||

[hybrid gazelle]

in a position where they literally could die and Fruma would have no way of helping them

[clear scaffold]

i refuse to count the knock out quests because holy hell the player has the weakest head.

[hybrid gazelle]

so it kinda feel like a dumb plan that only work by sheer luck LOL

even then what player even suppose to infilitrate

inquistor exist

[clear scaffold]

In moments where the player does outright nearly die in a understandable way. there is two

[hybrid gazelle]

so it kinda redundant for the player to be this infiliterator

[clear scaffold]

Fantastic voyage where the eye nearly kills the player. And then Lari does nearly kill the player in that fight

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

player did fight parasite, TCC, Garaheth, and more

[slender copper]

Yeah it's really funny lol, we canonically have brain damage.

[hybrid gazelle]

sso it not like we have bad record here lOL

[steep forum]

btw

four? orcs are enough to knock a player out cold

[clear scaffold]

i've killed hundred's of orc's and four nearly kill me

[steep forum]

one player can hypothetically solo orphion if the rest die

four orcs > orphion

well, the parasite and orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

player getting badly beaten bound to happen to allow story to happen

it is what it is

[clear scaffold]

but yeah, TCC you do go in a group. Garaheth you got eaten. The eye is strong. The parasite is strong but it's honestly not that big of a threat directly?

[hybrid gazelle]

if player can march down to centerworld fortress and kill everyone

all road to peace would not happen at all LOL

[clear scaffold]

like the parasite's strong but i'd say it's weaker than a lot of fights you have

[steep forum]

well yeah if the player were allowed to kill any npc then wynn would have much less of a story

[hybrid gazelle]

player being in group is not canon tho

[merry steppe]

that is true, but the sovereigns seem to all be pretty strong and the 2nd seems to have a connection to spies/spying, so they may have decided it best to infiltrate themselves or have sent off the 1st to infiltrate in hopes of moving up?

[clear scaffold]

no it is.

The raids it is the player with a group.. Of arguably mercenaries

you could make the argument the player's the only survivor

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like "you have to get other people to help you" for raid and dungeon is gameplay dialogue

rather than being in lore

it like Ragni king saying wynncraft map website

[clear scaffold]

to be fair soloin orphion even in a not killing him way is a bit too far

[slender copper]

Wasn't denying that, ||but Aledar seemed to have not wanted us to be the sacrifice (he also wasn't the one picking), but was admiring how we would be a good one.||

[hybrid gazelle]

and getting other people into ROL and do NOL

[merry steppe]

plus the whole respec thing from recalling the past seems to be flavored as recalling "past" skills to change build, which could be explained by being a sovereign who was exceptionally skilled, and is relearning/remembering past skills as we progress.

[hybrid gazelle]

is kinda weird

so I think at best just say player solo shit

and that it

[clear scaffold]

no because then it makes it sound like the player is god level or close to it

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but that the thing
soverigns suppose to manage and govern

if them out in the field normally then it kinda ruin the point

of being soverign

[clear scaffold]

a player soloing the orphion is a lot less realistic than the player hiring a few mercenaries to help out

[hybrid gazelle]

unless it THAT important

and even then

memory wipe your soverign and send them into this "undercover" mission

does not sound like a smart plan???

when again

inquistors exist

that shit is like sending a general to fight couple of thieves while giving them a brain damage

[whole river]

Wouldn’t make much sense since every raid implies you need others of your similar power

[hybrid gazelle]

like I said I feel like that more of gameplay dialogue

similar to Ragni king telling you wynncraft website

like at best

[whole river]

also fruma reports imply that all the recruits are progressing normally too so the player isn’t a notable exception from others

[hybrid gazelle]

TCC have Ineos and Rhay back you up

[whole river]

Nah that’s different cmon now

[merry steppe]

ah, but if the 2nd is related to infiltration and spying, they are likely an undercover/behind the scenes type of person who people may not know the true identity of. it would be possible for them to put a mouthpiece in place who runs things for them while they're away or undercover meaning they could infiltrate while the "2nd sovereign" never left.

[whole river]

lari doesn’t go “you must /partyfinder and get others to help”

[fallow thistle]

Are the raids genuinely cannon? How do we explain that we killed TNA like 40 Times?

[whole river]

They are canon

Fruma knows the decay stopped just not how

[fallow thistle]

Though I'd love that. Lari would be the best for a nice passive agressive fourth wall break.

[lavish knot]

I'd wanna see how the other sovereigns feel about second

[fallow thistle]

But how do we explain that others join us in the Realm of Light? Aren't we supposed to be the new chosen that has the ability to enter?

[clear scaffold]

maybe you just get less hostile light creatures to join. Doesn't help a lot of raid rooms require multiple people to even do

[whole river]

My meme answer is the player just non verbally harassing powerful people to go to the portal, but lowkey I didn’t consider recruiting non humans as well

[lavish knot]

Lari did suggest to the player to get help from others to save Orphion

Wait I reread the text, yeah that's a good question-

[clear scaffold]

it's defintely not the player soloing though

[hybrid gazelle]

At best just other light entities help us

cause IDK how it would work if it just

some random ass mercs just accept the job like

yeah sure man I will fucking fight giant stone robot

[lavish knot]

"Hey wanna fight the entity of light? We have treasure."

[hybrid gazelle]

At best in TCC, Inoes, Rhay, and other elders help us

[clear scaffold]

NOTG is defintely just hiring mercenaries

TNA i could see some actual soldiers reaching lutho and helping out