📚lore_discussion

[serene drum]

Like in terms of in game size?

[candid cliff]

ye

though if you count things like ancient nemract or ancient buried almuj then it goes little further

[serene drum]

Its def up there but its hard to say

A lot of them are the roughly same size

[candid cliff]

like almuj was probably this big before the Hashr betrayal

[serene drum]

yeah that would be a pain to fully build lol

[candid cliff]

I'd love to see an actual big city in wynncraft someday, though I doubt it'll happen. lots and lots of work

Maybe Fruma will feature an actual grand city

they did say it's very content & build packed

[serene drum]

yeah def a cool idea

[vestal rivet]

an entire city region would be cool

[candid cliff]

i'd kill for it

eldritch outlook is one of my fav builds in the game just because of how big it is

it's like 3x the detlas size

[dim plover]

Did Almuj even exist during the Hashr betrayal

[candid cliff]

well it

s just called desert empire in the discoveries

so probably not

I just call it that

[regal spire]

Yeah, this area. It’s the only part of the quest that had anything like it

[serene drum]

thank god, I was going crazy trying to find any sunflowers on the build server

Since 2 block tall flowers are split into 2 separate blocks, sometimes due to how old our build tools are, copy pasting something can reset some block states to default

All 2 block tall foliage uses the same ID of 175, so it seems to have trouble saving that data, which makes it reset the top block from 175:2 (tall grass) back to the default of 175:0 (sunflower)

So yeah sadly just a tool error

[vestal rivet]

we're learning technical lore today are we?

[serene drum]

lol srry could not hold back the inner 🤓

[candid cliff]

favorite quest in wynncraft story wise?

[candid cliff]

oh damn I forgot you guys use ancient technology

When Wynncraft finally uses Axiom in 2036 the updates will be 5.76% faster!

[regal spire]

That’s super cool to know that. I would’ve just thought the block would’ve completely voided itself, considering it’s partially loaded, but that’s interesting to see. I wonder how many other areas have had lil errors like that

Back when I used to use 1.8 technology/commands and “partial blocks” for random builds, I used to lose entire sections due to how the server would update. They’d basically all update simultaneously and break, making stuff like really tall sunflowers impossible out of single player

[candid cliff]

you build?

[regal spire]

I did, when I was, like, 11

I did stuff on a random MMORPG server called Zentrela or something

Didn’t do it for longer than a month, cause I was a child

Wait, no, it wasn’t Zentrela, it was Maestrea

[candid cliff]

Ah shame

I still build from time to time

[regal spire]

I build on build battles and all that, and when I do survival Minecraft

But, not as a side hustle anymore

I used to make tons of adventure map concepts, too, but I never finished a single one.
The closest I ever got to was a random XBOX360 map that was sorta semi finished

I learned all this shit, how to make all these stupid things, and never made anything of it. Kinda lost all steam for it when I was around 15 years old

[digital swan]

dude a city would be larger than wynncraft by itself

[candid cliff]

small one no

wynncraft is 5 kilometers tall

Desert sized city would be good

so around 600x600

[regal spire]

In all honesty, have it be a festival area, like Lusuco’s lil spot

[candid cliff]

Why?

[digital swan]

oh like wynncraft city not like an actual huge ass city

[regal spire]

Because, technically, Lusuco is the biggest city in the game lol

[digital swan]

like that one thing on planet mincraft

[candid cliff]

hell no

[regal spire]

More like have the city be smaller to scale, with it separated by some kind of travel that takes it off map. Then, make it as sprawling as possible fr

[candid cliff]

I don't think that's true

Corkus/Cinfras should be bigger

guild hall is a part of cinfras remember

so is letvus

[regal spire]

Because it didn’t align with the interests of my career path, and never actually benefitted me beyond personal enjoyment, which isn’t something I was raised—nor want—to do

[candid cliff]

What do you do now?

[regal spire]

I’m a ballet dancer

There comes a point in this career where all personal enjoyment better be either completely passive, or designed to improve your art

You can’t really have hobby’s, because any time spent doing that is time I could spend stretching and training

[candid cliff]

all art is kinda like that

[regal spire]

I’d argue that it isn’t, because your body doesn’t keep up with you the same way your mind does with an instrument, or drawing, or basically anything else

You have a very short time to love this career

And you can’t exactly go back to it, once you’re done. You have to do something else, something easier. Once you’re done with ballet, that’s it, and you’ll never do it again in any way, because no one will take you

[digital swan]

so you're cooked in a while?

[regal spire]

All of us are, which is why we work on the side to develop careers that aid our dance, and our portfolios

I do common stocks, business, general trades, and basically anything I can get my hands on. I hope to go into aquaculture, if I ever get the time—and money—to go to school

They’re not hobby’s, though, because they’re basically what I’ll fall to when I’m done. I’ll be applying all this knowledge to myself, when I can’t do it anymore

Or, miraculously, maybe I’ll be one of the 100 people in the world who managed to make it to 40

[candid cliff]

It depends on circumstances of your art - many artists in industry have problems with eyes due to tight deadlines & require surgeries. But I can see your argument, and I'd be inclined to agree there. Age catches up to your body, you can prelong it with training, but it will get to you eventually, while you can draw pretty much till death

[regal spire]

It’s more the problem of how bad it gets when you’re older. Ballet is HORRIBLE

[digital swan]

have you considered time travel and joining the dancers of the french court

[candid cliff]

It's very flexible art yeah

lots of awkward movement involved

[regal spire]

Like, I have had 2 surgeries and major tears throughout my entire body, just because my body isn’t made for it. It’s a miracle I’ve made myself look as good as I look

[candid cliff]

2 sugeries is insane

Rip

[regal spire]

I’m in pain every single day of my life, and I cannot wait to see how hard it’ll be to get up in the morning at 30

Then stretch my feet for another 3 hours, and work my splits for another 2, then strengthen my hips mobility options, and train for jumps with consistently elongated kneecaps, whilst also not bulking lmao

I’m 180 pounds and 6’1, and you would think I’m 160

Miserable life

[chilly tulip]

So two questions

1: If Villagers arrived in Wynn from Gavel in 900 AP as shown by Historical Maltic, how is the king of Ragni a Villager if it’s only been around 100 years? I know that that villagers probably sporadically migrated and intermingled with Wynn, but that must’ve been one interesting line of succession.

[digital swan]

secret villager conspiracy

[chilly tulip]

2: The Colossus went rogue in 0 AP shown in The Fallen Protector, which coincides with the destruction of the first Guardian of the Forest, the opening of the Corruption portal, and the arrival of the Parasite in Gavel. Do we know if the Colossus going rogue was influenced by Dern or was it just an unfortunate coincidence?

[hybrid gazelle]

He adopted

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know

Current king of Ragni literally adopted by the royal family

We already have villager conspiracy gojng on witb Wynnex

[regal spire]

My only potential answer for this is the King of Ragni is a very recent development, likely one of—or a child of—the main representatives of their successful voyage into Wynn. I’d assume, through proved competence and capabilities, a prominent figure head of these settlers would eventually be interconnected within the Wynnic Royalty, likely moving into the position of an advisor, before eventually taking the throne

[hybrid gazelle]

Guys

Wynnex said he adopted

It’s there guys

[regal spire]

Did it actually

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[chilly tulip]

Alright that’s solved then

[hybrid gazelle]

I was not joking

[regal spire]

Wiki time, cause I don’t remember this lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynnex site d and

[regal spire]

Lmao he does say adoptive father

Well, there’s still potential for him having been related to a prominent figure head of the original voyage

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure

That part is lot to interpret

You could certainly interpret thst way

But for me I interpret he as a child of nobody because that convey the kindness of the royalty more

Also wait question

Is not the original voyage group just lower class?

[regal spire]

It’s funny that, instead of removing the line about the token having value to no one but you (because it used to be a useless trophy), they just kept it in and added another paragraph saying “wait, actually, you can use this for a necklace har har”

[hybrid gazelle]

It said in the quest that the voyage group are made up of lower clas

s

So what you mean by prominent

[regal spire]

A leader of the group

[hybrid gazelle]

Ok fair enough

[regal spire]

Or, actually, it’s entirely possible that a general or lost royalty took it upon themselves to leave what they were behind to lead them

(Also, they had a shit ton of riches in that boat…)

Who knows, atp, the lore isn’t finished yet

[digital swan]

what about they just lied and claimed to be a bunch of high ranking diplomats

who the hell would stop them

[hybrid gazelle]

Poor people at llevigar?

Also I feel like underwater quest was made so long ago they did not factor into modern lore

Beside maybe tjose riches are just combination of the poor saving

Also the uprising is like 750 AP

So any lost royalty either just long gone by thetr time of 900 AP or just render irrelevant

Also why would the lore being unfinished would be relevant here as of saying they will come back and add more tk this part of the lore for some reason

Like these part of the lore feel complete for what it is

And the rest can be interpret by the readers

[warm adder]

based on the lore of items what item is the most powerful? idk really maybe bloodbath

[hybrid gazelle]

if we include outdated stuff then cata

Bloodbath lore is vague, it more describing annie itself than the weapon itself

so it cant really be use to gauge its power because again we dont know what it is beside just being a hammer and it related to Annie

[warm adder]

oh ic

[dim plover]

Cataclysm I guess?

Maybe?

[slim belfry]

gosh it still refers to it as the nether portal

[candid cliff]

How strong is Skien?

[stiff vessel]

Cata divzer bb alka

reso

[warm adder]

isn’t there a bow named galaxy piercer that’s like level 5

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK what you mean

[digital swan]

yeah

level 4

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know

any skien related materials are very oudated

but I guess he just very strong corrupted

[candid cliff]

well he uses 2 classes

[hybrid gazelle]

If this relatd to your strongest item stuff

[candid cliff]

so he must be strong

[hybrid gazelle]

then items itself kkinda

[hybrid gazelle]

you cant guage someone strength by gameplay stuff

the thing is that classes literally exclusively exist in gameplay

not in lore

[candid cliff]

he mastered 2 weapons & elements

better?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah ofc that expected from a general like

elements also get weird because like

most element stuff you see in gameplay only exist in gameplay

cause Skien himself dont use magic

also assuming that you get these mastered 2 classes from ablities he has in the game

that become even more harder to guage because the thing is that some of these abilities probably only exist for gameplay due to how old he is as a boss

[candid cliff]

yeah he's racist

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah I dont think in game ablities should be use as evidence of him actually mastered or proficient with 2 weapons

unless the dialogue said so

[candid cliff]

thats fair

[candid cliff]

how strong is qira lore-wise compared to someone like bob, bak'al, lari etc.

[solid fable]

Qira is the strongest non-god in lore, she has to wear inhibitor just so the fight is fair

[hybrid gazelle]

She strongest by the fact that the writers will glaze her whatever they can

This is strongest trait a fictional character can have

[candid cliff]

I see

including gods, what is the rough top 10

[chilly tulip]

Qira is the strongest because I’ve collectively died more to her than I have to the Orphion

Definitely not a skill issue in my part

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk wynncraft powerscaling is just

Hard to say

Lack of fear and reference just make it hard to guage power level

But I guess if you really want it

There like Dern beast
Orphion as like top 1 and 2

[chilly tulip]

What about Annie?

[hybrid gazelle]

Qira fucking somewhere I guess but again lack of actual feat

Annie is also yeah at the top

Bob also as well

Bob habe history of beating Annie or something similar to Annie

[mossy badge]

Is there a beast of war born from orphion and dern beast?

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob by far has actual fest out of any character so we got some idea

[chilly tulip]

I mean maybe Lari, Dullahan, and Bak’al?

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know

[chilly tulip]

They’re essentially demigods right

[hybrid gazelle]

But as of rn there no mention of it

[mossy badge]

Ah well

[hybrid gazelle]

But consider what corruption is

I highly doubt there is one

[mossy badge]

Also do u consider war stronger than dern?

[hybrid gazelle]

Uhhh

The other 2 is like

Dubious

[mossy badge]

Like if they would release dern and realm of war, would row be higher lvl

[hybrid gazelle]

Corruption is anti life but like

The thing about corruption thst jt seems to need condition in order to persist

And the fact that corruption in rol treat as non issue

Does not really feel like corruption habe any favor in the match up

So yeah depend

Very situational

[chilly tulip]

Also corruption isn’t really its own party in this

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah corruption is a wildcard thst even hostile to itself

[mossy badge]

But like isn't anni just a random creature from row and they're the most powerful boss in the game rn

[chilly tulip]

Like there’s Light and Dern+Corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

It can potentially be op

But also not

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah as far as we know

It just very big Devil

Also as for Lafi

Lari is Orphion chosen so yeah she do have some power

Bak’al also powerful but most of his feat came from his undead army

So kinda situational but he seems to hold his own with Lari even if she next to her power source

Dullahan is

Ehhh it

[mossy badge]

It'll be interesting to see if they'll ever explain why the player character is so strong, mayhaps in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

All mention of soul magic user is like

Needing army to beat

But I feel like anyone else we mention so far also probably need army to beat

With Annie specifically

So for Dullahan case jt like

Yeha he powerful but no way he can contest with other

[mossy badge]

Btw isn't technically the player the strongest?

[hybrid gazelle]

Depend how you define power

[chilly tulip]

How about the Colossus?

[hybrid gazelle]

Player being strongest just bad for narrative

[chilly tulip]

Does it count?

[hybrid gazelle]

Because it mean no stake

[mossy badge]

Well the player can beat orphion, anni, anything alone

[hybrid gazelle]

Player character feel more like an experience and sheer luck

[hybrid gazelle]

Gameplay and no

We did not beat Orphion

Annie is non canon

[mossy badge]

Annie is not canon wat

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes because there no mention of Annie

Appearing in 1000 AP

It just world event

If there is mention of Annie appear in 1000 ap then that fine

But as of we know rn it does not

And no character react to it

So that more what if

Also like I say powerscaling is just

[mossy badge]

One of the detlas generals reacted to it smh

[hybrid gazelle]

Which one

[mossy badge]

Idk, during/before the update

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah thst for promotional

[chilly tulip]

So by that logic is Skittering Spiders the only canon world event?

[mossy badge]

Well i'd assume everything in the game is canon in some way

[hybrid gazelle]

Then go ahead I guess if you interrept that way

But as I say powerscaling is just

Annoying topic to talk about

Because power is less about number

And more about situation, strength and weakness

And also luck

Player character being strongest character overall jsut bad for the narrative

[mossy badge]

The player is so strong cuz they're the avatar and embodiment of the almighty god Salted 🤑

[hybrid gazelle]

Not having stake in your story just

Bad

So player character power are limited to writers

[mossy badge]

The player should die and u'll start playing as another character, would that be smth cool?

[hybrid gazelle]

Being stronger is just weird when you trying to compare regular person and fucking Godzilla

Tjose 2 are like

Completely different scale

[chilly tulip]

Wait shouldn’t Death be included in this discussion

Like he doesn’t do anything

But he’s there

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Caude thst does nothing for the gameplay like

Sometime you gotta accept some shit happen for gameplay

[mossy badge]

But for the story bruv

[hybrid gazelle]

And thing beat thing does not mean thing stronger than that thing

It depend on situation

It like saying a man is stronger than elephant

So far it better to look at player survival as sheer luck and the skill thst they have

Rather than their actual body strength

It like how Gordon freeman survive the entire half life event

It not because he physically stronger than all his foes

But more of the situation in his favor and he has the mean to overcome it

[mossy badge]

I don't think when some1 asks "who is the strongest" they mean body strength but overall and if they would beat all other characters

[hybrid gazelle]

Or he got fucking omnipotent being manipulate the event in his favor

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes and that when thing get complicated because again

Situation
Luck
Strength
Weakness

That why death battle go into deep research and set up scenarios for their match up

Because it hella complicated when you want actual answer

[mossy badge]

Well how much research would we need for wonncraft characters?

[hybrid gazelle]

Hulk could beat Godzilla but only in situation where he figure out after gone through many trial and error

[hybrid gazelle]

Due to lack of materials and feat

It hard to guage the power scaling of each wynncraft charactwrs

It get more complicated when we know thst wynncraft as a whole

Is written by many writers

[mossy badge]

Feats just prove smth further, u can work with just 1 feat cant u

[hybrid gazelle]

Not really

It just hard to do so

Thst why I can’t say much about qira strength because there barely anything to go off beside she scaring a lot of people

Orphion so far seems to imply to be really powerful

But everything he does it utterly failure and it seems he run into self sabotage so much

I literally don’t see he would win against anyone

[mossy badge]

Also the thing is, in a lot of scenes the player is the only thing u can compare to and the player is just gameplay

Like we can say qira is a tough fight but u can also just beat her in 10 secs

[hybrid gazelle]

and the only reason he win because of his god like status that probably make all the attack not relevant to him

[hybrid gazelle]

Like I said

Yes you could take player as strongest being in the story

Which you certainly can

But then you completely remove stake from the story

So yeah do whatever you want

It’s your character

If you want to see yourself as badass who can solo everything

Go ahead on that

[mossy badge]

Its funny tho, the player canonically dies to some random low lvl monster in a cave and they also solo the strongest characters in seconds

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah it is funny you can make it that way

After all so far player character seems to be a blank slate that you can project or shape into whatever you want

[mossy badge]

Fruma 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

Your interptation of wynncraft story could be about a badass dumbass who can beat strongest being in the world

But fail as simplest of task

That certainly a trope in fiction

I found fruma less likely gojng to expand player character

As player character being blank slate benefit the ct and the story itself more

Rather than being concrete character

[mossy badge]

Kinda sad as an rpg

[hybrid gazelle]

It not?

It’s in the name

RPG

Roleplay game

You can still roleplay as anyone m you want

It even better now since you are blank slate and free to insert yourself in

Feeling more immerse rather than being forced to act in a way you would not

[mossy badge]

Meh

[hybrid gazelle]

That why some game habe you as silence protagonist

[mossy badge]

I prefer not silent

Tho ye it comes down to prefs

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft already experiment with tjis with optional dialogue

Which can be improve more slter

But blank slate does not mean you are not allow to interact with the world

It just now you are free to immerse as yourself rather than a character created by the writer

Now every action feel immersive since you were playing as you or the character you have in mind

It also bene fit the ct

As being made up of volunteer writers allow them to be more flexible

[mossy badge]

Ye i get that

[hybrid gazelle]

It simply just better this way

But yeah I do experiment with giving player option to dialogue in my rol fan rrwrite

So far it seems my beta reader like that option

Certainly giving player a chance to approach how they want to act in their dialogue or interact even if it meaningless decision does a lot for the story as it make player feel more invovle and interactive with the world

They no longer listener but also part of the conversation

I mostly think they should at least habe around 2+ dialogue option with both on different spectrum of how would people commonly reply to the situation

[candid cliff]

there should be more dialogue choices in wynn

I like how events have so many

[candid cliff]

make them affect the quest as well

[hybrid gazelle]

Affecting quest is when it complicated

Because that would require a lot of work load thst the ct may not have to spare

As I mention before it fine if the dialogue option lead to nothing

Having story with branching out patch is meaningless if the story is awful

But it do make a nice surprise if it did well as Hollow Serenity

Though that like very specific case

[hybrid cypress]

In an alternative universe...

Did yall ever hear the the tragedy of Darth CT the Mysterious Helper?

One day, a player wanted to join the Content Team. But he never cared about the lore or the stories. He only wanted the rank. The CT application wasn't even open, but he knew he can find a way anyway. He thought for a while, but then he remembered. He heard about a principle: "if you write a storyline too good to ignore, then Salted will personally accept you into the ranks of CT members". It is rumored that some of the most legendary CTs used this principle to get their ranks. So the player crafted up his plan. He wrote up a storyline about Fruma that was so good that it reached Salted's ears. It delicately included everything from players entering the province of Wynn, and then making friendships and alliances while forging their own path to entering the gates of Fruma, and then ultimately help make crucial decisions about the fate of Fruma and the rest of the Wynncraft world. He even released the storyline on the forum only, so only CT members would read what he wrote, so it didn't look like he was just trying to get CT rank, but other players won't steal his ideas either. And so, later that day, he got reached out to by Salted himself, and he got accepted into the CT ranks as a writer. That night, he celebrated his victory with a bottle of Bremminglar Battle Brew. However, he didn't actually check the labels on the bottle, so he was very surprised, when he suddenly got hit by 99% damage. However, 2 seconds later, he got healed back up +1500 hp, so aside from the sudden shock, he was alright. And so, he went on to secretly rename himself "Darth CT".

The next day, in CT discord, Darth CT got his first assignments. The other writers were a bit jealous of him, because they all saw how good of a storyline he wrote, and they realized that the currently planned Fruma lore is just not good enough. So, they - at least for now - secretly only gave this new writer small tasks, like rewriting sentences, correcting spelling and grammatical mistakes, or writing small pieces of insignificant lore. And he did complete these assignments, as to not blow his real identity of "Darth CT", at least for some time. As for the rest of his free time, he spent it on wynn discord or in-game, by boasting about CT stuff and listening to others praising him for getting CT rank. After a while, the other writers were a bit suspicious of him, because he didn't ask for more important assignments, not even once. But after a while, this mysterious new writer had started slacking off, and then even stopping working on assignments altogether. He tried to come up with some excuses, but they were not good enough to fool the team of writers. Still, Darth CT thought that once he is a CT, he won't be easily kicked out.

However, he didn't know, he couldn't know that each CT team secretly had the right to collectively decide to kick a CT out of their team, if they had a good enough reason. And so, after about a month of not completing any assignments, he suddenly got called into a writers meeting, where he was informed that he is getting kicked out of the Content Team for inactivity and false excuses effective immediately. And then, he got kicked from the CT discord, and his wynn discord and in-game ranks also got removed. It happened so quickly, he didn't even have time to process what's happening. He then tried to frame the writer team by saying that he got kicked out merely for being a better writer, and it became a mini-drama, but nobody was buying it, as the wynn team eventually said that he got kicked for good enough reasons, but for privacy reasons, they cannot share more. And so, eventually, the mysterious player abandoned his title as "Darth CT", and vanished by moving on to other games. The tragedy in all this is that while his intentions were selfish, he accidentally made great contributions to wynncraft, and he didn't even know it. The writers eventually saw all that happened as a blessing, because from the alternative Fruma storyline and the small lore pieces the mysterious player wrote, they were able to get sparks of ideas to refine their own existing Fruma storyline to near perfection, and they also learnt to sew some very cool side-lore pieces into it too, since they learnt that those give life to the larger world around them. Now, did Fruma accidentally get saved by a random mysterious player who didn't even care about Wynncraft? Will the players enjoy the Fruma expansion when it releases? Stay tuned and find out on 2026. December 31. or later.

[tender cape]

i aint reading allat

what da hell

[warm adder]

guy who’s talented and lazy

[chilly tulip]

World events are canon right? In that they happen at least once?

Because I’m sure that with eventual quest reworks some more events will be made mandatory like Skittering Spiders

[drifting aurora]

annihilation is canon. what's not canon is that it's a repeating world event. you do it once

[woeful abyss]

If you fail you get sent the the forgery

[warm adder]

NOOOOOO

[digital swan]

don't they say in game that he pokes in every once in a while

[drifting aurora]

yes but you personally do not face annihilation more than once

[hybrid gazelle]

That what I meant lol

[slim belfry]

well yeah in canon you don't do dungeons and raids multiple times, only once

[chilly tulip]

It’s funny to me that the Twains were living right next to the Silent Expanse and didn’t even know it

It’s like two neighbors having a really large fence between them so they can’t see into each others yards, except the Dern Beast had a camera placed on his roof (The Eye)

[dim plover]

Are they like, beside SE in lore though

It doesn’t feel like it

[slim belfry]

I'd assume that the map is as is regarding locations relative to each other

[long wedge]

is the wynncraft map larger in the story than in the game?

[dim plover]

I don’t see why not

[digital swan]

it's 5km by 5km surely

or well

[dim plover]

The game’s map is most likely scaled down

Drastically

[digital swan]

5km by a little over 5km

since the map is taller than it is wide

[dim plover]

I feel like the ocean’s way bigger than that, for instance

[digital swan]

you mean the lake

[dim plover]

That and if SE is actually there Rymek would be overtaken by now

[digital swan]

maybe the dern beast doesn't want to overstretch his forces by invading wynn yet

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

lore wise wynncraft mpa should be bigger for many reason

so city wont be too small casue rn what we have is more of a summary of acity than actual city

consider airship in Cinfras having living quarter for passenger

imply that it take days to go across ocean to one province to another

[long wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/boros-armor-saitama-power-gif-11480226

[digital swan]

pretty sure people have beaten her wearing inhibitor themselves

[warm adder]

does inhibitor give negative poison

if not then just toxo build

shrimple

[digital swan]

doesn't it do like nothing to health

[warm adder]

yeah

[digital swan]

it's just decreased attacks

[warm adder]

yeah just build poison

[digital swan]

there should be an option to fight qira without inhibitor surely then

[warm adder]

Overdrive can cancel the %spell idk about spell raw (theoretical)

[digital swan]

Honestly the strongest non god is the player like wtf
who else can do a million dps

[warm adder]

yeah

[candid cliff]

It'd be funny if there was just a way to pay Worid/Nick to end the quest immedietely

Have an option "I have the money" and they just take the money and quest finishes immedietely

[chilly tulip]

The Dern Beast hasn’t bothered because Rymek sucks and is just not worth it

[dim plover]

But Rymek has fire chicken (Dern Beast canonically likes chickens I can confirm I'm Salted's alt)

[chilly tulip]

And it has a merchant for pink wool and everyone knows that the Dern Beasts favorite color is pink

[ancient heron]

dude what it is killing all dps

[eternal helm]

Qira actually takes off the chestplate in the final stage of her fight

Her model loses it

So idk why gavel doesn’t implode then..

[grizzled frost]

idk about qira being powerful or demi-god but she folded like a twig in 30sec when i fought her

so maybe have a raid centered around her?

[obsidian bane]

You need to deal more than 0 damage in order to apply poison don't you?

[warm adder]

oh wait

uhhhh

Do pets count

[obsidian bane]

No clue

[warm adder]

idk how spell conversionsm work with pets

[obsidian bane]

I think blunt force could deal damage

[warm adder]

doesnt it have a lot of negative main as well though

[obsidian bane]

Yeah the mID cancels it all

[warm adder]

oh

[obsidian bane]

With a ton of raw

[regal spire]

Do we have context to who made inhibitor

[warm adder]

selv

idk

[regal spire]

Very funny

[sharp mango]

inhibitor niche meta

[dim plover]

That shouldn’t happen I don’t think

Probably a visual bug

[digital swan]

powerful idk about demigod

maybe god in the sense of stargate god

[dim plover]

(Because Qira’s chestplate disappeared a little while as a bug back then I think)

They probably forgot the third phase

[slim belfry]

what would even qualify as a demigod in wynncraft

[shut mist]

The player...

We litterally died and met death.

And came back to life

[slim belfry]

I meant more like being a demigod as in the status

which... you might be onto something since orphion making them his pulse could count

but the coming back to life thing is non-canon

[dim plover]

Depends on what you define as a demigod

Wynncraft has never called anyone a demigod so we don’t have an in-game point of reference

[candid cliff]

Every death is canon btw

At least I remember Death saying something along the lines of that

Like see you soon or smt

[slim belfry]

that quest specifically is non-canon

[candid cliff]

Lol fair, it's a dumb one

Where is that said

[slim belfry]

wiki and dev statements

former building on the latter anyway

[candid cliff]

Try to comprehand wynncraft without ct challenge impossible

[slim belfry]

the player coming back to life could be a player-insert exclusive thing but the only known source of revival is the lazarus pit

[candid cliff]

Wasn't that quest remade recently

just wondering

[slim belfry]

I have no clue

[candid cliff]

The lazarus

Ic

[dim plover]

They say that but then have an entire Nesaak secret discovery dedicated to real Death sending a message to TOA Death

Now I don’t know what to think

[slim belfry]

Death is canon but the event itself is non-canon

[digital swan]

no that's the Dern Beast pretending to be Terry Prachett's Death for the lols

[dim plover]

True

[slim belfry]

what if dern beast is silly

[regal spire]

Beyond the Grave feels like a random inclusion for potential tension, and nothing else. There’s a bunch of lil concepts hidden throughout the quest that hint at some greater end to Wynn, and I feel like it’s only there to be a failsafe to if they can’t come up with anything in the future lol

The whole set of hourglasses, the implication of death having “favorites”, and the idea that he’s acutely aware of multiple states of times

He’s a strange inclusion, and poses way too many questions—I believe—left purposely unanswered for leverage later on (if they come up with something, or have something planned that could work for what’s shown)

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like

Beyond the greave kinda

Awful at a quest cause the idea of player being favorite is like

If lesser the stake and even then It just

Another player glazing so no

[slim belfry]

yeah player favorite is meh

would be better if it was something like "AH, WELL IF IT ISN'T SOLDIER NUMBER <position player registered on the server>"

[frigid rapids]

Hello

[hybrid gazelle]

I think beyond the grave establish death in wynncraft universe in the most boring way possible

It not that everything has to be interest but I kinda expect the only appearance Death to every have in the entire story of the game

To habe some sort of comment on everything going on in the world rather for a quest thst essentially a shitpost

It very under utilize and not attempt to do anything with thst potential

All just wasted for like

A joke

[quartz mist]

well, it was made back in 2014 when stuff was a lot more "anything goes"

i do think it could be tied better into things

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean Yeha just pointing out my issue with it

I dont think death tied to other thing but definitely should not what beyond the grave got going on

At very least world building focus would be okay

[candid cliff]

What do you choose in Iron Heart 2 at the end?

Do you agree with Urelix methods like Orphion?

[digital swan]

I agree with Urelix's methods

but because the Dern Beast agrees with it like in A Hunter's Calling

[exotic yew]

I'd say find an alternatives for golems sounds like a good plan

[opaque remnant]

They’re obviously Alchemical creatures (idk if that’s ever mentioned in game) so a substitute for Villagers as the base would probably work fine, plus they’d be less intelligent and probably wouldn’t glitch out so much, it’s a win-win

[slim belfry]

I'd find an alternative

[opaque remnant]

Also what authority does some random low-ranking soldier from Wynn have to kill a Gavel resident with only the power of the god stopping them from doing anything else?

(I know I said Wynn and should have said Fruma but as far as anyone is concerned the player is from Wynn)

[slim belfry]

I'd say Wynn is the player's home but Fruma is the player's homeland

[hybrid gazelle]

they use fleshcrafting

but yeah I feel like

literally there os many sapience spices out there in gavel

that I fee llike there bound to be some that can be used as alternative to villager

[hybrid gazelle]

what oyu mean

also consider how recruit program work

it likely that all fruman recruits just no longer consider Fruman

because it essentially

getting kick out of your country

so it better off to just call them wynnic soldiers

but IDK that acutally sound dumb

[slim belfry]

you're a Fruman that's also a Wynnic soldier

probably as simple as that?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[candid cliff]

Btw taking Urelix pocket money is the "canon" choice right? The taproot quest takes place on a higher level & the Mayor says that Hart will hear from him

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK it up to one interpreptation

as it's does not really seem to affect the whole world that much

also that just made up scenerios by Orphion

it not actually happen

at least not player involvement part

[candid cliff]

Ig yeah

[chilly tulip]

Couldn’t we solve the robot uprising in Corkus and just have them replace the golems?

That’s probably the most ethical solution available

[hybrid gazelle]

no because that not really an issue

corkus at large dont know the factory was activate until the envoy part 2

so it not robot rebelling

it just

they go to their own thing and now exist as part of wilderness

rather than the robot actively rebeling against corkian

even then that mean corkian need to buy golems for the villagers

which is createm any issue because it not really speak corkian pride is it when you relying on other people technology

and also you got another problem of golems already srpead wide in the world which already impossible to begin with

but adding corkus in just make the situation even more crazier

[chilly tulip]

Maybe the villagers just need to get good, it’s not like they always had golems to protect themselves

[exotic yew]

consider that a villager can solo half of the hive with barehands

they definitely can get extremely strong

[hybrid gazelle]

villagers capable of defending htemselves

so most people using golems are non combatant(like no shit)

[exotic yew]

tbf gavel lacks warriors like wynn is just reasonable

when you society so advanced you can have a literal walking tanks as personal bodyguards why would you need a warrior with spears

[long wedge]

is the huge power gap between lower and higher levels an actual part of the story

[exotic yew]

or rather why would anyone hire one

[exotic yew]

elaborate

[long wedge]

higher combat level monsters and players have thousands of times more health/damage than lower level ones

[exotic yew]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

oh boy

[long wedge]

are the mobs in lutho, for example, actually that much stronger than the zombies outside ragni in the lore?

[exotic yew]

I cannot say yes

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187178877664100372/1317963219159089223/caption.gif

[exotic yew]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-lost-it-cat-gif-21849835

[hybrid gazelle]

like yeah ofc there like

"power gap" between early level player and high level player due to their skill being different

like you are not expecitng like a newbie recruit

to be strong as like

whatever the end point the player is who gather ton of experience, skill, and gears

the issue is that

you taking video game mechanic

and try to make it work into the lore

but wynncraft do not work like that

[exotic yew]

*most game

[hybrid gazelle]

this is not Solo Leveling or Sword Art Online or whatever isekai video game

the world do not work by video game mechanic

there is no levl

like nobody in Ragni gonna comaplin about they are level 1 and Detlas people is like level 10

[long wedge]

so the power difference is smaller in the story than in the game?

[hybrid gazelle]

again define power

because like

like yeah in universe

in wynncraft universe

Ragni people aint gonna one shot by like ahsmord citizens despite in the game they are huge level difference

because in universe level do not exist

so IDK what oyu mean by power difference

[sacred spindle]

what could POSSIBLY HAVE HAPPENED TO THESE DUDES

[hybrid gazelle]

creepypasta

[regal spire]

Why hasn’t Wynn done a creepypasta esc event

Haunted gaming type of Halloween event, alongside the rat plush

[eternal helm]

do we know how fruma erases memories? Like we see the method but do we know how that was learned/any other technology/items they are using to achieve their goal

Bc it can’t only just be hypnosis or smtn

[eternal helm]

?????

[candid cliff]

Well we know they are one of the strongest & most secure

they surely have their ways

Wynn people can harness stars power and stuff, what's a memory wipe

hell even villagers kinda do it (urelix)

concealing the thoughts

[eternal helm]

tbh I think Sohso has something to do with it

bc like.. he watched his brothers start to go insane.. traveled to fruma for some unknown reason

And assuming he got in.. (why tf would he be allowed in)

He had some info on the technology to help erase memories

Or like

[candid cliff]

sohso?

[eternal helm]

Use the power of the meteors they were studying that Sohso noticed made:
Yahya focus on mushrooms
Nohno focus on chickens
Kind of un related but separate meteors that made the Villagers turn into Gerts and focus on food
…
And possibly the prisoners of Fruma focus on being soldiers of Wynn

[eternal helm]

The 4th brother of the yes no maybe so quad

Yahya
Nohno
Mehme
Sohso

mentioned in a secret part after the ??? Quest

[hybrid gazelle]

We do not know

But we definitely know they have level of security with memory wiping

As we see inquisitor do jt to Tasim

So what we know is that

The border surrounding fruma is automatic

Implying whatever spell they used to cover the entire border is an automatic spell that wipe anyone memory of Fruma

Consider how corkians able to function and repopulate their own society

Imply that the border only wipe information about fruma itself and not their other memory

This kinda imply some level of advancement cause they literally capable of selective memory erasure

But there also another layor of this as we see from the inquisitor

The inquisitor not only wipe but rewrite the person intention and manipulate their will into willingly become soldier for Wynn province

Imply another level of advancement as not only theu capable of erasure but also manipulation

[eternal helm]

Yeah like imo I think Sohso brought the memory wiping thing with his study of the meteors (BUT the only things that don’t add up is the timeline a bit but wynns timeline is already kinda janky so mael lived for 300 years, and we don’t know when the brothers were born so they could be like 200 years old or smtn, other than that the fact that the Corkians just lost memories after leaving is odd but could be fit into the lore about how that could’ve happened)

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe because we should not factor sohso into

And maybe we should leave him out until further evidence

[eternal helm]

Actually when did fruma send the soldier out to ragni to say that they’d send recruits

Which tear

*year

[hybrid gazelle]

900

Therr is a program

Where fruma and Ragni have meeting about

[eternal helm]

so years 1-899 fruma didn’t send any soldiers over right?

As far as we know

[sacred spindle]

look at their faces dawg, even relogging didnt fix whatever that is

[eternal helm]

They saw the corrupter of worlds..

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[eternal helm]

When did the brothers get fired from Gavel Excavation

950?

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure it never said they got fired

But they did turn insane around 950 ap I thjnk

Let me check

[eternal helm]

“relieved of duty”

[hybrid gazelle]

Yep they gone crazy but

It never specify when they left the company to leave in their own

[eternal helm]

kk but yea the lore there was like

“We r going somewhere else for… other reasons. If ur name isn’t on this list, consider yourself permanently relived of your duties”

probably Amadel

Who wrote it

[hybrid gazelle]

Do we know when was that message send?

[eternal helm]

Not sure

[hybrid gazelle]

Then no we don’t have clear date

[eternal helm]

It’s the secret discovery under cinfras

[eternal helm]

But yea it’s just this

[eternal helm]

Vs this

R the only things that don’t add up

other than that it would make complete sense for Sohso to be the scientist that brought the memory erasing to Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

Then maybe he is not the scientist that brought the memory erasing to Fruma

Consider the memory erasure already there when corkian escape fruma which is 850 AP

[eternal helm]

yea,,,

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe it does not sound add up because it do not add up at all

Sohso does not need to be person who bring memory erasure to Fruma

Nothing so far hint that idea from what I recall

[eternal helm]

It’s speculation that can imply it

[hybrid gazelle]

Well at least you could have more evidence than counter evidence

[eternal helm]

bc he saw brothers go insane, he’s a smart scientist, he is going to fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I don’t think he is only smart person in the world

[eternal helm]

I never said it was perfect lol

[hybrid gazelle]

I can see that

Also these point jsut dubious at best it does not really telling that he is the one who bring memory erasure

There is not much motive, goal, and intention for him from what in an seeing

His goal to go to Fruma is entirely unknown therefore it kinda hard to speculate beyond that

It’s is pretty odd plot point

[eternal helm]

gotta wait till fruma!!

Ok hear me out- meteors crashed into fruma which made people lose their memory when exiting the borders, they then used this

(No actual evidence)

lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Wlel Yeha thst more like thrown away theory

But consider information we have

It seems thst the border also selective enough to figure out which individual to memory wipe as we see from the caravan

And also the fruma guards that guarding the entrance to Fruma

Implying that whatever cause this memory wipe seems to be controllable by the fruman in someway

[eternal helm]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

It can selectively choose which individual to wipe memory off

[eternal helm]

How does the caravan do that tho

[hybrid gazelle]

Implying that whatever it is can be control

[hybrid gazelle]

I am talking about the border

[eternal helm]

• how do u know the Royal Gate isn’t inside the border

like

Of where the memory wipe is

We never got informed you could get memories back

[hybrid gazelle]

Because it imply the memory wiping border range is around the mountain range

As it said corkian crossing the mountain range habe their memory wipe

Also if the gate to Fruma thst we have access to rn

Which is near corkus island

I don’t think there ever mention of the border memory wiping in the front of the gate because I feel like if that the case

Also the fruma guard mention to scare away seaskipper when he abo jt to make port there

I feel like in order to make that kind of interaction, the guards likely would have to step outside the border area

[eternal helm]

The gate is kinda in the range tho..

[hybrid gazelle]

Is it?

[eternal helm]

Cut into it yea

[hybrid gazelle]

Also we have evidence of sovereign habe diplomatic meeting with Ragni king which imply rhey step out of fruma

[eternal helm]

The furthest out you see guards (I think) is still technically inside

[eternal helm]

True

[hybrid gazelle]

As mentioned before

Seaskipper dialogue suggest that he been scare away by the guard when trying to make port there

And as picture you shown

No matter what the guard would have step far away from the gate in order to scare off seaskipper

[eternal helm]

Btw was that fruma content leak from a while back actually real lol

[hybrid gazelle]

That beyond mountain range

[eternal helm]

True that

[hybrid gazelle]

I have no idea what you talking about

So far it seems that whatever cause the memory wipe can be control by Fruman is someway

Consider how butterfly imply to have some sort of symbolic meaning in tbe story

Consider how much they appear after teaser

[eternal helm]

I’ll see if I can find it

The queen is a butterfly fr

[hybrid gazelle]

The story could be about rebirth which would be fitting if we go into the idea the rebel force and we likely seeing the rebirth of Fruma with its new political system

[eternal helm]

wait that sounds familiar lol

[regal spire]

Im hoping Sohso got into Fruma because he, inevitably, went crazy, and his obsession became humans

So he went to the capital, begged to stay, and then was shot dead at the doorstep fr

He will be an SD

[sacred spindle]

the Fresh Moves resourcepack is what did this 😭

i thought Bak'al came by on vacation

[rustic nexus]

the two cave leaks? they were but it's unknown if they are currently accurate to the content in fruma

[regal spire]

What did they look like?

[digital swan]

yeah cuz the range doesn't clear memories whar

where does it ever say thar

[eternal helm]

Corkians before Corkus left fruma

Lost memory

Went out of range of Fruma

lost memory

[digital swan]

it says that?

wait is it in like relos secret library or smth

i don't think I actually ever properly read relos secret library

[eternal helm]

Yea

A group of refugees from fruma fled, but after leaving the mountain range they lost memory of Fruma

[digital swan]

ok just reread also wtf this almost sounds like half of it is written by a Elkurn historian and half is written by a Corkian nationalist

oh wait now I understand

relos secret library has two levels doesn't it

a lower level and an upper level

and the point where the tone switches is right between the two

so maybe they are two different authors

one a wynnic history, one a corkian addendum

anyways yes refugees from fruma

ig

I always thought that the reason tasim aledar and the player only realize at the start is because they're dumbasses who don't think

because obviously you can't mention that they got their memories wiped earlier or you'd spoil Recover the Past

[candid cliff]

Of course no one will tell

gatekeepers making outsiders curious....

[vestal rivet]

can't forget about the prof leak...!

cinnabar... exists
as a mining thing

[candid cliff]

5 minutes to cut down a frumian tree

[vestal rivet]

I should still have a screenshot of it
idr if that's against the rules to post here though so I'm no gonna

[candid cliff]

dm

[vestal rivet]

yeah lemme find the screenshot

may be on my old device :/

[candid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-wallop-gnome-big-mallet-gif-12542184416097000290

rip

[vestal rivet]

wait

found it

"+ Faster Gathering [Cinnabar]"
in the mining level 111 rewards list thingy

[digital swan]

wow that's some incredible selling

they forgot to remove the Faster Gathering text

[vestal rivet]

yeah ik
it was gone the next patch, or at least they said they removed it next patch

[digital swan]

are there any others leaked

personally I hope that for wood it can be grenadilla (my favorite wood)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalbergia_melanoxylon

[regal spire]

Now that I know this, I’m kinda confused at wtf kinda wood is growing in fruma

[vestal rivet]

cyborg trees

[chilly tulip]

So I’ve been doing a new playthrough and got to Recover the Past, and got some ideas. First, Aledar was definitely part of the resistance shown in the Fruma trailer right? He’s called an insurgent and seems hesitant to involve normal citizens like Tasim before getting caught, so it at least seems likely. If this is the case, do we think that Aledars death will have some potentially impact in the Fruma storyline in that aspect?

[shut mist]

The moment tasim finds out we are a dead man

[chilly tulip]

Second, who do we think the player was in Fruma? Tasim was a normal citizen with magic, Aledar was an insurgent, so what do we think the player did? Were we like Tasim and just had our magic discovered? Were we a criminal like Caid? What do y’all think?

[chilly tulip]

I don’t think we’re a dead man, but the relationship will be damaged

[shut mist]

Tasim is gonna be real pissed

[slim belfry]

I think the player is up to our interpretation

the only thing that's a given is that "Fruma does not want us"

[chilly tulip]

Also the whole inability to access the players memories as if they don’t exist and the later soul quest in Lutho really give Deltarune vibes

[slim belfry]

I like keeping my character as a distorted reflection of me I aint going that far

[slim belfry]

the player is a vessel and the soul is that of the war beast

my source is yes

[hexed nova]

Aledar kinda died idk how to tell you this…

I don’t think Aledar could have returned to fruma since

I feel like the player bunch were just not important before the main story so

[hybrid gazelle]

“Kinda”

[unique jungle]

salted's saltree

[dim plover]

Insurgent?

[slim belfry]

maybe

[slim belfry]

the captain pursuing aledar calls him an insurgent

[dim plover]

ah

[fallow patio]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Recover_the_Past#Stage_12
You see some of Aladar and Tasim's backstory in the updated Recover the Past quest.
Aledar is called an "insurgent" by the guards but otherwise it's not explained what he did other than likely being "cursed" (possessing magic)

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think Aledar could be a cursed when he call out Tasim like that when they met

[fallow patio]

but we know Aledar is cursed because he can use magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Magic can be taught so no

Villager in 900 ap prove that magic in wynncraft can be taught

So fruman recruit that use magic after their transfer are not cursed

Cursed likely meant to refer tjose who born with talent for magic

Rather than people with magic

That is why fruma gatekeep magical knowledge

Because anyone even if they are not cursed can learn magic

If the Twain were born in fruma they would be identified as cursed

[slim belfry]

yeah I was thinking that twains are a potential good example for that

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes so far with the information given to us

Those who has talent for magic is likely to develop magical skill on their own without the need for education like what villager did for human when they first contact

So fruma roayalty would seek to them out of the picture

[regal spire]

I don’t know how important—or accurate—this is, but Aledar isn’t shown actually casting a spell until AJB

Until then, it’s just his melee, presumably. We get to see Tasim’s innate abilities in Elemental Mastery, at least

[hybrid gazelle]

It likely yhat Aledar already learn about magic and stuff or at least basic of it as elemental excercise exist

[hybrid gazelle]

So far from order of the grook

We only get mention of spieces being proficient with certain elements of elemental magic

So likely normally you can either be proficient in any element of elemental magic

Actually no Mael exist

It might be rare tho

But normally if you have talent for magic, you probably proficiency in one of the element

Rather than entire set of 5 elements

[shut hornet]

it doesn't say this, btw

[hybrid gazelle]

huh could have remember relos library has this

let me check again

ah I see I read it wrong

[shut hornet]

it says they crossed over the mountains and that they lost their memory but it doesnt specify at what stage of the process the memory loss took place

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it mention they wash ashore

in 150 years ago

do they mean from 900 AP

or 1000 AP actually

[shut hornet]

900 ap is the date that fruma started sending recruits to wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

cause I just assume from 900 AP because that the year they mention first

[shut hornet]

850 ap is when the corkians left (150 years ago)

[hybrid gazelle]

okay just making sure

so I guess correctly

[shut mist]

wait i just realised something

in ROL lari sais cinfras doesent allow elves inside

but why can olon just enter

in aldoreis secret part two

hes an elf as well

[shut hornet]

yeah its a known plot hole

[hybrid gazelle]

because ROL cant exist for 3 secs without having everything stack agiants Lari

because

reason

[shut mist]

The only reason i hate lari is because she refused to kill the parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[shut mist]

thats the only reason i hate lari

nothing else

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah man okay

[shut mist]

what

[limber swan]

i think she said they arent allowed in the library

but olon went to a different library in cinfras

not the one you go to in ROL4

so im pretty sure elves can be in cinfras just not one of the libraries

[candid cliff]

We must not kill the intruder murderer infecting & killing our lands inhabitants

Imagine if Bob just tried to talk down Bak'al

"You don't need to do this Bak'al!! There's still some humanity inside of you!!"

Also a reminder that the Parasite would've killed Lari twice without Dullahan lol

First she gets the wolverine treatment and then Dullahan takes a hit for her

[hybrid gazelle]

wow

[candid cliff]

I don't hate Lari but she is stupid

She still saved Gavel but the whole situation couldve been prevented if it was anyone else

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

[candid cliff]

Are you disagreeing

[hybrid gazelle]

wow

[serene drum]

damn

[eternal helm]

how do you think Tasim would react to telling him that Aledar was killed on a mission to kill an Eldritch horror?

[hybrid gazelle]

It probably emotional consider how they kept that for fruma story

[unborn latch]

Maybe well get to meet tasim in gavel some time

[hybrid gazelle]

That likely when they update stuff in gavel

Which not gonna happen for long time

[unborn latch]

Still dont believe fruma is real and its coming this year, its a hoax

[hybrid gazelle]

Damn fair enough

[eternal helm]

I really dont wanna see Tasim more than like twice in gavel

and i hope its earlier on

and i dont wanna see aledar more

makes the se questline more fun

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar likely appear more but there definitely time gap when you are nearing ajb

And honestly idk where Tasim could be invovle

Can’t imagine any story he can be in gavel unless they make new one

[eternal helm]

my idea kinda for how id like to see it

[candid cliff]

Wasn't he in Cinfra

[nocturne cave]

Dont think he was

[cold cove]

I remember hearing someone here suggested that he be in the Cinfras archives after Recover the Past, looking for info on Fruma, I feel like that would fit well.

[warm flicker]

if u talked to Tasim during the wynnter fest, he mentioned running into Aledar multiple times, once in the Light Forest

[chilly tulip]

Maybe Caid and Reynauld could be brought along for the Fruma quest. Caid said he had a sister, maybe we could reunite them? Reynauld would be less likely though considering his dialogue after Recover the Past. Are there any other exiled Frumans we know about?

[slim belfry]

possibly half of wynn's military forces

well idk we dont actually have a good metric to determine that

also dont get to know anyone else's backstories

[eternal helm]

I miss saving Edwin’s frozen farm

[vestal rivet]

I think it's most likely that most of Wynn's military force is Fruman legacies
as in, not Frumans themselves but descendants of Frumans

[quartz mist]

no it's a plot hole

[night shale]

How many races are there in Wynn

Are humans and villagers the strongest races currently in Wynn?

[hybrid gazelle]

Are you talking about civilization or what

Because it kinda difficult to say by spieces

[night shale]

S tier: Humans , Villagers

A tier:
Elves (can use magic use magic but their strongest chosen by light is either dead or trapped in another dimension)

Avo (they can use powerful totem magic and fly which should put them in s tier however they lost land to corkian (human) settlers who took over like half their island also they have smaller populations compared to the s tiers

B tier:
Dwarves (can use magic but don’t use magic)

C tier:
Doguns (they may have fire magic but they live in tents and got bodied by the magic adverse dwarves and they are limited to hot areas and weaken/freeze in the cold)

D tier:
Dragons (individual strong but basically almost extinct)

Olms (they deserve a sss tier due to their incredible space and time magics but they’re basically extinct which is why they have such a low rating)

F tier:
orcs (can’t use magic and live in tents)

Idk tier: (goblins)

[hybrid gazelle]

That did not

Answer the question

[night shale]

Sure

Civilization

Races with civilization

[hybrid gazelle]

Villaher because they domaint the economy

Wynn pretty much alliance with them and relying on them for trades

[night shale]

Villager

[hybrid gazelle]

They own majority of gavel

And yeah that pretty much it, they jsut have more power and theh can call in human if there are war gojng on

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they too side of a character to brought along

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think so? Unless fruma recruit send thst frequenly

Also depend on the army as well

Instead of trying to sum every Wynn city to have tbe same army

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah that like their entire ancestry

The only one that are not are villager

If you are human, your bloodline probably traced all the way to Fruma

[slim belfry]

yeah was accidentally factoring what you just said

[night shale]

I wonder if the humans of Wynn have more magic then normal since pretty much all of them are descendants of magic users exiled from fruma

[slim belfry]

every human can be traced back to Fruma but not every human originated from Corkians or recruits

[night shale]

I can’t wait for queen raid ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

They are farmer

Literally like

[night shale]

Can’t wait to jack some mythics from her

[hybrid gazelle]

The entire reason Twain are special

Is because Wynnic human at thst time unable to use magic

So no

They can’t have more magic potential

[vestal rivet]

yeah wynnic humans evidently exist

[night shale]

“More magic than normal”

[hybrid gazelle]

As I said

[night shale]

Ah

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[night shale]

So wynnic humans are bums

[hybrid gazelle]

And it never said that Wynnic people are descendent of magicl users

[night shale]

And fruma humans are chads

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma humans also the same

Due to their magic talented been cull from the population

[night shale]

So magic isn’t hereditary

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes consider Twendle

[night shale]

Agony

So it’s random

[hybrid gazelle]

Did not seems to have magic capability like his ancestor

[night shale]

Or some weird sacrifice like shamans

[hybrid gazelle]

Shamans are more third party resource in using magic

What it look like that magic in wynncraft is more like art

Everyone can learn it

But some people just happen to have natural talent for it

[night shale]

I see

So though shamanism

People can stop being bums

[hybrid gazelle]

Kinda but that depends on o. Mana relationship with magical innate

If we were to assume mana also goes along with magical innate

It likely that shamanism will help with less magical user in performing magic as they able to use third party source instead of their own mana

[slim belfry]

like what gawrick studied?

he studied how humans have their own mana source while other creatures have to use another

[chilly tulip]

Is the Mining Operation secret discovery the first hint towards the SE?

[dim plover]

Huh?

Wdym first hint towards SE

Oh wait you mean that TNT wall in the Abandoned Mines area

Yeah I guess so

[vestal rivet]

it can be done at lvl 5 iirc
hard to beat that

[hybrid gazelle]

Not spifically human

But how magic as a whole work

It’s universal law that in order to use magic

There must be a cost on exchange

Trying to break this law habe great consequences

[slim belfry]

the law of equivalent exchange one might say

so why can humans use magic at no cost then

or at the very least in some cases if not every

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think that ever mention

And you should be assuming they use their own mana

Mana is the traditional cost of using magic

[slim belfry]

ohhh

I misunderstood that then

so he tried to explore a literal no cost

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure he tried to explore how to harness nature

Which is probably what shamanism is

[slim belfry]

OH

that makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

Actually I read it again

Yeah idk why humans being use here

I have no idea

But t would be mana consider how they talk about in the next message

Idk why humans being use consider this feel like they talking about how magic as a whole work

Like it’s Schrödinger writing
You don’t know if this is intentional or the writer’s mistake cause the use of human is so weird like

Why human specifically?

Is human only the case for this if then that odd Becuase villager bring magical knowledge to human

Implying they know and use magic

So why is the research specifically mention human as if villager do not do the same

Like if we take this writing to literal it imply human seems to be only one who has mana while other spieces need something else to do magic

Which is odd world holding

But whatever I guess

Also thst even more odd because the writing seem like he put into question if nature can be harness

Imply that it not the usual way

So wtf other spieces been using for fucking magic

So yeah just better off assuming every spieces does this cause idk what else

[limber swan]

huh?

i just explained why it isnt

[quartz mist]

your conjecture is just, like, objectively incorrect though.

she was disallowed in the city

not just the library

[hybrid gazelle]

Villagers are le problemawtic media???

https://tenor.com/view/garten-of-banban-banban-banban-sad-banban-cry-horror-skunx-gif-13163901094042201155

[slim belfry]

me when I did the secret discoveries and my distaste for villagers ever growing stronger

[drifting aurora]

i think this is just a mistake

[hybrid gazelle]

okay that awesome

[quartz mist]

I guess I must've missed some of the old dialogue when fallen delivery got messed with

[hybrid gazelle]

This is just my guess but are you trying to find the right word for general sapient spieces?

[candid cliff]

Yeah

They mined literally every single emerald they could find in Gavel

[candid cliff]

3rd dialogue is about light, yeah

[candid cliff]

That'd be good, especially since he said he'd like to learn more about it

[hybrid gazelle]

why would he be in Cinfras archieve