📚lore_discussion

[candid cliff]

it's not that bad, just a bit empty

just fill it with more events

[stoic dock]

ah fair

honestly i was scared i was gonna have to 1v1 Dullahan lol

[candid cliff]

then dullahan is sick for another 200 years and then he's in the castle for another 200 years lol

like bruh

[stoic dock]

i mean him being stuck there for 200 maks more sense

[candid cliff]

could be 50/50 for me

mostly just his ability to control spirits makes me sceptic on it

such a horrible person

idk why but it made me laugh

i think it's because there's all these important events and then it's just bakal killing a random farmer

[slim belfry]

no survivors means no survivors I guess

[warm flicker]

so far as we know, in the timeline this is the first appearance of Bakal. Imagine, he is created by the Corruption portal opening, does nothing for 162 years, kills one random farmer, and disappears for another 100 or so years

[candid cliff]

for 300 years I think

Destruction of Akias is his next event and it's 400 something AP I think?

347 AP

So 162 > 347

[digital swan]

24 hrs is just unreasonable either the Corruption is especially incompetent for a zombie apocalypse or some of the towns have been besieged without food and with constant losses from fighting for >80 times the length of WW2

[limber mirage]

is there anything not in the wiki timeline thats confirmed about the lore other than from the fruma arg

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think so

[candid fox]

fruma

[fresh sail]

Question that I never quite understood:

If Darkness’s pure influence creates abstract chaos as seen in the Silent Expanse, then why does the Darkness in Gavel simply just… decay the Forest of Light?

Is it because the Parasite is simply killing the light through Orphion? Or is the Parasite the source of Decay, while the Parasite itself is born of Darkness?

[shut hornet]

the decay is not darkness, rather, the absence of light

-# which in real life is darkness but that logic doesnt apply here

[fresh sail]

Gotcha

[vestal rivet]

so the Envoys that showed up in Detlas
they are the first official contact from Fruma since that one time Ragni got sent a diplomat or something right?

[warm flicker]

is fruma under the impression Wynn has a single ruler like Fruma does? Are they aware of the pretty decentralized nature that is Wynn?

i mean yeah of course they are just a weird thing to say in Detlas, one of the few places in Wynn without a monarchy

probably referring to the Ragni King

[vestal rivet]

they are most likely well-aware of Wynn's political situation

still, Detlas is THE trading city, in a central location, and gets the most traffic out of any town or city in Wynn
so Detlas still makes the most sense for this kind of message

[digital swan]

why is there an extra "that" in this

[vestal rivet]

"that" specifying the logic of "here" instead of just referring to logic in general
with "here" being the Wynncraft universe

[digital swan]

yeah but logic doesn't apply in the wynncraft universe

the "that" is extraneous

[slim belfry]

I like to think that light and dark are more like substances

fill a place with light or dark

drain the light and it doesnt leave dark but instead a vacuum influence like the void I guess

although this still leaves room for dark creatures to invade despite not being warped by darkness

[vestal rivet]

Wynncraft has it's own logic at times
so I think it is still correct

[chilly tulip]

I hat is this from

Are there new NPCs somewhere

[candid fox]

new npc in detlas

[chilly tulip]

Oh sick

[cold wharf]

When did they show up?

[candid cliff]

tommorow

when the announcement was made about the trailer I think. only in newer servers, there wasn't a full reset

[buoyant depot]

what a slacker

[buoyant depot]

wait a minute. does detlas have a mayor? something else?

[slim belfry]

now that you mention it maybe?

[buoyant depot]

ragni: king
alekin: mayor

detlas: ❓

nemract: ❓

tempo town: mayor

selchar: ❓

elkurn: ❓

almuj: mayor
rymek: mayor
nesaak: mayor
troms: king

llevigar: ❓

olux: mayor

gelibord: ❓

lexdale: mayor
cinfras: unspecified democracy
aldorei: six gerontocratic elders
thanos: king
the hive: mistress
thesead: mayor
eltom: mayor
corkus city: democratic council
avos york city: chief
rodoroc: king
maex: chieftain
kandon-beda: general

ahmsord: ❓

lutho: delusions
fruma: queen

[noble phoenix]

detlas = Admiral Aegis ?

[buoyant depot]

that… would make sense

[noble phoenix]

maybe captain ragon

idk if captain or admiral is the best in english

[buoyant depot]

admiral is

[hybrid gazelle]

Admiral is

[buoyant depot]

i wasnt able to find actual confirmation that the military/barracks manage detlas (not that i looked very hard)

but aegis makes the most sense

[hybrid gazelle]

also

what you all even talking about

[noble phoenix]

since its a trade city , its a council of Aegis, aledar and tasim

[buoyant depot]

fruma envoys arrived in detlas this morning, mentioning that they were here to speak with our king

probably the king of ragni

but then people wondered who was the leader of detlas, since those people… are in detlas, and not ragni

[noble phoenix]

"those people"

[buoyant depot]

fr*mans

[noble phoenix]

wynncraft racism lore

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly

I just gonna throw my own thought into the ring

and saying that

since Fruma is literally a tyrant ciivlization

that also isolationist

it likely that simply only recongize as Ragni king being king of Wynn or "your king" because they only consider him in the equation

and other cities that use different govern system is not under their consideration

so in their perspective, Ragni king ruled Wynn province

[heavy trellis]

Is it possible that the king of Ragni is also ruler of Detlas? Historically a king would have had lords who ruled their own lands but who swore fealty to the king.

[buoyant depot]

yep, someone had the same idea

[heavy trellis]

That is also a very logical point

[hybrid gazelle]

Ragni king only refer as king of Ragni

not Detlas or WYnn

just RAGNI

i like this narrative better

becuase it give Fruma more condensing tone toward Wynn

so it clear that Fruma is not really an allies to Wynn

more of using Wynn as a tool or meat shield against corruption

[heavy trellis]

So, the king of Ragni does not have authority over the other cities, but he and the other cities do have a very strong alliance against the corruption, obviously.

[heavy trellis]

That is a very good read, honestly.

Makes sense that that's where they banish their "problem people"

[buoyant depot]

🇦🇺

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH consider how wynn is

I would even say king only being figure head

while millitary leaders make important decision

consider how we later learn that Troms do have general with general Eveni

it likely Ragni also have the same

[woeful plume]

there is something about the creation of the silent expanse that i don't understand

in the secret of aldorei, we're told that the portal to the realm of war and the portal to dern opened as a chain reaction to the opening of the portal to the realm of light

but at least 800 years before that, the area that is now the silent expanse was corrupted by darkness because of creatures that came out of the portal of dern

how was dern's portal open before the opening of the light realm's gate?

if it had happened at the same time, it would have made sense. but the crystals that were found by miners after the olm hid them there were found 800BP

[hybrid gazelle]

good uqestion

dont know

also the crystal thing is a filler

it just there for the sake of being there

[mossy badge]

Plothole in the wynncraft story?! 🙀

[woeful plume]

doesn't matter. it's still part of the story

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah extactly I cant really tell you its purpose when the people who put it there does not really has purpose to it

it just product of its time

[woeful plume]

it's not necessarily about the crystals though, it's about dern

[hybrid gazelle]

the nDIK lmao they dont really explain this part of the lore

[woeful plume]

i think they should fix this tbh, if they changed the "800BP" to "0AP" it would be fine

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I think a CT did mention the date to be a bit of a bonker

it is what it is

even being relatively recent expansion

writing quality during SE time still

a lot to be desire

[woeful plume]

CT? bonker?

[mossy badge]

No way right

[woeful plume]

english is not my first language so i am not always up to date with slang like "bonker", which could mean a variety of things. i've also only been playing wynn for a little while and don't know all of the developers. you come across as hostile

[hybrid gazelle]

CT as in Content Team

[woeful plume]

i see, thanks

i thought CT was like a username or something

[hybrid gazelle]

bonker as in like

it pretty odd

Wynncraft timeline is not really the best

that why I try to omit it in my lore summary that still in the work rn

[regal spire]

Bonker’s Bad Fur Day

[woeful plume]

but yeah, i think if the invasion of the silent expanse is changed to 0AP and the discovery of the crystals in wynn to a little further into the future, the plothole would resolve itself

[regal spire]

The Time Valley SD has one of the Olm come back to life for a second to mention how they’ve ruined this part of the world, and they’ve got no choice but to go to “The Expanse”. Something about this wording is making me think that, like Gavel and Light, SE was influenced by Darkness before the portal opened.

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

So it like

Idk man maybe we will get more info about it

But of rn it just a weird thing in the story thst we don’t know about

But consider the Light Forest exist before the portal

It likely that the other realm always have access to the plane of physicality before the portal opening

My theory is that

Before the openning

There is not really a way for Dern and light to access one and another unless they face head on each other which result in realm of war

So they can’t really extactly reach one and another

However

They able to access to the plane of physicality at anytime

And spread their influence there

And what happen when the portal open is that

It prettr much force the gate of each realm to open

Which then allow either side to use the plane of physicality as proxy to directly entire their opposing realm

So the Equinox must happen in order for Dern to use plane of physicality as proxy to enter Light

So the portal openning is not necessary an event where both plane of physicality and influence can interact with one and another

It more of an event that force all the realm to open up even without the will of respective beast

Hence why realm of war was open up and let corruption out

Because it was force open by the event of Equinox

So maybe whatever happen before portal was Dern doing the prep work

To ensure the Equinox would benefit it the most

[regal spire]

This seemed to be what AS part 2 was alluding to, but this raises the question on the Olm’s connection to Dern, and how much of the Olmic city was there, and how much of SE was like what we know it now as

[woeful plume]

that seems to be canon, but it doesn't line up with the opening of the light portal and the war portal

oh wait hold on, i misread

that could be the case, considering the light forest and orphion's connection to the elves existed before the portal was forced open... but then what is that thing about olm being taken into the realm of dern about?

[hybrid gazelle]

Here is a rough diagram

[hybrid gazelle]

Porbably play a part in Dern beast plan in the war

I have a theory is that whenever Dern beast did with the olms it capture

TNA likely the result of that

TNA has many evidence suggest it might has olmic origin

And what TNA did as it indirectly helping Dern through relocating the portal with its ability

It likely that TNA is the prep work in order for Dern beast to gain an advantage in the early by simply make its portal entrance harder to access compared to to the Light

[woeful plume]

i feel like both readings could work here if the actual invasion of dernites proper happened at AP0

but the olm did know of the dern beast before, since they also knew about the light

[hybrid gazelle]

Hashing entire invasion of Dern happening at 0 AP mean a lot of stuff need to be shift and push to thst time

[woeful plume]

it's possible that they originated from wynn and spread out from time valley prior to the subjugation of SE, but that the expanse itself wasn't exactly a location the olm felt comfortable with, so very few moved there before the messing with the runes made time valley be so awful to live in

[hybrid gazelle]

Like discovery of SE by the miners

The eyes being placed at EO

[woeful plume]

after that, they moved to the SE some time before the opening of the portal, and THEN dern invaded

[woeful plume]

the eye being placed at EO happened centuries AP

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t remember when the eye placed by Bak’al actually

[woeful plume]

the only thing that would need to change is the discovery by humans, but the date for that is only mentioned in one secret discovery, and it's not the one in wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

Ehh I feel like moving the timeline to 0 AP would

Also result in the need of shifting thing

Like more than one would expected

[woeful plume]

i'm not so sure... because i did go through all olm/SE related secrets and cutscenes

[hybrid gazelle]

Also it would kinda imply

The ancient city was build during the time human settle in the jungle

If the olms did takebbin 0AP

[woeful plume]

things like the time valley settlement and olmic settlement elsewhere will remain the same!

[hybrid gazelle]

What about ancient city

[woeful plume]

it's just that the total ruination of the SE would happen at 0AP

[woeful plume]

they didn't give an exact time as to when the ancient city was built, right? it was only after the invasion by dern

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but the fact that you said after invasion by Dern

Imply that the ancient city likely build after 0 AP

Which then mean the olms exist alongside Troms kingdom in Dernel Jungle

Along with the iboju tribes

[woeful plume]

but olms did live alongside humans after AP, no? bob's mom is olmic

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but those are individual

Not a whole ass civilization

Bob’s mom supposed to a reman inning survivor

And the fact she is not utterly insane imply she is not part of the batch that was taken by Dern

[woeful plume]

there were a few remnants of the olmic civilisation in the jungle, not all of them

[hybrid gazelle]

But the ancient city imply that it was made by those who survive Dern

So like

Does that mean there entire olmic civilization exist alongside Troms somehow and this is never mentioned?

At least individually, the olms can be pass off as odd human

But an entire civilization of them building a grand city?

And this never exist in any record?

[woeful plume]

troms existed before AP too

meaning that in either scenario, tromsians were living alongside the olm anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

I think

You don’t really see the issue

[woeful plume]

i don't, because there isn't one

[hybrid gazelle]

Well that admirable outlook at least

[woeful plume]

the part where the few olm lived was very densely forested and dangerous to traverse and the olm were paranoid. the tromsians in the early days AP might have known, but considering all those olmic people perished, tromsians by 1000AP wouldn't have known anything

[hybrid gazelle]

Sure I guess

Whatever I take to fix this goddam timeline sure

[woeful plume]

there's also the fact that tromsian local government is a tad corrupt considering they are in cahoots with wynnex. it is not farfetched to say that any records of the olm existing may have been sealed away from the public

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah sure

Why not

[candid cliff]

I was wondering since a few years, what is this thing near Ternaves? There's even an exit in the garden but I couldn't find an entrance. A remnant of the past?

[hybrid gazelle]

Just something the builder built and probably has no time to expand on

Little info we known about that place

That pretty much it

[candid cliff]

Ic

[tribal crystal]

why is skiaens castle a dungeon?

[tribal crystal]

unimplemented idea

[cerulean osprey]

it just exists

no quests lead to it

[hybrid gazelle]

Skien and the outfated lore

[tribal crystal]

should have content eventully..

[tribal crystal]

yeah

clock dungeon needs to return... Its delayed past fruma it seems...

OH COME ON!!!1

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think we need any new dungeon

Unless we remove forgery

Like ofc we need fruma to habe dungeon but

[tribal crystal]

clock dungeon is a removed dungeon that was promised to return in 1.20

[hybrid gazelle]

But I am talking about the current level range we have

Another 1.20 L

[tribal crystal]

I still want it back...
It was a quasi secret dungeon.

[candid cliff]

do you have the clock set?

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh if it was secrect dungeon thst fine

Wynncraft dungeon is such a mess

[tribal crystal]

clock mystery was finding 8 clocks then you had to clear a quasi dungeon with several bosses to get a unique set

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh gavel would be cool if it also has dungoen

Therr untapped potential Therr

But understandable to why forgery was more in favor

If only gavel release by region and not at once

[tribal crystal]

has 2... Mortal mountain that became tcc and the clock mystery

[candid cliff]

yeah there's just a giant 30 lvl gap between original dungeons

[tribal crystal]

yeah... clock mystery would fit well

[hybrid gazelle]

Imagine rogue orc dungeon to expand the orc

Inagime naga dungeon

Skyraider dungeon

There such so many thing I can think of

[tribal crystal]

yeah..

[hybrid gazelle]

I even have a rough concept of additional dungeon quest

One of them being you work with an orc to take down a rogue orc that been causing chaos for both side of tbe war

And you would learn more about the orc culture which introduction of rotten tusk

[woeful plume]

you don't have to like it or agree with me, but i fail to see an issue with placing one specific event near 0AP. a thousand years is a long time, and it is entirely possible for the olm to have gone extinct in that time even before the iboju village existed (early 800s) and the sodeta guild took up residence in dernel (between 879 and 925AP)

[tribal crystal]

fairly sure clock dungeon is level 70-75 lore wise..

so would fit between FF and GG

[woeful plume]

the iboju warrior in "lost in the jungle" says that their best warriors couldn't get far into the dernel jungle, making it very easy for a small group of people to hide there

[tribal crystal]

well post fruma expect more dungeon and raids I think without new regions...

Quest reworks etc.

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah that quest sure exist

Tbh I thinking about rework my take on forgery

I don’t really like corrupted dungeon stuff like

Concept wise it fine it just

[tribal crystal]

same

Well I was told my ideas for dungeons dont fit...
Since what they want is dungeons to be short content..

shorter solo raids is what they said.

[hybrid gazelle]

For my dungeon rework idea, I just have corrupted dungeon as a harder dungeon option with forgery as its own thing

[tribal crystal]

same...

A harder option you can accese at the entrence...

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh I just prefer more with recontextualizing the native as olm descendent

But oh well it is what it is

Working on this lore summary

Hoenstly I don’t think I will mention TNA and stuff

Can’t even figure out where I put corkus but I will decide somehow

[woeful plume]

i think we are generally on the same wavelength regarding the sequence of events

[woeful plume]

that would actually be pretty fascinating tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

I have many idea to rework parts of wynncraft lore

[drifting aurora]

god i hate this discovery

[drifting aurora]

olm being in 0 ap would be incredibly messy

we do have explanations internally for some of the portal funkiness

[woeful plume]

i'd love to know tbh, because this is going to bother me forever

[candid fox]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QUIh7sQQWZM

fruma

[drifting aurora]

fuma

[woeful plume]

i actually genuinely don't see the issue. like i said, time valley and the other olm stuff would still be BP, only the dernic invasion and the subsequent migration to the dernel jungle would happen in 0AP

[drifting aurora]

still messy. it adds a strange gap to the olm timeline if you have it go that way

[exotic bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464427461935632384/1465141963069198396/FRUMA_HYPE_EXLIMATION.gif

[woeful plume]

how so? what am i missing?

[digital swan]

I think it should be a dungeon

it's super neglected in content so far

and most of content on it is level 75 anyways

(Reincanation, ???)

why not bring the entire thing up to level 75

and add a dungeon quest and dungeon centering on the Selchar Navy wanting you to help with a FoN operation against Skien's Island

that way if you ignore one specific very hated dungeon
and move Clock Dungeon up 10 levels
you have a dungeon every 10 levels

[true gate]

is there any one place that has like a full breakdown of the lore n stuff

for someone who is completely out of the loop

[regal walrus]

There are videos online but they can be outdated and incorrect

Honestly just go to the wiki and click all the links of stuff you don’t know

Like read and article and then read all the linked articles or something

[acoustic meadow]

Can I use the jungle natives descended from the olm thing in a fic I'm writing? Not beat for beat what you're doing, lore just lines up way cooler if they're olm descendant

[woeful plume]

actually, thinking about it, a slightly different approach would be to change the wording in "the final moments" secret discovery to make it more ambiguous. "Shortly after the portal broke into this hidden land" implies that the portal opened (without also causing the light and war realm portals to open up as the inverse does), when it would make more sense to portray it like passive influence ala the light forest. "Forcing the Olm to his domain" also suggests that the portal was open, unless it is not literal and instead meant to suggest that the SE started resembling the realm of dern

that way you keep everything before 0AP without having to change much of the in game content, and without creating that big a discrepancy

the portal didn't open at that time, but dernic influence started to gradually alter the silent expanse, only increasing more after actually opening proper in 0AP

[hybrid gazelle]

It not really my original idea
It was inspired by someone else

[digital swan]

ah so bob's mom isn't the only one

[acoustic meadow]

Got it got it

[hybrid gazelle]

It difficult to say due to lack of info but it being before portal oepnning could be important to the event

It hard to judge rn if it’s really good idea to drastically change the timeline like that

But sure if that is your way of interpret the event

[regal spire]

There being huge gaps in the olm’s lore feels fitting, tbh. I would expect there to be much more, actually, considering their mess in time valley, and the fact they were under the eye/dern’s control for so long. What time would they have to record anything, or save any of it, if all they were trying to do was not die—or escape.

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

it also just

add to the feel of ancient civilization

like this bygone civilization that literally like

[regal spire]

Like, the biggest periods of historical loss were always times under the heaviest of scrutiny, usually related to oppressive tyrants, religious zealotry, or decadence (Ottomans are a really good example, and fairly recent, if compared to Wynn)

[hybrid gazelle]

just gone

[regal spire]

It’s the fact the Olm are practically entirely wiped out, and all that’s left of them are puppeteer’d corpses/husks is really impactful, and offers far more narrative cohesion—and dread—to their inclusion. It would also give a lot of potential to Garoth, as he seems to be one of, if not the only, lucid Olm left. He remains the sole book keeper of their race, and purposefully locked himself away from the war, and subsequent annihilation of his people. It would explain his incessant desire to maintain the sanctum, no matter how much damage it would cause others around him

This is beside the point, but the backstory of the Olm seems super fitting to another ??? style quest

[drifting aurora]

garoth....

my bad garoth. i wish i had time to give you the story content you deserve

[regal spire]

For what it’s worth, the very notion of him being obsessed with the sanctum, it being suspended in time, and the fact that the Olm are extinct adds a lot to the potential understanding for his reasoning. I hope to see his sympathetic villain side come out in the dungeon, or the quest, more, and show just how desperate he is to keep the last bit of his home intact.

[drifting aurora]

a big part of garoth's whole deal which isnt represented in game is... regretting not leaving with the rest of the olm. at least then, even if he'd have died, he wouldn't have been alone. he's trapped himself in a bubble from which he can never truly escape

[regal spire]

He’s a truly tragic character, and thinking about him even for a moment gives me such a heavy pit in my chest

[exotic bough]

i gotta mention garoths whole thing being brought up like this reminds a lot of porky from mother

i wonder if that had any influence on his character development

[drifting aurora]

not at all. ive never played any of the mother games

[regal spire]

My great grandmother used to tell my mother, and subsequently me, stories of how she ran away from home, furious with her mother and father for arranging a marriage with her, only to have essentially escaped just in time, before N-azi occupation overran her village and sent every one of her family members to different camps.

She tried to come back home, after being abused for so long, only to see a destroyed home, and only parts of a story to reveal what exactly had happened to them

It’s a weirdly personal connection, a story like that can have, despite how totally far it is from the original source—for me

[regal spire]

It’s what I’d love to see more from Garoth. His deep regret, blanketed by resentment and anger for himself, all directed at the player. He knows he is hurting others, and himself, but to break away from the world he has now would be to lose everything he left them for

[drifting aurora]

the original idea for why youre going in there is that the time bubble is kind of destabilizing the surrounding area

[regal spire]

It’s what I assumed, given the troubles

[drifting aurora]

i'm not 100% certain if i'll keep that, or if i'll come up with something better

[regal spire]

I can totally see the sanctum’s weight of suspending a piece of itself in time and space slowly pulling apart the valley.

[hybrid gazelle]

I wonder if Bob ever aware of Garoth existence

[regal spire]

Probably not, tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe they coul dbe friend IDK

[regal spire]

In universe, it seems the sanctum is pretty closed off

[tribal crystal]

question who wrote lari's dialogue for the quests? (whoever they are they should have all there text removed its D- quality)

[drifting aurora]

👎

[hybrid gazelle]

ok let's not

as much as fun it could be bashing on Lari writing
ROL as a whole made under time crush and it's ambitious quest all thing consider

[candid cliff]

that's so cool

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think the dialogue writing on Lari specifcally is bad

[candid cliff]

you will soon 🔥

5 storyline green quests for garoth

[tribal crystal]

want me to tear it apart?

[tribal crystal]

fair

No lari's writing is just bad

her personality is delisiounal.

[hybrid gazelle]

okay man if you wanna go that way sure

[tribal crystal]

Also its inconsistant.

[hybrid gazelle]

like I said ROL as a whole made under a lot of undesire circumstance

[tribal crystal]

fair enough...

[candid cliff]

just without 4 players requirement

[tribal crystal]

Either way it needs a full rework, and lari's actions dont match her words, nor is her personality consistant across the quest chain

[hybrid gazelle]

it's ambitious quest that written under time crutch, writers inexperience and not having enough skill to write the story of such scale

[candid cliff]

I like how AHC is done slightly mysteriously

[hybrid gazelle]

the CT do intend to remake it at some point

[tribal crystal]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

the key word is at some point

[candid cliff]

You still have to think where to go but you don't have to go to every cranny and house on the map

[hybrid gazelle]

but that already been discuss to death

[tribal crystal]

My biggest gripe rereading the entire questline is lari's dialogue... (the lore is fine) the ideas are fine... the execution of her specifically is terrible

[regal spire]

I really like what the talking mushroom and the ARG offered for a single player experience similar to ???

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh if Garoth getting his own quest

I want it to give conclusion to old man matryn somehow

I think old man matyrn as a whole just a weird mystery

[candid cliff]

We all LOVE talking mushroom

[hybrid gazelle]

I would even say he probably example to how to do mystery wrong

[tribal crystal]

fair enough

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing about old man matryn is that

literally there nothing to discuss or theorize about his existence

[dim plover]

Old man martyrn

[regal spire]

He’s a mystery purely because we literally know nothing about him

[tribal crystal]

yup

[hybrid gazelle]

like literally the fact nobody discuss about him at all

is very telling of how bad of a mystery he is

mystery should spawn various of intereptation

but Marytn has fucking none

[slim belfry]

except that one dude you helped and that's it

[hybrid gazelle]

becausen obody care

[regal spire]

And there’s nothing in the game, besides a few bits of dialogue, that give him any sort of goal or connection to the world. As of now, he was Bob’s friend who watches time valley, and that’s it

[hybrid gazelle]

he is a mystery for the sake of mystery and never leave a bread crumb for player to being engage

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh beinb bob's friend is nothing

because i bet everyone who met Bob is Bob's friend

he is liek that one popular guy at school

[dim plover]

Trashie how did you manage to misspell Martyn three times in a row

[regal spire]

Literally the truth, too. Bob’s friend was any person who met him, and is still alive today

[candid cliff]

🔥

[dim plover]

All three of them with different spellings

[hybrid gazelle]

because i type fast and I could not care less about him

[dim plover]

THE INCIDENT
Talking Mushroom came here once and encountered… The Creature.

[slim belfry]

the mushroom met john gluk

[tribal crystal]

he is what killed the creature that left the giant skull

[hybrid gazelle]

old man matryn is need to be overhaul in someway it just IDK man such a goddamn weird mystery

it boring kind of mystery

the worst kind of mystery

[tribal crystal]

true

[slim belfry]

what about removed and more exploration on olm lore

[regal spire]

Dead Island, anyone?

[hybrid gazelle]

Dead Island just old writing stuff

I honestly just feel like it could use entire overhaul

[regal spire]

Ik it’s basically a fan fic atp, but what if we applied it to now

[hybrid gazelle]

Ocean as a whole is example of creative bankrupt

like jfc

[slim belfry]

my favorite place with the dern beasts minions

[hybrid gazelle]

have a vast open ocean and all enemies you can think of

is zombie

[regal spire]

Lv. 75 Dern Beasts fr

[hybrid gazelle]

are you geniunely serious

[regal spire]

Hey, sometimes they had endermen

[hybrid gazelle]

if DeadiIsland got remake

I hope that it literally has nothing in it

like just overgrowth tree

[tribal crystal]

Ocean needs a full rework

[hybrid gazelle]

just no mobs

no music

utter slient with bird chirping

[regal spire]

I hope dead island gets fucking nuked off the face of the map, tbh

[slim belfry]

yeah and the only interesting one we get is fircking lonely islet

[hybrid gazelle]

it should be just an islad you come across

[tribal crystal]

no maro deserves that far more

[regal spire]

Replace it with a potential ocean raid

[regal spire]

Maro deserves a rework, not a removal

[dim plover]

I did transform Dead Island in my WynnEx Rewrite

[tribal crystal]

That is what maro peaks deserves

[slim belfry]

maro peaks...

[tribal crystal]

where is that

[dim plover]

Renamed it to Tavernmaw and it’s now a really important hotspot for Renkka lore (and like, quests relating to the funny kraken man in question)

[regal spire]

I get what you mean, having a completely dead island that’s nothing more than a mystery, but I think a lot of the empty islands around Wynn could be better used for that. Dead Island really feels like it should just be entirely removed, and make room for other islands instead

[dim plover]

Fragmented across this discord server

I don’t have a compiled doc for it

Best I have is the passalong chart though but even that one’s unfinished

[hybrid gazelle]

like I feel ocean could have been fun region that is mix and mash different region together

like a vast relatively newly open ocean

[regal spire]

It’s really funny how dead island’s inclusions/quest felt outdated even during its conception

[dim plover]

Basically Dead Island becomes straight-up a Lovecraftian island

[hybrid gazelle]

and all people want to get a piece and explore it

like lore wise

ocean is open realtively new in wynncraft

like 100 years ago

[regal spire]

I think it was my least favorite quest, and area, in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

imagine all kind of thing going on there

[slim belfry]

my guess is after fruma we'll get "rekindled" ocean along with new music

[regal spire]

What do you guys think of Aenara lmao

[tribal crystal]

ah ok

(how did I only learn this channel existed today sigh)

[slim belfry]

I've lurked here for a few years but too shy

[dim plover]

Funny you say that

[drifting aurora]

troubled tribesmen right

[dim plover]

Also an important character in my rewrite lmao

[drifting aurora]

that quest needs to not exist

[regal spire]

Yar

[tribal crystal]

yeah

I agree remove that quest

[slim belfry]

I forgot that existed

[dim plover]

tbh a lot of my WynnEx rewrite is me looking at obscure Wynncraft content and going “you are now promoted to plot relevance”

[regal spire]

Aenara is hilariously bad, both as a character, and as a boss

[dim plover]

“Please do not resist”

If Renkka is the recurring antagonist of the ocean then I made Aenara the main antagonist of the Jungle

[hybrid gazelle]

The bane of ct

[dim plover]

In my rewrite he’s a plant-arachnid behemoth horribly mutated by the Earth Crystal

[regal spire]

Aenara is a bug, though. Like, a lame asf bug

[drifting aurora]

jungle does struggle with a lack of overarching stuff going on

[dim plover]

He basically rules the entire jungle

[hybrid gazelle]

Troubled tribesmen is like thst one joke you said in high school and forever regret about it

[slim belfry]

I keep hearing from people that jungle needs help yeah

[drifting aurora]

everything feels very one-off

[candid cliff]

jungle does struggle. the end

[hybrid gazelle]

Wait Lexnt

Habe you seen my new Charon design

[drifting aurora]

in passing probably

[dim plover]

People hating on Troubled Tribesman has taught me that wow I actually cannot tell when something is meant to be offensive

That or I just forgot what happens in the quest

[hybrid gazelle]

He no longer blue

[drifting aurora]

neat

[dim plover]

Idk I thought the Avo corpse piles were metal

but then it turns out that like

[candid cliff]

they talk some ancient language and the guy puts a cool spell on you and you can talk now

[dim plover]

I’m not supposed to think that way

[slim belfry]

I just looked up the dialogue what the heck

[candid cliff]

so i'm not alone

[dim plover]

All I remember is the Aenara-Entamis conflict because I actually did see potential in that plotline

[hybrid gazelle]

Actually what is worse

Troubled tribesmen existence or Worid existence

[slim belfry]

I really dont remember this

[dim plover]

(And I did, WynnEx rewrite has them as major players now)

Even made a model back then

(It’s trash though I’ll use Wynncraft’s 2.1 system next time)

That and I want to make him more plant-y

Like he’s half plant

[candid cliff]

'trash' but 10x better than whats in the game

[slim belfry]

hard to say

[drifting aurora]

i think theres a way to spin worid to be fine

i dont know what specifically it is but i believe it can be done

[dim plover]

The solution is to make him a killable mob

(He drops all the money he has ever stolen and we get to keep it)

[candid cliff]

what's wrong with worid

he's just an asshole

[regal spire]

It’s the fact that Worid is a half human half villager looking dude in the jungle that’s just giving it all sorts of yowzas

[dim plover]

You just answered your own question

[slim belfry]

I think if that was better conveyed it'd make it less awkward

[regal spire]

Worid should be a goblin or some shit lmao

[candid cliff]

half human half villagers are weird overall

why is the guy in eltom quest black

[slim belfry]

yeah wait do we even see other hybrids

[regal spire]

I thought one of the Mayor’s had darker skin

[dim plover]

Hey you wanna hear something really, really funny

[candid cliff]

Eltom mayor is white as now

and the girl is just a villager model

[slim belfry]

you're not the father

[candid cliff]

Sur

[digital swan]

thesead mayor cheated

[slim belfry]

it's hard for them to keep meeting

so

[digital swan]

the question is, on who?

[regal spire]

Maybe it’s a consistent dormant gene that gets unlocked when a hybrid is made between the two, idk lol

[digital swan]

if she can't meet eoric so often...

[slim belfry]

WHAT

[digital swan]

and ardulf is probably not her child

[candid cliff]

Oh no

[regal spire]

There’s potential for this lmao

[candid cliff]

oh god

[dim plover]

TLDR; Ardulf is quite literally Worid but whatever CT took the skin stretched the eyes

Like, it’s the same head texture

[digital swan]

he's worid but surprised

[regal spire]

Worid being a half breed banished to the jungle needs to scam enough money to get back to Gavel, then exact his revenge on Elton lmao

[candid cliff]

lool

[slim belfry]

peak storytelling

[dim plover]

Just added a hood onto it

[digital swan]

also does this mean Ardulf isn't a villager human halfbreed

[slim belfry]

no this means that worid is

[hybrid gazelle]

Blackface

Wynncraft is such a weird fantasy

Cause the idea of mix spieces just not really shown as normal or something. Worth talk about

And when it talk about

It just

“Mixed race couple? Cringe!” Proceed to play guitar

[vestal rivet]

I thought Worid was another human-villager hybrid for a while
then others brought up blackface and I just hated him even more than I already did lol
dude is already a scumbag

[slim belfry]

yeah it's really weird because you'd think that it'd be a common thing at this point

[vestal rivet]

lock me in a room with Worid, Lari, and Tasim
I shoot Worid repeatedly as despite faults, the other 2 at least try to help with things sometimes

[digital swan]

?

how would it be common

[vestal rivet]

my name may as well be AM when it comes to Worid

[slim belfry]

human and villager relations

[vestal rivet]

anyways ted talk over gn wynncord

[slim belfry]

gn

[digital swan]

...are kinda garbage

[digital swan]

gn

[digital swan]

both sides are pretty racist

[hybrid gazelle]

Nothing really suggest that tho

It even weirder cause

The implication he care that much about money despite it has would be no use of him due to him in tribal society

Kinda come off as villager greediness is from their gene rather than their condition enviotment

Which then it

[digital swan]

at the very least, many villagers explicitly say things to the effect of "all humans are violent brutes"

[hybrid gazelle]

You know where I am gojng

[slim belfry]

but I'm not violent 🥺

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the entire jungle need heavy rework to make it feel like jt got a story

[digital swan]

you killed a guy's cows when he asked you to deal with them tbf

[hybrid gazelle]

I still in the idea of punishment Troms storyline where player being sent to work in Troms as punishment for gojng awol

Only to reveal to be a test by the admiral

[slim belfry]

and killed that one chicken on rooster island

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like that could make the jungle story feel unique give more variety to wynncraft story

And also it would transition really well for player to leaving the military

Like player need to leave the military

[regal spire]

That joke being kept makes zero sense, since it’s supposed to be a nod at how they didn’t have the tech to make leading the cows back to the dude actually work. They could totally do that, now, but decided that it’d be funnier to just make us uncharacteristically stupid

[digital swan]

in any case it seems doubtful that villager-human relations would be common

all things considered

[slim belfry]

they could probably deal with it in an eventual gavel update

[regal spire]

Yeah, the binding of gavel afterbirth

[drifting aurora]

we should cancel fruma and rework gavel again

[slim belfry]

wait no

I meant after fruma

please no

[dim plover]

That’s a great idea, Gavel needs an update real quick

[digital swan]

yes please

another space on my bingo card checked off

[dim plover]

There’s this one piece of relatively obscure Gavel content that was removed awhile back but hasn’t been added back

You probably haven’t heard of it it’s called-

[digital swan]

(which means one left before bingo on F)

[dim plover]

Like I’ve said before

We kill anything with a healthbar on sight

(It’s the law)

[digital swan]

so many people skip the Nightmare bossfight

it's sad

[regal spire]

But only sometimes, and we’re clearly capable of understanding the difference, if there isn’t any possible misunderstanding, like with Nohno

[digital swan]

ok well we killed cluckles in self defense

he attacked us

also for the fun of it but that's irrelevant

[regal spire]

We killed cluckles because Nohno implied it to be “dangerous” and that it “needed to be taken care of”

[hybrid gazelle]

BILLION REWORK TO GAVEL

IT WILL BE GOOD EVENTUALLY TRUST

[limber swan]

I think RR2 is about Picard

cause like

think about it

Picard can easily just restore people's memories

with his orb

thats a pretty big nuisance if you ask me

[limber swan]

so your saying this

the player is punished for going awol

sent to the jungle

and apparently it was a test

what?

i need to know more

[jovial spindle]

I guess never is happening fruma is coming

[warm adder]

fruma gonna get the gd 2.2 treatment

[woeful plume]

does fruma know of this, i wonder? fruman government did know about the decay, the expanse, and the corruption, so... but then again, picard is relatively small compared to all those events

[wicked peak]

theres something eerily similar about the ending scene of the "sixth sovereign trailer" and the some of the new promotional material, which is funny if nothing else
-also do apologize if its been posted already, i dont follow this server religiously 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that been a mystery

maybe could be a rebel???

the fact they riding a golem might be hitn they are cursed

and that just like

typical rebel spray paint

[topaz gazelle]

Ok listen I may be insane, but what if that’s a golem made out of someone’s grave, the way the golem is designed just gives me that vibe, I’m not- sure why. Alternatively it could be some sort of earth bending but either way I get the vibe of somebody creating it all on their own.

[hybrid gazelle]

It just made a lot of thing

like so far it look like tree root

foliage

earth

and machinery??

[wicked peak]

it comes across as some shamanistic bullshit where theyve raised a golem from the earth
though i wonder if its a rebel / non-aligned / or if the "eyes" are there to denote that they are under some sort of hypnosis (which the Frumans do seem to know a thing or two about manipulating heads :D)

[hybrid gazelle]

It either eye because they are hypnosised

or they are this crazy doctor character

but I feel like consider Fruma

hypnosied is not out of the question

[wicked peak]

it would make sense why the hypnosis eyes/glasses are depicted in the torture room as pointed out here if it was some hypnosis stuff
could also be that the person on top of the golem can hypnotize you
that would make for a fun raid mechanic :-D

[candid cliff]

I was watching crasher, who's Raia? Does she have any lore?

[hybrid gazelle]

No she just a mob in proff island

Just happen to have someone commission art of her

[candid cliff]

oh lol

that's lame

[chilly tulip]

So are the trailer each for different members of the Fruma court or smth?

[mossy badge]

Sovereigns

[chilly tulip]

Yeah I forgot the title for a sec

I wonder how the Fruma constructs work

Because they aren’t electro magic

Wait can humans be made into golems

[mossy badge]

If villagers can..

[mossy badge]

Also why is that

[cerulean osprey]

flashbacks to an iron heart 1-2

[chilly tulip]

Royal Report IV said that Electromagic may be of interest to Fruma

Implying they don’t have it or it’s not really used

[mossy badge]

Wouldn't it make sense that the scientist girl is experimenting with it

[chilly tulip]

That’s possible I suppose

To me it looks a bit more like magic than what little we’ve seen of electromagic

Like animating objects/constructs va machinery

The electro magic we’ve seen has a lot more particles iirc

[mossy badge]

Hmm

[chilly tulip]

Speaking of electromagic why do we think it’s of interest to Fruma? The current theories I’ve seen have the leaders of Fruma having access to magic and anyone outside of their circle are “cursed” to try and remove destabilizing factors to their rule, but electromagic can be learned by anyone right?

Wouldn’t the introduction of electromagic at all be counterproductive for them? Because it’s likely eventually the someone in the populace would figure out how it works

[vestal rivet]

it seems that only a single one of the Sovereigns is actually interested in it

[chilly tulip]

So it’s just interest in terms of experimentation then?

And not potential implementation?

[vestal rivet]

which coincidentally is the one teased in today's short trailer thing

[chilly tulip]

Yeah that’s why I was asking

[vestal rivet]

if I had to guess
although Recover the Past references a factory

[chilly tulip]

Imagine a quest line where some sort of resistance group thinks the Sovereigns are making robotic war machines using electromagic and send us to stop them, and when we finally get the technomancer Sovereign they’re like “I just think they’re neat.”

[jovial cosmos]

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???

[warm adder]

me

[glass acorn]

we get there and the soveriegn takes off a mask to reveal theyre just Maxie

[digital swan]

doubtful

[glass acorn]

ik ik its a joke, tho if it did happen i would scream lol

[digital swan]

seeing that this is the major world update

it's more likely they'd add a lesbian couple

than reuse a gay couple

[glass acorn]

im still slightly salty we dont get to attend his wedding

[jovial cosmos]

Still curious as to what the King of Ragni knows about Fruma, being a direct neighbor to them.

Despite Fruma's quietness, it's still likely that Ragni can at least know SOME details about them. At least enough for them to accept recruits from Fruma.

[lone charm]

Wait maxies spouse is a man??? I always thought they were a woman.

[cerulean osprey]

yes

[civic seal]

man is peak

[lone charm]

Huh that's nice

You know they wrote a gay couple well why the only way you can tell is by their gender

[candid cliff]

what

[candid cliff]

do you think rickeo could've fought against bak'al & his army or was it really just a random corrupted push

[cyan sapphire]

dont forget the underrated gay couple in maex

[clear scaffold]

i always assumed bak'al was involved with an army on the corrupted bridge that finally took rickeo out

(now did dwendle survive or die)

[candid cliff]

well he had a family

probably died semi-peacefully

[candid cliff]

yeah

not only was he seemingly stronger than theorick who was already insanely strong, it says he used all of his energy to stop them

[jolly flax]

has anyone come out with a nice lore summary? I never got super deep into the lore but w/ fruma coming out I’d be interested in learning more about it

[hybrid gazelle]

uhh

I am wokring on one

ot finsi hyet

[jolly flax]

sick. looking forward to that

[candid solar]

does the “magic” make sense in the game

lime im doing another full pt again

and it seems a lot of jank

[hybrid gazelle]

what oyu mean

[candid solar]

theres a kind of magic that the twains used, then theres one thats used by the jungle on foy then theres a type of magic in gavel then theres electromagic

then theres the magic in SE

then theres magic in fruma

It just seems like “oh uh magic exists for this area👍”

[warm flicker]

from what we know, the magic the Twains used is the same knd of magic the Frumans nobilty use. We also know that Electromagic might have its origins in Fruma too, but we will see if thats the case. Jungle is messy and lore is ancient so just ignore that bit. Gavel magic is much more potent because the sentient species there are more exposed to Orphion and the Light than the humans are, making spells and such over there a lot more powerful. As for SE, all of that is Dark magic, which was probably created or was a byproduct of the Dern Beast

[candid fox]

theres a timeline page on the wiki but its super long and has a ton of unimportant info

[hybrid gazelle]

the twain use leemental magic

they just good at it

the jungle also use elemental magic but they just use shamanism

jst

assume everythign is elemental

like those are most common type of magic use by normal people in the world

[warm flicker]

jungle doesnt even have secret discovieries its never getting updated 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

SE having magic is like up to your view if dark, light, and corruption has magic or not

[hybrid gazelle]

also reading just timeline have you missing out on the fundemental of the world

such as how the world work or what each area meant to be

[candid fox]

true

[warm flicker]

how can it be a timeline if it doesnt discuss the Fruman-Olmic hyperwar??

[hybrid gazelle]

like

magic stuff wise

just

ASSUME

everything is elemental magic to some degree

because those are the most common type of magic in wynncraft that normal civilization to use

there is soul magic, cosmic, magic and stuff

but those are like very rare and only few use it

there is no SE magic, there is no twain magic, there is no jungle magic, or whatever

it just simply how people use magic

it like firearm

they all guns but each country manufracture and use them differently

[stoic dock]

SE magic?

[dim plover]

Huh?

[stoic dock]

What does SE magic mean?

[mossy badge]

SE is silent expanse

[hybrid gazelle]

mean nothing as I said

[stoic dock]

Ah

[chilly tulip]

Do we get an explanation of how electromagic works, because if so I don’t remember? Is it technomancy? Harnessing ambient magic?

[hybrid gazelle]

so far it's extension of thunder magic

likely simply concentrating thunder elmeneti nto electricity form

which then pretty much work like real life electricity

[woeful plume]

be gay do crimes type beat

[cyan sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/morgon-freeman-true-bugburger2-true-fact-checked-by-patriots-wholesome-reddit-gif-13662132864673041294

[grizzled frost]

if the corkians manage to find out about petroleum magic, Dern is doomed

[tribal crystal]

What is the exact lore of timelost sanctum?

[mossy badge]

Its lost.. in time i think, not sure

[hybrid gazelle]

An olm by the name of Garoth choose to stay behind in time valley in spite of the incident

[tribal crystal]

I guess I would expand it to the power of the olm over time and time valley

[hybrid gazelle]

So he build entire sanctum to hold time in place just so he can survive the incident

But now the sanctum just necessery from his survival or something

And that like very very rough summary

There more stuff but like you probably gotta ask Lexnt for that cause idk how to explain it

[tribal crystal]

.... do we have any good reason for going in and killing him

[hybrid gazelle]

Not uet

[tribal crystal]

I assume the quest...

which is coming will give one

tm

[hybrid gazelle]

Someday

[tribal crystal]

Was wondering if I could tie it into my idea of reworking the clock dungeon

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think you could consider Garoth story in it’s own thing

Rather than intertwine with what clock mystery which mostly in gavel

[drifting aurora]

you definitely should not

[unique hill]

lol

[tribal crystal]

ok

[tribal crystal]

well if you like any of my ideas in my rework post in constructive feedback feel free to take or become inspired by them.

[chilly tulip]

It’ll probably be something related to the Time Troubles quest, like Garoth Sanctum existing helped release that initial one on Tempo Town

I just hope Tempo Town gets more stuff to do, and maybe some tents or something for shelter

[shut hornet]

Garoth J. Sanctum

full name

[unborn latch]

What if temp town had some snail race or smth

wheres the tempo in the town

[vestal rivet]

is the snail race on the snail island repeatable?

the one against Usnail Bolt

[digital swan]

we don't like him

[vestal rivet]

we do need that Time Valley/Pigman Ravine/Jungle overhaul update some point
give Timelost Sanctum an actual quest

[digital swan]

yes

[vestal rivet]

SICK

[digital swan]

butbutbut if Timelost Sanctum quest we can't kill him for the fun of it we'll have had an actual reason to

[lone charm]

He never said it needed to give us a reason

[vestal rivet]

<@&268142859327242242>

Thanks!

[jade pollen]

I have just finished A Journey Beyond and I am not okay. I know they were gonna sacrifice me instead but also....... :(

[dry aspen]

If Tasim gets murked in fruma we riot

[jade pollen]

that's the other guy you start with at the beginning right? 😭 i hadnt even considered that. fear

[dry aspen]

yeah, he's the warrior guy

[jade pollen]

holding Tasim in a full body hug and using myself as a shield. leave my mans alone

[digital swan]

piercing crossbow

[digital swan]

he doesn't consider you a friend btw

he tells you that you're friendless

sooooooo

[jade pollen]

i mean, the PC kinda is. we just kinda do whatever

[clear scaffold]

God that quest needs a change eventually

[vestal rivet]

Tasim shows up at Christmas as one of the invites
at least, he has for the past few years
no idea if that trend will just continue with new dialogue after Fruma, I guess it just depends on whether or not Tasim lives through Fruma

[shut mist]

i am wondering if we will have the option to tell him

[vestal rivet]

if you talk to him in Detlas during the Christmas festival, the game tells you that you do not feel the time is right to tell him or something
you can't even invite him if you haven't done AJB tmi

[shut mist]

exactly

but will fruma be the right time ...

i do wonder

[glass summit]

Will there be Curx lore

😛

[vestal rivet]

no, no AI generated image lore

[glacial ridge]

Is it possible to sell cosmetics for emeralds? In the player market?

[cerulean osprey]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

It probably will serve as one of the plot point

[whole river]

Deadass felt betrayed that two of my Day 1s were genuinely going to slime me out

It hurts too because the player has actually made bonds and connections throughout his journey and HE was ONE of them 🥲

[candid fox]

lucio

[whole river]

The fact that Lucio was considered above the player too lmfao

[regal spire]

Appalachian and Luthor corrupted Pale Ale

[chilly tulip]

Didn’t we only meet Elphaba once

[abstract fiber]

Yes

Lucio too if I recall (The Mercenary)

[whole river]

Yeah and we helped her entire squadron not get clipped. Least she could do is sack Lucio

[lone charm]

Although it does kinda of make sense. I'm going to assume that they didn't really know what we were doing in gavel, and it was just kind of radio silence from us

[whole river]

They didn’t know we stopped the decay true but like solving the dogun-dwarf conflict, calming the colossus, solving the orc conflict, etc. should be pretty common knowledge.

Lucio must have blackmail on them or something

[shut hornet]

lucio is more powerful than the player because he can beat up polar bears

[whole river]

Real

[limber swan]

ok but lucio died and the player didnt

so the player is more powerful

[lone charm]

It should be, but it's the only explanation that makes sense to me

[lyric remnant]

i got a friend into wynncraft recently and they had the same observation i did: that there is a hilarious number of “random npc knocks you out easily” quests when the player is fully armored, can survive hits from several eldritch beings and gods, and can shoot meteors and atom bombs and whatever the hell else

[candid cliff]

player can destroy a big ass tree at lvl 1

btw

[candid cliff]

next update leaked ❗

[unique hill]

https://wynncraft.com/stats/player/yanpawa?character=af3f9471-db53-46f3-891d-b314e689cb81

[candid cliff]

I don't mean professions in tutorial we break a massive tree physically to get through a ravine

[candid cliff]

also that's fucking crazy

[unique hill]

yea i just felt like sharing its a crazy class lol

[candid cliff]

wait how is that even possible

did he farm molten instead of dernic??

[unique hill]

yes

to 132

[candid cliff]

oh god

[unique hill]

theres also a guy who has a class with 0 mob kills thats level 74

well its like 0 mob kills and no carries from other ppl to powerlevel through group content

https://wynncraft.com/stats/player/glassjars?character=d836f66e-9da1-4265-aa11-d4068775adda

funny stuff

[dim plover]

Pacifist route

[candid cliff]

funny people

[candid cliff]

i wonder if it's possible for your first kill to be aledar

not sure what mobs are serverside and whatnot

[dim plover]

Actually wait don’t you have to kill stuff in quests

[unique hill]

not all of em

just look at his profile

[dim plover]

Or can you get another player’s help here

As in, allowed to

[unique hill]

I mean

technically you can get through several by using other players for help or getting items on another class

i think he chose not to do that at all

just out of principle, idk

[dim plover]

Then how does that player get through the quests without help from others

[unique hill]

i think he cant do most of em, lol

[cerulean osprey]

i hope fruma enlightens us

[glass acorn]

theres a timeline where Lucio was the sacrifice bcause tasim was with aledar and we didnt show up im just sayin

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like Aledar said he has intention of sacrifice the fourth

so either it's us or Tasim

[vestal rivet]

they didn't have a fourth in mind
they were actively looking for one at the time

[hybrid gazelle]

you know it weird becuase like

Aledar send message to Tasim

and Tasim just come late

so I guess the expendition was in the hurry

I guess

[vestal rivet]

us being accepted so quickly was kind of impromptu, but they still went with it because as Aledar described it, the player was the perfect choice
strong
no loved ones to leave behind
no real past life

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh that kinda doo doo from Aledar part

cuaes we literally arrive in the same cart like

not even a year ago

like all of this take place in months

[vestal rivet]

ok fine 2 sorta loved ones
exactly 2 friends in the entire world as far as he's concerned

and one is missing anyhow

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is

Does Aledar even hae loved one leave behind LOL

cause so far he been traveling so much

[glass acorn]

idk him and Tasim seem p close in the final quest we have rn

[hybrid gazelle]

i Mean

so as us???

we were there bro ,in the pic

bro single us out

[vestal rivet]

I think it was referencing how we seemingly didn't even have a readable past from Recover the Past

[glass acorn]

we're the third wheel

[hybrid gazelle]

worst friend group ever

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess but Aledar was not there

he was never there

like so far as we know

[vestal rivet]

that do be an issue

[hybrid gazelle]

ALedar did not even like

do anything that remarkable comparison to us

like PUBLICLY

[glass acorn]

man did not like the cut of our gib

[hybrid gazelle]

we literally stop war
stop disaster
and other vairous of things

these are like

these are not secrect behind doors, this is in the open

[vestal rivet]

I assume that once word got out that a random wizard living near Detlas could bring back fragments of your past if you helped him, there would've been a lot of stuff going on in Elkurn
and we know the orb is fixable from the Christmas festival events

[vestal rivet]

the game just seems bad at acknowledging this in general
we see it sometimes in like in The Breaking Point and the start of The Thanos Depository and whatnot but not much elsewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah aledar speaking bullshit here

IDK I always prefer if rewrite happen

and the sacrifice was not intended

I think it just strange that aledarj ust know that

like the group just know that

[whole river]

Aledar knowing all of this too was kind of funny because who was the first person to figure that out

[deft seal]

I don’t think events are canon

[clear scaffold]

They are

Well the dialogue in events from characters is canon

[mossy badge]

Ppl resurrecting for bb is totally canon!!

[civic rapids]

do we think the door of time will open and this time walter white will be on the other side and we will have to cook

[chilly tulip]

I hope that they add references to other events beyond the player solved by other soldiers like Elphaba and Aledar. We hear from Tasim during FOTB about stopping an old golem, but it would be nice to hear at least from citizen dialogue about what the others are up to.

Like not as major stuff as the player is dealing with though, because if that was the case then it could feel like the player is missing out on cool quests that don’t exist

Maybe some NPCs at the guild hall in Cinfras who give different dialogue based on how far you’ve progressed or something idk

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure they are aware now that they should ahve write more offscreen events to make the world feel more alive

so probably in the future

we will get more

[chilly tulip]

Honestly I just want to hear about Linton’s antics

Like if some random guy in Lievgar says that Linton walked into a quartz research lab and everything exploded instantly

[hybrid gazelle]

cosnider Linton place in the world

I can hardly see him in Gavel unless he really need to be there for a job

he so far ike

the most normal guy

also god I keep forgetting how stupid quartz lore is

[chilly tulip]

I just want more Linton man

Maybe he somehow ended up getting hired by Wynn Excavation to help with tunnels or something idk

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean I guess?

IDK why would Wynnex a gavelian company that probalby already have their own team of demolition

[chilly tulip]

I’ve only known him for two quests but if it was Linton in AJF instead of Aledar, I’m definitely not fighting the Eye

[hybrid gazelle]

would hire like a relatively recent demolitionist

that probably has awful track history

but pop off I guess

[chilly tulip]

I hope Wynn Ex gets updated eventually in general

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah someday

[dry aspen]

they said after fruma that wynnexcavation was on the table for a revamp I think

[chilly tulip]

Like maybe including more characters the player actually knows? The whole ancient civilizations but seems like it should interest Junes at least a bit

Great

[dry aspen]

was the mention in the rekindled update announcement or something? cant quite remember

[hybrid gazelle]

June so far feel only active in desert

so like aside form one quest

IDK

IDK the problem with like

trying to shove different character in

is that it gonna get messy real fast

[chilly tulip]

I mean the first crystal is held in a desert temple

[hybrid gazelle]

espically on a quest that have you traveling all over the place

[chilly tulip]

Seems like that one should be related at least

[hybrid gazelle]

which result in not many character can follow along the story

It really depend

on the execution

but definitely risky one

[chilly tulip]

Maybe just regional NPCs then that we’ve already met?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that the thing

is each part of Wynnex just have regional NPC making cameo

then like

the character list in the questline going to massive and hard to track

not saying that it impossible

but it definitely would be diffuclt for the writers to not overlaod the readers with characters

[dry aspen]

meybe they can cameo or something, like one character meets you for one quest, then another relevent one in another part of the quest, etc

[chilly tulip]

No that’s fair

[dry aspen]

maybe even for like, one dialogue thingy

[chilly tulip]

I just want Wynn Ex to be more involved in the world

[hybrid gazelle]

also it just also really depend on what Wynnex going to be about

crystals are simply product of its time

like essentially

they are mcguffin to their very core

so I can see them being remake for something else

[dry aspen]

maybe they'll involve the crystals more in the greater world at large, maybe tie it into the meteors in ??? or some other things

[chilly tulip]

I mean the end of the quest line is another teaser for the SE and Dern because of the Olm right? Maybe lean into that more

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK I just

kinda tired of crystals???

In WYnncraft there just so many crystal-like stuff that it get really confusing

and it just

[chilly tulip]

So maybe like Olm relics then?

[hybrid gazelle]

feel very lazy and uncreative with how much crystals being use as mcguffin

olsm relic definitely like

olmic stuff defintiely feel underutilize in the setting

so maybe

[chilly tulip]

If they get rid of the crystals wouldn’t they have to remake ??? to then?

[hybrid gazelle]

also btw the funniest part is that despite so many use of crystal in this setting

none of them are good

[chilly tulip]

Because isn’t Gavel Excavation the cause of the whole debacle with the brothers

[hybrid gazelle]

they have

but gavelian meteor seemingly has nothing to do with crystals appear in Wynnex

and like

they both just happen to be crystal

I guess

IDK I literally could not pay attention to the crystals lore when it just

this

[chilly tulip]

I thought the Crystals were just meteor shards from the ones that landed in the SE

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess???

It probably i

[chilly tulip]

That’s what’s implied in A Wynnic Excavation discovery right

[hybrid gazelle]

which is funny because a CT mention that that discovery just added for the sake of it

it just meaningless

whichi s like weird to why it exist in the first place

not that I complain because the idea of powerful crystals that able to empower someone

just

have fuck ton of them lying around kinda weird

[chilly tulip]

Yeah that’s why I think Olmec relics would be a better fit for Wynn Ex

We already know that type of stuff still is around from Time Valley

[hybrid gazelle]

being olm relics also would give more focus on these things allowing olms to escape dern

it would make it feel more personal to olms

rather than

[chilly tulip]

And the quest culminates with the Olm in the jungle already

[hybrid gazelle]

a fucking crystals with random power

and also you can escape dern wit hit

becasue we kinda give up on thinking about what make them special beyond they are crack

[chilly tulip]

Was the Olm stuff added after Wynn Ex was already made?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK about that

[chilly tulip]

Or was that always part of it

[hybrid gazelle]

I alweays have likre

remake idea in mind

where all these crystals are replace with fragment of olmic artifact

this is an old design

they are essentailly what allow olms to escape dern

but when they escape, it would bew heavily changed by Dernic presence there and become its own creature

the olms then decide to shatter it and sent each fragment scatter across space and time