📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

looking for Fruma information?

I dont think Tasim wondering about Fruma 24/7

so we probably will see him in Gavel else where doing his thing

wahtever his thing is

[candid cliff]

Deep down he is

His whole travel to Gavel is to suppress these thoughts

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah that mean his whole thing going there would be about suppress his thoughts LOL

that like saying someone who got trauma from surviving car accident is to watching complication of car crashing

beside why would Cinfras has things about Fruma like

the reason llevigar even has info about fruma is due to Ragni King donated the infromation betwene fruma and wynn treaties

because as the liberian describe

"Fruma is very skillful at keeping its secrets."

[candid cliff]

I mistook the two libraries

[candid cliff]

not really

[hybrid gazelle]

it literally is why you would want to go place to suppress though if you only going to feed into said thought unless he doing exposure therapy'

[candid cliff]

Curiosity is the devil, some actions are beyond you. With Fruma he can learn, if he got in a car accident, what's there to learn

But now that I know which library is which I agree

[hybrid gazelle]

then IDK why would he expect to find info about Fruma in Gavel actively

I feel like there some disconnection in the line of logic I am missing here

[slim belfry]

also I doubt he'd expect Fruma info anyway because it's the "villager" province

[hybrid gazelle]

literally like

Ah yes a province with literally 0 relation or near distance to the province I am looking to educate myself on

when there literally a province that not only near Fruma

but ALSO have interaction with them

[slim belfry]

yeah corkus is right there

[hybrid gazelle]

and have entire population ancestry that can be trace all the way back to Fruma

Corkus is not obvious guess if you are a person in universe

tho if you learn bit more about human history, you would be easily enough to connect the dots

so the obvious place would be in WYnn

[slim belfry]

true

it's just that the main gate is right across corkus

[hybrid gazelle]

like literally if I am like a person

in the universe of wynncraft

like a living breathing person

wynn probably the most obvious choice like heck ther eliteral fruman recruit running around

like yeah they kinda

got memory wipe but it's something

[slim belfry]

if I was in wynn I'd keep bugging people for info

tell me your LIFE story random person I met

I know there are hidden details

waiting for picard to make a new orb and start using it on people

[candid cliff]

he'd not be expecting it nor following it closesly... that's the entire point. It's something that would've caught his attention. and I already agreed

[chilly tulip]

How did Wynn Excavation learn about the crystals in Wynn if they were hidden? Do we have any information on that or is it just something not elaborated on?

[fallow patio]

the crystals have huge temples built around them so they were known at least at some point, and weren't really hidden, more just lost and well protected.

[nocturne cave]

i think someone idk who said the crystals will be tied in more to the lore with revamps so you'll know how they fit in more

[dim plover]

Only the Yellow and Green Crystals technically

[nocturne cave]

Wynnexcavation is getting revamped eventually

[fallow patio]

Blue is behind a giant door I recall, but yeah Red only has small ruins around it with no clear larger structure, though it's possible the excavators already demolished most of it to get to the crystal

[dim plover]

Purple*
But yeah asides from that one door it just seems to be in a cave

The only other man-made stuff is the WynnEx scaffolding

[hybrid gazelle]

The legendary kidney stone

[dim plover]

Not sure why WynnEx would demolish the rest of the stuff leaving no architcture behind though

That doesn't make sense

[cyan sapphire]

Was there an explanation as to why the flerisi trees are different on upper heights vs lower heights

red flame vs blueflame

[regal spire]

Hotter down below

I’m assuming the flerisi tree’s in the lower heights are blue

Because that would make way more sense

[slim belfry]

oh gosh is that what those were

I had no idea I thought those were random blue stuff to look cool

[valid valve]

How did silverbull company manage to set up a lootrun camp in lutho if the expedition in a journey beyond is the first to go in the silent expanse in centuries

[slim belfry]

the player sets it up

[dim plover]

Go to the headquarters and ask them about SE, there’s a dialogue option

[candid cliff]

if you're too lazy

they say that they don't have one here

implying it's a monster silverbull cosplayer

[candid cliff]

What do you guys think of quests that knock you out at some point?

I feel like most of them take me out of the story, even if they're mostly comedic

With Hollow Serenity it at least makes some sense

It's just weird when player once stops an army or a cataclysm and then gets knocked out by a random guy from the bar

[chilly tulip]

Unless it’s by people who are as strong as you currently are I agree

There are others who are on your level of strength, so if it’s them I don’t have a problem with it

[candid cliff]

yeah that's why I don't have that much problem with Garvan, he emanates ominous energy and when he got killed we see that a powerful spirit lies within him

[regal spire]

There’s only a few scenarios in which us being knocked out or overpowered makes no sense, considering the expected power level we’re at.
That’s the GG quest, the 4 Ogres, and a lot of the bandit related interactions.

Everything else is pretty explainable as a power imbalance

[candid cliff]

4 ogres?

I don't remember that one

[candid cliff]

also misadventure on the sea

that quest is after we kill the king of the underworld, destroy a time powered sanctum, and destroy a massive spiders nest (though underworld & infested pit are cannonicaly with help, to be fair to the quest)

[dim plover]

When did we get knocked out in Timelost Sanctum

[candid cliff]

huh

I don't think you understood

I mean that we're powerful at this point

These are some pretty bad pirates as well

[quartz mist]

the only quest where you interact with ogres is the maiden tower and sherk never KO's you

[candid cliff]

sherk would never

he's too cool

[regal spire]

Orc’s, mb lol

[regal spire]

We’re, supposedly, drunk with them, at the time, since we just had a lil drink at the bar

Makes it a lot easier to justify it

I’d imagine we’d kick their asses, but we don’t cause they’re basically a non-threat

Why waste time punching twigs when it’s better saved on real threats, like a giant ass rat

[candid cliff]

Fair ig, though the player must have some weak head if 1 bottle gets him tied up

[candid cliff]

It's also proven by us scaring the sea monster off which they can't do anything about

[regal spire]

Could’ve been more, since we don’t exactly know how much time has passed with them, but I’d imagine the alcohol content of Nemract whisky would be enough to sedate a horse. Look how insane the nausea is on one pot

[candid cliff]

pretty sure we drink one at the bar and then nothing

hornip says he can't sail and when you notice the other ship he knocks you out

might be misremembering though

[regal spire]

Seems like a pretty expected scenario to succeed in knocking us out. We’re probably off guard, relaxed, tipsy, whatever

Not to mention it’s not about how hard you hit somebody, but how you hit them. There are very specific nerve endings that, when held, or knocked just right, will just up and stop blood flow entirely.

[candid cliff]

bob trips and gets killed by a random farmer

[regal spire]

Yknow, considering how Bob fought for more than a century, I’m surprised he was never really caught off guard in his sleep, or he didn’t just let himself die, after being consistently on guard and never taking a moment to rest

[candid cliff]

it's also always a point that we are heavy armoured (also for gender ambiguity)

[candid cliff]

That's what the training was for

I imagine he was like a cat after all of it

Never fully asleep

Always ready

To kill

[regal spire]

Cats have the excuse of dying after a decade, though. Bob was alive for a really long time

[candid cliff]

120 years old at the time of his death I think?

[regal spire]

Mhm

Like, idc how long you do something, you will notice it after 100 years lol

[eternal helm]

Can someone gimme the whole lore spiel about Skien

[warm adder]

guy

probably died

[eternal helm]

spiel not short summary

[candid cliff]

wiki has good info on him

general skien page

[quartz mist]

paranoid but well-respected troms military general who believed magic was evil. when villagers, who used magic prominently, came to live in wynn and started moving to troms, he pulled every tromsian military person with him, or else killed them, and sailed off to an island to build a stronghold. his mental faculties and paranoia continued to deteriorate and intensify, resulting in an unsuccessful escape attempt and rebellion that ended up with Skien as the only survivor. the corrupt ghost of a traitor that used to be in his army but broke ranks and compleyely broke his trust in others tailed him to the island and started raising the dead, and he died there terrified and out of his mind. when he was raised, he had just enough stubborn fortitude to dedicate himself to purging all the undead on the island even though he too is corrupted and that willpower is maintained to this day

it's kinda old lore so some stuff might contradict or be strange with current corruption effects

[regal spire]

Strange that Skien is characterized as hating magic, when Wynn was basically catered around it to survive. Biggest examples being the Twain’s

Or, idk, Bob lol

Is it ever explained as to why he hates magic specifically?

[quartz mist]

nope, though i do personally have an idea as to why it's v much post-hoc

[dim plover]

I hope he gets a quest in the future

or at least something not obscure

But yeah Skien sure is

a character

(As in, personality)

[candid cliff]

i love the voice acting for revenant of skien in voices of wynn

really shows the insanity

[regal spire]

I do really like the fact we’re shown the potential of sacrificial, “dark” magic in Wynn, with a potentially interesting boss altar catered around the tortured soul of Skien

(Too bad Skien’s fight is really bad lol)

[candid cliff]

it's not that bad

[regal spire]

That’s a personal hope for a rework for me

[regal spire]

You’re right, 3 heavy charges into heavy explosion isn’t bad at all

[candid cliff]

troms so far has the best bosses in the game

[regal spire]

Is you crazy

[candid cliff]

no

[regal spire]

VERY debatable

[candid cliff]

slykaar just has small hp pool

he's a good boss

[regal spire]

Slykaar is fine

[candid cliff]

rickeo is self explainable

aryn is very good as well

similiar level to rickeo

[regal spire]

Bane isn’t really troms, imo

And Aryn is good, I always forget he was reworked

[candid cliff]

great bridge to jungle where troms is

[regal spire]

However, there are 3 mid ass jungle boss altars that are screaming their name rn

[regal spire]

I’d consider it its own separate thing, though. It’s the great bridge’s boss

[candid cliff]

matryosha isn't an altar

[regal spire]

Ik

Grand Magus, Tribal Zombie, Skien

All boring af bosses, and never do anything interesting

[candid cliff]

ohh yeah

[digital swan]

oh so he's not racist asf he just hates magic

[candid cliff]

forgot about magus

[candid cliff]

it's both

[regal spire]

My point exactly, because I’ve done the altar like 10 times and still don’t remember it at all

[quartz mist]

ehhh little of column a little of column b

[regal spire]

Idk what it even does, lol, it dies so fast

[quartz mist]

one can turn into another

[regal spire]

Don’t worry, he hates them just as much as magic

[candid cliff]

I'd argue skien is the most unique old system boss, at least

[regal spire]

Ig it is, since it’s got stages, and a progressively ramping mechanic

But, like, it’s got some of the worst spells in the game

[candid cliff]

charge is the most promiment but he does have a lot of fakeouts and gets progressively more aggressive

[regal spire]

Like, actually genuinely horrible spells to fight against

Explosion always sucks, fr

[digital swan]

at least he doesn't hate them for greed he's original

[quartz mist]

his spells consist of charge, multihit, arrow storm, their heavy variants, and vanish

does not contain explosion

[candid cliff]

i overall like nesaak/troms area a lot

theorick is also a pretty nice boss, reincarnation is the most hype quest in the game

[regal spire]

Ig I misremembered multi hit into charge as an explosion, but multi hit is horrible too

[candid cliff]

he fakes out the multi hit too

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly there is a humor of skien, the racist character exist in the jungle

[regal spire]

(Actually, a majority of the old spells are not good at all, with hindsight lol)

[eternal helm]

weird lol.. from what I gathered he felt kinda like a racist who wanted to kill off the villagers and prevent them from coming to Wynn lol

[regal spire]

We love the new system

[eternal helm]

Which

[candid cliff]

skien in his rework will use boltslinger, fallen and riftwalker

[eternal helm]

I guess

Is kinda the point..?

In a way

[regal spire]

Skiens better just be a suped up Tasim fight in elemental exercise, with more and more fallen potential throughout

[candid cliff]

i remember tasim kicking my ass in hunters calling

it took me 3 tries I think

[regal spire]

I also remember that, because I was using morph hive and sucked

[molten escarp]

nop . 11 more phases for you .

[regal spire]

Then I used tstack fshot and wiped him lol

[candid cliff]

fallen does fit skien a lot

[eternal helm]

It was the flaming ground constant damage and Aledars constant attacks that fked me over.. I tried killing him first but I couldn’t lol

[candid cliff]

revenant of skien is a corrupted ghost version of him, which is literally just fallen

[regal spire]

What if you… wanted a long, progressively ramped fight, but Wynn said:

11 phase charge into multihit

[quartz mist]

I do agree that Skien's fight is kinda just not great rn, but if I were to redo him I'd want to maintain most of his plausibly physical attacks rather than giving him any kind of spell maneuvers

as thats why those spells were chosen

[candid cliff]

give him attacks with heavy tells like the rickeo fly up one where he deals 90% of your hp

[regal spire]

Oh, totally, Skien’s should remain that at all times. It’s part of why the fight has a unique premise at all

[molten escarp]

there's a decent few spells that could be played up as physical attacks or weapons
meteor -> Throw An Explosive (At Your Face)

[eternal helm]

Tbh I don’t dislike the fight I just think the lore is too ignored and not important enough

[candid cliff]

144p

[hybrid gazelle]

Holy pixel

[regal spire]

It’s why I specifically mentioned EE Tasim instead of AHC Tasim, since that fight is very specifically orientated around the first 4 warrior abilities, which are all very melee centric skills (besides war scream)

[quartz mist]

specifically cause a rapid volley of arrows, a lunge and crash, and a flurry of blows are attacks that one could plausibly do physically rather than magic- the only reason he gets vanish in his later phases is cause the Revenant is literally a ghost

[eternal helm]

Are the jungle natives actually olm descendants?!

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Not in Canon

But sure as hell better than what they are in the game

[eternal helm]

ok.. u got me worried for a sec I was like.. how did I miss that

[regal spire]

I like the jungle tribesmen, they’re nice people, and are very kind to the Wynn humans

[candid cliff]

it's refreshing when everyone just hates us off the bat

[eternal helm]

It would be cool if one of the tribes was olmic or smtn

[regal spire]

Wynn Exc basically does that, though

[quartz mist]

but I think if I were to redo him I wouldnt do the 11 phases gimmick. Matryoshka Idol already does that well enough and it makes each phase too quick to get through

[eternal helm]

???

[regal spire]

Huge ass ancient civilization under the temple with all the Olm in it?

That’s basically a tribe

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynnex did not really do it since they just have some insane olm lock in ancient city or something

[eternal helm]

eh fair

[digital swan]

when we getting Skien's Island quest and dungeon

[hybrid gazelle]

I

[quartz mist]

we not

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t thjnk that a tribe

[candid cliff]

that'd ruin the purpose of him

he's a secret boss

[quartz mist]

let's let side content be side content

[regal spire]

Alright, it isn’t a tribe, but if you squint and tilt your head, you can see what I’m getting at

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[digital swan]

I am once again suggesting move skien's island to level 75 and add a quest and dungeon where the selchar marines want freedom of navigation in the Skien's Island area

[digital swan]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

It literally just bunch of insane olm thst is remnant of the ancient city

I don’t thjnk they even function as society

[digital swan]

there's 3 sane olm

[regal spire]

Presumably

[digital swan]

but they're in hiding and you can kill them anyways

[eternal helm]

Btw does anyone remember a version of the tutorial that had a lost dog and a house right off of the gate

[regal spire]

TLS is debatable how sane he is lol

[molten escarp]

I mean
surely altar of sanctification could be made a little less secretive

[eternal helm]

I just wanna know if I’m going insane or not

[regal spire]

Nah, I think it fits as one of the more secretive altars

Think Bovine Barn

[digital swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399831978072739901/1441234443896492226/image0.jpg?ex=6966446c&is=6964f2ec&hm=1681e606a265f61d9b2d5b6fe289f9c7ada1fc09828c61c83f1c499263f27aaa&

?

[regal spire]

Of course I do

[hybrid gazelle]

I prefer if skien would be fought in his corrupted form instead of whatever the mumbo jumbo he is now like

We fighting a ghost of him than his husk??!

Or whatever??

[regal spire]

Well, technically, we do fight him in his corrupted state

[digital swan]

if you look top down there's a path going the other way from the gate behind the current cart

which leads to a house

that house

[regal spire]

He’s just a total baby gaga in that form, and dies in 4 hits

[hybrid gazelle]

You telling me a fucking Goliath is more threatening than husk of Skien

[molten escarp]

bovine barn is hidden away on an unassuming island and that's chill as a neat early game challenge
but AoS needs you to go to the middle of the ocean, dig around for some secret code, wander around a maze and fight a separate miniboss to go to an altar in the deep jungle

[quartz mist]

i dont think I'll make altars in the future with such secretive requirements as altar of sanctification in the future given the reception but i dont regret making it like that

[regal spire]

Yeah, dude, it’s dope

[molten escarp]

and there's not much of any indication on how to go through all of those steps given that the entry item is Yellow Glass Pane

[quartz mist]

he's lv 70 boss strength its just player power creep is a Big Thing

[regal spire]

Not ideal for multiple runs, but that initial discovery is, imo, an integral part of the fight

[quartz mist]

texture issue it's supposed to be a necklace

[regal spire]

There are a lot of boss mobs that aren’t scaled yet, if I’m remembering correctly

[molten escarp]

oh.

that's still not very helpful,

[quartz mist]

I went up to lv 85

[eternal helm]

Smtn different

[digital swan]

ok but reincarnation requires you to find 3 such items and a miniboss before you can get to the boss (no it's not a boss altar but it's kinda a boss altar with extra steps and a permanent unlock)

[quartz mist]

before I burnt tf out

[regal spire]

I see, I knew CIB felt really bad

Not a problem, since it’s gonna all be reworked after fruma anyways

[quartz mist]

man. any opportunity to dig at that huh

[molten escarp]

I'd have to check
think the guy tells you at least a little bit about where to find the 3 animals

[digital swan]

if reincarnation is fine surely AoS is alright

[eternal helm]

Ok when did it get removed… 1.19? Bc I started right after it released and the tutorial still had profs but I swear there was a lost dog entity that I first tried returning to its owner or something

[quartz mist]

not last i knew

[regal spire]

Tbf, it’s very noticeable

[molten escarp]

well. .

[candid cliff]

what do you do in ct out of curiosity

[regal spire]

Mooington being locked in a huge cage was a highlight of that quest, lol

Has that old Wynn charm where nothing was taken seriously

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob sure is a shithead for sending mooington to skien island

[molten escarp]

Across The Ocean is. vague. but giving a general location and the names of the items is still somewhat valuable.

[digital swan]

and so do boss altars they have the item shown

[quartz mist]

lots of various things

[candid cliff]

they captured it

[candid cliff]

wow

[regal spire]

I still miss the lava cow, to this day

[hybrid gazelle]

Wtf you mean captured

[quartz mist]

mob work, dialogue, story bits here and there, balance stuff

[digital swan]

lore JUGGERNAUT

[quartz mist]

content janitor is what i call myself

[candid cliff]

i'm pretty sure the old ahh signs say they have a 'new' prisoner

[digital swan]

basically lore juggernaut but humble

[molten escarp]

mob rebalance neo ultra deluxe ++ ultimate edition

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe don’t put your friend in an island full of insane people

[regal spire]

Custodian of Content

[candid cliff]

I see

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob animal companion lore kinda fucked ip like

Fucking scattering them in different island in the world just to wait for random ass stranger to come and kill them

[digital swan]

is there a mod that I can use to make wynncraft lookin stuff in singleplayer
now that confirmation that no skien dungeon I have to make one myself for my peace of mind

[hybrid gazelle]

What is wrong with Bob at that moment man

[regal spire]

“I entrust you guys will take care of my animals for me”

“Yeah, we all fucked up and locked them in a cave or dungeon”

[hybrid gazelle]

Might be little fucked up in the head

Chuckle got sent under care of someone

Guys I thjnk Bob might has favorite

[regal spire]

Bob, though not entirely responsible for what the people did to his animals, surely must’ve had better company

[hybrid gazelle]

It either Bob or Nilrem that the scattering

It either of those two

[quartz mist]

in fairness baab does have a whole cult taking care of it

[digital swan]

bob entrusted his animals to good people. the problem is nohno went insane, baab and mooingon's keepers... some shit happened

and now they're all locked up

[regal spire]

If Nilrem, he totally must’ve known that a random cult of sheep loving goons wasn’t the ideal scenario

Actually, I’d love to know how Baab got there

[digital swan]

maybe mooington's keeper went on a little voyage and entered russian airspace

[quartz mist]

its probably very much in a lap of luxury in spite of the cavey surroundings

[digital swan]

I mean

Skien's Island region

[quartz mist]

cult leaders arent exactly treated poorly by their followers

[hybrid gazelle]

That being even more of question of wtf did mooington do

[regal spire]

Im unsure of what they’re actually doing with it down there, though

What kind of worship lol

Do they sacrifice themselves to it?

[digital swan]

and baab uhhhh who knows maybe his keeper also went insane

[hybrid gazelle]

Holy sheep

[quartz mist]

who knows really

[regal spire]

Baab had the most insane turnout

[hybrid gazelle]

Even then I just think animal companion feel really forced

[regal spire]

Mooington got fucked over hard, sure, but Baab turned into a literal cult leader

[hybrid gazelle]

Unless they can expand on it, I rather not have them as part of Bob rewrite

[candid cliff]

i like them but i'd rather for them be animals like a wolf, bison etc. not random farm animals, but it's a part of bobs joke

[hybrid gazelle]

Still would not spread my animal companions around t he world for complete stranger to kill them

Personally would not do that

[digital swan]

it's the old case of feeding the jewels to the dog

[quartz mist]

i like to think it's a very "THE MAGIC CONCH HAS SPOKEN" type of thing where all the followers collectively have one braincell and just imagine whatever when baab "speaks"

[regal spire]

Idk how I feel about them going, tbh. They’re charming lil inclusions, despite how confusing being “infused with Bob’s power” is

[digital swan]

oh so that's why my (orange) cat has an obsession with sheep

[regal spire]

“Okay, magic Baab, what do we do now?”

“Nothing”

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally just feel like only there for gameplay

[quartz mist]

but yeah this is a 2013 thing

[regal spire]

I just like the idea that a cow (or actually maybe its one of those Totaro’s or Toronto’s or whatever) is just this horrifyingly capable, feared monster, and that they had to lock it in a huge ass prison cell to keep it away from them.

[digital swan]

dear fuck
I just realized early 2013 kids can use discord

[quartz mist]

id like to keep em and just put in some more effort to make em special

[regal spire]

Cluckles got a rewrite and became one of those Condors, so I’d like to see how the other animals could be changed

[digital swan]

bovine barn survivors with ptsd lol

[regal spire]

Lmao Mooington being a potential WOC to be

[quartz mist]

like just off the top of my head bob is stated as exploring the ocean so what if baab came from maro peaks to begin with so it's a maro ram

[regal spire]

It’d make sense, but it’d have to have a lil more as to why Baab specifically is worshipped

Ig they’re blue

[quartz mist]

well like i said this was right off the top of my head

[regal spire]

Fair, lol

I’d love it if Baab was worshipped just because it’s a blue sheep

[candid cliff]

toronto cows only usually die from age

i mean

not important but the ones in cinfra have over 1m hp

[quartz mist]

toronto

canada winning again baybeeeeee

[regal spire]

Idk the name anymore lol

[quartz mist]

touroto

[digital swan]

if you think toronto cows are scary...

[regal spire]

I think Toronto is funnier

[candid cliff]

it is

[regal spire]

Tourto

I’ll have to remember that

Touroto

Torn rotator

[quartz mist]

thatd put you off the track team for good

[regal spire]

-10% melee skills

[molten escarp]

shin splints suck guys

would not recommend

[regal spire]

Shoulda worked yo shins wit the kettle bell

Flex yo ankles wit a kettle bell on them, and you’ll feel instant relief

[quartz mist]

ryuji no

[regal spire]

Unless you have a compound artery

[digital swan]

in that case is it dover

[hybrid gazelle]

Man I gotta work on my archetype later

[regal spire]

Actually yes

[hybrid gazelle]

It almost finish except for fruman one

[regal spire]

Had a buddy of mine with a “composite arterial graft” and basically couldn’t walk after a year

His shin was so blown up

[digital swan]

woah just hit 1 frame per minute

[dim plover]

Hi everyone

[digital swan]

isn't a purple emerald really a form of bixbite not emerald

[regal spire]

Isn’t bixbite just a red variant of beryl

[digital swan]

ye but doesn't it also include the purples

[digital swan]

so is emerald

it's beryl with chromium iirc

[dim plover]

I don’t think I have lobster claws, no

[digital swan]

tf

[candid cliff]

hidden side when

[dim plover]

Bixbite

[dim plover]

Going swell
Here is one of the endgame enemies

[regal spire]

Is this SU or that OKKO show

[dim plover]

SU

[candid cliff]

yoo you're still working on it?

[dim plover]

The character is named after a mineral I feel like that should’ve been obvious

[dim plover]

Yeah

Here’s the newest enemy I added

[regal spire]

It has a really similar design to OKKO. Don’t remember much of the new characters, now, for SU

[candid cliff]

I've been looking forward to it for a long long time

[digital swan]

what is okko

[dim plover]

Basically if the character is a mineral (or gem, basically) chances are it’s a Steven Universe character

[candid cliff]

I think since like 2021?

[dim plover]

80% of SU characters are literally the Gems

[regal spire]

Fair enough, lol

[dim plover]

It isn’t an acronym

Google it

[regal spire]

Bixbite does sound like a funky name, though, compared to something like pearl

[candid cliff]

bixbite sounds like a robot name to me

[dim plover]

It’s funny because there’s a prominent character in SU named Lars

And another one named Lapis

Which

You know

[regal spire]

Lars bars

Is that new Lars of the Bars show out yet?

It looked fun

[dim plover]

I mean this guy

[regal spire]

Oh, lol, I didn’t know that was a person

[dim plover]

Stars*

And probs not

[dim plover]

Yeah
Do you want to see more HS content

[regal spire]

HS content? In 2026?

Yars plars

This may be the first of the year, as far as I know

[dim plover]

Here’s one of the final bosses of HS
Just filmed it 2 seconds ago

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262012380878340096/827887567059157002/image0.gif?ex=6966e821&is=696596a1&hm=bca61a5b4a457f2cd7c54d9f93124e8726ece820ff9cb3d610a0bebed2886381&

[digital swan]

yo @dim plover an irl friend just send me this huge ass city map like 9000 by 6000 blocks of total CITY (and it looks like it's unique too)
so obvioisly it has to be used for tnt cannon testing but also like I don't want to destroy it because it looks insane but also if I copy it my computer's space is going to be 📉 what do I do

[dim plover]

Don’t be fooled by the gif, the boss has been extensively tested and I can confirm that the fight is completely no-hittable

[candid cliff]

Yes

[candid cliff]

HS before Fruma

[dim plover]

(Hold on I’m finding more funny gifs to pass off as HS content)

Rare footage of the ending of Hidden Side (the player gets chased out of the Silent Expanse)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/296377212939010050/676273487626764318/image0.gif?ex=69666984&is=69651804&hm=e5de71955e2af05461fb136042e9baa4870c67ec33bcb7f5716d8a8c79333315&

[digital swan]

how many eyefolk did you piss off holy shit

[candid cliff]

also are you still using cnpc or did you swap

[regal spire]

https://tenor.com/view/pond-pondcoin-pork-porkcoin-crypto-gif-12470993878817207947

[dim plover]

I feel like you’re not sensing the joke of me not actually having anything related to HS to post

[dim plover]

(We can still talk about HS content I’ve already posted though)

[candid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[regal spire]

I remember a lot of the PZ talk, like the connection between PZ and that golden variant I forgot the name of. Really liked it, and could use a refresher or two on just names and such

[dim plover]

Flicker

I sort of gave the PZ Relik its own lore in Hidden Side

Unlike PZ though, the Flicker boss does use her actual name

As in, Flicker’s her actual name

PZ and the third sibling are also implied to follow the same naming convention

But in summary, they’re a trio of siblings from some celestial kingdom not present in the Physical Plane. Through some cruel twist of fate all three of them fell into the void via some disconnected accident, or voluntary, or otherwise

The Reliks they wield are ceremonial handheld artifacts imbued with incredibly powerful magic, which may be the reason for them persisting after death

At least with PZ’s owner the forum thread I wrote does imply some soul retainer-like rituals they did pre-fall, but otherwise the other two are not public

PZ’s owner is eldritch/void/dark-themed, Flicker is plant-themed, and the third sibling is space-themed

Basically Void, Land and Sky

In the canon of Hidden Side, Flicker’s influence while in the void is what is responsible for generating all the plantlife you see in Void Valley and Void’s Edge

Obviously newer Wynncraft canon like TNA kinda contradicts this but I’ll figure something out

But yeah otherwise all three of their bodies are destroyed post-falls but their souls inhabit the Relik

That’s the Void Siblings lore as vague as I can give atm

Technically I already have their full player skins and Relik boss appearances but I want to save them for if I actually do introduce them in some content I make

[dim plover]

Oh right I guess I can talk about this one

As referenced in the PZ Resource Pack forums thread, PZ’s owner fell via excessive dabbling into dark rituals and experimentations

From Flicker’s dialogue, she fell to prevent her Relik’s power from being stolen while the kingdom was under siege (This is part of Hidden Side lore and is relevant to the gameplay)

The third sibling is the least elaborated on so far, but they fell willingly

[regal spire]

I remember there being this really nice post fight dialogue about Flicker talking about people scheming against them, but I might be misremembering it. I do know the arena/design of flicker is really nice, and I like the relik weapon itself

Flicker could talk to you/have special dialogue in specific areas, right?

[dim plover]

The idea was that she is a third Talking Mushroom, yeah

[dim plover]

Thanks
Although I designed the boss fight under the assumption that EO parkour was like, relatively easy for people

Which I have now learned it isn’t

I’m inclined to keep it the way it is though since Flicker being one of the last few bosses of the entire map kinda justifies its difficulty

[chilly tulip]

What are y’all talking about?

[cyan sapphire]

is there a lore reason why there are two types of flerisi trees

and how are flerisi (creatures) and flerisi (plant life) related - are they like resting grounds?

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably

[regal spire]

There’s two types because the lower molten heights is hotter than the upper

[cyan sapphire]

how do we know this

[regal spire]

Because this is explicitly stated in game, and just proven in general by just making sense

Lower heights are hotter, so they better kindle a hotter flerisi tree, whilst the upper heights are cooler, making them red

[cyan sapphire]

was it stated in the region discovery or somewhere else?

[cyan sapphire]

that does make sense

[regal spire]

It’s stated by the Doguns, where they mention the upper heights being more difficult to sustain themselves up there

[marble pawn]

Lvls are canon

[hybrid gazelle]

looking back at what I did with the ocean for wartorn project hoenstly I really want the ocean to be mix and mash of other region combine to make it feel like this wild place that just open relatively recent compare to toher region in the game in universe

I like the idea of pirates and cirminals running rampant because there is not really order establish in the ocean which closet to is Selchar

I really like the idea that Selchar coudl be rework into this settlement attempting to be the capital of the ocean and establish order

maybe villagers try to reach more control over the ocean for more trade routes and resources

but even after 100 years, they still struggle to establish order in the ocean due to the amount of pirates and other criminals activities

I really want it to move on from undead pirates and go to exploring pirates from different background like corkian, gavelian, or wynnic and more

cause rn we kinda have just pirate
like ltierally generic pirate that could be in anywhere or undead

There just a lot more potential with the ocean

Like Ice Islands I really like the idea of them remaking ice islander into being more active role out there

maybe you can see ice islander in Nemract or other place with each nations have different relationship with other civilization in the ocean

maybe nodguj nation is more open to trade with other and establish more friendly relationship with other while dujgon become raider and one of the threat in the ocean beside pirates

There like a lot of potential with the ocean that I wish got expand when it get update

Dead island definitely need remake, I just imagine it an island devoid of mobs like just overgrown tree

Tbh don’t have any idea for other island on top my head

[dim plover]

Are they?

[digital swan]

but then it's free dark wood

[marble pawn]

Idk

[dim plover]

Then why did you just say that

[slim belfry]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

probably just a bait for debate

I rather not feed into it

[eternal helm]

Only evidence for it is that you need to be lvl 21 to drink nemeract whisky ig

[coarse elk]

thats actually hilarious

[candid cliff]

is moontower only used for mages

[regal spire]

Idk about canonically, but as an item, it’s used by every class

[candid cliff]

idk why I wrote it here

my mistake

[regal spire]

MT is just a really good WA slap boot. There are better options for dps and such, but if you need that extra SP, and want to be able to maybe offhand some items or go heavily into ET after the initial investment, it’s there

I use it with DAtS just because I like running a high dex number, and you can potentially use it with any class because of that. It’s just used on warp a lot because of the req’s warp has

[candid cliff]

wa?

[regal spire]

Water Air

[candid cliff]

ah

[molten escarp]

not that moontower dats is a wrong choice, particularly from a thematic standpoint
just that it's basically the number one Ephemeris Bait item and it's weird to see it on anything but

I guess you could also just use martingale,

[regal spire]

I just MT DAtS purely because I can literally use any item—that isn’t boots—I want with it after

Plenty of spare SP for dex or def, too

[molten escarp]

the humble 105 intelligence 140 agility

[regal spire]

Free Aquarius usage for the 70 mr you need for an effective DAtS trickrobat cycle lol

[molten escarp]

the -40 defense seems hard to break

[regal spire]

It is, which is why I generally don’t break it

TWA is easiest

If I had more -1st cost availability, alongside -3rd, I could use less mr and get more dps from it

But there’s just not enough -1st’s

[molten escarp]

I forget what necklaces I'd usually use
but sometimes I get to remember Found Footage not only exists, but gives intelligence

something I'd ordinarily forget since I'd usually entertain it for TFA experimenting

[regal spire]

Xebec is ideal, imo, but I just use dhydro for the dps, especially when I’m stacking onstinance’s for the added spell and wa%

Better to run more mr and get dps for it, rather than getting ideal costs and potentially losing stuff like HP or dps for it

DATS isn’t made for mainhand usage anyways, I just fucking love it with how it works for trickrobat. Being able to echo lacerates to both fly and deal damage feels so good

If it did a consistent 250k, I’d literally use nothing else, but it’s hard to even do 200k

You can burst pretty well with it, but so can everything else, so why bother

It plays basically exactly like how the mercenary in RoR2 would play with an infinite dash and R

[molten escarp]

because it's fun!!

the boingy boing zoop lacerate is fun and I Love Acrobat

[regal spire]

It’s honestly the closest I can compare to old Acrobat lol

Just replace the old aerial ace with the buff you get from killing clones

Also no shurikens

Ig it’s not like old Acrobat that much lol

[marble pawn]

Idk

[exotic yew]

Even if they are, still have no significant to plot. Other than power scaling

[candid cliff]

they could matter for bosses at best

but definitely not for regular npcs/monsters

[hybrid gazelle]

oh my god bruh

[solid fable]

Lvl 100 ahmsord citizen vs lvl 10 zombie who winning

[hybrid gazelle]

How Ahmsord population be soloing the entire wynn province

[warm adder]

zombie

[hexed nova]

Dance amongus the stars would be so tuff with funambulist

[warm adder]

amongus

[hexed nova]

Sussy Baka

[slim belfry]

they got a lot of hp

[warm adder]

should i make a level 20 warrior build

[hexed nova]

I think zombie has a chance if the citizen doesn’t heal

[warm adder]

no im changing this to 35 i have 0 ability points bruh

[regal spire]

Already use it

It is indeed hella

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I feel like Troms jungle could. use rework to be more like actual war between left over corrpted forces and troms itself

with dernal jungle being this place full of evidence of olms terraform the forest during their stay

like I been depict the entire jungle to be terraform by olms to be their defense against dern due to how paranoid they are

and I feel like that could make jungle really stand out

[chilly tulip]

Why are the Lusuco golems different from all the other ones? They’re player sized and don’t use the standard golem model

[quartz mist]

Never explained

[hybrid gazelle]

why are you blue

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-why-are-you-blue-gif-15851792565936245960

I pretty sure it's same thing as Hashr where CT back then just do it because they thought it would be cool

even tho it like

does not really make sense lore wise

[digital swan]

they're not golems like iron golems

pretty sure their species is "golem"

[hybrid gazelle]

I rather not think of yet another irrelevant spieces in already bloated spieces roster that is wynncraft

[digital swan]

like how there are pupsicles

[regal spire]

Maybe Lusuco made their own golem type, idk

[digital swan]

a human frozen like a pupsicle becomes a golem

this is surely why they are blue like lusuco golems

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure pupsicle is just baby ice fang

but named pupsicle because of a pun

I think personal intereptation is fine

but I think the way you word it feel like you telling a fact

which is not

[digital swan]

yeah but they're Blue

surely there is a reason for doggo blue

[hybrid gazelle]

just as the CT said they is no given reason

there literally ice fang

I pretty sure pupsicle is just baby ice fang

[digital swan]

ye this is just speculation

[hybrid gazelle]

it just different spieces of wolf

yeah but the way you word it feel like a fact

taht why I say personal intereptation is fine

but dont speak it like it's a fact

that how you get people confuse

[digital swan]

yeah my thought is the lusuco golems are an ice species of human

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like if some random small population in province that known for not having magic capable of making golems feel very weird

but yeah

[digital swan]

I mean this (explicit speculation warning) seems consistent to me, there's a place cold enough to create a new variant of wolf then maybe it's cold to create a new variant of human

also don't the lusuco golems look exactly the same as the lusuco citizens

with more armor

I think they're just Lusucan (?) soldiers (speculation!)

[quartz mist]

I wanted to explain it in a Lusuco quest but I never got the opportunity before Frost Bite ate up all the available space

it very much started as someone going "man lusuco is boring...hey yknow what would spice it up?"

https://tenor.com/view/blue-man-group-staring-side-eye-gif-8228084131210534846

I felt like itd be neat to tie into things since there was no explanation given but Situations kept happening where I just couldn't get to do the quest to explain it that I wanted, and then Frost Bite happened beneath my notice and ate up all the available quest space in the region

and we got "whup"

[hybrid gazelle]

I think funniest part about Frostbite existence is EPpo somehow got fanart

that like only thing notable that I remember about it

[quartz mist]

one of the things that annoys me about it irrationally is the overuse of one CT's name for npcs

and not even the full name but a shortening of it

instead we get Eppo and his horse Oppe

we had a whole other three letters to work with

[hybrid gazelle]

Peak naming

tbh I still have 0 fucking idea what to do with Lusco for my wartorn

I really want it to be this place that people settle to be away from Theorick

the problem is Theorick mansion is right there

so I am not sure

[digital swan]

what about ope

[hybrid gazelle]

anotehr thing I could think of is maybe they trying to escape the freezing??

[digital swan]

different guy?

[hybrid gazelle]

but IDK I just

the idea of Lusco just not sure

[slim belfry]

also makes me wonder did the tower arrive before or after the ice

[hybrid gazelle]

the problm I ahve with the freezing is that

[quartz mist]

yeah i dislike that name too

[hybrid gazelle]

literally I feel like everyone fucking die in that freezing

liek IDK how is there a survivors

like literally every bunker that ever exist

are all got frozen over

realistically there should not be any survivors after the freezing to make Nesaak LOL

[slim belfry]

ope oppe opppe and oppppe

[hybrid gazelle]

so IDK what to do with Lusco

another idea is that it a town that try to be free from Theorick but also could not give less of a shit that they build near his mansion

because he mostly spend his time in Nesaak anyway

and it deeper into the region so no corrupted get in

so Theorick also could not careless

and just turn his eyes when he go to his mansion

but yeah so far kinda clueless on what to make of Lusco as a town

I think it so irrelevant that it just might as well be gone LOL

[slim belfry]

it's a weird tiny region where many things converge yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Another idea I just think of is maybe lusco could be a town full of people who try to build even close to Theorick for safety???

Like just maybe

Maybe that why they got library dedicate to Twain

But idk I feel like that idea alone would kinda invalid Theorick being bit of an ass

[slim belfry]

I havent spoken because of a theory I have but mmmm

idk

maybe theorick was more trustworthy with some people and was why he was tolerated for a bit?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean I guess?

[digital swan]

I mean

[slim belfry]

I have no clue really that town is weird in general

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah it is weird

[slim belfry]

you have a dang meteor tower casually standing next to it

[digital swan]

if ice can clear corruption

[quartz mist]

tbh i generally dislike frost bite. i find it very arbitrary mechanically, everything about the mansion makes no sense, and the whole thing ends off theorick's story making him out to be a way way bigger issue in the region than he shouldve been, i feel like

[slim belfry]

yeaaaah

[hybrid gazelle]

I think I heard this before

[digital swan]

what if lusuco residents were corrupted, then got cleared of corruption and frozen, eventually thawed and built a city

[hybrid gazelle]

And yeah I must agree lol

[slim belfry]

I didnt like that about the quest

[hybrid gazelle]

Also Theorick having mansion so far away from nesaak just so weird

I feel like if mansion was remove, I think the idea of lusco become independent town thst try to stay away from Theorick could work

[hybrid gazelle]

That not how it work

But okay

[slim belfry]

yeah dont think ice has that effect

[hybrid gazelle]

I’ve only halt and slow down progression of corruption

Not clense

That not how it work

[slim belfry]

also true then we can finally have space for separate lore abou-
💥

[hybrid gazelle]

What was corrupted will stay corrupted

I am thinking rn what could frostbite be about if mansion was moved

Cause here the thing

[slim belfry]

hmmm tower of ascension?

[hybrid gazelle]

Ehhh I will talk about that later

Cause here the thing

Frost bite bejng aboht Theorick is good

But the problem is it after fate of the fallen

Theorick swerve to have build up toward him

So at best I can imagine frostbite being epilogue or extra bit about Theorick as character

[slim belfry]

I like fate of the fallen

[slim belfry]

maybe about why theorick is how he is or something

[chilly tulip]

I feel like Lusco should be closer to the Twain mansion instead of Theoricks, with the whole Twain library and Theorick going to Nessack to be awaking from the other Twains

So lusco would instead be the town established around the Twains for protection, and Nessak is this town that’s further away

[digital swan]

well either way what about Lusuco being built After Theorick iced everything

[slim belfry]

it has a library so I highly doubt it

[hybrid gazelle]

If Theorick had a mansion he absolutely would what people near him LOL

[chilly tulip]

I mean it’s in an isolated corner of a frozen wasteland then with no discernible food sources and barely any shelter, seems like a poor spot to choose

[hybrid gazelle]

But Yeha as selvut mentioned before

The enter mansion thing feel ooc

[slim belfry]

yeah who tf would willingly build a settlement in an ice canyon

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh I could imagine it as being send off for Theorick?

Like mage they set up funeral for him or something

And then you get to learn more about what he been studying

Like oo wait

Maybe it could tell us more about his magic and the Twain

[slim belfry]

hopefully it does something more than what house of twain does

[digital swan]

people who lived there and either want to profit off of the mines or are scared of the tunnel between it and nesaak

it is full of an army of mobs

[chilly tulip]

Yeah, but personally I think it fits better if his mansion is then nearby Nessak instead, it’s larger and closer to an area where there’s more people

[digital swan]

in that case what about relocating lusuco to where the mansion is

and make it like

lusuco was theorick's hometown

[hybrid gazelle]

I meant Theorick would not want people near him lol

[digital swan]

and he built his mansion there

[chilly tulip]

Yeah that’s what I suggest was earlier, have Lusuco be by the Twains mansion and Nessak by Theoricks

So maybe just swap Theoricks mansion and the Twains

[digital swan]

can't do that, twain mansion has to be next to Silent Expanse

[hybrid gazelle]

That would be such a big change tbp

What?

[slim belfry]

oh boy

to both

[digital swan]

isn't that where all the fucked up creatures in the graveyard are from

[hybrid gazelle]

No?

[slim belfry]

no lol

[hybrid gazelle]

What the fuck are you even talk about

[digital swan]

Plus aren't those dark spikes above the graveyard

[hybrid gazelle]

No

It not

[slim belfry]

the area existed before SE

[digital swan]

then what sort of spikes are they

[chilly tulip]

I mean I joked about the Twains being next to the SE but I don’t think there’s any lore implications there

[digital swan]

not corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

It just random shit ct put up befause grave mistake isa quest where they test out the script

It’s meaningless

They have 0 plan when making that quest

Don’t take old stuff for granted

[slim belfry]

except planning for hallowynn

👻

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that too

[chilly tulip]

Isn’t it also weird spirit magic stuff?

That’s what I thought at least

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but like

It’s whatever

Twain area is so outfated

I would take it with massive grain of salt

[digital swan]

I mean there is an eyeball blob in the basement and it's super close to the eyeball land
weren't they planning for SE to be there anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

No

It has nothing planned for se

At all

It just random shit

[digital swan]

well that's... worse

there's another source for eyeball blobs

besides eyeball land

One was already enough

[slim belfry]

even if grave mistake didnt exist I doubt eye forest would be the only source

[hybrid gazelle]

Sometime you gotta accept that some wynncraft stuff is just old as shit and should be take into equation lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Like warden of wisdom

It literally fleshy stuff with eye

[digital swan]

yeah but that's still Dark

[hybrid gazelle]

Yet it has no connection to SE

[digital swan]

thanks to parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

We literally has no evidence of it directly connect to Dern

It might be just humoncolus thst Dullahan made himself

Jsut because Dullahan is decayed does not mean everything he does is Dern related

[digital swan]

it looks awful similar to the myocardials

[slim belfry]

I dont think Dullahan would even like or care about Dern stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

Sometime shit just happen to look similar

Especially when you are on graphic like wynncraft

[digital swan]

actually wait that's bs ct reuses everything of course it looks like the myocardials

How many mobs are there that look like Gestalt Consciousness again

at Least a half dozen I think

[hybrid gazelle]

Anyway honestly if mansion was remove or move

[slim belfry]

speaking on RoL and models I found out this goober exists

[digital swan]

goober

[hybrid gazelle]

It would be nice if the frostbite quest is us finding the key from the butler

Hmm wait

I kinda want lusco to do something with frostbite

I still thjnk Theorick mansion definitely has potential for lore drop

But maybe jt could be move or change to be something suited Theorick character more

Maybe not even mansion

[digital swan]

how large do you think Theorick's mansion is compared to Lusuco

[hybrid gazelle]

I think getting into the mansion probably should be the end point of the quest rather than the middle part

So I probably will thjnk of it later

Cause the thing here is

The quest happen after fate of the fallen

So thst should be the peak of the story where we get to meet Theorick and put him to rest

[digital swan]

ok hear me out here

[hybrid gazelle]

So frostbite should carry this tone of us finding what Theorick left behind

[digital swan]

what about removing lusuco and instead making it so like. Theorick's mansion has new residents

a lot of them

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think you understand what make the mansion ooc for Theorick

Like the issue of the mansion is

Everything about it does not make sense for Theorick character

Like the problem is not the mansion location

Or whatever

It just everything about it

Theorick character is thst he only want payment from people who he saving as a job

Like as payment

For survival

The mansion go against tjis by making it feel like he taking more than he should and live in luxury

Thst tbe problem with the mansion

[digital swan]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

It make Theorick feel like massive asshole rather than cold heart guy

[digital swan]

isn't he both

[hybrid gazelle]

Like he still an ass in Canin ofc

But like he do have a point

[quartz mist]

that and the mansion somehow having ghostly servants and poltergeist-flinging around anyone who insults him in it also just makes him look endlessly cruel and conceited alongside displaying powers he was never established as having

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh Yeah no I was getting to thst

I was like

[quartz mist]

Mael was the spirits guy, not Theorick

[hybrid gazelle]

Why is there ghost servants??

[digital swan]

I mean if I had a mansion I would totally trap it for visitors I don't like

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but that require money

Or time

That Theorick would not have or dare to put because he doing his job

He does not seems like petty asshole, he just anti social

Bro just want to treat his hero shit as a job

The thing is thst Theorick meant well like

He is thst kind of guy thst meant well but the way he show through his action and word really make you hate him

So I don’t think he would be thst petty to rig up his mansion with trap

[digital swan]

what about rewriting him to be more petty then

[quartz mist]

I think it's a disservice to the character and story we want to write to have him just be a raging asshole

[digital swan]

what about a non-raging asshole

[quartz mist]

what about a person who can discuss stuff in a serious manner

[hybrid gazelle]

If a character meant to be non raging asshole

Then the writing should be correct to him being non raging asshole

You don’t rewrite shit just because

[hybrid gazelle]

I wish Theorick has more time

I feel like nesaak area should be dedicate to him

It sad how most of like what make his character good is lock behind secrect discoveries

I hope thst when ct to get to nesaak

They would able to make storyline out of Theorick

[digital swan]

also mabye make reincarnation have actual information in it?

like instead of nilrem's secret letters requiring all that

have the important bob lore in the quest that right now just requires finding two or three of bob's pets?

[unique jungle]

theorick is so cool fr

[slender copper]

Someone hasn't gotten all the secret discoveries. /j

[candid cliff]

secret discoveries say otherwise

[shut hornet]

shoutout to the like 5 npcs named after imaxe

Maxie, Axelus, ok actually i cant think of any more

[regal spire]

To discuss this further, I’m of the opinion that Theorick’s past and sacrifice are better suited for SD’s, with Fate of the Fallen being better suited as the first quest you experience in Nesaak, rather than ToA or underice. However, to fill the void for developing Nesaak, I’d much rather it be better centered around helping people take back what was lost, after Theorick’s freezing. Frostbite needs work, but it’s a good base for what I think a lot of the quests around the area should be like (minus the unfunny whining from the main quest character).

To top it all off, I’d love if specific quest characters could be informed of what we have potentially learned from the SD’s. Treat it like how the festivals have set queues for getting unique dialogue; just have it be SD related, further giving these characters development, and attaching us deeper to both the plight of the people, and the story of Theorick. And, of course, give more to return to, like how they have done with TCC’s quest, and Olon.

[buoyant depot]

https://x.com/Wynncraft/status/2011923569769373881 👀

Wynncraft, the Minecraft MMORPG (@Wynncraft)

She'll be seeing you shortly.

X · Jan 15, 2026, 10:08 PM

YASS QUEEN 👑

[regal spire]

I knew they’d listen to that one CF post, if we just complained enough

[long wedge]

has anyone ever made this joke before

[digital swan]

maex

[candid cliff]

favorite character lore-wise?

or top 3

[regal spire]

Since the conception of Bob’s lore, yes

[eternal helm]

Thoughts we will hear smtn similar…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VzYkiYD0XIs

[hybrid gazelle]

I can see that

But I feel like fate of the fallen should not be first quest I feel there has to be build up to the region first

Consider how Aledar was trying to research way to defeat the corruption

I thjnk it make perfect segway for Aledar to be there with introduction to Nesaak

Maybe replacing under ice

And briefly mention Theorick

And fully introduce him in fate of the fallen

Tbh my criticism also stem from wynncraft lacking actually good character and have one of them thst come close to it only lock behind SD is something

[regal spire]

I’m a huge fan of that, actually. Us being tasked with Aledar to potentially assist the citizens of Nesaak, unintentionally getting involved with studying the nature of Theorick’s Ice, and how to counter the corruption

That’s a great first quest concept, and would segway into Fate of the Fallen really well, even if that quest remained more optional—story wise.

[candid cliff]

I don't like how they made dungeon/raid quests non required now

could've just made so that it's global per player

though I'm no coder so that's probably hard or something idk

[dim plover]

I kinda wanted dungeons to be like a plot continuation to their respective quest tbh

So yeah, possible unpopular opinion but I want all dungeons to be questlocked

(Also good way for the quest to be an introductory to the dungeon or the dungeon boss’ story idk)

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft has a weird purpose for the dungeon

they aim dungoen to be middle point of the region for the player

allow them to exp farm in to advance their elvel while doing that region

I dont personally agree with that

since dungeon is so linear it get boring real fast to farm

and it rob so many story potential by just having dungeon quest being so early in the quest

but it is what it is

[regal spire]

I didn’t realize how much I missed quest locked dungeons until it was taken away.

Or maybe the quests we have are mid idk

I thought removing the quests would let you enter them whenever, but you’re still kinda forced to enter them semi close to the intended level, so you don’t really lose anything locking them behind a quest

[hybrid gazelle]

it liek weirdest part about wynncraft

they really want dungeon to be repeatable content

but it just not at all it just soooo linear

it worse when you get to like corrupted dungeon when some reward require 6 fucking playthrough

[digital swan]

when add open dungeon where you can choose whatever path to reach boss

[candid cliff]

At least you get tokens from forgery chest

[candid cliff]

I like that they're putting characters mentioned or shown in earlier quests in these dungeons

It ties up nicely

The quests are pretty old otherwise though, but they are laying some foundations for remakes

I'm the most interested in Slykaar's quest

[chilly tulip]

The Sewer and Spider Nest dungeons are still good because they’ve been framed narratively in the early storyline quests, and the Spider Neat has companions in Aledar and Tasim. Maybe once the other quests and dungeons are redone they’ll feel better

So there’s a narrative reason behind doing those dungeons and it feels good to do them because of it

[hybrid gazelle]

the sewer literally is not framed in the early storyline at all

it literally left at it sfrom the star

actually early story line seemingly made to be inconsiderate of it

as quest like infested plant happen 1 level before sewer of Ragni

actively pushing player out of Ragni and thus pretty much usher player away from the sewer as the ycontine uthe main storyline

so sewer framed by early questline at all but mostly either ignore or simply not consider its existence

[candid cliff]

Infested pit quest is really good

imo

[candid cliff]

Well it's just legends

They're not actually dangerous to Ragni citizens

The most dangerous thing about it was Sewer cloggage lol

I think its just supposed to be a side dungeon

[hybrid gazelle]

???

None of this related to what I said?

beside the last part

I just say that the early storyline did not take Sewer into consideration

and that literalyl it

where is that 80% of that message came from

[candid cliff]

It is

It's not relevant to the story because of these things

[chilly tulip]

Do you guys think we’ll eventually get more recurring army leaders? For instance Graken and the Almuj Commander are only featured in one quest each, and I think at least Graken could be in multiple.

[candid cliff]

Almuj Commander definitely but I don't really see Graken in anything else. What's your idea for him?

The Almuj guy seems corrupt, even Aledar says he's dislikeable

[hybrid gazelle]

okay?

[hybrid gazelle]

we got Aegis

[chilly tulip]

Maybe just more related quests around Nemract? Similar to Aegis role in Deltas

[hybrid gazelle]

Nemract area likely getting remake similar to Ragni and Detlas

but that purely speculation

[candid cliff]

Well yes

It already started with Saint's row Church and Sayleros quest

[candid cliff]

Ic

[hybrid gazelle]

Nemract probably more suited for storyline like the early

but consider Tasim dialogue

it likely we going there alone

it woudl be nice if it's its own storyline that end with Charon as main villain

[candid cliff]

ye like 2-3 quests

[regal spire]

It’s funny how there’s basically only two quests in Nemract that Segway into anything Charon related, whilst the remaining Nemract quests are all separate from the town.

[candid cliff]

Tempo town

Starts like a thousand blocks away from it

[regal spire]

Should tempo town be an earlier quest?

[hybrid gazelle]

Funnily enough

[regal spire]

So there’s more range to teleport between Nemract and TT, with potentially higher level quests?

[hybrid gazelle]

Time valley stuff is after Nemract

mostly

TBH I think the teleport exist SOLELY for TTT

which is really funny

[candid cliff]

Nah, the items are all around 35

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally could not even remember using it once

[regal spire]

What’s the point of a Nemract fast travel if there’s nothing to return to.

[candid cliff]

ttt?

[regal spire]

Ig for misadventure

[hybrid gazelle]

oh wait

I misremember the level

[candid cliff]

The quest is lv 25

[regal spire]

Nemract and tempo town are in a really weird range

[candid cliff]

They're kinda just mashed together

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah they are

[candid cliff]

UC and TS

[regal spire]

I think TTT would be better suited as a replacement spot for rooster island, potentially, or even pit of the dead

[candid cliff]

Whats ttt

[regal spire]

Then, you can actually use the fast travel

[regal spire]

Tempo town trouble

The quest

[candid cliff]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

Pit of the dead could be remake into more charon related

but yeah

Fucking love how ocean introduction is just nothing LOL

like ah yes

[candid cliff]

pit of the dead is one of the most forgettavle quests

[hybrid gazelle]

entire vast of ocean

has no flare introducing it at all

it just

rooster island

yeah

old wynncraft really do not really give a shit huh

[regal spire]

I’d like if they moved the quest a lil after a new TTT spot, potentially having TTT be a level 20 quest, much like grave digger, and give the option of exploring these two similarly scaled areas

[hybrid gazelle]

the presentation that old wynncraft give to its content is the same vibe of high school students present a topic that they force to pick

[regal spire]

Then, the obelisk has a noticeable use, and offers consistent back and forth for the areas you’ll be exploring

[candid cliff]

speaking of TS has the best dungeon in wynncraft but garoth is too slow and he barely does stuff

big fraud

[regal spire]

Tbf, Wynn was kinda a fun personal project, when a lot of the outdated stuff now was implemented

They just added whatever

[candid cliff]

Bob was a meme

pretty sure

[regal spire]

I mean, think about something like the old star thief quest. The quest is, quite literally, you giving a shiny rock to someone, and then they just sit there and scream and laugh forever

[hybrid gazelle]

Hardly see it fun consider the lack of enthusiasm in its presentation LOL

but yeah

it is

wynncraft is so weird because it like

it 100% passion project

yet area like Gavel just feel so force like

[candid cliff]

shattered minds

[regal spire]

A real MCMMO was never achieved before, and the team behind crafted movie’s just liked implementing nonsense ideas to their smash inspired combo system fighting MMO

[hybrid gazelle]

it feel like what if a high school students were task to make a fantasy world as their assignment

so they just put together like

random ass classic fantasy element

and call it a day

[candid cliff]

what's the funniest wynncraft quest

[hybrid gazelle]

none

[candid cliff]

either intentionally or unintentionally

[hybrid gazelle]

actually no Jungle Fever is funny

bec ause they accidentally make blackface character

[regal spire]

Which is why I’m happy Wynn went the personal route and decided to just add whatever, in a medieval setting

[hybrid gazelle]

the entire jungle area is funny

becuase of how looking back to it

it literally do not age well

AT ALL

[regal spire]

Though, it doesn’t hold too well now lol

[candid cliff]

I like Out of my Mind

[hybrid gazelle]

like it so unintentionally racist

[candid cliff]

Ariodo is funny

[hybrid gazelle]

that you thought they got like

the second coming of Notch in their team

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah the foundation is literally just "make a game"

[candid cliff]

That's the only thing holding wynn together

https://tenor.com/view/leak-leaks-flex-seal-flex-seal-gif-15158221

[hybrid gazelle]

which is decision that still leave its mark in wynncraft to do this day

[regal spire]

I think the only debatably harmful representation in the jungle was Worid. Everything else seems more like a pretty standard, simplistic depiction of a tribe. Old customs, leaf garments, different language, wise, etc

[hybrid gazelle]

no?

[hybrid gazelle]

the fruma migrantion lore kinda make them more weirder

and just give off the idea of them onyl existing as a check list rather than the CT at that time geniunely want to add them and explore them

[regal spire]

Yeah. “It’s a jungle, so there’s gotta be a jungle tribe. Let’s just make em nice and that’s it.”

[hybrid gazelle]

it give off the idea that these tribal epopel are only worht much as tree for jungle region
More of a decoration than a representation of a real life culture

[regal spire]

Not much more than that, and when it deviates, it gets sorta muddy and confusing

[hybrid gazelle]

which is like

can be worse at certain angle

the way wynncraft build its region back then is so

weird

it like they have a check list on what make sterotype of a region

and then they just add those things like "let's get this over with" kind of attitude

[regal spire]

I do like the potential of the tribe. There’s alot of subtle pieces of lore behind them that make you question what they might’ve originally been like

[hybrid gazelle]

like yeah we got jungle region
we got dense trees
we got the native
we got cannibals

[regal spire]

Think both boss altars, for example

Or the high number of outcasts

[hybrid gazelle]

there defintiely potential