📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

but the way it currently present is just so weird

on topic of boss altar

[regal spire]

Also, wtf is Worid lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it even more fcrazy that they decide to shift the blame on the native with necromancy magic

[regal spire]

Why is he the only villager tribesman, and why is he the worst

[hybrid gazelle]

when corruption or whatever was the equlivant of it exist back then

like native using dark magic??? Well us outside better go and fix them

it such a weird decision that I am surpirse did not born out of intentional racism

[regal spire]

Also, the fact Slykaar is a tribesman, but is specifically depicted as horrible, with not much more development behind “I like kill”.

[hybrid gazelle]

slykaar is

[molten escarp]

petty revenge for being outcast after Bob walked in

[hybrid gazelle]

slykaar is wrird

weird

[regal spire]

I’m a fan of simplistic villains like that, but it’s usually supported by having actual development beforehand

[hybrid gazelle]

it feel like the writer responsible ofr him

take large amount of crack

like

IF YOU SUMMARIZE SLYKAAR STORY

it fine

it like fine at best

[regal spire]

Such as a better depiction of tribal life, showcasing why he would leave in the first place

[hybrid gazelle]

if you ignore the sterotype

but if you look closer

like

wtf is this

like

is the writer high???

like what with the DNA

Dernic essence???

like huh? where are these things came from???

his own pocket dimension???

Hello???

you geniunely cant tell me that whoever write Slykaar was not on crack while writing the quest

[candid cliff]

The tribes are unironically the most kind npc's in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

I think one of my friend said it best

[regal spire]

Like, we can keep him unsympathetic, if we just show him generally playing with sacrificial shamanism on the tribes people, and ultimately being cast out, or we can make him sympathetic, and potentially relate it to him being influenced by that “dernic essence” and going a Garven route

[hybrid gazelle]

that depict tribe people as kind people can also be bad thing while not bad as depict them as sterotypical savage because the thing is that like

they are still people

trying to depict them as "can do no wrong" can also be dehumanize

[regal spire]

Jungle SD’s need so much, and I’m afraid there will only be, like, 10

[hybrid gazelle]

and often build up false expectation

[candid cliff]

I always just took it as curiosity

for science !!

[regal spire]

Which is another path to take, but him being a total loser about it has two potential justifications for it

[hybrid gazelle]

I have something for the jungle native wait

here history of jungle native for project wartorn

[regal spire]

-He’s a jerk and justifies it because he mentally cannot care for other people’s general well-being or life

-He’s Garvening it after being stuck with a vile of dernic essence, and got too scientific

[hybrid gazelle]

I rather remove

dern and science stuff from Slykaar

geniunely just so unneeded

it just unneeded but also like

really so out of hand crazy, it hard to take the story seriously

[regal spire]

Also, I keep forgetting that the jungle tribe isn’t the only tribe

We’ve got the Savannah people, and the Mesa camps

[hybrid gazelle]

Mesa just

remove completey from wartorn project

they literally have no relevant and no potential

Brimminglar is

they change it to town now

[regal spire]

Mesa easier to support, imo, only because there’s an SD depicting their life during the sandstorm

[hybrid gazelle]

so it fine

like I dont think they suppose to be tribal anymore

[molten escarp]

the . the entire mesa? all of it . ?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

the native in the mesa

[molten escarp]

okeg

[hybrid gazelle]

the problem in the native mesa is that like

literally their existence just unneeded and even weird

cause they exist BEFORE CORRUPTION WAR

oR EVEN LIKE

before anything

so it just weird that they stay EXTACTLY the same

in 1000 AP

and even then in game they

barely do anything

like they literally do anything at all, nto even potential for some expansion

I pretty sure many people I talk to when I making wartorn project

like all agree that native in the mesa can be just remove with 0 consequence to make space for bandits lore

[dim plover]

I mean to be fair so does the desert lore

Nevermind I didn’t read everything
Ignore this

[hybrid gazelle]

well they are under the sand for a reason

[graceful fox]

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[spring kernel]

never seen the russian version before

[graceful fox]

I haven't either

[raw badge]

Not gonna lie, I'm not sure if there's any lore I need to catch up on before Fruma comes, but I know there was a splinter group according to Relos' Secret Library, although I am still curious as to have a recap of lore before the events of well - the player's journey. I'm not sure what Aledar and Tasim were doing prior to being convicted and eventually exiled, but for us? Its unknown. However, I do feel like there could also be things about Bak'al, and possibly his backstory (keep in mind I don't consider AHC canon in any way) prior to well - the SE's Ultimate Discovery, although I'm not sure if we'll ever be able to visit Dern in a way similar to visiting the Realm of Light, although this might be possible as our character is basically neither good nor bad (essentially True Neutral in D&D terms), although there could have been some sneak peek in Fantastic Voyage...

[candid cliff]

that took a while

More quests with optional tasks please !

[quartz mist]

you actually can also finish any ones you don't do post-quest as well iirc

[candid cliff]

That's interesting

And even cooler

Mini quests but not boring

[quartz mist]

tbh I wanted to have even more post-quest stuff there to try n fill out orc/goblin culture in ways i couldnt with the time i had but that was a suuuuuuper backburner thing

[candid cliff]

Still a great job

[quartz mist]

like, I kinda wanted you to be able to revisit the medicine game for rewards

help zuett with his medical training and cure orcs of varying afflictions

[candid cliff]

I can see that

Zuett does say he hopes to see human soon after the ceasefire is written

So it's not an out of window idea by any means anyway

Kreimu also says that Zuett is still young and needs to get used to the profession in her task

I don't see reasons to not revisit it at some point

[quartz mist]

the only reason is other stuff's way mre important

[candid cliff]

Well yeah, there's a lot of old quests in need of a remake

And Frumas still there as well

[dreamy widget]

Is salted(or Bovine) a cow or a woc?

[slim belfry]

a cow

[dim plover]

He’s salt

Obviously

[molten escarp]

some king of salted salmon

[vestal rivet]

the undead in the sand-swept tomb dungeon
is it some ancient sandpeople magic or is that corruption that brought them back?

[hybrid gazelle]

I actually forgot about it

Idk but let’s say corruption

[cold cove]

Does anyone know for certain what the Mad Explorer's note in the hidden valley section of the hidden city is referring to?

The only thing i can think of for the sorcerer mentioned is the one from A Marauder's Dues

and the only thing I can think of for guilds is the Sodeta guild leaving for Gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah it's from message of a bottle

where sodeta guild going to fight the wizard guy from marauder's due

and then like

the entire guild turn into a husk

[cold cove]

Oh shit no way

[hybrid gazelle]

what a sad way to go man, fucking die by racist wizard

[cold cove]

well

that explains it

many thanks

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK why they even give that one guy that much relevant

who the fuck even remember Dramele

[cold cove]

I only remembered because I was levelling and doing those quests lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah like

it such a weird put important like I do not mind it that much

I just like

why the guy specifically

[cold cove]

I mean he did say that he had control over like all of the bandits in the canyon

the number ingame is probably pretty heavily exaggerated but thats still a lot

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah but it make sense

but like

why that guy specifically

like does anyone remember Dramele?

[cold cove]

absolutely not

[hybrid gazelle]

like okay

I will get this out first

I dont mind wynncraft putting some relevancy on lesser character

like they done before and it's good

they are pretty well done

but my problem with Dramele is that they put death in one of major background character death to be cause by Dramele

like

Dramale got more aura in his background story

than he is in his own fucking quest

like there so much important
for a character that literally so unmemorable

anotehr problem I have with this is that this role could be given to Dullahan

like they both soul magic user who are dangerous

[candid cliff]

Cotl is kinda far though, he can barely influence people outside the castle

[hybrid gazelle]

it just Dullahan have more potential, well known and liked, and also exist as local legend alrady

which it weird because the last time they give dullahan relevancy

it's fucking Forbidden Prison quest

and it barely did anything for him, or make it worse if you look into the quest

so it just odd that Dramele, a fucking nobody got ths pretty decent lore building around him on otherwise extremely forgettable character

while Dullahan got like

one quest that hated by teh community and another quest that essentaily lead to nothing

like damn they do not like Dullahan, huh

[candid cliff]

someday we'll unlock the door and put him to rest

damn didn't know immolation has rickeo lore

that's so cool

[hybrid gazelle]

oh wait wait wiat I forgot Frobidden prison did give DUllahan something

thato ne thing is that implication he give birth

which is funny so like I take it

[cold cove]

???

wha

clarify

please

[hybrid gazelle]

this from the theory that warden of wisdom and the elf warden from the quest are related becuase of the warden part of their name

and CT I talk to there is relation between them

with the fact that warden of wisdom are this

meat monster

humounculus is possiblity of what they are

and the elf warden might be more complete

and the thing is that

the warden is elf

[cold cove]

mayhaps

[hybrid gazelle]

which would not work in villager prison

so the only logical explaination

to why the warden is an elf despite being created

or IMPLY to be created

is because Dullahan give birth to her

So Dullahan Mpreg theory has some leg

[cold cove]

y'know what

sure

why not

I'll promote this theory

[hybrid gazelle]

yerah becuase if you say the warden is created

then like why would she be an elf?

that like counter productive right?

like elf in villager prison that feel very unlikely

so the only explaination is that the elf part is necessery therefore it could be likely Dullahan is the one give birth to her himself

[candid cliff]

Are there any other mythics giving lore on existing characters?

[regal spire]

I wish the warden covered bits of itself more, to better imply it’s some kind of homunculus creation

[hybrid gazelle]

Forbidden Prison is truly example of vauge lore posting that amount to nothing

[regal spire]

Imagine removing its helmet, and it’s some chimera of bits and pieces of dullahan mashed together with metal and past prisoners

I wouldn’t mind seeing Dullahan basically completely unrecognizable from his showings in his SD’s. Better showcase how bad his affliction has gotten

[hybrid gazelle]

TOo lazy to write shti again to here summary of the lore
"exploring the idea of cockatrice and the dernal olmic construct I talk about long ago
this intereptation have cockatrice being descended of a construct created by olms in dernal jungle
so basiclaly
originalyl the basilik were olmic creation with the use of DNA of man ycreatures that now extinct in Dernel Jungle
it meant to be one of the security to ensure olm's safety against Dern during their say in the jungle
but after olms fall from their insanity
some basilik manage to leave the jungle and shed their construct trait to be a living creature
but still retain their augment such as fire breathing and other trait"

[solid fable]

I like this idea

[candid cliff]

canary calls is peak

[violet anvil]

gang why is this the first message i see when i open the channel

[violet anvil]

2/10 ragebait

[warm adder]

canary calls is interesting

[regal spire]

Canary Calls is dope, what’re you on about

[viscid mica]

canary calls is amazing wdym

[digital swan]

canary calls top 5 quest

the only problem that most people have with it is that the minecart section requires skill

like who ever complains about the actual boss
and the story is unquestionably fire

[onyx smelt]

I got the pity skip option after failing so many times my first play through 😭

[digital swan]

there's tons of Old Birds wandering around Corkus, right and we know that Old Birds are developed by spacefaring humans from the Bestiary entry so then did the Corkians even have a proficiency for electromagic
was it learned from bots that were already there or are Frumans and therefore Corkians and all other humans descended from the same group of spacefaring humans and so they knew already

[hybrid gazelle]

they just reference ot old bird from lethal company

they are not literal old bird

it does not mean corkian develop speace faring

[regal spire]

Lmao, I thought they were inspired by the rock golems from RoR2

[hybrid gazelle]

nope they are inspired by lethal company

[digital swan]

nah the ancestors of the Humyns from the Moon developed spacefaring but they're mutated humans the corkians are the evolutionary siblings of the Humyns

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[hybrid gazelle]

god you are annoying

[slim belfry]

nobody should let you cook but sure I guess

[candid cliff]

thats the best minigame in wynn

the inclusion of secrets makes it all the nicer too

[candid cliff]

the old quests really do feel like some kind of stage play huh

it all plays out so slowly compared to the newer ones

[regal spire]

They feel like traditional MMO quests

Mid and lame, usually fetch quests

Or “go here and come back”

They need something unique tied to them, like how the new tutorial quests have

[candid cliff]

the new tutorial quests having their own animations is crazy

like aledar falling from the cliff

[regal spire]

Enzan’s brother is already more interesting of a quest than something like Dead Island or Lost Tower

[candid cliff]

sayleros quest is pretty good

[digital swan]

which one is lost tower again

[regal spire]

Mhm, another case of a unique quest with a fun lil dungeon attached to it

[regal spire]

Grab book from maze

[storm sage]

remind me what year villagers arrived in wynn

sorry thats such a random question

[dim plover]

Mild criticism of that weird walk Aledar does when you help him up from the bridge though

Why is it so weirdly smooth

Why do his limbs have joints

Hell, even the guard’s animation when you kill the zombie at the end of the quest has non-bending limbs

Why does Aledar’s rotate so smoothly

[candid cliff]

come to think of it garateth & annihilation are really similiar

[candid cliff]

I don't remember it

can't wait for Gavel Reborn Squared

[heavy sapphire]

900 AP

which is crazy recent

Selchar was founded 30 years before the start of the game!

[dim plover]

Tbh when I saw Garaheth he instantly reminded me of the Balrog

(Which is wild because I’ve never actually watched Lord of the Rings)

My only real exposure to it outside of the movie clip itself is it being an enemy in Block Story

[spring kernel]

a quest so old salted made it

[woeful abyss]

Lost tower aka struggle to move for 60 seconds then beat the quest

[slim belfry]

oh gosh that quest

[molten escarp]

ain't that one the
"There's a Book in that EVIL Tower can you go get it"
and you go to the tower and walk through some 1 wide tunnels
eledef wall the damage from the necromancer boss
walk back
done

[candid cliff]

yes

[regal spire]

Rotten necromancer has no elemental attacks

It’s just a multihit, and a very pitiful melee

[molten escarp]

I. ok I swear it did TW damage and had a ranged basic attack

and that it was hitting me for like 4 damage with obolus

[regal spire]

You swear nothing, RN is a useless boss enemy and only has the advantage of being in a 1 by 1 space

(I have indeed almost died by it because of the way mobs spawn)

[regal spire]

It is ranged, though, I misremembered that

And it still sucks, somehow lmao

[nocturne nimbus]

That was changed like a year ago

[dim plover]

Oh nice

[chilly tulip]

Lari did try telling people about the parasite right? And they just didn’t believe her? Because after a long enough time and the larger proliferation of magic you’d think that if the parasite was know about more people would be concerned and try to deal with it right?

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly no idea about that one cause surpirsingly world building part of ROL story just not there

but if I were to guess

I can see that parasite spawns are just known to general public as being cause of decay

and so far villagers shown to be stubborn when Lair dealing with them

so I guess yeah no one could believer

but then again like

I have no fucking idea

[regal spire]

Lari seems to have zero backbone and doesn’t bother explaining anything to them without a “but! But!”

[hybrid gazelle]

This is the classic elf writing that every writers have for some reason

soit not apply to Lari

IDK why writers all fucking wrote elf like this is get tiring where this supposely high intelligent spieces just literally could not explain a bi

like yeah sure you could say it's ego problem but like it's become so common it just so tiring to see

[regal spire]

I don’t think ego problem is even a good enough explanation anymore. It’s obviously not justified, but I seriously don’t think you can even justify the reasoning for such a choice

[hybrid gazelle]

NGL It such a hard time to talk about ROL for me

[regal spire]

This might be one of the more egregious problems with RoL

[hybrid gazelle]

because it just

the quest writing is so weird because it feel like they really want Lari to be hated

but it not

like they did not want that

it just ROL crunch time so badly they just essentially throw a half cook story

but like it hard to believe that because everything Lari does kinda justify people hating her

but even then Orphion exist if you look into it

so like IDK anymore man

like is this what the writer intended?

or did they run out of time and forgot

ROL is such a weird questline man so tragic for like a main storyline yet heavily crunch

I hope that they learn from this and make Fruma better

cause IDK how this the main story of the update got fuck over

[candid cliff]

other quests than RoL do put Lari in a much better light

[hybrid gazelle]

One of the root issue of ROL is that they overdone in trying to show Lari flaw

Lari conceptually meant to be flawed character that develop her character arc

the problem to this is that they spent 3-4 quests in showing Lari flaw

and only have time for 1 quest to improve her character

which is NEVER enough

also despite having so much cameos, Lari has a bad acase where she got many but NONE of her cameos does her any good or make up for the fuckery that is ROL

[digital swan]

wait what RoL 5 was supposed to improve Lari's character

she's just as pacifist as before she just has the player do 90% of the dirty work

even for Bakal she's still pulling her punches

(unfortunately Bakal is so weak it actually scares him off what a loser)

[chilly tulip]

Do you think they’ll add more mandatory World Events to the game? I just went through Bane of the Great Bridge on a new playthrough, and it was pretty cool having a boss fight outside of a quest or dungeon. Especially since it tied into all of the Twain stuff that I finished up is Nessak right before it, so it felt like an extra cool treat

[digital swan]

not a world event, world encounter

or whatever they call it

[slim belfry]

yeah world encounter

there will probably be more in the future

[hybrid gazelle]

If we talk about world encounter

[digital swan]

there's 3 required right

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeha I hope they use it more

[digital swan]

but one is bugged

[hybrid gazelle]

Many place could have better impression with world encounter

Repeatable or not

[digital swan]

Corrupted Goliath, Bane of the Great Bridge

and according to wiki The Unified Gnome at entrance to light forest? But it's never appeared nor have I seen images or videos of it
If someone else here hadn't mentioned it I might have thought it was a hoax

[chilly tulip]

It exists

You can get some pants out of it

You basically just walk up to a bunch of houses and the gnomes living there come out and combine into a big gnome

I think it’s just a Gravity Falls reference

[slim belfry]

I still think about tree island encounter

[chilly tulip]

Which one is that

[digital swan]

old druid

[dim plover]

I feel like if it was they would turn into a custom model where it’s this large hulking beast that’s composed of all the gnomes mashed together

This one’s more like funny fusion into big gnome

From what I remember

[digital swan]

it's the only person in the game who dies naturally

[hybrid gazelle]

I have entire idea dedicated to to expand the world through npc

But I might include world encounter as part of the project

I have not make it into full doc yet

[chilly tulip]

At the very least the Great Bridge one is a cool way of unlocking the Jungle

I don’t know if it’s possible to do that for other areas though

Just from how they’re laid out and all

The closest thing I can think of is that boss in A Journey Beyond but that’s part of a quest so I don’t think it counts

[digital swan]

also the boss in AJB is stupid

dies in like 5 hits, deals no damage, is slow as balls while being melee

[dim plover]

Which one?

There’s like, 3

[digital swan]

the boss he's talking about

[candid cliff]

Wtf

I need to see that

[chilly tulip]

Is there a lore reason Ragni is as small as it is? It’s been over 100 years since Bak’al was pushed back, and with the influx of Fruma soldiers you would think that the corruption forces could at least be pushed away from the city

[hybrid gazelle]

beside it being very outdated build, you could explain that majority of the kingdom was pretty much farmland due to its location being more suited for that purpose

so instead of huge ass city and wall, everything went to farm

also according to Sewer of Ragni

Ragni still have problem with corruption pushing them further into the capital

hence you can see wit hthe tutorial

[candid cliff]

also just building & time limitations)

of course builders could go crazy and make it the size of texas but updates would come out every decade

[digital swan]

i mean they kinda kick all the incoming soldiers out in like 0 time

[candid cliff]

It doesn't activate for me

rip

[misty folio]

gng

aledar looks so jacked and different

when i saw him in quest a journey beyond

[candid cliff]

[chilly tulip]

They do have their own soldiers as well, even though they’re not all by Ragni. They have some stationed by Llievgar, so they clearly have some actually Ragni forces besides the barebones defensive ones

[hybrid gazelle]

Ignoring Wynncraft questionable protrayal of millitary force aside

it more lielly that ragni will train the new fruman recruits

before actually adding them as part of their millitary fully

or sending the recruits to replenish other army consider their entire purpose is to give wynn more mens

[empty sparrow]

you think we'll get to explore the slums

[hybrid gazelle]

probably yeah

[chilly tulip]

Do we know if the playrr character is an actual person or just an avatar of the player? Avatar as in someone just inserted into the world I mean. Because your soul does kinda talk to you in Point of No Return, but it makes sense if the player character wasn’t “real” with the whole inability to see our memories. I’d have to look at the wiki some more later to fully lay out the thought, so idk if I’m just rambling about nothing or not

[regal spire]

As of now, they’re just a self insert with goofy dialogue options

Everything could change in Fruma, though

[slim belfry]

only type of direction we get from the player is facial expressions and attitude

that's been emphasized in different quests

[chilly tulip]

Ok that makes sense, just was thinking about how Fruma could alude to player backstory stuff, or choose to completely ignore it

Honestly either would be fine I think

As long as the player isn’t some lost royal or rebel leader or something, that feels like it would be too much yknow?

[regal spire]

I still feel like we’re gonna be revealed to have had a manufactured life

(If we have anything revealed)

[vestal rivet]

Picard's comment about the memoriesnotfound.orb error be like

[digital swan]

I still think Wynn would be better if it was more federal than

what is it?

confederal is the word?

Like rather than having it look a lot like a bunch of sovereign city-states that have some limited relations and individual kings

Just have one King in Ragni and make the rest have mayors

and instead of __ soldier just have Wynn soldier

at the very least it would make more sense for soldiers to be something like "hey we're restationing a bunch of soldiers from region A to region B" than "hey Romania here have 50 thousand raw recruits from us"

[whole river]

Tbf they’re not all soldiers and many are like prisoners/exiles right?

[digital swan]

they're both

Storm Vs

[chilly tulip]

I think it makes sense for it to be more of a city state structure based on the fact that the larger forces under Bak’al seemed to have only been halted 100 years ago, and before that circulation was under constant attack. So it would make sense in at least some way for authority to be focused predominantly around cities, with it starting to expand outward. I do that the army was more so called something like “The Wynnic League” which would be made up of soldiers from these different city states, and any soldiers at a city themselves are just [City Name] Guard.

[digital swan]

I guess before but definitely not after

[chilly tulip]

It would make some sense for Troms to be kind of separate though, considering distance and its relative stability

You either have to go through Nessak, the bridge, and the jungle or through the canyon, so logistically it’s more tough to integrate them

[digital swan]

like they'd have too little time to be any semblance of stable so short after war

[digital swan]

autonomous military district troms?

what is up with troms honestly

[chilly tulip]

I mean, Troms feels the most “Kingdom-like” to me if that makes any sense

It’s separated, has a more distinct authority, and the military there seems to know what they’re doing

[digital swan]

the entire city has soldiers everywhere and every citizen has like no hair

[chilly tulip]

Stress maybe, who knows

[digital swan]

it's way too militarized to be anything short of like

[chilly tulip]

To be fair I think most cities in Wynncraft suffer from too little civilian infrastructure due to size limits

[digital swan]

no other city has a military presence even approaching troms

all the streets have soldiers on them

[chilly tulip]

That’s true

Does that have to do with the proximity to the Undergrowth dungeon and/or its history involving corruption raids and the founding of Guilds?

Because like until Bob showed up they were getting pretty hammered

[digital swan]

Elkurn has more raids

surely

[chilly tulip]

Logically it should

[digital swan]

and the closest city to a dungeon is undoubtedly corkus

neither are as overdefended

[chilly tulip]

Hm

[digital swan]

I think it's gotta be a super militaristic country if it is a country of its own

or an army administered district

[chilly tulip]

Maybe it has to do with Temple of Legends stuff too? Do we know how old that place is

[chilly tulip]

Also yeah that makes the most sense

[digital swan]

it checks out with Skien I guess

but that doesn't explain how Skien has an island on the other side of the map

[chilly tulip]

The move out must’ve been a pain

[digital swan]

which is part of why I think it's still a part of the Wynn federation if you can call it that but it's a special district

it makes some sense ig to move a general from a military post to another military post

[chilly tulip]

But yeah Troms can be like a seperate entity. Almuj, Deltas, and Ragni should definitely be under that hypothetical “Wynn Federation”

[digital swan]

the issue is then that skien's island should be a naval post not an army post

[chilly tulip]

Hm

Skiens was a prison first right

[digital swan]

like OZAK or smtj

[digital swan]

it has cannons

I think it's a naval base with a prison under it

[chilly tulip]

The villagers arrived around 900 AP right?

[digital swan]

ye

after the mages calmed the waves or wharreer

[chilly tulip]

So is Skiens island older than that then?

[digital swan]

Can't be, waves weren't calmed yet

so it would have been inaccessible

unless they used airships

which we don't have a date on

[candid cliff]

Which race would you call the strongest by default? As in, they were born this strong

[digital swan]

the problem is before 900 there would be no airship traffic in that area

unless the Skyraiders were active

Skyraiders are pretty human looking

so I suppose it could be possible that Skyraiders had set up shop by entering through the passes into eastern Gavel

and the Wynn government had followed with airships of their own

[steel geyser]

I’d say the dernic creatures if you count that as a race. But otherwise maybe the doguns?

[candid cliff]

That's what brought the idea to me

With nothing but themselves & some help of the dragons they were able to destroy & push back dwarven armies for hundreds of years

In the MH Ultimate Discovery 1 Dogun is destroying a group of dwarves

And in D&D Part 4 even though their numbers are highly outnumbered they're still doing great

[steel geyser]

I mean they probably would be powerful, since they can be portrayed as demons. So, they would be decently powerful

Otherwise no one would take the “demon” thing seriously

[candid cliff]

Not powerful but probably one of the most durable would be Touroto's

[hybrid gazelle]

If we counting dernic creature than should not there be light creature

Honestly I don’t think dernic creature should even count because they are more otherworldly eneities

Than truly sapience race

Demons stuff are mostly propaganda but doguns seems to be quite magically capable

Idk strong in this context need to be more specific

But like consider magic need to be taught

We can count magic out because it take time to learn it rather than have it right out of the gate

So that narrow the race to orcs or humans

That pretty much it

We don’t know much about doguns but they seems to be magic centric

[slim belfry]

also supposedly made of the same as colossi and garaheth

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider they still put out by cold water bucket

It kinda like

It kinda hard to gauge their power lmao

[candid cliff]

Well everyone has a weakness

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah doguns could be there

[candid cliff]

Player gets roughed up by a random flower

[hybrid gazelle]

It either orcs, trolls, or doguns

It either of those 3

[candid cliff]

Do we know anything about trolls other than surface knowledge

[hybrid gazelle]

Other spieces are too magic centric to be born right away

Well they related to orc and

They known for their endurance

[candid cliff]

Yeah, orcs literally have to use special materials for their books, simply because the human/villager ones break easily in their hands

[candid cliff]

I see

A quest with them wouldn't be bad, considering how many structures they have throughout the canyon

Though from the descriptions they seem to not bother the citizens of it

[hybrid gazelle]

“Green skins” have the unfortunate where they all so scatter throughout the region thst they can’t utilize the unique part of them which is they all are part of the same culture

Do orc only get to interact with goblins

While orge and trolls left in the dust

And pretty much filler mobs while orge just meme shitpost material

Trolls just exist

[obsidian bane]

is corrupted amadel a remnant from before portal theory was created to explain the corruption?
actually that doesn't make sense cause the nether portal was already there
why does amadel have a "corrupted" phase where he becomes a pigman

[vestal rivet]

I think it has to do with models?

before 1.16, zombie pigman models didn't have those weirdly shaped heads that stuck out of player head items

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

and also zombie pigmen also being use for one of the employee

[obsidian bane]

so it was the only way to get a helmet on him? and he's just never been touched since

[hybrid gazelle]

zombie pigmen model back then literally just a way for them to hgave "human"

because pigmen have skin color

and not green like zombie

[obsidian bane]

damn

I hope he gets a huge rework

rekindled style

[hybrid gazelle]

here example of this

[obsidian bane]

he's literally like half way to being a god

[hybrid gazelle]

THe ysaid that if amadel getting rework

it will come along with entire of Wynnex

[obsidian bane]

hell yeah
as long as the basic plot doesn't explode

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh entire wynnex deserve remake from the very gorund up anyway

I do think the whole mcguffin crystal feel very generic and there for the sake of it rather thanw anting to expand the world

[regal spire]

He’s so kind, always giving hugs

[slim belfry]

holy shoot has wynnex gotten any changes throughout the years

[hybrid gazelle]

defintiely do be tiring when wynncraft back thne literally just "Something happen? Well crystal does it"

to the point we got liek what

many crystals in wynncraft now

and they just do completely different thing with nothing relate to one another

[regal spire]

Yes, it got a slight dialogue change for 1.14, and then 1.20 I think. It also got the Olm mobs, and then it got some model changes in 1.14 as well

And Amadel digs

[hybrid gazelle]

i once have idea for hwo wynnex rework gonna go

I deifnitely wanna give my own take on Wynnex remake later on

[slim belfry]

I remember a page on the old wynn wiki cataloguing different crystals and trimmed because it was seen as non sense lol

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it definitely feel like

creativity bankrupcy

than geniune writing

[slim belfry]

that random glass structure in this cave? on the crystal page

[hybrid gazelle]

even the CT I talk to saying like

[vestal rivet]

the standards have changed
let's put it that way

[hybrid gazelle]

the crystal just product of its time

which I definitely agree with

yeah

the standard have change

I hope the crystal get replace by something more meaningful

because the crystali n wynnex as of right now is ltierally just

mcguffins

in every sense of the word

[vestal rivet]

wynnxcevation can get replaced entirely for all I care lol
all of the quests related to it are so old

[obsidian bane]

they could make the relationship with the ancient desert stuff more solid and that would help at least a bit
maybe tie the red one into sarnfic
cause they are supposed to have had an impact

[hybrid gazelle]

the funyn thing that now you mention it

[obsidian bane]

like if the 4 quests, or at least 3 of them, were not just getting the shards but exploring how they impacted the ancient civilisations

[regal spire]

Wynn Exc Site C might be another one of the oldest quests in the game

[vestal rivet]

the random shoe-in with that one SE mining tunnels discovery is also weird

[regal spire]

As far as I’m aware, there have been zero changes to it

[hybrid gazelle]

My idea for Wynnex remake is just replacing the crystal with fragment of olmic artifact

[regal spire]

Similar to Dead Island

[obsidian bane]

and wrecks teh timeline!

[hybrid gazelle]

I remember a CT mention that like literally it just there

for no reason
IDK

I forgot what they said

but it definitely weird inclusion

[vestal rivet]

Selvut vision returning?

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah this is a rough sketch

but the crystals replaced by olmic artifact fragment that Olms used to escape Dern

[regal spire]

Selvut’s vision basically never got realized for SE, anyway

[vestal rivet]

he told me of his original Obsessor concept
as well as the original idea as to what would happen to Elphaba lol

[hybrid gazelle]

and they scatter it through out time and space which is why it ended up in all places

[regal spire]

It seemed super exciting, too. Bring more of it, please

[vestal rivet]

they escaped from where

olms are like
the elf equivalent for the dark then?
but they ran instead of worshipping

[hybrid gazelle]

?

IDK lol

but sure

[obsidian bane]

I don't think tthe elves come from the realm of light?

[vestal rivet]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

no I think they meant

spieces in relation with their respective realm

Elves worship the Light

[vestal rivet]

they at least know of it and have the capacity to travel even if they never do so

[hybrid gazelle]

Olm fear the Dark

Olm having relation with Dern Beast before the attack could make sense

cause space is literally just empty space of darkness

their use of cosmic magic may have some relation with Dern Beast

[vestal rivet]

in terms of Olmic stuff
Time Valley is their ruins and so is most of the stuff in Dernel Jungle, and all of the stuff in SE too
do we have anything else?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[slim belfry]

||tw*light theory||

[vestal rivet]

we need a lore buff to help rewrite some of wynn's oldest stuff still lol

after fruma we just get a thousand more rekindled world updates

slowly redoing 1-2 areas at a time again

we alr saw a partial nemract swamp one sooo

[hybrid gazelle]

I already expand al ot of olms stuff for wartgorn

I still want toe xpand the idea of dernal jungle being more olm related

like the entire jungle being modified and transform by olms as battle fortress

[vestal rivet]

makign dernel jungle more olm stuff to replace the tribals could be a good direction to get rid of the stereotyping ig

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I just make tribal people a descendent of olms

I think that a way to keep them without like

making them feel like a check list

[vestal rivet]

then tromsi jungle is just like
the more "civilized" part with way less ruings strewn about

ok yeah I agree with you

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea of Cockatrice being magical creature created by the olms

something along that line

with explain why they feel out of place despite WYnn lack of magical presence liek in Gavel

becuase

IDK about you

but chicken and snake hybrid wthat can fire breathing

is pretty magical

[vestal rivet]

wynn feels more like doom like you said before

whereas gavel goes all in on the fantasy setting

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

I imagine like

also fountain of youth also created by the olms

like I am happy with what i did with fountain of youth in wartorn

because now it's this attempt done by olms to revert their memories

to rid themselves from remembering about dern

but it never work

[vestal rivet]

yeah
just recontextualize everything in dernel to be olmic sounds cool enough
instead of... purple gem spirit invading child's body, and whatever entamis is

[hybrid gazelle]

so the fountain just left what it is

I recontextualize the entamis tree as heart of the jungle

[vestal rivet]

wynntils doesn't have a marker for the entamis village for some reason which very slightly bugs me

like I know where it is I just have no default map marker marking it

[hybrid gazelle]

this probably bit of self indulge but I remake entamis tree quest entirely

where i replace parasite downgrade to a devil that once encounter Bob during his stay in the jungle

[vestal rivet]

wynn's #1 threat is very obviously the corruption
so the amount of time you spend in wynn fighting NOT the corruption is a little weird too

[unique hill]

cool :d

[hybrid gazelle]

corruption definitely need more relevancy in Wynn

[vestal rivet]

ok the skull face is cool I just noticed that now

[hybrid gazelle]

consider it like

very underutilize LOL

that why I have nai dea to make Charon main villain in Nemract

make Hashr reanimated by corruption

[vestal rivet]

Charon better be like
a general of Bak'al or smthn

[hybrid gazelle]

Corruption should be like at least the main driving point

[vestal rivet]

just something so he isn't separated and his own weird thing

also
Haros exists
apparently undead can break off???

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon either a general work under Bak'al or a corrupted that exist alongside Bak'al

yeah

my rewrite for Charon is that he is almgation of the surviving miners that throw themselves into the pit

[vestal rivet]

then what tf is Haros

[hybrid gazelle]

he once work under Charon so like

canon wise IDK

but in my take he just one of Charon's gravelord

that split off

[vestal rivet]

he broke off somehow, which undead generally don't do

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess that what happen when undead that capable to lead band up together

confict will rose on who get to take charge

and if netiehr one of them end up dead, one of them left and form their own army

[vestal rivet]

ah yes corruption army reproduction
mitosis

[hybrid gazelle]

like in my intereptation

I just split corrupted undead into 2 category

fodders which are the one that cant lead

and warlords which is the one that can lead

I feel like maybe it depend on the will of a person?

like this is just my guess ofc

[vestal rivet]

ok it's late where I live I should've gone to bed more than half an hour ago bye

[hybrid gazelle]

that depend their corrupted counterpart gain indepedency

alright

[vestal rivet]

talk again later

[dim plover]

Do we know where Creepers in Wynncraft come from

Since the RoL thing was retconned

[chilly tulip]

What was the original vision?

[slim belfry]

seems like a lot of stuff never got fully realized

[quartz mist]

it was specifically about the things going on in A Journey Beyond, not the whole of SE

that is a crazy amt of exaggeration

basically, id wanted elphaba's death when you found her to be instead a mercykill, under the assumption that the irriticks would've caused cancerous mutations on her to feed off of, leaving her alive but in constant unending agony as the bugs crawled within and ate her from the inside out while her body continually regenerated. this was not gone for, with the understandable reasoning of being way too extreme

and just look up from: Selvut283 obsessor

im tired n dont wanna type everything out again

[whole river]

I think anni alone shows that devils are by far the strongest as a solo unit ngl.

[hybrid gazelle]

but we talk about sapient

and like devils can hardly consider sapient LMAOO

it similar reasoning of exclusion as dernic and light entities

they are more of entities than a creature and there just wide variety of them under their "spieces" term to the point it act more like umbellar term

[shut hornet]

man thats fucked

that scene is already upsetting enough as it is

[chilly tulip]

Just read through it, and yeah, understandable

[primal mauve]

genuinely wish they had gone with this

way better than the scene we have now

it would also set up the aledear scene better

[digital swan]

gwhar

literally nothing happens in the current one tho

just a couple red particles and

[candid cliff]

That'd be a cool scene

[digital swan]

a chestplate

[shut hornet]

its not like actually that bad its just pretty gorey considering that. yknow. this is a minecraft server

[candid cliff]

Garvan head explodes

Btw

[digital swan]

on the other hand making roiling meatball elphaba sounds hard

[shut hornet]

you have to remember a lot of the people playing wynn are kids

[candid cliff]

Hollow Serenity & discoveries linked to it is a proof this stuff can be done and everyone will like it

[regal spire]

AJB made SE for me, regardless of what proceeded it. It’s the introduction to, imo, the most enticing part of the region, and I would’ve loved to see how insane of a change to first time explorers if what you had before was their first impression

[shut hornet]

hollow serenity is really not gory at all

[digital swan]

well actually a bit more oblong ig

[shut hornet]

you can argue the same about ajb but like.. its made more impactful by the fact that this is a friend character that you knew

[regal spire]

Ig Ways of the Wicked is kinda gory. Dead bird, severed hands, headless body

[digital swan]

he wanted to kill us

nah

[shut hornet]

not talking about HS

[digital swan]

not headless just giant hole in head

[hybrid gazelle]

Most of AJB stuff is shock value so far but yeah these kind of scene could make the quest better

liek COULD

hard to imagine rn bucause feeling these scene could be undermine when like

Elphaba chasing her own liver

[digital swan]

ye for ajf doesn't he Also want to kill us

[hybrid gazelle]

and like AJB character dying in weird way

[regal spire]

By AJF, he’s decided against it

[candid cliff]

Elphaba falling for it isn't really bad considering real players fall for it

[digital swan]

by ajb tho he fully intends to

[regal spire]

Elphalba just wasn’t strong enough to fight it back

Alfalfa

[candid cliff]

Neither are we

[regal spire]

Elephant

[hybrid gazelle]

You dont really going to get back your liver LOL

like

I am not sure if it's illusion with pain or not

[digital swan]

you can't tho irtitacks kinda just attack you they don't steal your liver until you're dead

[hybrid gazelle]

but if your liver rip out

you probably shock from the pain

[regal spire]

Ig if it was 4 orcs that took our liver…

[shut hornet]

aledars death isnt gorey i was talking about elphaba

[hybrid gazelle]

but if no pain involve

you would be confuse the lack of pain

[candid cliff]

4 orcs>qira

[hybrid gazelle]

like IDK man I feel like Elphaba death is really weird and silly no matter how you look into it

[digital swan]

elphaba ALSO wants to kill us tho

[regal spire]

Mon liver

[hybrid gazelle]

like she probably the worst written death in AJB so far

[digital swan]

after we helped her with the outpost btw

[hybrid gazelle]

Lucio is weird because I expected more from experienced adventurer

IDK I feel like most AJB death feel like it's the fault of the character's incompetence rather than SE being outright alien to them

[regal spire]

Lucio mirrors the old Aledar

[shut hornet]

irrelevant because you dont have that context at that point in the story

[regal spire]

Ig that’s why he’s like that

[shut hornet]

im talking about fucked-ness of scenes from a player perspective

[digital swan]

well Aledar's is less a skill issue and more a

[regal spire]

Worm-issue

[digital swan]

actually you're right it's also a skill issue how do you not notice a worm

[hybrid gazelle]

ibut yeah these scene could make AJB feel more fucked

IDK I just

[shut hornet]

selvuts idea is horrifying in a great way but like definitely too far for wynn

[digital swan]

that's gotta be loud

[hybrid gazelle]

AJB is a weird quest because sometime it feel like they attempt to add some humor in it

in other wise scene that

do not need it

[regal spire]

What if you had display entity censor bars around the bad parts

Analog Horror the whole thing lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

it's similar case to Cana Abis

[digital swan]

wtf

[regal spire]

I saw what you typed

[digital swan]

why is it blocked

[regal spire]

And I’m not happy

[regal spire]

Cause it’s mean

[digital swan]

can't have shit in Detlas

[candid cliff]

Idk I don't really get your problem with it

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly I stop bother reading so I dont know wtf they saying

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK it's double edge sword

[digital swan]

I mean surely they can make some of the deaths more gory

than red particles

[hybrid gazelle]

because it definitely would contribute to the shock value problem that AJB has

[digital swan]

even if not, they can add a toggle no

[candid cliff]

Of course it feels worse because we've met the person beforehard but Eileen is a child so its even worse, and if you tell Katherine the truth she murders an entire village

Child that was forced into it

[digital swan]

from red particles to exploding fleshmob

[regal spire]

I mean, Aledar is killed by us, so maybe a few animations of him recoiling, and Lucio is taken by the hive mind, so maybe him reacting to the hold the Obsessor has on him would work. Otherwise, what else would you even do

[digital swan]

they're really shifty aren't the villagers not the most innocent

[hybrid gazelle]

the guy is just a troll btw

just give up the convo and do something else

[candid cliff]

The parents yes I'm not defending them, it's still gorey though, she gets inside of him and expands his body from within, and he literally explodes

[digital swan]

it's in the gore area of the game tho

like really close by

are pits of rotting flesh

north is a graveyard full of some weird shit

and there's even a couple dripping red piles with heads on top

like it's par for the course I think

[candid cliff]

That just strengthens my point that a hypothetical Selvut's Elphaba death wouldn't be that bad

[digital swan]

exactly

red particles and a chestplate does Not do Elphaba justice

[digital swan]

now that I think about it

yeah all three of them die to a skill issue

especially lucio, who literally does the same thing as Elphaba after just watching Elphaba go missing

I think to make it look less like Lucio's an idiot who runs off to an illusion and gets killed like

maybe they should change that to like

the whole group meets a group of armed miners who protect you against some attack and say they'll take you to Lutho safely

they lead you to a "safe tunnel through the mountain"

it's the obsessor den

or smth

[chilly tulip]

Do you think that if more quests revamps happen we’ll get more recurring characters in them? We have Tasim and Aledar in the early game, but maybe we could get some more for Nessak/Llievgar/Troms quests? The closest to this current seems to be Lanu, but she only shows up in one Almuj quests revamps happen and one Troms quest

[candid cliff]

Definitely

I also think they'll replace Lucio with one of the Almuj men

though not sure about this one

[regal spire]

If I’m remembering this right, Lucio will not be replaced. They’re likely gonna make him his own quest, though, like Elephantiasis

[candid cliff]

In Blizzard festival Tasim says he & Aledar met in the light forest & that he helped in Cinfras county, feels like a set up for future quests IMO

[candid cliff]

Fair, too

I'd like for Elphaba to have at least one more quest but she says a friend from Wynn wrote to her for help after you finish reclaiming the house so it seems like it's set in stone already

[regal spire]

I’m hopeful they’ll rewrite that and include her in another adventure

That kind of message really shouldn’t be stated until, like, maybe level 90 of 95

Actually, maybe 80, since it lines up better with Orphion, and that’s kinda the point where time slows real bad

[candid cliff]

Agreed

[chilly tulip]

I want to have a buddy cop quest with Linton and Aledar, just so I can experience more of how much Aledar hates Linton

It’s just funny to me that Aledar seems like he’d get along great with most people, but Linton really tests his patience

[slim belfry]

wait isnt linton the detlas tunnel miner

[chilly tulip]

Maybe?

[slim belfry]

I didnt even know he shows up in the mercenary

[chilly tulip]

YES IT IS

That’s amazing I didn’t even notice it was the same guy

[vestal rivet]

yeah same dude

I noticed pretty fast
easier to notice if you talk to him too as he will mention it

[chilly tulip]

Cool

The wiki still has Lanu as showing up in Kingdom of Sand even though that was changed to Junes and Lanu was moved to the undergrowth dungeon quests

[slim belfry]

yeah wiki still needs to update

a lot

[chilly tulip]

Glad it moved to wiki.gg though

The Fandom one is a nightmare

[slim belfry]

I crash on mobile going onto fandom

also had screen wide ads so when I click on anywhere it redirects

[drifting aurora]

it's a very fun dynamic for sure

linton's a fun character to write

[chilly tulip]

How did he get added to The Mercenary? Was it just a fun idea someone brought up once?

[drifting aurora]

when i was rewriting dialogue for tunnel trouble i thought it could be neat to make linton a recurring character

not much more to it than that

i like recurring characters in general

so the more the better

[regal spire]

Do you have any plans rn to return Linton in more Wynn centered quests?

He feels like a very Wynn centric guy; I wouldn’t imagine he’d want to go anywhere else

[slim belfry]

yeah I love seeing someone and going HEY IT'S YOU

[candid cliff]

I think everyone will agree

[digital swan]

linton best character, pls add him to more quests 🙏

[drifting aurora]

yeah

[digital swan]

like for example AJB instead of lucio but make him somehow survive because he is too good to be killed off ❤️

[drifting aurora]

nope

ive said this before and ill say it again but i like lucio a lot

and linton is not interchangeable with him

[digital swan]

does this mean update where lucio survives for longer than 8 minutes from his first appearance

this is also good

[limber swan]

lucio just blows stuff up

linton does too

[drifting aurora]

nope there are differences

[limber swan]

well yeah in the way they blow up stuff

[drifting aurora]

ok i dont really want to hash this out with you so bye

[candid cliff]

as long as he gets more content it's good

[candid cliff]

straight fire

I like the direction wynn is going

[hybrid gazelle]

Can’t wait for him to appear like kool aid man

I wonder how many quest he appear in because I also wanting to see Mel too

[drifting aurora]

all the mercenary characters are ones who'll show up more

[hybrid gazelle]

Amazing

[slim belfry]

whoa I hope this aledar guy shows up more

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt question

They gonna die ain’t they

[dim plover]

Why would she answer that

[quartz mist]

so theres this cool nice character

[hybrid gazelle]

No because her answer will be really funny

[quartz mist]

they die

after a long fulfilled life

in an incredibly painful way

but goes to heaven

[hybrid gazelle]

You have no fucking idea how many time Lexnt baiting Tasim death

[quartz mist]

in time for it to be invaded

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally pennywisw

[quartz mist]

rollercoaster

[regal spire]

Are you able to relay what the intended level range is for them to show? (I’ve wanted to see Mel, again, just to see another “character shaman” that potentially uses a totem—like ours—in game)

[drifting aurora]

ok well to be fair thats because its funny

[hybrid gazelle]

It is especially with Meefy

I do not know if Tasim will survive fruma story until I play the update

[regal spire]

If Tasim intends to go the revolutionary rebel leader sorta route, he may end up dying purely because that kind of development would lead him to be the new leader of a power vacuumed Fruma, if alive

We don’t have a clue what Tasim’s gonna do, though, beyond being there

So I’m just gonna assume he looks for truth, potentially seeks justice, but ends up seeing a potential good in the way Fruma is

But, then, in a twist ending, finds a way to make it better with the power of friendship

[dim plover]

Tasim will become the new Queen

(The old Queen isn’t dead or anything she just couldn’t handle Tasim’s aura)

[hybrid gazelle]

Hmmm thst could be plausible

[regal spire]

I kept imagining a silly scene where we have to save Tasim, but it just plays out like super Mario bros Wii, when you find kamek in a cage

We find tasim hanging over a pool of lava, but it’s revealed to be the Queen the whole time

And then then she empowers Ba’kal to kill us fr

[digital swan]

I try to do quests where characters die as quickly as possible

So that every character that dies has a lifespan from their first appearance of at max 10 minutes

[regal spire]

This is sorta off topic, but do you—and others involved with the story—intend to do anything about certain SD’s and quests having characters alive when they shouldn’t be? It’s not really a huge deal, but it is possible to have that happen with something like DND and AJB, where Elphaba and Dwarf-of-Name have quests involving them that just aren’t required for their interactions later on.

Not sure if this still happens with Lari for her SD’s, though

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like those SD without Lari would be nothing at all LOL

consider how Lari focus it is

that pretty much will lock players out of these SD if they finish ROL 5

[regal spire]

I think they’d have to have a special check to them that would change the discovery to a memory variant, similar to something like how they do it in Efilim’s SD

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess?

[regal spire]

It’s only 2 SD’s, so it’s not the biggest deal

[hybrid gazelle]

that probably coould work but yeah it just unnecessery

[regal spire]

Just a bit jarring to see her there, when she’s not

The only one that I can reasonably say should have a variation to it is that one with her showing how she keeps the light forest safe. That one should show a memory of her fighting a parasite, basically in the same way it’s shown with us, just with slightly different dialogue

Only because it’s entirely possible for a player to save the SD’s after the RoL questline, and it would feel sorta cheap to have her there, after her huge fight with Ba’kal

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess?

to be honest at that point I think the secrect discovery should not relying on Lari being phsyically there

most gavel SD in those area is pretty bad anyway LOL

literally most Lari SD is pretty bad as in it should not be SD in the first place

and at worst they did nothing

[vestal rivet]

SD?

[hybrid gazelle]

secrect discovery

[vestal rivet]

oh
you mean that one at the Olux Swamp map thing?

[hybrid gazelle]

that one of them yes

that pretty much

why is it even SD LOL

this should have been introductory to Olux

like first time we got proper introductory to a region and it's lock behind SD

literally most of early part of gavel deserve to get its SD remake

[chilly tulip]

Make it a world encounter

[hybrid gazelle]

world ecnoutner also can be a problem for people who just want to speedrun the game

so I say just remake some quest or make new one with similar set up

world ecnounter should be interactive and not cutscene

I think most problem behind most of Gavel SD is that they just

dont have a good idea on the lore

so most SD just filler that has no substain

[chilly tulip]

I like the Dark Forest ones

[digital swan]

Kanderregion SDs are good but they're the only really great ones

[hybrid gazelle]

I forgot about kander but I remember dark forest, Olux, and light forest generally just has bad sd

[regal spire]

Some of the dark forest SD’s are really underwhelming

I think that the one summoning circle one could’ve been more interesting. It’s a bit bland in how it just shows some dumb warlock kill himself, and nothing else

[digital swan]

Bakal's Destruction 2 and The Dogun's Defeat are the only non Kanderregion ones that are in my top 5 I think

Ways of the Wicked is top 1 by the way

(Hollow Serenity is also my favorite quest)

[regal spire]

MH Ultimate might be one of the best ones, purely for the existential dread of seeing a line up of what are essentially dead bodies strung up around you, in some kind of sadistic, malicious display. Also, the fact there’s one of the standard MC cave noises after it sells it really well

It’s a real pit you get when you hear that creepy noise, whilst being inside of a black room with a bunch of frozen doguns

Really good ambience, and absolutely sells its Ultimate status

[hybrid gazelle]

it also just do not build off anything in the world

the idea of people using "dark" magic in dark forest to avoid the eye of governemnt is nice

but the way the quest protray it just

such a boring way?

like IDK maybe it could build from the idea of Fleshcrafting where you get crazy doctor experimenting poor people that governemtn do not care

[slim belfry]

oh btw dark and kander SDs fall under the same category

[hybrid gazelle]

or people using soul magic illegal in this region

yeah it is

but I talk about SD that discover exclusively in dark forest

[slim belfry]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont remember any issue about Kander Forest discovery

[regal spire]

I’d much prefer the SD to be similar to the watch towers, where different summoning circles are activated to reveal a bit on how warlocks and dark magic actually were misused by people

[slim belfry]

oooo that'd be neat

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah anything would be better than whatever the fuck we have now LOL

it would be nice to explore what consider as "dark" magic in gavel

or to be more specific

forbidden magic

flesh crafting, or whatever

or even soul magic

that kind of world building would make the SD worth while

[slim belfry]

besides RoL and grookwarts secret is there anything else that hints to SE

[hybrid gazelle]

Fantastic voyage

fallen delievery

and yeah that al lI remember

[regal spire]

Ig that one SD

In the abandoned mines

[slim belfry]

oh right duh

[regal spire]

Y’know, it’s funny that that’s such an early SD, when the earliest Se is properly mentioned is level 60

It’s interesting to think about how that was the only SE related anything in the game, before 1.19

Maybe that’s why it was there at all

[slim belfry]

with all this dark stuff would be interesting to see what exactly makes light and dark opposites

if they are unless I'm mistaken

[digital swan]

they are

Ne du Valeos Du Ellach they're supposed to be at war no

so they are opposed at least

and they seem to be the two components of Corruption

and Corruption is chaos no

so surely they're opposites like matter and antimatter

and Corruption is the chaos like the gamma rays released by the combination of the two

[slim belfry]

dang that's a good way to put it

better understanding now

[digital swan]

if so that's unfortunately probably my good idea of the month

soooooo see you in February I'll have my next intelligent thought then

[digital swan]

since when light and dark meet at the base of the Lutho obelisk we get corruption spikes

[digital swan]

so this is probably a dumb idea but

theres three different types of portals right?

[acoustic escarp]

Yes

[digital swan]

yeah so

the light realm portal and the nameless anomaly portal are the same type

a spiral hole with beacons

the realm of dern portal itself is odd and not like any other portal

but the strange thing is

the realm of war portal is like the Gateway

[regal spire]

I would also like to know why those two just fight 24/7

[digital swan]

the portal to Gateway Realm

[regal spire]

Surely they get bored

[digital swan]

and as far as I know the Gateway Realm is an area invaded by darkness, not a part of the realm

so does that mean that beacon spiral holes teleport you to realms

while nether portal like portals teleport you across space in the physical plane?

[regal spire]

RoL’s entrance is supposed to be like you’re traveling through the roots of a huge tree

[digital swan]

yeah but the portal itself is a cylindrical hole with beacons and a spiral

like the nameless anomaly portal

and unlike the gateway and realm of war portal

[regal spire]

Nameless is actually not too dissimilar

It’s just a void hole with a ton of flora peaking out of it

[digital swan]

the thing is

if so

that means that the Realm of War is somehow in the Physical Plane

[slim belfry]

there is no war within the walls of fruma

[digital swan]

or, the Gateway Realm is in a realm

but, it's a different type of portal altogether.

[digital swan]

If so, does that mean the Realm of War is a world that started out maybe like Wynn but then was destroyed and converted into corrupted wasteland when Light and Dark fought for it long ago?

And then, how many more such worlds are there?

[dim plover]

@digital swan Hi there I hear realm lore what’s up

Light, Dark and War are the three known Realms of Influences

If any other realms of influence exist we sure don’t see their influence in the Physical Plane

Like, the spread or whatever

[dim plover]

This doesn’t explain the Dern Portal

[dim plover]

The romantic tension is palpable

The two realm beasts need to make up and out already

[regal spire]

Fantastic end to the Realm of Dern update

Ba’kal will watch from the chair

[slim belfry]

Ba’kal: This is undignified
Dern Beast: Shut, peon. Watch how we make real corruption.

[dim plover]

When are we getting a fanfic AU where the Realm of War does actually form a Corruption Beast and Orphion and DB through a short series of shenanigans are basically forced to accept that this creature is by all technicality their child

The Corruption Beast also recognizes the two of them as its parents so that also isn’t helping the situation

[unique hill]

i think it might be when one of you writes it

[slim belfry]

not me

[dim plover]

How much money would one be willing to get me to write this

[unique hill]

idk where wynnfics went but there doesnt rly seem like a lot of realm beast yaoi happening lately

[dim plover]

It better be a lot of LE because there needs to be a really big reason to tear me away from Hytale

[unique hill]

one may be both unemployed and not the most interested in the idea

[dim plover]

Okay I gotta be honest I never actually considered it to be yaoi

[unique hill]

is hytale good btw i havent seen much of it

[dim plover]

I always headcanoned DB to be female (until Wynncraft inevitably breaks that headcanon)

[slim belfry]

it's fanfiction it can be whatever the heck you want

fanfiction cares not for the laws of physics, logic, boundaries, or relationships

[unique hill]

idk i feel like orphion is pretty distinctly male and whats the point in making a straight fanfiction

[dim plover]

I like it enough to not join Wynncraft since its release minus Annihilation

But others here don’t like how it looks so I can’t really give you a definite non-biased view

[dim plover]

True

(Ok but seriously though female Dern Beast would be cool)

[unique hill]

fair

[slim belfry]

@ igotyoursix.

[dim plover]

Tbh I only headcanoned that solely because it will parallel Orphion